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Начало
1:00
Что делал Станислав Белковский в 1999 году?
6:45
Как Станислав Белковский относится к заявлениям о его причастности к взрывам домов в 1999-м?
9:11
Когда стало понятно, что Путин — это война?
12:24
Что происходит с Кадыровым?
16:51
Что будет с Чечнёй, если Кадыров умрёт?
18:56
Кто сейчас самый влиятельный в России?
23:04
Изменилась ли роль Путина после начала войны?
25:57
Про концепцию объединения Европы, США и России в «Единый Север»
27:53
Реагирует ли Путин на публикации Суркова?
29:15
О ситуации вокруг Варданяна
33:22
Отвернётся ли Армения от России?
36:07
Про связь Собчак и Кадырова
41:47
Как можно охарактеризовать Украину с политической точки зрения?
44:59
Освободилась ли Украина от влияния олигархов?
46:32
Про выборы в России в 2024 году
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Honesty in which we meet with
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interesting guests we discuss all the most
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important things that are happening around us all the
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once again I encourage everyone to do this. Today
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we will have a conversation in this program
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live with Stanislav Belkovsky,
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writer, political scientist, political strategist a
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man whose many merits we
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will talk to him today Stanislav Good
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morning
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Good morning everyone I was thinking where to start and I
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probably still can’t help but ask
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you about just such a topic, a topic
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related to the explosion of houses in 99,
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for sure Yesterday everyone was tortured
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trying to get your comment aren’t you
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the initiator of these terrible events, as
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they write in a report on the website of one
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American fintech, which says
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that Berezovsky, together with Putin,
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came up with all this and carried it out as the
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author of the idea And who suggested it all to them
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was none other than Stanislav Belkovsky,
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what is your answer to this how did you feel
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about this publication And you and what did you
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do in 1999
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Where were you all these 24 years
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along the way I firstly
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take this opportunity to remember how on the
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Field of Miracles I enjoy very much I say
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hello to distant relatives there
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I urge you to subscribe to my channel
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Belkovsky where Yesterday in the Good
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Night Malyshit program, the question was
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discussed quite a bit, now let’s move on to the meaning of what
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is happening is that this is an article by analyst
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Robert, who remains an
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official employee of the US State Department,
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this is perhaps the only thing that
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makes it really discussed
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until 2017, he was the deputy director of the
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US Intelligence Department, the
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bombing of houses in Moscow, Volgodonsk
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Buynaksky in September 1999.
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According to one version, these explosions
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became the reason for the second Chechen war,
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which was led by Vladimir Putin, and according to the
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author of the text, the sources, in
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particular of the late
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Alexander Litvinenko, a former employee killed in 2006,
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could have been organized by Boris
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Berezovsky and the then Minister of
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Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir
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do not help Vladimir Putin
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create the
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elections of 2000 because
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Berezovsky does not want to
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see Vladimir Putin at all, they wanted to take
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a timeout for this and the Kremlin is a
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bunch of Bibles for me because with the reference of the
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same Alexander of Lithuania in
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2005 with American scientists
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it is stated that I was an ideologist this is an
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operation with explosions This
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good already for the films of the Coen brothers and
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Everyone goes crazy in their own way there Seimar
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Kharj with his northern ranks in their own way to
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type almost the whole story we
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can say the following I remember quite well
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that in ninety-nine I
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actually collaborated with Boris
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Berezovsky in the project of creating a
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unity bloc he same bear bear So
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I have a regional movement, unity,
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presidential elections, I have no
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relation at all
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to the unity bloc, also very
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relatively, but nevertheless I am passionate and
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but I often communicated then with the Berezovskys and
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some other people, and therefore I
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remember how everything was really like that in
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early September there was no confidence that
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Vladimir Putin would be able to win the
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presidential elections, although he was the
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absolute favorite, certainly at the bet of the
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Kremlin,
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therefore the very idea of ​​​​postponing the
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presidential elections was discussed, I do not
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exclude the Chechen war, respectively, the
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previous explosions if they were
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not carried out because officially the consequences of
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one of its possible goals was the postponement
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but then, by the middle of the second half,
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so that it became
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completely clear that Putin might have
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elections, there was a sharp jump in his
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popularity of the women’s war, as well as a
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big contrast between the young
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active similar Putin and, on the one
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hand, the sick Boris Yeltsin, on
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the other hand, also not young, apparently not
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very healthy
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propaganda that Boris Berezovsky played a
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significant role in making sure that
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Putin is also old and sick, so
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you can’t bet on him, and many liked this, the
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sick president who personally
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works with documents and balances
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on the brink of life and death,
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all the key decisions On these issues were made by
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Boris Nikolaevich’s family Yeltsin in
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the person of Valentin Borisovich Yumashev,
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Yeltsin’s informal son and his own
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formal daughter, in fact, Tatyana
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Borisovna Dyachenko Boris Berezovsky was
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in the wings, he was important, but still rather a
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political strategist of this project, not a
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person who determines its
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outline, so who to bet on,
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what is the scenario of Putin’s behavior towards power
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in which the Chechen war
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certainly played a key decisive role, all
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this was decided by the Yeltsin family and maybe
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today, when the question arises about the
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responsibility of these people for Vladimir
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Putin, he organized the fourth world
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war, well, I’m inclined to classify this
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as exactly how the
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Yeltsin family wants to get a little
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excuse for all this and show
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that no, in general there are some gloomy things going on
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with Russian history that are not
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connected in any way, just an assumption, they
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rule out the initiative which
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Well, you are a little flattered as a human being,
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like Poly, a technopathic Media player, that
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you are being brought into this story and called
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not just what - an ordinary
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participant, an ideologist of these terrible
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events, is a little bit like Orel
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putting omnipotence on Stanislav
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Belkovsky, or do you treat this with
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hostility because the topic is still
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quite serious and not very pleasant,
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I treat it indifferently since
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no one will believe it anyway, seriously
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analysts like the minimum of those who
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really know the situation as it
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was in the late 90s and how Vladimir
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Putin came to power,
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maybe someone will believe it, but it is unlikely that
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the point of view of such people can be
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significant in this context,
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then this is all
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Alexander’s version Valternatinenko from my
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involvement if you believe Robert his
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sources uh which was set out in
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2005 2005 another context is
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immediately after the Orange Revolution in
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Ukraine where Berezovsky’s muses also
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took some part Not decisive,
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well Berezovsky is more significant and the exchange is
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significant but somehow took and
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when there were quite a few people willing to come forward,
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then this version arose, that is, then
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someone wanted to slap Berezovsky with the hands of the Anglo-Saxon
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justice and a bunch of
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me too. Although a much less
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significant
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interesting character, nevertheless, this is why
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this is a
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projection of the events of those years, but I am
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not at all happy with the omnipotence As
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you say, because And if you are
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suspected of gang rape, this
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too, rejoice at this version that everyone,
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so to speak, is thus emphasized
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in sexual potential No, hardly yes And
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especially since I have long moved away from
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political technology, I am more busy with issues of
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religion and philosophy and that’s all contexts are of
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little interest to me, they are interesting to me
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only from one point of view, but how it
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really was in the late nineties,
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where I was just petty, because
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nothing special is connected with me.
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But remember who brought Putin to power,
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why did Putin fulfill his
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obligations to those who, according to his
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authority, in my opinion, did it, and so
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on. This, of course, from the historical point
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of view of the state of my father’s point of view, is
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very important, including for answering the
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question: was the current
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big war inevitable? In my opinion, yes it was
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inevitable from the very beginning from the point of view of the
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most logic the birth and formation of the
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Putin regime,
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continuing for the Yeltsin regime, it
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became clear about something Stanislav
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when it became clear that yes Putin This is
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war. I understand that now we are
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doing it in hindsight. The conclusion is that it has always been. And
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when you began to become a reality,
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not only a Russian person, but also people
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In general, this is
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not just an everyday truth
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corresponding to
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Belkovsky, according to which
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banality is bad for everyone except one. It is
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usually true
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historical
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prophets. Clairvoyants who can understand
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where history will go, most
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people, including the vast
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majority of official status
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titular analysts, are
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not endowed with such abilities, they can only
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understand trends and to retrospectively evaluate
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how it would have been my confidence
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that Putin is obliged to build a big war
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happened in 2016, I published
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Putin’s article on this topic quite nervously in the
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publication, I
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tried to remove it from this site
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because Putin was obliged to
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lead to the destruction of the system that
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Seriously serves or at the level of the
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psychology of the unconscious, this always
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led to great success, the collapse of the
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Soviet Union because he became the
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second person in the city of St. Petersburg, a
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wealthy influential person, the
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collapse of the administration of Anatoly Sobchak
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in St. Petersburg because he became
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the President of Russia, and so on,
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respectively, the collapse of the Russian
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Federation in that the form in which it is
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Boris Yeltsin, that is, a democratic
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country with reservations
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in the American-centric world, should also
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bring Putin, in his opinion, to new
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even according to the unconscious
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idea of ​​​​the world to new
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energy levels should become
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great as never before, he will be
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seen today as he is being killed by the isolation of
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the Russian Federation by the fact that the country is
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not becoming at all what
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Yeltsin ordered to protect it on December 31,
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1999, now
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lethal isolated states
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that seem to have nothing in common
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with the West and refuse to be part of the
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Americans’ personal world, but there are also
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considerations of a
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simpler pragmatic order. The fact is
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that Putin was brought to power
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as the expressive energy of the people
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and sentiment together and revenge for the
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90s, he was the spokesman for those who lost
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those Russians, these are tens of millions of people
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who were angry at the 90s of the twentieth century, the
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costs of their social capital, as
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founder Yuri Shevchuk brilliantly said in this DDT group yesterday you were the
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master of the empire And now Putin’s orphan
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the leader of the party of those who yesterday was the
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master of the empire is now an orphan the people
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who led him to power supported him
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for many years, including the Russian system
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liberals, believed that all this was a sham, a
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decoration Well, to keep people
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everywhere in fact nothing like that will
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happen, there will be a movement in the real
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direction of totalitarianism and war,
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because totalitarianism and war are
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revenge for the nineties, this happened
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a mask of growth to the face of those dark energies
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on which Putin came to power, they
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ultimately took over and he became an
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exponent of the very in fact, and not only in the
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propaganda PR plane, and in this
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sense, of course, the
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apotheosis of revenge is
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concentrated Energy and sentiment, a
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big war was inevitable
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and sometimes Stanislav your permission to
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today to today I will lead
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to a discussion of what is happening now
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in Russian politics I would like to hear
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your assessment of all this the madness of
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what is happening in particular around the figure of
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Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen
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Republic, a man who was previously
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considered
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untouchable by many and who plays by his own
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rules, which only he is allowed to
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now, there is a lot of talk around his
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state of health, a lot of speculation on
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this topic Well, the whole Putin was pulled out in
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order to refute the theory about the poor
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condition of Ramzan Kadyrov, Ksenia Sobchak
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was involved in everything, I want to
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ask you what is happening now with
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Ramzan, not only with his health
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in general with the figure of Ramzan Kadyrov with the
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political player with the Personality of Ramzan
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Kadyrov, what are we now seeing, what
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assessment can we give
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of Ramzan Kadyrov as killed recently,
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Yevgeny Prigozhin has always been an important
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part of Putin’s power machine
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as a bad guy Bad Guy, that is, a
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person who can informally carry out the
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Kremlin’s tasks, including very dirty ones, instead of
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Vladimir Putin being officially
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involved in this from the order, there is no
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need for the person to just pick up and disappear or was killed,
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so to speak, than even in the center of Moscow,
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but Putin had nothing to do with it, and Ramzan
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Kadyrov certainly
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took an exclusive place in
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Vladimir Putin’s entourage. In addition, it is also
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associated with the pacification of Chechnya. In
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principle, Putin loves geis, but he already
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loved Evgeniy fit trusted him in the house of
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Kizha this it’s just that everything changed on June 24,
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according to them, it was possible the same and the sledgehammer
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was allowed Prigogine correctly, everyone was
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terribly indignant about him, they could
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n’t care less and let him support him in this
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Because Putin really likes to
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use it to troll
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his opponents
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And in general, if something- then he demands from him that he
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must do exactly the opposite
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under pressure Yes, just like when, after the events
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on Bolotnaya Square and Sakharov Avenue, the
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activists of these events demanded
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vertical social mobility in the
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movement of new people to government
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positions. Putin responded with this appointment of the
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head of the Ural wagon workshop of the Igor Kholmanskikh plant
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in the Poluprinsky federal district. that
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same Mr. Kholmansky was going to
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gather a team of workers from the Ural carriage
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of the plant and beat people on the square of
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So and Kadyrov Avenue which he would present to the
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public and Western partners and
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tell them not to say that
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this is mine Live What is called this is a
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very Putin style this is the style of
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Gangster Petersburg which Vladimir
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with his team they brought big
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Russian politics not so much to the
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USSR as many suspect, since
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Putin is a product of a much greater
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degree of Gangster Petersburg than
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later Soviet intelligence services, the very
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fact that the whole Putin acted
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to refute rumors of death,
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the state of Ramzan Kadyrov’s match
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suggests that with whose health
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everything is not simple, to put it mildly, otherwise you
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Putin didn’t need it didn’t need to
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follow up on a PR company and
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the publication of a scandalous video with the
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shooting down of Nikita Zhuravel by Kadyrov’s 15-year-old
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son Adam Ramzach, which was
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recognized. Divert attention from the
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health issues of the head of Chechnya to show that the head of
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Chechnya as before, everything is possible in the Russian
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Federation, he is absolutely untouchable, his
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power is unlimited. Therefore, if someone
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talks too much about this, the
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same thing will happen to him as to Nikita
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Zhuravel or Boris Nemtsov. That’s the point of
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this whole company. Besides, as we
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know, Vladimir Vladimirovich the bill
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promised a new mosque in Moscow in South
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Butovo, which Ramzan Kadyrov presents
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to his people as a victory because
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Ramzan of whom was very much this whole
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company is very largely
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oriented neither to the West nor to you and
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me, not to Putin’s opponents Anna the
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Chechen people in which there are many
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ill-wishers during the Ramzan matches, any
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weakening of it could be a signal for
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large-scale destabilization, which
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Kadyrov himself understands, what his patron
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Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin understands, therefore
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Kadyrov always needs to bring Gifts
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in his teeth to his People so as not to
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show, thereby I have no
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alternative, only I can kill
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that kind of money from Moscow only I can, only I
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can wipe the feet of the capital’s elite,
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only I can call Putin on the carpet,
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in fact, when I need it, if I’m
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not there, then what will happen here is an
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action in the Kremlin that ended with the promise of a
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new mosque, this link in the same chain,
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right now the news has come that
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Grozny has been appointed the cultural capital of
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Russia in 2025, that is, also separated by a
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comma after the story with the South
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Butovo mosque, the hero city of Grozny will also be the cultural capital of Russia
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in the near future.
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Then, continuing the topic
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with Kadyr, I want to ask what will happen if,
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well, hypothetically, tomorrow Ramzan
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will not be What what will happen to the Chechen Republic
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next after excommunication from
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power for various reasons,
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health status or maybe suddenly some
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political decision of Vladimir Putin and
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Ramzan Kadyrov does not become What will happen
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to the republic
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based on Putin’s political decision
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Ramzan will not disappear anywhere
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since he is the most important element of the Putin
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system authorities, Putin is holding on to him,
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what he showed at yesterday’s meeting from the
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Kremlin, which was marked by a kind of
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iconic and symbolic triumph of the head of
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Chechnya, he is not only alive and well, but
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it turns out that he is also a mosque, the
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cultural capital of Russia 2025, which we
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just said, and so on, but for all
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other reasons both natural and
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unnatural Ramzan Akhmat
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can naturally disappear, understand the official
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successors for today. This is Adam
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Sultan Dilemkhanov, deputy of the
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State Duma and Magomed Daudov,
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against forgiveness, forgot his speaker of the
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Chechen parliament, who, however, must
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hold power until they are
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fully mature for the first to put his
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sons in First of all, those who became Akhmat,
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we can also remember that at the wedding of
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Akhmat Ramzanovich Kadyrov, who is
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now 18 years old, Putin personally met with him,
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that is, this is a wedding
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gift for his father, a meeting with the President of
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the Russian Federation,
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and
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this whole structure can only stand
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if Kadyrov is
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completely restored control the situation in
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Chechnya where, again, there are many dissatisfied
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among those families and clans that were
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infringed upon by Kadyrov’s rule, where
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a lot of people died. These people are
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partly in Russia and partly outside. But
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this will lead one way or another
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to destabilization, not the fact that the formal
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successor of which keeps the situation
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under control
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I have question,
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continue the topic of these Untouchables, a
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question for you as a person who, it
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seems to me, sees the big picture and
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can
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determine who is who on the political map of Russia. And
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who is now in 2023, wartime, that
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is, there is a difference between Russia before February 24 and
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Russia the current Putin's Russia, its
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political map, who is now the most
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influential and the strongest and
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controls all of us, somehow it was generally accepted
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that there is Kiriyenko, who
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controls and leads the whole game; it was generally
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accepted that there are
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security forces who can do a little more than the
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rest, but well, after February 24,
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2023 who passes the rules of the game Who is the leader
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in this race who is worth following and
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evaluating every step The
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rules of the game are created by Putin himself because
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in his fundamental philosophy the strategy
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is not to put your eggs in one basket
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tell the
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key clans several, none of them is
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total and not one hundred percent on the one
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hand from the clan that
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directly conducts the special operation Z. This is
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Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov, all of them
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are large businessmen, they are
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closed on the one hand by the family of Boris
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Yeltsin on the other hand by Gennady
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Timchenko, a long-time and key business
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partner of Vladimir Putin, there is the
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Kovalchuk clan to which, in fact,
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belongs to Sergei Kiriyenko, he
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is not a separate independent
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player and an integral part of the Kovalchuk plan
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Mikhail Kovalchuk, by the way,
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Mikhail Kovalchuk has just been led by the Kruchatsky
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Institute called on Putin to resume
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nuclear tests to say nuclear
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Blackmail was this means it will be and will remain an
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important element of Vladimir Putin’s bargaining
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with the West regarding
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his satisfaction conditions, the
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Kolchuks are responsible for internal politics,
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media science and technology, here they are the
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undivided rulers, it was necessary to
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actually multiply the Russian
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Academy of Sciences by zero,
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and so on, almost all major
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Smiths to that extent are today
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under their direct or skeletal control, with the
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rare exception of
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large construction infrastructure
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projects, just remember the Crimean
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bridge
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there are several FSB clans at once.
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In addition, I have any any group of
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influence in modern Russia, any plan
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close to Vladimir Putin, he
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has an extensive network
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of his own bureaucrats
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controlled by this particular clan and
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law enforcement agencies and in civilian
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ministries, this is the only thing the
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stability of this type of clan can do Well, by the way,
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Roman Abramovich remains an important figure
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as the embodiment of Boris Yeltsin’s family,
00:21:42
together they have not gone anywhere. Yes, their
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influence is not the same as more than a few years ago
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when they brought Putin to power and,
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say, controlled 60 percent of the
00:21:51
first government of the first Putin
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government by Mikhail Kasyanov, but
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Roman Akach remains Abramovich remains
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not only an important window to the world for Putin, a
00:22:00
negotiator on sensitive
00:22:02
issues with various external players,
00:22:04
allegedly from such a pseudo-liberal position, he has
00:22:09
forgotten almost no one, but in any case,
00:22:12
the moderator of this whole story remains
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personally. Well, there is a Russian Guard
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there in the form of director Vasilyevich
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snatching gold a game that is in a
00:22:20
loyal relationship with Ramzan matches
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Kadyrov, they can be considered to a
00:22:24
certain extent partners,
00:22:25
both political and economic, so one way
00:22:27
or another, the moderator of all these
00:22:28
stories remains Vladimir Putin and
00:22:30
to say that he is a Hostage of
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one of the clans or at least part of it I
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forgot to mention, of course, the clan of Nikolai
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Platonovich Patrusha, the son of Dmitry
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Nikolaevich Patrushev, who deals with a
00:22:40
variety of issues from geopolitics
00:22:43
to agriculture, now completely
00:22:44
given over, and agriculture
00:22:46
is the whole Universe and fertilizer. The deal
00:22:49
is also a lot, a lot of things that concern
00:22:52
Vladimir Putin in the first place, but
00:22:53
Putin remains key anyway for the
00:22:55
feat of the scammer is called the key
00:22:57
moderator of this system
00:22:59
to assume that he is some kind of passive
00:23:02
instrument In whose hands nothing has changed
00:23:04
and nothing has changed, that is, from the point of view of
00:23:07
the role of Putin, before we
00:23:09
called him arn, it was generally accepted that
00:23:11
Putin is the arbiter between these clans are
00:23:12
inferior and specifically control
00:23:14
the situation So that one of the others does not gobble up
00:23:16
and there is some kind of stability after the war
00:23:19
after the start of a full-scale invasion
00:23:21
of Ukraine, the situation has not changed Vladimir
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Putin is still a deterrent
00:23:25
for all groups and how they behave We have
00:23:28
not heard that alone for a long time somehow
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watered down others, some kind of squabble under the
00:23:32
carpet of all this, as if there
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is no reason now why Putin said Quietly,
00:23:38
during the war, everyone needs to show loyalty or are
00:23:39
we simply not noticing something,
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absolutely? Back in the spring of last year,
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a big one began
00:23:51
with the failures of the Russian armed forces
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in Ukraine it was sold then,
00:23:56
of course, Evgeniy Prigozhin became the main one and it’s
00:23:59
unlikely that anyone would have dealt with it better than him. After Prigozhin’s
00:24:01
death, the company went down,
00:24:04
no, we don’t see it on that scale, but mutual
00:24:09
hatred exists and the struggle
00:24:10
continues permanently. Moreover, it
00:24:12
cannot stop because for some reason
00:24:13
clan directly if some plan stops
00:24:16
fighting with others, he will simply be eaten
00:24:17
not destroyed Unfortunately, but
00:24:21
fundamentally the role of the path has not changed in
00:24:22
this sense, the key players in his
00:24:23
environment are interested in him The legend is
00:24:26
that they want to remove him And thereby
00:24:28
draw a line under uh, a big war
00:24:31
has no basis; if they remove him, they
00:24:33
will shoot each other, and the war in any
00:24:35
case is the priority area of
00:24:37
responsibility of him, those around him
00:24:39
proceed from the fact that as long as Putin is alive, everything
00:24:41
will be as now we have to
00:24:43
put up with it, since
00:24:45
these plans will exist outside this system of power they can’t
00:24:47
Even those people who are seeking the lifting of
00:24:49
sanctions from themselves in the European Union are not ready to
00:24:51
completely dissociate themselves publicly from
00:24:53
Vladimir Putin to discuss the war, this
00:24:55
can be done by individual people like Oleg
00:24:57
Tinkov, who is not actually connected with the Kremlin,
00:24:58
or Arkady Volzh, who was
00:25:01
closely connected with the Kremlin, repented of the
00:25:03
sanctions against him for some reason the sanctions were lifted from
00:25:05
Grigory Berezkin, who did not
00:25:06
repent of anything and was a partner for many years,
00:25:08
including Kovalchuk, well,
00:25:10
that is, we know why all the
00:25:12
intense lobbying in Hungary where
00:25:14
Berezkin is busy with energy
00:25:15
construction, but how do we see all these
00:25:18
arguments everyone is Beyond the
00:25:19
politics of morality War and Peace and so on,
00:25:21
these are again some kind of behind-the-scenes
00:25:23
behind-the-scenes deals that the clans
00:25:26
around Vladimir Putin are counting on
00:25:27
and henceforth they believe that thanks to these
00:25:29
deals they will somehow be able to crawl out of
00:25:31
sanctions in the coming years Or maybe
00:25:33
then and then if everything is found for
00:25:35
natural reasons, then they, like the
00:25:36
Heirs of Joseph Stalin, will negotiate with the West,
00:25:38
but today they have neither
00:25:41
the motive
00:25:42
nor the opportunity to remove Vladimir Putin, and
00:25:45
therefore I understand that for many this
00:25:46
came out as a sentinel, so I would like to think that
00:25:48
now Putin has been overthrown, but I don’t see any pre-
00:25:50
real material prerequisites for
00:25:52
this, I didn’t give us hope
00:25:55
Stanislav Belkovskiy Okay, we ourselves
00:25:57
are moving on, friends, I remind you of the
00:25:59
popular politics channel, support
00:26:01
this broadcast with likes Stanislav I have a
00:26:02
rather unexpected question, have you read
00:26:05
Vladislav Surkov’s column, his idea of ​​​​the
00:26:09
concept of uniting Russia, Europe,
00:26:11
America into a single North, if you read
00:26:15
what you think about this, what comment
00:26:17
can you get on this issue?
00:26:20
I read it certainly because I generally
00:26:22
pay attention to the text of Vladislav
00:26:24
Yuryevich Surkov, since in all these
00:26:26
texts they do not appear often, but
00:26:29
always at significant moments in history
00:26:32
there is only one reader, the addressee
00:26:35
Vladimirovich Putin and always Vladislav
00:26:38
Yuryevich Sharkov is trying to express in his own words
00:26:40
how he is considered to be
00:26:42
Putin’s inner thoughts, so these texts are already
00:26:44
interesting, like what the church thinks, like how
00:26:47
Putin thinks, once upon a time Sokolov
00:26:49
wrote articles on the loneliness of the half-breed, where
00:26:52
he set out a completely Putin-like view of the
00:26:54
Russian world that only loneliness only
00:26:56
isolation will save Russia, roughly speaking, this is what is
00:26:58
happening before our eyes, then
00:27:00
he wrote shortly before the special operation that
00:27:02
Russia is doomed to expansion, that it is
00:27:04
expanding Yes, this was a prerequisite for the
00:27:07
fact that Ukraine and now Surkov are
00:27:11
actually transfers that Putin wants to
00:27:12
negotiate with the West and is not at all
00:27:14
in the Vedic alliance secrets of
00:27:16
India to go to Africa and all that, all these
00:27:19
Alter alliances. This is only a way,
00:27:21
again, to force the smell of negotiations in the alliance,
00:27:23
that Putin sees himself as part of the north and not the
00:27:26
global south, and times will pass,
00:27:28
Italians will become possible until
00:27:30
they have to bargain with the West, including
00:27:32
military methods and methods of nuclear
00:27:33
blackmail is what you want to say Vladislav
00:27:36
Yuryevich Surkov, or rather, how he sets out
00:27:38
his understanding of the ideas of the strategic ideas of
00:27:42
the plans of the main patron, while
00:27:44
naturally Surkov solves his
00:27:46
own problems, he wants to attract all
00:27:47
the attention and return to power, but that’s
00:27:50
another question for me interesting for us,
00:27:52
Vladimir Putin
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00:27:56
reacts to such publications. That is, he
00:27:58
perceives them, uh, and they find a response,
00:28:02
such publications are made by
00:28:04
Surkov. Putin listens to this. Do
00:28:07
you think
00:28:09
Putin should not listen to this
00:28:11
because he thinks so himself the
00:28:13
battle his thoughts Okay, I understand you, and he
00:28:16
correctly understands the thoughts of the leader. Therefore,
00:28:19
if someone table Vladimir in
00:28:22
Vladislav Yuryevich’s article, then Vladimir
00:28:24
should be glad that Yuryevich
00:28:26
remains an intelligent, subtle and delicate
00:28:28
comrade-in-arms until Vladislav Yuryevich was
00:28:31
returned to power, Despite the fact that he
00:28:33
appears in these articles a smart, subtle
00:28:35
comrade-in-arms, but let's see that it will be clear
00:28:37
that he has reached their heights of the church, it is unlikely that he will be
00:28:39
able to rise when he was the curator of
00:28:41
Russian domestic policy; he had the
00:28:43
post of head of the
00:28:44
presidential administration; in many ways, his
00:28:46
public ambitions let him down;
00:28:51
where Everyone should downplay
00:28:53
their influence and sit generally quietly in the
00:28:55
shadow of the leader who should be
00:28:57
the only public developer in this
00:29:00
system, but perhaps some will
00:29:03
return to mid-level positions and succeed.
00:29:04
The main thing here is not Surkov himself, I’m saying
00:29:06
what is still confirmed by me a
00:29:08
long-term hypothesis that Putin does not
00:29:10
intend to do business with the West at all. He just wants to
00:29:12
renegotiate the deal with the West on his own
00:29:14
terms. I
00:29:16
continue to ask questions, including
00:29:18
those sent by our viewers. The question
00:29:20
about the figure of Ruben Vardanyan
00:29:22
was quite an important person for the Russian
00:29:24
political elite. Because despite the fact
00:29:26
that they are not public, but a man
00:29:28
who served the interests of many
00:29:31
oligarchs and officials, including the well-
00:29:33
known cellist Sergei Aldugin,
00:29:35
passed large sums of money through voltramate,
00:29:38
which were then deposited into an account with the
00:29:40
Russian elite, and now he
00:29:42
is actually in captivity of the
00:29:45
Azerbaijani government under the Aliyev regime. We do not see
00:29:48
any actions on the part of Russia
00:29:51
to somehow get him out of
00:29:55
this captivity,
00:29:57
official Yerevan announced that it is
00:29:59
demanding his release, the
00:30:01
European Court is submitting some documents,
00:30:03
but there are no documents from Russia, and this came as
00:30:06
a surprise to many because there are some
00:30:07
personal the same agreements between
00:30:10
people are personal sympathies and personal
00:30:12
relationships because well, it seems like he
00:30:15
acted in your interests and there is
00:30:17
no reaction there are no demands
00:30:18
for complications, it surprises you in general
00:30:20
what do you think about the whole situation around
00:30:22
Vardanyan there
00:30:24
can be no public reaction
00:30:26
since 2022
00:30:28
turned out to be from Russian citizenship,
00:30:31
it seems like the Kremlin is completely inconvenient to
00:30:33
protect him. Why protect a person
00:30:35
who
00:30:36
demonstratively refuses a
00:30:38
Russian passport, this does not mean that there will not be some
00:30:40
informal efforts to facilitate it. Teach
00:30:43
because he is really connected with
00:30:45
some prominent important figures of the
00:30:47
Putin establishment. Although I do not
00:30:49
trust the theory according to which it was
00:30:51
Moscow and the Kremlin who sent Vardanyan to
00:30:54
Armenia Karabakh No, of course this is the same thing
00:30:55
It was the idea of ​​the word bank glynych at the
00:30:57
junction of two trends, firstly, it became
00:30:59
clear that someone in the foreseeable
00:31:01
historical future should
00:31:02
replace Nikolayevich Pushinyan and his
00:31:06
team And why not Weben Korolen and
00:31:08
his team are clear that
00:31:11
Pashinyan’s predecessors will not be able to do this
00:31:13
because on the one hand they were
00:31:15
the sources and organizers of large-scale
00:31:17
corruption on the other hand and brought
00:31:20
the situation to the inevitability of a military
00:31:22
defeat of the Ar
00:31:24
together with Azerbaijan. But what is the
00:31:28
next generation after Pashinyan? Yes And
00:31:30
that’s when they could well claim
00:31:32
what they can now claim that
00:31:34
he will be the leader of Armenia at the
00:31:35
next historical turn, another
00:31:37
country wanted, on the contrary, to distance itself from the
00:31:38
Kremlin from a big war. To avoid
00:31:41
sanctions, which they succeeded in as a result of
00:31:43
moving to Armenia, they
00:31:45
simply underestimated
00:31:47
Azerbaijan’s desire to get it. Azerbaijan is
00:31:50
of course possible now someday he
00:31:52
faces up to 14 years in prison he has been
00:31:55
charged under the article of financing
00:31:57
terrorism of a
00:31:58
tourist organization, here
00:32:00
we mean the Nagorno-
00:32:02
Karabakh Republic itself, which, as we
00:32:03
know, will officially come into
00:32:04
existence on January 1, 2024 on
00:32:07
the basis of a decree of its last president
00:32:09
Samvel Roman, but some kind of big jackpot
00:32:13
perhaps Azerbaijan when they release
00:32:14
what this course will be connected with, who will
00:32:17
offer it to Armenia or Russia, we will
00:32:19
look at Armenia Can offer
00:32:21
some political conditions, maybe
00:32:24
Nikol Shpina can lobby for some
00:32:28
interests of Azerbaijani businessmen
00:32:29
businessmen of Azerbaijani
00:32:31
origin who are under sanctions from the USA and
00:32:34
France on the other On the other hand, if Bender
00:32:36
leaves the pre-trial detention center, then he will fly away; he will become a
00:32:39
figure of another political class
00:32:41
in Armenia itself. But on the other hand, we
00:32:43
don’t know how
00:32:44
much Pashinyan is really interested in the
00:32:46
speedy release of the VVB for Vardanyan,
00:32:48
who, in general, has been in conflict with him
00:32:50
lately and took an
00:32:51
excellent, radically opposite
00:32:53
position to Pashinyan’s position on Karabakh when
00:32:56
they called for recognizing the shares as an
00:32:58
independent state and entering the
00:33:00
war, which Pashinyan
00:33:01
categorically did not want to do. Therefore,
00:33:03
here only shadow efforts can be
00:33:05
successful in the public sphere, now
00:33:08
Azerbaijan is over-determined to
00:33:09
arrange a show trial of those
00:33:11
who support the key figures who
00:33:13
supported Karaban independence in the mountains
00:33:15
recently and to
00:33:17
extract from this means dividends.
00:33:19
However, I admit that a deal is quite
00:33:21
possible. And a turnaround of Armenia from Russia is expected
00:33:25
subsequently because
00:33:27
Moscow did not provide any official assistance during
00:33:30
this
00:33:31
short-term war which ended with the
00:33:33
military defeat of official Yerevan.
00:33:35
And we are waiting for Nikolai Pashinyan to take a
00:33:38
course towards euro integration and more
00:33:40
honest ties with the United States. Well, in general, with the
00:33:42
collective West, or is everything much more
00:33:45
subtle and impossible? Such a reversal is all the
00:33:47
same and Yerevans are officially very
00:33:49
dependent on Moscow, and where
00:33:53
this reversal is happening before our eyes in the
00:33:55
fall of 2020, during the Second
00:33:58
Karabakh War,
00:34:00
Karabakh and Armenia ended in defeat when most of
00:34:02
Nagorno-Karabakh was occupied by
00:34:04
Azerbaijani troops, let me remind you all
00:34:06
this from the point of view of international law,
00:34:08
the territory of Azerbaijan, that is,
00:34:09
Azerbaijan acted on its
00:34:11
territory, therefore their there
00:34:13
could be no external claims against him on this issue,
00:34:14
that once again the question arises that if
00:34:16
you really want to defend the territories, you
00:34:18
must legally recognize How this was
00:34:20
done by Vladimir Putin with Abkhazia South
00:34:22
Ossetia Armenia for all the years did not
00:34:24
do this did not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh
00:34:26
then already it was clear that the Kremlin stands on the
00:34:29
side of Azerbaijan and all of
00:34:31
Vladimir Putin’s certain obligations to the
00:34:33
sacrificial Taipei Erdogan, the President of
00:34:34
Turkey, to the patrons of Azerbaijan, with
00:34:37
whom he has absolutely no intention of meeting And
00:34:39
due to the influence of the Azerbaijani lobby in
00:34:41
Russia itself, which is largely tied to
00:34:43
Elgam Ibragimov, Vladimir
00:34:45
Putin’s classmate at the Leningrad University
00:34:47
Zhdanov, and that is, for the last three
00:34:50
years, Armenia could not count on being
00:34:53
on its side in this conflict, but tried to maneuver
00:34:55
now that the Russian Federation had already completely surrendered
00:34:57
Armenia and outlined its priorities
00:34:59
openly. Of course, Pashinyan will move
00:35:01
towards the United States and France, this is a very
00:35:02
difficult complex process now in first
00:35:05
of all, Armenia needs to resolve the
00:35:07
issue of the inviolability of its
00:35:09
state border to avoid
00:35:10
raising the issue of the Excel
00:35:12
extraterritorial corridor between
00:35:14
Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan region
00:35:17
through the Zangiz Sinim region of Armenia,
00:35:20
that same legendary ezangi
00:35:22
zombiz corridor and will the USA and
00:35:26
France be effective as international
00:35:28
mediators
00:35:29
in resolving the situation taking into account
00:35:32
interests Armenia is not eating yet Clearly, but
00:35:33
this is a different situation, a question from the
00:35:36
point of view of international law in Karabakh,
00:35:38
Azerbaijan liberated its own
00:35:39
territories and formal legally And
00:35:41
here the Zangizon corridors are also the
00:35:43
canonical territory of Armenia, therefore the
00:35:45
International community can be
00:35:46
involved in protecting interests
00:35:48
less actively, but
00:35:50
all the construction of its policy in in the field of
00:35:53
international relations and security,
00:35:54
Armenia has to start from scratch,
00:35:56
since the Armenian elite’s bet was made
00:35:58
back in the early nineties of the twentieth
00:36:01
century after the first Karabakh war on
00:36:03
Russia, the main guarantor of security
00:36:04
failed,
00:36:08
and we ourselves are moving on, friends.
00:36:11
We’ve been on air for 35 minutes. Send questions to the
00:36:13
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00:36:15
Stanislav Belkovsky We talk about the main
00:36:17
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00:36:20
opinion here on popular politics
00:36:23
live on air first a question that was
00:36:25
sent to us as soon as we announced that there
00:36:27
would be a broadcast with you,
00:36:29
what do you think about such a media phenomenon and
00:36:33
such luck Ksenia Anatolyevna Sobchak
00:36:35
how so it turns out that during
00:36:38
crisis situations, be it speculation about the
00:36:42
state of health and freedom and freedom of
00:36:46
Surikin, be it a story with a
00:36:49
refutation through her of
00:36:52
information about the health problems of
00:36:54
Ramzan Kadyrov, every time it turns out
00:36:56
that it is Ksenia Anatolyevna who publishes the
00:36:57
footage and they contact her as she
00:37:00
says and
00:37:02
Reliable sources convey footage that is very
00:37:04
beneficial to the authorities with this your your
00:37:07
relationship to this What do you think is this
00:37:09
plum Ksenia Anatolyevna is playing along
00:37:11
because the reach of the clique or she
00:37:14
generally plays such a role for the Kremlin
00:37:16
now in 2004 the person through whom
00:37:18
you can throw the necessary information
00:37:22
the necessary information can be through
00:37:24
many people, not only
00:37:26
on the left, it happens. I understand that you do not have a
00:37:29
special relationship, that’s why she is mentioned.
00:37:32
I, too, have not been involved
00:37:34
in this relationship for many years, so I
00:37:36
would not like to engage in criticism of her, but
00:37:38
of course the
00:37:39
communications person is the ruling persons who are
00:37:41
often treated with this type
00:37:45
but When At the same time, he
00:37:47
continues to build the image of a
00:37:50
person who does not support the war;
00:37:53
the image of a person who, well, at
00:37:55
least publicly, is
00:37:57
exactly the kind of person
00:37:59
who is still critical
00:38:01
of the authorities. And somehow this doesn’t
00:38:03
really fit in with the political strategist, tell me, is
00:38:05
n’t there such a thing? - contradictions and
00:38:08
Cry that this is a deception when on the one
00:38:11
hand a person plays the role of such I am
00:38:13
against everything and then do it as it is
00:38:15
beneficial for those against someone allegedly against
00:38:24
published data about his conversation with the
00:38:26
youngest of whom I don’t know
00:38:29
how reliable this whole story is
00:38:32
in the wake of his harsh criticism for
00:38:34
publishing a video with Nikita Zhuravel,
00:38:36
it is clear that perhaps there was a two-way
00:38:39
combination, but in Russian Lida there are many
00:38:41
people who would like, on the one hand,
00:38:43
to maintain relations with Vladimir Putin,
00:38:45
on the other hand, they are against the war; this
00:38:47
includes all system liberals in the end
00:38:50
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00:38:52
finally, who was not by chance
00:38:54
re-acted and the Accounts Chamber in Yandex
00:38:56
really didn’t help him avoid sanctions. And
00:38:59
what did we count on
00:39:00
Nabiullina, the chairman of the Central Bank, exactly the same
00:39:03
people? They are used to working, they
00:39:05
respect him, they see a lot of
00:39:08
good things from him, together they are against war,
00:39:11
trade, the difficult fate of the systemic
00:39:14
liberals of modern times
00:39:16
connected about systemic liberals has always
00:39:18
been considered to be, again, this is
00:39:19
just some kind of
00:39:21
definition that many have used,
00:39:23
that Putin is the systemic liberal who
00:39:26
gives the economic bloc. So you
00:39:27
figure it out and pick around the rest of everything else for
00:39:30
other political groups during the
00:39:32
war, after a year and a half, many expected
00:39:35
some kind of then the purge of all system
00:39:36
liberals, that now he will put the economy on a
00:39:38
war footing and, in general,
00:39:40
he no longer needs them because
00:39:42
they demonstrate it to the outside world, but
00:39:45
everyone understands that they do not support what is
00:39:47
happening now because they are
00:39:49
somehow stylistic. Or maybe
00:39:51
ideologically, it’s not close to understanding such a
00:39:53
war as a whole. Why didn’t this
00:39:55
purge of system liberals happen and should we
00:39:57
expect it? I don’t know in the near future, as you
00:40:00
see it.
00:40:01
I just didn’t expect any purge of
00:40:03
system liberals from the point of view of the
00:40:06
financial sphere. Putin himself is a
00:40:08
system liberal, he’s completely
00:40:11
like-minded. Codrina Nabiullina and so
00:40:12
on, and therefore continues to occupy
00:40:16
key positions in the economic bloc will
00:40:17
remain in them; the economy is switching to
00:40:20
military, one way or another this is indicated,
00:40:21
although the military budget which in 2024
00:40:24
will be 70% more than this year and the
00:40:27
second more than in 2021 but
00:40:30
Putin has the same views. In particular,
00:40:35
the question of how to fight
00:40:36
inflation, why not give money
00:40:37
to the people,
00:40:39
save money, create money boxes, these are all
00:40:42
general views on the subject of a market economy to a certain
00:40:45
extent,
00:40:47
they are planned, all
00:40:50
kinds of socialist methods,
00:40:51
experiments are deeply alien to him, he is an
00:40:54
ultra-right politician in his views In
00:40:56
addition, systemic liberalism is associated with
00:40:58
Putin not only
00:40:59
with views on the economy, but also with the general idea
00:41:03
that a Russian person cannot be allowed to
00:41:04
roam, he cannot be given democracy,
00:41:06
which is that in the 90s, when Vladimir
00:41:09
Putin as a political figure, we did not
00:41:11
know that democracy in Russia is extremely
00:41:14
harmful because the people will definitely
00:41:15
bring to power fascists or
00:41:17
some kind of fascists and communists
00:41:19
combined, no red-brown
00:41:21
coalition, so Russia needs some kind of
00:41:23
enlightened authorites, these are systemic
00:41:25
liberals. Putin for many years was a symbol of
00:41:27
enlightened authoritarianism and partly
00:41:30
remains because Yes, they are against war,
00:41:33
but they not against their own cooperation with Putin and have absolutely no
00:41:35
plans to leave the system because
00:41:37
the phrase systemic liberal
00:41:39
systemic means more than a liberal
00:41:41
systemic person of the system who cannot
00:41:43
express themselves and realize themselves outside the system.
00:41:47
I finally want to ask you a question
00:41:49
related to Ukraine, you worked a lot there
00:41:52
they talked about this in
00:41:54
their numerous interviews, now
00:41:57
around Ukraine the issue is not related to you,
00:42:00
only one is being discussed. Should
00:42:03
Zelensky not need to go discuss the
00:42:05
media on
00:42:07
the Internet, too, everyone is joining in these
00:42:09
discussions, I’m rather
00:42:13
asking a broader question, that’s what is possible now
00:42:15
describe now the political structure of
00:42:17
Ukraine how much it has changed both in
00:42:21
connection with the war and in connection with the past
00:42:22
past tense to your last
00:42:25
working moments associated with this
00:42:28
beautiful country. What do you
00:42:29
see now as the political component of
00:42:32
Ukraine
00:42:34
and the quality has not changed anything Ukraine
00:42:37
remains a democratic free
00:42:38
country during
00:42:39
the war during the war, a lot changes
00:42:43
towards the consolidation of power and the emergence of
00:42:45
certain authoritarian tendencies,
00:42:46
which, however, appeared before the war
00:42:50
during the reign of Zelensky and
00:42:52
caused significant opposition both in the
00:42:54
Ukrainian elites and among the people,
00:42:56
let’s not forget that Zelensky’s rating
00:42:58
before the start of the special operation was
00:43:00
only 23% then it soared to 91 percent
00:43:03
somewhere At these heights it is
00:43:05
located approximately and now Zelensky’s undermining has become
00:43:07
Ukrainian and gives up power. In my
00:43:09
opinion, Zelensky is not going to ask another
00:43:11
question how his
00:43:13
Dear American partners will react to this, what will they
00:43:15
say about this since from their
00:43:17
a lot depends on opinions, because American
00:43:19
military economic support is a
00:43:21
necessary condition for the survival and
00:43:22
subsequent prosperity of Ukraine at
00:43:25
this historical stage; simply
00:43:26
survival without the support of Ukraine
00:43:28
cannot be maintained and will be exposed in the war
00:43:31
and among the elites, many are still
00:43:35
dissatisfied with his team, now in
00:43:37
Ukraine in Zelensky’s team
00:43:39
conversations have begun about the transition to a presidential
00:43:40
republic. Vadim Zelensky himself will appear.
00:43:44
Apparently, he strives not to hold
00:43:46
presidential elections in 2024 since
00:43:49
elections are formally impossible under martial law.
00:43:50
But they are difficult to
00:43:52
conduct and in fact, in conditions of war, it is
00:43:54
technologically unclear how to do this
00:43:56
when hostilities are of sufficiently
00:43:59
high intensity this means one way or
00:44:01
another Whoever intends or wants anything, a
00:44:03
subjectively objective choice can
00:44:05
only be made under conditions of a truce, and
00:44:07
for this The truce now has no
00:44:08
conceptual basis, but Ukraine
00:44:10
will remain a Democratic country, it is not at all a
00:44:12
fact that Vladimir Zelensky will retain
00:44:14
power after the war, and this is perhaps the
00:44:16
key to the
00:44:17
country's own prosperity; the main
00:44:19
problems; the main two problems of Ukraine
00:44:21
are large-scale corruption;
00:44:23
inefficiency of management; and, among other things,
00:44:24
external players constantly raise questions
00:44:27
about this and link the further
00:44:28
continuation of support for Ukraine with the fight
00:44:30
against corruption; optimization of management; and
00:44:32
it cannot be said that Vladimir Zelensky
00:44:34
has made a qualitative breakthrough; No, he has become
00:44:37
but the quality was not accomplished, but in a different way No matter how
00:44:41
ambiguous it may sound, the war
00:44:43
opens up completely new prospects
00:44:45
for destroying, so to speak, the
00:44:48
corrupt system and the rule of power. A
00:44:50
new generation of specialists who better
00:44:52
understand what modern
00:44:54
management is. What are global trends with the
00:44:56
Eastern European testing ground
00:44:58
Ukraine may well become, but when
00:45:00
they talk about Ukraine, they often, in addition to
00:45:02
what they have listed, also talk about the fact
00:45:04
that this is a country that was divided
00:45:05
between various oligarchs, where they
00:45:07
had their own TV channels, their parties, their own
00:45:09
media, but
00:45:11
now it is precisely this Aspect that many
00:45:13
are talking about that it was just because of the war that it
00:45:14
stopped, someone escaped, someone was
00:45:16
imprisoned, like in the story with Kolomoisky, and in
00:45:18
general, this is where they managed to break this
00:45:21
vicious Circle, uh, don’t you think that the
00:45:24
oligarchs no longer have such influence
00:45:27
until the Kolomoisky case ended,
00:45:30
it was indicative, demonstrative,
00:45:31
since it was he who was the head of the United States,
00:45:34
expressively, he is wanted by the
00:45:36
Federal Bureau of Investigation,
00:45:37
Kolomoisky’s lawyer, the United States, where he would be
00:45:40
prosecuting him for laundering proceeds from
00:45:42
crime, they always
00:45:44
argued that the formulation of the question
00:45:46
is absurd, since
00:45:47
no income was recorded in Ukraine obtained
00:45:49
by criminal means, what could Kolomoisky
00:45:51
launder
00:45:52
now, therefore, Zelensky has an important
00:45:55
quality
00:45:57
and this was an important sign before
00:46:00
Vladimir Zelensky’s recent visit to the United States,
00:46:01
which was no longer as
00:46:03
triumphant as a year ago, that is, there
00:46:05
was a lot of roughness in
00:46:06
interaction with American
00:46:08
partners, but the oligarchs are nowhere yet don’t
00:46:10
share, they will disappear when the
00:46:12
economic base is completely destroyed,
00:46:14
their power is that the war and is doing this by the
00:46:16
end of the war, apparently the ligraphic plans
00:46:18
have weakened, they will continue to cling to
00:46:20
power now she says that
00:46:22
they no longer exist, but the general trend is there
00:46:25
she and Actually, the positive
00:46:27
consequences of the war will certainly be
00:46:28
that there will most likely no longer be an oligarchy in the old sense in Ukraine.
00:46:32
Well, since we talked about the elections in Ukraine and
00:46:34
so on, I ask about the elections in Russia in
00:46:37
March 24 and now. There is a wide discussion
00:46:39
around this with uh. there is
00:46:41
a discussion literally Internet warriors
00:46:43
are taking place on this topic, I want to ask you,
00:46:46
what position do you take about the twenty-
00:46:49
fourth year and
00:46:51
Putin’s elections, and in your opinion, that’s what’s
00:46:54
important, it will be stress with the test.
00:46:55
For Vladimir Putin, in general, in general, the
00:46:57
voting procedure that will be in
00:46:59
March is 24 years old,
00:47:01
but Putin definitely doesn’t consider the
00:47:04
technical point for him, he is absolutely convinced that
00:47:08
his percentage is closer to 80. The general
00:47:11
attitude is that Putin should
00:47:12
receive
00:47:13
more than in 2018 with a total turnout
00:47:17
higher than 2018,
00:47:20
thereby confirming that the decision is starting to be big The
00:47:21
multinational people of the Russian Federation like war and
00:47:25
they simply view it as a
00:47:26
chaotic procedure that will
00:47:29
go through completely calmly. But will the Russian oppositionists be able to
00:47:31
oppose something? I
00:47:34
don’t know, but what I know for sure is that personally,
00:47:36
as an opposition voter, I’m an opponent of
00:47:39
the Kremlin, the main thing is that I’m tired of the
00:47:41
constant analysis among Russians
00:47:42
oppositionists who accuse each
00:47:44
other more harshly than with the common enemy
00:47:47
the Kremlin and would like to live to see
00:47:49
this showdown and want to see some kind of
00:47:52
consolidation of the opposition, including in the
00:47:53
face of the 2024 elections,
00:47:57
well noted And who are we waiting for
00:48:01
as opponents was I published in
00:48:03
Domosti and Medusa link to sources
00:48:05
that this is an installation that should not be like this
00:48:09
supposedly Vladimir Putin should not seem to be
00:48:11
the oldest on the ballot and therefore
00:48:13
the participation of Zyuganov is in question and so on
00:48:16
in your opinion who will be selected
00:48:18
as opponents Should we wait for a
00:48:19
liberal candidate there as they write the same
00:48:22
statements hinting at the Egyptian and
00:48:24
conditional Muratov,
00:48:27
first of all, I don’t trust this theory About
00:48:30
the fact that there should be only
00:48:32
old people to choose from because Vladimir
00:48:34
Putin cannot be posed like that, no
00:48:37
kirienta can pose a
00:48:39
question to Putin like that because then it
00:48:40
turns out that Putin looks an old man and
00:48:43
Putin doesn’t look like an old man objectively. In
00:48:45
my opinion, he is
00:48:47
in good physical shape, especially since he does
00:48:50
n’t look like an old man in subjective
00:48:52
eyes, so look for those Putin’s,
00:48:54
let’s make old
00:48:56
candidates so that you look young
00:48:57
now, how to beat the Russian president.
00:48:59
No one from his circle is such an insult
00:49:01
it will go, therefore, it seems to me that the theory is that
00:49:03
you are on stage and won’t you go to sleep? Will Gennady
00:49:05
Andreevich Zyuganov go excellently? Not because
00:49:06
he should set off the young Putin, but
00:49:08
because he is simply not yet ready to
00:49:10
transfer the power of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to another generation,
00:49:13
he still wants to transfer it to his
00:49:14
grandson Leonid Leonid we are not ready for this
00:49:16
And if we transfer now we need to
00:49:18
transfer a figure like Andreichkov, she
00:49:20
said the governor who is objectively the
00:49:22
brightest among the politicians of this party But
00:49:26
Zyuganov is not ready for this I don’t want to
00:49:27
leave the party to the family Could
00:49:29
they be Slutsk from the LDPR Alexey Nechaev from
00:49:31
new people then there are people who are quite young
00:49:33
and who do not understand the theory that there
00:49:36
should be only decrepit grandfathers, setting
00:49:39
the path for which Alexey Alekseevich
00:49:40
Venediktov will become a candidate, I have a
00:49:41
hard time believing But I want to pinch, as far
00:49:44
as I know this man, he will
00:49:45
never go like this Although who knows him to
00:49:47
everyone everything in life anything can happen
00:49:48
Of course, but of course there will be no real
00:49:52
liberal candidate, no real
00:49:53
candidate not controlled by the Kremlin in these
00:49:55
elections. Therefore, if the
00:49:57
candidate is not going to be under
00:49:59
control, he will not be registered, so to speak.
00:50:03
Well, I’m more likely talking about who will
00:50:05
play the dummy candidate from
00:50:06
liberal opposition of such a systemic
00:50:08
kind of conditional
00:50:10
half-Yabloko but at the same time
00:50:13
criticize the war as it was.
00:50:15
For this there are New people
00:50:18
leader Alexei Nechaev actually
00:50:21
mother model in the elections in Moscow what does
00:50:23
not suit you In Moscow as a model for
00:50:26
subsequent federal elections It
00:50:27
seems to me so- then everything will be approximately and will go away like
00:50:29
a conspiracy Moscow is not Russia in Moscow everything
00:50:32
went well
00:50:33
79% The rest little by little because
00:50:37
approximately not yet according to the Kremlin’s plan
00:50:39
should take place in the spring of 2024
00:50:42
Will the real position be able to put something I wanted to
00:50:44
put I don’t know, well, how would it be
00:50:46
possible to oppose it though It would be nice to have
00:50:47
a consultation and giving up an endless
00:50:50
life would be a good idea
00:50:53
Thank you very much We have a political scientist on
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the air today of the program Honest Word
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00:51:07
opinions here there are different positions well
00:51:09
the topic this is a wonderful program here you can
00:51:11
hear everything My name is Ruslan
00:51:14
Shaginov I thank you for
00:51:16
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00:51:18
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evening Honest to Dmitry Bykov
00:51:28
Dmitry Bykov today too will be 17:00
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just say a big thank you at the end
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