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Hello on the air program 20-23 at the
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microphone in the Berlin studio Echo Maxim
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Kurnikov and with us via video call Artemy
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Troitsky Hello Artemy
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Hello Maxim Hello everyone,
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Igor Strelkov in parentheses
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Girkin What feelings do you feel about
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this
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You know very well the feelings that this
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should have happened, in general, quite
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logically. Because here you just need to understand
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that
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Putin’s power is, first of all,
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thieves, gangsters and criminals,
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and in general, all of this ideological
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background, which now, in
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retrospect, has begun to wrap around this criminal
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history in general -before this had an
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ideological background, there was no
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nationalism, not all of these native
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Russian lands and everything else
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turned out to be the
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activities of Putin’s corporate party
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only solely to
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rob and steal in this way to
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maintain their power in order to
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rob and steal even longer and sweeter Well, here it is
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in this Putin story, from time to
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time he came across
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such romantic companions, let’s say that there were
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shooters or
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quacks,
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and there are also other numbers of people. I
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think the philosopher Dugin Yes, some degrees
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of the same breed, some people are
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ideologically charged and who, it
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means, were along the way, they believed that they
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they use Putin to achieve
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their imperial goals, and Putin simply
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simply used and continues to
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use many as so-called useful
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idiots, useful idiots who, with
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their romantic beliefs, plowed the
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land for Putin, his cooperatives and all
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that,
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and the story with Girkin is
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simply that some of the romantics
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are they finally saw the light and realized that
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Putin really wasn’t
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Alexandra Nevsky or anyone or
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even Ivan the Terrible, but just a
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mediocre ghoul and a thief,
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they naturally began to
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expose him with sincere indignation. Well,
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Putin was naturally not delighted with
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all this, but also began This is the
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purest one, which actually has a
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lot in common with the old ones, that is, the
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criminal Stalin also had, in
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general, such very romantic
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fellow travelers like the Knights of the Revolution,
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Bukharin
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Trotsky, to some extent they also want there
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was a guy
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anywhere, so naturally Naturally
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we put with them He dealt with everyone absolutely
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mercilessly, with all these romantics of
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the Revolution. Well,
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Vladimir Putin is now doing the same thing in relation to
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those who are called
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turbo-patriots.
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Naturally, by this I am in no way
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trying to
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whitewash the rifleman, he is a 100%
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criminal, a war criminal,
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recognized, among other things, by the Hague court and
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so on, and of course he should sit,
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many have already
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ironically remarked. It would be better if he gave up
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there much
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more
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than if he was stuck there for some
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season and
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so on
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Artemis for many years I often heard I don’t
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know how much you share this point of
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view that Russian nationalists are
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actually a potentially very powerful
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force; there are a lot of them; they have
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some kind of grassroots organizations, and
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as they say, they will come out for them;
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and I think that
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with these guys, especially the young ones, they were,
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as it were, useless in the context of the
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Ukrainian war, they were done to them a long time ago. Do
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you remember there was this Tesak,
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Martsinkevich was still a certain number
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of people, the number of nationalists, here they are as
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simply dangerous extremists,
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maybe, as if in a class relation, close
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but anyway, completely unnecessary and
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attracting unnecessary attention, in
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my opinion they have been scattered a long time ago, now
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I think that there is no one left, maybe there are
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some separate deep-seated
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secret cells left, maybe they
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will begin to engage in, say,
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individual terror under the label of
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combat detachments,
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but no mass movement here, in
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my opinion, there is no and cannot be the
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first question was asked specifically about what you
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feel
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Why Because Well, after all, he belongs there
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He is accused of creating an extremist
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community, as if exactly what
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needs to be done by law
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Well, yes, that’s how it is, that is, naturally
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Naturally he has recently been a
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merciless critic of Putin as well as the
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Russian Ministry of Defense. So
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I think that regarding the
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discrediting of the army regarding
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extremism
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based on some kind of
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Strelkov calls, everything is quite
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reasonable, as if it were really quite
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legal, which does not naturally note the
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extreme
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meanness and hypocrisy of
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all this companies,
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if we talk in principle About this flank
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before this, it’s really Klochkova Yes,
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some kind of investigative actions were carried out with him,
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now with
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Kirkin’s rifleman, and right there at the
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courthouse another comrade-in-arms of the
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rifleman was detained, does this mean that
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this freestyle for the so-called
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turbo-patriots is over
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I think that I wasn’t special. That is,
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they felt relatively
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unpunished. Although, as I already said,
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many of these real extremists
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like Tesak
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have already been dealt with. But it’s just that
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now they are clearly more of a headache for Putin’s government
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than
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analgin, that is they are a
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minus from their
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actions, which are not coordinated by the authorities, and
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even more so from their rhetoric, which is
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distributed very widely. I don’t know
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how many subscribers there were on
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Gerkin’s channel, but I think that we are talking
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about hundreds of thousands, so this
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[music]
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has become more and more,
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but with this is the brightest player in this field,
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Mr. Prigozhin,
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forgiven, accepted in the Kremlin,
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sent into honorable exile in Belarus.
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Well, I wouldn’t interfere with these two things. From the
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very beginning, I didn’t believe in the whole story with
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Prigozhin, and Putin and Prigozhin spoke and wrote about this.
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They are Gemini brothers these are
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two ravens which, according to a Latin
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proverb, don’t shoot each other’s eyes,
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so I didn’t believe at all
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the seriousness and reality of this so-
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called rebellion, Prigozhin, I think that the
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only purpose of this rebellion was
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some kind of showdown between Prigozhin and the
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Ministry of Turnover, that is, Prigozhin
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thought that despite the fact that really
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really close to Putin because
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and so on That is, well,
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Putin’s Gemini brothers will come in handy. So I think that
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Prigozhin was sure that when choosing between
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him and Shoigu, relatively speaking, he would choose
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Prigozhin, but for some reason,
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together with us,
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Putin decided that no that he will still
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make a bid for the Ministry of Defense
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Prigozhin will let go of the forest, but at the same time I
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repeat because they are real
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in the same criminal
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criminal community Where Putin is the boss
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Prigozhin is like that
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naturally Naturally,
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Putin didn’t do anything particularly bad to his parishioners He
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even returned the money That’s it This is a
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completely different story compared to
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the coat of arms, again as everyone writes in the
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comments, it’s surprising that
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Prigozhin
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destroyed a significant number of
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planes and helicopters of the Russian army there,
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killed so many soldiers and officers there, and so on,
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and received a full indulgence,
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which means Let’s go for a walk Vasya,
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who, on the contrary,
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supported Putin in every possible way
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So he called Prigozhin good
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words. But he’s just like everyone, so
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yes, all this, among other things, is
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as cynical and quite absurd as possible.
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I think that over time there will be many
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films and TV series made on this topic
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named after Prigozhin. Apparently, he not only
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saved some money, but he also retained
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one of his main assets, this is part of
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his army; moreover, he became a part of the army
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much closer to you, for example,
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geographically,
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how much in your opinion is this army
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still a threat to both Ukraine and possibly
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Poland? It’s
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hard for me to say. To be
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honest,
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of course I won’t in no
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case should a military expert and also
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political scientists fix everything else, I don’t think
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I don’t think that
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Putin has enough
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courage, that is, Putin is generally a coward
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Prigozhin Apparently not, but
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without Putin I wo
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n’t sign up for any serious adventures. so I don’t
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think that they really threaten, let’s say
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more, either Latvia or whoever else
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Belarus can limit, but I don’t
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think that they can really take possession of
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tactical nuclear weapons that
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were
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delivered to Belarus in advance, that is, there is a chance there is
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such a danger, no there is such a
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danger in general
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anxious feelings persist
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on earning money, again on the African
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Continent, where he belongs
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throughout the
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Putin regime brings more benefits
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than
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on Ukrainian rands on the topic How many
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people could believe that they would have
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the courage to
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invade Ukraine
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Well, the invasion of Ukraine, of course, was a
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fatal Putin’s mistake and few people
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believed in it, I can quite honestly
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say that I don’t believe it either, because I
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represent Putin’s psychology Very
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well, I
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remember this expression very well
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In the Square She is cowardly, like a cop, which is
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natural,
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the power of her own impunity,
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which by definition
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is Therefore, I do not believe that Putin he will go for it,
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apparently, in general, he
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was simply completely completely
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disoriented and misinformed by
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his own
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associates, that is, on the one hand,
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the heroes of the Security Council who we probably
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reported on in what a
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pitiful helpless position the
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Ukrainian army was arriving, as well as people like
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Medvedchuk and so on who that means they
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sang songs to him about the fact that Zelensky is an
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extremely unpopular President and if you
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click there
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will be no need to meet the
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Russian troops of Ukraine
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with traces.
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Naturally, this turned out to be
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one hundred percent disinformation
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which, in general, he fell for and I think I think
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by the way, saying that very very
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strongly about this
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Let's move on to The next big
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topic is what happened around the figure of
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Elena Isinbayeva. More precisely, not what kind of
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figure he has in the sense that she is a figure
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that has caused a lot of controversy. On the other
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hand, do you think that such
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people should be welcomed, that they
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are leaving, they are not saying any words
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in support of the war, or are you with those who
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think that now I need to ask me
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for everything she did.
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Well, first of all, I want to say that
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Elena Isinbayev and I
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are on the same island. Have
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you seen
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No, I haven’t seen her, I live in the northern part of
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the island, this is a historical
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part covered with all sorts of vegetation
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Aisinbayeva's islands in photographs means
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those living complexes where she lives
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lives on the southern part of the island of Tenerife
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where it's boring without all these
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hotels complexes
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there is no vegetation and so on
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Well, this is 1 2 means
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I'm on the side I'm on the side of those who think that
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this is no small at all The topic here is
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for me about Elena Isimbaeva, with whom I
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personally am not familiar with sports. I
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have never been interested in the sport for me about Elena Isimbaeva. It’s
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deeply
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purple. I think that
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in general, this kind of story shouldn’t
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be given special attention.
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Because there are things in
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today’s world that are incredibly
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more important than which depends the fate of Russia
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the fate of Ukraine the fate of Europe the fate of the
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whole world and this happens on military
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fronts and some of it also happens in the
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Kremlin in the White House and so on this is
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yours this really interests me
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this news I read
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as for Elena Isinbayeva
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some of this kind more precedents, well,
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in my personal opinion They have
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almost no significance at all and,
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accordingly, uh, all the chatter around
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this happens exclusively on
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Russian social networks, here there is
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this A certain number of more
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or less garbage social networks So
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I personally follow only one namely, for the
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triter for the rest, I just don’t have
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the time or desire, there
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are enough
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funny ones, which means
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some female and male characters,
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and I’ll honestly say it’s absolutely
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indifferent to me. That is, if Elena
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Isinbaeva were a brave and decent
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person, here she would be
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would have somehow formulated her attitude to
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what is happening
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in the
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Russian war, Putin’s aggression, and so on.
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She didn’t do this. On the other hand, I
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understand that
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she also didn’t allow such belligerent statements, and all of
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her sins for which they are now
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angrily condemned concern them some
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events since the 1910s, when she was
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Putin’s confidant,
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she was in the very group of people
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who rewrote the Russian
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Constitution, this is
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already the twentieth year, well, or the 20th year,
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in any case, in any case, that is,
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if she if she what called
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repented, I think that the relationship
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would be better days since she has not repented, which
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means she continues to sit in despair between
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two chairs, then I think that she will turn out
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from one chair and from the other, that
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is, which on the one hand
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means liberals will be branded
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pacifists in every possible way and progressives
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on the other hand, how much I know
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she has already received her share of
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curses from some means
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Russian official figures,
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in principle, a story
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that should be suitable in Russia,
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all the more or less famous
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public people,
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all of them must
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sooner or later, one way or another,
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express
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their attitude to the
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fascist Putin regime,
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illegal aggression of the Russian Federation
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against the Republic of Ukraine and so on,
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I think that sooner or later knocking on the door of
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each of them, this applies to
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athletes, it concerns artists, it concerns
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some public intellectuals, and so
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on. So to sit out like this in
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a house where no one knows
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who you are and that
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means
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what do you eat with, in general, you won’t be able to, you won’t
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be able to I think no one Isinbayeva is just a
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typical example of this very thing. Or is it necessary
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or should we then go somewhere far away into the
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forests in the jungle and settle there
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somewhere on an island
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on an island on a beach in Goa because it’s an
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unfriendly country or [ __ ] but fights to
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leave. That’s where it might be that
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Putin’s confidant will carry it on the one hand
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and
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live on the Canary Islands, which
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are the territories of Spain,
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Spain, just like there is Andalu Zia extra
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Madura,
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I think
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it was just
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Artemkevich, but there are people who believe
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that for many people associated with the regime,
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leaving the war at the beginning and not supporting
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this regime is already a big step, as for
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example Anatoly Chubais, he is now up to
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Independent researchers from Glasgow and he
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really left at the very beginning, here
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for you Chubais is a hero
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No, I think that this is of course Absolutely
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it’s not enough, that is, the
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famous weather or
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that Russian
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activists give him life there
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Try We’ve already been here and
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I think I think I
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forgot I thought
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the task was a question Well then, just to
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summarize this topic, you said
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that he just decided to sit out but
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he didn’t have it turns out, in your opinion,
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I wanted to say about another person who
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also became a hero. Moreover, it is connected
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with Great Britain. Alex Tinkov This
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was the next question, just like that,
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by the way, my friend,
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I already congratulated him on
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getting rid of the
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sanctions lists, so Oleg acted
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normally With all his
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Russian publicity Despite the fact that
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I also don’t know myself there because of drunkenness or
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sweat, she allowed some stupid
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statements,
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but also
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some such logical ones addressed to Vladimir Putin,
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nevertheless, he did absolutely the
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right thing in a human way, honestly,
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decisively manly, he absolutely
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openly spoke out against the
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war against aggression against the Putin
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regime That’s in many ways Of course, and
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moreover, as you know, in order to
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finally tie up all
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these loose ends He
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gave away his entire financial Empire practically for free
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But now he is a free and
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happy man with than I sincerely congratulate him and his wife
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Artemkevich Forgive me for this question But
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this is about the singer Shaman and his new video And
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his new video is called My fight is
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German it translates as Minecraft the
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previous clips were in many ways in
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the style of such you know Germany in the late
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30s, tell me this is done consciously Is this
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some kind of political strategist working right here
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or is it their subconscious that leads them this way?
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Well, I would say that the
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singer Shaman I don’t know his songs I almost
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didn’t hear the
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poet Pasternak I condemn I
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listened to two or three songs of this
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very Shaman
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the singer is of course Absolutely average That is
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I can’t say that it’s bad There’s terrible
00:29:18
Like some Denis Maidanov
00:29:22
But the singer has no mediocre
00:29:26
songs, that means if you just
00:29:29
count the lyrics of his songs Well, I
00:29:33
read about two or three such texts,
00:29:35
in general there’s nothing like that,
00:29:39
that is there are some
00:29:42
Soviet-style songs, just
00:29:45
patriotic things about
00:29:50
the world, something is sung there that we will get up,
00:29:55
they will lie down
00:29:58
and fall asleep. That is, I did not see in the lyrics of
00:30:02
his songs any direct let’s say
00:30:05
Nazism, fascism, militarism, maybe,
00:30:09
but also to a large extent. That is to these
00:30:13
texts and to these songs And even more so to
00:30:18
this appearance, which in reality Well, that
00:30:22
is, at first he was
00:30:24
like such a white-haired raspberry, it’s funny,
00:30:30
first of all, to think about
00:30:33
what kind of fool he smokes, then again there are
00:30:38
all these gardens, a lot of them -the girls are
00:30:40
some kind of leather leggings and so on and again the
00:30:44
Shaman, that is, they drove him, he
00:30:47
is written everywhere in Latin letters. That
00:30:50
is, somehow this is all strange, somehow it
00:30:52
all doesn’t add up. That is, if he were
00:30:55
not a Shaman in Latin letters, but Yaroslav
00:30:59
or there is a superdrone Yes, his last name is
00:31:03
Dronov, in my opinion, and everything is natural in
00:31:05
Cyrillic And preferably some other
00:31:08
ancient Russian dirt and so on.
00:31:11
If only his songs would talk about the
00:31:16
machinations of uh vile enemies and the fact that
00:31:19
everyone needs to be erased from licenses here
00:31:22
one could say yes, this is
00:31:25
actually this face and these are the sounds and
00:31:29
melodies and rhythms, so to speak,
00:31:36
in general, somehow the tongue doesn’t turn
00:31:40
how to say because the content is
00:31:42
shamanistic and therefore does
00:31:45
not give a reason except for one thing
00:31:50
with the exception of the video sequence That is I have a
00:31:52
feeling that it’s just that the Shaman
00:31:55
recorded these songs and then
00:31:58
some comrade got them. I don’t know there,
00:32:03
and it means they already
00:32:08
started all sorts of these
00:32:12
national patriotic songs on this topic.
00:32:18
Well, after all, you said that in the Soviets they
00:32:22
were about peace but I remembered and well, how
00:32:24
the battle continues there and my heart is anxious in my
00:32:27
chest in a sense, the same message
00:32:29
continues or not Boyda
00:32:41
was not a commander and in October there was also a
00:32:44
revolution and not a war yet so
00:32:49
no, well, much more in Soviet times
00:32:53
the fact that there was a huge number of
00:32:56
propaganda songs, many were
00:32:59
absolutely outstanding and were written by great
00:33:03
composers
00:33:04
Shostakovich Dunaevsky or the composer
00:33:08
may not be Great, but they
00:33:14
were outstanding, in general, mostly about peace, everything
00:33:18
was always there will be sun and Do
00:33:21
Russian wars
00:33:24
and the land
00:33:26
of fire want to save everything so on and so on, and even
00:33:30
if the Victory Day holiday with tears in my
00:33:33
eyes, it’s all somehow
00:33:38
still I’ll repeat the question in your opinion, those
00:33:41
who make this video series, they do it
00:33:44
subconsciously, it’s just that,
00:33:46
like nothing else they do, it turns out to be a
00:33:48
Kalashnikov assault rifle yes Or or is this just
00:33:52
what- then the calculation I’m
00:33:55
almost one hundred percent sure that
00:33:58
this was done coincided with an indefinite
00:34:00
calculation, which in principle means this
00:34:04
kind of
00:34:05
propaganda weapon, it is very necessary, it
00:34:08
turned out that with the exception of the singer
00:34:12
Shaman, absolutely none of these Z
00:34:17
artists fired a shot, that is, everyone
00:34:21
on What
00:34:23
does Putin’s written mean Propaganda
00:34:26
here can
00:34:28
rely on this, all this junk, we take
00:34:32
all these old patents there Gazmanov
00:34:39
is given closer, some kind of drunks
00:34:43
like
00:34:44
Leps and so on All this doesn’t work,
00:34:48
but Alkash is like something bad, I
00:34:51
say drunk Because it doesn’t
00:34:54
correspond
00:34:55
And there should be just a blond one to lead
00:34:59
something so powerful, young and beautiful And
00:35:03
of course, of military age,
00:35:06
besides, and such a Shaman no one else
00:35:11
was looking for from these very
00:35:15
[music]
00:35:16
no one
00:35:18
That is, the light all came down like a wedge on the shaman,
00:35:22
but therefore, accordingly, there is one
00:35:25
Shaman, then you have to take him, to hell with him
00:35:30
there with these dreadlocks leggings
00:35:33
and Latin That's natural
00:35:39
and to the point And this is exactly what is done in
00:35:44
the production
00:35:45
of video clips, this is done absolutely
00:35:47
consciously and I think I think that all these
00:35:52
video clips are before they are released into the
00:35:56
wild on YouTube and so on, they go through the
00:36:01
strictest
00:36:04
censorship filter. Why do those who
00:36:09
do this play at fascist
00:36:12
aesthetics like this? What kind of profit do they get from this? As they say,
00:36:18
fascist aesthetics are just like Soviet
00:36:21
aesthetics; in its own way, it was very
00:36:24
convincing; that’s
00:36:25
what Soviet posters, Soviet
00:36:29
propaganda songs,
00:36:39
all
00:36:41
propaganda films at that time, even though the
00:36:45
Germans had it, it
00:36:48
means
00:36:50
Stalin’s national socialism, socialist
00:36:53
realism, but they were made,
00:36:59
as a rule, very talentedly, that is, I’m
00:37:02
not even talking about laziness.
00:37:04
But there were a lot of such
00:37:07
masters of
00:37:09
propaganda cultures in Soviet
00:37:13
Allied Germany
00:37:16
They were very masteroids and that’s why they
00:37:20
still go on the Internet all sorts of things, meaning
00:37:24
such things as
00:37:26
modern ones, some Russian
00:37:30
designers are simply copying
00:37:32
Nazi
00:37:36
posters of the forties, and on the
00:37:40
most harmless topics, that is, let’s say,
00:37:44
medical insurance means a poster
00:37:48
deprived of health insurance sits
00:37:51
like this, it means cute
00:37:53
Russian family, dad, mom and three
00:37:57
kids and next to a poster from 1938,
00:38:01
let’s say exactly the same, just the same
00:38:05
picture
00:38:07
means
00:38:09
Nazi Germany for the same
00:38:12
reason because the aesthetics of the aesthetics of
00:38:15
Nazi Germany and the
00:38:17
Stalinist USSR they are very close now, but
00:38:20
not the aesthetics, but the performers
00:38:24
were then much talented, much more
00:38:27
capable than the current ones, all these are there.
00:38:31
Therefore, in fact,
00:38:39
viewers and admirers of the singer Shaman will
00:38:43
somehow especially reflect on this topic,
00:38:46
so they
00:38:48
shyly copy all these Hitler-
00:38:52
Stalinist aesthetic tricks,
00:38:55
this is in general It has already become almost a
00:38:57
common place to say that this is
00:39:00
Turbo Patriotic or Z culture didn’t
00:39:03
give out anything. Well, maybe with the
00:39:05
exception of this Shaman, if not even on the
00:39:07
cultural level. Although just
00:39:08
popularity. Yes, he has a video there, I’m
00:39:11
Russian, there are more than 30 million
00:39:13
views, closer to 40.
00:39:15
And what was so mega-popular and new that the
00:39:20
anti-war wave gave out? something
00:39:23
was revealed by the
00:39:26
anti-war wave, at least
00:39:28
the number of songs and the number of the same
00:39:32
video clips that we have written and filmed by
00:39:38
anti-war artists, the number already
00:39:42
significantly exceeds all this
00:39:45
garbage, that is, there
00:39:49
are individual songs, video clips, whole
00:39:54
albums that are dedicated to this topic,
00:39:58
which are very good - it’s better
00:40:01
some worse new new recordings new
00:40:05
videos appear every week
00:40:09
literally
00:40:11
some rocker
00:40:15
songs
00:40:18
and I
00:40:25
probably can’t say that they are outstanding, but there are a lot of simply
00:40:30
good songs and, moreover, songs from sincere
00:40:34
songs that are convincing; there are more than enough of them; an
00:40:40
album with Dmitry has just been released Emelyanov
00:40:43
Zemfirovsky guitarist is called wolves
00:40:47
in the body, in general, the whole album, one way or
00:40:50
another, somewhere deeper somewhere, is
00:40:53
dedicated to
00:40:55
current military topics,
00:40:58
some new songs are constantly being released
00:41:00
that
00:41:02
brought coins together, and in general, that is, I
00:41:08
can’t say what
00:41:11
it means among them there are
00:41:18
some songs by John Lennon or,
00:41:26
nevertheless,
00:41:29
almost all of our really
00:41:32
reputable artists, not only
00:41:37
almost all of them have already made their mark in
00:41:42
this clearing. So, in my opinion, a
00:41:45
very good result, in any case,
00:41:48
certainly more
00:41:55
abundantly say so a lot of products than
00:41:59
I expected, I no longer compare with all
00:42:02
these
00:42:03
artisans from zenusion,
00:42:08
returning to what is now happening
00:42:12
inside Russia and the fact that universities and schools are
00:42:18
increasingly becoming places where people
00:42:20
come, maybe even you will call this an
00:42:24
ideology, so new objects
00:42:27
that should be explained what is
00:42:28
Russia in the modern world, that it is a special
00:42:32
country, that it has a special way of Russians,
00:42:34
there is some special gene and so on and so on,
00:42:36
our view is that
00:42:38
modern Russia is becoming in this
00:42:42
sense a totalitarian country, that is, a
00:42:43
country not just with an authoritarian
00:42:45
rule by ideology and the subordination of
00:42:48
people to this ideology
00:42:50
Maxim Now, if you asked me this question
00:42:53
two years ago, I just scratched
00:42:58
my turnip
00:43:00
to ask this question In July 2023,
00:43:07
in my opinion, it is unnecessary
00:43:10
Russia today's Russian
00:43:13
State is a totalitarian state, moreover,
00:43:15
it is a fascist state, period here, in
00:43:19
my opinion,
00:43:21
all the arguments have been given and
00:43:25
you agree, but this it doesn’t resemble either
00:43:28
communism or fascism with the help of
00:43:31
ideology. It’s more like a simulator, not
00:43:33
dialogues
00:43:35
about ideology,
00:43:37
natural etiology, it’s a vomitous
00:43:40
mixture
00:43:42
of
00:43:44
communism, Nazism, Orthodoxy,
00:43:48
and
00:43:51
thieves’ romance,
00:43:55
but that does
00:43:58
n’t mean that the country is
00:44:02
less tobilitarian. No, it’s absolutely
00:44:05
totalitarian
00:44:08
now.
00:44:10
at least there is an
00:44:13
ideological clampdown on all fronts. That
00:44:17
is, this applies not only to, say,
00:44:19
some geopolitical
00:44:26
everyday issues, just topics like homophobia,
00:44:32
maybe it’s the case of some
00:44:35
predatory ideologue, homophobia doesn’t matter, they’re interested in
00:44:41
more serious things, they’re interested in nations, they’re interested in
00:44:44
God, they’re interested in faith and so on, and then
00:44:48
suddenly there are some
00:44:50
homosexuals or there are all these clamps,
00:44:54
like
00:44:55
I watched a speech by the Minister
00:44:58
of Health recently
00:45:01
where he says that a woman’s place in a
00:45:04
maternity hospital is in the kitchen. That’s enough. In general, it’s enough
00:45:08
to deal with all these women’s affairs and
00:45:12
careers and so on, it means gone to the
00:45:15
girl in the bedroom and without getting out of there, the
00:45:20
deputy
00:45:23
literally said yesterday that all women
00:45:27
over 24 years old should be subjected to
00:45:30
artificial labor,
00:45:31
so that soldiers give birth,
00:45:35
this is all, of course, one
00:45:40
hundred percent signs of epiletarism and
00:45:44
fascism,
00:45:46
so someone interfered with our broadcast, then they
00:45:52
came to us we've arrived,
00:45:55
I have
00:45:59
a second, okay. Yes, for now, turn off the sound and
00:46:02
I'll remind you that this is a broadcast by Artemy Troitsky.
00:46:04
This is a good moment to like
00:46:06
this video, in the end, it doesn’t matter where
00:46:08
you watch us live or recorded.
00:46:11
I hope that we will continue the conversation with those
00:46:14
Troitskys literally within
00:46:17
Well, for a few seconds already, but in
00:46:20
extreme cases, a minute, I say hello to
00:46:22
everyone who listens to us the Echo
00:46:25
online application. If you haven’t downloaded it yet, be
00:46:27
sure to download it. Don’t forget that the
00:46:29
Echo website always has
00:46:33
all the transcripts of the broadcasts, and plus, of
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course, I have to advertise
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and I see Artemy Troitsky has returned to us
00:46:52
I have already practiced a little in
00:46:55
Spanish
00:46:58
Hello Yes, well, I suggest then we have
00:47:03
less than 9 minutes left already before the end of
00:47:06
the program I propose to dwell here in a little more
00:47:09
detail about the place of
00:47:11
women regarding
00:47:14
LGBT and essentially the ban on the
00:47:17
existence of trans people
00:47:19
from your experience,
00:47:22
including the Soviet experience, is this
00:47:25
really what irritates people? Is
00:47:27
it really so touching that the authorities are on
00:47:31
this For some reason, the topic is decided to come in and
00:47:35
do something by a
00:47:57
pancreatic duet called the trio Dream,
00:48:00
here the owner was a duet, in fact, I am the
00:48:03
music. We there basically performed
00:48:08
all sorts of
00:48:09
Soviet songs that were put into the
00:48:13
mouths of foreigners there like we would we would
00:48:17
we would we should be
00:48:20
and there were several songs
00:48:22
of my own, that is, the composition, in
00:48:25
particular, there was a song with a chorus, we are
00:48:27
homosexuals, homebodies. That is, I
00:48:30
liked the simply
00:48:32
fantastic phrase, we are homosexuals,
00:48:34
homebodies. So, in general, this did
00:48:37
not offend anyone, no one
00:48:40
was interested, well, it’s just funny
00:48:43
and in general, there was such an absolutely
00:48:46
easy, calm attitude towards
00:48:50
this topic; I came up with the idea that there was a criminal
00:48:52
article. And selfishness, here are some
00:48:55
famous people. Well, I know one
00:48:58
film director, Sergei Parajanov, who was
00:49:00
even imprisoned under this article. But in everyday life, in
00:49:04
some everyday life they didn’t talk about it,
00:49:07
they didn’t write about it, it wasn’t
00:49:10
raised or lowered anywhere, and in general,
00:49:13
people were completely indifferent to it; they
00:49:16
treated it calmly in a kind way,
00:49:19
who cares who has whom and where,
00:49:25
and the fact that now this topic is
00:49:30
not so much arose just went to
00:49:33
heaven Well, in general, in my opinion,
00:49:36
this is a clear story of the current government,
00:49:39
of course, they need enemies not only
00:49:42
external, with external enemies in this
00:49:45
government everything is in order, that is, it is the
00:49:48
Americans, of course, first of all, the
00:49:53
Ukrainians and also
00:49:55
almost the whole world Thank you our dears But
00:49:58
these are external enemies, this is not so interesting We
00:50:01
also need internal enemies usually
00:50:04
internal enemies became all sorts of
00:50:07
us in the minority in the first place
00:50:08
Of course, a Jew means
00:50:12
in Russia, for reasons that are not completely clear to me,
00:50:18
there is still no state anti-Semitism, they say that
00:50:22
Putin is either a Jew himself or Jewish,
00:50:26
some kind of well-mannered In general, it seems that
00:50:30
Putin treats Jews well
00:50:33
and therefore does not allow manifestations of
00:50:36
the state,
00:50:38
thank God, but there must be someone
00:50:41
instead of Jews,
00:50:43
so the Jews took the place and chose
00:50:47
sex,
00:50:58
you know less today, even the text
00:51:00
was published on our website Echo and I see
00:51:02
a lot of jokes on this topic What
00:51:05
actually is My fight the Shaman's song is an LGBT anthem
00:51:09
because fight is to
00:51:14
say Yes no at all a shaman
00:51:24
returning again to how the
00:51:30
Russian authorities manifest themselves here
00:51:32
You've probably met in various
00:51:35
European and American circles how
00:51:37
Since there is sympathy for such homophobia and
00:51:41
transphobia, many
00:51:44
voters, Trump fans, say so,
00:51:47
everything is correct. To be
00:51:49
honest, I have not encountered this, that
00:51:52
is, of course it exists, of course. It
00:51:55
exists, and first of all, probably
00:51:58
in some poorly educated
00:52:01
proletarian circles that are
00:52:05
conservative-
00:52:07
minded. it
00:52:09
’s just that there are a huge number of people in the world
00:52:12
who are generally afraid of all changes,
00:52:15
afraid of everything new, and so on, I’ll say
00:52:18
honestly that I’m talking about all these
00:52:22
broadcast intergender operations and so
00:52:25
on, I actually heard about this for the first time
00:52:27
several years ago, I was
00:52:29
absolutely
00:52:30
not aware of everything
00:52:35
I learned about this topic, I listened, I
00:52:38
shrugged, Well, that means there are such
00:52:41
people, that is, it didn’t puzzle me at all,
00:52:46
let alone
00:52:48
outrage me. And there are people who perceive everything
00:52:53
new and unusual in a different way,
00:53:00
and they exist, I think in approximately the same
00:53:04
numbers, both in America and what in Russia
00:53:07
that where the
00:53:10
last question will be
00:53:15
I have not personally encountered such people,
00:53:18
that is, in all hands where I communicate somehow
00:53:22
this topic relates more than calmly
00:53:29
does not touch or offend the
00:53:31
last question He is talking about this
00:53:35
global split of the future and the
00:53:38
past into your view
00:53:40
Vladimir Putin
00:53:43
in general for Asian countries for Africa for
00:53:47
some people like that Yes European people
00:53:51
Well in general Western countries is a
00:53:53
symbol of the struggle between the past and the future
00:53:56
which they will cling to
00:53:58
his image remains attractive to them
00:54:02
No I think that for most people
00:54:05
Moreover, for the Elites of these countries, Putin is in no
00:54:08
way a
00:54:12
role model, a symbol of a hero, and so
00:54:16
on, firstly,
00:54:18
he is a white man, this is already bad, and
00:54:22
secondly, he is really ugly, he
00:54:25
looks very bad, he is absolutely not
00:54:27
charismatic and not charming. This is also
00:54:30
something there is, well, look at Che Guevara and
00:54:34
look at the path,
00:54:36
everything will become clear, or Look at
00:54:41
Ho Chi Minh City, such an Eastern
00:54:43
sophisticated old man, and look,
00:54:48
and not in favor of Putin. Of course, this is
00:54:54
also not the most attractive, but
00:54:56
nevertheless, for many leftists, there are still few icons
00:55:00
but few again, unlike
00:55:04
Putin, He did not compromise himself in
00:55:08
such a shameful way.
00:55:12
And besides, in fact, he
00:55:15
was not much of an idiot and he wrote books and he wrote
00:55:18
poetry and, in general,
00:55:21
was a very smart person. That is,
00:55:24
he had such trump cards which, again,
00:55:26
Putin has absolutely nothing, so I think
00:55:33
that Putin is only good for
00:55:36
horror stories. Even for the countries of the so-
00:55:40
called global south,
00:55:43
Artemy Troitsky was on the air of a living
00:55:45
nail And we are now saying goodbye to Echo,
00:55:49
I understand that on Echo Now you
00:55:51
can listen to Sergey Parkhomenko then
00:55:54
and the program that airs on the live
00:55:57
Kostya
00:56:00
which is called the Irina
00:56:02
Vorobyova program and
00:56:05
Feeder what is it called Tell me
00:56:08
Vasily Normal life of course thank you
00:56:11
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