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day Rinat and Greetings to all our00:01:06
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leave comments I’m asking you for this for the00:01:16
second time in the last 200:01:18
minutes, simply for the reason that00:01:20
we cannot do without you, our dear viewers.00:01:21
I would like to start today’s00:01:24
conversation with a00:01:25
discussion of the historical vote00:01:28
that took place in America on April 2000:01:31
this weekend finally, the United00:01:34
States approved assistance to Ukraine and one of the00:01:37
points of this assistance is the00:01:41
confiscation of Russian property00:01:42
abroad. The fact is that one of the most00:01:44
powerful and probably important news of00:01:47
the last week, including this is the story00:01:49
about the villa of Mrs. Putina, now the ex-00:01:52
wife of Vladimir Poon it00:01:56
fmi im slami00:02:00
history has been discussed more than once on the air,00:02:02
including the need to nationalize00:02:04
the property of people who are in one way or another00:02:06
related to today’s Russian00:02:08
elite Are you satisfied, so I’ll00:02:10
formulate the question briefly and succinctly,00:02:13
it’s a complex question I can say that this is00:02:17
one of the steps one of steps that00:02:20
needed to be taken and needed to be00:02:22
done in my opinion a few00:02:25
years ago, well, better late than00:02:29
never, to be short and00:02:32
laconic00:02:35
today is good, but what do you think, within the00:02:37
framework of this historic00:02:39
vote, will it be possible to continue the00:02:41
process of taking away property and from the00:02:44
Russian state and from people00:02:45
who are affiliated with the state00:02:47
abroad and, accordingly, what efforts00:02:49
need to be00:02:51
made. This is a large complex process00:02:53
because on the one hand,00:02:56
property rights, which are of great00:02:58
importance in general for the West, for Europe and00:03:00
for the United States, and on the other hand, these are obvious00:03:03
war crimes crimes of00:03:06
aggression crimes against00:03:07
humanity humanity that00:03:10
Vladimir Putin and his henchmen commit every day,00:03:13
it is obvious that Vladimir Putin00:03:18
knows perfectly well all the strict rules of the West and00:03:22
considers their law-abidingness and00:03:25
decency to be a weakness, unlike the00:03:27
one who rewrites00:03:31
who put with the device on all00:03:33
possible international conventions00:03:35
international obligations, including,00:03:37
among other things, the international00:03:39
obligation of the Russian Federation,00:03:41
which guaranteed Ukraine, together with the00:03:44
United States of America00:03:46
and Great Britain, security under the00:03:50
agreement on the nuclear disarmament of00:03:55
Ukraine, here it is a splitting of two ends with one we00:04:00
certainly respect the rights and all00:04:03
regulations, it is necessary that this is where the00:04:07
strength lies West But on the other hand,00:04:11
it is obvious that if you are wearing white00:04:15
gloves in a duel with a sword and opposite00:04:18
you is a man with a pitchfork and an ax who00:04:20
throws sand in your eyes, yells,00:04:24
screams, distracts you, uses00:04:26
some forbidden techniques, but it is clear00:04:28
that in this case it is this It’s not a duel, it’s00:04:33
beating Tuzik with a heating pad, so of course00:04:35
the West is now reformatting, it00:04:37
took them several years for their judicial00:04:40
system, legislators, investigators,00:04:43
intelligence services to adapt and00:04:45
adjust to this hybrid00:04:47
war that Vladimir Putin announced00:04:49
to the West, of course They will hit,00:04:52
including the finances of this Mafia00:04:54
which robbed the Russian Federation of the00:04:57
Russian people and bought up huge00:04:59
amounts of luxury real estate in different00:05:01
countries of the world, luxury resorts,00:05:05
super yachts, the largest in the world, yachts, and so00:05:09
on, the confiscation and seizure of assets from00:05:12
Putin and his accomplices, both oligarchs00:05:15
and secret services, is a very00:05:18
painful blow to this whole Mafia00:05:21
according to00:05:22
Putin’s system So far, there are few such blows, but they are00:05:26
very noticeable and Putin reacts to them00:05:28
extremely painfully. I think that the further00:05:32
the situation develops, the more00:05:34
such decisive actions there will be, and the00:05:36
legislative framework that was adopted in the00:05:38
United States just00:05:39
a few days ago, it creates for00:05:42
this, including the platform I think that00:05:45
this is such an important step forward in00:05:48
counteracting Putin and his00:05:51
regime, I read over the weekend what Russian ass propagandists and of course Propaganda are writing00:05:54
as a result of this vote in Congress.00:06:03
Writer Zakhar Prilepin barely offers what they don’t call for.00:06:05
Doesn’t he directly00:06:07
speak about the need for a New00:06:08
mobilization? Well, it’s obvious that the answer00:06:11
will probably be tightening of militarization00:06:13
in Russia and it’s obvious that what’s probably00:06:16
waiting for us now in Russia, including the00:06:19
possible strengthening of military rhetoric, and so00:06:21
on and so on, Russia will be ready according to00:06:24
your feelings of some kind OTR, relatively00:06:26
speaking, type together00:06:30
eche pomo Ukraine and why conditionally Hello00:06:33
to mobilization or to tightening this00:06:36
militant rhetoric Although It would seem that it would be00:06:39
much more to propagate this rhetoric00:06:42
every day from00:06:43
TV screens, what are you waiting for as an00:06:46
answer in your question Russia is mentioned It00:06:49
seems to me that here The more I00:06:53
learn about reality and what is happening in00:06:56
that territory, the more pain00:06:59
Russia suffers. I mean the Russia that is00:07:02
written in the Constitution, that Russia00:07:05
that should, in theory, be a00:07:07
democratic democratic00:07:09
state. Where there will be several different00:07:12
branches of government that are independent of each00:07:14
other, the whole territory is which,00:07:29
for the purpose of recruiting and subordinating the judicial00:07:33
power, the legislative power of the press, and00:07:36
so on, who were able to recruit those00:07:39
inside the system who refused, either they00:07:42
were squeezed out of Russia or they were simply00:07:46
imprisoned and00:07:48
killed in general. We have a large00:07:51
population of more than 100 million00:07:53
people who are in power the00:07:55
power00:07:56
bloc is why00:07:59
the decisions made there are painful,00:08:03
but it is obvious00:08:05
that Ukraine will have more weapons,00:08:09
more modern weapons, which means00:08:12
more Russians will die in the war for00:08:15
Putin and for his system,00:08:18
there is a certain number of 100,000 200,000 300,00000:08:21
Russians who died in the war, he is, in00:08:24
principle, deeply Russians are purple for him00:08:26
- these are the kind of soldiers,00:08:30
I don’t know, there are ants00:08:31
crawling somewhere on the map,00:08:33
on the western borders, a certain00:08:36
number of them turn from black to00:08:38
red graves are seen. He is very00:08:41
indifferent in general to losses and that00:08:44
’s why he’s still there Throwing in a00:08:47
few hundred thousand more00:08:51
lives of Russians as a counterbalance to Western aid for him is, well, excuse me,00:08:53
just like that, like two fingers the question How to00:08:56
arm them, what to give them in the hands if uniforms are00:09:00
sewn for them in the Russian colonies00:09:04
and whether the Russian Federation can00:09:08
produce military military industrial equipment there Northern00:09:11
Korea and Iran provide them with new00:09:13
shells, but they are actively working on this; the00:09:15
whole country, the whole state, is00:09:18
now working for the war for the result.00:09:21
For Vladimir Putin, completely forgetting00:09:24
about the armed forces, the rest and,00:09:27
accordingly, the level of education and the00:09:29
life expectancy of the safety of00:09:32
citizens are all, in general, things that this is already00:09:34
not even seriously discussed in Russia,00:09:38
so here it00:09:40
really is, I see such a big00:09:42
problem. The West has a certain00:09:44
limitation in resources in terms of00:09:47
financing assistance to Ukraine today,00:09:51
the last 60 billion, but the decision on them00:09:54
was made with difficulty for several months00:09:58
and quite a lot of forces were deployed00:10:01
in order for this consensus to arise00:10:03
between part of the Republicans and00:10:05
Democrats for the adoption of this law.00:10:08
Will there be progressive follow-up00:10:10
assistance? After this, we know that for00:10:13
more than two years, periodically, different00:10:16
Western politicians have been making such00:10:18
interesting, encouraging,00:10:21
optimistic statements about support for Ukraine and what is about to00:10:24
happen Ukraine will be given modern00:10:28
aircraft, new weapons systems, new00:10:31
air defense systems, but for now at least We do00:10:34
n’t know about any squadron yet, I don’t00:10:37
know about the Rafale Mirage f-15 f-100:10:41
eurofighter or anything else that can00:10:44
fly and attack Russian troops from the00:10:46
air, so we see how the huge00:10:49
army of Russia is now pressing on all00:10:52
fronts against the Armed Forces, the situation is actually00:10:56
complicated I would say it is generally tragic00:11:00
because a huge number of people are dying on both sides,00:11:02
only one00:11:04
here are heroes who are defending their00:11:07
independence, their homeland, their land and the00:11:09
democratic future of Ukraine00:11:12
European future And others act00:11:15
under pressure or under the00:11:18
threat of using a mop of torture on them,00:11:20
and so on. In general,00:11:24
or there is some part recruited00:11:26
simply because they are poor, poor,00:11:29
stole with debts, so go00:11:32
sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense and with00:11:34
some quasi units there00:11:36
that are supposedly00:11:38
dummies in general. In my00:11:41
opinion, the situation is complicated. But the more00:11:45
journalists tell the Truth about00:11:48
what is happening there, the more Russians00:11:51
learn about the essence of what is happening, the00:11:53
more chances it seems to me that it00:11:59
will be stopped, at least for us There is00:12:02
no need for anyone to give up00:12:04
or, on the contrary, to be happy that everything is00:12:07
fine, the states have allocated a lot of money and00:12:09
tomorrow Ukraine will win, the situation once again00:12:12
emphasizes that it is complex and here it is important,00:12:16
without speaking in Russian, I will say Yes, we need to stop00:12:19
all this discord, squabbles, discussion of who is a00:12:23
human rights activist, who is the opposition, who is cleaner00:12:28
in coming it’s time to unite and00:12:31
create powerful resistance at the00:12:32
international level to Putin’s aggression,00:12:35
we are talking about the Russian opposition and00:12:37
about civil society and about those who are00:12:40
inside Russia within the system and about the00:12:43
West and about Ukraine. And if we all the time00:12:45
organize00:12:47
some kind of parties there meetings, Komsomol00:12:50
meetings in order to sort out00:12:52
each other’s dirty laundry and look for00:12:55
reasons for discord and quarrel there,00:12:59
as in the last few days they have been actively00:13:01
discussing the film project of Maria00:13:05
XX and FBK on Facebook and so on, but it seems to me that00:13:08
nothing good will come from this here.00:13:11
We will everyone will continue to mark time And at00:13:13
this time the Ukrainians00:13:15
who defend their land will die And the Russians00:13:19
who participate in this criminal00:13:21
occupation I would like to talk to you separately about this topic, it00:13:24
seems to me that00:13:25
you are a very suitable hero00:13:27
to discuss the00:13:29
last days are coming around the film Maria00:13:32
Singers because you, too,00:13:33
had to go through, relatively speaking,00:13:36
such a riot of00:13:39
emotional [ __ ] calling a spade a spade00:13:42
about your person and00:13:44
about the activities of the singer No, I00:13:46
want to come back to this a little later because I00:13:48
want another topic briefly discuss00:13:49
and then we’ll talk about the film traitors, the00:13:53
horror of one name. As far as I understand,00:13:56
you have already mentioned torture00:14:00
under the threat of these VETs, including00:14:03
the murder of Ukrainians by the props. I want to talk to you in the VM00:14:07
key. I know that the trial of00:14:09
people who were tortured in Saratov00:14:13
prisons has begun. these sadists,00:14:15
tell me a little more in detail in general Do00:14:17
you believe that this trial will00:14:18
end with them getting what they00:14:21
deserve? Thank you for this question, I00:14:24
really want to tell this to a00:14:26
large, wide audience. I hope this00:14:28
will be interesting to dear viewers and00:14:30
subscribers tomorrow, April 23, at the00:14:35
Moscow Regional Court in the sector And on the third floor00:14:38
in the hall00:14:40
presided over by Judge Kozlov, a00:14:43
large trial will begin of the00:14:46
Saratov sadists, including00:14:49
Colonel of the Internal Service Pavel Tsenko00:14:52
and his right hand Lieutenant Colonel Sergei00:14:54
Maltsev, who is exactly in the place of Lily for00:14:57
more than 10 years in the torture tuberculosis00:15:01
hospital where people were brought to00:15:03
supposedly for treatment, but in fact they beat,00:15:05
tortured, raped, and some killed,00:15:07
and also in the dock were00:15:10
a number of KAPOs inside cell agents00:15:13
who were listed as orderlies and doctors,00:15:16
received wages from the Russian Federation00:15:18
for supposedly helping00:15:20
medical personnel, but in fact00:15:22
were such professional executioners00:15:25
sadistic murderers and rapists who,00:15:28
on the orders of00:15:29
higher-ranking officers of the FSB intelligence services and the00:15:33
Sun, beat, tortured, raped and killed this is a00:15:37
landmark case because we tried00:15:40
to expose torture conveyors starting in00:15:44
201223 when I was still living in Russia00:15:47
then I headed a working group to00:15:49
protect the rights of prisoners now funny00:15:51
to think that in the State Duma now00:15:53
it is in principle impossible for any00:15:55
of the independent human rights activists to come00:15:57
to Okhotny Ryad, the country of Change, and what00:16:00
previously seemed to us like some kind of tractor and00:16:02
combine turned into such a tank with00:16:04
guts and blood on the tracks. And in00:16:08
general,00:16:09
thanks to our To my friend, I consider00:16:13
Sergei Savelyev, a Belarusian hero, Sergei Savelyev,00:16:16
who spent more than 5 years in these00:16:19
dungeons00:16:20
from00:16:38
Subsequently, He00:16:40
brought us here to France, we00:16:42
published them, and this led to the resignation of the00:16:45
director of Sin, FSB General Kalashnikov,00:16:48
his First Deputy, and the resignation of the00:16:50
head of the Federal Penitentiary Service for the Saratov Region,00:16:52
Ira, this sadistic head of00:16:59
the party, first of all, I must immediately00:17:02
say my00:17:03
position, not mine, but ours we believe our00:17:07
team believes that there is no00:17:09
independent court in Russia Therefore, in any case,00:17:11
Every time we comment in one way or another,00:17:13
Let us assume that00:17:15
we are the Word of the court, mentioning in quotation marks Because the00:17:18
same judges and Judge Kozlov in00:17:21
the Moscow Regional Court and those who stand above him in the00:17:23
supreme court these are people who00:17:25
have been cooperating closely with the FSB for quite a long time and00:17:28
who have been agreed upon by the00:17:30
Putin administration and the FSB officer and, accordingly, a step to the00:17:34
left is a step to the right for them it will be an00:17:36
execution or some kind of death for00:17:40
medical reasons, so they will00:17:42
do exactly what they are ordered to do00:17:45
old square and from Lubyanka, so Judge00:17:49
Kozlov got to consider the00:17:51
largest criminal case in Russia, I think probably in the world,00:17:55
about systematic torture,00:17:58
violence, rape and murder in the00:18:01
prison system, at least for the00:18:03
last 15 years there, this is 100% this is00:18:07
such a champion case there If you want, or00:18:09
there is antim, there are a huge number of00:18:12
episodes, there are dozens of episodes00:18:14
of rape, dozens of episodes of rape have been revealed thanks to00:18:16
Savelyev’s archive, dozens of episodes of abuse of00:18:18
power with the use of violence,00:18:20
our arguments about the00:18:22
extortion of money from people have been confirmed,00:18:25
and even the revealed facts of murder, which00:18:28
we announced several years ago00:18:29
and now We already know for sure,00:18:33
according to the prosecution, that Tsenko and00:18:35
his henchmen not only tortured and00:18:37
raped, but also killed people and at the same time00:18:40
being murderers. They continued to serve for years,00:18:44
occupy the post of head of a00:18:46
penitentiary medical institution,00:18:50
had power00:18:51
over prisoners, and by carrying out torture, on the00:18:56
one hand, this is an achievement and they believe00:18:59
that this is our victory on the other hand,00:19:01
since we know all this from the inside and were00:19:04
almost certainly engaged in this independent investigation. Well,00:19:07
now it’s definitely been more than 10 years, you can00:19:09
say there are calendar years, I can say00:19:11
that the investigation in Russia was00:19:13
not carried out in full, it was not00:19:16
objective and comprehensive because a00:19:21
number of high-ranking employees of the FSB00:19:24
Sin and the Federal Penitentiary Service in the Saratov Region have escaped criminal liability; a00:19:26
criminal case has been opened against them00:19:29
against so-called unidentified00:19:31
persons from among the employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the00:19:34
Saratov Region, including00:19:36
one00:19:38
of the deputy chiefs as a suspect00:19:42
osbbkov are being considered as00:19:44
suspects by those people on whom the00:19:46
participants of the torture conveyor have already given00:19:48
evidence, but so far00:19:51
no procedural decisions have been made on them and, accordingly, here is00:19:53
their roof in the management of the FSB of Russia and00:19:57
in the central apparatus in Sin, it00:19:59
protects them, so when we00:20:01
look at it it seems like a criminal case to00:20:04
us. But if you like,00:20:06
let’s say it’s a00:20:07
castrated criminal case, because00:20:10
according to the case materials, a huge00:20:12
number of different healthy people00:20:14
were sent from different regions of Russia,00:20:16
from different prisons, to the Saratov00:20:20
tuberculosis hospital, allegedly for00:20:22
treatment using false documents, but with00:20:25
in this case, those who were not brought to criminal responsibility are00:20:27
not those who signed these orders00:20:30
from among the management in Sin and the00:20:32
operational management in Sin in Moscow00:20:34
on Zhitnaya, not from among the FSB employees00:20:37
who oversaw this and00:20:39
controlled the functioning of otb-1,00:20:43
well, now specifically about the FSB emu department for00:20:45
Saratov region and emko from the00:20:47
central apparatus who were engaged in00:20:52
counterintelligence00:20:54
Me and for more than 5 years00:20:57
just initiated hacker attacks,00:21:00
criminal cases against us Feast of00:21:02
media attacks just to00:21:03
discredit us, confuse us, distract and00:21:07
make sure that we do not reveal these00:21:09
terrible ones the secrets of Lubyanka also We know for sure00:21:13
that one of the prisoners who00:21:17
was involved in the torture chamber He00:21:19
testified under the protocol about the involvement of00:21:22
FSB officers in torture, he says The volume of00:21:29
the testimony is repeatedly mentioned here, an00:21:31
abbreviation from the TH letters of Lubyanka, but00:21:35
nevertheless this person somehow00:21:37
reached the courts sent him to war without a verdict,00:21:41
where this man died and in fact00:21:44
they killed such a living witness00:21:46
who testified against the FSB agents.00:21:49
Therefore, on the one hand, in the dock are00:21:52
those sadists who are in Saratov00:21:54
in the Saratov steering wheel of all this,00:21:59
but none of their accomplices and00:22:03
accomplices from the higher management00:22:05
in the line of the FSB has not been brought to00:22:08
justice, which means that the00:22:09
organizers and customers of these terrible00:22:12
tortures continue to serve, have00:22:16
the power of authority00:22:18
and have all the capabilities of the special services.00:22:21
That is, in fact, we know that00:22:24
sadists and murderers serve in the FSB and the Sin, moreover,00:22:27
this is now but it’s just an assumption, a00:22:30
conjecture, a hypothesis, this is an established fact00:22:32
because a huge number of00:22:34
Ukrainian citizens are now00:22:36
returning from Russian captivity, they00:22:38
give similar testimony to those who00:22:41
gave, for example, in the Saratov case, the00:22:43
victims, they also talk about00:22:45
terrible torture, sadism, cruelty And00:22:49
now we know that these same00:22:51
sadists remain in power, they00:22:54
serve in Lubyanka and Zhitnaya, and00:22:57
they are now also in charge of the00:23:00
Ukrainian prisoners, and this now opens up00:23:03
the opportunity for us, the international00:23:06
criminal court, the international tribunal,00:23:09
and us human rights activists to jointly00:23:11
join forces in order to00:23:12
expose them and investigate their00:23:14
crimes at the international level.00:23:17
Although I would like to emphasize once again, we are preparing00:23:19
certain archives and materials for00:23:23
what will happen after the death of00:23:24
Putin and after the transition of power, and in any00:23:27
case at the national level within Russia,00:23:30
we will also organize a full-fledged00:23:32
comprehensive investigation and not only00:23:34
in relation to these sadists who00:23:36
are today Well, if not the switchman,00:23:38
then at least the performers of the00:23:40
middle and junior levels of this system, I will once00:23:43
again emphasize that the most important sadists00:23:45
sit in high chairs in large00:23:49
offices in Lubyanka and Zhitnaya and in the00:23:52
Kremlin, we will still need to00:23:56
reach them no matter00:23:59
what, what do I understand, whether it is00:24:03
active or not, that00:24:06
you are launching a Russian-Ukrainian00:24:07
joint00:24:09
project, today I can definitely00:24:15
tell you about00:24:28
this Danish project, a few00:24:32
months ago we came to an agreement with a00:24:36
number of journalists and00:24:38
human rights activists in Ukraine about joining00:24:40
forces and about creating the launch of an00:24:43
international project of the international00:24:45
human rights movement under the00:24:48
telling name00:24:57
Antigulov, to do everything possible so that neither00:25:00
in Ukraine nor in Russia human rights in00:25:02
places of deprivation of liberty are systematically and00:25:04
grossly violated over the past few00:25:07
weeks. Ukraine has essentially given00:25:10
us the opportunity to freely, without any -or there is00:25:13
censorship of preliminary approvals to00:25:16
interview Russians in Ukrainian captivity,00:25:20
I was given the opportunity to talk with them00:25:21
there without agreeing00:25:23
in advance on any issues without censorship00:25:25
without a time limit,00:25:28
I asked them a fairly large00:25:29
number of questions that related to00:25:31
the conditions of detention, they showed me the00:25:34
conditions in which00:25:35
they were kept there in quarantine in the detachment00:25:37
Where they sleep How they eat I talked to them00:25:42
both in groups And individually and here, of00:25:45
course, a big role was played by the Ukrainian00:25:47
journalist blogger Vladimir Zolkin and00:25:50
Alexey Alya, this is our friend, our00:25:53
colleague, the00:25:55
president of the Ukrainian fund for helping00:25:58
prisoners of war, the man himself who00:26:00
visited from March to December 2022 in00:26:04
Russian captivity and was subjected to00:26:06
severe torture in season one in Kursk00:26:09
and in colony number one of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the00:26:11
Tula region and was released 30 kg00:26:14
lighter than at the beginning of the war, he was beaten00:26:18
very badly, tortured, and after00:26:21
his release, his legs were almost amputated00:26:23
because they were in a terrible00:26:25
state, they were repulsed, blood vessels were destroyed00:26:29
Alexei anu has now undergone00:26:31
17 operations to restore his health, and00:26:34
now he found the strength to join00:26:36
this project and despite the fact that probably00:26:40
99.5 people in his place would have00:26:43
experienced this all00:26:45
Russians hate and would like to take revenge00:26:49
Alexei Ana, a former athlete, champion in00:26:52
kickboxing in Ukraine and the CIS and in00:26:56
Europe, such a seasoned fighter also performed. A00:26:58
very strong-willed person and00:27:01
in general, despite what he00:27:03
experienced in life, he found the strength to00:27:05
connect to human rights movement and00:27:08
directly travel to colonies and00:27:10
pre-trial detention centers in Ukraine to communicate with prisoners of war,00:27:13
question them and in order to better00:27:16
know the situation there in Ukraine and so00:27:19
that our audience there00:27:22
does not have a Gulag channel and on the Internet and the media to tell00:27:24
Russians how it is in Ukraine on a00:27:26
systematic basis relates to00:27:28
the Russians to the Russian plenum and at the00:27:31
same time, so that against the backdrop of this00:27:34
humanism and respect for human rights and00:27:37
observance of rights there on a systemic basis,00:27:39
show that Ukraine is indeed a00:27:42
European country and at the same time00:27:44
appeal to current employees in00:27:46
Sin and The FSB showed them how What standards00:27:50
exist in Ukraine so that in general the security officers and the00:27:54
Russian jailers somehow00:27:56
rethink and stop believing00:27:58
this stupid thing,00:28:01
zombify them aggressively towards00:28:04
Ukrainian captives so that they, too, will00:28:07
somehow cool down there, cool down their00:28:10
ardor, reduce level of arbitrariness Remove00:28:14
this systematic cruelty and00:28:16
sadism towards Ukrainian prisoners00:28:19
so that they realize that this is how00:28:21
it happened, that in the 20th century in 2024 they00:28:26
are the real00:28:29
Stas fascists who00:28:32
literally torture Ukrainian prisoners And these are not00:28:35
ours again there speculation, we have a00:28:37
fairly large number of testimonies00:28:40
and Ukrainian citizens interviewed after returning from captivity00:28:42
who talk00:28:46
about approximately the same00:28:48
terrible system, and we have00:28:50
evidence and testimonies of a number of00:28:51
Sin employees whom we have00:28:54
evacuated from Russia over the past 2 years,00:28:57
which gives us the opportunity tell the truth00:28:59
tell the truth to journalists,00:29:02
including the German Second Channel ZDF,00:29:05
in February they presented a documentary00:29:09
series where they published the00:29:11
testimony of a major from the00:29:14
special forces department of the special forces of the Federal Penitentiary Service in00:29:17
St. Petersburg, Leningrad00:29:19
Region, Major Vitaly Prika, who00:29:22
said that they had to00:29:25
participate in fascism And so he just00:29:28
refused to take part in this,00:29:29
left Russia and is now giving00:29:31
very important valuable testimony about this and there are00:29:34
quite a lot of such officers who00:29:37
contact us; someone from Russia00:29:40
contacts us and passes on information to those who are00:29:43
ashamed of what they have to endure00:29:45
an accomplice to somehow expose this, and00:29:47
someone simply requests help in00:29:49
evacuation, leaves the territory of Russia in00:29:52
order to subsequently testify00:29:55
in the international criminal court at the00:29:57
international independent commission of the UN00:30:00
and to all organizations Who, at the international00:30:02
level, is trying to reveal the essence of what is00:30:06
happening in Russian dungeons and00:30:08
condemn these ongoing crimes against00:30:11
humanity and humanity, that’s why00:30:14
Yes, our main goal is to level the situation00:30:17
so that, against the backdrop of how00:30:20
prisoners are treated with dignity in Ukraine,00:30:22
so that in Russia they stop beating people,00:30:25
torturing them, much less killing,00:30:28
starting from today tomorrow,00:30:30
at least someone then from the employees of Sin and the00:30:33
FSB who will watch these videos who will00:30:35
really appreciate the essence of what is happening00:30:38
in Ukraine so that they somehow either00:30:41
beat less or stop beating altogether; this is the00:30:44
first task to reduce the level of arbitrariness to00:30:46
limit the arbitrariness of the Russian security forces;00:30:49
task number two, of course, is to achieve an00:30:52
exchange of all for all and the return of all00:30:55
Ukrainians to Ukraine, all Russians to00:30:57
Russia Well, task number three Well, this is already00:30:59
such a program. The maximum, not only for00:31:01
us, it seems to me for the entire00:31:03
civilized world, is of course the end of00:31:05
the war, the end of this00:31:07
occupation and the return of the Russian army to the00:31:09
territory of the Russian Federation According to00:31:12
internationally recognized borders Well this is00:31:14
already a program. Maximum, we are now on00:31:16
earth, we are human rights activists, and we are doing00:31:20
our own little complicated,00:31:23
dangerous thing somewhere, for which we will have to00:31:26
fly from all sides traditionally, but00:31:29
nevertheless, we are doing what we can00:31:31
so that at least one person -to00:31:34
save from torture so that someone is not beaten,00:31:37
someone is not killed, someone is not raped,00:31:39
this is our mission, we have been trying to00:31:41
do this for the thirteenth year in a row, and00:31:43
in particular on the topic of protecting the rights of00:31:45
prisoners of war, we have been doing this for the third00:31:48
year in a row. How there is no gulag And within the framework of00:31:51
unification with Ukrainian journalists and00:31:53
human rights activists, I think that here00:31:55
we will be able to act more00:31:57
effectively and we will also involve00:32:00
human rights activists and journalists in this international movement00:32:03
and, in general, any00:32:05
caring people from different countries of the world,00:32:07
and I think that’s what’s behind this00:32:10
Antigua movement has a great00:32:11
future, you are talking about the monstrous,00:32:14
sadistic, bullying attitude of the00:32:17
Russian security forces, in principle, there are00:32:19
people there who have a little bit of power00:32:21
vested in Russia towards Ukrainian00:32:23
prisoners of war, but I think that it is important and00:32:25
necessary to also talk about the00:32:26
monstrous attitude not only towards strangers00:32:28
but also towards our own at the front and very many times,00:32:31
and you and I also discussed these topics00:32:32
about the mockery of00:32:35
military personnel that occurs there00:32:37
right on the front line, relatively speaking, of00:32:40
mobilized PMC employees and00:32:42
so on, etc., you said yours to00:32:44
prisoners, you have fresh memories of00:32:47
these conversations this00:32:49
bullying continues here, here they00:32:50
also bully their own people, they are sadists even00:32:53
in00:32:54
war 100%00:32:58
of course, in addition to questions about the conditions of00:33:02
detention in Ukrainian captivity in their pre-trial detention centers00:33:05
and colonies, I asked questions about what00:33:07
they saw with their own eyes when they00:33:09
encountered violence in the Russian00:33:12
armies and quite a large number of00:33:16
prisoners were not afraid and talked about00:33:19
what they saw being beaten for not following00:33:22
orders. How but now this word has already00:33:25
come into use. Although I don’t want to00:33:27
say it, but it makes it00:33:34
impossible to follow orders, one of them00:33:36
actually said that when they were brought in,00:33:39
they lined up 100 a person of newly arrived00:33:42
recruits and two servicemen in front of them were00:33:46
simply shot because00:33:49
they violated some internal00:33:51
codes of rules and refused to carry out00:33:54
orders, that is, this system of00:33:56
using violence there and even00:34:00
extrajudicial executions, it persists in the00:34:03
Russian army, it’s scary But also00:34:05
probably more scary is that the other00:34:09
half of the Russians are in captivity, they were afraid to00:34:13
answer questions honestly and asked to00:34:15
remove these questions or even, as it were, not to00:34:17
publish videos of our conversations with them00:34:21
because they are afraid that when they00:34:24
return to Russia they will be imprisoned for a00:34:26
long time and subjected to torture or00:34:29
kill That is, it turns out that00:34:33
they came to Ukraine with weapons in their hands00:34:37
because of some of00:34:39
their arguments, someone under the influence of00:34:42
Russian propaganda, someone for money,00:34:45
someone promised to send them to a construction site because of deception00:34:47
with a machine gun in their hands to00:34:50
the front line But many of them00:34:53
fear that when they return to00:34:55
Russia,00:34:58
torture and cruelty will be used against them simply for00:35:00
telling the truth. That is, Russians in00:35:03
Ukrainian captivity feel00:35:06
freer and safer when talking with00:35:09
human rights activists and journalists than in00:35:12
the future to be free in your own country, this00:35:15
just says a lot about the regime00:35:19
that is established in Russia and says00:35:22
that, of course, the situation in Russia00:35:25
needs to be changed and not go with arms in hand00:35:28
to a foreign country that has chosen the00:35:30
European path of00:35:32
development. How about you? it seems that in the00:35:34
heads of these people, maybe you00:35:36
felt it, saw something in their eyes,00:35:38
now they00:35:41
look at themselves differently at the moment of the decision00:35:45
to go to the front, they answer00:35:48
your question differently about the need for this00:35:50
war, something is happening in their minds00:35:52
Why am I asking because if they have00:35:54
it Maybe it will click, maybe it will00:35:56
click other people in Russia who00:35:58
remain who maybe didn’t go00:36:00
to fight Maybe they can00:36:02
change it for me It seems to me00:36:05
that after communicating with us And we not only00:36:08
communicated with them we We also showed them a 5-00:36:10
minute short clip of the most00:36:13
[music]00:36:14
light footage from Russian torture facilities00:36:17
so that they could simply00:36:19
understand and have the opportunity to compare the00:36:21
attitude towards them in Ukraine and just the00:36:24
attitude in Russia towards Russian00:36:27
prisoners and Ukrainian prisoners and00:36:29
when they saw what was happening there in00:36:33
dungeons, many of them simply,00:36:36
first of all, could not look, took their00:36:38
eyes off the screen, there was a video there00:36:40
for literally 5 minutes, but it was very painful for them, very00:36:44
unpleasant to realize that they were fighting for a00:36:47
country that, in fact, on a00:36:49
systemic basis, people are raped, tortured,00:36:51
tortured and killed00:36:54
and despite the fact that there was no pressure, despite the fact00:36:57
that neither in the room where00:37:00
this interview and conversation took place nor outside the00:37:02
door were there any special forces00:37:05
operatives and so on there was definitely no pressure on them, not00:37:07
one of00:37:10
them said that he did the right thing00:37:15
that he came armed in hand to Ukraine,00:37:18
half of them simply wanted to return and00:37:20
never return to war again,00:37:22
and00:37:23
half of them changed. The look of00:37:26
some of them appeared00:37:28
in their eyes; bitterness began to tremble in their00:37:30
voice when they talked about it and00:37:33
many of them quite sincerely00:37:37
apologized to Ukraine to the Ukrainians It was they who00:37:40
wanted to voice this on their own and almost00:37:43
all of them recorded video messages00:37:46
calling on people like them in Russia00:37:48
to look at their00:37:52
experience in the civil society00:37:58
that they did not take part in this war and00:38:00
I think I hope00:38:02
that the international00:38:05
community will support us in this in this project00:38:08
and such video conversations there will be more00:38:11
When will the opportunity be given to those who00:38:14
were in the Russian army and then in00:38:16
Ukrainian captivity to tell the truth and00:38:19
say what they think, I will00:38:22
emphasize once again, I hope that over time and in the future00:38:26
the sag will come up to us in defiance of us in Russia00:38:29
until they stop beating00:38:32
and torturing and let them in. Let not00:38:35
independent human rights activists and00:38:37
journalists, but at least some kind of state00:38:40
traffickers who will at least00:38:43
visit them there minimally, and at these very00:38:46
moments of visiting before and after00:38:48
that the level there will decrease press00:38:51
pressure in relation to Ukrainian00:38:54
prisoners, I think that it is impossible to change the situation.00:38:57
Although of course I would like to00:38:59
do everything here and now in one day, but I will00:39:02
emphasize once again that we have a magic00:39:04
wand. No, we are the most ordinary people00:39:07
and only we are attacked 100 times00:39:10
more from all sides than on all00:39:13
the others And how do you think you manage to00:39:15
reach people in Russia why am I00:39:18
asking about this? For example, you have00:39:19
such examples when a person was going to00:39:23
the front and saw this on some footage00:39:27
I’ll ask, I’ll write there I don’t know for00:39:30
you in some other way right to the defenders and I00:39:32
’ll just ask, is it true what you’re00:39:34
showing? I’m afraid to go to the front. But00:39:37
really, if I serve later and00:39:39
return to Russia, then I myself will00:39:41
not be accepted by my country, my homeland? Yes, I00:39:44
’ll also definitely go to a colony there and be00:39:47
raped by the employees, everyone has those00:39:49
people who became thoughtful thanks to a00:39:51
video like this, for example, who00:39:52
contacted you even before being sent to the FNT,00:39:56
in fact, the number of people from among00:40:00
the military and from those who wanted to00:40:03
mobilize, someone from Russia copied with us,00:40:05
someone had already left for some00:40:08
Countries there like Armenia, Kazakhstan,00:40:11
Kyrgyzstan, and so on, someone left for00:40:14
Europe, someone from the00:40:16
United States of America00:40:18
contacted us and reported that00:40:20
they had requested political asylum and did not want to00:40:22
return to Russia, someone inside00:40:24
Russia was somehow trying to00:40:26
sabotage00:40:27
there are a large number of people who do not participate one way or another in this00:40:30
criminal war, and00:40:35
it seems to me that the percentage of them00:40:38
who understand, who are aware and who do not want to00:40:40
take part in this, will only00:40:42
increase; here are the latest00:40:44
examples before our eyes: a family of00:40:48
prosecutors there who also left Russia00:40:52
contacted us and told us about it what do they00:40:54
know, they refused to go to the00:40:56
occupied territories to take part00:40:59
in work there as00:41:00
district prosecutors, heads of investigative departments,00:41:03
and so on. That is, for the common00:41:07
person, everything is already very clear to many,00:41:10
and even more so for those people00:41:13
who are inside the system, it is not necessary00:41:16
exclude the power of influence of Rospropaganda,00:41:19
that is, after all, the Internet in Russia00:41:21
is watched by a certain number of00:41:23
percent there I don’t know there 5 1000:41:25
15% more00:41:28
people there are middle-aged, elderly, they00:41:31
still watch the00:41:33
Russian zombie box much more Russian00:41:35
Rospropaganda on television00:41:38
and are already aware of everything just when they00:41:41
find themselves on the front line on the line00:41:44
of contact when they realize how00:41:47
many people are dying, here’s one00:41:50
elderly man from Bashkiria. He00:41:52
said that they were lured there00:41:55
supposedly to a construction site in Crimea, then as a00:41:57
result they were already brought, dressed,00:42:00
sent as soldiers, and from their00:42:03
unit there were three groups of 10000:42:06
people survived, less than 3000:42:08
people remained alive, more than00:42:10
260 remained dead dmi on the battlefield and00:42:15
so he talked about the fact that00:42:18
yes, a lot there they realized and00:42:23
understood, but once again I emphasize that Rospropaganda00:42:27
is doing its poisonous work. That is why it is00:42:29
very important for Rospropaganda to00:42:32
pump Russians are being deceived by00:42:35
their and00:42:41
embittered actions to bring to00:42:43
justice as well as in relation to those00:42:45
who directly commit00:42:48
war crimes and00:42:50
crimes against civilians in the combat zone00:42:52
because the danger of this propaganda is00:42:57
very serious00:43:00
and but for now In addition, several of00:43:02
them have they took away the pitchforks and demolished the cheat YouTube00:43:05
channels. I don’t00:43:07
know anything else about what serious measures have been taken against them00:43:08
at the international level. Although I would like to00:43:10
emphasize once again that they are pushing fragile00:43:14
minds, poorly educated,00:43:19
most of them, of course, will not00:43:21
return; they die there naturally without00:43:23
combat experience and there at the age when they00:43:26
there they don’t even have time to really run and00:43:28
can’t due to their age of six. Well,00:43:33
those who survive then00:43:35
tell us this in their hearts, someone with tears,00:43:37
someone clenching their fists with anger, but the fact of00:43:41
course sobers up and understands, as a00:43:44
rule, already there00:43:48
advanced, but there is again, yes, as it were, a00:43:51
certain percentage of people who know how to00:43:53
analyze have critical laziness00:43:56
have the opportunity to leave. There are also00:43:59
those who, out of hopelessness, our00:44:01
hotline is full of requests from ordinary00:44:06
people who are not some00:44:08
important valuable witnesses for the00:44:10
international investigations that do not00:44:12
have a foreign passport or finances00:44:15
or resources are asking for help. And our00:44:19
resources, to put it mildly, are very00:44:21
modest and we cannot, of course,00:44:24
help everyone, so I would like to take this opportunity00:44:27
if you allow Rinat, I have long wanted00:44:29
to do this, but it is better to do it even on00:44:31
your channel and not on mine I wanted to00:44:34
apologize to all those who asked for00:44:36
our help and to whom we did not reach00:44:39
and who did not have enough strength and means to help us.00:44:44
Everyone who00:44:47
turned to us in one way or another hoped for help, but did00:44:49
not receive a timely response and00:44:51
quick help, this is our heavy cross It’s00:44:54
hard for us to live with this. Sorry to everyone who00:44:59
couldn’t get our help. Unfortunately, I’ll once00:45:01
again emphasize the number of requests is00:45:04
hundreds of times greater than the number of our00:45:06
resources and capabilities. Therefore, I apologize to00:45:08
everyone who we couldn’t00:45:12
get out of there on time.00:45:13
In this case, I also want to00:45:16
apologize to those people who00:45:18
approach me personally, also as a person00:45:20
who is engaged in human rights protection00:45:22
in a slightly different direction, LGBT00:45:26
assistance is simply not available to everyone. Unfortunately, a00:45:28
terrible phrase reaches everyone’s hands, hands should00:45:30
reach everyone, but sometimes there is simply not00:45:32
enough time and resources, including00:45:34
financial ones including just00:45:36
human beings to embrace everything00:45:39
that I would like to embrace, I want to embrace00:45:41
everything, but unfortunately there are simply not enough00:45:43
24 hours in a day00:45:46
or zeros in bank accounts to00:45:49
help everyone. To whom this help, of course, is00:45:51
needed and important, we say let it be00:45:54
Renat Yes thank you too for saying00:45:58
these important words, I’m here too, I can00:46:01
join this once again and00:46:03
in this direction, among other things. I want to00:46:05
say that so that no one has any00:46:09
illusions there. I know that there is no talk about the gulag because of00:46:12
our - fame popularity00:46:14
they write various fables about me,00:46:17
attributing to us cooperation with the FSB, then with the00:46:21
CIA, then C6, then with the French services, then00:46:24
with the Ukrainian ones, I can honestly tell everyone00:46:27
here and I’m ready to pass any Polygraph there,00:46:29
we have never had any00:46:32
government funding there from00:46:34
any country in Russia or any00:46:36
other country, we are truly an00:46:38
independent human rights project, we are00:46:40
supported by donations due00:46:43
to the fact that people transfer and00:46:46
help us And we do not have any powerful00:46:50
source of funding from one or00:46:52
several countries it doesn’t matter whether it’s the West or00:46:54
any other country. Therefore, at the same time, the00:46:57
FSB agents periodically00:46:59
specifically attack us and00:47:01
sometimes00:47:03
throw out obvious lies to discredit us, trying to00:47:07
present us as, you know, either00:47:08
billionaires or millionaires who are00:47:11
swimming in gold, driving Rolls-Royces,00:47:13
receiving a huge amount of Western00:47:15
grants and with this money they are fattening in00:47:18
biri and so on. This, unfortunately, is not true;00:47:26
we don’t have any billions or even millions, and here, on the contrary, just if00:47:28
possible, this video will be watched by people00:47:31
who have a large amount of resources00:47:33
and opportunities, no matter in which country in the00:47:35
world Let them contact with us and we00:47:39
will talk about how00:47:41
to help even more00:47:42
people on transparent, honest terms because the list of people00:47:45
who are waiting for our help is huge and00:47:47
there are a number of different areas of00:47:49
human rights protection and our00:47:51
investigations into war crimes,00:47:54
torture and Grant corruption, all this00:47:58
requires strength, therefore if one of the00:48:00
powerful and wealthy people00:48:03
wants to help, or maybe even00:48:05
lead some direction there and00:48:07
co-finance Welcome 24 by 7 in00:48:10
touch, the more people join forces00:48:13
in this important big business, the more00:48:15
people we can00:48:17
help, you see, yes these words of00:48:20
mutual assistance and unification of efforts sound before they00:48:23
talked about the fact that we are fighting00:48:25
propaganda, which is not hate, but00:48:28
it so happened that in recent days00:48:30
we have been talking about the fact that we00:48:31
cannot even unite these efforts with each other and it is00:48:34
not Propaganda that is fueling the atmosphere of hatred00:48:36
Well, we ourselves, by we I00:48:39
mean, well, here we are, opposition00:48:42
journalists, streamers, people who00:48:44
work in the tube after the virtual00:48:46
destruction of the system of journalism00:48:48
that was in Russia before the war,00:48:51
adequate00:48:55
journalists, space and now we see a00:48:58
film of a traitor that is being released by colleagues00:49:00
from colleagues from friends and I will continue to00:49:03
call these people friends, colleagues,00:49:05
because we are still fighting for00:49:08
some common idea. Yes, we are fighting for00:49:10
the war to end and for the00:49:12
Putin regime to no longer have power in Russia, but00:49:15
nevertheless, the film is coming out: traitors and00:49:17
this very word traitors00:49:19
makes me feel sick, I admit, I haven’t00:49:20
watched it, I can’t, I can’t force myself00:49:22
because I understand that it will be very00:49:24
painful for me to watch all this, but even calling the00:49:27
film traitors and the intonation in the promo00:49:29
video that I watched made me00:49:31
so upset and I00:49:33
'm so scared that the word traitor is used by the00:49:35
Kremlin and Propaganda We are fighting them Yes,00:49:37
these Bolshevik notes are from00:49:40
Skobeev, they sound like this every day On00:49:42
the air, this is this, this is settling00:49:44
accounts with00:49:45
the past, I was scared to even watch it,00:49:48
I don’t know if you watched it, but I it was00:49:50
important to ask you this question What do you00:49:52
think about this because again we00:49:53
can’t unite in any way no00:49:55
creation00:49:56
[music]00:49:57
we call for there is no complicity in a00:50:01
single struggle there is no And we are again with each00:50:03
other, what’s wrong with us Well,00:50:07
first of all, I’m with I agree with you on the title.00:50:09
I don’t like this kind of rhetoric. When00:50:12
even in the opposition00:50:15
environment this kind of security officer word comes,00:50:19
after which you need to immediately take out a00:50:22
Mauser Iligan to shoot someone00:50:26
and so00:50:28
on. If we talk about real00:50:33
traitors to the interests of the Russian people,00:50:35
then of course they start us there from a photograph of00:50:37
Putin of his entourage and so on, but yes,00:50:41
these are not the same words, they are war criminals,00:50:44
murderers, Granny00:50:47
corrupt officials, the title seems so provocative to me,00:50:49
maybe this is some kind of00:50:51
trend to please some00:50:53
part of the people in Russia, the00:50:57
film itself, I’ll be honest, In the archives00:51:00
there is no gulag, there is such a large amount of Important00:51:03
information that it is unlikely that someone from FBK00:51:06
or somewhere will show me something new and00:51:08
open my eyes to the essence of what is happening00:51:11
inside Russia there for the last 10-1500:51:14
years about what happened in the nineties. I am also00:51:16
very I remember well00:51:18
And when, on the contrary, I meet some00:51:22
people, let’s say liberals, such the first00:51:27
waves were there in the early nineties00:51:29
in the mid-nineties and00:51:32
when they now say something in rainbow00:51:36
colors about the nineties, for example,00:51:38
they say for me the nineties were the00:51:41
real thing trash, it was poverty, it00:51:44
was gang wars I grew up there in00:51:48
Samara, this is exactly there Samara Tagliati00:51:50
Samara region in the nineties, three AvtoVAZ oil refineries00:51:53
and so on, a huge number of00:51:55
murder gangs on the streets of00:51:58
lawlessness, the cruelest pressure huts in the pre-trial detention center of00:52:04
Samara in the nineties,00:52:07
human rights were grossly violated They killed00:52:09
journalists, they killed00:52:11
deputies, the same Galina Starovoytova,00:52:14
who proposed to twice pass a00:52:16
bill on lustration, which would00:52:18
put an end to attempts at reaction00:52:22
and a return to power. The Chekists and the00:52:26
State Security Service killed her; they killed Vladislav00:52:29
Listyev, one of the most famous00:52:30
Russian journalists who tried to00:52:33
do nothing there in Russia I know the United00:52:36
States of Russia there is a second America and to00:52:39
instill in us the opportunity to think00:52:42
and reflect freely in the nineties there were terrible00:52:45
cruel tortures, I remember one of our00:52:47
last personal conversations, a decent00:52:50
meeting, we then had lunch with Boris00:52:52
Efimovich Nemtsov when he just00:52:57
had the opportunity for democracy, I eat00:52:59
told that in camps in00:53:03
Guin colonies in the Nizhny Novgorod region00:53:06
where he was00:53:07
the governor, new stages were met with00:53:09
shovel handles with wooden sticks,00:53:12
people were beaten, broken cruelly and killed,00:53:15
despite the fact that the governor was a real00:53:17
democrat and a wonderful tennis player and00:53:20
friend,00:53:26
go into this story Let’s talk00:53:29
about the film, I’m definitely not a good00:53:32
film critic not a professional in this part It00:53:34
seems to me that in any case,00:53:36
what the team of Alexei Navalny and00:53:38
Maria singers did makes sense for everyone to watch,00:53:41
at least from the point of view of seeing00:53:44
FBK’s view of the past. Probably this is important to00:53:48
understand them better because00:53:51
no matter how cool and fbk and singers and wolves and00:53:55
alburs, this is00:53:57
what was left after the murder of00:54:01
Alexei Navalny, part of the team is00:54:03
quite a large part, this is still00:54:06
one of the components of the Russian00:54:07
opposition, someone can agree with them on everything,00:54:10
someone can00:54:13
idolize them, someone on the contrary may00:54:15
hate them, but this is part of the Russian00:54:17
opposition, the part is effective, bright, so we do00:54:22
n’t always agree with them. In and I don’t00:54:24
agree,00:54:27
even they didn’t behave very ethically00:54:30
last year towards us, well, God will be their00:54:33
judge, in any case, I probably00:54:35
need to look. And I, too, from from the beginning to the end and not just00:54:37
briefly as I watched it, I need to00:54:39
watch it all and wait for the release of all the00:54:41
episodes to watch it, but I think00:54:45
that unfortunately it turned out this way for some reason,00:54:48
this is all of us, so I now have the00:54:51
collective mind of the Russian opposition,00:54:53
civil society in exile and the00:54:55
remnants of civil society society in Russia00:54:57
has drawn us into a circle of discussion about the nineties00:55:01
and drive a wedge between us so that we once00:55:04
again Well, in Russian, they are over and divided00:55:08
into those who idolize the nineties, who00:55:10
hate them, who speak about them quite00:55:12
realistically instead of00:55:14
uniting Here and now once again I’ll00:55:16
emphasize the question, it’s not in the nineties that00:55:19
Ukrainians are killed, Russians are killed in 2022, 2023 and00:55:24
2024, this year it was their00:55:28
leader and their leader Alexei00:55:30
Anatolyevich00:55:32
Navalny who was killed, I told the00:55:34
guys from FBK more than once when we worked in the same00:55:37
Omega Plaza office center on00:55:40
Avtozavodskaya, we rode in the same elevators and had00:55:43
lunch in the same cafes and00:55:46
restaurants there, I told them about the need to00:55:48
join forces; it’s impossible to fight00:55:51
corruption without fighting the arbitrariness00:55:54
of the security forces with torture and so on, and I do00:55:59
n’t know whether it can be called an00:56:01
irony of fate or an evil00:56:03
coincidence, but the same Alexey00:56:05
Anatolyevich Navalny was not killed by00:56:06
corruption. He was killed by torture and the cruelty of the00:56:10
Russian security system, despite the fact that00:56:12
he fought against corruption. And about the topic of00:56:15
torture. Well, if I mentioned it, then once a00:56:17
year, by chance, about someone00:56:20
slightly. It seems to me that we have now all00:56:23
come to the line00:56:26
Yes, what is needed is not some kind of Russian00:56:29
opposition or some Ukrainian civil00:56:32
society or some French00:56:33
or American one. It seems to me that we00:56:36
are at a historical moment when the00:56:39
time has come to create international00:56:41
resistance. And you know, I have many times00:56:45
drawn analogies with the situation there with00:56:48
Star Wars And in my00:56:50
previous office there was a Mandalorian helmet00:56:53
behind me, I don’t know, over time I’ll move there,00:56:55
as if I’ll transport it all here, here he’ll00:56:58
stand. I want to say that this Saga teaches00:57:02
us all and shows us that00:57:06
we can only defeat this absolute evil by uniting efforts without00:57:09
differences in the shape of the nose, the neck, the color of the skin,00:57:14
and so on. And here for me, Putin00:57:17
today personifies the real evil;00:57:20
he is a Dictator; he is a Tyrant;00:57:31
scolds them and00:57:34
who is telling the truth about them? It seems to me00:57:36
that the time has come to unite to00:57:38
create this big00:57:40
resistance. And who else but the00:57:42
team of Alexei Navalny will understand this00:57:45
when their leader, their friend, their00:57:48
colleague, is killed? In my opinion, I hope that it00:57:50
will evolve in 2024 year we will come to the point00:57:55
that the Russian opposition itself will unite,00:57:58
unite, unite with those people00:58:00
who are against the war in Russia and will be able to00:58:03
join forces with Ukraine, Europe,00:58:06
America, and so on. And if we now seem to00:58:09
find a thousand and00:58:11
one more reasons there, another reason in00:58:14
order to build some kind of00:58:21
[ __ ] assembly it will be doomed and00:58:24
hopeless00:58:27
and I understand that many critics will00:58:29
now tell me that censorship cannot be introduced00:58:31
and people can make films about00:58:33
anything and it’s true if you want to00:58:35
criticize the nineties you can and should00:58:38
criticize the nineties sadly it’s different It’s00:58:41
sad that I want to unite efforts00:58:42
for a united fight against evil, but so far it’s00:58:44
only possible to separate these efforts,00:58:47
and that’s solely why I’m raising this topic and00:58:49
not because I want to00:58:53
criticize the friends I consider.00:58:55
Of course, it’s very important because I want to00:58:57
somehow form a united front to go against Putin00:58:59
and not to divide this front in order to00:59:01
create small fronts of battle00:59:03
with each other. I think that this is exactly what you,00:59:05
Volodya, are actually worried about right now and00:59:07
say thank you for this conversation for00:59:09
more than an hour. You and I have already been chatting; it’s time to00:59:11
end, considering that the time of the00:59:14
program’s release and the air is already running out thanks00:59:17
for the conversation, as always, it was a pleasure00:59:18
to spend time on this broadcast, thank00:59:20
you and good luck in your work e Peaceful skies above your00:59:23
head to everyone who is watching Thank you00:59:27
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and I encourage you to subscribe to the00:59:33
Khodorkovsky Live channel Thank you for being with us00:59:35
Thank you for staying We00:59:38
'll definitely see you on the air, like this00:59:40
video, comment and probably00:59:44
spend more time fighting obvious00:59:46
evil than fighting each other00:59:51
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