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Sergey Zhirnov is on our air Sergey

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Greetings Hello Ilya and Hello to all

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our

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viewers Yes, very glad to see Well, I wanted to

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generally dedicate our

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conversation today to what is happening in the

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Middle East. Discuss everything around this

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accordingly, especially the

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number of

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different events here. Well, I want to start With such a

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geopolitical topic, there have been

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reports from Lumberg, who writes that the United States and

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Israel are currently studying

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options for the future of the Gaza Strip

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after Hamas is destroyed,

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and it seems like there are three scenarios on the table, the

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first involves

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establishing temporary control over

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gas and the countries of the region with the support of

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troops USA Great Britain Germany is just

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like this In general, post-war

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Germany, the second option is the creation of

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many national

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peacekeeping forces and there is already a model

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there in the Sinai Peninsula there are such

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multinational forces Well, here is some

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analogue of this or they will simply be

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expanded, that is, they will be introduced into the

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Gaza Strip well,

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or manage the Gaza Strip under a

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UN mandate Well, that’s

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what you think Yes, that means Are

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these options possible? Isn’t

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such talk premature and can

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this escalation somehow end in this way

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because in reality Where should we

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draw the line between Hamas

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and a certain part of the peaceful of the population of

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the sector

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with

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the right, you know, this is the most important

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problem, and we need to start

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our conversation with this, because this is a huge

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problem,

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by the way, this situation is completely different

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from the situation in

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Ukraine. Because in Ukraine there is a front and in

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this sense, it is easier for Ukraine because

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when the

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front is on the other side of the front line

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there is an enemy There are people The

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armed forces of the enemy’s country And who

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you didn’t kill at the front on that

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front line there are no problems here

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except if it is done with

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particular cruelty then it falls

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under the restriction of the Geneva conventions on the

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conduct of war in the gas sector is all

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wrong, this is precisely the most important

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problem because Hamas

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is certainly, firstly, a terrorist

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organization, but Russia, for example, does not

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recognize it as a terrorist

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organization, there are several other countries

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that do not recognize it as a

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terrorist organization Hamas

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has ruled this territory for 17 years, that

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is, when Israel in 2005

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withdrew from this territory completely

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unilaterally, elections were held there

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in 2006 and Hamas won in these elections, and

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in

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general, in

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my opinion,

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no one disputed the holding of the elections itself, that is, they talked about the fact

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that it was even generally

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democratic, a kind of non-democratic

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procedure, and now the Democratic

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procedure is won by an openly

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terrorist organization whose

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task is not to govern the territories but to

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destroy Israel as a state.

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And in this regard, it seems to me in general

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that this crisis basically

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happened before all because the

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Israelis relaxed,

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they

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relied on the

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economic interests of their

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territory and themselves, and they, in my opinion,

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fell asleep and forgot that the most important goals

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of Hamas are the destruction of Israel And that

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just as they were a terrorist

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organization, they remain one. So,

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of course, you absolutely correctly called the

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internal problem of this territory is that

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How to separate How to separate these

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Hamas militants from the other two more than 2

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million Palestinians who lived in the

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Gaza Strip And the most united

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territory is the most densely populated

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territory they say even on earth Well, I

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really doubt it a little, in my opinion there are

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cities where it is denser population

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lives But at least there I am completely

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overcrowded. And the most important thing is that

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Hamas has done nothing in these 17 years

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to

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make this territory autonomous

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economically. There is no economy at

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all, they live simply on

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handouts from the European Union of the

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Palestinian diaspora.

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maybe the Arab countries

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and the situation there was generally frozen,

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plus Hamas basically took all this money for itself

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and used it for its

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own enrichment, plus for the

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purchase of weapons, ammunition for training

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its militants and, as a residual,

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for refugee camps and those who

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lived in the Gaza strip, implying that

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they need to be kept in poverty because

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it was then that they would be ready to

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give up their sons and their

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grandsons as Hamas militants,

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and it’s very difficult to stop this situation, it’s

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very difficult because plus

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means in the Gaza strip

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Almost a generation has grown up that did not know

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anything except this Hamas rule

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because 17 years. This is in general. Well,

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considering that in this territory 60% of

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the population, 65% of the population are young people

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under the age of 20, that is, in general, they did

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not know anything else saw nothing

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else and Frankly speaking, you

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named these

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three ways of managing the territory, it

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seems to me that all of them can be

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considered, naturally they will be

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considered, but notice in none

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of these sentences you did not indicate

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the Palestinians, you did not indicate the Arab

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countries, yes, that is, either these are Western

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countries and then they will talk about

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occupation then they will talk about you

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correctly said Germany post-war

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Germany this year Japan after

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1945 when the

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victorious countries control this

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territory but Hamas has not yet been

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defeated by anyone and in the territory of the Gaza Strip

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there is no feeling that was in

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post-war Germany because that

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post-war Germany still had a

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feeling of a real Victory of the countries of the Western

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coalition and the Soviet Union over

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Nazi Germany, so far

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there is no such thing in the gas sector. And in my opinion,

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I think that in general the first sentence is

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where the countries of the Western coalition will,

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as it were, observe I think that this is the most

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unfavorable offer because the

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Arab world will not accept it. Palestine will not accept it.

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Yes, because it’s clearly

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completely there. It will be very

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easy to blame it on this means that

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these are occupiers, that this is an occupation there, and

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so on, and it’s very easy then build on this

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Antilles Anti-

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Western Propaganda to oppose

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such a decision. The last proposal,

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governance of this territory under the

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supervision of the

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UN, from my point of view seems to

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look like the most attractive

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because the international organization There

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and so on is actually the most

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ineffective because of the

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evidence its post-war that it is a

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completely ineffective organization that

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it squanders funds and in particular,

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by the way, here and on the

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Palestinian CM drunk on your

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channel when he cited numbers and

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specific names that there is such a

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Palestinian fund that this fund almost

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eats up almost half of the UN funds

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which are generally allocated for some kind of

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humanitarian programs and managing the background there, a completely

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corrupt person

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spends this money, including on his

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mistress, some

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Palestinian actresses and the like, that is, in

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fact, it seems to me

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that the UN has ceased to be such a

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guarantee of quality or guarantees

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of Independence, and even more so guarantees

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that for a very very long time, a very long time ago,

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there is generally a big

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problem with efficiency. Well, speaking of those,

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can I ask this

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professional question? I’m really

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interested in this, I’m not in terms of a show, but that

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is, but this

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means this quite a serious topic

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Well, this is how it is structured now. So

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this whole Palestinian life is in Israel. So

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there is one territory that is under

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the control of Fatah, which is the

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heir to the Palestine Liberation Organization,

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controls the West Bank,

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the other part is Hamas and controls

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Gaza. Well, as you rightly

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noted, this happened after the very first

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free elections that took place in this

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territory, in my opinion, were in 2006, and when

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did this happen? I

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remember very well how

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it happened, that we then fought the scientific research institutes at the

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meeting. So I personally

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told this Deputy Secretary of State,

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who was then the representative for to the

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Middle East and that we are going

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to hold elections right now, I say, you understand how these

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elections will end, they say Well, how the phat

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will win, he says of course it’s clear I

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say

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Achi with

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s

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Well, as if there were a number of reasons for that, because

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that’s exactly what the Armed Forces looked like from the point of

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view of citizens So Fatah means

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allowing a corrupt structure,

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but Hamas means for the people there, well, it

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turned out that Hamas won and then they

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just divided this territory, which means

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because in the West Bank

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Hamas’s advantage was uncertain and

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it was possible to keep it in the first

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place, if we initially say both here and there

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there the

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roots were strongly connected with intelligence,

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which means the organization for the liberation of

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Palestine. Well, that is, it was there that the

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Soviet Union developed in full, and

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Hamas was actually

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created by

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the Israelis with the support of the Americans

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as an alternative to this very

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organization for the liberation of Palestine, more

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specifically more radical, in order to

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drag there, accordingly, the most

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radical youth who supported the PLO, and

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then it would have been possible to crush it; by the

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way, it didn’t work out, but nevertheless,

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boorish people were created on the other side. This is

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how it

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turns out that such

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organizations completely go out of

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control and become systemic

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opponents of the regime or there is

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some kind of then the additional

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horse is already the mechanism that you described,

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it is already enough to understand

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How it was done and this was

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not the first time the same problem was in

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Afghanistan When the Americans

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created Bin Laden through [ __ ] and when Bin Laden

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Then came out completely from under their

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control and This is not the first time there

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were the same things. Things in Pakistan were the same. Things

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in Africa. That is, in principle, this is an

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outdated model, this is a model of the 20th century

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when this was the second half of the 10th century

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when the intelligence services believed that they could

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manipulate some

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movements by the way The KGB tried to

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do the same with all the terrorists

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around the world. Yes, it financed and

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trained militants on its

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territory, including, by the way, militants of the

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Ulp

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and other other movements. But the

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Palestinians were received in particular by the 165

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training center near Simferopol, 21

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km from Simferopol along - in my opinion, in

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1981 or eight military years, I accepted a

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Palestinian recruit right here, which means they were

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trained as terrorists, which means they were taught to

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blow up, they were taught to blow up roads,

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lay mines, arrange

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shootouts there, and so on. That is, in

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fact, the KGB openly took part in

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this matter, well, by the way, we there are

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documents declassified by the KGB special

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parks folders of the KGB and the Politburo where me

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specifically the KGB signed by Andropov and

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then his followers reported to the

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Central Committee and the Politburo what

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proposals specifically what weapons to

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transfer How to transfer But then

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some formalities were still observed in the

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sense that the ears The KGB didn’t stick very closely

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behind this case, that is, they passed it on through

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such espionage methods. And when there is an impersonal

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impersonal transfer and so on, but we

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understand, of course, that the Soviet Union

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generally had a huge hand in

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educating all this

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terrorist orientation of the

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OLP and Well, this did not happen right away Yes,

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because that at the same time We Remind

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our viewers that in the forty-seventh year, if

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Israel appeared at all in a UN resolution

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and then as a state, it was

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thanks to Stalin because Stalin

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then

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supported it, by the way, it surprised everyone then it

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surprised everyone in the first place. By the way, the

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Zionist movement was surprised because they did

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not they expected that Stalin would support. They

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thought that Stalin would be against it. Well, the

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explanation is simply that in Moscow they

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thought that they would control what, and that’s where

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all the people from the

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Union would control it, and on the

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other hand, they believed that the

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movement at that time was leftist and that

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it would be Well, by the way They were the

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Zionists then fighting with England with

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Great Britain, which

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after all the general situation would have accumulated and Stalin

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was sure that they were so about the Soviet

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Anti-capitalist

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anti-smell of the years, which means when the entire

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Arab world And by the way, here we go again

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We remind all our viewers of this

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Paradox that exists for years when

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voted 29 November

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will soon be the next anniversary of the forty-seventh

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year, the resolution on the creation of two

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states on the territory controlled

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by the mandate of the United

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Nations Organization of Palestine, the Israelis and the

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Zionists agreed with this And all the

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Arab states opposed

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all the Arab states and then all the

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Arab states purposefully

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inserted for many decades in the

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detriment of the creation of a Palestinian

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state and And if a Palestinian

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state appeared on the map, then

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first of all it is not Israel, not

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America, not the United States that should be blamed, but first of all the Arab world

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and the Soviet Union, which supported the

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Arab world, so in general this is an

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accumulated problem And I think so that

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the problem is precisely that this is

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when

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so many problems have accumulated, plus As you correctly

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said, when there are rival

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groups, it is not known which of them is there.

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What influences both corrupt ones: one

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pain is

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relatively decent, the other is completely

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terrorist, but it is clear that they are not

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interested In

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fact, the fate of the the Palestinian people

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because we understand that Hamas,

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which carried out a massacre and pogrom

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in Israel on October 7, he understood that there would be a response, but

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he absolutely did not give a damn about

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this response and he Well, I don’t know what they were

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hoping for, but in general it

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was It’s quite easy for me

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to plan that Israel, of course, will not

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leave this unanswered. Maybe they

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thought that they would not dare to start a big

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operation because, after all, they are

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mixed there with the civilian population. But in

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general, I have little faith in this matter and that’s why the

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people who arranged it for them in the first place

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absolutely don’t give a damn about the fate of those

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Palestinians

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who are in this territory. So

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I think that by the way they will

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oppose the peaceful

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resolution of this problem. There is

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one more thing that is not obvious on the

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surface, but which, in my opinion,

00:18:01

should not be excluded because it seems to me that

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there is there is also an economic interest that is

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not connected with the region in any way and

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that generally comes from China

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because you know. This is such a

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conspiracy theory, and such an economic

00:18:18

conspiracy theory that I propose to you to

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discuss. It means that

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China recently held a

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third forum in China. This means one

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belt, one road. Where

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the representatives of 130 countries came, we understand that this is the

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road from China to the Greeks. Well, relatively

00:18:35

speaking, yes to Europe to the

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West, which was supposed to go in

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three directions, then they abandoned the

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Russian from the Northern direction

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and now there are two directions left:

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Central Asian and South Asian,

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which means in New Delhi US President Biden

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proposed to India India agreed to

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make another alternative route from

00:19:04

Asia to Europe through Saudi Arabia

00:19:07

Jordan and Israel and

00:19:10

Israel We know they were preparing to

00:19:13

sign the Abraham Accord with the

00:19:17

normalization of relations with Saudi Arabia

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and then there was a huge

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economic project for Mary and India

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ide from Iran could well influence

00:19:31

Hamas in order to disrupt all this

00:19:33

[ __ ] and at least disrupt the

00:19:35

agreement on the normalization of

00:19:37

relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia,

00:19:40

here, in my opinion, this is quite transparently

00:19:42

visible because Iran is an enemy of Saudi

00:19:45

Arabia And despite the fact that China seems to be their

00:19:46

reconciled last year, which by the way

00:19:49

was given credit to him, it was said. Can

00:19:51

you imagine, Shiites and Sunnis

00:19:53

sat down for the first time at the same

00:19:55

negotiating table and, thanks to Chinese

00:19:57

friends, signed an agreement that

00:20:00

they would remove mutual

00:20:02

religious claims and from now on will be friends

00:20:05

Forever What I Frankly speaking,

00:20:07

I didn’t believe it for a second. Because if

00:20:09

you look at the entire history of the relationship between

00:20:11

Shiites and Sunnis, by the way, they

00:20:14

fought with each other much more than with

00:20:16

external enemies, they see each other

00:20:18

much more war Iraq Iran 10 years, a

00:20:21

million more than a million dead, and so

00:20:24

on That is, there

00:20:27

history Well,

00:20:30

absolutely Well, I don’t know, the question here is

00:20:33

more about what if there are

00:20:36

some really objective

00:20:38

levers for this. It’s precisely on all these

00:20:40

internal

00:20:41

contradictions of the Arab world that I don’t really

00:20:44

see leverage in China, but I

00:20:47

see much more of it in Russia. and in

00:20:52

this regard, the last one to finish this

00:20:54

geopolitical topic is not very much, but I

00:20:58

wanted to discuss two more aspects of everything that is

00:21:01

happening,

00:21:03

which means how much do you yourself

00:21:07

believe that the Kremlin’s connection with Iran

00:21:13

could push Hamas to act

00:21:16

now because, after all, there are

00:21:18

contradictions between Sunnis and Shiites have

00:21:21

quite a great relationship with Hamas, it is

00:21:24

a mistake to assume that these are friends, these are not

00:21:27

friends. These are sworn friends,

00:21:30

these are rivals, competitors, of course, with

00:21:32

coordination with each other, but

00:21:35

nevertheless this is far from being an equal sign.

00:21:39

Hamas most likely has the best relationship with

00:21:42

Kator here is a boat in this

00:21:45

case, a player

00:21:46

in the Middle East, there are difficulties in

00:21:49

relations with the Emirates and with Saudi

00:21:52

Arabia, just who is who with Iran and

00:21:54

who is against Iran Well, that is, such a tangle,

00:21:57

yes, that is, it is very

00:21:59

tight, and in this situation Moscow Well,

00:22:01

just if you look from the point of view of

00:22:04

cold cynicism, then the beneficiary in

00:22:07

this whole story is visually I see only

00:22:10

two players, I see Putin,

00:22:13

respectively, who is distracting

00:22:16

attention. Here, Ukraine received an increase in

00:22:18

oil prices there, which also means that it helped him there,

00:22:22

and so on, and I see in fact, the

00:22:26

Israeli ore

00:22:29

who pursued all these things

00:22:30

related to judicial reform there and so

00:22:32

on, and then there was a consolidation of the nation

00:22:35

Yes, against the backdrop of a military threat, well, it’s not clear

00:22:37

how long it will last there,

00:22:39

most likely then Netanyahu will still be

00:22:41

billed, but that will be later Yes, but

00:22:44

now there is some kind of unity there. But

00:22:48

these connections, how much

00:22:51

do they work at all

00:22:54

and who benefits from the World Cup, the meaning of

00:22:56

what happened in general,

00:22:59

I agree with you that Russia is

00:23:01

the beneficiary, but I don’t think that Russia has

00:23:07

enough vile people in Russia, but there are

00:23:10

smart ones to organize such these

00:23:14

are very big compliments because it

00:23:17

seems to me that if we look at how

00:23:19

Putin has been waging a war in Ukraine for 2 years, then in

00:23:22

general there is no

00:23:24

strategic plan visible here, it is not visible, that is, it was

00:23:26

done on the knee, all this

00:23:28

was done and continues to be done on the

00:23:30

knee and in general I don’t think that

00:23:33

suddenly in this particular

00:23:36

direction there will be some very

00:23:39

smart, very vile person who

00:23:40

conceived this whole thing. Such an enema plan.

00:23:46

But on the other hand, I agree with you

00:23:48

that of course he receives dividends from this,

00:23:50

and in this Frankly speaking, I was even

00:23:54

a little surprised because Putin

00:23:57

seemed smarter to me geopolitically because

00:24:00

he never took on such

00:24:03

direct responsibility for some

00:24:05

kind of bad

00:24:07

international activity, he

00:24:10

always left, he always said we are

00:24:12

not there, there we are not here Wagner,

00:24:15

by the way, was created for this so

00:24:17

that one could say that

00:24:18

no, this is not the Russian Federation, this is just

00:24:20

some private individuals creating a mess

00:24:23

at the international international level

00:24:25

and the Russian Federation has nothing to do with this

00:24:28

T know lately and with North

00:24:31

Korea it means he starts kissing, which

00:24:33

by the way is under sanctions from the Council and the

00:24:36

General Assembly of the

00:24:37

United Nations, which by the way

00:24:40

Russia voted many times. And with

00:24:43

Hamas,

00:24:44

which in general is also an outcast, yes.

00:24:48

And this was quite surprising for me,

00:24:51

but I think that

00:24:53

Putin did not stir things up water himself personally, that is,

00:24:56

this one is

00:24:58

from Gru not from the Kremlin, it just

00:25:01

happened that way, I think that after all, it’s

00:25:02

more Iran itself, but Iran is just And

00:25:07

by the way, you’re right because Iran, after all,

00:25:09

its tool is Hezbollah and it’s in the

00:25:12

north and it’s in In Lebanon, in general, strictly

00:25:14

speaking, yes, in Syria, but Hamas, actually,

00:25:18

he is Sunis, and actually, of course, there, the Sunis

00:25:21

monarchies are more behind him. But it

00:25:24

so happened that someone

00:25:26

pushed them and the beneficiary of course is the Russian

00:25:29

Federation, because of course the whole world is

00:25:31

now watching to the Middle East instead of

00:25:33

looking at

00:25:36

Ukraine Well, yes, it’s probably hard to argue with that.

00:25:39

Well, let’s move on to another topic.

00:25:44

I would like to briefly

00:25:46

touch on the public mood in

00:25:49

Europe. Before moving on to the topic of

00:25:51

Jewish pogroms in

00:25:52

Russia, because Europe is somehow also

00:25:56

very much in trouble. far from this we must

00:25:58

say directly And just

00:26:03

now the German edition of the Bild came out with an

00:26:08

article that claims to

00:26:11

be almost a manifesto

00:26:13

Germany we have a problem, here it is

00:26:15

called Yes, here we show it on the screen

00:26:19

and the reason for this

00:26:23

article was about the Palestinian actions

00:26:28

that took place in Germany

00:26:31

recently and many of them simply

00:26:32

ended in direct

00:26:34

riots and those same

00:26:37

manifestations of anti-Semitism, and in the end

00:26:40

the newspaper writes Here is such a 50-

00:26:43

point manifesto in which they try to

00:26:45

formulate the rules of behavior and

00:26:48

values of German society, they

00:26:51

bothered to publish this manifesto

00:26:54

in five languages in German English

00:26:57

Turkish and attention to Russian yes, that

00:27:01

is, accordingly, that also probably

00:27:05

says a lot. Well, the bill emphasizes

00:27:09

that, taking into account the darker pages of the history of the

00:27:14

German people, the security of Israel

00:27:16

for Germany is one of the

00:27:20

state-forming ideas and that protecting

00:27:23

the security of the Jewish people is precisely

00:27:25

for Germany cannot be a

00:27:28

subject of bargaining. Although, of course, criticizing

00:27:31

Poly’s

00:27:32

position and Israeli policy is

00:27:36

quite acceptable. Well, what’s

00:27:39

happening in Western society is that

00:27:43

someone says that this

00:27:46

means historically existing

00:27:49

anti-Semitism, just like this.

00:27:52

Hatred of the

00:27:53

Jews as a nation as a people. Here it is

00:27:56

being revived in this form of

00:27:58

RNU in modern means

00:28:02

politically correct some kind of shell But in

00:28:05

fact this is anti-Semitism, someone

00:28:08

says the opposite, that is, that society

00:28:11

has learned to divide not

00:28:14

only according to the principle of its own, but

00:28:17

of course, Jews in theory, and that is,

00:28:20

a bowl of religion and so on should be

00:28:25

much closer for Europeans

00:28:29

than many of the Arab countries which are there

00:28:32

not on a religious principle but simply

00:28:34

which are in the stage of feudalism

00:28:37

yes Well, nevertheless, how do you

00:28:41

explain this And in general how much does it come from

00:28:43

below Or it may also be here there are

00:28:46

special security services showdowns take place in this,

00:28:49

you know, I least of all

00:28:52

see here the special services, some kind of ears and

00:28:55

showdowns between the special services. I think

00:28:58

it’s more about history and

00:29:00

sociology and

00:29:04

shortcomings, and let’s just say what I

00:29:08

told you that the Israelis when

00:29:10

they were attacked Hamas, roughly speaking, they were not ready

00:29:13

for this. By the way, the Israeli intelligence services

00:29:15

were not ready for this, or let’s

00:29:17

say the Israeli intelligence services

00:29:19

reported that the political

00:29:21

leadership did not want to see or did not

00:29:23

want to take any

00:29:25

steps that were

00:29:27

suggested to them. I have the impression

00:29:30

that in In Europe, we lived 60

00:29:34

years of a calm, more or less calm

00:29:38

existence, when in general everyone forgot

00:29:40

about the war and

00:29:42

the war itself, as a fact, left the

00:29:45

European continent altogether. That is, it

00:29:47

only returned from Yugoslavia and then from

00:29:49

Yugoslavia says Well, it’s a small

00:29:51

country But it’s clear that They have

00:29:56

some kind of nationalistic religious problems there But this is a local

00:29:58

conflict, it’s very fast in

00:30:03

Zambia In general, unresolved things

00:30:06

remain there, but globally for the continent It

00:30:08

seems that supposedly does not pose any

00:30:10

danger Europe has already forgotten that there is

00:30:13

such a thing, a classic war, everyone

00:30:15

has become destroyed, everyone has become store your

00:30:18

tanks, give them somewhere to the side, so

00:30:20

everyone began to reduce the armed forces

00:30:24

on the one hand and on the other. It

00:30:26

seems to me that at that stage everyone thought that the

00:30:29

Second World War and the Nazi war meant the

00:30:32

existence of a history of Nazism in Europe and

00:30:36

fascism in Italy and fascism in Spain and

00:30:40

Portugal Well, let's put it this way, the variants of

00:30:42

fascism. Yes, they made enough vaccination so

00:30:46

that once and for all in Europe the

00:30:49

danger of such a

00:30:51

thing happening again disappeared and in my opinion people began to

00:30:56

underestimate, including the leadership and

00:30:58

political parties. And in general, society

00:31:02

underestimates the thing that every

00:31:04

generation should receive their vaccination,

00:31:06

and it seems to me that when three generations have grown up

00:31:09

without vaccination, the third

00:31:11

generation is post-war or there is a fourth

00:31:13

generation without vaccination on their own skin,

00:31:17

so to speak. Well, just in schools. Of

00:31:19

course, they are told what we need to

00:31:21

do. Yes, the Germans lead them there,

00:31:24

of course, all of them they take everyone from elementary school

00:31:27

to the concentration camps, they are all

00:31:29

shown the story, they tell the story of the

00:31:31

shul. And in Germany, by the way, Germany,

00:31:34

among all European countries, is the

00:31:37

most decent country that

00:31:40

has a national Awareness of

00:31:42

its own guilt, and this is a people who,

00:31:46

on the contrary, is a paradoxical thing

00:31:49

but that’s why Germany doesn’t want to

00:31:51

help Ukraine armed,

00:31:54

because just seeing a German tank

00:31:57

on Ukrainian territory for most

00:31:59

Germans,

00:32:02

visually, is a completely terrible thing

00:32:04

that simply doesn’t fit into their

00:32:06

consciousness. These are people who don’t know

00:32:08

Germany, they can’t understand it So,

00:32:12

on the one hand, this is a vaccination that

00:32:15

suddenly we now understand. Well, in

00:32:18

fact, so to speak, experts on

00:32:21

this issue already understood earlier that

00:32:24

we need to return to vaccinations again.

00:32:27

But apparently they didn’t have time to do it

00:32:30

correctly, plus hidden anti-Semitism is

00:32:33

generally latent anti-Semitism

00:32:35

is present everywhere everywhere, alas, this is

00:32:39

a problem of humanity for 2 millennia,

00:32:42

that’s how many Jews exist there

00:32:44

will be anti-Semitism Wherever it is,

00:32:46

of course, the level of this anti-Semitism is

00:32:48

different, somewhere it is heated up, somewhere it

00:32:51

is not heated up, we know that a

00:32:53

study was recently published about

00:32:55

eastern countries and that the highest

00:32:58

level of anti-Semitism, as it turned out, is in

00:33:00

Armenia, and there, uh, almost the lowest

00:33:04

And in Armenia Yes, you know, so I

00:33:08

mean, there was such a study. Then it

00:33:11

means in Lithuania. By the way, I thought that

00:33:15

they themselves were such Caucasian Jews.

00:33:17

Well, how can there be anti-Semitism in

00:33:19

Armenia in general, by the way,

00:33:23

ordinary human logic does

00:33:25

not work in this matter at all.

00:33:27

That is, this is generally a Jewish question, it is

00:33:30

absolutely not logical, this is a thing

00:33:33

above logic and these are purely emotional

00:33:36

things, it is very difficult to explain it logically and

00:33:38

rationally. Yes, why everyone

00:33:41

begins to look for Jews and unite

00:33:44

Jews in their sins in their problems.

00:33:47

Well, it just happened this way and this is

00:33:50

such a thing that, alas, is returning

00:33:53

now, and plus we understand that there are, in

00:33:56

general,

00:33:57

and even neo-Nazi parties that are

00:34:00

being revived in Western Europe

00:34:03

lately, they are quite

00:34:05

popular in many countries of Western

00:34:07

Europe, starting there from Greece and ending with

00:34:09

Norway, and Sweden, that’s where. In general,

00:34:15

such an

00:34:17

anti-Semitic discourse is present, if not explicitly,

00:34:20

then latently, and plus we understand

00:34:23

that many countries will allow France and

00:34:26

Germany

00:34:27

to solve their economic problems

00:34:30

when They had a very rapid

00:34:32

development, they just didn’t have enough labor,

00:34:35

they took advantage of the simplest option

00:34:37

Germany brought the Turks, the French brought

00:34:40

Arabs from North Africa and the

00:34:43

black population from Africa and

00:34:45

thus created huge diasporas for themselves that were

00:34:48

not built in, which they

00:34:50

tried to somehow assimilate there in the

00:34:53

fifties and sixties in the

00:34:55

seventies, in fact, nothing

00:34:57

worked there, but it

00:34:58

was easy for them to assimilate economically; it was decent for them

00:35:00

to live in developed Europe. And as soon as

00:35:03

economic problems arose at the turn of the

00:35:05

seventies and eighties,

00:35:07

unemployment began here too.

00:35:14

a population that,

00:35:16

in general, brought with it its own problems

00:35:19

and its own anti-Semitism, which is

00:35:21

also colored by the attitude towards Israel as

00:35:24

a state that does not allow the poor

00:35:27

unfortunate Palestinians there to have their

00:35:30

own state, although we have already

00:35:33

said that mainly Arab countries

00:35:35

prevented the Palestinians from getting theirs your

00:35:38

state, then this whole whole huge

00:35:40

mess that was born in Western Europe,

00:35:42

it sprouted such shoots

00:35:46

and so on. Now any

00:35:50

reason is enough, that is,

00:35:51

any reason in the Middle East is always enough

00:35:54

for this latent antis to become,

00:35:57

enter the active phase and now we

00:36:00

see it and plus, you know, there is still

00:36:03

one problem left. This is where I will conclude

00:36:06

my thought: when the

00:36:10

Communist world collapsed in the

00:36:12

ninety-first year, but in Germany in the

00:36:13

ninth year, when the Berlin Wall fell

00:36:17

and the Unification of Germany began, it

00:36:19

seems to me that Europe non-work in terms of

00:36:23

condemning the Communist ideology and

00:36:26

not doing what was done in relation

00:36:28

to Nazism, that is, on Nazism,

00:36:30

work on the mistakes was done. It was

00:36:32

carried out, but in the post-Communist era it

00:36:36

remained that in general Communism is this This is

00:36:38

good This is good This is great the left

00:36:41

Parties exist everywhere there, even

00:36:44

socialists in many countries were the

00:36:46

ruling parties and still remain in

00:36:48

Spain now at this moment there and in

00:36:51

several other countries. So the

00:36:53

socialists and all the leftists, by the way,

00:36:57

lead them, which means they have such a

00:37:00

historical cart when they support the

00:37:03

just struggle of the Palestinian people

00:37:06

against

00:37:07

means the unjust occupation

00:37:10

by the Israelis, supported

00:37:12

naturally by the United States of America

00:37:14

and the capitalist West, and then there is

00:37:17

this Rift, communism, capitalism,

00:37:19

which cannot be

00:37:23

achieved by the West. And this is this And this is all

00:37:28

this whole tangle When you

00:37:30

bring it together, here we get the

00:37:32

situation that we get

00:37:35

now Well, yes, it’s hard to argue here, and of

00:37:39

course, for me, as a person

00:37:40

with left-wing views, that is, the position of

00:37:43

many international left-wing organizations

00:37:45

is a big pain. Yes, because they

00:37:48

confuse the

00:37:50

struggle with imperialism,

00:37:53

national liberation movements. And once again

00:37:55

I will say there is banal anti-Semitism.

00:37:59

in the end, they become accomplices of everything

00:38:02

that they themselves oppose. Yes,

00:38:04

there is nationalism, chauvinism, xenophobia, and

00:38:08

so on. Well, I propose to move on to

00:38:11

our last block of questions. This is what

00:38:13

happened in this regard in Russia.

00:38:15

Moreover, you even mentioned

00:38:18

such words as vaccination there that is,

00:38:21

regarding the euro, here I am Tae, that the

00:38:24

grafting inside

00:38:25

Russia is the opposite side, that is, not

00:38:28

what it means, as if there was

00:38:31

less of this, but as if there was

00:38:33

more of this, I will say that I have been waiting for a long time when

00:38:37

something like this should

00:38:40

break out

00:38:41

in Russia, in fact, in this way the

00:38:46

Soviet Union once disintegrated.

00:38:48

First there was

00:38:50

this

00:38:52

Sumgait Fergana, that is. Then it means it

00:38:55

was only there Tbilisi

00:38:58

- Then it means the Baltic countries are already there,

00:39:01

yes, that is, well, it started with precisely

00:39:04

such religious and national

00:39:07

contradictions. Well, here you go,

00:39:09

accordingly, Dagestan There a

00:39:12

full-fledged pogrom today, even the

00:39:14

Americans said about it that they

00:39:16

consider it the same pogrom as

00:39:18

what happened

00:39:20

there 120 years ago in the Russian

00:39:25

Empire.

00:39:27

Well, we see the footage of it now on

00:39:30

the screen Ramzan Kadyrov reacted to what was

00:39:34

happening in Dagestan Although in general

00:39:36

there were all the signs that in Chechnya

00:39:38

exactly the same thing was happening as in

00:39:40

other

00:39:42

republics of the North Caucasus, by the way, there it

00:39:45

was in Nalchik and in Cherkessk, that

00:39:48

means, and so on, so Kadyrov said

00:39:50

that he was ordered to

00:39:55

do an air strike and the fourth one in the forehead of

00:39:58

the protester Yes, if something similar

00:40:00

will happen in Chechnya,

00:40:04

but opposite there, the mufti of

00:40:08

Tatarstan said that it is necessary to

00:40:11

show leniency towards

00:40:14

the protesters. Well, that is, to come to

00:40:16

an understanding since they

00:40:18

were provoked, I quote external forces. Well, actually,

00:40:21

Putin says the same thing

00:40:23

that this is a provocation of external

00:40:26

I’m even pointing my finger here, sitting in front of you is

00:40:28

this very external force which,

00:40:30

according to the Kremlin, means provoked everything

00:40:32

that happened there,

00:40:36

but now today another message has been released

00:40:39

by analysts from the Institute for the

00:40:42

Study of War, who say

00:40:45

that it looks like

00:40:49

Russian officials already need seriously about worrying about the

00:40:52

loss of control over peripheral

00:40:57

gi and it is clear that the Kremlin is going to

00:40:59

quickly release this whole story on the brakes, then the

00:41:02

statements are all very loud but they are clearly

00:41:04

for the press and international. But in

00:41:06

fact, there are administrative arrests and

00:41:10

people are being released there, especially in general

00:41:12

nothing happens Well and

00:41:15

some people interpret the fact that

00:41:19

this is going down like this

00:41:21

as the fact that behind all this the

00:41:23

hundred and

00:41:26

fifty was organic and all these channels

00:41:29

they only played on objectively

00:41:32

existing sentiments that have a generally

00:41:34

different nature, rather

00:41:35

socio-economic

00:41:37

in the North Caucasus that Do

00:41:42

you think yes This is an interesting

00:41:45

topic big big piece firstly I

00:41:50

will say even in Soviet

00:41:55

times

00:41:57

after showing these moments of spring this

00:42:01

Paradox was stated by the KGB General Staff then that

00:42:06

this film is designed to

00:42:09

show how the Soviet Union

00:42:11

fought Nazism there at the end of the Second

00:42:13

World War it gave birth to a huge

00:42:16

number of neo-Nazi

00:42:20

groups because the

00:42:22

Nazi uniform is very beautiful, very smart people and

00:42:27

in general Stirlitz is so good. Soviet

00:42:30

Stirlitz is included in all this Nazi

00:42:34

stuff that instead of giving

00:42:37

rise to rejection of this, it became

00:42:41

some kind of fashion and then the KGB arose for the

00:42:44

first time, the fifth directorate has a huge

00:42:46

huge systemic problem because

00:42:49

a lot of followers suddenly began

00:42:51

sewing Nazi uniforms for themselves and that

00:42:55

means speaking underground with some kind of

00:42:58

neo-Nazi neo-Nazi slogans, which was

00:43:01

surprising because we ourselves understand

00:43:03

that the country that lost 20 million there

00:43:06

on the field on the field of war and 27 in a

00:43:10

whole million people, it’s strange that

00:43:13

she suddenly finds herself on the other side

00:43:16

on the other side of the Barricades But this is

00:43:18

strange only to people who don’t

00:43:20

know history Because people who

00:43:22

know history They understood that between the

00:43:24

Reich of

00:43:26

Hitler’s National Socialist Party

00:43:29

and International of Stalin’s Socialist Party there is

00:43:32

no difference, that’s why they

00:43:35

signed an agreement between themselves and

00:43:37

that’s why Stalin, by the way, didn’t believe that

00:43:39

his brother means Adolf would

00:43:42

ever attack him, here of course there is

00:43:44

accumulated ideological history,

00:43:47

again, and unfinished work on the

00:43:49

trial of the Communist Party of

00:43:52

the Soviet Union Union In ninety Perm

00:43:53

ninety-two ninety-three

00:43:56

because these things weren’t not

00:43:59

brought to completion

00:44:01

uh the pogroms that are happening now that are

00:44:04

happening in the Caucasus are

00:44:07

anti-Jewish, they are still by

00:44:09

their nature, I agree with you, they have a completely

00:44:11

different nature than in tsarist Russia

00:44:13

because in tsarist Russia the Black Hundreds, the

00:44:15

Russian Black Hundreds, carried out

00:44:18

anti-Jewish pogroms. Yes, the Ukrainians carried out

00:44:21

anti-Jewish pogroms, but they are not Muslims, but

00:44:25

here it means Muslims, because clearly

00:44:27

this is simply introducing a conflict that

00:44:29

exists in the Middle East and,

00:44:32

accordingly, searching for the same same

00:44:36

defendants on my territory this I would

00:44:39

even say that this is not so much even

00:44:41

anti-Semitism as well, such a

00:44:45

public public insanity of

00:44:47

Muslims and Islamists, even I would say that it’s

00:44:50

not even Muslims anymore, but rather

00:44:52

Islamists, and I agree with you that

00:44:54

of course the morning of Dagestan is to this

00:44:56

has nothing to do with it and you have nothing to do with it,

00:44:59

in my opinion, you’ve even already

00:45:01

told about your relationship with this

00:45:03

channel, I think that the morning of Dagestan

00:45:06

has something to do with it. Well, it’s just

00:45:08

like a channel that resonated with

00:45:11

the mood, yes, but you no longer have anything to do with it

00:45:14

relationship channel This has nothing

00:45:17

to do with I have nothing to do with him I

00:45:20

definitely had it once a very

00:45:24

long time ago

00:45:26

with Jetty mentioned here the man said

00:45:30

Here I am an external force that sits yes that’s why

00:45:33

I understood your Irony Yes I

00:45:37

understood your sarcasm And there is people who

00:45:39

don’t feel sarcasm so subtly. Irony,

00:45:41

so some people need to be

00:45:43

told in plain text that Ilya parv

00:45:46

has nothing to do with this at all, and he

00:45:54

has a direct connection to this,

00:45:58

unlike you. That’s because then

00:46:01

when the son of Ramzan Kadyrov beat him,

00:46:05

it means he’s in a pre-trial

00:46:07

detention center who was illegally

00:46:09

transferred to Chechnya and it is unknown why and

00:46:11

then he is received by the head of state in the

00:46:14

Kremlin and does not remove him from his

00:46:16

job, then in principle Putin I have already

00:46:19

said in several interviews that both of them

00:46:22

together are pushing Russia into the abyss of

00:46:28

religious massacre and that Ramzan Kadyrov is

00:46:31

Hamas is completely Russian and Chechnya is the

00:46:34

completely Russian Gaza Strip, from where the

00:46:42

Orthodox Muslims could also have flared up in the division. And here

00:46:46

it flared up easier because it’s

00:46:48

even easier to blame Jews for everything than

00:46:50

Orthodox Christians, and when this

00:46:53

war started there wasn’t much need to think about it

00:46:56

right away find Jews

00:46:59

as defendants for all the troubles that

00:47:02

you have there, you have no gas, Jews, that

00:47:05

means you have no roads, Jews Not

00:47:07

because Putin has done nothing for 25 years. Yes, it’s

00:47:10

not because your leaders are stealing

00:47:12

budget money, but because Jews,

00:47:14

of course, yes you in the entrance So on

00:47:17

the drywall it’s also all Jews or Obama or

00:47:19

there’s Biden now Well, it’s clear and

00:47:22

Israel, of course, is not far from this matter

00:47:25

But Putin himself pushed in this in this

00:47:30

direction, and especially since if you look

00:47:32

at Putin’s activities in general, he’s in

00:47:35

Basically, he always fights with his brothers in faith,

00:47:38

which means Georgians are Orthodox, Armenians,

00:47:41

Christians, Ukraine is Orthodox and

00:47:44

Fraternal, which means he has this very

00:47:48

Islamic caliphate in Chechnya, a best friend of at

00:47:52

least a billion a year, which

00:47:55

is passed on to Kadyrov, and the impression is that there is already

00:47:58

talk that Putin has converted to Islam

00:48:00

and in general Russophobe, and if we add

00:48:03

that he killed 300,300,000 Russians with the hands

00:48:07

of Ukrainians at the front with

00:48:09

purpose, then in general he is the most

00:48:10

important Russophobe. And in general, his

00:48:12

task is to destroy the Russian Federation.

00:48:15

So, in general, there are quite a lot of things accumulated here,

00:48:18

but you know,

00:48:20

paradoxically, but the most

00:48:24

real

00:48:26

the very real possibility of stopping the Armed Forces,

00:48:28

this thing was said by Kadyrov, how is it not

00:48:29

paradoxical? Now, if

00:48:32

Putin had said this, then there would have been more fire, there would have been more

00:48:34

fire everywhere,

00:48:36

Muslims would have come out again to the square

00:48:39

and started slaughtering Orthodox Christians there too.

00:48:42

But that’s what it is said Kadyrov, the Islamist

00:48:44

Kadyrov, who established a caliphate

00:48:47

where he established Sharia law, the

00:48:49

Russian Constitution is not valid for him, he has

00:48:52

such a tough

00:48:54

re, this will be a calming moment

00:48:58

because he actually took upon himself

00:49:00

the responsibility that Putin is not able to

00:49:02

take upon himself because we

00:49:05

realized after the Prigozhin rebellion that the

00:49:07

Russian government is not capable of

00:49:09

doing anything at all. That is, roughly speaking,

00:49:11

it can twist grandmothers and students in the

00:49:13

squares with the hands of Amon and the National Guard, it

00:49:17

can imprison oppositionists, it can

00:49:20

imprison Ilya Yashin, there

00:49:25

it can imprison all the people who do not do

00:49:28

not support the war who

00:49:31

criticize Putin, she can even imprison

00:49:33

Girkin, a neo-Nazi and a

00:49:36

Nazi, but she cannot do anything about the

00:49:40

spontaneous

00:49:41

Islamic protest and she is terribly afraid

00:49:44

that it will come back, there are some kind of

00:49:46

terrorist attacks on her territory, on this occasion

00:49:48

she gives it all up to them

00:49:51

Islamists, first of all, to Kadyrov and We,

00:49:53

by the way, see the difference between Tatarstan

00:49:56

Yes, Tatarstan is, after all,

00:49:58

calm Muslims, although they have two on

00:50:01

their minds, they also have this

00:50:04

because they still brought an order to Kadyrov’s son

00:50:07

for beating his client

00:50:10

and mediocre investigative maryato so I won’t

00:50:13

say that they are all White

00:50:16

and fluffy like that, just everyone In Tatarstan and

00:50:19

Karachay, Circassia also hung him

00:50:21

some kind of orno But still, we see

00:50:24

that

00:50:26

there the Chechen Islamic factor is

00:50:28

stronger and that’s what Kadyrov a

00:50:31

frostbitten

00:50:33

Islamist can and at some stage

00:50:36

can stop it now, and you know

00:50:39

how it’s not surprising But this is a

00:50:41

tough answer that like three in the air,

00:50:45

one in the forehead, that’s what this

00:50:48

crowd can be stopped because

00:50:50

there’s nothing else it’s impossible to stop

00:50:52

because we saw that the Mufti of

00:50:54

Dagestan was trying to do what to do there on

00:50:57

video Recorded some kind of appeal

00:51:00

and it fell on deaf ears, no one heard him

00:51:04

Here is the Russian leader of the Republic of

00:51:08

Dagestan Apparently, in general, he

00:51:11

again brought it all on you personally and on the

00:51:14

Ukrainians and on the United States of America,

00:51:16

just like Putin, and it turns out that in

00:51:19

fact the local leadership was

00:51:24

sick because we saw how both

00:51:27

the National Guard and the police reacted to this

00:51:30

pogrom, they generally stood on the sidelines,

00:51:32

roughly speaking, and were afraid. Well, really, then

00:51:35

they tried to disperse And By the way, one

00:51:37

of the dead is a police colonel

00:51:40

who was hit directly in the

00:51:42

head with a stone and killed. Yes, and out of the twenty

00:51:45

victims, in my opinion, 16 are

00:51:48

police officers. That is, in principle, they

00:51:50

turned out to be scapegoats in this

00:51:53

case because they are too soft

00:51:56

part directly participated Yes but but

00:52:00

someone flew in Yes there were different things and

00:52:04

in any case they all now we

00:52:06

understand How it works and it works It’s

00:52:08

like they are on the ground they are afraid to

00:52:11

do something Yes they sent Amon but or the

00:52:14

National Guard there but with a big delay,

00:52:16

when the Russian Guard Amon arrived there,

00:52:19

they generally very inactively participated

00:52:21

in the crackdown in real life, and then they are all

00:52:24

waiting for what Moscow will say, and until Putin

00:52:26

said something, it means that before that

00:52:29

the leader of Dagestan did

00:52:32

n’t say anything either. when Putin set the

00:52:34

order that this was all foreign

00:52:37

interference, the leader immediately

00:52:38

repeated this whole thing and in fact

00:52:41

it will always be repeated. But that’s why

00:52:43

I say that it’s paradoxical, but

00:52:45

the most effective example of the possibility of

00:52:49

stopping all this madness was given. How

00:52:51

strange

00:52:54

Kadyrov Well, I’m probably here with it

00:52:57

I agree The only thing that can be stopped is

00:52:59

probably in this way the problem can be cured in

00:53:03

this way it is impossible but the

00:53:06

source of the problem is still in the Kremlin

00:53:10

which

00:53:12

[music]

00:53:14

Yes Tom cannot be cured not the disease

00:53:19

will not be cured in this way but the symptoms Yes

00:53:22

maybe it can be

00:53:24

cured

00:53:26

Yes and in this I Of course, well, of this whole

00:53:29

gloomy story with Pogba, probably

00:53:32

the only plus that I see is

00:53:34

exactly what you said that the Armed Forces are

00:53:36

more and more signs that

00:53:39

they are no longer in charge, that the situation is moving

00:53:42

on its own, and this means that this

00:53:45

Empire will live out

00:53:48

its

00:53:54

post in any In this case, it proved that

00:53:57

this mechanism here is actually

00:53:59

workable; it would be absolutely wonderful to use it for

00:54:02

good purposes.

00:54:04

Thank you very much.

00:54:06

Sergei

00:54:09

Zhirnov, a former illegal

00:54:13

from the Soviet and then Russian intelligence, was in touch with us. A

00:54:17

political scientist and Expert is a great friend of

00:54:21

ours. channel Sergey thank you very much

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