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Новый закон об иностранных агентах

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Good evening everyone, you are watching and listening to

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Youtube channel live microphone nails I am

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Lisa Nikina this is the program Special opinion

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with my special opinion visiting us

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today politics psychologist Leonid Gosman

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Good evening

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today the law on

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foreign agents came into force, a new law that

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really limits rights, in

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contrast to the previous one, which simply

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obliged to record on social networks

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in any public space the fact that

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the Ministry of Justice issued the status of a foreign agent.

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At what point do you think we crossed

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this line when some category of

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citizens actually actually and at the

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official level is implicated in their rights?

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Well, we have been for a long time crossed But somehow it’s even

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pleasant for me to understand that we are still only

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less than 200 people full of foreign

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agents and for our sake the 50 State

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Duma and an uncountable number of all kinds of

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officials pass a special law, a

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special law can be said about

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me too. So, in fact, that’s when the

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first

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restrictions on rights were a long time ago,

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it means not only that you have to write the

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flash drive itself, so that you can still have it with you You

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have to submit reports a-and once a

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quarter a financial report is 39

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pages yes And once every six months something a day

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that is, that’s another there are a certain number of

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pages and so on You don’t have the right

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to work with children You don’t have the right to

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engage in publishing activities You

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don’t have the right to do anything else Anything else

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and basically forgot what Well that

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was quite a lot of loss of rights

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quite serious Yes, you don’t have the

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right to be honest with the election

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commission

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and it’s not about specific restrictions on rights,

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for example, some universities. Well, I gave

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lectures at three universities in the country,

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one of them immediately told me Sorry,

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but you and I will not renew

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the contract. I don’t work with children

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who are less than 18 years old, I think you

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only have a master's program,

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which means they are already adults.

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Well, the position of our leadership is like

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this, that is, in fact, more

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than

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more than what has been announced; the

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main thing here is the idea that the right of the state

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is the enemy.

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And you are not our enemy you like it, you understand

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the star and let’s move forward, now you will

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live, you will know

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about extrajudicial executions, this is a dream of

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sleepless reprisals that are currently being

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embodied in such a slightly funny

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version. But in fact, no, it

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also appears to me that it is important to say the concept of being

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affiliated under foreign

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influence. That is, it is not even necessary

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somehow directly come into contact

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receive money now it’s even enough

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to say something affiliated with a

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foreign agent How it’s

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unclear and that’s all You already belong to a

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certain category of

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people concepts according to the way of thinking of

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any person Let it be 25 times

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means well, a Jew in image and uh rude

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communication, this is actually enough.

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Please note that if at first the

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foreign Agent was the one who was

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necessary for the conditions for obtaining a high

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rank, it was receiving some kind of

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financial abroad for me, they

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could not recognize me for six months, she was a strange agency, they

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could not find anything, and then they finally

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found the fee there for one article was 32

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dollars I received Oh great, they

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were looking for six months I saw their requests, that is, it is necessary

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How is the situation not that you

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did something The Ministry of Justice looks at It speaks

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strangely about us Agent no, not so The Ministry of Justice

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decides that we should declare him a foreign agent It’s

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late there Kupchino doesn’t matter who Yes, yes,

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we’ll probably dig up something for

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a year now, that is, in my file in my file,

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when we filed a complaint about this case, then we should

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show in my file there are their

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requests to different departments, but don’t they have

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me from foreign funding, that is,

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you understand, that is, they just wanted to

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announce me in business But now they have gone

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further And now there is no need to have

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foreign funding They generally

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rather quickly influenced the influence of some

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foreigners when they forgot about the

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projections I had right away publicly repented

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that I am under the influence of the British

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on Shakespeare of sin or the meaning of the Jews of

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Christ There and so on I collapse

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in front of the party right away yes I am

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at 15 years old Well they are lucky no we want

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Shakespeare Jesus

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incomprehensible Yes some people have

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nothing to do with to our authorities, but

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nevertheless, what do you think is the goal? That’s

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exactly the far-reaching goal of this law,

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like all intimidation,

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the restoration of power itself,

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any restrictions Look, they

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took the next step, they will

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arrest foreigners, for example, yes, but

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declare everyone. Therefore, it will be like this, let’s

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see it means that Vasya Vasya

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didn’t make a face or is saying something wrong or

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something else, or maybe there’s a road there No,

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I ran across what you’re saying, I’ll now

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give an order to Vasya first,

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here you go,

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anyone

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with whom we want everything and we’ll do it Ivan

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Groz also wrote to

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my servants, it’s

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clear that everything is clear. It

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seems to me that at the moment in the

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ranks of foreign agents there are those people

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who, in general,

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But you can’t intimidate them, they were ready,

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including you, you were ready for the fact that

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this recognition would be tougher

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Well, of course, well then, who should

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be intimidated

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by the population,

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what do you think? It will be so

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massive that literally some

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passerby on the street will say he listened to

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Leonid Gozman, that means he is a foreign

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Agent, let’s arrest mine, you

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think

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Absolutely

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not,

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such a wonderful person,

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outstanding Andrei Makarevich,

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he is under the influence of a

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high probability against the war there and

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so on

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Yes Vasya looks at it does it if he and

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Makarevich did it you did it to me They

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generally want to crush the employees you

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understand a very important point a very

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important point it’s just necessary to hit the

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perverted interests you need to hit the known ones people,

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what are they doing and they don’t care what

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Makarevich is about, being in exile for a long time,

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what will you think about them, uh, they were

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scared,

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it’s important for him that his fans know that

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even Makarevich

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and that all conversations go

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somewhere in the kitchen

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Well, of course

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I understand why such intimidation of the broad

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masses It seems to me that most people are, in

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principle, so passive. I

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mean in Russia that they are at least intimidated, do

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n’t be intimidated, they still wo

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n’t speak out against the authorities in any way,

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most people are passive, everywhere in

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Russia

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human properties All changes, all

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serious events occur under the

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influence of an active minority But this has

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always been the case, and the authorities knew for sure

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that this active substance is concentrated

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in big cities and, in general, it is

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dangerous. Did you know that all the

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wonderful figures for United Russia in the

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last elections they received in

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Moscow and St. Petersburg thirteen

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percent of the

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votes from the list of

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Voters 13 all this talk

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about Who, how they won beautifully, this is

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all a lie, this is at the expense of the electoral

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saltanates at the expense of Chechnya Dagestan

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Kemerovo There and so on, yes But in the cities they

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don’t vote for them And everything is lost in the

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cities Yes there have been

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no elections for a long time,

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well, in general, everything

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happens in the cities in the capital and not in the

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countryside and not in small towns.

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Namely in the Megapolis, so this is important to them

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and they understand that in fact their base

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in the cities is very narrow, very weak,

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so they need to intimidate Yes, they are in this

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sense,

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and then another question is whether people are monitoring

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foreign agents at all. Then

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what does this mean, what are the consequences? I

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mean not the most active. This is

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a minority, but in large

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numbers, of

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course, of course,

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investigations into Russia’s actions in Ukraine

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yesterday

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will also deal with Russia’s actions

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from the Russian budget and the oligarchs,

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you understand at the moment you need to

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start listening to the investigation There and so on

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at the moment it is impossible while

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Vladimir Vladimirovich is in the Kremlin at the

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moment it is impossible to execute the court decision at

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all not a very full-fledged court If you

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can’t stop blaming him

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Yes to me it seems that Vladimir Vladimirovich

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Putin should be one of the main

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accused by him, the main thing in this process is that after

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all, according to him,

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everything is being done perfectly, he is responsible for everything when he

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bombs cities that it is not a war

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crime, a war crime I don’t

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see it clearly Yes, that’s why a

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preliminary thing needs to start

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and it is useful and because in general, you

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know, the plant should be punished

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What is not an

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illogical

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human statement I really think that

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the word should always be yes

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Good should win

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Well, as far as we can we need to ensure

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this in this direction now this is very important

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because they have now announced

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that they are starting to talk about it, it’s important

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because it scares our elite very

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much. The

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day before yesterday, the outstanding Russian

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propaganda Simonyan Skabeev, I don’t

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know, whether or not they

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talked about the Agate tribunal and that’s how

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terrible it will be there on the benches said I

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’ll sweep up all the janitors there

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And just someone told her that don’t

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worry about the janitor, the janitor

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will be fine, worry about

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the janitor, they won’t touch you, of course you weren’t there,

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so this is a good thing. But in general, it

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seems to me that the

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trial of war criminals

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Russian

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should be one of the

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chords of the end of the War when

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the end when I don’t know it’s clear that

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there are necessary conditions This is the victory of

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Ukraine in Crimea

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should return Crimea when they liberate

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their Crimea,

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theirs and not theirs,

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it’s not

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like Crimea there Sevastopol defense of

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Sevastopol Lala poplars there Scarlet Sails

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This is the most Alexander Green and so on

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The land belongs to him Why is there an

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agreement written? There is an agreement

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signed and so on, so

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Ekaterina, that Prince Vladimir was baptized there,

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that there was something else there, it was all

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for the benefit of the poor. There is an agreement, why

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is it France, they are Germany,

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these are absolutely German towns, absolutely

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German towns

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and just because it is written

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in particular It’s France that has closed

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and the same should happen with Crimea and with

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all the necessary conditions for the liberation of

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Crimea because it will be a terrible blow

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to Putin’s system, what will happen

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next I don’t know what’s next, it’s very scenario-based,

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you know, it’s a very scenario what’s next it

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could be the collapse of the Russian

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state, a war of everyone against everyone, a

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terrible civil war, where they will

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fight not for a red or white idea,

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of course, but there will be biceps, territorial

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wars, there are some prerequisites I

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would look for, just I would doubt that there are

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prerequisites for something else 6

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prerequisites to avoid this And this seems to me

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very Very likely,

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look, let’s say the front collapses and the soldiers

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run away. Well, this will happen. A

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panicked retreat along the entire front

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is possible, it’s possible, it’s possible, of course

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it’s possible, the motivation of our soldiers is zero.

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Well, some of them have been fooled. They

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hate Ukrainians, but you understand

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this is hatred not an insufficient basis, a

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sufficient basis for a truly

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fighting spirit, this is the defense of the defense of the Motherland -

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these are the Ukrainians, the Ukrainians are defending their

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homeland, they know exactly what ours are

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doing there, who they are liberating there, who they are

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protecting, they themselves understand that is why in

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this situation in this situation it is quite

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possible that the front will collapse if they are very

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likely to just collapse of the state

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when they stop carrying out any

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orders, this is a

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system of structure, it could completely

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collapse if it disintegrates, it will disintegrate,

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there will be a war of everyone against everyone. I just do

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n’t really understand why the region should

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disconnect from the federal center. It

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seems to me that this is at least from an economic

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point of view it will be unprofitable, look,

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imagine the governor of some

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distant

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region of

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Yekaterinburg. And I also left it for myself. And I am a

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general who commands the troops

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located in this territory, and now

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you depend on me and say

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listen,

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but why the hell Moscow, look, they all

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lost, they all lost, the

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army is defeated Everything in Moscow is some kind of

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showdown, they are now shooting everyone else

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and so on

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They take all our money constantly

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and now

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we are not dependent on reparations and we don’t need anything from

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you

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as a general in the region

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we need the

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Sverdlovsk region if it is alone I’ll

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get it really you think that the Sverdlovsk

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region is fed by Putin I think that there is

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some kind of network, some kind of common structure

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that the regions somehow supply

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each other with the need to exchange. And

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who will prevent who will prevent the independent from

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establishing these

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relations with all the adjacent

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territories

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where all the connections are with them? Yes, well and you

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have to pay reparations as if you were going to Moscow And

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what the hell is this, please tell me here

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Or let’s say Yakutia, which itself has

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diamonds E you can’t count the diamonds E fiery

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yes uh underground uh that means either the

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Tyumen region or uh these same

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Tatarstans these Republics

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named after -What for? Yes, you understand, it’s one thing

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when the Russian state is strong,

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some kind of strong state, so yes yes. But

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when this state is weak, when it

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collapsed, then save yourself, who can? I mean, the

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absolutely real option is

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absolutely

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scary. But there is a softer option,

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this is the Palace coup, which is more a soft

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option then it will be a series of dictatorships of the

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North juntas

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in succession which may

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not be so bloody and so

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terrible, perhaps a transition period

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after which will arise and so on, well,

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look at the courts, the courts after all, I do

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n’t know when the war will end, I understand, I

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hope that soon I want to return to

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Moscow In general, somehow he

00:19:40

feels like crap knowledge I don’t like it, that

00:19:42

is, well, in terms of everyday life, everything is fine, but

00:19:45

I want to live at home somewhere, but look,

00:19:52

let’s say this, it ends how it

00:19:54

should end,

00:20:01

firstly, I can ask you

00:20:05

Well We agreed well, I wanted to go,

00:20:09

so

00:20:14

look, it

00:20:16

means

00:20:20

the war is absolutely irrational,

00:20:26

not because they are allowed to speak Russian in the Donbass.

00:20:31

This is a war not because they don’t crucify

00:20:34

boys in panties,

00:20:40

evil laboratories that make

00:20:42

Russian women infertile because

00:20:44

such laboratories do not exist,

00:20:50

because if you achieve

00:20:57

This is a war for the existence of Ukraine for the fact

00:21:01

that it did not exist behind the destruction

00:21:03

in the consciousness of Vladimir Vladimirovich, the

00:21:06

consciousness is very complex and he has in his

00:21:10

priorities that there should be no Ukraine, if you

00:21:11

want me, Ukraine in general, he

00:21:14

hates them, he doesn’t want them to be

00:21:16

independent, what is this? only his

00:21:21

first goal and the next is so that there is no

00:21:24

Western civilization, so that there is no

00:21:27

European Christian at all,

00:21:31

he is at war with them, he attacked not only

00:21:35

Ukraine, he attacked the entire West, he attacked the European

00:21:37

world, the

00:21:39

Europeans include themselves there and the USA

00:21:45

The European world

00:21:47

And therefore this is a war

00:21:50

it cannot end in peace, just like

00:21:53

that, any peace will just

00:21:57

let us cease fire, but in fact

00:21:58

all the time it demands sentences,

00:22:01

why am I lying, it’s clear not so that there will be peace, but to

00:22:06

regroup, shake off the

00:22:08

wounds and forward again to Kiev

00:22:11

correctly Yes, thank God Zelensky,

00:22:13

they understand too No agree Okay,

00:22:15

let’s say Ukraine liberates all its

00:22:18

lands And that this is peace No, this is also a

00:22:22

Truce, it is inevitable on them again

00:22:24

That is, this war must

00:22:28

end with the complete dismantling of the Putin

00:22:32

regime,

00:22:34

as you

00:22:37

look

00:22:48

Germany in 1918 signed a

00:22:52

capitulation at the moment when not a single

00:22:55

foreigner entered

00:22:58

German territory not a single one was there, not a single

00:23:01

foreign soldier, they signed

00:23:03

the surrender of the necessary ones, there was no

00:23:05

chance Putin wouldn’t even sign, well,

00:23:08

another principle writes that it should include there

00:23:11

should be an agreement between them between

00:23:13

Ukraine and Russia, no then there should be

00:23:16

between Ukraine united by the West on the

00:23:19

one hand and Russia and not Putin’s

00:23:22

Russia, it’s already some kind of new because

00:23:24

no one signs an agreement with Putin, they didn’t

00:23:25

want to sign with Hitler

00:23:27

Yes, it didn’t come to mind all the guys

00:23:31

drove through and went there for a moment they do

00:23:34

n’t talk to you anymore and the ecumenical ones

00:23:36

said absolutely correctly we won’t

00:23:38

negotiate with Putin has nothing to

00:23:40

negotiate about, this is correct. It

00:23:41

seems to me that something seems to me this agreement

00:23:44

should include a

00:23:47

lot, it should include itself and

00:23:50

these courts, that the new government in Russia

00:23:53

should hand over war criminals for

00:23:55

trial, and it seems to me that this is right and

00:23:57

necessary people who created a riot

00:24:01

people who built Mariupol who are

00:24:03

bombing cities today they of course

00:24:06

must of course they must

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00:24:13

in life imprisonment for sure I

00:24:16

don’t have the death penalty in Europe Thank God in life

00:24:18

imprisonment they can’t live with people

00:24:21

never never that means this is one

00:24:24

thing that there must be a

00:24:26

problem there, there must be a problem solved, the problem of the

00:24:29

demilitarization of Russia.

00:24:31

Now, if Putin did not have such

00:24:34

nuclear weapons, he would not have started all this,

00:24:37

all this pandemonium, which means his

00:24:40

successor should not have these nuclear

00:24:42

weapons. Russia must be

00:24:44

demilitarized as

00:24:45

Japan and Germany were mentalized

00:24:47

before. defeats in the Second World War,

00:24:49

you understand, you need to understand the war must

00:24:51

end with the defeat of the Putin regime,

00:24:54

for defeat you have to pay for

00:24:57

another thing, that then the

00:25:01

position of the winner is very important, here the position

00:25:03

in about the eighteenth year over

00:25:05

Germany in the First World War was Let

00:25:07

us now go to Germany, practically

00:25:09

surrounded by a fence, penned in a hole. Let us go

00:25:12

they pay everyone Let them ride for the rest of their lives

00:25:13

There and so on the results

00:25:15

15 years have passed

00:25:19

Sergeto has found it wonderful Yes, the

00:25:22

inevitable was the result as one of my

00:25:24

laws is not worth it said war The Second

00:25:26

World War began on the day the Treaty of

00:25:28

Versailles was signed that’s how the

00:25:30

assortment was written it was the beginning of the Second World

00:25:32

War another option How the

00:25:34

victorious powers behaved in May after May

00:25:37

45 they made a Marshal they restored

00:25:41

their worst terrible enemies and they

00:25:46

were restored they helped restore

00:25:47

the economy they helped restore the

00:25:49

state they all helped them the result

00:25:52

we have today is a stable

00:25:54

democratic Germany You see, the

00:25:55

choice is between Versailles and the Marshal plan

00:25:59

The West which is fast I hope to win

00:26:02

I think you are missing one more detail

00:26:05

I think it’s not just about Putin, his

00:26:07

entourage and nuclear weapons, there are also

00:26:09

quite a few so-called Hawks and, in

00:26:12

principle, people who are quite

00:26:13

aggressive and who say that

00:26:15

Yes, Russia has finally realized itself

00:26:18

Russia has finally taken some

00:26:19

action against the West, this is

00:26:22

the understanding from the knees and everything else,

00:26:24

where to put it? Especially considering that

00:26:25

people will return from the war, people will probably have

00:26:28

weapons, people will be psychologically

00:26:30

traumatized, people will have combat

00:26:32

experience.

00:26:34

Well, I think that there won’t be that fool

00:26:36

who will come back

00:26:39

of course naturally

00:26:45

two questions these are two questions one question

00:26:49

about these sentiments that

00:26:51

really exist in Russia should not be

00:26:53

overestimated they are not so

00:26:55

widespread It seems to us that

00:27:03

their representation on TV of such

00:27:06

people of protection is higher than normal living is

00:27:08

much

00:27:11

better they yes yes So first of all I

00:27:14

want to say that they are not uh they are

00:27:19

disgusting but they are in no way to blame for the

00:27:23

war because we do not have a

00:27:25

democratic state You see,

00:27:26

when let’s say

00:27:28

there I don’t know the French

00:27:31

vacancy not the end of the month of the end of

00:27:34

the war they invested it means there were French

00:27:37

who they demanded war to a victorious

00:27:38

end there in general everyone there

00:27:41

and so on

00:27:44

Okay, this influenced the French government,

00:27:48

this does not mean the French government

00:27:50

did the opposite at the end of the words, but

00:27:52

she had to take this

00:27:54

mood into account when making a

00:27:56

decision because they vote, they are

00:27:58

voters and so on, when the advanced

00:28:01

part of American society was against the

00:28:03

war in Vietnam, then this was a factor in

00:28:06

ending the war in Vietnam,

00:28:09

when some Americans,

00:28:13

this greatly influences the political

00:28:15

situation in America, when ours are what

00:28:18

the Pindos did everything, this does not influence in any way, it is

00:28:22

made first, it makes a decision

00:28:24

based on its ideas about

00:28:26

the beautiful then he watches these

00:28:29

dissatisfied

00:28:31

pat them on the head most likely

00:28:35

forward to the screen it was quite more

00:28:38

understand the mood of

00:28:41

ours is

00:28:43

not the mood From the other part of the

00:28:46

political Spectrum it will also not affect the

00:28:48

authorities sneezing everything is another

00:28:51

question in general no support for any

00:28:53

part of society matters

00:28:55

It only matters so that there is

00:28:58

no coup, yes, that’s what they have for now,

00:29:03

they have another problem,

00:29:06

if when, after a series of dictatorships, after

00:29:10

bloody showdowns between private armies,

00:29:14

and so on, if someday our

00:29:17

unfortunate country comes out and returns to

00:29:21

normal life with us institutions, elections will be normal

00:29:27

here, what should we do with the several tens of

00:29:30

millions of people who

00:29:34

really vote for Putin here,

00:29:36

who really believe in all this

00:29:39

nonsense, who think that we were attacked,

00:29:42

and so on? They can, in fair

00:29:45

elections, they are the new Putin,

00:29:48

not give them the right to vote. You can’t

00:29:51

establish a dictatorship on the 25th transitional

00:29:54

You can’t do it wrong if you need normal,

00:29:58

very serious explanatory work,

00:30:01

you know, it requires some Not

00:30:05

disgust because among the people of

00:30:07

our district there is a very common point of

00:30:10

view And what to talk to them

00:30:26

From your neighbor in the stairwell is

00:30:30

your neighbor in the stairwell or you

00:30:33

you're leaving the country forever, you

00:30:35

live if you don't want to come back,

00:30:38

then you have to come to an agreement with this guy,

00:30:42

how

00:30:44

else will it work out? But this is also

00:30:47

not two anywhere, and a week is a huge amount of

00:30:49

time. I think years. But at this

00:30:52

time, you still need to do something in the

00:30:54

country. What

00:30:55

does it mean, look in the country, it will be obvious whether

00:30:59

we want it or not,

00:31:07

well,

00:31:16

regardless.

00:31:44

It is very important that it includes

00:31:47

people,

00:31:49

many people,

00:31:52

the appearance there will not surprise the

00:31:55

citizens. Where did you come from, look,

00:31:59

if the National Salvation Commission is in this, for

00:32:01

example, on an accident,

00:32:03

it will not surprise his supporter even

00:32:07

at night asked me to

00:32:09

know known suffered for his

00:32:13

stood stood for

00:32:14

something

00:32:17

that is, in fact, people are

00:32:21

Federally famous or regionally

00:32:24

famous They will be in demand and there

00:32:27

will be some period of I don’t know six months

00:32:28

a year how much power this committee has

00:32:32

whose task will be the Polish

00:32:35

dictatorship after he misses Of course, there

00:32:38

will not be such grace right away. So his

00:32:41

task will be to hold fair elections and

00:32:45

so on, his task will be to do so during the time of

00:32:48

his island to

00:32:50

build

00:32:54

such a system so that even if a new Putin is elected in the elections, the

00:33:01

same Yes, so that he

00:33:04

I couldn’t destroy everything so easily, it’s very important

00:33:08

because democracy, strictly speaking,

00:33:10

assumes that periodically the authorities

00:33:12

come absolutely

00:33:14

periodically, we see this in

00:33:18

good countries, you know, in the countries

00:33:20

that we envy Yes, but we see it,

00:33:23

they come such people that nothing is

00:33:28

important for the system to be like this so that it

00:33:30

would dampen them dampen

00:33:32

reduce the harm they cause everything is

00:33:36

very difficult everything is very unpredictable in

00:33:39

our country

00:33:40

promised not only a good future even

00:33:43

survival

00:33:44

even survival no one promises us

00:33:47

Unfortunately we must understand Putin Putin

00:33:49

destroyed the country he destroyed it

00:33:52

no more Actually In fact, it’s tragic for me,

00:33:56

it’s a tragic situation,

00:33:58

the country was like that until recently, it was

00:34:03

actively

00:34:06

true, I did everything that it was,

00:34:13

what do you think, now you were drawing

00:34:15

option two options, or rather, what happened to

00:34:18

Germany after the First World War

00:34:19

after the Second Which option is more

00:34:21

likely in modern conditions

00:34:24

Well, you know It’s very difficult for me to evaluate, but I

00:34:27

know a lot of them. Well, those Western

00:34:33

politicians whom I know are

00:34:38

all options,

00:34:41

definitely completely, I may have

00:34:45

distorted social psychology, a

00:34:47

psychologist has a concept of error, you pass off

00:34:49

your experience as representative, this is

00:34:53

not so, yes, of course, not with all politicians,

00:34:56

I don’t know I know people in America

00:34:59

who worked there with clients,

00:35:01

for example, yes, and even I don’t have

00:35:05

any personal relationships with those who

00:35:07

worked strangely,

00:35:10

those who are clients Obama’s husband They spoke to them

00:35:16

clearly Yes, well, the same thing in

00:35:20

Germany, Eastern European centers

00:35:24

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00:35:28

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00:38:02

Special opinion of the politician Leonid Gozman

00:38:04

on the YouTube channel living nail Bundes

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so the German recognized the Holodomor as a genocide

00:38:08

of Ukrainians don’t you think that the word

00:38:10

genocide has recently been used

00:38:12

in relation to literally any mass

00:38:15

tragedy is a political tool rather

00:38:17

than a historical one

00:38:21

it seems it seems

00:38:22

so why am I for the fact that I am for the fact that they

00:38:25

adopted any resolutions that

00:38:27

support somehow support Ukraine?

00:38:29

Well, simply because they are fighting, we need to

00:38:31

support them in any way with anything, but

00:38:35

if we talk about how to distract ourselves from the

00:38:36

tragic situation, I also don’t

00:38:39

like the use of the word genocide, it

00:38:42

just turns out that Germany, like

00:38:44

Romania in general, Ireland and Moldova,

00:38:48

which also recognized the Holodomor as

00:38:49

genocide, are likened to Russia, which

00:38:52

just recently decided to recognize Assad of

00:38:54

Leningrad as genocide, they use

00:38:56

this as a propaganda tool,

00:38:58

well, you know, no, of course, because after

00:39:02

all, recognition is an attempt to recognize that

00:39:04

this is not an attempt recognition of the Siege of

00:39:06

Leningrad as genocide, they are

00:39:10

this lawsuit

00:39:13

Well, it has not yet entered into legal force,

00:39:16

of course there will still be a long long market

00:39:18

around this,

00:39:20

which means there are actually too many

00:39:23

lies, for example, the cold in St. Petersburg the voice in

00:39:29

St. Petersburg is answered by Comrade

00:39:32

Stalinists and not at all

00:39:35

More precisely, they are not going to

00:39:42

just do it this is

00:39:44

because it was possible to display

00:39:47

products. This could be done

00:39:53

at the metal, which means more than St. Petersburg at

00:39:57

that time of Stalin, he

00:40:00

had problems with being overweight at that time,

00:40:04

consulted with doctors,

00:40:07

eat,

00:40:11

of course, you understand, because you know,

00:40:14

my father’s family was in a block

00:40:17

in St. Petersburg in the poster, my father actually was

00:40:20

drafted from there into the army, and my father

00:40:25

told me that it really was just hell.

00:40:26

But people really died

00:40:29

on the street there, everything is true, and they will

00:40:32

do it, of course, first of all, left from

00:40:35

my point of view. Besides, it’s clear

00:40:38

So what do they want to do they want

00:40:40

Hmm declare all the Romanians as Nazis and

00:40:44

who else is there and so on Well,

00:40:47

my friends, it’s a dirty dirty game and the

00:40:50

Ukrainians really

00:40:52

died of hunger A wild number and the

00:40:56

Soviet government is to blame for this,

00:40:58

no one else is to blame Yes, that’s why the

00:41:02

Soviet government is to blame in the murder of

00:41:04

millions of Ukrainians it is possible and necessary,

00:41:07

it’s fair, it’s honest, it’s called

00:41:09

genocide, it’s called something else,

00:41:11

I don’t know. I really don’t care, I

00:41:14

understand that this is a terrible crime,

00:41:16

murder, they all have ambitions,

00:41:21

but now this is what the meaning of

00:41:23

Soviet power has been gone for a long time,

00:41:25

now we need to talk about the present, about

00:41:28

what is happening right now in Ukraine and

00:41:30

not about what happened a long time ago,

00:41:33

you are saying why talk about Ukraine,

00:41:36

why these decisions to make

00:41:38

some kind of rulings by vernier technicians

00:41:42

That is, simply say Ukraine, you and I,

00:41:45

we are in solidarity

00:41:47

Well, I don’t know

00:41:49

the vote

00:41:52

vote How do I know, but I understand

00:41:56

that the initiative recognizes the Holodomor

00:42:00

as genocide of the Ukrainian people, it risks

00:42:04

from Ukraine

00:42:08

And what Ukraine needs, What it doesn’t need, but they

00:42:11

will decide for themselves. I, as a citizen of the

00:42:15

aggressor country, I do. to say

00:42:18

that they are saying until they win everything

00:42:24

is fine, let's give a little more Russia from

00:42:27

Russia, according to Rosstat, since the beginning of the year,

00:42:29

545 thousand people have left before

00:42:32

Forbes magazine summed up its calculations. According to

00:42:34

these calculations, about 700 thousand

00:42:37

people have left, what do you think is the departure of such a

00:42:39

large number of people, but all-

00:42:40

We understand that these people are mostly

00:42:41

educated, those who have the opportunity

00:42:44

to find work abroad. Well, that is, these are

00:42:46

Good specialists, but most likely these are

00:42:48

people who do not agree with the

00:42:50

Kremlin’s position; they are not ready to go to die in Ukraine; they are

00:42:52

not ready to become accomplices in

00:42:54

all this; this brings closer the Russia of

00:42:57

the future, which we would like to see

00:42:59

or it is moving away, on the contrary,

00:43:04

economic

00:43:06

economic dust can lead to both a

00:43:11

war of

00:43:12

blood and gradually returning

00:43:17

normal lives, this is

00:43:19

unpredictable It is not predictable because

00:43:22

it is scary, and in the Russian

00:43:24

economy,

00:43:27

people who are people who come

00:43:30

from where there is simply nothing to eat

00:43:35

But on the other hand, 700 thousand even if

00:43:38

it’s 700 and not 545, it’s still not that

00:43:41

much. 145 million people live in Russia;

00:44:03

a lot of them are

00:44:08

not a very large country in terms of population;

00:44:12

the country is quite old;

00:44:15

here we have a country with a

00:44:21

shortage of qualified labor;

00:44:23

and skilled labor

00:44:26

is starting to

00:44:27

scribble workers; how difficult it is to find

00:44:30

qualified funds now or

00:44:32

just a terribly difficult task for the company

00:44:35

you have a huge amount of money could not find there are not

00:44:38

enough people and an IT specialist we don’t have

00:44:41

enough everyone in fact,

00:44:43

so this is actually not This is a very

00:44:45

big blow, although 700 thousand five hundred

00:44:49

thousands are terrible,

00:44:52

these are people of a certain environment, they are

00:44:57

educated

00:45:00

And this is no longer 140 million,

00:45:03

in many ways many times less. So why does

00:45:06

n’t the government prevent them from leaving?

00:45:10

Well, I think, firstly, it can’t

00:45:14

mean it can’t close the borders at once and

00:45:17

that’s the difficulty oh

00:45:21

no, look, you’re closing the border, and then

00:45:26

yours

00:45:28

needs to

00:45:30

go

00:45:33

to Italy. Yes, that means you have to try

00:45:38

an exception for him,

00:46:10

and this and that are true

00:46:12

when they’re cooking,

00:46:16

and

00:46:18

accordingly, I wo

00:46:21

n’t come out with a poster anymore. No, I do

00:46:26

n’t want a war in Russia in Berlin because

00:46:28

that’s the whole point in Berlin some kind of

00:46:31

wave

00:46:34

makes sense, I don’t know how it is now in Russia

00:46:38

and this is the second motivation that may

00:46:41

be stronger for them Let there be less

00:46:43

confusion, that is, after all, they are afraid of

00:46:46

the people, they

00:46:48

are afraid, they are still afraid, that’s why

00:46:52

foreign agents, that’s why the new weapon

00:46:55

of the National Guard is why in general all this crazy

00:46:59

nonsense is going on, they are afraid of the

00:47:03

peoples of big cities. Yes,

00:47:05

of course they are afraid. And they are doing the right thing so that they are

00:47:09

not afraid of economic dust, they are

00:47:12

also afraid, but they think that

00:47:16

somehow the Lord will take them out. They

00:47:20

still don’t understand, you know what, they don’t

00:47:23

understand how seriously K they

00:47:25

include the West now that the West has realized

00:47:28

how dangerous it is not acceptable to be

00:47:33

dependent on them since it is necessary to

00:47:36

diversify the sources

00:47:39

there and so on, they have not yet

00:47:43

realized

00:47:44

that the West

00:47:46

I have moved from the stage of 38 to article 39 And

00:47:52

the fortieth, when you remember

00:47:57

the proposal they conveyed all sorts of

00:48:00

proposals to capitulate And

00:48:03

the Nazis said exactly what Peskov said now, you

00:48:05

understand, they said that the British

00:48:08

authorities have a great opportunity

00:48:11

to stop the suffering of the German people,

00:48:12

just accept the fair demands of

00:48:14

Germany, everything will be fine then the

00:48:17

same thing now Peskov said to Ukraine One

00:48:19

to one Guys, what are you doing

00:48:21

[music]

00:48:22

is being rewritten from there?

00:48:25

a little more often

00:48:29

and told the truth, that’s how it was, they fought,

00:48:34

that is, they don’t understand because

00:48:37

the boss They understand that the

00:48:40

West is soft, weak, relaxed, pampered, of

00:48:43

course it doesn’t want anything of course

00:48:46

it wants to maintain its standard of living

00:48:48

Comfort, but at some point it’s an animal and

00:48:52

starts to fight we must remember that these are the

00:48:55

same people, the

00:48:56

English, the French, the Spaniards, the

00:49:02

Germans, the Americans, these are the same

00:49:06

culture, those peoples who made not

00:49:11

just great geographical discoveries,

00:49:12

who made conquests of the globe

00:49:16

that they fought. So in general, there were few

00:49:19

people at all.

00:49:20

Ours all think they

00:49:24

Putin and his comrades are in captivity and

00:49:28

people always remember the war,

00:49:31

remember the

00:49:33

last days before the war, let’s say here

00:49:36

they told us that the Ukrainians don’t

00:49:38

know how to fight. They are generally cowardly, so full,

00:49:45

they will sell the

00:50:00

soldiers’ platforms to the soldiers, they were ordered to

00:50:03

take full dress uniforms, because now we

00:50:05

will enter in three days, we will take Kiev, then we will

00:50:10

not give

00:50:15

distorted ideas, including

00:50:17

the idea that the

00:50:22

guy will not give in to you

00:50:28

about the economy, they started talking about what you think is the

00:50:31

story with Kudrin, how do you explain

00:50:33

his shift to Yandex,

00:50:36

well, you know, I

00:50:38

[music]

00:50:42

treat him well, he

00:50:44

has done great things for our country

00:50:48

and he is very worthy, very decent a

00:50:51

very reliable person, it

00:50:55

was clear from what position I was speaking, but

00:50:58

this topic I didn’t have the opportunity to have

00:51:03

a relationship, would they allow me to

00:51:07

ask him there Why did you do this

00:51:15

behind bars, was resting, then left

00:51:18

Russia in a few hours, so there

00:51:21

was no opportunity to talk. But I

00:51:25

can say as it seems to me, could he be

00:51:27

completely wrong? It

00:51:29

seems to me that this means that it is

00:51:35

impossible to work anymore,

00:51:40

which is designed to

00:51:42

prevent theft

00:51:47

of use There and so on This

00:51:50

Eye is such a

00:51:54

state separation of powers in our country,

00:51:58

it is also a very interesting situation that the

00:52:01

parliament is appointed by President

00:52:08

Ilyich, as far as I understand, for

00:52:11

some time, he tried

00:52:14

to perform these functions, as far as I know, he performed them

00:52:16

very successfully. That is, he

00:52:19

stopped many corruption schemes, a

00:52:22

silent zone without everything

00:52:25

[music]

00:52:27

and the money was not indicated, the money was

00:52:29

returned, and so on. It seems to me that

00:52:32

leaving means that he

00:52:34

feels that it is impossible to think about working anymore

00:52:38

it was precisely his decision and not

00:52:41

that they wanted to remove him,

00:52:44

as far as I

00:52:46

heard. Although I don’t want this

00:52:50

because I don’t know to say, do

00:53:00

you think there are still decent

00:53:03

people in the Russian power structures,

00:53:05

those same system liberals

00:53:07

as they are called, I’m

00:53:11

skeptical about

00:53:14

the dissertation, I was able to avoid such scientific

00:53:18

boring very boring pointless

00:53:21

it happens honestly

00:53:23

uh and that’s why there are systemic

00:53:26

liberals here Well,

00:53:27

there are

00:53:33

People

00:53:37

because economic liberalism

00:53:47

and so on

00:54:09

I know people who

00:54:12

work as

00:54:14

state authorities in the government,

00:54:18

who understand everything, they are all together

00:54:22

horrified by what is happening, they are

00:54:24

trying

00:54:25

to save what can be saved which

00:54:29

they are trying to prevent

00:54:33

Water from being

00:54:41

in the hospital It was necessary

00:54:44

I know such people of course you can always

00:54:49

say you’re a guy deceiving yourself

00:54:52

you’re saying this so that

00:55:06

Thank you very much it was Special opinion of

00:55:08

politician Leonid Gozman at 21:00 on

00:55:11

youtube- channel live nail program

00:55:12

Pastukhov Thursdays and at 22:00 and another 2

00:55:16

hours after that there will be program one with

00:55:18

Dmitry Bykov Thank you very much All the

00:55:20

best

00:55:22

Thank you

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