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hop Hello everyone We are on the air this is the
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Alpha project My name is Nikolai Feldman and the
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polylab kusa project is here hello We
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will make this premiere on two channels at once
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not on-air but
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Premier Yes we have gathered with Leah to discuss the
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possibilities of France And on a large scale and as well
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promised on one of the Big Broadcasts
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across the states, we promised to do this, and
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now this moment has come, France
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and driver Europe, the European Union becomes a
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leader like this, uh, I see right away or
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sketty drits
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skeptical I have nothing against yes
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Well, look at the whole Spectrum of different I
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caught opinions regarding the
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French leadership positions
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of potential a
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Key key key argument
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of propaganda
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regarding against France, he says
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the following Well, what about Malta France if
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they lost not even to the Russian
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Federation but just to some Wagner in
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Africa, then what can they do there? This
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raises
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questions a France is supposed to
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have strategic interests
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there in Africa and strategic resources
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important for its energy sector, and so on,
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uranium mines, this is all
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connected with uranium as fuel for
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its nuclear power industry. That’s
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if they were unable to
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retain a strategic resource there
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what they can do in terms of force in a large
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global confrontation with the military Well, the
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key question in your opinion is what is the
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answer Well, let’s start with it right away Yes, let’s
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immediately break down this thesis,
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uh, if we evaluate France only
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exclusively from the point of view of its military force
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potential, I’ll remind you that France - this is
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one of the largest armies in Europe at
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the moment, unlike Germany, the state of the
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French army is better
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because in Germany with this, if we were
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talking about Germany, I would agree
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because there even before the war in Ukraine and
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we covered this topic by the way there were
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big scandals and problems with the state of the
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army when there. Well, they conducted
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an audit of where or what, there’s a lot of everything. It doesn’t
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fly, it doesn’t work, it doesn’t travel, the submarines are
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stationary. Well, in short, there was just a terrible
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situation, just in time, at the time this
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scandal arose, it concerned even periods in
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including when Ursula Vonderlein was the Minister of Defense, the
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current head of
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the European Commission in France there are no such problems,
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that
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is, it is believed that the French army
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maintains normal
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combat capability. It’s clear that it’s
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difficult for us. Well, it’s kind of difficult to assess. But that’s
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how France is. That’s what it will
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do in such a conventional war
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on a scale like ours, well, because
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they haven’t taken part in such events for a long time,
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but they have combat experience because
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French troops until recently
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took an active part in various
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anti-terrorist military operations
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in
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Africa, including the latest one,
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Operation Barkhane in the Sahel region
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Just on the territory of
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Mali which
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ended unsuccessfully, that is, they were
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unable to complete the task of destroying
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terrorist groups in that
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area. But that’s
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if you googled how many years it
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lasted there after the fourteenth year.
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Yes, what did you do for 8 years, a question for France; they were
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engaged in Operation Barkhane unsuccessfully K
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Unfortunately, it was unsuccessful, but they
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carried it out, that is, people gained combat experience.
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It was a limited contingent,
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but nevertheless, that is, like the
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United States, France used its power
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resource more often than other
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European countries, definitely more often than even
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Germany,
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and there, yes, successfully unsuccessfully. Well, that’s how it is would be
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But this is but successfully unsuccessfully this is not again
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this is like this Well, this kind of
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reminds me of yesterday we had a broadcast with
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Nikolai Kapitonenko where we also once Well,
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where he correctly said that it’s like
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great states They are Well, that’s what they
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lose Well first of all, this happens And
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secondly, it doesn’t mean anything often Well, that
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is, yes, they lose, but for example,
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losing may not be him, it doesn’t
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necessarily entail the collapse
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of this state Well, the states have lost
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a bunch of times Well, over the past 50 years, well
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count starting from Vietnam ending with
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Iraq and Afghanistan. They lost all these
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wars, but this did not lead to the
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fact that they collapsed or that their GDP
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there went to zero, yes, or what? No, well, that
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is, this is already a question, yes, that is,
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how clear is it that each result
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it is individual and may have some
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consequences. But for France, Operation
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Barkhane
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ended with them losing some of their
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positions in Africa, yes it is true, that is,
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they showed their inconsistency as a
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guarantor of security, this led to
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even more people becoming disillusioned with the
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role of France as a guarantor Although the process
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began even before this. Well, nevertheless, yes.
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This can be said, but again, this did not
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mean that France is not capable of conducting
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military operations. I’m not, I’m not sure, I
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can’t draw such a conclusion. Therefore, I think
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that we, that is, We need to clearly understand
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that the military And plus, don’t forget that
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France is one of the
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arms manufacturers and one of the largest
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exporters in the world after the start of the
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war in Ukraine, it was France that
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supplanted arms when it lost its
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position. Well, because of toxicity, as if
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because of sanctions precisely at the expense of France,
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such as India began
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to diversify the import of weapons, that is,
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they can’t buy Russian or
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don’t want anymore and they started ordering
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from the French, the Egyptians are buying a lot from the
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French in general, well, now the largest
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importers of weapons in the world are the Middle
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East, in my opinion, almost the whole ten and
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they are
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rearming that is, France
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produces a ton of high-
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quality weapons that are used by many
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countries, uh. That is, they have a military
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industry, they have working military-industrial complexes.
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Well, not all of it is confined only to
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France, it is scattered, including throughout
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the European Union, in some some types of
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weapons, but that I mean, they have
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enough Well, they have a self-sufficient
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system in this regard and they are part of
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France Germany
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Belgium Who else is partly Italy Britain
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is the largest military weapons manufacturer, that’s why
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we need to proceed from
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how, that is, how we can evaluate
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differently That is, if we We expect that the
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French army will come here and
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fight with the Russian army on our
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fronts, firstly this will not happen, it is
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very unlikely. But even if we
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imagine that it
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will be like this, well, it’s difficult to say what it is,
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most likely the French will have problems
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because they did not participate in Such
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Wars have been going on for a long time and their military is not ready for
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this; they are not motivated because, well,
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public opinion shows that they
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do not want to fight on our territory in
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Ukraine with the Russians. Well, in the trenches, that is,
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they are most likely not motivated; they are
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most likely not ready for this level
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intensity of hostilities, and here we are
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better, we are objectively better because there are a lot of
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people who have gone through the war.
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They know the territory better, they know
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the situation better, they know better what works against the
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Russians, what doesn’t work, and so on, but to
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perform limited military functions,
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for example, guarding some objects, guarding
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the border conducting targeted
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special operations,
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creating joint defense
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enterprises, this is all France can do and
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nothing, as it were, and Africa is not an indicator
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that they left Niger, relatively
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speaking, it does not mean that they have lost the
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ability to produce weapons But there is
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no connection at all between this, that
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’s why Yes, this is from a military aspect That
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is, I immediately want to say yes, that there is
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no reason to say that
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France is not capable of carrying out any
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tasks of a military nature,
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another question is simply yes, what do we expect from them?
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That is, that is, if we expect that
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some kind of army no no today there is an army in the world,
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probably except for the American one, and I do
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n’t know which one will just come and
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solve our whole problem with Russia for us. I do
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n’t have such an army, well, that is, it’s banal,
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even at the level of motivation. Yes, I
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agree that, well, the Europeans are not motivated to
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fight Well, I wouldn’t think here
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and I wouldn’t pose the question that we,
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Ukraine, are waiting for the French to come and
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fight, as if a security fence would be
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enough. It seems to me. Well, I’m
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raising it to the Absolute because the thesis
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that you read out is the same in essence
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exaggeration, as it were, people proceed
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from this, apparently this is a thesis, these are people. It
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seems to me that they are proceeding from such a position that
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if Russia attacks, for example, the
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Baltic countries, then the French
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contingent seems to be here, it
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can show itself, it will be deployed, and
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just like it deployed now on the Eastern
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flank of NATO, the French, including the
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military, are participating in all these exercises. Well,
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they are there. They have strengthened the
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Eastern flank there, and the French
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military, Italian and Spanish. That
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is, we don’t know how this is understandable,
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that is, it is very difficult to predict how
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they will behave Well, at the same time, I
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even look at this operation Barkhane, as
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it were, and in the same Wikipedia it will be written
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that one way or another the losses of the
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French contingent over
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all these 8 years amounted to 34 killed 60
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wounded at the same time in the battle
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which are listed here are several groups,
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six in my opinion or five 600 killed That
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is, if we are, that is, in terms of losses,
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they won Well, yes, so and so, that’s how they would
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destroy everyone No, they didn’t destroy, were there
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losses only in battles, also no
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Because that this is, as it were, one of the
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key
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points there. As I understand it, before they left,
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two helicopters actually collided,
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one transport, the second combat one.
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Well, that is, not related to the ones that
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killed 13 French servicemen. That
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is, it turns out 34 - 13 in real
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combat clashes this turns out it was
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even less, as if they suffered losses
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Well, in terms of losses, yes, but these are
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losses in general, this is not an indicator at all. I always
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know this, like the war in Vietnam, this is how
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much the Americans lost,
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uh, 57 or 58,000 killed and wounded or
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killed or only killed in to my
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Well, the Vietnamese lost more than
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a million Well, that is, if you
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look only at losses like this, then in general everything is
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fine. The United States had it, but
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nevertheless they lost the war, that is,
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Loser is not at all an indicator of how And as we
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understand from our life too That is as if
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it depends a lot on others, on
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other indicators for now, that’s how we
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understood, again from our war, for example,
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on the ability
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to mobilize the rear, have a strong rear and
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mobilize the production of weapons, so
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France can do all this. The seventh economy of
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the world for a second is 3 trillion dollars
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That is, this is 4 % of world GDP Yeah Well, they have
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the rear Be healthy That is, in principle, they are
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capable of mobilizing resources, they
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have the production of their own weapons,
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they have no problem with providing the army in
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this regard, yes, they may have
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problems with motivation. What are we stronger
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at the moment? because Well, with motivation
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and with how this is knowledge, how is this Phil,
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field knowledge because yes, well, it’s
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obvious that how we fight on our
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territory, we understand better here, that’s why it’s kind of Depends on how
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you know
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what to compare Yeah, that is, I would I didn’t
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bury France only in Africa, but in
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general Africa shows little in
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terms of I’m saying that
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France’s ability to wage
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war, this may show problems with
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France with its positioning in the world.
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It may show
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a problem. Well, it’s like a mental intelligence of a visual
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nature. Yes, this is how the elites of
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France think Why didn’t they see it there
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on time? Although by the way
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they saw it. Well, it seems that they didn’t see it, but they
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saw How Africa is changing. Why did they
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react poorly there to communicate,
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for example? It’s the same. Well, in the modern
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world, communication decides a lot. That
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is, why did they communicate poorly,
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their role as if in Africa, that is, well,
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in short, this is, well, these are other questions of a different order.
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Uh-huh. Simply, well, look, we’ll even
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ask a question, let’s put a point of
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view based on what
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Putin proclaimed in an interview with Kiselyov in his kind of
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programmatic election interview where he
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said we stepped on macron’s tail in
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Africa, even here it
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turns out that he is sort of positioning
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that Wagner was there and we, of course,
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are helping Wagner because this is a
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Russian group, as it were. And
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it turns out that in such
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a confrontation there is a fictitious war between
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Russia or a proxy war between Russia and
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France in Africa was carried out
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and With such positioning of Putin,
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France
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lost it to
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Wagner, that is, lost to Wagner. Although, by
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and large, Wagner could have
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been destroyed, but not well, that is, it’s like it’s
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not directly a Russian resource Well, yes,
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the military
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Look, I think
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it’s possible here There is a difference between
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how the Russian looks the average person and how
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Putin presents this story to him and how
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France looks at it and both the realities and the
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realities like this story the realities the realities are
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such that the
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Russian elites of the Russian government
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they are trying to appropriate this story Yeah,
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in many ways,
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yes, of course, Well, there is the presence of the
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Wagner PMC in some- then in African countries it is
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limited, it is also not tens of
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thousands of people, that is, it is, well, no
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more than in Operation Barkhane, conditionally
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even less,
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there is political influence of Russians in
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Africa through some kind of military
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intelligence of the Ministry of Defense Well, through the same
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contracts for the export of weapons they are also
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exporters, they are competitors in this market,
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but in many things they are Russians. That is, this is
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part of a discursive war, as it seems to me,
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that is, they create a discourse
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that is after the fact, like that is, they
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construct history after the fact, that is,
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I’m not sure that I was sure then Well,
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now it’s like If only this had, in general, already
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been confirmed that no matter how the Russians
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participated in the military coup in
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Nigeria Yeah, that is, he knew. They did
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n’t know that he would happen. Most likely not. Few
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people assumed that this would happen,
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uh. Well, those who followed Africa could
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know that, for example, in Nigeria there is a
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conflict between the president there, this
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head of the presidential guard, well, it
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will come to a head. Well, this is such a
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classic story, there were no
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Wagnerites there at all, well, in Nigeria there
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were no Wagnerites at that time. Well, this is a
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country about the French
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administration, a coup is taking place in
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which, well, there are no Russians even close.
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It is clear that this is beneficial for Russia, that
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is, about the French administration,
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they removed the coup, it is anti-French,
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that is, the anti-smell
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character is cool and
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the construction of history begins, that is,
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after the fact they tell the story that
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in fact it is us, that is, as it were, that’s all
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of course
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why do they use lyu someone came out with a
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Russian Flam demonstration they took a picture of
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all this this is a pro-Russian protest that means they
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said something And I saw how
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this story developed with Well, as if
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in Nigeria there is still no one, well,
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unlike Burkina Faso and Mali in Nigeria is
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in power at least for now, but they have
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never signed any agreements
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with Russia on the deployment of mercenaries. And
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now they are called the African Corps,
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as they are, they are now
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restructuring them after the death of Zhin. That
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is, as if they are, they are They are simply
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appropriating this history speaking about the fact that
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it’s all of us, yes it’s us, it’s like this and we
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’ll do it like this further, you know,
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that is, how. That is, and ours for some reason,
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here we often become victims of the
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Russian information field because we
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repeat their history instead of
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instead of sorting it out and
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looking at something, that is, on the contrary, to say
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that no matter how Nunu Russia is not there and they
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are trying to somehow raise their role in the lawsuit,
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we contribute to this when
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we support all these theories that the ways of the
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omnipresent Putin, who, as it were,
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has launched his tentacles into every story
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because, again, we need to distinguish
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Burkina Faso Mali now there is a
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presence of the Wagner PMC there, it also happened after the fact,
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but it is now in
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Nigeria So far, no in Guinea, no there either, there is
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also a military coup took place in
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Gabon, where there was a coup in August
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last year immediately after Niger a
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month later there as the
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French administration remained there,
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that is, nothing changed there at all
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because the nature of the coup was different.
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That is, it was not anti-French in
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nature, it was of a different nature, but it
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was inside. Although I remember when it
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happened, Russian publics too
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they were advancing that Well, now
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now you see how they were under Domino Domino
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now went all over Africa then when
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it became clear that this was just a conflict
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within the Elite Well, inside the clan, that is,
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inside the ruling clan There just seemed to be a
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conflict, some
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changed others there but in fact, nothing
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has changed,
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they all fell silent, the topic of Gabon
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simply disappeared. That is, I. That’s why I
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say that I see pure
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manipulation here. Well, that is, a discursive
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war, they just take it, create
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a discourse quickly, what they succeeded in, you quickly
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create it and start pushing it
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uh, of course, it helps them that in all
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these countries there is strong sympathy for
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Russia as an alternative player Anti
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Well, that is, well, friend The enemy of my enemy is my
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friend, yes, that is, Russia is against France and
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we are against France Well, then Russia is a friend,
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they all don’t break the Africans a little
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they understand all this, that’s why, as it were, that’s all
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I see in this. And here they are
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starting to extol like Everything now,
00:19:12
as it were, France in general, the whole process of the
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weakening of France in Africa. That is, this is
00:19:19
reality. That is, this is a real process
00:19:21
that is happening, but it is not happening.
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because of Russia That is, it started
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back in the late eighties
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when the colonial
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post-conceptual group of people are
00:20:01
such convinced sheets Well, like the supporters of
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de Gaulie, they are also called the barons
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of Gaullism, like they are such very
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influential people Well, I think such Henry
00:20:08
Kissinger in short around around naked
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they were convinced
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nationalists and they created this
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system, but because they understood and this,
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by the way, was precisely the result of
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de Golem’s rethinking of African politics in general
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when they realized that the war in
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Algeria was lost.
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They rethought all this and realized
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that they had to let go we need to get rid of
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this empire because it was a yoke around the
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neck. Well, at the time it’s on the neck of France just
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like Britain. Britain came to the same
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conclusion that we need to let it all go
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because they don’t take money. There are no
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such people anymore And this all creates more problems
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than benefits and they
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let go the only difference between Britain and
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France was that,
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unlike Britain, they were more often able to leave without
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problems uh Well, with the exception of India uh and
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Palestine Uh, in many things they left
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as if normally Well, that is, they
00:21:06
provided independence there somehow- that
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is, the procedure was organized
00:21:09
more or less, and France more often left with
00:21:13
problems, uh, but they were when, but in the
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fifty-ninth year, Charles De Gaulle
00:21:18
launched this process, that is,
00:21:19
decolonization in essence, that is, well,
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it’s clear that France itself essentially began to
00:21:23
renounce its empire But in
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order to maintain influence on Africa,
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they created this system, as it were, in
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which it was no longer colonies, but
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what were the pillars of Franz Frick What was
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it the first French language Well,
00:21:37
like a French-speaking environment Well, like our
00:21:40
Russian-speaking post-Soviet space
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Yes, what remains is this Common
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Space, and they have French-speaking people who
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all speak French, the
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cultural penetration of Paris
00:21:47
remained high, second, few of us
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know that they are all these former
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colonies, these are the same French-speaking
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former colonies of Spain, Belgium and France
00:22:01
who speak in French,
00:22:03
they tied their national currencies
00:22:05
to the French franc. Uh-huh. Well,
00:22:08
you just get attached,
00:22:10
that is, they were all in the same
00:22:13
currency zone, that is, everything was tied
00:22:15
to the French franc, plus the personal
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connections that had been
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built for decades between the leaders. Eh, which
00:22:25
then gave rise to the truth. Well, as you understand,
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this is already such a part
00:22:29
of the deep state Yes, like where the
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elite connections are, there are almost family connections
00:22:33
between the African and French
00:22:35
elites, they were opaque, so
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all of this, of course, ultimately led to the fact
00:22:39
that they were often there, this gave rise to
00:22:41
corruption there and what Well, in short, I
00:22:44
’ll tell you later, well, in general, yes, that is, it
00:22:48
was a moment, that is, some kind of personal
00:22:49
obligations on which everything was tied,
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French companies that
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remained and thanks to these connections
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received lucrative contracts for the extraction of
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minerals. Yeah on favorable
00:23:02
conditions and at a favorable price and often
00:23:04
military, well, not like a military
00:23:07
presence or a non-military presence,
00:23:10
but that is, France saw itself,
00:23:12
continued to see itself as a guarantor of the
00:23:13
security and stability of Africa, because of
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this, their policy was
00:23:20
interventionist in the affairs of different countries
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so that there guarantee yes, that is,
00:23:24
conditionally, security has been violated, in their
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opinion, they can carry out some kind of
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coup there, on average, from the sixties to the
00:23:31
eighty-fifths, on average there was
00:23:34
one such intervention per year. That
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is, they simply conditionally found
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or looked for or found a form of that
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How can you preserve the Empire without bearing full
00:23:44
responsibility for the ongoing processes? Yes, interfere as much
00:23:46
as possible,
00:23:48
influence, and so on. Well,
00:23:50
you know, this is manifested by a very typical
00:23:52
De Gaulle shawl, this was manifested in his
00:23:55
attitude towards the EU to the EU project, he was
00:23:59
against it, he was against the European Union
00:24:01
as a supranational organization, he didn’t
00:24:04
want to give up sovereignty over a
00:24:06
national body, but he supported the
00:24:08
idea in general that the EU would be in the form of a kind of
00:24:13
federal federative countries
00:24:17
Relations between each other with the leading role of
00:24:19
France Of course, listen, well, this is what you’re
00:24:22
telling right now and this is different
00:24:24
the look gives rise to France as a
00:24:27
train setter of what
00:24:30
Russia ultimately does because
00:24:32
you’re telling me that it was also an
00:24:34
empire, all empires, they and they all
00:24:36
went the same way, that is, the
00:24:38
French Empire, the British
00:24:40
Russian Russian American proho Russian
00:24:43
now here it is takes advantage of this,
00:24:45
it turns out that you allowed yourself to do this
00:24:48
and we will do it the same way, in general. This
00:24:51
type of behavior is like an active position, but
00:24:53
it’s very true. Well, yes, like, well, like,
00:24:55
you’re allowing Russia there, as it were, to
00:24:57
take part
00:24:58
in the history of Kosovo or Iraq
00:25:01
relative to the USA, there you allowed yourself
00:25:03
this or that and we mean. Therefore, I say
00:25:06
that these historical
00:25:07
costs of this process that I
00:25:09
just described, that is, the collapse of the
00:25:11
French empire created by France Frick
00:25:13
and now the partial collapse of France Frick,
00:25:16
all this creates
00:25:18
a favorable the soil for Russia to
00:25:20
use this, that is, it helps to
00:25:22
promote their narratives, everything. That is,
00:25:25
if this had not happened, if, for example,
00:25:27
France had developed different relations with
00:25:29
Africa there, maybe the Russians would not have
00:25:31
been able to play on this because there would
00:25:33
be no anti-French sentiments, but
00:25:35
there is an anti-French mood, that is,
00:25:36
this is an objective reality, this is not an
00:25:38
invention of the Russians, they are just, but another
00:25:40
question is that it is necessary to distinguish, as it were, those
00:25:42
processes that exist from the fact that Russia
00:25:44
is trying from above, I’ll make up my mind Well, yes,
00:25:46
because, well, they are really trying a lot of things,
00:25:48
I say like with this hero It’s very funny for me
00:25:49
to read that it turns out it was us,
00:25:51
although they weren’t even close there, but
00:25:53
when the conventional Putin says that
00:25:57
like we stepped
00:25:58
on the tail of macron in Africa, it’s specifically
00:26:02
that then he conventionally means
00:26:04
everything is completely invented or something- then something is that
00:26:06
that they stepped on Well,
00:26:09
well,
00:26:11
almost half Well, not everything, but for example
00:26:13
Well, I can say that Russia succeeded,
00:26:17
as I said, in the
00:26:19
formation of a primitive but accessible to
00:26:22
all
00:26:24
narrative that is perceived in Africa
00:26:28
second Russia was able to organize quickly
00:26:31
take advantage of the situation to partially
00:26:33
fill the vacuum that
00:26:35
France left in the form of mercenaries, that is, bring
00:26:37
them there, agree to deploy them there, even
00:26:39
get some contracts for
00:26:42
mineral extraction Well, not in all countries, but that
00:26:44
is, yes, they were able to do something, uh Well, that’s
00:26:47
all Well, that is, partial success they
00:26:49
had Of course, I’m not saying that there aren’t any
00:26:50
of them there at all, well, no, but not everywhere,
00:26:53
not everywhere and not as big as they are
00:26:55
for themselves. And as I said, the
00:26:58
first reason is not in Russia, that is, this is the
00:27:01
Key one. That is, I’m not like it’s
00:27:03
breaking this thesis is that it was not
00:27:04
Russia that did all this, that is, they
00:27:06
just sat on this stream
00:27:08
conditionally and it’s just like this.
00:27:10
Let’s start at this point, that
00:27:13
is, they saw this point and
00:27:14
just started clicking on it This is what they
00:27:16
were able to do, but you also need to be able to
00:27:18
do this Well, on time and as if in the way they
00:27:20
do it, and samata is this sore
00:27:23
point, it arose exclusively as a
00:27:26
result of the evolution of French
00:27:28
African relations That’s how it is, that
00:27:31
is, in a sense, even me I would say,
00:27:32
based on the results of the policies of Charles de Gaulle and his
00:27:35
associates, the legacy is quite ancient, let’s
00:27:37
say, not ancient, but about
00:27:39
100 years, yes, yes, uh, let’s now
00:27:42
touch upon the Strategy of the resource
00:27:44
that France lost, that is, from an
00:27:46
economic point of view, exclusively,
00:27:49
yes, uh after all, a lot has been said about the fact that
00:27:52
France has a strategic resource in
00:27:54
Africa, uranium there, all these stories
00:27:56
there, uranium
00:27:59
mining, how important is what
00:28:02
France lost and could not, as it were,
00:28:03
protect by force, look what France
00:28:06
lost, I will now open this link
00:28:08
that I found before
00:28:11
it means that this is exactly what they wrote about it, they wrote
00:28:14
very good statistics about it,
00:28:18
they cited statistics, then let’s
00:28:19
take Niger. Well, the key
00:28:23
story was When we have
00:28:25
T, Niger is one of the
00:28:28
five largest
00:28:31
exporters of uranium to France. Uranium is needed
00:28:34
for France to power its nuclear power plants, but
00:28:38
Niger doesn’t the first is not the second or even the
00:28:40
third position, that is, in general,
00:28:42
I looked at the following statistics. That
00:28:45
is, over the past 10
00:28:47
years, France has mainly imported
00:28:50
uranium from Kazakhstan, first place
00:28:54
27%, second place Niger 20% and Uzbekistan
00:28:59
19%, that is, Uzbekistan and Niger almost on
00:29:01
one line plus one more, but it’s not indicated here, there
00:29:03
are also Mongolia and Namibia, which also
00:29:07
have Well, this one is kind of serious in
00:29:11
general, if we take the world’s exporters of
00:29:13
Uranium. That’s who, as it were,
00:29:16
in the world, is the largest in the world, Niger - This is only 4% of
00:29:19
production, that is, the most the big ones are
00:29:21
Kazakhstan Canada Namibia and Australia Yeah, that
00:29:25
is, in fact, France could have lost up
00:29:29
to
00:29:32
20%. This is a large percentage, but not critical,
00:29:38
that is, look. Well, time has passed, the
00:29:39
French AS have not stopped
00:29:44
working, therefore, plus France
00:29:46
has diversified imports in recent years
00:29:48
Well, because they understand, they are not
00:29:49
crazy to critically depend on one
00:29:51
country in which there are problems with the
00:29:53
perception of the French
00:29:55
presence, which is why, in general, I would
00:29:58
say they are more dependent
00:30:01
on Kazakhstan now. Well, that is, Central
00:30:02
Asia Plus Mongolia, which was not useful
00:30:04
last year Macron went on an official
00:30:06
visit at the presidential level with a
00:30:08
delegation we also have, like, I remember
00:30:11
they laughed there that some fool
00:30:13
went to Mongolia, that we hear about Mongolia, yes, that
00:30:15
is, So,
00:30:17
well, look at what resources
00:30:19
Mongolia has, as it were. By the way, let's get this
00:30:21
link of obligation. To our video
00:30:24
so that people who want to be good, it was just what is it
00:30:27
called
00:30:28
how much France is dependent on Nigers
00:30:31
Uranus, it was written on August 7 immediately
00:30:33
after the coup, like because it
00:30:35
was a key topic, that is, it is for the
00:30:38
last year for the summer of the past year, you can
00:30:39
now look at the statistics there if
00:30:41
you want. Well,
00:30:42
that is, I think that Yes, this is
00:30:46
unpleasant, but it seems to me that
00:30:50
with France
00:30:52
- it has lost more in
00:30:55
terms of reputation, that is, than to say that there they
00:30:57
have lost very serious resources because of
00:30:59
which, for example, there jobs were filled up
00:31:01
or I don’t know there, well, in short, well, I
00:31:04
can’t say this, there’s no such thing,
00:31:06
maybe this resource was extremely cheap for them,
00:31:07
it was cheap, of course, that is,
00:31:10
they lost, they lost lucrative
00:31:12
contracts, I don’t know, I won’t tell you the numbers,
00:31:14
it’s not clear, but it was It’s obvious that in this
00:31:16
system in which Well, in the logic of the
00:31:19
NFC system, it’s clear that it was Well, it’s more pleasant to
00:31:23
extract a resource in a country there in which there is
00:31:26
a lot of dependence on you, you can
00:31:27
impose some things than, for example,
00:31:29
buy there in Kazakhstan That is,
00:31:31
probably yes then there are probably increased
00:31:34
costs. Yeah, they have to
00:31:37
reorient themselves to other countries
00:31:39
there to make up for this 20% plus, in
00:31:41
fact, it is still not completely clear whether the
00:31:44
Nigerian authorities directly
00:31:46
tore up all the contracts or that is, because this
00:31:47
point is still unclear. That is, I do not
00:31:49
rule out that France will return there,
00:31:52
maybe they will re-negotiate the terms
00:31:55
because well, the Niger authorities are
00:31:57
interested in having
00:31:58
companies work for them, they invest, it’s
00:32:01
not like they’re crazy, but they’re just
00:32:02
all there. Leave and that’s it, that is, they’ll
00:32:05
bring someone there anyway. maybe the
00:32:07
Russians it could be the Chinese maybe the
00:32:09
French will come back uh and plus plus They
00:32:13
lost this, well, a base, a French
00:32:16
base, they had a base there of about a thousand
00:32:19
troops Yes, they forced them all to
00:32:21
leave So they didn’t want to for a long time, but they
00:32:24
still left Well Even this, I would say, is
00:32:27
probably strategically of greater
00:32:29
importance because they have lost
00:32:31
one of the entry points into the region, but for example they
00:32:33
still have a base there in the same Gabon,
00:32:35
not far from Niger, that is, I don’t know, then again
00:32:38
they still have Chad in Chad, by the way also
00:32:42
where the French elites are still in power,
00:32:45
despite what happened
00:32:48
recently, also in the same place. Recently there was
00:32:50
a conflict that many called a
00:32:53
coup attempt. I’m not sure that it was a
00:32:56
coup attempt.
00:32:58
There were also armored vehicles taken out into
00:33:01
the street and this also started and again,
00:33:03
Russian publics also began to disperse
00:33:05
that here is another country, but
00:33:08
nothing worked out there, in the end in Chad it all
00:33:10
ended with the leader of the opposition
00:33:13
party just having elections, soon he was
00:33:16
killed by the headquarters of his party Well, the party
00:33:19
itself was banned, the headquarters was demolished, they
00:33:21
dispersed bulldozers, which many regarded
00:33:23
as not a coup attempt, but on the contrary,
00:33:24
an attempt by
00:33:26
the authorities
00:33:28
to suppress the opposition by force, and how, by the way,
00:33:30
the opposition was more
00:33:33
critical of France, which may
00:33:36
indicate that it could be. This
00:33:38
was just an attempt to prevent
00:33:40
any problems.
00:33:42
anti-French forces coming to power That is,
00:33:46
what if France, for example, was involved in this in
00:33:48
some way Well, here's a
00:33:50
clear demonstration that they
00:33:53
have some kind of influence Well, as it were Quite so That
00:33:55
is, they still have
00:33:58
allies in Africa That is I Well, cape
00:34:02
coder Toga Benin Chad Gabon these are still the
00:34:06
largest allies of Africa France in
00:34:09
Africa Well, they have a base in Senegal,
00:34:11
additionally Djibouti and chat yes yes, well, that
00:34:15
is, there are entry points Yes, they lost
00:34:17
one of them, well, it’s kind of unpleasant, but not
00:34:20
critical Uh-huh Okay, let’s now
00:34:25
sort things out a little with French
00:34:26
society, and before the elections to
00:34:30
the European Parliament, all these statements are like a
00:34:32
macron Uh-huh, what did they do anyway, uh, which way the
00:34:36
wind blows public opinion, you
00:34:39
’re talking about the fact that they don’t directly support
00:34:42
What data do you rely on? What do
00:34:44
you know from Macron’s statement about
00:34:47
sending troops sending troops Well,
00:34:49
all this belligerent rhetoric
00:34:51
aimed at leadership in the
00:34:53
European Union is an opinion that after
00:34:56
this Macron remains almost alone
00:34:58
with Russia throughout Europe, but this
00:35:01
is expressed within French
00:35:03
society there by various
00:35:05
leaders. Look at
00:35:08
public opinion
00:35:10
public opinion polls show
00:35:12
that, as I already said, the French do
00:35:14
not want to fight in Ukraine. That is, this is an
00:35:16
unpopular idea, first and second, we
00:35:20
saw from the reaction that all the opposition
00:35:22
parties in France do not support this
00:35:25
idea. Macron had a meeting with the leader of the
00:35:28
parliamentary factions of the opposition,
00:35:31
absolutely everything from from left to right they said
00:35:33
no, that this is madness, someone said more softly,
00:35:36
someone said Well, they said that no, we do not
00:35:38
support any sending of
00:35:41
troops from which I draw a conclusion, but
00:35:43
nevertheless Macron continues to insist on
00:35:45
his own from which I draw a kind of conclusion that
00:35:47
he it is not based on the public, not on the
00:35:49
request of society, not on someone’s request, not
00:35:51
on some kind of national Solidarity. But
00:35:53
on something
00:35:54
else, I see in the statements a
00:35:57
political game that is aimed at
00:36:01
solving several
00:36:03
problems, which means task number
00:36:06
one. Well, I’ll start with just the tasks then I’ll also
00:36:09
add a personal factor which I’m
00:36:11
sure plays a role in this, which means task
00:36:13
number one is to get the
00:36:16
conversation about military support for Ukraine
00:36:18
that has
00:36:20
been stuck in the background off the ground. Well, sort of. Thus,
00:36:24
he raises the bar as if to say that we
00:36:26
can almost send troops there at least
00:36:28
Well, in the context in
00:36:31
which he spoke, it was about a
00:36:34
limited contingent of instructors
00:36:35
who could be sent to
00:36:37
Ukraine and which, by the way, were not
00:36:39
unprecedented; we had a NATO mission of a
00:36:43
thousand people after the fourteenth year,
00:36:45
which trained the Ukrainian military,
00:36:47
which left in the second year after the start of the
00:36:49
Russian invasion That is, this is not an
00:36:51
unprecedented
00:36:52
story. That is, this is the first task
00:36:56
because, well, he sees that the issue is
00:36:57
really
00:36:59
stuck and something needs to be done, somehow, to
00:37:02
move it somehow, we need to convince others so
00:37:03
that they do not refuse to support
00:37:07
Ukraine. And for this we need to raise it sharply
00:37:09
bar so that later we can agree that, well,
00:37:11
look, let's not send
00:37:12
troops. Well, let's give missiles there or
00:37:15
something else. I see this as a task, well,
00:37:18
an attempt, at least the second task is to raise the
00:37:22
Prestige of France against the backdrop of
00:37:25
indecisive allies, that is, Germany
00:37:28
now looks weak due to
00:37:30
indecision on the issue of transferring
00:37:32
the taurukh to us Yes, in the States there is still a problem with the
00:37:35
aid package that is stalled in Congress,
00:37:38
which means that in Britain now we have no time either.
00:37:40
They have a
00:37:42
monstrous electoral picture there
00:37:45
for the Conservative Party, their rating there is already
00:37:46
below 20% fell, that is, it’s
00:37:49
bad there, they have internal politics there. So
00:37:52
here France comes out with something like this,
00:37:54
and we in general and we will make we have
00:37:55
no doge of red lines at all, yes, that is, there
00:37:57
should be no limits, as
00:37:58
Emmanuel Macron said. This is a status story
00:38:02
like would be purely to show that
00:38:04
France can take on informal
00:38:06
leadership in the Ukrainian direction, they have
00:38:08
long wanted to do this And in this
00:38:10
regard they compete with the
00:38:11
others. The third task, I see in this an
00:38:15
attempt by France to lead in general
00:38:18
issues related to security and
00:38:21
defense in Europe. This is a long history I am
00:38:25
here, I believe that it is directly related
00:38:27
to the
00:38:28
dispute that exists between
00:38:31
France and Germany now regarding the
00:38:34
future of the security system in the EU and
00:38:39
here again we must go back into history in the
00:38:42
years of Charles de Gaulle because
00:38:43
Emmanuel Macron is a
00:38:47
staunch supporter of Charles de Gaulle de
00:38:49
Gaulle, he also spoke about this, like
00:38:51
many people, in fact, the shawl De Gaulle
00:38:54
gave created a whole whole. Well, how is this
00:38:57
political ideological direction,
00:38:59
this is not an ideology,
00:39:01
the direction of lism is not an ideology, this is
00:39:03
more like you know, as a principle, a set of
00:39:06
principles of such national
00:39:08
patriotic ones that are all they are
00:39:10
now trying to appropriate to themselves, well, as it were, here
00:39:12
we are All of us, yes, we are behind this,
00:39:13
well, which formed the basis of the Fifth
00:39:15
Republic and the point is that
00:39:20
their meaning of all this is that
00:39:22
France should
00:39:25
be a strong centralized
00:39:28
self-sufficient state with its own
00:39:31
external
00:39:32
politics with their own with their own spheres of
00:39:34
influence, only now they can’t be called in any other way,
00:39:36
their sphere of influence, and of
00:39:38
course with
00:39:39
their seemingly realized ambitions,
00:39:43
like well, in the form of European
00:39:45
leadership at the same time. Well, Charles De
00:39:47
Gaulle built such a
00:39:49
state, I’ll remind you
00:39:52
what, how is it not just he, well, it’s
00:39:56
not just that’s what he wrote. There he did
00:39:59
specific actions in the sixty year, not
00:40:03
from sixty pgo to 6 seventh, in fact, in
00:40:06
2
00:40:07
years he brought it out. So the first thing he
00:40:11
did was he
00:40:13
brought out the French fleet Well different
00:40:16
Flotillas from the NATO command structures
00:40:20
He practically withdrew France from
00:40:22
NATO in this year, then it was
00:40:26
under him that the French nuclear program was created,
00:40:28
they received their own nuclear weapons
00:40:31
It was also like the third, but few
00:40:34
people know that since the end of the Second
00:40:37
world on the territory of France
00:40:38
there were foreign military bases uh
00:40:42
and he withdrew them all he forced them all to
00:40:44
leave including the Americans
00:40:47
uh That is, until
00:40:49
the year sixty-seven, everyone left from there and transferred
00:40:51
control of the air base to the French
00:40:53
actually
00:40:54
and That is, he was
00:40:58
he was
00:40:59
convinced of the idea that France should not
00:41:02
depend on anyone, and by the way, it was very
00:41:05
noteworthy that during the years he was an
00:41:08
opponent of the
00:41:12
Soviet-American bipolar system because they say
00:41:15
France is lost, like it turns out France
00:41:18
should, as it were, put it in a choice of you, how
00:41:21
would you go to this bloc or to the Americans?
00:41:23
he didn’t like it, he believed that
00:41:25
France in general should
00:41:27
form its own separate pole of influence
00:41:30
in the world and Yes, he seemed to more often support
00:41:34
Western policy there against the Soviet
00:41:36
Union, but in many, well, not in all,
00:41:39
not in all aspects, and I’m saying He was
00:41:41
very well, no matter how much he didn’t like this
00:41:43
idea Emmanuel Macron also
00:41:56
sovereignty Since then Since
00:41:58
Charles De Gaulle resigned under
00:41:59
pressure from society there because of the protest in
00:42:01
1969, his policy was
00:42:04
continued uh but since then it has changed has not
00:42:07
changed a few things fundamentally
00:42:08
uh France has lost this, its
00:42:11
kind of exclusive influence due to,
00:42:13
firstly, the collapse of its empire
00:42:16
uh Well, that is, in essence, the narrowing of France to the
00:42:19
European theater, and secondly, due to
00:42:22
integration into the EU, well, integration into the EU
00:42:25
has washed away This is how If
00:42:26
only we were a European
00:42:28
family, we should be there, well, in short, what
00:42:30
happened with Britain, essentially, and now
00:42:35
this is France’s attempt to lead
00:42:37
Europe, it is expressed in disputes over a
00:42:41
unified security and defense policy,
00:42:43
which still doesn’t exist in the EU, they don’t have
00:42:45
unity. They have, as it were, they still have it.
00:42:47
Now maybe By the way,
00:42:49
by the end of the year they
00:42:51
will finally decide to appoint a European Commissioner for
00:42:53
Defense Yeah, uh, they have
00:42:56
Josep Burel, who became the High
00:42:59
Representative for Foreign Policy And this is a
00:43:01
relatively recent thing the decision was in
00:43:02
2009, just when they tried
00:43:05
to create a unified foreign policy, they
00:43:07
really didn’t succeed, it’s still
00:43:08
different now. As we see, there is no
00:43:10
unified policy. Well, there is a storm, but it’s like
00:43:12
another European one has appeared. Yes,
00:43:15
they want to do the same thing. That is
00:43:17
this is a question, that is, the first dispute is a
00:43:18
dispute about integration about further
00:43:20
integration of the EU in the field of defense and
00:43:22
security, and here there is a conflict
00:43:25
between two fundamentally different ideas
00:43:28
Germany has come and is promoting they believe
00:43:31
that the US security umbrella is needed and it is necessary to
00:43:35
create a defense system for Europe together
00:43:38
with the states including the
00:43:40
EU missile defense system Yeah, the French
00:43:42
think that no, they are promoting the idea of
00:43:45
buy European that we don’t need
00:43:48
states Let’s produce for ourselves and
00:43:50
produce for ourselves Well, we don’t need
00:43:52
dependence on the Americans, we’ll
00:43:54
create our own security umbrella
00:43:57
And so I think they can do this to be connected by
00:43:59
these statements, this game of macron, that
00:44:01
is, in contrast to Germany, that they say we
00:44:04
will take leadership and we will
00:44:05
try to push through this story,
00:44:08
we can independently conduct it, that is,
00:44:11
we do not need to look at
00:44:12
Washington’s position there, how it does it, how it does it
00:44:14
it seems Berlin Well, sometimes he does. That’s why
00:44:18
this is like the second moment and
00:44:20
there is also a personal thing, a purely personal
00:44:22
thing inherent in Emanuele Macron. It’s just
00:44:25
not the first time I’ve seen this. When Well, it
00:44:28
seems to me that he is inclined to make loud
00:44:31
statements as they
00:44:34
should Well, demonstrate Here this
00:44:37
Greatness, as it were, of Paris, there is
00:44:40
still gunpowder, so to speak, and everything else,
00:44:42
this is not the first time, uh, he’s he,
00:44:46
it seems to me that this is his, this is a trait of him
00:44:48
personally Well, as a leader, he’s just he, he’s
00:44:51
quite an ambitious politician,
00:44:54
uh, I read different uh Well, I read different
00:44:58
articles somewhere they criticize him for his
00:45:01
arrogance uh for tyranny somewhere they
00:45:04
say that he is but but everyone agrees on
00:45:06
one thing, both critics and supporters that he is
00:45:09
very he is super ambitious and he
00:45:13
wants to be like this he wants to bring
00:45:16
France closer to be the leader of France, as it
00:45:19
was before, that is, ah, Glory to
00:45:21
Charles de Gaulle, his kind of followers, so
00:45:25
he wants it to be like this, and I
00:45:27
think for these. This can also influence
00:45:29
his personal communication when he
00:45:32
what something he says provokes there, well,
00:45:35
such things provoke discussions in their
00:45:37
time, he’s the author of the immortal phrase
00:45:41
NATO has brain death Yeah, you remember that, uh-huh
00:45:45
When it was before the war, it was in the
00:45:47
first two decades or twenties,
00:45:49
in my opinion Well, when too he
00:45:51
said this and everyone started hating him for
00:45:53
how it was criticism of NATO and so on, and
00:45:56
he then France, at the same time, also
00:45:59
promoted the Armed Forces in
00:46:01
opposition to NATO, as it were, or him. I
00:46:04
remember when he was after the explosion in the port of
00:46:06
Beirut in In August of 1920, he
00:46:10
personally undertook to oversee the issue of
00:46:13
stabilizing Lebanon, he came there three
00:46:15
times and tried to put together a new
00:46:19
government there, that is, to directly influence
00:46:21
there, somehow he didn’t succeed.
00:46:23
But then he also made a lot of noise with
00:46:25
his statements, which is the attention
00:46:27
he paid attention to this issue and how he
00:46:29
stood out among all the others. That is,
00:46:31
everyone else seemed to
00:46:33
do nothing and only France did everything.
00:46:35
I think here it’s about the same
00:46:37
story, uh, there’s another factor. It
00:46:40
seems to me that he Well, probably he plays a role
00:46:43
Although many simply they're talking about it, but I'm
00:46:45
not sure how important it is. These are the elections
00:46:47
to the European Parliament, which is kind of like, well, macron
00:46:50
is playing on in the elections, but I'm not
00:46:52
sure about that. Well, that is, I think that
00:46:54
maybe there I'm not sure that it's
00:46:55
purely electoral logic right here because that,
00:46:57
firstly, the elections in the European Parliament are not
00:46:58
as important for him as the elections in
00:47:00
France, and secondly,
00:47:02
Uh, this is not the message with which to
00:47:05
go to the elections Well, because people are not
00:47:07
very good at scaring people with war by participating in a
00:47:09
war before the elections where the issue of Ukraine
00:47:13
is. Well like, so how can we
00:47:17
do it so that we spend less on
00:47:18
Ukraine, better spend more on ourselves, I don’t know. That
00:47:21
is, it seems to me that this argument is
00:47:23
also in the Western press, but I think
00:47:26
that after all,
00:47:27
I’m betting that this is all connected with the
00:47:29
Personality of Macron laurels of Charles de Gaulle
00:47:32
and this story with Germany,
00:47:34
competition for
00:47:37
the future of security and defense policy
00:47:39
Uh-huh
00:47:40
And look, an important question seems to me to be
00:47:44
these European ambitions of Macron
00:47:46
regarding a unified army. He was not so
00:47:49
wrong about the brain death of
00:47:52
NATO when he made these statements. This it
00:47:55
was during Trump's presidency of the
00:47:57
United States and there he had, as it were, grounds
00:48:00
since Trump's second statement today. I
00:48:04
mean the current Yes, current
00:48:06
statements of Trump this year that have already
00:48:08
been made regarding the security of Europe.
00:48:11
Well, in principle, they don’t leave
00:48:14
much to the European countries and
00:48:16
options Because they need to think about their
00:48:18
own security
00:48:20
without the presence of the US because
00:48:23
the presence of the US Well is no longer the
00:48:25
subject of at least bipartisan
00:48:27
support or bipartisan issues in the
00:48:30
States themselves so this is an open risk
00:48:32
it is definitely not zero risk yes, that is, it is a
00:48:35
very high risk what seems to be a
00:48:37
significant risk Moreover, everyone
00:48:39
understands after Trump’s first term What to
00:48:42
expect already, and there Macron has already stated all
00:48:45
these things, so let’s
00:48:56
always be, yes, look, I’m sure that the
00:48:59
state elections, the elections in the States are directly
00:49:01
related to all of this, Why have
00:49:03
these processes accelerated and these statements, uh, they
00:49:05
are preparing for the fact that if Trump suddenly comes
00:49:08
back, then they should be ready for
00:49:10
uh, everything, including the fact that
00:49:13
Trump, well, if he doesn’t leave NATO, which is
00:49:16
unlikely, but he simply won’t pay attention to it.
00:49:18
before, that is, and
00:49:20
this is Well, first of all, it’s logical to
00:49:22
prepare for any scenario. It would be
00:49:25
strange to just sit and like Yes,
00:49:27
it’s not clear what, plus now, in fact, this is the
00:49:30
shadow of Trump, it creates
00:49:33
very good ground for macron to again
00:49:36
promote these ideas Well, the war in
00:49:39
Ukraine and the shadow of Trump, these are the two two
00:49:41
things that are the arguments that he
00:49:43
uses to say,
00:49:45
look, we must, we Well, we
00:49:48
must pull ourselves together and be
00:49:51
self-sufficient in ensuring our
00:49:53
strategic security so that it
00:49:55
is not critical from the sea. he sees
00:49:58
it so that Europe should increase the
00:50:01
production of weapons on its
00:50:02
territory for its needs,
00:50:06
where possible, to get rid of
00:50:07
dependence on the States from American
00:50:10
manufacturers, he believes that it is necessary to
00:50:13
build more military-industrial complex enterprises
00:50:18
on the territory of the European Union, as it were,
00:50:21
he advocates that in The European
00:50:23
Union had a single, well, more or less skordi
00:50:27
policy in the field of security and
00:50:28
defense of which. While there is no need for this, it is
00:50:30
necessary to appoint a European Commissioner, well, this is the
00:50:32
High Representative for
00:50:34
Defense, or come up with some other
00:50:36
format, of course. It would be desirable for France to
00:50:38
be a leader there, for example, so that a quota
00:50:40
for
00:50:43
I don’t know about this representative for France, for example, or Well,
00:50:46
somehow the
00:50:48
creation should ideally lead to Well,
00:50:51
if we are already moving towards EU integration, that is,
00:50:53
precisely towards integration,
00:50:55
expansion of a single European army, that
00:50:58
is, an EU army, he was criticized for the fact that
00:51:01
Well, some opponents of this idea
00:51:03
believe that this is supposedly a duplication of
00:51:05
NATO functions. Why do we need a European army
00:51:07
if there is NATO, but he considers this an
00:51:09
American project, but we need a purely
00:51:11
European one where there will be no Americans,
00:51:13
again. This is not his idea. This is the idea of ​​Charles
00:51:15
de Gaulle, which he is now reproducing
00:51:17
and he believes in it. Apparently, this is how it
00:51:19
should be, that is, well, this is what it’s
00:51:22
all called, all
00:51:25
this and much more, he puts it into the
00:51:29
concept of strategic autonomy of
00:51:31
Europe. This is the idea that France
00:51:33
most actively promotes, that is,
00:51:35
they consider the autonomy of Europe what is necessary for Europe to
00:51:38
be, I say, a separate pole of
00:51:40
influence separate from Russia, China, the United States,
00:51:44
including, that is, yes, this is the West, but we
00:51:48
must, as it were, well, these are
00:51:50
approximately his arguments for us, I
00:51:53
will say that it is beneficial, that is, it benefits us
00:51:56
so that Europe became stronger Well,
00:51:59
subjectively independent yes That is, how
00:52:00
paradoxical it is because
00:52:02
many can say there In the sense that it is
00:52:04
beneficial for us that Europe gets untied
00:52:10
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00:52:25
they don’t change often, that is, I do
00:52:28
n’t know, for example, We can
00:52:29
predict there that Trump will come What
00:52:31
if he selects a team
00:52:34
for which it will be that the
00:52:35
idea is to fix China and not Russia Well, that
00:52:39
could be Well, people will come who are there
00:52:41
for them, for example, Russia will be the lesser
00:52:42
evil and they will say listen We need
00:52:44
China Let's work with Russia quickly
00:52:45
Let's agree, let's close this issue and let's go,
00:52:47
as it were, to restrain China. Well, this is
00:52:50
quite real, this is a very real
00:52:53
scenario, and in such a scenario, of course, well,
00:52:55
as it were. We see that the states can
00:53:00
stop paying attention to the
00:53:03
European direction a little, in this regard, it is
00:53:05
beneficial for us to have the strategic autonomy of the
00:53:07
EU took place, especially since we are going there. Yes,
00:53:10
we are going to a strong EU. We don’t need
00:53:12
a lax, disorganized EU
00:53:14
that cannot coordinate its
00:53:16
security policy, which
00:53:18
is a priority for us now.
00:53:20
Otherwise, why are we going there to
00:53:23
increase quotas for trade? Well, this is
00:53:26
very funny, well, I’m right. Well, that
00:53:28
is, I just understand that if we already have to
00:53:30
go solve some strategic
00:53:31
task of unity for the world, it’s 100%
00:53:35
for Europe, so 100% it was solved for them in
00:53:38
principle without us and they would like it
00:53:42
without us, decide to continue as if
00:53:43
a little better all the time, that’s why
00:53:46
everything we can do there is definitely
00:53:49
not about
00:53:50
grain. Yes, an important question, I’m trying to
00:53:53
figure it out. Maybe you ask me more. But
00:53:57
still, it’s said that the
00:53:59
French military-industrial complex is
00:54:02
large-scale he produces a lot He has
00:54:05
great ambitions related to
00:54:08
competition in all markets, as it were, where
00:54:11
he sells his
00:54:13
products, he is quite influential, this
00:54:16
military-industrial complex on the French processes What they say is he is
00:54:19
represented in various
00:54:22
political forces and so on, but at the same
00:54:23
time all these political forces th Anti
00:54:27
are anti-
00:54:30
macron of sending troops and so on Although
00:54:33
the military-industrial complex is profitable until now it is profitable but
00:54:36
politically No, you understand that
00:54:38
politicians They don’t think only in terms of the
00:54:39
interests of the military-industrial complex Okay But this is
00:54:42
the key The key industry
00:54:44
regarding threats and relate, well, it is
00:54:49
so it’s clear that they can think
00:54:50
differently. Let’s try to take out this wrong side of
00:54:54
how they all think, what happens is that
00:54:57
the military-industrial complex is beneficial to the military-industrial complex, which is very
00:55:04
influential from this idea of ​​​​the militarization of
00:55:07
France and macron’s belligerence, look
00:55:10
here we need to separate it very well, like the
00:55:15
first. This is how you and we
00:55:17
exist myth, look, we have a
00:55:19
myth that is connected with the fact that the military-industrial complex in general is
00:55:23
like a group of
00:55:24
military-industrial complex gunsmiths, as we sometimes
00:55:26
call them especially in the context of the States, that
00:55:30
this is like a group of the Illuminati
00:55:32
who, behind the scenes, manage everyone.
00:55:35
That is, their opinion is always taken into account with their opinion.
00:55:38
I say No, this is not so because,
00:55:41
well, yes, their opinion is taken into account
00:55:44
because these are large companies that
00:55:47
give money to the budget to the treasury, especially
00:55:49
when you have weapons, this is one of the
00:55:52
key export items, it’s clear, but here,
00:55:56
well, we would ignore the fact that
00:55:59
politicians They are they think not only
00:56:02
in terms of the interests of individual
00:56:04
companies or large corporations. If
00:56:05
this were the case, if France
00:56:08
paid attention.
00:56:10
They
00:56:11
would have provoked wars everywhere long ago, just to
00:56:13
export weapons there; they do
00:56:15
n’t do that, plus there are different
00:56:19
options. How to make money from the
00:56:21
production of weapons for this it is not
00:56:22
necessary to start world wars there are
00:56:26
French companies French
00:56:27
companies grew up there not so much on
00:56:29
warriors but precisely on the fact that they have a
00:56:31
lot of clients in Europe, that is, they
00:56:34
service rearmament Well,
00:56:37
including the rearmament process, now
00:56:39
they are making money billions of dollars Well, not
00:56:42
in the war in Ukraine, come on, nothing is
00:56:43
working out since the war in Ukraine Well, it’s
00:56:45
all like they have them if
00:56:47
the Government compensates them, that’s cool, but in general they do
00:56:49
n’t produce much for us now, that
00:56:51
is, they are now giving them orders for that
00:56:53
for example, to compensate for losses
00:56:55
or to
00:56:57
re-equip the European armies that
00:56:58
gave us the old ones, but in general their main
00:57:01
clientele is now in the Middle East.
00:57:03
Why Because Saudi Arabia, the
00:57:06
Emirates of Bahrain, Qatar, they have
00:57:09
money, they can afford to throw away
00:57:12
billions of dollars on a purchase. I don’t know how to
00:57:14
take it. buy 40 helicopters just, well, you
00:57:17
know, we can’t afford it, they
00:57:19
can afford it, they can afford it, and
00:57:22
they get it because they win it from
00:57:25
them, as if they want it, well, that is, that’s how it is, as if this is the
00:57:30
situation now That’s it yes, they can
00:57:32
earn money from this politicians. They
00:57:34
think, including relying on
00:57:37
public opinion, because the main
00:57:39
interest of a politician is not to please
00:57:40
some company. Well, not always, at
00:57:42
least, but to re-elect to retain
00:57:46
power. And this is not always achieved by
00:57:48
being there you will do a favor for some
00:57:50
company to promote some issue. Yes,
00:57:52
it is clear that lobbying always exists
00:57:55
in politics, for example, we have
00:57:58
oligarchs, for example, in our case it
00:58:00
resulted in the form of an oligarchy, which
00:58:01
actually ruled the country; France also
00:58:04
has its own oligarchs. Yes, there they influence
00:58:06
political Well, on individual
00:58:09
politicians being very rich people
00:58:11
Well, it’s understandable because
00:58:13
they give you the opportunity to kind of influence
00:58:15
in the States, the same thing, but it’s not always straight,
00:58:18
they don’t always dominate all
00:58:20
decisions,
00:58:21
so I think the
00:58:25
idea itself is European, buy it of course,
00:58:28
it is beneficial to French
00:58:30
arms manufacturers because they will receive the
00:58:32
most orders. Well, they are one of those who
00:58:34
will receive the most orders, and
00:58:37
uh, but in this regard, they are competitors with the
00:58:40
Americans, that’s a plus. You have to understand
00:58:43
that some production facilities are
00:58:45
scattered uh between states France
00:58:48
Germany that is, several countries are
00:58:50
involved there in assembling some kind of
00:58:52
weapons systems uh Well, how to
00:58:55
separate them is quite problematic, that’s why
00:58:57
Well, I think that in
00:59:00
general the history of the strategic
00:59:02
autonomy of Europe, that is, the construction of a
00:59:04
European army Yes, it is almost profitable
00:59:07
for all arms companies, why not,
00:59:09
that is, they will simply get more
00:59:11
opportunities, more orders That is,
00:59:14
well, as if I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s difficult for me to
00:59:17
assess To what extent they are directly
00:59:19
in charge of this issue, but uh Probably they
00:59:23
Well, they would support it Well, that’s logical
00:59:25
support
00:59:26
rather Yeah Well, at least in
00:59:29
France the politicians are clear, but well, here
00:59:32
I’m saying there’s even a difference. Yes, there is an
00:59:34
interest of purely arms companies. And there is
00:59:36
public opinion that is against the
00:59:38
direct involvement of France in the war and that’s all.
00:59:41
Well, here, as it were, politicians would rather be in favor of the
00:59:43
latter pay attention because they
00:59:45
understand that Well, well, well, well, how would I
00:59:50
do something there I don’t know We
00:59:53
will participate in the war if only these
00:59:54
are
00:59:56
satisfied, but at the same time Tomorrow we will be
00:59:58
demolished The population will not vote for us
01:00:00
We will simply lose power and all these
01:00:02
agreements will simply disappear.
01:00:04
Therefore, yes. Therefore, people Yes, political
01:00:08
parties are against direct involvement in
01:00:10
the war because of the risks due to people’s rejection,
01:00:14
but at the same time, I’m almost sure that in general the
01:00:17
very idea of ​​​​rearmament of France and the whole of
01:00:19
Europe to strengthen security,
01:00:21
of course, is found here there is a consensus
01:00:24
of everyone That’s why I think Maron began
01:00:27
to back down a little Here’s
01:00:28
his next statement, he says, well, as if I
01:00:30
wouldn’t initiate this, he somehow
01:00:33
said that I, that is, he, he already started, his
01:00:35
representatives began to talk a little about
01:00:37
what Well, it’s clear that we’re not talking about
01:00:39
involving France in the war,
01:00:40
but about training and training of Ukrainian troops,
01:00:43
well, that’s another question here, as
01:00:45
if here, in principle, people shouldn’t
01:00:48
be particularly
01:00:49
against it because this is not a direct
01:00:51
involvement of
01:00:54
China in the war, say a little - a little in the entire
01:00:58
French history because, well,
01:01:00
because firstly, immediately after this
01:01:03
strong position of the macron flies to China Oh
01:01:06
flies to France in
01:01:07
Paris Sin The leader of China flies to Paris to the
01:01:10
leader macron the leader of the European Union macron
01:01:14
Yes, who suddenly, as they say, macron
01:01:17
Became a macron 2 :0 here
01:01:19
comes the question: What could China want in this
01:01:23
story
01:01:24
and can, relatively speaking, tear
01:01:28
France away from these
01:01:30
plans? I’ve heard this opinion,
01:01:34
it’s probably very popular that China and the USA are
01:01:36
waging a proxy war. And in this case,
01:01:40
Russia is
01:01:42
China’s proxy which rams, relatively
01:01:45
speaking, the European Union and Ukraine as if
01:01:48
as a proxy from the United
01:01:51
States, the question is: Where in this simple
01:01:54
coordinate system of France,
01:01:56
how does it see itself in this story, does
01:01:59
France want to be a proxy of the United States in this case?
01:02:02
Clearly, no. How
01:02:06
would France behave in such a strange way in
01:02:09
such a situation? kneading And what can
01:02:11
the French, like Germany, count on in your opinion?
01:02:13
They have been advocating for many years to
01:02:16
develop their relations with China
01:02:19
as
01:02:21
less confrontational than the United States from the European Union, that
01:02:25
is, they advocated that China is a
01:02:29
strategic trade and economic
01:02:31
partner with which it is necessary to conduct business,
01:02:35
which is necessary and Yes, it’s
01:02:38
politically there. It’s a different system, a different
01:02:41
society, but ok,
01:02:43
uh, that is, they
01:02:46
initially didn’t really want to actively restrain China in Europe
01:02:49
because, again, for them, like Russia, there
01:02:50
was an approach that was very similar to
01:02:52
Russia, that it’s like, well, like resources,
01:02:55
it’s a market, and so on, we
01:02:58
need it now, in principle, the situation has
01:03:01
changed little. The only thing is
01:03:03
that it’s
01:03:05
beneficial for France to speak on behalf of Europe with
01:03:09
China, Macron believes that he is the same,
01:03:14
as if he has the will and
01:03:19
has
01:03:21
the opportunity to be the main communicator
01:03:23
with China from the EU because he has the
01:03:26
best relationship with Xi Jin Ping Uh-huh Well,
01:03:29
as he thinks, last year he was
01:03:32
received very well in Beijing, really very
01:03:35
well there is a red carpet and there, well, that
01:03:38
is, there is a full program for him
01:03:39
they paid full attention,
01:03:41
very much, there was a big contrast with
01:03:43
Ursula NY, who also came there
01:03:45
right away, they didn’t pay attention to her, that
01:03:48
is, the Chinese made it clear that they
01:03:50
understood this, they heard these signals and
01:03:52
how did he start relations with
01:03:56
Macron and France separately, to have
01:03:59
Well, not an ally, because well,
01:04:01
they will never become allies, but an understanding
01:04:04
partner, that is, with whom you can
01:04:06
talk more Pragmatically, so that the
01:04:10
Europeans there do not touch China too much;
01:04:12
Chinese interests do not impose sanctions
01:04:14
against Chinese
01:04:16
companies; and China believes that
01:04:19
it is possible to communicate through France with Europe
01:04:21
regarding a possible restart of the
01:04:23
negotiation process on Ukraine Niva
01:04:26
Well, this is the Chinese, let’s
01:04:28
start the negotiations, freeze and that’s it,
01:04:33
the Chinese Well, they work through Europe
01:04:35
Because they won’t agree with the states
01:04:37
And everyone already
01:04:39
understands all this, plus in the States elections make sense
01:04:43
Now it’s like there’s some kind of demand from
01:04:45
the States to come to any
01:04:47
agreements, because it’s not clear
01:04:48
what will happen in November, but with Europe it’s possible,
01:04:51
plus the Chinese know that the Europeans
01:04:53
take a slightly different position on the war,
01:04:56
that is, they are more cautious
01:04:59
Well, France, too, is ready
01:05:02
to consider the
01:05:03
option of negotiations. What Macron also
01:05:06
said. This is what he gave to ours in an interview
01:05:09
where he said that if Putin calls,
01:05:12
of course I’ll pick up the phone, listen to his
01:05:14
proposal and see. Well, that is, as if
01:05:15
in spite of everything, he left here
01:05:18
these doors are open, what if something happens,
01:05:20
I’m ready to engage in diplomacy And I think
01:05:23
that the Chinese will talk with
01:05:25
France So let’s say,
01:05:27
Maybe you will influence your
01:05:29
European colleagues to persuade them
01:05:32
to the need to restart the
01:05:34
negotiation process on Ukraine and then
01:05:37
China will participate in this
01:05:39
Because right now the issue of
01:05:40
organizing this peace summit in
01:05:42
Switzerland is still being decided, which we want to organize
01:05:44
and invite China there and the Chinese have already
01:05:47
given a signal that they seem to be able to
01:05:49
take part in it at the level of leaders;
01:05:51
this is where to gather the heads of state That
01:05:53
is, Sedin Pin can go like this.
01:05:56
In this regard, China sees
01:05:58
France as a situational partner in Europe
01:06:01
who is ready to listen to them and is ready for a
01:06:03
constructive partnership, unlike
01:06:05
Germany, which they now consider
01:06:08
too much of a country that has made too
01:06:10
much of a tilt towards the States, well, with
01:06:12
Britain is all the more clear that
01:06:14
China has a complicated relationship with Britain Uh-huh, is this
01:06:18
all or can China set itself other
01:06:22
more ambitious goals, such as completely
01:06:26
changing the position of France with some
01:06:29
goodies? Well, ideally, ideally Yes, in an
01:06:32
ideal picture of the world, from the point of view of
01:06:34
Chinese interests this is generally to tear
01:06:36
Europe away from the States. Uh-huh, that is, in this
01:06:40
regard, China should support the idea of
01:06:43
strategic autonomy of France
01:06:45
because, as if in their logic, if Europe is
01:06:50
independent and does not depend so much
01:06:53
on the States, they can do business with it, that is,
01:06:56
here China solves two problems For
01:06:58
themselves, the first task is to build their
01:07:00
relations with Europe without regard to the states.
01:07:02
Uh-huh, that is, more pragmatic and more
01:07:05
Business As usual. Well, that is, they are not such
01:07:08
ideologists as they think the
01:07:10
Americans are and the second task is
01:07:13
to break up this anti-Thai
01:07:15
potential coalition then there is, well,
01:07:17
because the Chinese believe that if Europe and
01:07:18
the states are not so strongly integrated,
01:07:20
then it will be more difficult for the United States to
01:07:23
convince the Europeans, for example,
01:07:24
to join the Anti-Chinese sanctions.
01:07:26
Uh-huh, and this means that China, well, against
01:07:30
China, there will not be a united front of
01:07:32
sanctions from the entire Western world. there
01:07:33
will always be some kind of entry points
01:07:35
France, I don’t know there, Portugal,
01:07:37
some other country due to the fact that Europe
01:07:40
will be like
01:07:43
self-sufficiency, the Chinese believe that
01:07:45
in principle it’s probably somewhere, so
01:07:48
the less Europe depends on the
01:07:50
States, the more there will be
01:07:52
space for her to formulate her own policy in
01:07:54
relation to which, perhaps, it will not be
01:07:56
so confrontational, that is, this is
01:07:59
such a strategic
01:08:00
ideal picture that they see, as it
01:08:03
seems to me, this is how it should be
01:08:04
beneficial in this regard, what
01:08:07
macron is promoting in terms of strategic autonomy is, that
01:08:09
is, geopolitical it suits
01:08:12
China, it is clear that the rearmament of Europe
01:08:15
there is against Russia. Well, somewhere it may
01:08:18
attack the interests of the Chinese in the
01:08:20
sense that the West is becoming stronger,
01:08:22
but it seems to me that the geostrategic
01:08:24
calculation is more profitable. Well, in the long
01:08:27
term, Europe is more independent
01:08:29
with it. It’s easier to come to an agreement than Europe under the
01:08:33
states which there will be looking back
01:08:35
at their position on China all the time Well, that’s how
01:08:41
Ilya has it Thank you for nothing, it seems to me that
01:08:45
we made such a cool broadcast together
01:08:48
cool content I will have all the questions about France
01:08:52
that were relevant at least
01:08:54
at the moment we talked
01:08:57
more broadcasts on this issue Well, I
01:09:01
think that we need to take a closer look at France
01:09:03
as seriously as possible. And there, it
01:09:06
turns out that the key country is becoming a
01:09:09
point of view. Well, as if with the
01:09:10
actualization of what is
01:09:12
happening there, that’s very important for us,
01:09:15
so we look at France next.
01:09:18
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