Download "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023"

Please wait. We're preparing links for easy ad-free video watching and downloading.

Previous video: Пастуховские четверги / Владимир Пастухов и Алексей Венедиктов* // 18.08.2022 Next video: Ответ Чичваркину*. Перемирие в Израиле. Максим Шевченко: Особое мнение // 27.11.23 @MaximShevchenko

Ответ Чичваркину*. Перемирие в Израиле. Максим Шевченко: Особое мнение // 27.11.23 @MaximShevchenko

Ответ Чичваркину*. Перемирие в Израиле. Максим Шевченко: Особое мнение // 27.11.23 @MaximShevchenko

Channel: Живой Гвоздь

Пастуховские четверги / Владимир Пастухов и Алексей Венедиктов* // 18.08.2022

Пастуховские четверги / Владимир Пастухов и Алексей Венедиктов* // 18.08.2022

Channel: Живой Гвоздь

Артемий Троицкий* / 2023 // 21.07.23

Артемий Троицкий* / 2023 // 21.07.23

Channel: Живой Гвоздь

венедиктов

пастухов

живой гвоздь

политика

00:00:18

[music]

00:00:32

[music]

00:00:44

Good afternoon We are meeting

00:00:46

again today, although I skipped several of

00:00:49

our meetings Grigory Alekseevich

00:00:51

Yavlinsky Alexey Venediktov Sergei

00:00:54

Gunfman Here everything is here and

00:00:57

here Antonina believes that you will say about all the

00:01:01

pre-prisoners and even it will be

00:01:04

enough

00:01:06

[music]

00:01:10

let's say today Great Saturday

00:01:14

This is such a serious matter, I

00:01:18

was even thinking about how to broadcast it to

00:01:21

just a lot of believers and this is a

00:01:25

serious matter, so

00:01:30

I wanted to say two words in this regard,

00:01:33

if I may, the

00:01:37

main thing that I think is in this

00:01:41

holiday and in Christian

00:01:43

values in general is love to another person,

00:01:48

here is the love of illness,

00:01:51

here is the sacrifice of Christ, as I understand it, this is

00:01:57

love for people,

00:01:59

therefore, at the center of any policy at any

00:02:02

moment there

00:02:03

should be a person and a neighbor of any

00:02:06

policy at any time.

00:02:09

I think

00:02:13

you understand very well why

00:02:16

this is so

00:02:18

important today because

00:02:23

this is what it is absolute lawlessness In whatever

00:02:27

form this neglect

00:02:29

occurs.

00:02:31

Therefore, if there is a future, then the policy of

00:02:33

the future is precisely this:

00:02:38

that the state

00:02:41

exists exclusively for man.

00:02:44

His name is man, and to protect his

00:02:46

future and to create a future;

00:02:50

politics for man is the most important thing

00:02:53

and in this regard,

00:02:57

I would like to say once again precisely in this

00:03:03

context, I and my colleagues personally, I am

00:03:08

categorically against this catastrophe and

00:03:11

the tragedy that is happening,

00:03:13

categorically against it from beginning to end, we do

00:03:18

not believe that

00:03:20

at least some element of

00:03:23

inevitability of objectivity is necessary to

00:03:26

any extent.

00:03:28

Well

00:03:30

Yes, on the 31st I was a

00:03:39

witness

00:03:42

at a closed session of the trial of

00:03:46

Vladimir

00:03:49

Khromosa, I saw him and

00:03:53

so I want to tell you

00:03:56

I was a witness there that

00:04:00

[music] I

00:04:03

exclusively want to emphasize his

00:04:06

openness, courage,

00:04:10

pride,

00:04:12

his patriotism, his love for the Motherland, his

00:04:17

head held high despite all

00:04:21

the situation that he is That’s the

00:04:23

main thing

00:04:25

that I saw with my own eyes and felt

00:04:31

I won’t go into details there are a

00:04:34

lot of them They are all so special but what to do

00:04:39

I told you

00:04:40

Volodya

00:04:42

is convinced that he is right he is open he

00:04:47

insists on his position

00:04:51

boldly and very much I would he said with dignity, once again

00:04:58

I want to emphasize in this context that

00:05:01

he is truly a Patriot of

00:05:06

his Motherland, he wants to do everything so

00:05:09

that it is a free and modern

00:05:13

country,

00:05:15

this is the main thing that I could

00:05:20

say from this process, well, you know

00:05:22

what, apparently the other day a monstrous verdict will be announced,

00:05:27

most likely you think

00:05:38

the verdicts were just two years ago,

00:05:46

why, from your point of view,

00:05:49

did the state become so harsh towards

00:05:52

its political opponents? The

00:05:57

state has other clashes,

00:06:02

so the

00:06:03

internal situation is of

00:06:06

great importance for it. Apparently

00:06:09

this is also of a demonstrative nature.

00:06:11

as if a warning But

00:06:14

look, imagine over the past

00:06:17

time that we have not seen with you two

00:06:20

chairmen of the apple department,

00:06:23

one in Kamchatka and the other in

00:06:30

Yakutia, they were convicted

00:06:31

for their position, they

00:06:35

were simply convicted there, they were banned there from

00:06:39

traveling outside the region to use

00:06:42

the Internet, you have to pay an insane

00:06:45

fine It’s clear that the next step is

00:06:47

something similar to what we are

00:06:49

discussing.

00:06:51

This is what we are talking about. We

00:06:58

all support everything possible.

00:07:02

How can you say what if

00:07:12

Gorinov received seven years but

00:07:17

8.5 Dmitry Ivanov This is what recusal is,

00:07:20

this is a transition to another quality 25 this already

00:07:24

so

00:07:26

late Stalin 25 is already I don’t even know

00:07:30

what it is 25 there I

00:07:33

don’t have maybe a comment no

00:07:37

comments the

00:07:39

general question is that I have

00:07:42

an assumption why this is happening but I

00:07:45

won’t share it Why

00:07:47

Because I would like my

00:07:50

guess

00:07:58

speaking about the fact that the state is strengthening

00:08:03

these deadlines, that the main thing here is

00:08:05

to punish a specific person,

00:08:08

to scare others, to ban, that here, that’s

00:08:12

what here, this

00:08:22

is an indicative action

00:08:25

and it certainly works,

00:08:28

without any doubt, it works to its fullest There’s

00:08:35

nothing to even assume here, this is this,

00:08:39

this is corporate. such a system

00:08:42

it works like this

00:08:45

Tell me when we talk, I absolutely

00:08:48

agree with you That Volodya Kormurza

00:08:50

Patriot

00:08:52

that British citizenship

00:08:56

remembers anything you know This is

00:08:59

the story about Admiral Chichevoy and about all the

00:09:02

others

00:09:05

because I know him From work

00:09:09

or someone close to me- then,

00:09:11

but I know that his whole

00:09:16

structure is there, maybe he made some mistakes,

00:09:18

but this is life

00:09:21

and work, anything can happen there. But I know the

00:09:24

main core. That’s why I say yes,

00:09:27

no, I absolutely agree that Volodya

00:09:29

Kormurza is a Patriot of which few uh

00:09:35

Yes he’s a romantic person, he could quite

00:09:39

calmly uh lay low and he

00:09:42

never had anything that contradicted

00:09:44

his conversations on the sidelines and

00:09:46

his public conversations. That’s absolutely

00:09:48

right, that’s right. I remember

00:09:51

you and I together saying goodbye to our friend

00:09:54

his father. his father Volodya Sr. And

00:09:59

then we talked a lot there from

00:10:01

Volodya Jr. then it was no different

00:10:03

from those conversations that he had in

00:10:05

public, I’m talking about this is exactly what I

00:10:08

wanted to say about what I heard there and

00:10:11

what I know He’s such a person He’s real

00:10:16

My question is this: And now, uh, for uh, for many

00:10:20

years in our state, we are faced

00:10:23

with the teething of patriotism,

00:10:26

by the way, an excellent question, but what? Well,

00:10:31

they zulped patriotism, the patriots gave it

00:10:34

some very special look,

00:10:36

you support the state, you support

00:10:38

any policy,

00:10:40

listen to

00:10:43

well-known,

00:10:45

apparently historical ones. how to say

00:10:50

formulas formulas

00:10:55

for example the fight against fascism Well of course it

00:10:58

will always be popular Well what is there

00:11:01

to ask the fight against Nazism in our

00:11:03

country it will always be popular

00:11:07

patriotism Well of course in our country with

00:11:10

all people in the broad sense of the word it

00:11:13

will be popular it means that you love

00:11:16

your Motherland Well, here’s how each of these

00:11:20

terms is used by different political

00:11:23

forces, it’s generally accepted, it’s everywhere. No, I

00:11:26

understand that it’s everywhere, but they

00:11:27

privatized it because they have

00:11:29

Moscow’s funds. Information Well,

00:11:32

this is how Grigory Alekseevich, as an

00:11:35

outstanding economist, there is no word here, the

00:11:41

economic word usurpation has changed

00:11:43

privatization is correct Yes, they

00:11:46

privatized these words, they

00:11:48

made it as if they were their own and they believe

00:11:51

that, well, this is the same as

00:11:54

Propaganda They are in this way,

00:11:58

but in the present, patriotism never

00:12:01

speaks

00:12:02

of love for parents, as of love,

00:12:34

benefit and future, which is

00:12:38

really needed for countries Here you

00:12:41

can disagree You can completely

00:12:43

think that one

00:12:48

person and his achievements

00:12:50

Freedom of

00:12:52

human rights

00:12:54

conscience Freedom of conscience creativity is the

00:12:58

most important thing

00:13:00

they will tell you no some territory

00:13:04

but when is it Excuse me Grigory

00:13:08

Alekseevich when does this happen And this

00:13:11

discussion happens

00:13:15

when the discussion happens in the parliament of the

00:13:18

free press When it happens

00:13:21

in dialogue all the time, who

00:13:25

will prove they are the only one standing

00:13:27

in a cage or holding on there as if standing in a cage

00:13:31

At the trial Like Volodya or like Alexei

00:13:34

Navalny

00:13:35

somewhere in a colony,

00:13:38

everyone discuss this

00:13:43

Forgive me,

00:13:50

of course, the question

00:13:58

Which of the patriotisms of truth will they tell you

00:14:00

that there again NATO threatened Ukraine

00:14:03

wanted to recapture the Krasnodar region and we

00:14:07

are defending ourselves and in general we are defending ourselves because

00:14:09

returning to your first question

00:14:11

we are saving the population, we are saving these

00:14:14

people, you are calling on us to love so we are

00:14:16

saving them, we are saving the Donetsk people,

00:14:18

we are saving the Crimean ones, and so on. what are they saying?

00:14:22

Well, what does everyone say, who wants what, what in

00:14:25

fact, what, in fact, a

00:14:26

person, well, no, no, well, no, well,

00:14:33

this is when, really, in every

00:14:37

step of yours, in every action of yours, you

00:14:39

defend the life, freedom,

00:14:43

dignity, honor of any

00:14:46

citizen. and not even a citizen, but any

00:14:49

person who lives in your country is

00:14:51

easy to distinguish.

00:14:54

Well, I insist that for

00:14:57

me and for my colleagues and for my

00:14:59

comrades And this is the main thing I wanted to say

00:15:02

today that in Christianity This is also I

00:15:06

think the most important So all this is

00:15:10

different from the fact that there is someone there

00:15:12

something something And then but this is

00:15:15

Propaganda Well, how will you prove

00:15:16

what is true and what is not true Well, after

00:15:19

such concerts I don’t even know such

00:15:22

theatrical performances as the leaking of

00:15:24

secret documents there are hundreds or thousands of

00:15:28

pages from the General Staff of the US Army,

00:15:33

it all turns into some kind of

00:15:35

nonsense. In modern conditions, this is it,

00:15:38

but this is a separate topic, this is a topic and

00:15:42

nonsense at the same time, ah, but a clash of opinions, a

00:15:45

clash, and where is the criterion, the criterion that does

00:15:49

not exist, not a fact Not truths, not

00:15:52

prospects, not strategists, and just that you just

00:15:55

need to know a

00:15:58

little, you need to know about it, you need to understand this, there are

00:16:00

not very many such people, you are absolutely

00:16:03

right, that’s the way it is. And I was talking about something else,

00:16:05

I said that it’s a very funny

00:16:08

story,

00:16:09

how their documents are leaked and I I

00:16:13

still don’t know. Personally, I see how

00:16:16

everyone is discussing them there, but I still

00:16:19

can’t firmly say that these are real

00:16:22

documents or are they some kind of special

00:16:24

invention, so this is all to do

00:16:26

to confuse someone’s head. I don’t

00:16:29

I know, well, it’s just that this method inspired me, a

00:16:32

twenty-year-old boy

00:16:33

managed

00:16:35

to make the largest

00:16:42

disclosure of secret

00:16:46

US documents in many decades. This is after Snowden, some new

00:16:49

completely

00:16:50

regular story. I’m just surprised how

00:16:53

this can happen and I’m not at all sure

00:16:55

that you can believe what’s

00:16:57

written there or not to believe Well, I’m saying all this, why

00:17:00

are there so many lies around

00:17:03

all this, how many lies that are not so

00:17:07

easy for people to understand, not so easy,

00:17:10

this is

00:17:12

what Alexey Alekseevich brought there

00:17:15

Yes, I have doubts there, not just in

00:17:17

every phrase in every word from what

00:17:19

you named And that’s all And these doubts Well, I’m

00:17:23

here to put it mildly that this doubt is

00:17:25

simply, well, nothing for me to talk about, there’s

00:17:28

nothing to talk about there There’s simply no

00:17:31

content, why does this work on a massive scale

00:17:35

and so and how just like that with one click Now let’s

00:17:39

type just

00:17:41

explain very well with

00:17:48

20 television channels, each of which

00:17:52

has a target audience, but which Everyone

00:17:55

says the same thing only in different

00:17:57

forms for different audiences, it is

00:18:00

very effective as for networks, they are

00:18:03

not effective anywhere in the world from this point of

00:18:07

view, examples of

00:18:10

yellow vests in France

00:18:13

Well, there was a colossal protest and nothing

00:18:16

happened because it was all

00:18:17

online And remembering is not at all as

00:18:21

concentrated as When she leaves

00:18:23

television I know I’m just a simple fact

00:18:28

Grigory Alekseevich I know how much you don’t

00:18:31

like comparing analogies, just yes the

00:18:34

Internet era was a lot of

00:18:37

powerful

00:18:38

mining movements strikes in the twenties

00:18:40

in Great Britain in the same Great Britain in

00:18:43

the seventies when there really were

00:18:45

only television and newspapers, but the

00:18:48

newspapers were very different and so on they did not

00:18:50

bring success they did not bring success a

00:18:53

lot of movements did not bring success

00:18:59

Look in the most cultural and developed

00:19:03

country in

00:19:04

Europe

00:19:15

only with with the help of the newspaper, radio and

00:19:18

marching along the street,

00:19:24

mobilized in one direction, hammered the

00:19:27

brains,

00:19:29

made

00:19:34

fascism nationalism, Nazism the key issue

00:19:37

and brought the matter to the point that you Well, what am I

00:19:41

going to tell you, you know very well, yes,

00:19:43

the Holocaust And before all the

00:19:45

communists at the same time Why are the

00:19:47

communists then behind whom the mass of

00:19:49

everything stand simply because they

00:19:52

had a lot of everything, firstly, what came

00:19:56

from Moscow when the communists were told not

00:19:59

to deal with the Social Democrats there in

00:20:01

Germany, these are the mistakes of politics Well, that’s how it is

00:20:06

Well,

00:20:08

ask, I’ll answer you

00:20:19

when she came to power, of course the people

00:20:23

he raised the economy He raised the standard of

00:20:27

living

00:20:37

fantasy, from your words now I

00:20:41

understand this The people who are influenced on the

00:20:45

one hand

00:20:46

Purposeful propaganda on the other hand here is the

00:20:48

spread in social networks in modern times

00:20:51

But in this regard, and about our country,

00:20:54

naturally about our country without analogy

00:20:57

and yet people accepted this

00:21:00

Propaganda, they believe it, it means

00:21:04

that it was something other than it, they

00:21:08

partly believe in it, partly don’t believe in it. I

00:21:12

don’t know, they all, well, a significant

00:21:14

part,

00:21:15

more or less, believe in it,

00:21:17

besides

00:21:20

this is accompanied by a certain

00:21:22

social policy As you know,

00:21:24

there are constant increases in pension benefits,

00:21:29

constant statements that social

00:21:32

policy is inviolable and the

00:21:34

necessary money will always be allocated for it,

00:21:37

and so on and so on and this is how it

00:21:38

happens and it really really

00:21:40

works and we live in a

00:21:45

very poor Country. Here is my point of view:

00:21:49

80 percent of Russian residents live in poverty,

00:21:54

80%. I personally think so, I can prove this.

00:21:56

Only 20% of Moscow residents,

00:22:00

literally several other

00:22:02

big cities, and all other people have

00:22:05

colossal problems in everyday

00:22:07

life, so even small advances

00:22:10

in social programs certainly make a

00:22:15

certain impression on people, and in

00:22:19

addition, the

00:22:20

older generation still compares

00:22:22

Sorry with the 90s there is something to

00:22:25

compare with, and this is very

00:22:29

different, they never receive

00:22:33

information that this is simply due

00:22:35

to the fact that there were oil prices of 15

00:22:38

dollars and then they became 120-130

00:22:40

dollars, it was just a coincidence of

00:22:42

circumstances that gave possibility But this

00:22:44

was the principle of the beginning of the two thousandth when the

00:22:47

government came to be headed by Putin

00:22:50

said you don’t get involved in politics, you do

00:22:53

n’t do anything, he look, remember

00:22:56

how many comic programs there were,

00:22:58

endless giggling, and we

00:23:01

will raise the level for you and a real agreement

00:23:03

Yes yes That’s right That’s the type

00:23:07

social contract and you know

00:23:09

one person who directly implemented this

00:23:11

social contract

00:23:12

and told how to

00:23:15

implement it, suggested by

00:23:17

the late Pavlovsky, this is one of those who

00:23:20

literally disappeared. It was a whole

00:23:24

direction of depoliticization of people,

00:23:26

people will be pushed aside,

00:23:30

besides, we also have

00:23:33

such a

00:23:35

very

00:23:36

significant history with us what happened with the press

00:23:39

in general, we got

00:23:42

such a thing that Well, let’s say a

00:23:46

newspaper or Well, some kind of

00:23:49

mass media, it

00:23:52

investigates all sorts of crimes, all sorts of

00:23:56

terrible stories, this is a very serious,

00:23:59

courageous matter and people

00:24:03

sometimes sacrifice not only their

00:24:06

health, the life of their victim in order to

00:24:09

then people read this for years and that

00:24:15

nothing happens

00:24:18

and I explain why, but because the authorities are on the

00:24:21

completely different side,

00:24:24

nothing happens. Oh, it’s not

00:24:26

them, but they continue, we are not

00:24:30

talking about this newspaper, about any newspaper, they

00:24:32

continue the same thing, they continue, and people

00:24:35

continue they read, they read and nothing happens,

00:24:36

people would wait for those who say this to

00:24:41

say, but he will fix it. But they need to

00:24:47

bring in the authorities, they will fix everything, but

00:24:51

because of our childhood, they came up with the idea that everyone is outside of

00:24:55

politics, somewhere above the fray, and

00:24:58

it’s all over the fact that the

00:25:01

colossal disappointment of the people, a

00:25:04

small part of the people went to the streets to

00:25:06

shout

00:25:07

at the rally, activism like that themselves went

00:25:14

from the big one with a small part left to

00:25:17

shout,

00:25:22

went into a state of depoliticization

00:25:24

Grigory Alekseevich without development,

00:25:28

now we are not influencing anything, you

00:25:31

no one will listen to us Yes, you say

00:25:34

that the

00:25:35

media should be

00:25:38

partisan no I say that the

00:25:42

media should be

00:25:44

examples like the New York Times okay these are the

00:25:46

ones that are deportian but when the

00:25:49

critical moment of the elections comes they

00:25:52

become partisan just like him

00:25:55

Street Journal only on the other side in the

00:25:56

same way like the Washington Post If

00:25:59

you think that our

00:26:01

media is smarter or stronger, then

00:26:04

this is not so, or maybe there is something

00:26:06

American conservatory in a

00:26:08

slightly different way, in general, everything is different,

00:26:13

but the essence is this, everything is different

00:26:23

in this regard,

00:26:25

calls to non-participation in elections, boycott of

00:26:29

elections This is also for politicization,

00:26:33

like shouting, vote for anyone,

00:26:36

this is also a form of polarization, this is

00:26:40

such a creation in people, the feeling that it doesn’t

00:26:43

matter if I’m here or I’m not here, I’m

00:26:46

participating, I’m not participating, and the authorities only

00:26:48

need this,

00:26:49

the corporation who seized power in

00:26:53

the way she seized it, she will

00:26:56

never let her go and she needs the

00:26:59

people to be in exactly this position

00:27:02

and now this is my

00:27:05

step, this is what you asked me So that

00:27:11

now is a special moment so that

00:27:14

even the manifestation of no it was therefore

00:27:17

these are the methods here

00:27:20

at our last joint we

00:27:24

asked the question Will apple

00:27:27

participate in the September elections in

00:27:29

particular in Moscow But in another 25 regions

00:27:31

and you said no yet And now we have

00:27:35

decided Well, what about you just

00:27:37

said And you just that they said that not

00:27:39

to participate in the elections Yes,

00:27:41

she is the government Yes, calmly, I’m trying

00:27:44

to catch calmly after the twenty-

00:27:47

fourth, this is a different life and a

00:27:49

different system, the conversation is all over, that’s why there is

00:27:51

no need to compare with what is

00:27:55

this who is talking about Okay, let’s come

00:27:57

now Yes, the answer to this question will be

00:27:59

in the fall Because because

00:28:01

yes what kind of elections because

00:28:05

in the summer when because this is well yes

00:28:09

presidential elections talk No I

00:28:12

was talking about intermediate ones

00:28:15

there will be in each case

00:28:31

100%

00:28:36

introduced

00:28:56

last year

00:28:59

then Grigory Alekseevich Then the question

00:29:02

is after February 24 the situation

00:29:05

changed dramatically Absolutely agree but when

00:29:09

the situation

00:29:10

changed back in Peacetime,

00:29:13

relatively Peacetime, it changed

00:29:16

so much that not a single conditional Karamurza,

00:29:20

not a single conditional Navalny, not one

00:29:22

conditional Yashin, not one person could in

00:29:27

certain As you say serious

00:29:29

elections, which I do not agree for me, all

00:29:31

serious and The lower they are all the more serious

00:29:33

for me, but it

00:29:36

was impossible not to register anyone;

00:29:39

the parties were removed from the elections; they weren’t allowed. That’s

00:29:42

exactly what you’re saying now;

00:29:43

talk about the most serious topics and conduct

00:29:48

debates

00:29:54

so that they participate in ’13, ’13,

00:29:58

you forgot, and someone is the Kremlin, the Kremlin.

00:30:02

Excuse me. released after the

00:30:05

court decision was five years Kremlin

00:30:09

Yes, he went to jail, he let him go, he let

00:30:14

him go, he let him go, he let him go,

00:30:16

it means like this. Therefore, there were such games

00:30:20

and they were so expensive, they gave signatures,

00:30:23

they let someone in, they didn’t let someone in

00:30:27

absolutely. Disgusting question.

00:30:30

Please tell me the topic is municipal and the signatures

00:30:33

as they are called

00:30:35

municipal signatures

00:30:37

municipal and the apple was taken by force

00:30:42

or something Or is this still being decided

00:30:44

in all the latest elections Which ones are

00:30:47

still needed

00:30:54

no The last time we didn’t exhibit no the

00:30:57

thirteenth year we mean the

00:30:58

thirteenth year There he gave signatures to everyone

00:31:00

and that’s it And you gave it to everyone Well, I’m talking about

00:31:03

this to you, including those who later

00:31:07

said that he defeated everyone Well,

00:31:09

well, the Kremlin gave to everyone Yes, everything means in

00:31:12

the situation When the Kremlin took everything and

00:31:16

took everything When the Kremlin with banks That’s

00:31:18

when it gives out Well, all these there is a

00:31:22

country where the Kremlin has an ATM. Well,

00:31:25

we took part in the elections and then got

00:31:28

results that seemed dangerous;

00:31:31

many of the results were not there.

00:31:35

Why then again then there was no

00:31:42

mayor? Sorry, that means no one except United

00:31:46

Russia can collect a certain number of

00:31:48

signatures because yes

00:31:51

and in the elections in September, respectively,

00:32:08

and this is now a different, fundamentally different

00:32:10

matter, it may not be so for you. For me, I did

00:32:13

n’t say that everything has changed in general in the world

00:32:15

everything has changed, especially since February 24,

00:32:18

everyone is assessed,

00:32:22

which means then here we are. In addition, in addition,

00:32:27

participation in elections is

00:32:30

sometimes the only way to talk

00:32:33

to people there is no longer any way to

00:32:36

participate in elections,

00:32:38

these elections have been especially big for a long time,

00:32:42

this is a referendum, these are no

00:32:44

elections But this is an opportunity

00:32:48

Say very important things And so

00:32:50

that Millions of people hear you as an

00:32:54

exception You have the opportunity

00:32:55

to say what Do you think it is necessary so

00:32:59

that you have no other methods in

00:33:02

our country today for a long time?

00:33:04

So there is no Then the question

00:33:09

then the question You say that you

00:33:14

consider it a condition for participation in elections and the

00:33:16

election campaign to talk about peace

00:33:20

You talk about ending the code,

00:33:24

why not at random?

00:33:27

Apple is an official party,

00:33:30

no one has dispersed

00:33:33

or banned the existing party, although they are persecuting Yabloko members,

00:33:36

we know that,

00:33:38

register and talk about peace,

00:33:40

talk about stopping

00:33:44

today, I explain once again

00:33:47

whether there will be such a

00:33:50

possibility

00:33:51

because many

00:33:58

of them were not touched. Although they said the

00:34:01

same thing. some of them got here like I’m

00:34:03

telling you. Besides,

00:34:06

as you may remember very well, in

00:34:10

21 we were a foreign agent, our

00:34:13

bulletin was written that the apple was a

00:34:15

foreign agent

00:34:17

Yes, because they had Brewers on the

00:34:20

list, it

00:34:27

was big, it was big, it was in the

00:34:31

bulletin everywhere she was She was everywhere

00:34:34

she was everywhere it was prescribed for us,

00:34:37

so it means, although there was a

00:34:44

smart vote there

00:34:58

too, thank you to me, too,

00:35:01

now I have to say Thank you,

00:35:04

since you voted, comrades in the party

00:35:08

called me a preacher of smart

00:35:10

voting, I went to the Venedictus,

00:35:13

they say that you are cheating please in

00:35:16

the elections please vote for me

00:35:19

then they think that the apple reads that

00:35:22

I voted like a smart vote I

00:35:25

voted for the apple Lyoshka The Moscow region

00:35:30

became good I didn’t know anything about this I want to

00:35:34

officially say thank you from the party

00:35:36

I value you very much comrades let me

00:35:38

be deleted from these same ones. Well, I don’t know

00:35:40

who will say. And you are talking about depoliticization

00:35:45

after the twenty-fourth.

00:35:48

Let’s check the schedule, yes. And what could

00:35:51

be your understanding of correct

00:35:55

politicization if

00:35:57

you are like an apple, you don’t make a choice? And

00:36:01

choice That’s so or else voting

00:36:03

choice is a kind of politicization for war

00:36:07

against war For peace against

00:36:11

peace but you say depoliticization how to

00:36:14

return people to politicization I’m

00:36:18

asking you after 24 hours in my opinion

00:36:21

after the 24th people were returned to

00:36:25

politicization everything is good, what can I even say What does it have to do with it

00:36:27

found

00:36:30

How do you feel Excellent Excellent

00:36:32

this is very suspicious precisely

00:36:35

because you feel excellent means

00:36:37

politicization can be different white Red

00:36:40

blue Green What are you talking about

00:36:44

These are different words maybe

00:36:48

maybe politicization for fascism maybe

00:36:52

politicization for Nazism maybe police

00:36:54

for dictatorship maybe be for anything

00:36:58

you said after 24 people returned what

00:37:09

In the sense of the policy that

00:37:11

Russia is pursuing today, this is Russia, this is a

00:37:14

special special policy, the name of

00:37:18

which is conditional What does this mean, you

00:37:22

understand perfectly well this is a movement to

00:37:26

Ukraine, these are territories and this is now a

00:37:30

clash, a military clash completely

00:37:33

Western world and with NATO, including it is

00:37:37

still so absent, but it is already really

00:37:40

happening and it is really happening on the

00:37:44

territory of Ukraine,

00:37:45

that’s all That’s their story

00:37:48

Do I understand the picture correctly,

00:37:51

now you will say right or

00:37:52

wrong this picture first before

00:37:55

politicization Then politicization means

00:37:57

calls for politicization, the conclusion of such an

00:38:00

agreement, you are having fun getting

00:38:05

rich,

00:38:08

and at this time it means

00:38:13

the people were decomposed, having fun and then generally lost

00:38:17

all sorts of guidelines in political life,

00:38:20

very many any guidelines can be

00:38:24

taken lukewarmly,

00:38:30

I will express my point of view, perhaps it is

00:38:33

Controversial, but my point of view this is

00:38:39

I love our people,

00:38:42

I know them to some extent,

00:38:45

and so I want to tell you

00:38:48

that everything that has happened in our country

00:38:51

since 1991 is

00:38:55

not connected with the people, but is connected with the elite,

00:39:00

and the people in all countries are the same or

00:39:03

almost the same Well, at least those I am

00:39:07

not comparing European peoples,

00:39:09

African peoples, there are other features, but

00:39:13

this is the Circle of Nations All nations are approximately

00:39:16

the same, they live their lives as children,

00:39:20

earnings,

00:39:22

everyday difficulties, everyday

00:39:25

happiness, health of parents, education, and

00:39:29

so on All the peoples in the world, it’s a

00:39:33

question of

00:39:35

what elites they have and they are all determine and

00:39:40

everything that happened to us is

00:39:42

the responsibility, first of all, first

00:39:45

of all, of

00:39:46

those whom, in the broad sense of the word, I do

00:39:50

n’t really like this, but I don’t know what

00:39:52

else to apply, this is a corporation, the

00:39:54

elite, the

00:39:56

political class, yes, well, they can

00:39:58

say so, Well, that’s all, therefore, to the people It is

00:40:02

all he who is a

00:40:06

hostage, he is the suffering

00:40:10

party. It is to him that we need to extend

00:40:13

a hand now, it is he who needs to be

00:40:17

helped, because it is he who finds himself in a

00:40:21

position where

00:40:23

for centuries he turns out to be just a

00:40:26

tool

00:40:28

and not

00:40:31

decisive, although the whole life in the country depends

00:40:35

on him and he is deprived of any rights

00:40:39

of all possibilities, we have not yet completed the reform of

00:40:43

1861 to this day

00:40:45

We have not yet given the people land, the

00:40:49

largest country in the world,

00:40:51

any rights local self-government is the

00:40:54

Key Thing Here, invite the

00:40:58

bright and intelligent man Travkin to your place, he

00:41:01

will tell you what local

00:41:03

self-government is what is the point,

00:41:08

by the way, this is what I

00:41:11

wanted to emphasize to you, this whole

00:41:13

system of local self-government, there are

00:41:16

new systems of

00:41:20

budget initiation when the budget of

00:41:22

local

00:41:24

communities is built from below, they are built from above using the

00:41:27

residual method, these decisions are already

00:41:30

ready, this is all needed, this is no one, nothing

00:41:33

doesn’t give handouts and shut up That’s

00:41:36

all, and the

00:41:40

political class, when they came to

00:41:43

agreements, cut some corners,

00:41:45

cut other corners. I mean, in the

00:41:48

nineties, too, they completely cut

00:41:50

corners and came to an agreement. And those who

00:41:53

took advantage of this, now the

00:41:56

Elite has narrowed the very thing that pulled out all the

00:42:00

rubbish, by the way, and the people,

00:42:01

look at it because you touched it,

00:42:06

I can’t say they

00:42:09

just took it and did it, they say three three

00:42:13

old men discuss the future

00:42:20

if you don’t understand what happened,

00:42:23

then there is no way to do anything in the future, but

00:42:28

what happened next was the 90s a

00:42:32

corporate closed

00:42:35

semi-criminal system was built and it

00:42:39

was called reforms, everyone clapped their

00:42:41

hands and pretended to be something, but

00:42:44

in reality there was only this And

00:42:47

this led to the fact that this one ended up with

00:42:50

just such a leader and not some other Leader

00:42:53

and then he simply developed this system,

00:42:56

developed it in a natural way to what

00:42:58

we have today, that’s

00:43:01

all. This can all be

00:43:05

written in three volumes, or it can be explained in 2 minutes,

00:43:11

and the essence of this reality, let’s say there, it

00:43:15

consisted of three things in three, first, a

00:43:20

combination of property and power, an

00:43:22

organic connection through loans-for-shares

00:43:25

auctions, we all no longer had an

00:43:28

independent business, and

00:43:30

financing became independent, and the

00:43:33

press became independent, and an independent

00:43:36

parliament of independent parties became

00:43:37

independent,

00:43:39

everything was already mortgaged for the second,

00:43:43

prices increased 26 times. And this is unemployment,

00:43:47

crime, and everything you want and the

00:43:50

inability to carry out normal

00:43:52

privatization;

00:43:53

implementation. How is it possible? it was 10 years without

00:43:57

solving the

00:43:58

most important historical problem about the

00:44:02

attitude towards Stalinism, Bolshevism and the

00:44:06

coup of 1917,

00:44:10

no assessment of society, no assessment of

00:44:14

the state, public assessment was not

00:44:16

given, everything came back in modern forms.

00:44:19

Please tell me, Grigory Alekseevich,

00:44:22

it would be in the way assessment, political and

00:44:27

legal assessment of the Stalin regime,

00:44:30

assessment of the coup of 17, assessment many

00:44:34

other actions would have been prevented by her rolling back

00:44:37

like this, as now

00:44:39

one Putin in the tenth year

00:44:43

kneels in front of the Katyn memorial and

00:44:45

the other Putin is now pulling out the suede

00:44:49

confessions of the Germans, which he denied long ago

00:44:51

and now says it’s still

00:44:54

the Germans, Putin was simply pouring out like a nightingale in the

00:44:58

tenth year when he said that yes, this is us

00:45:02

and we need to look at our history, it’s

00:45:05

Stalin’s fault, take it, and so on so

00:45:07

that it interfered, it interfered, which did not stop us

00:45:10

now roll back

00:45:19

firstly, when I’m talking about the assessment of the

00:45:22

Stalinist period

00:45:23

I’m talking about the system of laws,

00:45:27

laws should have been passed if you

00:45:31

you will be interested in how Germany proceeded on

00:45:34

all these issues. Yes, and the whole of Europe on

00:45:37

the Holocaust, for example,

00:45:38

adopted all the relevant

00:45:40

legislative acts

00:45:43

and everything in these acts says that if

00:45:46

you do not understand this, that you will be judged and

00:45:49

punished, this is what we are talking about, not

00:45:53

entertainment and not conversations about nothing

00:45:56

now

00:45:59

If you want to have such a complex conversation,

00:46:01

what happened in 1910, what did

00:46:04

you say, yes

00:46:07

Adam I think the problem was that

00:46:10

the response was not what he

00:46:13

needed, they did

00:46:14

n’t like

00:46:18

you, this is a special topic altogether. Like these like

00:46:22

these citizens behaved so to speak, what

00:46:25

they did is a special topic, we don’t

00:46:28

like to discuss it. But if you think

00:46:30

that they are all white fluffy, then you don’t have to

00:46:32

think that way, don’t, for now I’ll tell you

00:46:36

because we finish everything with fluffy ones.

00:46:38

These are rabbits with red

00:46:40

I don’t know what color are their eyes, but I

00:46:45

mean those who were like partners for 20 years,

00:46:51

so I’ll say that they had to think and

00:46:54

work, but this was not enough

00:46:56

and on the wrong topic and in the wrong direction,

00:47:00

they gradually gradually begin to

00:47:05

come to this. just like now,

00:47:07

for example, gradually, dear

00:47:10

friends, I wanted to tell you that

00:47:20

the idea of the need for a

00:47:23

ceasefire and the start of negotiations is growing sharply in intellectual expert military circles;

00:47:34

here it is

00:47:37

calculated,

00:47:38

but there are very serious, in my opinion,

00:47:42

very serious

00:47:44

people who talk about this there at the

00:47:49

level of the chief of the

00:47:51

joint chief of staff of the

00:47:53

United States or there the head of the former

00:47:57

head of the NATO military committee is now

00:47:59

the president of the Czech Republic, yes, or what was

00:48:02

especially important to me This is about this about the

00:48:05

need

00:48:06

necessity and understanding of the need

00:48:10

in this part says the

00:48:13

commander of the ground forces, the former

00:48:16

commander of the ground forces of Poland,

00:48:18

Poland in this regard is very very

00:48:21

important. Just the other day a

00:48:24

huge article was published directly about

00:48:28

this with very strong arguments.

00:48:32

And it was published by Richard Hars, who was the

00:48:37

fallen chief adviser and is now the

00:48:40

president of the council in international

00:48:42

relations,

00:48:44

I can continue the very interesting

00:48:47

comparisons that have now been made with

00:48:50

Ireland,

00:48:52

for example, there is a

00:48:54

person who

00:48:57

was the profit of the one who led to these

00:49:02

agreements,

00:49:04

so he wrote a big article and there is a

00:49:08

key thing that

00:49:11

when people categorically hate each

00:49:14

other,

00:49:16

nevertheless, we must

00:49:19

strive to look for an opportunity

00:49:21

agree

00:49:24

otherwise it can’t be decided otherwise it’s

00:49:28

infinity so for me, for

00:49:32

example,

00:49:34

the fact that

00:49:38

practically all the people who make the

00:49:40

decision say that there

00:49:43

will soon be a counter-offensive

00:49:45

to be continued no one says that people

00:49:48

will die,

00:49:50

but then almost everyone is already writing Well,

00:49:53

after that Counter on which he

00:49:56

will achieve something, maybe he won’t achieve something,

00:49:58

most likely he won’t achieve anything, maybe he will get something,

00:50:01

maybe he doesn’t trust it

00:50:03

in the fall, we’ll have to start

00:50:05

talking, well, before the Autumn, how many

00:50:08

people are there?

00:50:14

That’s another topic. When will

00:50:18

this start? and it has no direct relation to this, it

00:50:21

has to do with the fact that negotiations

00:50:23

will be built on this, including negotiations,

00:50:27

they will not work out for a long time, they will break

00:50:30

down, everyone will come back. Well, for

00:50:33

now, not even attempts are being made,

00:50:36

and I say again These are not just

00:50:38

intellectual attempts, this is conservation

00:50:40

lives of thousands and maybe

00:50:44

tens of thousands of people and maybe more than that Well,

00:50:47

you should understand all this perfectly well That’s

00:50:50

what we’re talking about there is no

00:50:53

other development of events no Well no that’s

00:50:56

all nevertheless without a side I

00:51:00

have the military sides

00:51:02

believe that how much I understand that they believe

00:51:04

that a counteroffensive

00:51:07

will bring them some kind of military victory and after

00:51:10

that, just when there will be a more favorable

00:51:14

situation on the ground

00:51:19

for it to be more profitable to

00:51:22

pay. This is,

00:51:25

firstly, and secondly, it is

00:51:28

not at all a fact that it will be more understandable.

00:51:34

secondly, this is the price of people. And if it’s still like

00:51:37

this, maybe

00:51:40

look at it from this point of view, the

00:51:43

one we started the conversation today,

00:51:45

maybe look at it from this

00:51:48

side, that there’s nothing more important than the lives of these

00:51:51

people, there’s

00:51:54

nothing more important than the lives of these people. for the sake of

00:51:57

this, everything is still being done Well, I

00:52:01

understand mine, yes, you adhere to a different one, but

00:52:03

please Well, it’s clear Alexey Alekseevich

00:52:06

Yes, but I’m a person Another point of view

00:52:10

Which will need to be explained later, it will be necessary to

00:52:14

give an explanation Speaking of points

00:52:17

of view, there was a very strange question

00:52:19

after that as we talked about the

00:52:21

nineties and about all this and here

00:52:25

someone is probably quite young and says

00:52:28

why were you silent in the nineties,

00:52:29

this is something like a

00:52:35

year ago

00:52:54

in the hands of Boris Nikolayevich Yes,

00:52:57

hands are said to be kept away from the young reformers

00:52:59

all the best Thank you, I’m not

00:53:03

sure that people haven’t rebuilt themselves

00:53:06

after 2000. It seems to me that many

00:53:08

people are saying hands off dear

00:53:10

Vladimir Vladimirovich approximately text

00:53:13

Perhaps

00:53:16

you know them better, I already know them Well, what

00:53:19

about your voters, our viewers No,

00:53:21

this is not about Voters,

00:53:25

not Voters wrote to you This is a very

00:53:29

private, very closed corporate

00:53:32

group Nobody from Khabarovsk and

00:53:36

Vladivostok

00:53:43

you want again

00:53:54

that of course individual people could

00:53:57

meet in any environment But I believe

00:54:00

that

00:54:03

90 percent of the responsibility for everything that

00:54:06

happened in Russia in the last 30 years

00:54:09

lies with the Elite of Russia I have one last

00:54:12

question about this, I agree more than

00:54:16

Venedikt I have a question for one minute

00:54:19

if we determine who it is The Elite will be

00:54:22

you

00:54:24

will not be weak at all all those who are

00:54:27

sitting here at the table too I have a question about

00:54:31

this and the military confrontation

00:54:33

the Russian people are responsible for this or is

00:54:36

it a sacrifice

00:54:39

than what

00:54:50

were there chances to express one’s opinion there were

00:54:53

such chances they were gradually

00:54:57

removed they were eliminated

00:54:59

but in principle they were there and

00:55:03

there were opportunities and they looked closely they protest does not

00:55:06

protest how they behave towards everything

00:55:11

Yes, but you just know that responsibility

00:55:15

As in all other cases, different in

00:55:18

one case it is a fine of 20,000 rubles and in

00:55:21

another case life imprisonment;

00:55:24

different responsibilities. The elite have a

00:55:28

huge responsibility. But the people,

00:55:31

of course, have it, and I have it; we

00:55:33

all have it.

00:55:36

Thank you Grigory Alekseevich We

00:55:39

will meet again. Everyone talks about wise men

00:55:42

in one pelvis that our story would be longer

00:55:45

before it was stronger we have a very

00:55:47

strong pelvis I must tell you

00:55:51

No, this is an old poem no they want That's

00:55:56

it, enough talking about this We have a

00:55:59

very strong pelvis and our journey our

00:56:02

story will be very, very long

00:56:06

yes

00:56:09

yes I’ll read something to you, I specially prepared this

00:56:14

Orthodox theologian and philosopher Sergei, a

00:56:18

long-term prisoner of the gulag, in his

00:56:21

memoirs, told how one

00:56:24

cold camp spring

00:56:27

on the eve of Easter,

00:56:30

among the Siberian forests and swamps,

00:56:33

another prisoner, a goner, a priest

00:56:36

told him, you know when such

00:56:40

times will come, that besides the name of the Lord, people

00:56:44

will have nothing at all,

00:56:47

even this will be enough for

00:56:51

salvation

00:56:53

with the resurrection of Christ

00:57:00

Thank you very much

00:57:03

[music]

Description:

В прямом эфире канала "Живой Гвоздь" Григорий Явлинский, председатель Федерального политического комитета партии «ЯБЛОКО». Эфир ведут Сергей Бунтман и Алексей Венедиктов* Поддержать Живой гвоздь: с карт российских банков https://pay.cloudtips.ru/p/7edd7c0e с карт иностранных банков https://www.donationalerts.com/r/zhivgvozd * – власти РФ считают иностранным агентом, а ФБК** – разжигателем войны Мы выпускаем новый том комикса «Спасти»! Он посвящён предводителю крестьянского восстания, одному из самых известных самозванцев в истории России Емельяну Пугачёву. Купить: http://diletant.shop/tproduct/243589304-335282898191-kniga-spasti-emelyana-pugachyova-tom-4 Мобильное приложение "Эха": любимые программы в формате радиоприёмника. Простой интерфейс. Работа в фоновом режиме. Расписание эфиров. Скачать: в AppStore: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/%D1%8D%D1%85%D0%BE-online/id1639907671 в PlayMarket: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=online.echofm.app 🔔 Последние новости и анонсы программ с YouTube-канала «Живой гвоздь», а также контент от наших постоянных гостей и экспертов на официальном телеграм-канале: https://t.me/livegvozd Подписаться на Youtube-канал Дилетант: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuIE7-5QzeAR6EdZXwDRwuQ?sub_confirmation=1 📌 Живой гвоздь в аудиоформате: Яндекс.Музыка: https://music.yandex.ru/album/22141653?dir=desc Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%8C/id1616175210 Google Подкасты: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zb3VuZGNsb3VkLmNvbS91c2Vycy9zb3VuZGNsb3VkOnVzZXJzOjEwOTk2NzA5MDUvc291bmRzLnJzcw?sa=X&ved=0CAIQ4aUDahcKEwigxO3Eweb2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQEQ Магазин "Дилетант": https://diletant.shop/

Preparing download options

Popular

HD video

Only sound

All

* — If the video is playing in a new tab, go to it, then right-click on the video and select "Save video as..."

** — Link intended for online playback in specialized players

Questions about downloading video

How can I download "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023" video?

http://unidownloader.com/ website is the best way to download a video or a separate audio track if you want to do without installing programs and extensions.
The UDL Helper extension is a convenient button that is seamlessly integrated into YouTube, Instagram and OK.ru sites for fast content download.
UDL Client program (for Windows) is the most powerful solution that supports more than 900 websites, social networks and video hosting sites, as well as any video quality that is available in the source.
UDL Lite is a really convenient way to access a website from your mobile device. With its help, you can easily download videos directly to your smartphone.

Which format of "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023" video should I choose?

The best quality formats are FullHD (1080p), 2K (1440p), 4K (2160p) and 8K (4320p). The higher the resolution of your screen, the higher the video quality should be. However, there are other factors to consider: download speed, amount of free space, and device performance during playback.

Why does my computer freeze when loading a "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023" video?

The browser/computer should not freeze completely! If this happens, please report it with a link to the video. Sometimes videos cannot be downloaded directly in a suitable format, so we have added the ability to convert the file to the desired format. In some cases, this process may actively use computer resources.

How can I download "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023" video to my phone?

You can download a video to your smartphone using the website or the PWA application UDL Lite. It is also possible to send a download link via QR code using the UDL Helper extension.

How can I download an audio track (music) to MP3 "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023"?

The most convenient way is to use the UDL Client program, which supports converting video to MP3 format. In some cases, MP3 can also be downloaded through the UDL Helper extension.

How can I save a frame from a video "Григорий Явлинский, Алексей Венедиктов* и Сергей Бунтман / Персонально ваш // 15.04.2023"?

This feature is available in the UDL Helper extension. Make sure that "Show the video snapshot button" is checked in the settings. A camera icon should appear in the lower right corner of the player to the left of the "Settings" icon. When you click on it, the current frame from the video will be saved to your computer in JPEG format.

What's the price of all this stuff?

It costs nothing. Our services are absolutely free for all users. There are no PRO subscriptions, no restrictions on the number or maximum length of downloaded videos.