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00:00:11
Hello everyone.
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You know, this was beautiful music.
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I think of inviting those guys to my lectures,
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100 percent attendance will be guaranteed.
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(Laughter)
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The organizers have put wires all over me
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and said that now I am a part of a collective mind,
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that we are one brain.
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One part of this brain, which is me, wanted to ask you:
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"Do you know whose self-portrait it is?"
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Van Gogh, Vincent Van Gogh.
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Very well.
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And this one?
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Pablo Picasso.
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You sure know this guy.
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Harrison Ford, a Hollywood actor.
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Do you know what these people have in common?
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They all suffered from depression.
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A very approximate estimation suggests
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that about 350 million people in the world
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are currently diagnosed with depression.
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And the costs of treatment, of taking care of those people,
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is about 210 billion dollars per year.
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According to the World Health Organization,
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by 2020,
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depression will become the second most common cause for disability.
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In other words, this disease is the disease of the century.
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The disease of our society.
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Interestingly enough, the World Health Organization
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has conducted research is some countries
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to see how widespread the depression is among the population.
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Which country do you think ended up first
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in terms of depressed people?
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Surprisingly, it was sunny France.
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In France, every fifth adult
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is diagnosed with depression.
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You know, there is one country
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that had no depressed patients till 2020.
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Who can name that country?
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China.
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And it is not because it is a communist country and everyone is happy.
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(Laughter)
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In the framework of the Chinese culture
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depression is not a disease
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but a personality trait.
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And since 2000, when Chinese adopted
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the criteria of depression for the patients,
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the depression appeared immediately.
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But even by now, it is around nine percent.
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These are interesting facts.
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The number of depressed people grows constantly,
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and we are facing some very serious problems.
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Look at this slide and these numbers.
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Fifty percent of depressed people do not get diagnosed.
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Why?
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A depressed person will never come with a complaint
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about feeling unhappy
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or having a bad mood
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or having lost the meaning of life.
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To a depressed person, this doesn't look like disease symptoms,
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and so doctors cannot establish such diagnosis.
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Moreover, there are no lab tests available.
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We can take blood and analyse it,
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but it will not help us recognizing depression.
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The depression diagnosis gets established
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as a result of a dialogue between a doctor and a patient.
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What is a necessary condition for that?
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At least one of them has to be healthy.
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(Laughter)
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Which is not always the case.
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Moving on.
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For treating patients with depression we use a certain type of medicine
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called antidepressants.
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Sadly, the effects of antidepressants develop very slowly.
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Only during second month of constant use of the medicine,
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a patient starts feeling some improvement.
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But during that period,
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patients experience nothing but the side effects of this medicine,
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before the healing effects stat taking place.
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And 50% of people drop using the medicine
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within first weeks of taking it.
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Furthermore,
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let's have a look at the last sentence.
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In the case of 30–40 percent of the patients
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the medicine has no effect whatsoever.
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And it is a huge, huge problem.
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For many years, the scientists were looking for a molecule of happiness,
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thinking that the lack of a particular molecule in the brain
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was the cause of depression.
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The search was unsuccessful
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because the way our brain works
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is based on neural networks
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where millions of nerve cells form a network,
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and hundreds, thousands of molecules make the network function.
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And a failure in one or many molecules
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can lead to such effect.
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So I can say that
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even today we know neither the cause
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nor the mechanics of this disease.
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But there are many interesting theories.
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And one of the theories -
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that's the theory I am going to tell you about.
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There was this guy in 1965,
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a scientist Martin Seligman.
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He was performing tests on dogs.
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He would put a dog into a cage -
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such tests are prohibited now
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as ethical norms do not allow
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using dogs in such experiments -
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and passed a current through half of the cage,
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a weak current which was nonetheless rather unpleasant for a dog.
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He would be doing so for five to six days.
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On day seven he would put an animal into this cage,
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immediately subjecting it to pain,
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but leaving the door of the cage open.
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It gave the dog an opportunity to escape the unpleasant sensation.
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What happened?
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80% of dogs were indeed running out of the cage,
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but 20% stayed inside,
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sort of consenting to the pain.
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He called it "learned helplessness",
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which in Estonian sounds as
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'õppitud abitus',
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or "выученная беспомощность" in Russian.
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In his article, he wrote: "I taught the animals to be unhappy".
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Some years later, a theory appeared,
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stating that the cause of depression was —
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I quote —
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"formation of stable negative patterns
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that are fixed in the brain due to its insufficient plasticity."
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It means a person learns to be unhappy
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but at the same time
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brain plasticity keeps them from retraining and becoming happy.
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It is an interesting theory.
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You see, our brain is very stable and it has to be stable.
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It has to remember the information,
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it has to remember our skills,
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this is the basis of its stability.
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At the same time, the brain is bombed by a vast flow of information,
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visual, verbal,
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it hears, it sees,
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it undergoes constant stress.
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This stability can be reached only if the brain has plasticity.
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Without plasticity this information flow,
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this bombardment can destroy our brain.
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Brain plasticity.
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It is indispensable for learning
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but it is also necessary for retraining.
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Brain plasticity is quite impressive in children.
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A one-year-old child can learn a thousand times more stuff than an adult.
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They have remarkable plasticity.
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This plasticity, this ability to learn
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resides in a small brain structure called hippocampus.
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"Hippocampus" means a sea horse.
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Really, it is highlighted over here,
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it is shown in yellow in a brain,
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and the way this structure looks
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indeed reminds a sea horse.
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What is the purpose of this structure?
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It turns out that
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this structure is responsible for memory formation.
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And the information that serves as a basis for memory
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is kept in this structure for two weeks,
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then it is sent to other parts of the brain.
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The hippocampus is cleared of old information
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and is ready to take new information in.
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And it was discovered that this structure
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is the only or one of the few locations in the brain
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where a constant formation of new nerve cells is happening.
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This process is called neurogenesis.
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This neurogenesis was observed not only in children,
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it was discovered in an adult brain, too.
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It takes approximately a day
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for around 600 to 800 nerve cells to generate;
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they get organized into neural networks
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and are able to perceive the new information, to retrain.
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The neurogenesis is shown on this diagram
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The new cells are shown in blue here ...
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What was discovered?
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The patients who attempted suicide
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had a lower number of these new cells.
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The patients who have gone through a serious psychological trauma
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have a lower number of these cells,
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fewer neurons are created in this structure.
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And the scientists suggested
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that this may be the cause of depression.
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A question arose:
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How can we influence
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the plasticity of the hippocampus and this neurogenesis?'
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It is also written in here:
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a decrease in neurogenesis may be a cause of depression.
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I want to show you one slide.
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Please pay attention.
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We can color these new cells created in hippocampus
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in black like here and next to it, in red;
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those red dots represent the newborn nerve cells.
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Then the neurogenesis processes of a control person were compared
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with that of a runner.
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A runner.
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Who does running mean?
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It is a physical activity.
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What do we see?
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Look how the number of these new cells has changed.
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It turned out that physical activities stimulate the neurogenesis greatly.
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The same effect was found
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in antidepressant fluoxetine — Prozac.
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It too reinforces, or increases, the number of new cells.
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What else does contribute to healing these cells?
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An enhanced environment.
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Children's toys have this function:
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they stimulate neurogenesis in a child.
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What can stimulate it in an adult?
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What can count as an enhanced environment for an adult?
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Travelling.
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This too enhances person's environment.
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An interesting research was conducted on taxi drivers
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who constantly need to remember how to navigate.
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It turned out the volume of hippocampus was a lot bigger
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in London taxi drivers than in the population on average.
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It was an interesting publication.
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Next.
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I want to show you this slide,
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maybe the conference organizers will put a video for me.
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Here is a child.
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Young mothers, who has children of this age?
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Have you observed how they walk?
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They don't walk, as some tell us.
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They hop.
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I have three grandchildren, and they all hop.
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None of them walks normally.
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And I often hear from mothers: "Why are you hopping? Walk normally!"
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Never say that to your children.
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It turns out that this hopping
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contributes to neurogenesis in the hippocampus.
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This is an interesting fact that was discovered recently.
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That is, children, when hopping...
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the brain sends them a signal to hop
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and by hopping they improve the plasticity of the brain.
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It is great.
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I like children.
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There she goes!
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Do you see how?!
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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Awesome!
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I can no longer hop like that.
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Let's move on.
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Have a look, here I show several things
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that improve our brain plasticity
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and its capacity for retraining.
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Here is physical activity, here is travelling,
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here are antidepressants when necessary.
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Immediately a question pops up:
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why doesn't all this work for all the patients?
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You see,
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with all these things we give the brain an opportunity to retrain
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but it's up to the person to retrain.
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Because really, everything we know, we have learned by ourselves.
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Neither professors nor school teachers —
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teachers generally ruin everything —
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(Laughter)
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(Applause)
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cannot make us learn.
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The learning part is up to us.
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And those things, they will just give us an opportunity.
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They will open the doors to this retraining.
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These are the things I wanted to tell you today.
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Thank you for listening.
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(Applause)

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Уже давно известно, что депрессия - это болезнь, и её надо лечить. Однако до сих пор существуют мифы по поводу антидепрессантов и того, что больной должен делать сам для своего излечения. Professor of pharmacology and drug toxicology at the University of Tartu, member of many pharmacology related societies This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/about/programs-initiatives/tedx-program

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