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that's all all all days on May 9 we00:00:07
always heard two phrases one of them00:00:10
was never again and the other we can00:00:12
repeat tell me maybe you can00:00:14
explain somehow from a historical point00:00:16
of view from a human one how it happened00:00:19
how two such the opposite phrases00:00:22
have been said for years by the descendants of the dead maniacs, but they were00:00:27
not said at the same time; when I00:00:29
was little, or even not very00:00:31
little anymore, it never occurred to anyone to00:00:34
say, we can repeat,00:00:37
they said, despite all the aggressiveness of the00:00:40
Soviet regime, of course, and all that stuff, but00:00:43
the main thing was that never again this00:00:45
should not be repeated was the main loss,00:00:48
but we can repeat this, it has appeared in the00:00:50
last, say, 10-15 years when, on the00:00:53
one hand, such a00:00:56
terrible militarization of our country is happening, and00:01:00
this militarization, unfortunately, it seems to have00:01:04
appropriated victory day for itself and is visible00:01:08
every day like every year, like this00:01:13
holiday, which before Prague with the colors of the eyes is00:01:16
not a holiday at all, this is grief, this day00:01:18
of remembrance of the dead,00:01:20
how it turns more and more, this saber00:01:22
rattling, this00:01:25
becomes so false, empty,00:01:29
children walk meaningless phrases about grandfathers00:01:31
fought when there are veterans there, there are veterans00:01:35
who are Ginny where to which some00:01:39
mocking gifts like a bottle of00:01:41
vodka and00:01:44
at the same time this is00:01:46
the aggressiveness we flew so these are 200:01:49
different levels00:01:51
there is such a thing as historical00:01:53
memory this is what is happening now you00:01:57
said how it has changed it has privatized00:02:00
the war how do you relate to me00:02:02
to veterans and to the war,00:02:03
it disappeared, how could it be erased?00:02:08
historical memory is not erased after it00:02:11
changes, and this is also something that, of course, the00:02:18
regime has been completely thought out and consistently doing for the last 10 1500:02:22
and actually all 20 years, this is a change00:02:26
in historical memory, this is the creation of00:02:28
fakes, this concerns not only war00:02:30
is the rehabilitation00:02:32
of the special services, when there are TV series00:02:36
about the war in which there are such good SMERSH00:02:39
sheep, and then there is someone there, this is the rehabilitation of00:02:44
Stalin on the sly, when these00:02:47
wild monuments appear, it seems like00:02:50
this initiative does not happen on the ground either,00:02:52
and the00:02:54
sower is also connected, so completely00:02:58
distorted the idea of war,00:03:01
for example, well, by the way, this of course00:03:03
happened before now, it’s just intensifying00:03:05
that you fought, you just get the feeling that00:03:08
you fought and only our country had victims,00:03:11
only our country, and the rest there, it’s00:03:13
unclear, some stupid english Olya,00:03:16
of course the second world war, they were00:03:19
united within themselves allies, both the Americans00:03:22
and the British made huge sacrifices and00:03:26
by the way, the help from America to the Soviet Union00:03:29
from America was enormous, this is all00:03:31
deliberately forgotten, we are the only one and00:03:33
they have always been ours this is this00:03:36
concept,00:03:37
this is not just some kind of historical00:03:39
inaccuracy, it works00:03:42
today to hostility Fatima00:03:44
this is how it is deliberately distorted00:03:48
propaganda historical memory is created00:03:51
fake this is terrible00:03:54
can you remember00:03:56
what in your opinion was some of the00:03:59
first such bells dream we are heading towards this00:04:01
that it begins such a big00:04:03
campaign to distort historical00:04:06
memory distortions of history00:04:08
but there is this version, or I know how00:04:11
correct it is, that the first bell was00:04:14
the appearance of a program of old songs, and00:04:17
most importantly, I can’t even understand00:04:21
at what time it was king tails grandfather in the00:04:23
late 90s, a very cute program before they sang00:04:27
songs from Soviet films, it’s all00:04:31
very nice00:04:32
this [ __ ] but it was like that and it was probably a00:04:35
symptom of a chick, that is, this is the beginning of00:04:37
the show, it00:04:39
was so bad in the Soviet Union,00:04:43
and then it just went and went and went00:04:47
and00:04:50
you will find out how you were neighbors for quite a long time00:04:52
because there was, like,00:04:56
one hole type they said one thing, well next to it,00:04:59
say another, this is normal in a day00:05:01
of critical society, but gradually,00:05:04
maybe,00:05:06
but I’m even sure that this00:05:10
was not the first machine, but for me, a very00:05:12
important thing was when they started destroying the00:05:16
museum, first row 6, these are00:05:20
some of the few places our country where00:05:23
they tried to preserve the00:05:25
memory of Stalin’s victims and00:05:32
now, instead, there is a museum in memory of a00:05:35
museum dedicated to Tinov,00:05:38
this is a very00:05:41
symptomatic thing, and then everything went00:05:45
on and then along the lines I also wanted to00:05:49
turn to the symbol that is now00:05:51
used by the00:05:52
Russian army by officials.00:05:55
propaganda is the letter z and00:05:58
often at first00:06:00
only the letter z appeared as its basis, then they began to00:06:03
put the St. George’s ribbon on its basis, but not00:06:06
everyone knows what the00:06:08
St. George’s ribbon originally meant, what kind of sign it is,00:06:11
who was it given to, because in recent00:06:13
years we have seen how they are there in transition00:06:15
they sell for 10 rubles, can you00:06:17
tell our viewers in more detail about this and00:06:19
so that we can understand how much this distortion00:06:21
is happening now, you know, this is how00:06:26
these ribbons just appeared and for00:06:28
some they are quite00:06:30
decent, so friends did00:06:33
n’t see anything like that in this, but the card is00:06:37
your speech to those00:06:39
who fought there and then there the similarity did not00:06:42
always seem, well, besides the fact that they00:06:45
very quickly also accepted some kind of00:06:47
aggressive meaning connected with the DPR and LPR,00:06:50
but for starters, this is blasphemy over the00:06:54
Order of St. George on the St. George00:06:58
Cross, a box of offerings to the St. George00:07:00
Cross, receiving the St. George Cross00:07:03
was a great merit,00:07:07
it’s like being proud of coal by the fact that he received00:07:12
this to give00:07:14
for outstanding heroism to the soldier's00:07:19
pride and quest of the officer, during00:07:24
the term you are free, Nicholas II00:07:26
was awarded the Cross of St. George, as when00:07:29
he became my superiors and this shocked many00:07:33
as they explained that he00:07:35
inspires soldiers to feat as he is not00:07:39
him he doesn’t fight for himself, why to him00:07:42
it already seemed to be a conformation, and now when00:07:45
any professional employee puts on a00:07:48
St. George’s cross, you know, I00:07:51
was once in a cafe next to the zoo00:07:54
and there were two young mothers with00:07:57
children and one of these00:08:00
little boys had a St. George’s ribbon00:08:05
the button of the needs was tied, it was much more stressful00:08:08
with a fly, and it was clear that he00:08:10
wanted to write and he was also touching himself all the time there, the00:08:13
actor and this ribbon were rubbed, which means about00:08:16
my personal belongings I’m adding here a little00:08:18
boy, but this happens everywhere00:08:22
and the St. George Cross is00:08:25
the greatest in the order indeed, it has00:08:28
become commonplace that there are not00:08:30
ribbons that were lying around that are00:08:32
tied to cars00:08:34
that are in one in one clip under00:08:40
these clowns that dress in military00:08:42
uniforms the00:08:43
singers of which you have long hair and00:08:46
a cap on top and this is a mess,00:08:49
this is blasphemy towards those who00:08:51
I really completely agree with you00:08:54
and I also wanted to know about this00:08:57
letter z, but in general about symbolism,00:09:00
how important it is, you00:09:02
talked about the00:09:04
connection with fascism, what are the common features here,00:09:09
symbolism here plays some00:09:12
important role in the creation of such an ideology,00:09:15
aggressive and militant in00:09:18
general, it is of course surprising how it00:09:21
all appeared, that is, initially00:09:23
it was just a sign of a Western group of forces, that’s00:09:27
all, the speed of propaganda00:09:30
promoted it, it’s amazing and this is00:09:33
also something very bad, it says how00:09:36
this scene was bought, it’s really like a00:09:38
half you already have this one thing,00:09:42
even I understand that someone has a status with00:09:46
this zora, but for the Russian language00:09:48
it’s such a sound before the selection of a machine like00:09:51
something else and this whole aggressiveness00:09:54
that is hobbling around in this insect is00:09:58
scary to go, this is what they also choose here00:10:02
such, but not some kind of dove of peace,00:10:07
I don’t know, I don’t know the color they supposedly bring to00:10:11
Ukraine to depict and pigeons don’t need00:10:15
this, and of course the fact that now children00:10:18
are lined up with this sign, this is I’m00:10:21
sure that this is this, I’m sure that this is not00:10:23
some kind of initiative individual kindergartens and00:10:26
this was00:10:28
the order and these people who00:10:31
treat our children like this are their00:10:34
buoys, I understand that these are probably not the worst00:10:36
war criminals, but I am00:10:39
sure that among those in the Russia of the future00:10:41
they must go to trial, there00:10:44
is often talk now about00:10:48
collective and in the summer of the dispute, collective00:10:50
or individual responsibility for00:10:52
what is happening now in Russia00:10:54
for what will start the war and we as a00:10:57
people have not done anything about it, your00:11:00
opinion, how is there any collective responsibility in this, can there00:11:02
not be any, you00:11:05
know I have a complicated relationship with this00:11:09
concept because, well, in general, any00:11:12
kind of collective community00:11:16
seems quite far-fetched to me and I’ll say I00:11:18
wrote a lot and thought about collective00:11:20
pride under I don’t understand why we00:11:23
should be proud of the successes of a sports00:11:25
team or even why we should be00:11:28
proud of Pushkin’s work, I can00:11:31
enjoy Pushkin’s work I I might00:11:33
want to share it there with my00:11:35
foreign friends, you know, what does it00:11:37
have to do with me, that I wrote people and00:11:40
poems or something,00:11:43
there’s a record bed and from here, I don’t00:11:49
really understand how the whole community as a whole can be to blame,00:11:52
although I’m very00:11:56
interested about this there Nikolai uplay00:11:57
will describe of course, but it seems to me that I00:12:01
myself am nothing00:12:03
but just00:12:06
responsibility, as it seems to me, should00:12:08
be personal; another thing is that every00:12:11
citizen of Russia, probably,00:12:15
to some extent, should experience00:12:18
it, should live, once upon a time in another00:12:23
world, they are guessing, I gave lectures about00:12:25
civilians about revelations I started00:12:28
Socrates who said that when00:12:32
he was offered to escape in prison, he said00:12:34
that he would not keep him because well,00:12:36
he was part of this world, so I00:12:39
said how many years I lived in Athens00:12:41
apple to go there,00:12:43
taking all my property, my family but I00:12:46
didn’t leave and I obeyed the laws,00:12:49
which means in this now I will be it’s like00:12:51
my responsibility and the fact that we00:12:55
live or lived there in this country is how00:12:58
we wouldn’t behave obeyed we protested00:13:01
we’re part of I would simply formulate00:13:07
that not everyone was with As a cop, each of us00:13:11
must think about what exactly the00:13:14
responsibility of each of us is, and this00:13:17
seems to me very important00:13:19
about sports teams, I’ve been00:13:22
thinking about this for a long time, why,00:13:24
by right of birth, I need to root for a00:13:26
football team that is in my city00:13:28
and I could never imagine it explain yes,00:13:31
although it is clear how all these00:13:33
sports things work in order to00:13:35
form patriotism and so00:13:37
on among them among women up to the feet of00:13:40
Dysport please take it very well00:13:43
but only the causality of the national city00:13:45
and00:13:46
at least finally ask you00:13:49
such a burning question,00:13:52
we have already talked about it generation said00:13:55
never again00:13:57
and seemed to do everything for this and00:13:59
remembered and00:14:00
told stories, communicated with00:14:02
veterans, but everything repeats itself,00:14:05
how to do so that this does not00:14:08
happen again,00:14:09
this is an00:14:11
incredibly complex question and an incredibly00:14:13
complex thing, now I’m reading a00:14:16
book about that and00:14:18
they say the price of English street villa00:14:21
Zingermans how the Germans were civilized again00:14:25
means after the second problem00:14:27
when practically German civilization collapsed by them00:14:30
also what is happening send00:14:32
and I understand that this was despite the fact that00:14:36
Germany was conquered and the Allied00:14:39
powers00:14:41
facilitated this process of the righteous and there is00:14:44
already a terribly long and painful thing and00:14:48
when at first they just ordered everyone and I00:14:52
had to agree with them, but in order for00:14:56
something to appear in their heads, apparently it00:14:59
took 20 years and it was very00:15:02
scary to bear and it00:15:04
is absolutely clear that we will be going00:15:07
through something like this for a very long time00:15:09
very painful, again, only through00:15:12
the awareness by each of us of what00:15:16
happened and what the00:15:19
Russian troops are doing in Ukraine now;00:15:21
only this is generally what the authorities are doing,00:15:24
that we allow this, this is all so00:15:26
that it is consciously rethought, this is00:15:29
horror and very hard work,00:15:33
I agree with you to the actions of those who now do00:15:36
not realize what is happening and believe the00:15:39
propaganda and refuse to believe that in00:15:42
Ukraine the war that Russia started, they00:15:44
will also go this way consciously, thank00:15:47
you very much for taking the time to come00:15:49
on the air with us, a very interesting conversation, we00:15:52
hope to see you again in our ofir gal00:15:55
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