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writer and teacher Dmitry Bykov00:00:59
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Dmitry Lvovich I am glad to welcome you00:01:05
Hello and I am you Hello everyone00:01:08
Hello Stas Dmitry Lvovich How do you00:01:10
feel about such historical00:01:12
construction, if there is a sufficient00:01:15
amount of input data, in principle, this is00:01:18
how the installation is00:01:21
Well, Alternative history is one of the00:01:24
main areas of my interests, just00:01:26
see, I understand what you are hinting at, we00:01:30
are meeting on the eve of00:01:32
Victory Day, our meeting00:01:35
is published goes on air When00:01:38
the parade has already passed When everything has already happened00:01:42
when mobilization has already been announced or not announced00:01:44
So I wouldn’t undertake to talk about the00:01:48
historical00:01:50
near future I can’t00:01:52
say why I once00:01:57
very accurately said the analogies are00:02:00
really over The time for historical00:02:02
analogies in modern Russia is00:02:05
over She came out from the area of00:02:07
predictability, and if not about designs00:02:10
but about expectations, the patriarch said Russia has00:02:14
never attacked anyone, Putin00:02:17
obviously also on this nine May day00:02:20
will come out with some new revelation and00:02:24
we still don’t know about what was said great,00:02:27
obviously Great, but to assume00:02:29
despise how- then apparently we can go into the future00:02:32
Dmitry I think I’ve00:02:35
always really liked it, we’ve already00:02:38
seen everything that we could mean they say00:02:41
frankly this is not a new concept that00:02:45
Russia never attacked And if she00:02:48
happened to start The first thing is that she was driven00:02:51
into such circumstances they left me with00:02:54
a choice they surrounded us00:02:56
they surrounded us we were created such00:02:59
geopolitical conditions that we needed00:03:01
access to the sea Russia does not attack That00:03:05
is, if it starts from the first, if00:03:07
it defends itself, and I read00:03:10
some adherents here,00:03:12
they have a00:03:15
very interesting look at things, the main00:03:18
sin of Ukraine in general, the main sin of everyone00:03:21
who opposes us is this the fact that they00:03:24
resist, if the Russians come to you, you00:03:27
need to immediately give everything up and crawl to a00:03:30
safe distance, then maybe00:03:33
they will save your cheap life. This is how00:03:36
it looks as presented by the most00:03:38
outspoken Patriots, that is, we are not00:03:42
attacking, we are coming to take what is ours. Well,00:03:45
Russia is starting a war. they are finished by00:03:48
one of the concepts on February 24, we came to00:03:52
pick up ours And what is ours,00:03:55
remember everything Putin said that the00:03:58
Russian border ends nowhere and who gave it to us00:04:01
God and God is a term that is not00:04:05
discussed, it takes the situation00:04:08
beyond the limit of functional discussion therefore,00:04:11
in all likelihood, under Putin00:04:15
looking at things we really don’t00:04:18
capture we are returning our symbolism00:04:23
Z in your opinion this is a propaganda mistake00:04:25
because it’s some kind of clumsy00:04:27
design But these angular shapes what And00:04:31
what in Z who came up with this in general in my00:04:34
opinion it was invented by00:04:37
Vladimir’s Agent embedded in the Russian government00:04:39
Zelensky I have already talked about this many times,00:04:40
yes, the two00:04:42
main symbols of the special operation are the00:04:46
initials of the Ukrainian leader someday00:04:49
later, when this ideologist was taken out and00:04:52
Gaga will be interrogated, he will say it was a00:04:55
way of visual meditation on the00:04:57
President of Ukraine.00:04:59
Why, however, having00:05:03
found himself in a certain comic part of the situation,00:05:06
they chose this grandmother with a red flag00:05:10
and not the blond Ukrainian beast who00:05:14
joyfully greets the liberators. After all,00:05:18
if this is a propaganda construct, then it does00:05:21
n’t matter whether it’s a grandmother or a cheerful00:05:24
girl,00:05:27
first of all, this grandmother already first to Ivan00:05:30
Ivanova Already found problems00:05:35
and now God is acting right now00:05:39
who- then he wrote, we observe that Cleo00:05:41
sat up from her chair, writes, and the current00:05:45
situation is extremely frank,00:05:48
outright lies, monstrously mediocre in the00:05:52
absolute poverty of ideology and of course in the00:05:56
frankness of the symbols. You see, these00:05:59
Zs that are so reminiscent of Lightning, I won’t say00:06:02
on whose uniforms00:06:05
Well, and most importantly, this is old age as the00:06:11
main metaphor, the state of the country is00:06:15
not by chance juxtaposed with this symbol of00:06:18
Ukraine, a great Ukrainian beauty00:06:22
who in a yellow-blocked dress walks00:06:26
across a bloody field and on the other00:06:29
hand, this woman in heavy00:06:32
boots or felt boots of some kind of00:06:35
incomprehensible spirit and00:06:38
with a red flag with the flag of a disappeared00:06:41
state is herself black Well,00:06:44
someone correctly said that this is a symbol of00:06:46
death, or at least decrepitude,00:06:50
this decrepitude is now very felt in Russia00:06:53
in everything and, above all, in the00:06:55
fact that Russia has been going for a long time. Like an00:06:59
old man who grumbles at the young,00:07:01
senile00:07:03
personal dissatisfaction, senile00:07:06
confidence in his unique they are right, they are00:07:09
not against everyone else,00:07:11
senile people have such painful dreams,00:07:15
this is very consistent with the current level of a00:07:18
decrepit and generally barely breathing empire00:07:22
because all the young are being forced out00:07:24
because Russia is not a country for the young at all,00:07:27
it is a country for retired stars00:07:29
for Steven Seagal there, I don’t know for00:07:32
whose people The finest hour has long passed and of00:07:35
course it is very sad to see that the00:07:38
young are being forced out of the country and Seoul we are00:07:40
becoming old people. This does not mean that I do not00:07:42
respect Old Age. It just means that from the00:07:45
many possible symbols00:07:47
of the special operation,00:07:50
this woman was chosen, dressed as00:07:53
beggars, from the flag of a00:07:56
dead state, she should to evoke00:08:00
compassion, burning compassion But somehow, to be honest,00:08:06
it doesn’t evoke a desire to join her. But this00:08:09
grumbling is old age, does it have00:08:12
projections in the person of a specific person, or is it still a00:08:15
broader kind of00:08:17
projection, projections from the state to00:08:19
the situation,00:08:27
the special services are always guarding the00:08:29
past The main task of any intelligence services00:08:33
all over the world is to stop the movement of00:08:35
time; this is conservation; all intelligence services00:08:39
are hunting for some signs of the future00:08:42
because the future is coming and it is coming00:08:46
upon us;00:08:48
intelligence services are, according to the Strugatskys, a00:08:51
homeostatic universe that00:08:53
does everything possible to00:08:56
somehow prevent it canceled Vladimir Putin00:08:59
as a representative of the special services, he was00:09:01
always a conservative, this is obvious. But00:09:05
recently he is also a gerontocrat00:09:07
because he grew old along with00:09:09
his colleagues.00:09:10
But what’s interesting is that they don’t offer their00:09:14
old man’s utopia to raise a new00:09:17
generation of their children00:09:20
because they did00:09:23
n’t succeed one00:09:24
monarchy, this wonderful one, cannot00:09:28
be preserved by the next generation with its00:09:32
tenacity, so to speak, tenacity, the00:09:34
presence of power of one clan for too long00:09:37
inevitably leads to degeneration,00:09:41
which we see very well in North Korea.00:09:43
This happens because there is00:09:46
no fresh blood. And in general, conservation is not00:09:49
fruitful, you understand, you can’t endlessly00:09:53
preserve memory preserve00:09:56
fear of the future sooner or later you00:10:00
find yourself in a swamp in which there is,00:10:03
of course, a lot of Swamp gas but00:10:06
nothing else and this is Utopia It00:10:09
was originally an old man’s, because00:10:11
it took 22 years to unfold, and in its00:10:14
scale it revealed itself to the world in its final00:10:17
outlines only now00:10:19
No Well, I think that the00:10:24
conservative part of00:10:26
Putin’s program, namely his00:10:30
Return of the Anthem, condemnation of the 90s from00:10:35
surviving Yeltsin with his00:10:36
turbulence, of course, this00:10:39
was always perceived primarily by the00:10:41
old part of the electorate. In00:10:43
addition, you understand a certain cult00:10:45
of old age that has developed in the country, this is00:10:47
not only some Veterans this is generally00:10:49
a cult of old people, this is due to the fact that00:10:51
old people most willingly vote for00:10:54
stability, they least of all like00:10:56
change. And Putin’s idea himself began to00:11:00
gain a foothold for a long time; horses at the crossing do00:11:02
n’t change everything. That’s true;00:11:06
I’m not a young person myself; I’m 54 years old. And I’m00:11:11
very acute I feel like in me00:11:14
the Thirst for stability is fighting with the thirst for00:11:17
novelty as a writer I want00:11:20
something new to happen And as a layman00:11:23
I have any kind of hanging horror stories00:11:26
By the way, for me, as such a00:11:29
well-behaved person, this has always been00:11:31
extremely inherent, I struggled with it there, I00:11:34
deliberately chose a journalistic profession00:11:37
that involves constant change00:11:39
And so I am a conservative in life And that’s why00:11:43
I understand very well those00:11:46
people00:11:48
who support Putin; they have a00:11:51
fair suspicion that Putin is the00:11:56
last ruler of Russia in its current00:11:58
form, Russia will need a Perestroika00:12:00
so large-scale that compared to 8500:12:04
it’s a pitiful cosmetic, I00:12:06
can’t say what it is the prospects do not00:12:10
cause me a slight trepidation for some reason I00:12:11
wondered what tomorrow00:12:15
God today already on May 9th00:12:20
we will take Putin must say00:12:23
something in scale Well, extremely00:12:26
significant in its understanding with exercises00:12:30
from kindness there about the historical mission00:12:33
something comparable to the Munich speech00:12:36
because the current May 9th is May 9th,00:12:39
even in this old man’s00:12:41
gerontocratic system this is something00:12:44
extremely00:12:46
important you are waiting for. So today’s day The00:12:50
day before what will happen what00:12:53
will it be or will there be general words00:12:55
Yes no of course nothing will happen but it00:12:58
will be Let’s we’ll check00:13:00
the prediction tomorrow, I can explain why, too, you see,00:13:03
he really doesn’t like to depend on00:13:06
expectations, he really likes to deceive expectations00:13:10
and really doesn’t like to do what he’s00:13:13
dictated, everyone is screaming, especially the00:13:16
fascist part of the Spectrum is screaming, they’re screaming, we’re going to announce a00:13:20
mobilization, deliver a nuclear strike, that is, he’s going to00:13:23
do something - it’s very radical and he won’t00:13:26
do it, he will eat Chizhik, he00:13:29
will say again that we are the kindest,00:13:30
the only thing he can do is in00:13:33
what respect he will break through. But this is to00:13:36
arrange a parade of prisoners. I hope that they are in00:13:38
Moscow. But you already know that they are preparing for this00:13:41
in Mariupol. there people00:13:43
will be changed into uniform and chased00:13:46
as captives. Although these will be peaceful00:13:48
citizens in any case, and such00:13:50
a provocation is being prepared, they have already reported that they can00:13:52
break through the bottom in this regard,00:13:55
and then with watering00:13:57
machines they can wash away the vile traces, they really00:14:00
like it, and as for00:14:04
mobilization announcements war or a00:14:08
nuclear strike I think this will happen00:14:11
if something completely unexpected happens00:14:13
out of the blue, you know, on February 24 there00:14:16
was no reason for an attack00:14:18
except one and you can easily tell me that00:14:20
the Olympics ended and there was no longer00:14:24
any excuse to attack Well, Ukraine00:14:26
was not going to attack a superior00:14:29
military in all respects, both territorially and in terms of00:14:32
population, but the Russian Empire, and even00:14:35
concentrated on the border. There were either00:14:38
hundreds or two soldiers ready for action,00:14:41
nothing like that happened,00:14:43
he shocked everyone out of the blue. So00:14:47
now, if God forbid,00:14:49
of course, mobilization a nuclear strike00:14:52
will happen when no one is expecting, for00:14:53
example, on Russian Independence Day, or00:14:56
maybe without any calendar00:14:58
reason, and on the ninth there will be talk of a00:15:02
calendar reason today, yes 9 I don’t00:15:05
know what May 9 means for today’s00:15:07
Russian, who, from the point of view of the00:15:10
sociology of the war period, accepted this war and00:15:14
how did it happen that Putin’s government00:15:16
managed to expropriate this holiday for 20 years00:15:22
in the history of Russia there were two dates and I think00:15:26
that these are two dates not only in the 20th century But00:15:30
in the last 600 years When Russia was00:15:33
unconditionally right and unconditionally00:15:35
majestic May 9 April 12 that’s00:15:38
actually all because all the00:15:41
other dates are in question here and00:15:43
November 7 here and January 9 here and November 4 all00:15:49
these dates are widely discussed And00:15:52
most of them are00:15:53
movable In addition, Pashka is not00:15:57
only a Russian holiday, so even00:16:00
May Day has lost its meaning, only00:16:03
these two cosmonautics remain Victory Day And for00:16:06
some reason, these are the dates When Russia00:16:08
was unconditionally right, there is nothing to00:16:11
say here and, accordingly,00:16:13
Why them00:16:16
because there was nothing else, what else00:16:20
What other indisputable things Can the00:16:24
Putin regime take credit for,00:16:27
while it did not make00:16:30
the life of veterans much easier He did not open any00:16:32
cosmic horizons This purely00:16:34
exploitation But exploitation in general is00:16:37
one of the ideas of the Putin regime, along with00:16:40
conservatism, we will not create a00:16:41
new one. We will use the fact that there are already00:16:44
nuclear weapons, it was not Putin or00:16:47
Putin’s Russia that created the missiles, not Putin, but the00:16:50
sharashka scientists00:16:52
with the participation of Devyataev and with the participation of the00:16:56
bunny Korolev or Tupolev prisoner, this00:17:00
was all done before Putin, not with his hands,00:17:02
Putin’s regime in general, the development of wealth,00:17:06
his opinion of the subsoil, by the way, one of00:17:10
our deepest deposits is precisely the deposits of00:17:13
popular conservatism and some Well,00:17:16
they are some lack of fermentation or00:17:19
half-education,00:17:20
this is also oil, you understand, loyalty lies in00:17:23
very deep layers and00:17:26
outright stupidity, ignorance,00:17:28
lack of experience of being abroad,00:17:31
lack of experience, attached, that's all. The00:17:35
concept itself, the deep people,00:17:38
Surkov invented it, or someone stupider,00:17:40
it’s not clear to me, but for me it’s obvious00:17:43
that the concept of the deep00:17:46
people itself has the same origin as00:17:49
the trade in raw materials this is the exploitation of the00:17:52
depth of the deep deposits. That is why00:17:56
I want to remind you in the novel Thomas of00:17:58
the novel The Magic Mountain, the bearers of00:18:01
conservative ideology are called Nafta, this is00:18:03
oil,00:18:05
but today, in the deposits of this00:18:07
deep folk conservatism,00:18:10
Putin’s operation Putin’s war did00:18:14
n’t strike, didn’t the average00:18:18
person be able to compare for himself00:18:20
where- then there, at that very deep00:18:22
level,00:18:24
the situation that he sees with an understanding00:18:27
that he can have for himself and does not00:18:29
say that no, this is not good, this00:18:33
Sholokhov texts They fought for the00:18:35
Motherland when this borscht Petya is there00:18:37
talking from his pit with the hero00:18:41
Shukshin or This Bykov's hero,00:18:46
only old men are coming back from the battle, who says: Do you00:18:49
know where we are today? It's all in the00:18:52
subcortex; it's all not with us.00:18:56
This is not with us. I want to tell you00:18:59
because it was in the subcortex of another00:19:04
part of the people of the Soviet people.00:19:08
who was already turning into the intelligentsia before our eyes,00:19:11
you know, Soviet00:19:15
war cinema was characterized by an anti-war pass,00:19:19
you named two films, one rather00:19:22
free adaptation of00:19:25
Sholokhov’s unfinished novel, which he either didn’t00:19:28
write or destroyed, and the second film by00:19:31
Leonid Bykov was 75 years old, as far as I remember, that00:19:34
means00:19:36
the problem is what for Soviet war00:19:40
cinema, starting from the incoming world, it00:19:43
was characterized by hatred of war and00:19:45
disgust, and there it00:19:48
was actually written down in the subcortex,00:19:50
but this people, as a result of a kind of00:19:53
genocide of the intelligentsia that took place in the00:19:56
90s, the00:19:59
upper part of society disappeared from the people,00:20:03
it was removed, cut off like a bulldozer and00:20:06
somehow00:20:08
disclassified, she really00:20:09
will transform or qualified, she00:20:12
has turned But if you like, into the marginalized00:20:16
And it came to the surface for us Well, like a00:20:19
bulldozer cuts off the top layer And on the00:20:22
surface came the deep people00:20:24
who, in general, never had any00:20:26
education or worldview,00:20:29
people are00:20:31
semi-educated, adaptive What00:20:33
happened the intelligentsia I don’t know Well here00:20:36
it really is somehow and somehow it00:20:39
partially died out partially left00:20:42
partially went to the market to trade there was no00:20:47
Soviet intelligentsia It was a00:20:50
colossal layer with its own folklore with its00:20:53
own song with its anecdotes,00:20:55
quotes with its dissent Almost00:20:58
universal with its samozdat and there with00:21:01
dates it was all the audience of Taganka and the00:21:03
creative evenings of the Ostankino concert studio, the00:21:06
readers of Semyonov and Pikul Yes, Semyonov and00:21:10
Pikul were geniuses against the backdrop of the current00:21:13
bridge, something happened to them, these00:21:16
people were exterminated and I am one of the00:21:19
last Mohicans of this layer00:21:21
because I grew up in this environment And by the way, I00:21:24
see many of them abroad00:21:26
regularly at their performances But00:21:29
other people came into the world whose rusty00:21:32
said in two generations00:21:35
people who are not today will be born envy00:21:38
hatred enmity will enter the vastness of their00:21:41
fields Yes, it really happened00:21:45
because the advice the intelligentsia were killed,00:21:48
they were killed, I think on purpose, is the00:21:52
current war capable of giving rise to its own00:21:54
honest cinema, its own honest00:21:57
literature, because some kind of reflection00:22:00
will begin sooner or later in any case, and in the00:22:04
sense that it would not be official,00:22:06
but in the sense that it00:22:07
would really be a response to what is happening00:22:12
in Ukraine is wandering with inevitability And00:22:16
in fact, the phenomenon of the LPR gave birth to Ukraine00:22:20
Great cinema is a film by Sergei00:22:22
Losnitsa Donbass00:22:24
is a feature film adaptation of00:22:27
documentary videos filmed on the00:22:31
territory of Lugansk Donetsk00:22:33
documentary They can be seen00:22:36
and this film is an eye socket In my opinion,00:22:38
Great artistic achievement Although00:22:40
extremely ambiguous in consequences00:22:44
But this can be understood that00:22:47
by the way, the phenomenon of00:22:50
Lugansk itself gave birth to a great novel by Sergei00:22:53
Zhadanova rasulgrad Roman back in 2005,00:22:56
as far as I remember Or even earlier, but00:22:58
nothing like00:23:00
the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk over the00:23:03
past 8 years has not roamed those elements, all the00:23:07
questions that are written on this00:23:09
material, but this it’s very bad, it’s completely00:23:12
nowhere and very speculative And pretentious00:23:15
annoyances, I don’t know who they can00:23:17
present Therefore, in Ukraine00:23:22
This war will certainly lead to a00:23:25
colossal outburst of00:23:28
creative energy and already leads And those who00:23:31
hate this war write very strong00:23:34
poems in Italy, for example, Haitlin has taken on an00:23:37
almost00:23:39
religious service, every day of this00:23:43
special operation she writes a poem,00:23:45
such prayers are very strong. In my00:23:47
opinion, these are perhaps the most powerful of00:23:49
what he writes. Kabanov writes in00:23:52
Kiev. Excellent poems. He has a mother in00:23:54
Kherson and a brother. I don’t understand how he00:23:57
manages to write in this state, but00:23:58
writes scroll accordingly Here people00:24:01
who hate war can write00:24:03
wonderful texts that can be generated by00:24:05
people who shout to cut Khokhlov00:24:07
Forgive me, I quote to the tenth generation I00:24:11
think that they just amazingly00:24:13
clearly demonstrate that cannibalistic00:24:16
ideas cannot inspire high00:24:18
art00:24:19
and reflection of guilt is a kind of But that’s early00:24:23
or late Awareness cannot help but come, a00:24:27
reflection of guilt that will be embodied in00:24:30
texts worthy of being considered00:24:33
literature.00:24:36
Here I have to say a dangerous thing, but00:24:39
I had such a poem in the new newspaper00:24:41
Europe that there is no need to put in the pose of a00:24:45
Magdalene on this field we did not give We are00:24:48
very capable hysterical repentance But from00:24:51
this historical repentance of the00:24:53
indiscriminately unreflective stupid00:24:57
comes the same historical00:25:00
centimeter. We really repented of00:25:03
communist sins only in order00:25:06
to00:25:08
Who are Yes, we can generally say00:25:12
the main phenomenon of the 20th century00:25:18
because hysterical repentance00:25:22
followed by an instant transition Yes, we are the00:25:24
worst therefore the most the best This is not the00:25:28
first time we have seen this. I wouldn’t00:25:30
want large-scale repentance on the part of the00:25:33
Russian population, by the way.00:25:36
If necessary, I didn’t00:25:39
take any part in the war, I didn’t take part in running00:25:41
the state, I sat straight and watched and00:25:44
waited for what would happen. Most of Russia00:25:47
took a wait-and-see attitude. five00:25:50
percent went out to protest, five00:25:52
percent made both of them hysterical, and 8000:25:55
or 90 sat there and watched, so00:25:59
I am against such large-scale repentances, if00:26:03
you reflect, then reflect on00:26:06
such a state system00:26:08
that inevitably leads to00:26:11
degeneration because the pyramid at each00:26:14
next level would have been if these were all00:26:17
subordinates read their leader Leonid00:26:20
Leonov, they would have read his Novel of the Pyramid00:26:23
and would have drawn the appropriate conclusions from it.00:26:24
But they don’t understand that the00:26:27
pyramidal structure is degenerating into a00:26:30
suicidal point and if00:26:33
you reflect on what it fixes00:26:35
over centralized management systems, the00:26:38
lack of federalism and00:26:41
self-government in Russia over the police00:26:43
state For example, lately I00:26:46
have been reflecting a lot on the fact00:26:48
that civil responsibility and00:26:51
civil conscience cannot exist among00:26:53
people who have been deprived of the right to00:26:55
self-defense. After all, from the Russian population,00:26:58
at any moment, everything can be taken away from a house,00:27:00
money, status now, and citizenship,00:27:03
everything can be taken away, not only life but00:27:07
the lives of children, property, graves of ancestors are all00:27:11
taken away by the people and maybe if00:27:13
Russia wants to think about something,00:27:16
maybe it should think about some mechanisms of00:27:18
civil self-defense, some00:27:21
mechanisms of inviolability of the home,00:27:24
privacy,00:27:26
maybe the most radical regime was right,00:27:29
which said that if if the NKVD officers were00:27:32
afraid to meet armed resistance, they00:27:35
would not be so easily arrested at night,00:27:37
maybe Civil responsibility00:27:39
begins to work properly in self-defense. But on the00:27:42
other hand, the legalization of weapons in the00:27:44
same private society can also00:27:46
lead to God knows what on these topics, what he00:27:49
certainly thinks about the mechanisms of00:27:51
human protection in Russia, but since00:27:54
no one wants to think about it I would have a00:27:57
big impact from the collective repentance I didn’t expect00:27:59
Dmitry00:28:01
Lvovich I know you when Semenov00:28:03
was mentioned I thought about the film00:28:05
lyoznoy The great film lyoznoy or00:28:09
prepared whether he prepared not00:28:12
ontologically not existentially But at00:28:14
least in such an external contour,00:28:17
aesthetically, this is the reality in which00:28:21
You see, this is the problem. I wrote about this00:28:24
interlocutors in the article. The fact is00:28:28
that the Russian government and the Russian00:28:31
intelligentsia thought very hard00:28:33
about the phenomenon00:28:37
and fascism was always an object for this government,00:28:41
not just of interest.00:28:45
her00:28:46
In a certain sense,00:28:49
aesthetically attractive and not only00:28:53
because it looked beautiful, not00:28:55
only because all the schoolchildren00:28:58
played war, wrote these characteristics on each other, the00:29:00
character is00:29:03
Nordic, and because, first of all,00:29:11
I evoked too many too00:29:14
serious analogies with the Soviet experience,00:29:18
but because the Soviet the system was a00:29:22
response to the same unresolved challenges,00:29:26
as Verintsev wonderfully said, the 20th00:29:29
century compromised the answers but did not resolve00:29:32
the questions. The00:29:33
Soviet government secretly understood that00:29:36
fascism was an archaic response to00:29:40
the onset of modernity. At first, this answer00:29:42
originated in the fourteenth year, then it was00:29:45
realized in 33, the New appeared the00:29:48
generation of modernity that had to be00:29:50
thrown into the furnace of a new world war. The00:29:53
Soviet Union understood that00:29:57
it inevitably did not stop the triumphal march of modernity00:29:59
and that fascism was a reaction to it,00:30:02
so it happened about this Maxim Kanter00:30:05
wrote quite rightly, I do not00:30:07
maintain any relations with him, but00:30:09
his thoughts are many, it seems to me true, he00:30:11
correctly wrote that the Soviet Union 41 4500:30:16
turned out to be00:30:18
the opposition of modernity and it opposed00:30:21
fascism on behalf of the future. This was a00:30:24
very important point of reflection, but00:30:27
unfortunately the Soviet Union became infected and itself00:30:30
very quickly began to slide into intolerant00:30:32
Semitism and the completely cave-like00:30:35
archaism of late Stalin, this is no longer with00:30:39
modernity has nothing in common, therefore,00:30:42
fascism was an00:30:44
eternal point of painful interest and an00:30:48
eternal irresistible temptation for the Soviet Union. By the way,00:30:51
it should be noted that when you00:30:53
fight something, it’s always an infection. That’s why00:30:56
I’m very afraid that00:31:00
today’s moral Victory of Ukraine would00:31:03
end in a national one for Ukraine00:31:05
self-deification and00:31:08
self-aggrandizement, Vladimir Solovyov is not the00:31:10
same as this indecent00:31:12
disgrace Vladimir Solovyov is a thinker, he is00:31:15
Absolutely correct,00:31:17
and he said this, national self-importance00:31:20
is not to the point of national suicide, one00:31:22
step I’m afraid that today another00:31:26
fight with fascism will not lead to00:31:29
infection, fascism, I’m very afraid of this,00:31:31
I’m afraid I’m afraid to talk about it,00:31:34
but my Ukrainian friends will understand me. I’d like to00:31:37
wish Perseverance to my Ukrainian friends. But that’s00:31:40
what’s the matter when you talk about the fact that00:31:45
human resources and other resources were thrown into the furnace of Modernity.00:31:58
the head of one specific person, this is00:32:00
probably a simplification of a model like00:32:03
Putin is crazy, yes. And if we assume that he00:32:07
realized that the time has come to00:32:11
fire up this furnace again,00:32:16
throw the future into the furnace00:32:20
of the past, this is quite obvious00:32:23
because the young generation that grew up00:32:25
today in In Russia, it has all the00:32:28
features of modernity and00:32:31
quick-wittedness and a sufficient degree of00:32:34
resistance to any ideology and00:32:37
Irony and great creative00:32:40
abilities, of course it is the youth that00:32:42
cancels Putin by its very00:32:44
existence. Look at Zelensky,00:32:47
Arrestovich, who is far away, even who in00:32:52
general does not position himself as an00:32:53
intellectual and compare with Putin00:32:56
Recently, someone correctly wrote00:32:58
that Compare the Russian speech,00:33:01
compare the Russian speech of00:33:04
Zelensky, the Russian speech of Putin,00:33:06
Zelensky is a witty,00:33:08
inventive and kind person. We see that he00:33:12
feels that after the Buche he really00:33:14
was not himself, there was no face on him,00:33:17
everyone wrote that he was like an actor portrayed00:33:20
grief if and how the actor portrayed it Very00:33:23
well imbued with a very good actor a00:33:25
strong professional better than Putin00:33:28
GB-Schnik so00:33:30
Compare these people and compare Putin00:33:34
who over the past 20 years not only has not00:33:37
said anything witty and00:33:38
memorable, but nothing except the rudeness of00:33:41
extreme cynicism and lack of education00:33:44
I don’t remember at all the level of quotes from00:33:47
Soviet cinema 70 Well, guys, well, Gaidai00:33:51
Although Gaidai, against the backdrop of the current cinema Sayan,00:33:54
is of course Tarkovsky. Well, what can I00:33:56
say? Of course, this is not an education of00:33:59
ingenuity or intellect;00:34:02
it certainly leads to terrible thoughts00:34:05
that especially talented young people should be00:34:09
thrown into war, but During our00:34:12
unity conversation, Academician Sakharov00:34:14
said to me at the student forum, I asked00:34:17
how to create the most terrible00:34:20
weapon, an idiotic childish question, the purpose of00:34:22
these weapons was to make war00:34:26
unthinkable, we made nuclear war00:34:28
impossible because it is suicide,00:34:31
so at least it seemed to him to00:34:32
really00:34:34
ramp up the fire the furnace of the third world00:34:36
war, most likely thanks to00:34:39
deterrence weapons, it will not work out there is00:34:43
some hope for this I would like to believe in this,00:34:46
friends, but now is the time00:34:48
to like and subscribe to our00:34:51
channel today Our guest Dmitry Bykov00:34:53
writer Dmitry vice-speaker of00:34:55
the State Duma With a great surname00:34:58
but by no means such a Great One called00:35:00
Russian troops on the border with Poland a00:35:02
condition for the operation00:35:09
Why not Belgium Why not And00:35:13
why not reach the Atlantic And why not00:35:15
on the border with England But this can be said, you00:35:18
can do anything you want They for now00:35:20
Let them overcome the borders of the LPR and there00:35:24
we’ll talk, but that’s not even the point,00:35:27
they’ll get to the border00:35:30
well, they’ll burn Ukraine out with a nuclear strike,00:35:33
it’s good to destroy humanity,00:35:37
what will they do in these territories00:35:39
even if they00:35:43
hypothetically survive, what will they00:35:46
do with the conquered land, it’s like00:35:50
all the Ashes are yours Well, good to do What00:35:55
program can you suggest? Please00:35:57
note in Russian literature over the00:35:59
last 80 years 80 after the war there was not00:36:04
a single utopia.00:36:06
Some Soviet utopias in the 30s00:36:10
were still there. Gaidar’s blessings bitten00:36:13
some new utopian scenarios.00:36:16
Today, at least one a00:36:18
fantastic scenario has even been seen The00:36:20
Andromeda Nebula is already taking place in00:36:23
the thirties, an absolutely00:36:26
Russian space This post-00:36:28
evolutionary space cannot00:36:30
offer a single radical utopia to00:36:32
humanity You will00:36:36
reach America You will enter Washington Unload00:36:43
on the squares of New York What will you do next00:36:50
Happiness is what I feel00:36:53
if if there was an opportunity on the00:36:57
territory of00:36:58
certain regions of the Donetsk Lugansk00:37:01
regions of the reduced mouth there was an00:37:04
opportunity to build a utopia Russia00:37:06
helped00:37:07
build all the flags there to visit00:37:10
Bring all the leftists arrange00:37:13
grandiose festivals festivals00:37:15
stars were held there Donetsk Or as00:37:17
it was called where the masterpieces where00:37:21
social harmony was also00:37:23
expressed The Earth from where everyone is fleeing where00:37:27
everyone continues to kill each other, it’s true that00:37:29
now that the Russian world has come there,00:37:32
it has gotten worse in recent years, relatively little has been killed there,00:37:36
but any Death is00:37:39
a tragedy, what the Russian world brought to Ukraine00:37:42
after it squeezed out Donetsk,00:37:45
Lugansk, what great spiritual things00:37:47
happened there and why those being liberated00:37:51
flee there where are they00:37:53
being freed from whom are they being liberated? Why are the vast majority00:37:56
trying to escape to Ukraine; they are in Russia.00:37:58
Let’s think about this. The Russian world00:38:01
certainly has the right to carry its00:38:04
values everywhere if these are values and not just00:38:07
uh, waltz longing for a brilliant00:38:10
past. Well, it’s bitter to look at those00:38:13
values that The Russian world00:38:15
is being extended today to Tolstoy to00:38:17
Solovyov to the sweet couple Keosayan00:38:21
Simonyan to Skabeeva to Sheininovich00:38:25
Just looking at what these people are doing, it is00:38:27
unthinkable to believe that this is happening in the00:38:31
country of Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky, that it00:38:34
has come to this more in the country of Lenin,00:38:37
it is impossible to come to terms with such degeneration00:38:40
and as a geologist, even with such degeneration of00:38:43
murderers it is impossible to come to terms with you understand, yes, the00:38:45
fall of virtue is not Nova inspired00:38:48
to observe how low the threshold has fallen for the parents of00:38:52
at least one impeccable villain But00:38:55
this is not a villain, this is slime00:38:59
Dmitry Lvovich you agree on a utopia00:39:03
about an absent utopia, many people00:39:07
associate it like this somehow with the genre of Russian science fiction,00:39:09
Russian-language00:39:12
fiction has suffered a great loss these days,00:39:14
Sergei Dyachenko has left, and his place00:39:18
in literature apparently remains to be00:39:20
assessed, what kind of00:39:22
place it actually is, on the other hand, you don’t think that Putin00:39:27
will die happy if we00:39:30
operate on the quote from Sergei’s Island the00:39:33
Girl happiness is what00:39:36
any person feels who has coincided with his00:39:38
destiny, in fact, he coincided,00:39:42
no, but you understand00:39:45
then you have to admit that this is a very00:39:49
terrible destiny to act as the00:39:51
gravediggers of Russian statehood, I do00:39:54
n’t call on anyone to show the00:39:56
limits of the degeneration of this00:39:59
statehood, I also don’t wish00:40:01
this on anyone, on the contrary, it’s very bitter00:40:04
feeling he had Excellent chances, he00:40:07
had the opportunity to take advantage of the00:40:09
last hope and such a magnificent00:40:13
unity when he was chosen as an00:40:16
alternative to Primakov Luzhkov, precisely to00:40:19
two evil old men, as a young and00:40:21
mobile leader, he could, uh,00:40:23
stimulate the best quality of the people. He00:40:26
played for the worst, he had great00:40:29
greats. lost, uh,00:40:32
mediocre and wasted opportunities,00:40:34
indeed, the last decades of00:40:36
Russian history were very00:40:41
economically successful for Russia, but they were00:40:43
terrible. In the00:40:46
ideological sense, as if they said00:40:48
ontological existential, as00:40:51
for Marina and Sergei Dyachenko, you know,00:40:53
this is my favorite writer and the00:40:56
most significant of all of Ukraine today In my00:41:00
opinion, they once again proved that00:41:02
science fiction is best written in tandem00:41:04
because the ideology of the co-authors accelerate00:41:07
each other to the speed at which they00:41:09
outgrow their usual level about00:41:11
which the future is visible: the Strugatskys are00:41:13
like the Old Lady Lady Gromov, this is00:41:18
Marina and Seryozha, this is a normal situation00:41:21
for00:41:23
people squeaking even when00:41:26
they worked perfectly in collaboration and the00:41:28
Assumption services themselves were better than the00:41:30
Assumption Lazerchuk Russia, I have hope00:41:33
that Seryozha has been working quite a lot00:41:36
lately, he and Marina managed to00:41:39
come up with a new cycle, a new new series of00:41:42
texts, a new world Yes, there is a world of dwarf00:41:45
giants I hope that Marina will continue to00:41:47
work in this direction, she is an00:41:50
absolutely iron woman with incredible talents,00:41:52
I think that she will be able to implement their common plans.00:41:55
As00:41:57
Boris Natanovich worked alone, the heroic and all my00:41:59
love, all my compassion with Marina, also00:42:02
because this is a person of my generation,00:42:04
very brilliant modernists a00:42:06
strong writer and as for00:42:10
their utopia, here is their Utopia of the eternal00:42:14
island, two work on mistakes00:42:17
and the00:42:18
book is very complex and tragic but00:42:22
the moral is there simply until you00:42:24
transform you will not become anyone Russia is00:42:26
facing a very difficult very00:42:29
painful very traumatic but00:42:33
this transformation inspires hope00:42:37
in a failed transformation, or00:42:40
vice versa, a transformation that happened00:42:42
before our eyes and which00:42:45
is difficult for many to accept, you have an explanation for the willingness00:42:47
of a Russian to pretend to be a fool00:42:50
to claim that a liberation00:42:52
war is underway, that’s where all this comes from.00:42:55
Well, you know,00:42:57
Russian society has always been in00:43:00
politics in the position of a spectator. Russian00:43:03
politics theater is the00:43:04
first row sometimes can take part00:43:08
in such an immersive action, some00:43:10
people go up to the stage, but then they are00:43:12
killed very quickly, but in general there is an00:43:15
ordinary 4-act drama, the00:43:18
Zamora revolution is over, the stagnation is over, everyone is sitting and00:43:21
watching Who is00:43:23
rustling papers, someone in the gallery00:43:28
is giggling And the most important thing is that Once a hundred years the00:43:32
theater collapses00:43:34
it is rebuilt00:43:38
every time the chimney is lower and the smoke is thinner But00:43:43
this does not lead to a change in the main mechanism00:43:46
people do not stop watching they00:43:49
do not begin to participate nothing happens00:43:51
even during the revolution that00:43:55
would fundamentally change the nature of00:43:56
the action therefore modern Russians do00:43:59
not pretend that he is mimicking,00:44:02
he is doing what is expected of him, he is00:44:06
observing some moments, clapping,00:44:08
some whistling, but they don’t sincerely require faith in00:44:12
what is happening. When you00:44:14
watch the play, you understand that this is00:44:17
not Hamlet. But this is Lauren and Olivier. Or00:44:20
let’s say there is a provincial theater in00:44:22
some kind of acid baptism, this is completely00:44:24
different, not the Lorenz of love at all, but in his00:44:27
dressing room there is a bag with sausages or00:44:30
ice cream skin. After that, he will go00:44:32
home, it’s the same story here, no one00:44:35
believes that the actors do00:44:36
you think, who believes the hosts of00:44:40
political talk shows or the participants Yes00:44:43
they call them Klomans, this is Kloman,00:44:47
by the way, this theater is really00:44:49
degenerating more and more into a circus. Klava needs to go to00:44:52
these Klavan Klavanesses, they don’t evoke00:44:55
the desire for empathy on the fact that the00:44:57
deep people are so stupid, that these are the00:45:00
deep people. No, he sits and waits for the00:45:04
next one to ring00:45:06
So after all forgiveness Then00:45:10
bribes are not far to go if they are00:45:12
sincere in their desire to lie and00:45:15
organize this clavianade then Well, Lord, there is00:45:19
no demand from them then,00:45:21
but there simply is00:45:23
Well, when there was a demand for whom the people who00:45:28
carried out the great terror answered for00:45:31
something, some of them were shot00:45:34
when it happened Personnel rotation and00:45:38
the rest were forgiven00:45:40
and shot, as far as I remember under00:45:42
Khrushchev, whom Abakumova Bagirov But this is00:45:46
some insignificant number of people and00:45:48
everyone else is like Khrushchev, whose hands00:45:51
were also covered in blood up to the elbows, they continued to00:45:53
rule peacefully, they didn’t care for anyone00:45:56
that anything could happen to him It was either00:45:58
Kaganovich or Shipilov, who joined him.00:46:01
Yes, no, Lord, a huge00:46:03
number of people in Samara are at the mercy of the crimes of the00:46:06
Stalinist regime, especially ordinary00:46:08
perpetrators. Should we have personal00:46:10
pensions? I assure you that all these00:46:13
today’s propagandists who justify00:46:16
murder will be largely responsible for00:46:18
them in their dachas, writing memoirs It00:46:21
is possible that in Europe and it is possible00:46:24
that their neighbors will look at them with respect.00:46:27
Oh, such nice people, the cat00:46:31
they have is such a complex00:46:35
discussion, the Japanese here decided to00:46:39
join the company for an advertising00:46:41
campaign, by and large. Well, then00:46:43
we should be grateful, thank the00:46:46
auntie and Forgive Well, we00:46:49
should be grateful to the Polish one, of course, if00:46:51
she achieves a ban on my books, this is a00:46:54
significant step for me. Slava, you understand00:46:56
me as they asked How I feel about the00:46:59
attempts to poison him, he said as a00:47:01
state prize in the format in00:47:04
which I am not ashamed to take today True,00:47:06
all the money that they spent it on00:47:08
spying on me on flights for me as my00:47:11
wife. I would have been better off taking it in money. But00:47:13
if that doesn’t suit the prize,00:47:16
you understand, that’s why I went around, I can ask00:47:20
them not to have much time left; but whoever has00:47:25
the short time left to them, I00:47:28
earnestly ask you to ban me from00:47:31
Glukhovsky parfyonny Akunina, I could also00:47:33
name names about which Polish does00:47:35
not know to them, it’s just the impol’s strength of their00:47:38
lack of image00:47:39
Lena, you are not a person, you don’t read books,00:47:42
otherwise you could list 20 3000:47:45
minutes of writers in Russia who do not00:47:48
approve of you, your activities don’t matter at all,00:47:50
we wanted what to do here00:47:52
call for total censorship in Russia as soon as possible00:47:56
Stop handing over00:47:58
Suzhenitsyn Shalamov Dombrovsky to the war and00:48:01
Aksyonov Okudzhav to Vladimir close it all00:48:04
down then at00:48:08
least return to the times when,00:48:11
as you know, for a schoolchild to read00:48:13
War and Peace it was necessary to have a dacha for one night00:48:16
and in a blind car00:48:19
for this practical proposal I thank00:48:22
you for this connection,00:48:25
see you Goodbye00:48:30
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Счастлив ли Путин? Стоит ли запретить книги Быкова, Акунина и Глуховского? Что такое 9 мая в год российского вторжения в Украину? Был ли великим советский военный кинематограф - «Они сражались за родину», «В бой идут одни старики». Писатель и учитель Дмитрий Быков ответил на эти и другие вопросы в интервью программе «Вдох-выдох» на Ходорковский.live. Беседовал Станислав Крючков. 00:00 Начало 00:58 Альтернативная история. Возможно ли сейчас прогнозировать? 04:54 Почему символ происходящего бабушка с красным флагом? 08:03 Проекция государства 10:03 Культ старости 12:07 Речь Путина 9 мая 14:57 Почему власть экспроприировала 9 мая 18:01 «Глубинный народ» и правда 21:46 Возможно ли новое честное кино в России 24:15 Рефлексия вины 27:56 Феномен фашизма в России 31:33 Путин лишил Россию будущего 34:41 У планов России нет будущего 38:53 Умрет ли Путин счастливым? 42:32 Быков о российском обществе 45:01 Можно ли отмолчаться 46:29 Быков о запрете своих книг ============================= Предыдущий выпуск: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUJsy-S1fs ============================= Основной канал: https://www.youtube.com/user/khodorkovskyru ============================= Плейлисты: ► Блог Ходорковского: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7kI1pJUZbs&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl4Grv-wza2qAaE322NcoK0c ► Ответы на вопросы: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGc56bUvs8&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl7VIGZSi0O6vmqGTNKnqb9Y ► Интервью с Ходорковским: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUpN6Si0hGl6NhQa9nhFk3E6bwAgml7yM ► Правозащита: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4WjEvgt0tg&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl7aRDjrl1vICk3jXAjFtNtG ============================= Социальные сети: ► Twitter: http://bit.ly/MBK-Twitter ► Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ► Telegram: https://t.me/khodorkovski ► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ► ВКонтакте: http://bit.ly/MBK-VKontakte =============================
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