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Good evening our dear friends00:00:35
viewers dear subscribers of our channel00:00:37
this is Ksenia Larina's channel Ksenia Larina -00:00:39
It's me today it's Saturday December 16th at00:00:43
Moscow00:00:44
19:4 in Kyiv00:00:47
184 in Jerusalem00:00:50
184 in London and Lisbon in 164 minutes00:00:54
today we have a traditional creative00:00:57
meeting against war Today we have00:01:00
away filmmaker activist00:01:03
film producer00:01:05
director Alexander Rodnyansky00:01:08
Hello Alexander Efimovich00:01:10
Hello, welcome to you Hello00:01:13
Thank you for coming to us, I will repeat it00:01:15
what I wrote on social networks that00:01:17
really by popular demand00:01:19
our viewers very much asked that we00:01:22
met you although I see for sure00:01:25
your viewers also see you in many00:01:28
other broadcasts and this is very correct00:01:30
what do you agree to say00:01:32
comment reply this is very00:01:34
ok, by the way, I’ll say right away that Telegram00:01:37
Rodnyansky's channel is very active00:01:39
so Subscribe link we have00:01:41
here in the description of this video where00:01:43
Alexander Rodnyansky writes everything he00:01:46
feels and understands and thinks about00:01:47
events of both today and yesterday00:01:49
and tomorrow And by the way, also peculiar00:01:52
sums up the year like a person Good00:01:56
knowledgeable about the film industry and I converted00:01:59
pay attention to this list of the best films00:02:01
of the year according to Alexander Rodnyansky00:02:05
this is a very interesting list please note00:02:07
please pay attention to him but maybe00:02:09
maybe we'll talk about this, but I'll start00:02:11
I still want to talk about the main events. This is00:02:15
a war that never stops00:02:18
Russia vs.00:02:19
Ukraine You probably saw it like this00:02:22
called or fragments of the so-called00:02:25
press conference or direct line00:02:27
Vladimir Putin and I have to come to you here00:02:29
Is there any question about this?00:02:32
I have a very disgusting feeling inside00:02:35
anyway, what is this?00:02:37
conference speeches of the winner00:02:40
he always seems to be selling to us00:02:42
some kind of victory00:02:45
essence How much do you think it is00:02:48
Is it true and is there any00:02:51
This is basically the feeling the audience has00:02:53
from different countries of the world that this person00:02:56
can win and00:02:58
Well, look firstly he wins00:03:00
Of course it sells. You're right. It's obvious and00:03:04
sells Not unsuccessfully but he does not sell00:03:07
there with you and not even a spectator in different00:03:10
countries he sells it to Russians from them00:03:13
there is an election campaign going on and let him00:03:16
she's imitation00:03:18
lazy No special00:03:20
some kind of IOC will come or even unrest and with00:03:24
underlined like this I would say habitual00:03:29
imposing00:03:31
status as a slave winner But this00:03:34
it's still an election campaign and it's00:03:36
by the way it's very interesting because she00:03:39
demonstrates how totalitarian regimes00:03:42
in the modern world with ease Accepting00:03:45
rules rules of modern00:03:47
liberal world or Western such00:03:50
democrats are easily beaten00:03:53
in this field this very Western world00:03:55
you want elections, so you think that00:03:58
that's it for now00:04:00
democracy, you'll get real elections00:04:03
elections you say competitive elections00:04:06
Well, they are competitive, so I have them00:04:08
competitors And who By the way, they don’t remember00:04:11
takes these rabbits out of his pockets I remember00:04:14
that there is Yavlinsky there I remember that there is00:04:17
this is some good woman Dontsova00:04:19
there are no words, what kind of competitors they are00:04:23
that's why of course he sells it00:04:26
the winner looks unusually confident00:04:30
and in this sense, his Visit to the Emirates and to00:04:35
Saudi Arabia looked even more00:04:37
triumphant even I would say with these00:04:40
the most fighters00:04:43
who leave behind colorful flowers00:04:46
different colors mean gas jets00:04:49
folded folded into Russian00:04:51
the flag was greeted by the President of the Russian Federation00:04:54
Federation of course he is trying00:04:58
demonstratively00:05:00
hundred on the fact that you wanted war00:05:03
got nothing on the military field00:05:06
achieved it, but now we are on our own00:05:10
truly preparing for war00:05:12
learning to produce what we need00:05:15
quantity00:05:16
tank shells and everything else we can00:05:19
fight this war endlessly until you00:05:22
sit down at the media negotiating table and not00:05:24
agree our00:05:28
conditions wat constantly talk00:05:31
but with a position of strength Although Frankly00:05:34
Speaking of which, I don’t understand about the World Cup, he’s ready00:05:36
probably ready to talk about something00:05:38
but dictate your terms here00:05:41
actually this is his feeling I think00:05:44
period of confusion of the first stage00:05:47
features at that moment00:05:49
when a bad decision was made00:05:52
partial mobilization he proceeded and00:05:55
as far as we all understand from the Russian00:05:57
life the war has disappeared Yes in00:06:01
Moscow living rooms don't talk about war00:06:03
more much more relevant00:06:06
the plots are probably00:06:10
cost of business class flights in00:06:14
Istanbul or Dubai Here's what's next00:06:18
moving to Europe or wherever00:06:20
they want Well, that’s all, perhaps this is not the case00:06:24
means society00:06:28
consolidated00:06:30
Once you have asked, you don’t even have to worry about it00:06:33
about this, what's going on with00:06:35
opposition leaders with Navalny too00:06:37
no one knows does anyone00:06:40
will be surprised at what can happen to him00:06:43
something terrible, no matter how monstrous it is00:06:45
sounds, but no one will be surprised that00:06:48
someone admits something or someone00:06:50
will call for an answer or arise00:06:58
some years ago I will speak in00:07:00
your coordinate system closing Goog00:07:04
the center seemed00:07:05
unthinkable Well, unthinkable events But who00:07:08
decide to close such an important cultural00:07:11
innovative even in a cultural sense00:07:13
center this is such scandals this is what00:07:17
damage to reputation closed normally00:07:20
Today there is a completely different perception00:07:23
absolutely impossible to imagine00:07:25
that there could be a center in Moscow00:07:28
this is another world, this world we are not00:07:30
we know I confess and lost interest00:07:33
completely towards this and not so much about it00:07:35
I'm following, I just wanted to ask00:07:38
you are talking about this, yes Definitely one of00:07:41
the most discussed topics in the Russian language00:07:44
on the Internet over the last week this is00:07:48
story with writers with Dmitry Bykov and00:07:52
with Boris Akunin who fell for00:07:54
this is a joke on the bait of these00:07:56
pranksters said everything they think00:08:00
told the sun what they think. This is important. This is00:08:02
important but important is the reaction what caused it00:08:05
such a trigger for complete cancellation and00:08:07
a ban on pronouncing these names altogether00:08:09
that the publishing house is already refusing00:08:12
publish fulfill your own as I understand it00:08:15
contractual obligations Yes contractual00:08:18
contractual obligations Yes by publication00:08:21
liters refuses to sell books00:08:24
But my question to you is these00:08:28
pranks portrayed the interest of the highest00:08:32
senior management representatives00:08:34
Ukraine to these specific people with00:08:38
The President spoke to Akunin personally00:08:41
Zelensky in quotes Yes with this with00:08:45
I spoke with Dmitry Bykov personally00:08:47
Andrey Ermak I put all this in quotation marks00:08:50
so you understand what it is00:08:52
it's actually a prank I got this idea00:08:55
my first doubt arose, I think how00:08:57
In general, one can generally believe that00:08:59
now in the midst of a terrible war you00:09:02
Now President Zelensky will call00:09:04
via video call and ask those first00:09:07
question Well, how are you doing in general?00:09:09
What are your emotions, that's what it really is00:09:13
in fact, is Ukraine interested today?00:09:16
Ukrainian politicians Ukrainian society00:09:19
Russia, if so, in what context?00:09:24
Well, look, you formulated it like the first one00:09:29
reaction to be honest when I talk about it00:09:31
found out because well I You know I00:09:34
I'll make a reservation, I respect both of them incredibly and uh00:09:39
uh Bori shacha Grigory shacha00:09:43
and naturally Dmitry Lvovich they00:09:46
more talented, deservedly more popular00:09:49
most popular writers Well what are we talking about00:09:51
we say but seriously believe that00:09:54
Ukrainian leaders will call Vot00:09:57
you yourself said at the height of the war And in general00:09:59
after years of what they say in Ukraine in00:10:03
in general about Russian culture, how I feel about00:10:06
society would say that, you understand00:10:09
You are smart people, why do this?00:10:11
buy Well, this is some kind of thing00:10:13
naivety, well, to be honest, even00:10:16
It’s awkward to talk about it, because the question is00:10:19
very simple answer to that you00:10:23
asked the society the society is ready00:10:28
you know there's a bloody war going on with00:10:30
Russia has time to figure out what it is00:10:33
different Russias, there is another Russia, no00:10:37
there is even less desire and no understanding at all00:10:42
no one is missing00:10:44
no one writes to Russian liberals00:10:47
joins in the discussion of what he said00:10:49
other third fourth fifth don't follow00:10:53
they don't listen to interviews for the yvs very much00:10:58
rule00:10:59
Russian bloggers are naturally not00:11:02
listening00:11:04
statements of the largest domestic00:11:06
I mean Russian writers Why00:11:09
to seriously believe that the Ukrainian00:11:11
power is strictly dependent on opinion00:11:15
society, this is a direct Ukrainian connection00:11:18
power is good or bad I'm now but00:11:20
it's a fact she's in it00:11:23
in a sense incredibly different from00:11:25
Russian it depends on what00:11:28
they say, moreover, everyone knows that they00:11:32
measure political decisions attitude00:11:34
to them immediately after their acceptance that00:11:37
they immediately wonder when they are00:11:41
said something, what they said about it00:11:43
thought how they reacted nothing00:11:46
good in00:11:48
understanding of Ukrainian society in that00:11:50
to attract a major Russian00:11:53
there is no writer today And already00:11:56
especially since it didn’t bring anything to the president00:11:59
or a second person in the country to whom00:12:02
is Erma why he can call00:12:05
the president of the country just to00:12:07
this has become a publicly known fact00:12:10
he can't just call Well00:12:12
unless it's to chat, but I admit00:12:16
that for example Vladimir Sach has special00:12:19
relationship with Maxim Galkin they are there 2000:12:22
They have known each other for years. They worked together from00:12:25
one In general business and so on They00:12:29
we could talk, he could somewhere00:12:31
if only there was time to call and ask Well00:12:33
how is it with you I guess I admit But00:12:36
accurately call the largest Russian00:12:39
to the famous writer just like that00:12:42
chat without wanting this00:12:45
the conversation ended up in the press, he can’t A00:12:50
if so then that means it's straight00:12:53
contradicts what I said earlier00:12:56
to Ukrainian attitude towards representatives00:12:59
I don’t discuss Russian culture well00:13:02
is it bad or bad I don't like it very much00:13:04
a lot of things in this regard are natural00:13:06
come from the Soviet Soviet past00:13:10
So I read the main books in Russian00:13:12
language among them there was a huge number00:13:15
prominent Russian or Soviet00:13:17
I can no longer write writers from this00:13:19
refuse I'm a grown boy so well00:13:21
as if, well, I understand that people in Ukraine00:13:24
especially young and completely distant00:13:26
something else worries me today00:13:28
in general, if not culture, they are interested in this00:13:32
so culture as a tool of soft power00:13:35
which, together with the tough force with the army00:13:39
And he’s trying to conquer, destroy, or00:13:43
question existence00:13:45
states of Ukraine, what is it for them?00:13:47
It’s impossible, that’s all why00:13:50
I answer for so long and cunningly00:13:52
simple question that it was obvious Well00:13:55
as if00:13:56
no Well, how can I say this, the situation is not00:14:00
inspiring trust and m Of course it was necessary00:14:03
check first of all who is what about what00:14:05
says Why, given that I’ll repeat myself00:14:08
I respect, I like and I would like them00:14:11
books were also needed in Ukraine00:14:14
they were published there so that they could perform with00:14:16
lectures But this is all in some distant place00:14:19
not today's future definitely not now00:14:21
Let's go, let's do it, I'll take you so far00:14:24
I'll ask what this one is called anyway00:14:27
this episode from the life of Dmitry Bykov and00:14:32
Boris Akunin Grigory Chkhartishvili he00:14:35
showed how goodwill people are00:14:38
I say without any irony from Russians from00:14:41
Russians, how ready they are to provide some kind of00:14:45
support help be helpful In short00:14:47
speaking to Ukrainian society and in this I00:14:49
I just don’t see anything bad, just00:14:52
Hello, here is my question to you in response to yours00:14:54
look at what it could be00:14:57
usefulness I don’t like good Russians but00:14:59
people from Russian citizens00:15:03
who condemn the war who00:15:06
stand against00:15:08
resist and talk about it in what way00:15:10
maybe these people are useful for Ukraine00:15:13
for Ukrainian society, I’ll tell you00:15:16
my deep conviction Yes, that's how I am00:15:19
I answer even less targeted questions00:15:23
because sometimes they ask me here I am00:15:25
recently performed in Berlin00:15:29
would be a question and answer session00:15:32
and one girl, well, there were different languages00:15:36
people, but everything was done in English00:15:38
some wonderful girl said that00:15:40
I'm originally from Nizhny Novgorod00:15:43
graduated from graduate school there and there in00:15:46
I don’t remember anything remarkable00:15:47
I work somewhere at a European university00:15:49
in some wonderful other00:15:52
University Here I am And so many00:15:54
today I hide that I00:15:57
Russian in the language and at the same time I really want00:16:02
help in the country This is what I can do for you00:16:05
look useful what should I00:16:08
do I don't work with Russia00:16:10
I maintain relationships, I don’t go there a lot00:16:13
about 11 years old she said that in your opinion00:16:15
I answered very simply what I think00:16:17
first, don’t be ashamed of your language and00:16:20
cultures they do not belong to Putin they00:16:23
do not belong to his regime they were behind00:16:26
1000 years before him and there will be 1000 years with him00:16:29
in what mode in what territory00:16:31
another question, but it’s definitely not theirs, they’re not00:16:33
privatized they don't manage it And00:16:36
this is not their brand00:16:37
characterization of their brand00:16:39
characteristics is arbitrariness00:16:41
authorities and total corruption and violation00:16:45
all international rules of the stand This is00:16:47
yes, I understand that it has something to do with them00:16:50
what do they say in Russian? They are with the same00:16:51
would be successful in speaking Korean00:16:53
nothing would change they have there00:16:55
friends That's the second thing I told her00:16:59
Be successful because people in00:17:02
Moscow regime I mean the regime specifically00:17:05
really wants you all to fail00:17:07
so that nothing will work out for you00:17:10
Be successful and mind your own business00:17:13
write books00:17:15
teachers of science and art00:17:18
culture, read lectures, whatever you want00:17:21
but Be successful because it will come00:17:23
moment and you will be useful to your country00:17:26
before that you are not revolutionaries, you are00:17:28
don't go to the Barricades, you're studying00:17:30
science and be useful in this way. What00:17:33
What Akunin can do in this case is not00:17:36
Grigorievich tish Vili and Boris Akunin or00:17:38
Dmitry Bykov write his books articles00:17:41
perform because they provide00:17:43
influence on public opinion00:17:45
Believe me, not only Russians read them00:17:48
and many Ukrainians love them too00:17:51
I wrote books when I was told about this00:17:54
a bunch of Ukrainians wrote about the fact that00:17:56
read Bykov's books there read there00:18:01
some completely the whole story00:18:03
States00:18:04
Russian Akunin and so on and so on00:18:07
further this is useful because their voices00:18:10
they are heard like this00:18:13
influence is ultimately also00:18:15
influence is not so much propaganda or00:18:18
journalistic they have an impact00:18:21
just a level Well, what about injections?00:18:24
cultural attitude towards the fact that00:18:26
happens they sun time set the standard00:18:29
they don't let it all fall down00:18:31
already at some absolute bottom00:18:34
they speak in complex ways about a complex world. They00:18:38
call a spade a spade do it00:18:40
talentedly bright in placing current00:18:44
events in the context of a huge human00:18:46
history of uh world history including00:18:48
Russian history I am nothing more00:18:50
I don’t see what’s important, to be honest this is what M00:18:53
This class of intellectuals can00:18:55
do except this only this but this00:18:57
so many00:19:00
friends Thank you very much for your activity00:19:03
I see that the chat is active and there are questions for00:19:05
Alexander Rodnyansky please don't00:19:07
restrain yourself write We are live00:19:09
broadcast this is important so your participation00:19:12
is welcome and not even obligatory00:19:14
forget to like, I say00:19:17
the popular mantra of all video bloggers is00:19:19
this is really a necessity00:19:21
so that we have a full hall so that people00:19:23
came to see us as much as possible00:19:25
more people And of course, signatures00:19:29
our kana Yes, of course, about the boy’s word00:19:33
I will watch the sun while they write How00:19:36
like in the Garou village club00:19:39
Come on, let me ask you this way00:19:42
from you because I also heard from you00:19:47
I heard about this, I didn’t know this fact00:19:49
it turns out they don’t watch this series00:19:53
it’s just in Ukraine, but it’s just that00:19:57
front00:19:58
they sit in the trenches in order to somehow00:20:01
they're distracted by their iPhones00:20:02
they're watching some movie and it's something00:20:05
cinema suddenly became Russian00:20:08
series the word of the guy who caused this00:20:10
frantic interest and resonance both with00:20:15
that side of the front and from00:20:19
other What is the effect in the World Cup phenomenon00:20:24
it's that simple00:20:27
talented snya but such madness I00:20:30
I don’t remember a specific product for a long time00:20:33
say that he's just00:20:35
talented secondly00:20:37
There were very few talented people. If00:20:41
honestly quite a bit and lately it’s been like that00:20:46
there's not enough to say that you can call it00:20:48
but look at the first disclaimer, we don’t know00:20:52
what is the actual number of people in00:20:54
In Ukraine, everyone writes about it, everyone writes about it00:20:58
a huge part of the audience unsubscribed00:21:00
I was indignant and thought that the bloggers themselves00:21:02
this vile series is promoting it00:21:05
he's mean because he's from Russia because00:21:07
what does he offer in the opinion of the great00:21:09
the number of people is usually not00:21:10
who have seen the cult of power That’s simply because00:21:14
that he is Russian, the Russians removed him for00:21:16
Russian state money and00:21:19
so I'll make a reservation, we don't know00:21:22
how popular he is we know that00:21:24
Sarek's theme music is very00:21:28
Ukrainian charts What about the line00:21:30
front then I have comrades who00:21:33
there with whom I am in touch and with my00:21:35
friends from the comrades with whom they are on00:21:37
connections between cinema and cinema and they write00:21:40
And since time arises there00:21:43
naturally the front is like00:21:46
passing it on for such long periods00:21:48
calm then bursts mean like this00:21:51
combat activity as I understand it00:21:53
small specialist and thank God but that00:21:56
no less and therefore00:21:58
during periods of calm, people watch what they have00:22:00
they are there after all00:22:02
everyone has hells VET correspond to00:22:07
connections talk to00:22:09
loved ones and watch what interests them00:22:12
they choose, it’s such an arbitrary choice00:22:14
It's not because someone00:22:15
dictated to the review whether this is exactly what is needed or00:22:18
they connected to some common00:22:21
TV channel00:22:26
Not00:22:28
Why do you want to laugh, comrades?00:22:32
koto00:22:35
front dadada Here is such a thing00:22:40
and naturally the boy’s word arose as00:22:43
such a very loud premiere and people00:22:45
started watching now so to speak00:22:47
Answering your question about the reasons00:22:50
the incredible popularity of yat00:22:52
fantasize when00:22:55
Vote00:22:56
the rise of a genuine conversation about modernity00:23:00
like this kind of hard bright one with00:23:04
complex characters with different00:23:06
human positions with conflict00:23:08
not real, not invented00:23:11
imitation modern stories are not in00:23:14
Russia today cannot have them00:23:16
no one pays attention accordingly00:23:19
the audience turns on historically it00:23:23
switches because there suddenly00:23:25
appears Well, as it were00:23:28
the fragment is not so real alive00:23:31
energetically charged life does not exist00:23:34
today, well, what is modern?00:23:36
cute stories in general, essays00:23:40
Yes Escapism Yes Yes00:23:43
something completely false about today00:23:46
world Well, this is advertising00:23:48
patriotic about the pathetic about the pathetic00:23:51
attempts to repel propaganda00:23:53
I won’t even talk about the agenda there00:23:55
there is nothing, this is schizophrenia under00:23:58
the name of the witness who tried00:24:00
means to tell what Bucha means00:24:03
fake Well she even Even with all the efforts E00:24:07
did not arouse any interest passed with00:24:09
no one came to the empty halls00:24:12
from Cheburashka which turned out to be the most00:24:15
successful Russian film in 30 years00:24:17
his story and ended up on chevrons00:24:20
Russian soldiers Look at them00:24:22
sold this to the question of how much00:24:25
he is far from reality00:24:27
picked up by Propaganda I understand what it is00:24:29
has nothing to do with00:24:31
to the authors of Cheburashka and producers they are so00:24:34
didn’t think about it and probably since they didn’t00:24:36
Zig zeros none of them publicly then00:24:38
most likely this is how it all happens00:24:40
who wanted Zina Zig zeros because it00:24:42
brings00:24:43
benefits and additional ones so to speak00:24:46
opportunities in life are therefore not easy00:24:48
zeros publicly means it’s quiet in the kitchens00:24:51
silently waiting for the end of the war is usually00:24:54
So that means, well, they made it like this00:24:56
successful movie go 22 ml check00:24:58
imagine 22 million tickets sold00:25:00
this is something unimaginable00:25:03
there is in the history of modern this00:25:07
there was no such thing in the new Russia, so00:25:09
now the chevrons mean with Cheburashka and00:25:12
slogans from00:25:13
Cheburashi means there are all enemies there and so00:25:16
further funny to say but this is about how00:25:19
Propaganda is functioning00:25:21
picks up and in its own way Cheburashka has become00:25:24
kind of familiar with this one00:25:29
just by the way, on the straight line00:25:30
lines If you saw the question asked there00:25:33
questions a group of comrades allegedly from00:25:37
fronts of the Russian-Ukrainian front00:25:40
they had chevrons with the image00:25:42
Vladimir Putin is not from the image from00:25:44
image00:25:45
Cheburashki Cheburashka is cuter How about00:25:47
Well, it doesn’t matter to me, well, in short, that’s what I’m saying00:25:51
I say00:25:52
that the modern agenda is not on the screen and00:25:56
Therefore there arises00:25:58
and she's alive and she's alive there You need to be there00:26:01
the audience is already determined by this From00:26:04
you've gotten used to it because you can't00:26:05
can't decide if you like it there00:26:08
you don't like the characters, you separate them00:26:10
you don’t share the position, this is a reason for00:26:11
discussions a reason to connect and00:26:14
empathy for me for example I don't00:26:16
I watched it and that’s why I’m very afraid to judge00:26:18
about the series Without Ending because well00:26:22
Ultimately this is the main decision00:26:24
we will understand what is happening with00:26:27
heroes how it ended and we will understand about00:26:30
series In general about statements Well in00:26:33
fully just it completely00:26:35
having looked, so run in so to speak00:26:38
I won't go ahead, but it's absolutely clear that00:26:41
well, sort of00:26:43
this living living space is saturated00:26:48
emotions with recognizable people00:26:51
recognizable atmosphere00:26:53
life definitely00:26:56
offers Unfortunately such a primitive00:26:59
choice for Russians because with one00:27:01
hand imitation world of such00:27:04
Putin's glamor which is like00:27:06
now the social life has been revived photos00:27:10
Instagram December evenings of all kinds00:27:14
New Year and Christmas holidays00:27:17
everything is fine but on the other hand here00:27:19
Real life turns out like this00:27:22
here is a street macabre It means only in words00:27:26
boy, it seems to me that there is some other00:27:28
there are many segments of life but here00:27:31
this kind of plays a role00:27:33
confrontation is like authenticity00:27:36
against imitation This is the first thing, that is00:27:40
how would they really talk00:27:42
yes, that is, they removed their restrictions00:27:46
really spoke to me personally00:27:48
it was difficult for me to watch this00:27:50
I don't like the characters I would even say00:27:53
everyone overcame disgust00:27:56
since my I am not now it doesn’t say bad00:28:00
about the series This is not honestly mine, I don’t00:28:03
I love this world I have never even been to00:28:05
youth or even more so in childhood with this00:28:08
connected, I probably lived on the streets of Kyiv00:28:11
I'm sure I've heard something like this somewhere00:28:13
and I remember these conversations at school, but I was00:28:16
classic using the language of this00:28:18
series chush panom away from everything00:28:21
this matter And that's why I don't know, well00:28:24
no matter how unpleasant I understand passions00:28:27
parents are the only one who can somehow00:28:30
connect these unfortunate parents00:28:32
these children who suddenly faced00:28:34
reality unknown to them, I believe in this00:28:37
This is what I believe, look at this00:28:40
I mean it’s hard for me but I understand what it is00:28:43
made by Sorry talented people and00:28:47
they are for real00:28:49
so to speak they are trying to build00:28:52
there are so many vector characters I'm somewhere00:28:55
I read someone made a funny joke00:28:58
someone famous forgot about00:29:00
about their future that this is the main one00:29:02
hero Andrey otlichniki the boy who00:29:05
it means it becomes00:29:06
Khodorkovsky No, he’s not Khodorkovsky00:29:09
Putin will be he becomes evil00:29:11
This is how he gets into a gang But T is a dude00:29:13
who is actively doing something successfully00:29:15
the future Khodorkovsky is selling this00:29:18
look there anyway there besides here00:29:20
listen to this, I'm talking to00:29:23
man produced fa and Elena o m you00:29:26
speak00:29:29
I want to tell our viewers that it is impossible00:29:31
watch talented films at the level00:29:33
of the plot, it impoverishes both your perception and00:29:37
you actually00:29:40
you are lying I will add what you said00:29:43
It seems to me that he still hit it very accurately00:29:45
in the mood00:29:47
today this victory of violence00:29:51
violence is the only thing00:29:53
national bond that exists00:29:55
today Of course I think that00:29:58
This is exactly what outraged all the officials00:30:01
all levels of all these employees00:30:04
presidential administration and I see how00:30:07
Andrey Pershin Zhora gooseberries00:30:09
nervous about this this Scream and00:30:13
OKKO endless demands to ban00:30:17
Shoot and imprison, but I'll tell you00:30:19
something else is not for you, or rather, but for our viewers00:30:22
Yes, they don’t watch much of this in Ukraine00:30:25
Ukrainian Ministry of Culture I read00:30:27
I also made a statement, I can even00:30:30
quote the series promotes00:30:33
violence crime and aesthetics inherent00:30:35
to the aggressor country this is pure truth00:30:38
also enemy propaganda existence00:30:40
which in Ukraine during the war00:30:42
is unacceptable But this is it Well00:30:44
look where they ended up? Yes, between the swamp00:30:48
and nakova Well, let's talk about Ukraine00:30:52
I'll say everything here, it just seems to me00:30:54
an unnecessary statement for the reason that00:30:56
speak out against what is not00:30:58
shown in Ukraine not necessarily in00:31:00
Nobody shows the series to Ukraine00:31:02
the guy is watching people either00:31:04
pirate sites or on Russian00:31:06
platforms overcoming V or whatever they are00:31:09
do But definitely not a single Ukrainian00:31:11
TV channel platform00:31:14
the resource does not show this series00:31:17
act accordingly00:31:19
Ministry of Culture and say We00:31:21
condemning is definitely not necessary to express00:31:24
opinion volume00:31:26
what agre Well, you can probably do the same with the same00:31:29
success can be said about anyone00:31:31
Russian film with the same with the same me00:31:34
no one would care about the consequences of these words00:31:37
don't care00:31:38
Therefore, this series is banned in Ukraine00:31:41
they can’t because there’s nothing to prohibit00:31:43
does not exist in Ukraine00:31:46
here's a reminder that this is not good00:31:49
time of war with Russia watch Russian00:31:51
series they can num actually what to do00:31:55
huge00:31:56
quantity00:31:58
generally just ordinary people who00:32:00
feel offended that00:32:03
they are seriously faced with00:32:06
the popularity of this series in Ukraine is not00:32:07
can understand how this happens and what00:32:10
it's nothing just well people something00:32:13
they look and suddenly for them the piece is absolutely00:32:16
So to speak, complete and recognition00:32:18
life and Let's talk about one more thing about00:32:21
Tom I even wrote and spoke00:32:23
repeatedly but there is some00:32:26
the root element of this if you want00:32:28
mentality or code as they say00:32:30
cultural uniting post-Soviet00:32:33
peoples regardless of how much they00:32:35
differ, as it became clear, even in00:32:39
Russian Ukrainians are a different people, that's why I00:32:42
now they emphasize this is not a relationship00:32:45
peoples are kinship of the Soviet past00:32:48
which gave birth to a common mentality00:32:50
naturally this mentality among00:32:52
other things is to confront the authorities00:32:55
mistrust of power no one no one in anything00:32:59
does not believe00:33:01
in general, that is the power that is If you00:33:03
look at the huge amount00:33:06
more successful than films or books are books about00:33:09
singles or groups, which is most likely00:33:12
about such groups opposing or00:33:14
abandoned by stupidity of power recklessness00:33:18
arbitrary power00:33:20
authorities not professionalism not00:33:22
competence00:33:24
authorities in extreme circumstances00:33:26
you did it once, I explained it like this00:33:28
for myself the success of the film to which I had00:33:30
attitude of the Ninth Company, you lose their power00:33:33
the command forgot On high-rise buildings and they00:33:37
protected each other This is the story friend00:33:39
I fight for a friend for a friend for the person next to me00:33:43
for a yard man means a friend for a neighbor00:33:47
staircase00:33:50
at the entrance this is a Thing we understand, clear to everyone00:33:53
together we live equally we share this00:33:56
Means00:33:58
bread of discomfort and misfortune But against00:34:01
these idiots who throw at00:34:04
throwing our lives as if00:34:06
This means some kind of children's toys00:34:10
illusion of brotherhood00:34:12
agree, hell is like in the ninth company it is00:34:15
illusion00:34:16
fraternity Excuse me yes dadada it's everywhere00:34:19
illusion of brotherhood but I'm telling you about00:34:21
another about the fact that this is even conditional00:34:24
the illusory Brotherhood is read as00:34:27
and we experience our kinship with people00:34:31
other people we connect we00:34:33
we understand how life is so good for a comrade00:34:36
give it away is understandable And for the idiotic slogan00:34:39
no one understands I haven't seen any good ones00:34:41
films about heroes dying screaming00:34:43
I am for Stalin00:34:46
I saw many wonderful paintings where00:34:49
people fought for this man next to him00:34:52
a family somewhere behind for living people00:34:55
I understand, but definitely not for Stalin Lenin00:34:58
Brezhnev and Well for the country for00:35:01
country Glory to Ukraine when he says00:35:03
the man before him sweats of power00:35:07
of course they are fighting for their country Ukraine00:35:10
country but a country is a totality00:35:13
feelings Yes, this is the Small Motherland, your home is yours00:35:16
street your village or your city I understand00:35:20
your family your friends yours well yours00:35:24
class school this is the Motherland for sure00:35:27
not Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin in Russia00:35:30
or there relatively speaking00:35:32
number of corrupt politicians per00:35:35
for 30 years in Ukraine Well about00:35:37
Russia in general, they say, accordingly, this is00:35:40
works in the series they have together00:35:42
such a boyish unifying logic But00:35:45
then the story begins about how00:35:48
becoming a tool in the fight against00:35:55
I'm sorry I didn't watch the whole series I didn't00:35:58
I saw the last two episodes, that's for sure00:36:03
I understand that this is not propaganda00:36:05
violence and definitely not any imposition00:36:09
relatively speaking distant coordinate system00:36:13
from a highly moral ethical00:36:16
shared by the vast majority of our00:36:18
listeners without a doubt here No no this00:36:20
that's not how they build complex drama00:36:23
a story about a world from which they are trying00:36:27
get out and obviously drown in it and die00:36:31
these boys their families when00:36:33
faced with helplessness00:36:48
voiceless00:36:50
lines about this series how it will end00:36:53
curious I have my own suggestions00:36:55
but there Yes, I’ll tell you what I watched00:36:59
I understand that I probably decided00:37:02
offense Yes, I watched to the end00:37:05
because well, our viewers know what’s there00:37:09
another one like intrigue in intrigue what00:37:12
reshoot the final episode as a result00:37:16
by the way, even the previous one I mean00:37:18
the penultimate episode there are also some00:37:19
they are fragments00:37:24
reshoot00:37:27
I felt that something was wrong there00:37:29
so it doesn’t apply any pressure but00:37:31
all this doesn’t matter, I’m with you anyway00:37:33
I completely agree this is ultimately a series O00:37:36
choice is a choice that everyone makes00:37:38
a person in whatever part of the community00:37:42
he didn't belong to everything but the man does00:37:45
the choice is alone without brotherhood, he is alone00:37:49
one is left with this election and here how00:37:51
since this is probably also about this00:37:53
but I just wanted to bring up the same topic00:37:59
What a diss in Ukrainian00:38:03
just about people trying00:38:06
understand why people watch it here, why and00:38:10
including quite a few appeared00:38:13
professional assessments from00:38:15
representatives of Ukrainian film critics00:38:19
where they say yes and what do you want00:38:23
what do you want we lose in this sense00:38:26
where are the Ukrainian Ukrainian film industry00:38:29
What have we offered to our people during this time?00:38:31
except for the audience, they list it there00:38:34
one of the Ukrainian film critics with all sorts of00:38:38
sind coma which is designed for00:38:40
enough of such a well-known man in the street, but00:38:43
such a serious conversation00:38:46
Ukrainian film industry does not offer00:38:49
Today00:38:50
How much do you agree with this00:38:54
vector of reflection Is this00:38:56
also some kind of serious problem00:38:59
if we are talking again about society about00:39:02
people to whom Give something00:39:05
Give me not Matchmakers seven, but something00:39:08
give me some more00:39:12
look this is what we're talking about00:39:14
industry in Russia exists00:39:18
powerful00:39:19
multi-level full-fledged film industry00:39:23
That's about from the beginning00:39:25
00s film industry is real00:39:28
powerful exist only Sorry in00:39:31
big economies Well they are in small ones00:39:35
countries usually produce their own00:39:37
cinema is a related function Well then00:39:41
say with the existence of culture00:39:43
the state does not support the market00:39:45
supports the existence of its own00:39:47
film industry state00:39:50
supports in Russia - this is the state00:39:53
and huge00:39:55
energy economy money with00:39:57
zero, that is, they appeared on the market and00:39:59
state and private investors and00:40:03
TV channels And today streaming00:40:06
platforms have money for00:40:08
production of content that is even on00:40:11
at a certain stage claimed to be00:40:14
expansion to Overcoming Borders and00:40:17
conquest of neighboring territories and even00:40:20
so to speak, dominance there is00:40:23
obvious thing It’s kind of like00:40:26
understandable things, respectively, in Russia00:40:28
there was cinema as an author's00:40:32
or as a rule00:40:33
- existing thanks to help00:40:36
states or Well, that is, not00:40:39
claiming success from the audience and00:40:42
mass genre cinema00:40:45
focused on success with the viewer and there00:40:47
and great strides have been made there00:40:51
both for many years00:40:53
as a result, a class was also developed00:40:56
film professionals including creative ones00:40:59
authors' employees00:41:01
directors, producers, actors and middle00:41:05
link in the condition of people who are in00:41:08
were able to produce00:41:10
quality content it's true but it's00:41:13
explained by the size of the country and volumes00:41:16
economy with riches hidden in it00:41:19
subsoil and development of recent years plus00:41:22
assistance from the state which00:41:24
difference from the nineties and00:41:26
the leadership of the nineties saw in00:41:29
cinema is an important tool of influence00:41:32
on the minds therefore began to arise00:41:35
state policy in the field of cinema00:41:37
a cinema fund emerged in addition to the Ministry00:41:39
some other cultures arose00:41:41
tools with the help of existence But00:41:43
the most important thing arose completely00:41:46
private, independent from the state00:41:49
film exhibition industry00:41:52
cinemas among cinemas practically00:41:55
there the state share is I don't00:41:57
I know less than 10% is generally private00:42:00
business came there during a time of success or00:42:04
after the success of Titanic itself00:42:07
Russian cinema has been brought back to life00:42:09
Titanic and American cinema have arrived00:42:12
private investors and began to build00:42:14
cinemas all the largest chains in Russia00:42:17
cinema in Ukraine it all happened00:42:20
much later, incomparably smaller00:42:25
money glam film development resource00:42:28
was00:42:29
television Well, that is, the state00:42:31
money until you count the last ones here00:42:34
some 10 years, for example, not really00:42:37
invested and started investing00:42:39
small before only only00:42:42
I had a TV channel in the nineties00:42:45
years there were some opportunities00:42:47
lined up00:42:48
complex production co. That's what we did00:42:51
for example, the film East-West was filmed in00:42:54
Kyiv and so on I'm still blio00:42:56
Finished with the director director som rne Ya00:42:59
approached him in some dense00:43:00
ninety-fifth year at the festival in00:43:02
Cannes and I say let’s make a movie Nuno00:43:04
I was so arrogant in this sense that00:43:06
suggested and I looked at Indochina and00:43:10
French woman means no dep year00:43:12
year ninety-six he says here00:43:14
I have an idea Well, in short00:43:25
crystallized belonged to the family00:43:27
repatriates seem to be intelligent00:43:30
family who returned who00:43:32
returned on a wave of euphoria after the victory00:43:35
over Nazism over means today00:43:37
even the victory over Nazism sounds bad00:43:39
over fascist Germany Nazi00:43:42
Germany means in the late forties they00:43:45
returned to the USSR ended up in Kyiv and there00:43:48
that's all it started what we saw in the movie00:43:51
Have you noticed? Sorry, since00:43:52
this was remembered as a bubble00:43:54
such as today it is often this picture00:43:57
people remember how often they remember this00:44:00
the topic of returning repatriation back and00:44:04
as they say Every time someone00:44:05
going back check it out00:44:08
east-west and understand that nothing00:44:10
has changed, not to mention this one00:44:13
amazing00:44:14
Sergei's line00:44:17
Bodrova is an athlete swimmer who00:44:19
practically swam away from the Soviet00:44:23
Russia yes yes well why did I remember this00:44:27
because despite the fact that the project was born in00:44:29
our conversations00:44:31
with the Vorne regime we made it big00:44:35
complex products are naturally not00:44:36
only France but also Russia is money00:44:39
were in Russia00:44:41
and my friend then Igor Tolstunov00:44:44
organized00:44:46
uh Russian participation in general worked out00:44:49
great movie and any movies We're in00:44:50
the nineties were made so difficult00:44:52
in exactly the same way as a driver for Vera00:44:55
who starred in Ukrainian then00:44:56
Crimea But it was made exactly the same way00:45:00
complex enough complex to00:45:02
products and so on in the nineties00:45:05
it was clear in the 2000s it came00:45:07
production time for TV series in Ukraine00:45:09
started making TV series that Sorry00:45:12
me Ukrainian TV channels in force00:45:14
market opportunities were able00:45:16
pull these were basically00:45:18
relatively inexpensive comedies00:45:20
series sitcoms where they actually come from00:45:22
this appeared and then to say it lay down00:45:26
very much like the Ukrainian mentality and Irony00:45:29
on the ability to00:45:32
self-irony from oneself about one's loved ones over00:45:36
your loved ones, or rather, actually00:45:38
saying I wouldn't even laugh at00:45:41
the matchmakers you mentioned because00:45:43
Matchmakers are a successful thing that00:45:45
the company had a hand00:45:48
President of the country Zelensky was00:45:51
in fact the most successful series on00:45:54
all post-Soviet markets including Russia00:45:56
and it was on channel Russia 1 and lasted00:45:59
this is an unimaginable amount00:46:01
seasons just because that's how it is00:46:03
an understandable clash, that is, a collision00:46:06
cultures and lifestyles of people from different00:46:08
worlds Well, this is a classic for00:46:12
Ukrainian-made format in this00:46:16
time practically did not develop00:46:18
auteur cinema what you asked about00:46:21
actually a function that is related to00:46:24
the answer to the question about time That is, this00:46:26
in theory it should be like this00:46:29
and such successful things that you are talking about00:46:33
they say they are very smart00:46:35
filmmakers capable of genre00:46:38
form pack main contents00:46:41
time they are born, strictly speaking00:46:44
from auteur cinema come to the masses00:46:47
at least that's what happens in00:46:48
The United States and, oddly enough,00:46:51
happens in Russia too because00:46:54
author Words of the boy Zhora gooseberries he00:46:57
Andrey Pershin, in my opinion, is a man00:46:59
Absolutely original cinema and his first00:47:02
the film Gorka is honestly like this00:47:06
format based on the fact that many00:47:09
movie buffs know00:47:11
according to the Scandinavian dogma, that is, according to00:47:14
organization of filmmakers who00:47:17
made quasi-documentaries00:47:19
such00:47:20
May This is a mocking game of minds00:47:24
modern00:47:26
without a doubt Bitterly which split00:47:29
audience00:47:34
polarized by the genre which is so to speak00:47:36
indulges everything bad in people It was00:47:40
crafty In my opinion an experiment00:47:43
and quite so to speak, the director of the author and00:47:47
talented author who took and00:47:49
used genre tools in it00:47:52
movie and succeeded then he made a powerful00:47:54
A tragedy called DiCaprio and00:47:57
this is also a very unusual thing, bitter00:48:00
also such a black comedy She is like that00:48:03
has something going on How you turn it So00:48:05
you and feel it, it’s heavy on00:48:09
really scary story I'm trying00:48:11
to say that in Ukraine this process00:48:13
lagged behind and appeared recently00:48:16
several very, very talented00:48:19
author's films, for example, wonderful00:48:21
painting by Miroslav spokes absolute00:48:23
Festival hit that won awards00:48:26
and all over the world everywhere called00:48:28
tribe Well, just a very series of films00:48:32
young new generation Ukrainian00:48:35
directors of which, hypothetically,00:48:38
further development00:48:40
cinematography could appear And00:48:42
will take place In my opinion and successful00:48:44
directors of such cinema00:48:47
spectator because it00:48:48
interconnected processes people seriously00:48:50
talking about time, not afraid00:48:53
well, like an audience00:49:06
polarized these directors come and00:49:09
authors from auteur cinema in Ukraine are not00:49:12
There were great opportunities for this in00:49:14
as a result of such what is called00:49:16
ideological breakthrough mass00:49:20
mass screen or something mass00:49:22
the audience for films and TV series was except00:49:26
successful indeed You're Right sitcoms00:49:28
or dramedies which are quite00:49:31
prosper in recent years00:49:33
Let's not forget Russian TV channels either00:49:36
all these are there, relatively speaking on the First00:49:38
channel's main series was The Sniffer00:49:40
series by film.ua on the Russia channel00:49:44
the above-mentioned Swat channel Friday00:49:47
In general, it consisted entirely of Ukrainians00:49:48
formats all that these boys went there and00:49:52
other heads and tails and so on Ukrainian00:49:55
television was varied it went into00:49:58
entertainment show production00:50:01
I live very full of life00:50:03
I say so much in order to00:50:05
explain that these are complex but00:50:08
different worlds world bo yes The most important00:50:12
Sorry, the most important thing is that this is all00:50:15
takes place during the war and this experience00:50:18
no00:50:20
Ukraine I can’t imagine This is how00:50:24
today we can seriously talk about00:50:26
some achievements in the field of culture00:50:29
but they are there in the end let me00:50:31
then I’ll answer you about Ukrainian00:50:33
the movie is what I watch and encourage everyone00:50:36
watch this documentary which00:50:38
today this outstanding work exists00:50:41
here in particular00:50:43
Mstislava Chernova and Evgeniy are young 2000:50:47
days in Mariupol is absolutely00:50:49
outstanding picture so real00:50:51
A tragic canvas that is simply00:50:54
every person has to watch it00:50:56
I'm not talking about the Russians. If only it were00:50:58
show on TV in Russian00:50:59
now this picture might even exist00:51:02
the next day everything would be fine00:51:03
I think differently, naively, but00:51:05
why not why not like Vitaly's film00:51:08
Mansky Eastern Front Yes, she is in00:51:11
You can easily find it on YouTube and watch it.00:51:14
this would be interesting to everyone. Well, listen00:51:16
come on, I didn't say that, I'm sorry00:51:18
I really like Ukrainian filmmakers00:51:20
many are fighting today, but they simply don’t exist00:51:23
they are not at work. They are fighting and there are those who00:51:26
died Well, as if he died there00:51:28
famous editor One of those like00:51:31
if the key ones died Well, many actors00:51:34
many people die, they went to the front and00:51:37
they are fighting there, so to speak, so I know very well00:51:39
one of the best operators not only in00:51:42
Ukraine and in general everything I think00:51:45
Eastern Europe Sergei Mikhalchuk00:51:47
who filmed for example in Russia00:51:49
Todorovsky and lover and Hipsters and00:51:52
vice is one of our best operators00:51:55
in our part of the world he has been fighting since day one00:51:58
and Sorry he has three daughters Three00:52:02
daughters just take it and go00:52:05
volunteer and in intelligence and so on Then00:52:07
there are non-operators fighting and there are many of them00:52:10
so, well, what kind of movie today is it possible00:52:12
compete then where in Ukraine00:52:15
I think we want to shoot now00:52:17
take off very modestly I'm helping something there00:52:19
young people to make films We are there00:52:21
we made one now. Now we're getting ready.00:52:24
for the film weakly and now00:52:26
discussing the third film And so we think00:52:29
film in Ukraine Well, can you imagine?00:52:31
there is a cluster of film crew of 100-15000:52:34
man exactly, what if this is also connected with00:52:37
If there is a war, then you need to fit another tank Well00:52:39
so that they can film and they will see me00:52:42
I mean our comrades so to speak00:52:46
they will see. So there are tanks on the satellite00:52:48
people and a rocket will arrive. How are you here?00:52:50
You can shoot in Ukraine If you are no longer00:52:52
if you're filming in Ukraine, you need to film with your neighbor00:52:56
Poland Lithuania and so on Belarus is not00:52:59
you can shoot accordingly00:53:01
only Well, maybe money is still difficult for Moldova00:53:04
other possibilities others need to be collected00:53:07
European Well, I must say that in Europe00:53:10
there are special programs that help00:53:13
assistance to Ukrainian cinematographer No00:53:15
this is a terrible time for Ukrainian cinema00:53:17
except you're absolutely right00:53:19
they said the documentary is being filmed very much00:53:21
many and very00:53:24
strong00:53:25
as the war progresses they will appear00:53:28
and they’re filming and playing games, but for now00:53:31
such as let's say such a breakthrough00:53:34
there was no movie but they never00:53:36
appear during the event for them00:53:38
appearance is necessary birth is necessary00:53:40
time I generally think that in Ukrainian00:53:43
the movie will be like an explosion00:53:47
comparable to what happened in00:53:49
Soviet cinema after World War II00:53:51
Wars when VGIK came a generation of people00:53:54
about00:53:58
Sorry left scout sing wounds00:54:01
means having walked over the line repeatedly00:54:03
to the front of the front behind the tongues behind the tongue And00:54:06
so huge Well, it’s like it’s real00:54:10
military man and so on and00:54:12
a lot of people came to list them00:54:14
who knew about life and then these00:54:17
people received the right to individual00:54:20
expression on one’s understanding of the world and00:54:23
life and another movie appeared which00:54:26
called copyright because before the war00:54:28
there was no auteur cinema00:54:29
it appeared almost all over the world And00:54:31
in exactly the same way in Italy with Italian00:54:34
neorealism and further further in00:54:37
France in the French wave and so on00:54:40
it was manifested by generation A00:54:42
the main thing that was established after the war was the right to00:54:46
directors on the individuality of the look00:54:49
before that it was like this00:54:50
Industrial Industrial process with00:54:53
more talented talented00:54:56
professionals, of course, but00:54:58
look at the huge quantity00:55:02
waved of course, well, a large number00:55:03
very talented people left Russia00:55:07
now they work in different countries00:55:09
trying to shoot trying somehow00:55:11
self-realization, including people with00:55:14
which you worked as a producer Yes and00:55:17
Andrey Zvyagintsev and Kira00:55:24
kova00:55:25
I just had an idea now00:55:27
there is such a tradition00:55:30
Almanac could be united and00:55:33
make it really like this00:55:36
Almanac about Ukraine about today's00:55:39
today if such people would take off00:55:42
alone00:55:43
ess00:55:45
ten minutes would be a great contribution00:55:49
today Well I00:55:52
deep things about Ukraine doge film00:55:55
now Ukrainians are Ukrainians Well, I’m not00:55:57
I think it's right that they do this00:55:59
Russians Yes, and they don’t think it’s right00:56:01
offered many times by a great director00:56:04
including the ones you mentioned00:56:06
do something related to Ukraine they00:56:08
reasonable In my opinion very responsible00:56:11
refused In addition, they are now being done00:56:13
in Ukraine Almanac which through fate00:56:16
animals at war talks about war and00:56:19
I know this because we work with00:56:22
weakling over big films He00:56:24
I have now filmed one story, one short story for00:56:27
this Almanac starring00:56:29
shn PN played Here But there are many other short stories00:56:33
which are filmed by some quite like this00:56:35
to say whether famous people are talented or not00:56:37
very Ukrainian00:56:39
Russian filmmakers make it seem00:56:42
different things Well, we all work00:56:44
We understand everything perfectly well at different stages00:56:47
It’s clear that we remembered with you00:56:49
once upon a time Serebryannikov Well, Serebryanikov00:56:51
I've made two big films now00:56:54
in parallel with their theatrical00:56:55
performances I think these films should00:56:58
wait at the nearest major festivals00:57:01
By the way, it’s like they’re not directly talking about00:57:03
about the war, but I know, let’s say about00:57:05
the fate of Dr. Mengele is like this00:57:08
here it comes to today00:57:10
absolutely and this is how I am00:57:13
I feel like it will be like this, just like that00:57:16
red signal for many many many00:57:20
people and of course since this is your second time00:57:22
already mentioned about yours today00:57:25
work maybe say a few words what00:57:27
what a big picture movie this is00:57:45
weak-spitz00:57:49
propaganda but He wrote history00:57:51
occupation one of many during the war is00:57:55
article called we can be00:57:58
only00:58:00
enemies so it is translated from00:58:02
English it was published in00:58:03
one of the most influential00:58:06
American publications called The00:58:09
ATL and This is the history of occupation in Ukrainian00:58:14
village Kuda00:58:15
comes the Russian part founded00:58:17
absolutely Nare of this today00:58:23
war00:58:25
a huge amount of materials has been collected00:58:27
there are interviews with photos of everything there00:58:30
there are even some left on video Well then00:58:33
there actually is a script by Miroslav00:58:38
weaving from a huge quantity00:58:40
for now we call authentic material00:58:43
series for yourself Oh series film for yourself00:58:46
occupation Well, he probably will00:58:49
be called differently I hope in the next00:58:51
let's film this naturally together00:58:54
production we don't take I never00:58:55
I use government money00:58:57
Ukrainian ones and we collect00:59:00
money we do it together with very00:59:03
famous American company Anon00:59:06
Content This is the one that matters Including00:59:09
for example, Oscar winner in00:59:11
spotlight sly remember better about00:59:15
journalists who worked on00:59:17
history00:59:19
pedophilia of the Catholic Church in00:59:22
Boston or they were00:59:25
they are behind the film yin Jari Alejandro00:59:28
Gonzalez Irito is a survivor and many00:59:32
others. That's what we do together with them.00:59:34
movie00:59:36
weak-spitz00:59:37
aa Colleagues with whom I did a lot of things00:59:41
including Leviathan and Lovelessness and00:59:47
a very famous Polish company here00:59:50
we are together, this is all I put together00:59:53
And hopefully next year we'll film it00:59:55
such a powerful picture in which there is almost no00:59:57
words but to be honest she is very readable01:00:00
it’s hard when I let you read it01:00:04
written mime01:00:06
Miroslava01:00:08
short means text then honestly01:00:11
the reaction was amazing01:00:23
Xibalba, of course we'll gather everyone, well, Russians01:00:26
Russians can play naturally, but this01:00:28
We haven't gotten to that point yet, I think01:00:31
we'll film it in the fall. Well, we're not in a hurry. We're01:00:33
we don't do we require it's not01:00:34
documentary to document01:00:36
there’s such a human story right there. What01:00:38
happens to people in certain01:00:40
such extreme circumstances01:00:42
during the war But this is actually01:00:45
interesting because I don't like it at all01:00:48
journalism and very much in feature films from01:00:51
I try to stay away from her01:00:55
documentary, on the contrary, I love you01:00:57
it seems like a documentary01:00:59
journalistic01:01:03
you know how Ilya Ehrenburg once said01:01:07
that I don't like paintings like01:01:08
photograph similar to01:01:10
the painting I have is exactly the same01:01:13
the feeling is actually this01:01:15
thing about people it's not not about01:01:19
The circumstances here are complicated too.01:01:21
characters on both sides but understandable01:01:24
now is not the time to say that01:01:30
unite Well, how to merge into the arms of those01:01:32
people on both sides are not talking about this now01:01:34
maybe no not possible I'll let you go01:01:38
soon but let's have some questions01:01:41
let's answer our viewers yes first01:01:44
they ask about fate01:01:47
the entire Kremlin army announces based on the book01:01:52
PS let's say this, let's say the book zyrya Yes01:01:55
we have this project we I will talk about it separately01:01:58
I'll announce it's very complicated01:02:01
unusual project with big names01:02:05
book with Igor only01:02:07
just one of the sources of this01:02:10
project and we will announce it only in01:02:12
next year not at the beginning that is01:02:15
I’ll remind the audience that this is what we’re talking about01:02:17
political detective Yes, sort of01:02:19
card01:02:21
house scandals intrigue investigations01:02:24
three Kremlins but Zygar's book She's the same01:02:28
as if such a documentary novel is not01:02:30
this is non-fiction and here I understand it01:02:33
It will be quite a feature film of course01:02:35
Ivo cinema Fight feature film with01:02:38
big big director big01:02:40
by the author incredibly large very01:02:42
talented And I'm sure about the other one yes01:02:45
naturally they ask about the other one too01:02:47
Will Alexander produce the new one?01:02:49
Zvyagintsev's project Jupiter I really don't01:02:51
I know it’s correct or that’s how ours uses it01:02:53
viewer otherwise, no, I won’t, here we are01:02:58
they told you01:02:59
what do I do under the current circumstances01:03:03
I don’t want a project about Russia Well, somehow01:03:07
I don't, well, it doesn't ignite, I can't, I01:03:10
We have a very good relationship with Andreya01:03:12
we literally saw each other Petrovich01:03:14
a few days01:03:15
back at the award ceremony01:03:18
France to our friend the Frenchman in general and01:03:21
we talked but he I think that he01:03:24
preparing for launch and about to film01:03:27
in the spring but I several times he is with me01:03:29
I didn’t speak on this topic at one time01:03:31
can you know in me in order to01:03:34
it worked out for me I understand many01:03:37
especially viewers who are far from cinema01:03:39
they believe that the film is still so to speak01:03:40
mostly done by the director but believe me01:03:42
What they do is a collective matter and01:03:45
so that I don’t let you down and make my own01:03:47
part Okay I must be in love with01:03:50
the project really should be for01:03:53
I'm personally important, I can't doubt it01:03:55
especially when it comes to the Project01:03:57
such a director as Zvegintsev But I don’t01:04:00
in love that's why he's far from me01:04:02
a lot of things confuse me I think this is well this01:04:05
my personal I will not I am not critical of01:04:07
I relate to him I really want this01:04:09
it worked out Well, I just can’t01:04:12
it worked out01:04:13
how can you explain what is in the number01:04:17
Vladimir Putin's proxies01:04:19
a lot of classical musicians ask01:04:21
Andrey but I will add there not not just not01:04:24
there are only a lot of classics there01:04:25
number of ski athletes and01:04:27
boxers Well, naturally, these ones01:04:30
singers with their mouths and several artists who01:04:33
long ago already appeared in01:04:37
this in this gang there are singers of Okhlobystiny01:04:40
Mash, that’s clear. And who else is there?01:04:43
Gergiev from the classical big Well01:04:45
Gergiev is clear he is an old friend01:04:48
Bashmet Bashmet Bashmet someone else is there01:04:51
Matsuev Matsuev there it is there yes the group01:04:55
Yes there is, Well listen, dear Gergiev01:04:59
friend of many years, he could live peacefully in01:05:03
all over the world and an outstanding musician and01:05:06
conductor Well, he made his choice, he's back01:05:08
and now it was somehow called like this01:05:10
called before01:05:12
revolution director of the directorate01:05:14
imperial theaters of Dada he is now01:05:16
commands all the main theaters01:05:19
countries Well, why isn’t he Bashmet01:05:22
I've been at this for a long time so to speak01:05:25
there is a problem with people born in01:05:27
Lvov He is not the only one who was born01:05:29
in Lviv and in this position you can see them01:05:32
I don't know It's difficult for me I don't want to be here like01:05:35
tell you to run into the territory01:05:38
Leach's assessment of some qualities but something in01:05:42
they have that here he is like me I will repeat myself01:05:45
I know several other people born in01:05:48
Lvov and took the Russian position01:05:53
I understand it doesn’t concern Mansky one more01:05:55
Lvovna who, on the contrary, is extremely01:05:58
radically and harshly critical01:06:00
I think it's even unnecessary01:06:02
harsh on everyone right away, but01:06:06
Bashmet is also a long history01:06:09
I don’t know Matsuev, I’ll tell you this for now01:06:13
everything that happened all these 2 years A01:06:15
maybe earlier from the fourteenth01:06:17
years when these first were true01:06:19
poniki letters support politics01:06:22
Do you remember Putin in Crimea and Ukraine? And01:06:25
there are a lot of wonderful people with bright01:06:28
faces lit up, it seems to me that01:06:30
has no geographical origin01:06:32
it doesn't matter anymore, you know, no way01:06:35
Well, because there are so many Odessa residents there01:06:38
who now swear allegiance to Putin and people01:06:41
which have nothing to do with Ukraine01:06:45
have and not by birth not by fact01:06:48
nationality turns out to be01:06:50
real brave people who are not01:06:53
afraid to say01:06:57
You are right, in which year many saved their01:07:00
here I am01:07:01
talked to an outstanding musician01:07:04
whom he was friends with and asked him and he01:07:06
says Well, listen, they called and said that01:07:08
you have 150 musicians and they have families01:07:12
that if you don’t sign it, it won’t happen01:07:14
money for an orchestra And this is actually01:07:17
saved orke saved theater01:07:22
leaked as if it were pure blackmail. Well, it’s worth it01:07:26
tell me it's worth it for you01:07:29
turned a man into a publicly humiliated01:07:32
that's how this story told me about Kolyagino01:07:34
I was just shocked by something so public01:07:36
humiliation And they also leaked his letter01:07:39
absolutely I say Fista 2 here01:07:41
absolutely stylistically I don’t know seen01:07:43
whether you are him or not this letter is he there01:07:45
Practically pronounces the main text01:07:48
hero of the film Istvan Saba I'm just an actor01:07:50
why are you humiliating me so much?01:07:52
dare means to convict that I01:07:54
not loyal enough I mean there are people like that01:07:57
the turns in this letter that he writes01:07:58
addressed to the head of the presidential administration01:08:01
that's what01:08:02
you need to know what choice you need01:08:04
put a person in order to allow him to do this01:08:07
treat yourself this way so that he is so01:08:08
I've reached the low point, well, let's remember01:08:13
since you remembered01:08:15
Fista then you know fate01:08:19
[music]01:08:22
about01:08:25
Retom Thea is the biggest one who named his guitar01:08:29
Among those with Gordy Germany list01:08:32
Germany's talents he was really01:08:34
close to Guerin and not far from both01:08:38
the film is not far from Goebbels and after01:08:42
wars naturally brought him to trial01:08:43
but they were acquitted because he was individual01:08:46
was an honest man as people said01:08:48
I'll show him off01:08:52
for Bush and he was not convicted, moreover, the book01:08:56
Klaus Mann who was his best01:08:59
moreover, not even their friend01:09:01
was novel There this Henrik Jögen was married01:09:07
on Erica MAN on her sister and then there was an affair01:09:10
the four of them went there, this one01:09:13
Klaus MAN married Wegener's daughter01:09:15
Austrian playwright and they went there01:09:18
together they had some kind of trip to01:09:20
America is some kind of classic01:09:22
history of the twenties01:09:24
the relationship between couples is somehow special01:09:28
in short, they all left and he01:09:31
stayed and Klaus ma wrote a book about01:09:34
the person with whom I was so close01:09:35
this is also the point of the sun and Klaus when01:09:38
wrote a book about then he committed suicide and01:09:41
while his book is almost complete01:09:43
Kina's life in West Germany is not01:09:52
published by Denmark in West Germany She01:09:56
went out in the east, they were allowed only in01:09:58
seventy-nine that is actually me01:10:01
Why am I saying these people act exactly01:10:03
in this coordinate system we help where01:10:06
maybe we try not to lose01:10:08
human face, well, we have it here01:10:11
such a choice but we choose between work01:10:14
in the profession life and so to speak01:10:17
to drag out your miserable existence01:10:19
somewhere no one needs Well, I'm about And01:10:22
this is the choice in which they exist01:10:25
bad good I don't know I'm not judging you01:10:28
I'll be honest, but I would like it01:10:29
impossible you are asking me01:10:32
the answer is uninteresting about me01:10:35
say everyone knows but well you know the methods01:10:38
you know the methods and possible levers01:10:41
which the authorities use when01:10:44
trying to rape what is called01:10:48
intelligentsia Significant people call01:10:51
which for01:10:52
these matter to someone himself maybe01:10:55
call I don’t know such people Well, probably01:10:57
Gergi himself and the head calls someone01:10:59
administration or Kiriyenko or someone01:11:02
He also says listen, Well, dear Ivan01:11:05
Ivanovich, look, well, we need it01:11:07
your help is very helpful here you know01:11:09
All your colleagues signed the letter. So01:11:12
Pupkin and Sidorov and Petrov Well, it would seem01:11:15
It would seem that in this situation everything01:11:17
must get together and speak out Well because01:11:19
what is time and we will help you if01:11:22
sign or if you don't sign01:11:24
we understand Nothing personal like this01:11:27
circumstances your orchestra your theater01:11:30
there is no existence Prim not you will be removed but01:11:32
they will not exist, they will have to01:11:35
They'll disperse there, but that's okay.01:11:37
not our problem because well, there are no such people01:11:39
options for the state01:11:41
help the prima and they talk and that’s it01:11:44
someone may refuse but it is necessary01:11:47
be01:11:52
nope01:11:56
it means someone can't, most can't01:11:59
maybe I am responsible for 50001:12:01
people musicians with families and can01:12:04
understand what they do, travel, perform01:12:07
with good music Bach Beethoven Morm01:12:10
Tchaikovsky trash bins in other cities and01:12:13
We weigh the Russian Federation by01:12:16
occupied territories01:12:22
between01:12:24
but they don’t come out with slogans01:12:26
They say they're doing it anyway01:12:29
they come and say there is the second symphony01:12:33
Rachmaninov with piano orchestra Well,01:12:37
everything and01:12:38
let's give for example01:12:43
By the way, the Seventh Symphony is also them01:12:46
because now everything is being dragged away there01:12:48
themselves Here's what they're comparing to gray01:12:51
the seventh symphony was played in occupied01:12:55
Leningrad and today it’s like ours01:12:57
musicians also01:13:00
they are protesting against what is not clear01:13:03
speak out in defense of the Motherland What is called01:13:05
play their own music play on01:13:08
occupied territories raising the spirit01:13:10
fighters and helping the local residents01:13:13
feel the ground under your feet and believe nothing01:13:16
but nevertheless still01:13:19
How can I tell you not even01:13:22
I know01:13:26
if there is probably a red line01:13:29
every person unconditionally and in the environment01:13:32
intelligentsia too01:13:35
but how do they do it they intimidate they01:13:39
they buy they lure they promise that they01:13:43
do what man do01:13:46
they are coming, how can I tell you this is the same01:13:49
time as it is commonly called today01:13:52
morally they are first01:13:55
blur the space between good and01:13:57
bad They always create a feeling01:14:00
that it’s like that everywhere, well, that is, the world01:14:05
Corum everyone is for sale playing their01:14:08
interests Well, there’s just a world and a country in01:14:11
in which your personal interests coincide with01:14:15
yours as if with your origin01:14:17
language culture yes We are not perfect they01:14:20
very often there are many smart people among them01:14:22
who are trying to play idiots01:14:25
in conversation they don't tell us what we are01:14:27
only right No they say no01:14:29
everyone is a scoundrel, everyone is lying, everyone is lying, everyone is lying01:14:33
they are engaged in propaganda, everyone is playing01:14:37
war itself, then for not, then for gas, then for what01:14:40
there's other stuff, but there's no difference between01:14:45
relatively speaking01:14:46
manifesto of this or speeches on01:14:49
TV on the skirt Excuse me that No it is01:14:52
same thing Well, he’s just against war01:14:55
because it feeds there and you are here01:14:57
you write Well, you feed here So01:15:00
choose yours and make art like this01:15:03
you can be given opportunities do We01:15:05
let's not get into your business or your music until01:15:08
couples before time dada yes Well listen up01:15:11
from time to time and everywhere here is the moral01:15:13
relativism is the basis of compromise people01:15:17
decent ones no one tells them, sell them01:15:21
for such and such money01:15:23
Make a deal with your conscience and he thinks01:15:27
Well, no, well, we, I've been with them all since childhood01:15:29
childhood they taught books they read01:15:30
smart intelligent well educated01:15:33
people No, I won’t agree to an agreement in my conscience01:15:36
No They don't talk to them like that, they talk to them01:15:38
No, look, you're smart01:15:40
man, well, the world is like this, this is how it turned out01:15:42
Well, you go, you’ll be there Best Well, I see01:15:45
that you have an apartment somewhere there01:15:48
Barcelona have accumulated a hundred01:15:52
we know, but how long will it last for you?01:15:55
for a year or two Well, that's it. Live here for how long.01:15:57
if you want to drive, who's stopping you?01:16:00
Sign the letter and do whatever you want01:16:02
just say nonsense anywhere and that’s it Well01:16:04
This is something like a question from a viewer01:16:07
Have you seen the movie Sakurova's fairy tale?01:16:09
you think of course you saw it Yes I saw it on01:16:12
Premiere at Lakar01:16:15
last year when he got there01:16:18
Well it's a curious film I'm very good01:16:20
I know Alexander Nikolaevi Fil well01:16:23
familiar even worked with the sun01:16:25
together yes I was with him the Sun I01:16:28
I deeply respect him and consider him one of the most01:16:30
outstanding01:16:32
Russian directors And not only Well, I01:16:35
I don't know, I have my own idea about01:16:37
films in modern times are usually appreciated01:16:40
those things that, well, as if not before01:16:42
would be so significant Well, so to speak01:16:44
presence, relatively speaking, in the One in this01:16:46
Purgatory in this01:16:49
space of Hitler Stalin Mussolini and01:16:52
even waiting for Christ means meeting with01:16:54
father and somewhere else nearby01:16:58
a space where a little more01:17:00
more where is the light cherchi which is somewhere there01:17:04
between closer to the light That's it01:17:08
to myself01:17:15
self-worth well, as always, it’s special01:17:18
courage, unusual idea01:17:22
but you know how to tell me it01:17:25
not touched internally Well, there are some01:17:27
things that I still value extremely01:17:30
and in today's times especially I'm like this01:17:33
I wish I could still dream about the films that01:17:36
able to worry passionately01:17:39
capture force to live strangers01:17:42
life because this kind of conditional01:17:45
speaking esti kinoi she is talented01:17:48
pure cinematic joy01:17:50
lives if it hadn't been banned it would have01:17:53
shown in three Russian cinemas and01:17:55
he would have passed there almost unnoticed01:17:58
who no one would come no one would not01:17:59
noticed and then it turned out they didn’t give him01:18:03
rental certificate Well, I see01:18:04
for some reason, again, everyone01:18:06
demonstrate that there are no authorities so01:18:08
By the way, to say the same to the previous one01:18:10
public humiliation by the way humiliation what01:18:13
even People's Artist of Russia01:18:14
Federation of Great Director of Significance01:18:17
well-known in the West, they took it like this01:18:19
insulted humiliated by refusal he01:18:21
indeed he is also touching01:18:23
he is emotional and I see it01:18:26
I understand that I have heard this many times01:18:28
like no one needs me and I won’t do it anyway01:18:31
no one can work my art anymore01:18:33
there need to be people here who01:18:36
they say no, you are needed, they show there on01:18:38
Ksenia Sobchak channel ba discussion01:18:40
this is some kind of happiness for him, he is already01:18:42
starts to rejoice Well really good01:18:45
what showed it became some kind of event A01:18:47
you saw the interview itself with Yes, I saw but01:18:50
it confused me very much01:18:53
confused but I tell you honestly01:18:55
even his press conference in01:18:58
lakar I listened too, I’ll tell you honestly01:19:01
I wanted to wait there after the conference01:19:03
him and chat Well, I didn’t even leave01:19:06
waiting because it confused me01:19:08
some kind of things Well, in my opinion01:19:11
it's here now01:19:12
time of black and white, that’s how it’s assessed01:19:16
Yes, and we already calmly decide01:19:19
where we talk and where we don't talk to we01:19:21
speak speak Well, what am I going to explain01:19:24
to the outstanding adult director that01:19:27
question about war Not necessary01:19:29
tell how he wrote the letter01:19:30
to the president and then it turned out that he01:19:31
did not write a letter to President Poroshenko01:19:33
Putin to members of the Human Rights Council01:19:36
which he is and Poroshenko01:19:39
he wrote and introduce Poroshenko to him01:19:41
didn't answer I seriously think that you01:19:43
wrote Poroshenko for no reason at all01:19:46
War I understand that you are worried, but if01:19:48
you wrote to at least two addresses here01:19:50
letter to Putin and letter to Poroshenko dear01:19:53
it means presidents stop01:19:55
look what's happening to ours01:19:56
the people say the outstanding director No01:19:58
he didn't do that And it could have been01:20:00
public serious step but he doesn't01:20:02
I did and I somehow reacted to it01:20:04
I repeat, maybe in modern times01:20:06
I'm overreacting emotionally, I'm not the same01:20:09
to be emotional for me01:20:11
There are no surprises, I understand everything, the sun is complicated, I01:20:14
I understand how people work, how they live, how01:20:16
make a choice I try not to judge anyone01:20:19
And especially such talented people I01:20:21
just like where01:20:23
I consider it necessary to say I say where not01:20:26
I think why I can only bring01:20:28
unpleasant feelings01:20:30
and the person I’m talking to and Yes, and myself01:20:33
I won't be happy that's why I won't01:20:35
talked and interview, I watched it and01:20:38
to be honest Well, it’s kind of like that at all01:20:39
awkward very hard produces01:20:41
the impression of being absolutely crushed01:20:43
man Yes, well, here I am, he says01:20:45
he's emotional as if he's completely01:20:49
his word01:20:51
would01:20:53
Just don't let him have this movie01:20:55
which he did for several years01:20:57
which I found an unusual visual01:20:59
solution really talented film01:21:01
and very unusual and he is already thinking01:21:04
even know someone from someone01:21:06
ridiculous about the Cannes Film Festival01:21:08
which means he didn’t show it on purpose01:21:10
and 3 days before the announcement withdrew from01:21:12
programs Well, how do you know he was in01:21:14
program Well how is it01:21:17
just announcing the program means sa Well01:21:21
nonsense That is, while he was being considered for01:21:24
subject special display he could not be in01:21:26
competition, of course, well, they could show it01:21:30
would show but made a decision at the time01:21:32
war, well, it’s probably their right to festival01:21:35
that's not it01:21:36
so that some kind of pure politics They01:21:39
they showed the silver not Russian01:21:42
They are especially afraid of directors like01:21:45
sakurov he them he was there six times I01:21:48
I think he received awards there01:21:50
the most powerful figure Well, that means they accepted it01:21:54
decision based on quality, so to speak01:21:56
movie Not our movie you know how often it is01:21:58
it happens with canas they don’t charge much01:22:00
some famous later becoming01:22:03
famous films they have their own01:22:05
curatorial assessment your selection Here from01:22:08
this from this naivety to01:22:10
somehow political somehow awkward01:22:12
I won't even discuss01:22:14
why another OTS question from one of ours01:22:18
the viewer does not see the name you are in the nineties01:22:20
Filmed as a director saying goodbye to01:22:23
Isn’t it too early for the SSR to die but still live?01:22:26
Isn't that Putin and his people?01:22:27
prove What do you think Yes, that's why01:22:31
I'm doing it now Goodbye sr3 there was goodbye01:22:34
sr1 and goodbye sr2 two films I even01:22:38
made one in desto vrom according to the results01:22:40
means the collapse I was in the first film01:22:43
such a personal essay I turned to my01:22:46
friends among01:22:48
something from childhood01:22:51
meh01:22:53
famous artists in Russia and Ukraine01:22:57
music show director01:22:59
grief Krasnov, with whom we have been friends for years01:23:02
he and I were also friends, the kingdom, but we01:23:05
We've been friends all our lives, so to speak, and here he is01:23:09
there was a character Well, there are a lot of people there01:23:12
whom I met there later I like01:23:14
I would try to answer myself in charge01:23:16
question the main questions that emerged01:23:19
poured out the collapse of the country01:23:23
Where are we from and where are we going here?01:23:24
the notorious a01:23:26
last year I made a film about 2 about the war01:23:30
war as a permanent state01:23:32
infinite state and there it’s like01:23:34
everything was built on the return01:23:38
I filmed the Soviet Army from Germany as01:23:40
these are the tanks returning, the planes are all this01:23:43
and in parallel, there were short stories inside01:23:47
what happened to people during the collapse01:23:49
empire here01:23:51
It's time to put it together and do it01:23:54
like a general film simply SR I shot like01:23:56
some times myself but as a documentarian01:23:59
some footage from the current situation in01:24:03
Ukraine and some stories with people and01:24:06
there, so to speak, I do it with a friend01:24:08
now this is the kind of film But usually about01:24:11
I don’t say it because it’s absolutely01:24:12
diary film I decided to make it myself01:24:15
without any company studios and other things and in01:24:17
able to do it but it's interesting with01:24:20
the other side suddenly gather unexpectedly01:24:22
that's it, it was too early01:24:26
right Well, probably yes the last thing01:24:29
I'll ask you how popular it is on your01:24:32
look like this today Vector01:24:36
popular the world is tired of war from war01:24:39
the world is tired of war, Ukraine is tired of war01:24:42
has become a routine war has become a habit and01:24:45
the more I continue this logical01:24:48
the chain the more people enter here01:24:52
this state is further and further01:24:56
further the outline of Victory And in general how not01:24:59
you really understand what it should look like01:25:01
how do you feel about this01:25:03
this this discussion she is she01:25:07
exists about it talk about it01:25:10
they write: Who isn’t tired of war? How?01:25:12
you can not get tired of the war, how can you not01:25:14
tired of being shelled01:25:22
that privat Lyuda from the fact that from life on01:25:26
war from life Postav01:25:30
emigration of some new ones is far from01:25:33
always or usually uncomfortable01:25:36
circumstances Of course everyone is tired and everything01:25:38
want the war to end, then it arises01:25:40
the question of what kind of world after the war is it all01:25:43
they say Why do we want to say that?01:25:46
Just01:25:51
Swa started a war, it’s unlikely01:25:55
so it turns out I'm with horrors01:25:57
Sometimes I think about this Great One01:26:00
the second world war and I think this is how they01:26:03
I once asked a huge01:26:05
number of people starting from their own01:26:07
there, so to speak, Grandfathers and Grandmothers Yes, yes01:26:09
how is this purely psychological?01:26:11
we've been coping with this for four-something years01:26:13
but all this plus my grandfather filmed01:26:17
starting from the thirty-ninth year on he01:26:19
the camera was already on the tank when01:26:22
The partition of Poland took place on September 1701:26:26
I'll say the Soviet one, the most famous01:26:29
documentarian01:26:31
ungo yes yes and he was just then on01:26:35
was actually very interested in some01:26:37
there are events post Western Ukraine01:26:41
when captured or already and01:26:44
attached here Well, a lot of things for me01:26:47
Told Well, that is, almost 6 years.01:26:49
I’m telling you how you survived it, what?01:26:52
Well, until you understand this01:26:55
now nothing will work out, that's the whole question01:26:58
is that He told me that they lived01:27:00
really what it was he replied to01:27:02
this question is very good I have spent my whole life01:27:03
remember you understand says it was01:27:05
the only moment in my life when01:27:08
I didn't have scissors, he spoke like01:27:10
Eisenstein whom he knew01:27:12
says Eisenstein liked to say that01:27:14
that there were no scissors between what I wanted01:27:17
the party and the leadership of the wound and the fact that01:27:19
I wanted this is the only moment of my life01:27:22
These 6 years are considered the happiest in01:27:24
in this sense they were because I wanted01:27:27
so that we win, that's all there is to it01:27:29
was and I didn't have any others01:27:32
doubt we are doing the right thing01:27:34
There's a lot going on there, but we're all01:27:37
on the side of good And here's everything And here's before01:27:41
it's all the thirties then the forties01:27:45
when he was arrested there in '4801:27:47
and so on when the fight with01:27:48
cosmopolitans and so on it was already01:27:51
another life but war he says Well01:27:52
read the happiest time01:27:54
strangely says all these01:27:56
the monstrous horrors of war, all this that01:27:59
happened there but psychologically we01:28:01
knew who we were we knew why we were and why01:28:04
this is a very important thing because01:28:06
Well, it’s like, well, it’s impossible to take and01:28:08
agree with what he proposes conditionally01:28:12
saying Putin yes Well, not really01:28:15
very many here again this moral01:28:17
relativism Many people say Listen to this01:28:19
it’s a question of interests. Well, there’s territory01:28:21
there they gave it away and decided on the guarantees01:28:24
got it and live as you want there01:28:26
The European Union and so on, first of all, what01:28:29
guarantees And then what will happen secondly and01:28:32
what will happen to the people who are on these01:28:33
territories And thirdly, the most important thing is01:28:35
what will happen to the world in which you can01:28:37
so take it come in at will take it off01:28:39
piece when you want to destroy a bunch01:28:42
people a sea of people and in this01:28:46
I mean, being right is a terrible thing01:28:50
but at the same time I certainly wanted01:28:52
found a way to end the war. And who doesn’t?01:28:55
wants and of course And I understand these efforts01:28:59
upon reaching a peace agreement they01:29:01
reasonable efforts, but they also arise01:29:04
become uh for real01:29:07
relevant when01:29:10
there is when there is a real picture of the world01:29:14
This is what we must come to01:29:16
Well, why? Now this is what01:29:19
captured four regions of Ukraine and Crimea01:29:22
and they said that now it’s Russia01:29:24
voted in a fictitious referendum01:29:27
on which no one was included in01:29:29
The Constitution and now in all seriousness01:29:31
they will mean twirling their fingers and talking01:29:34
This is ours, this is correct, but what if that’s all01:29:37
the rest will be ours too01:29:39
the day after tomorrow Kharkov will want Odessa and01:29:42
how people should live they don't want to live in01:29:44
such a country as Russia They are different01:29:46
I'll sniff it, not that Ukraine is wild01:29:48
modern wildly successful and wildly01:29:50
A fair country is not like that, it’s not for01:29:53
she doesn't fight because she01:29:54
smug Believes herself better No she01:29:57
just wants to get better, those are two different things01:29:59
she should have a chance to improve but01:30:02
for this and least of all01:30:04
we need a Moscow Dictator who01:30:07
buried the opportunities of his country as01:30:09
in my opinion, which could become one01:30:10
one of the most important and most important in the world01:30:13
successful and rich and successful took01:30:16
destroyed it in fact turned it around01:30:19
practically our new Peter I01:30:21
you understand01:30:22
So I turned it the other way and01:30:24
dragged her somewhere, regardless of01:30:27
whether people want it or not01:30:29
Nobody wants this in Ukraine, that’s why01:30:31
conversations just about peace are conversations in01:30:34
benefit the poor while they01:30:37
are not supported by a real image of the world01:30:41
post-war, what kind of world are we heading towards?01:30:43
such as South and North Korea01:30:47
Perhaps Let's say so Let's01:30:48
let's divide people won't die And then01:30:51
wait until it means they will calm down, the passion will die01:30:55
Putin will come to a new leadership of Ukraine01:30:57
will become more successful01:30:59
attractive economy to her to her01:31:02
currencies a lot of money and so on Well then, well01:31:04
this is not peace it's called regime01:31:06
cessation of hostilities achieved01:31:08
in Korea with the help of the Americans there01:31:11
50,000 American soldiers actually01:31:13
it’s worth it, but first of all it’s not enough for the line01:31:17
separation from Russia and secondly01:31:19
there are no Americans in Ukraine, this means to them01:31:22
need to come This is already different01:31:24
history in general is very complex things01:31:27
we need to come up with an image of the post-war world01:31:29
What to talk about if the termination mode01:31:31
military operations are probably possible, but this01:31:33
the solution to the issue is simply shifted01:31:35
for future generations Why Ukrainian01:31:38
management doesn't want this because01:31:40
they don’t know if the future generation will be able to01:31:43
Ukrainian leaders, as I understand it01:31:45
this is my version to provide this01:31:48
solidarity support of the whole world in the fight against01:31:51
an aggressor that's all today after all01:31:54
Almost everyone helps Ukraine at one time or another01:31:56
or almost all democratic01:31:58
countries of the world to one degree or another Yes01:32:01
today the help will be delayed Yes today it will01:32:03
became a bargaining chip in01:32:06
internal political squabbles01:32:08
Democratic Republican Party in01:32:11
United States but this is not a dispute over01:32:12
about whether to help or not help01:32:14
Ukraine is a dispute over whether to build01:32:16
or not building means a fence along01:32:18
Mexican border And how much money for01:32:21
it needs to be spent, the Democrats will hand it over01:32:23
Republicans will immediately sign their positions01:32:26
assistance to Ukraine and Israel is the same as01:32:29
everything else is so to speak uloma orba or01:32:31
so to speak, they will force him, or01:32:35
will bypass his veto in the European01:32:38
union but Ukraine will receive the money it needs01:32:40
it will just take more time and so on01:32:41
further but no one stops at this stage01:32:44
there will be no support for Ukraine because01:32:46
this is an existential question of what to be01:32:48
to the world, Putin is not fighting with Ukraine for or01:32:52
four regions or five he is at war with01:32:54
world order with Americano center of the world with01:32:57
unsuitable status for him as an outcast in01:33:00
which he Iran North Korea Hamas01:33:02
Hezbollah Taliban and other wonderful ones01:33:06
say countries and terrorist01:33:07
organizations feel insufficient01:33:11
confident players in international01:33:12
politicians practically01:33:15
and those who do not have the right to vote they want01:33:18
a lot of vector Or like this01:33:19
multipolar world Well, that's all he said01:33:22
it's good that it's good with Putin that he's everything01:33:25
says it right if you look at it01:33:27
Seventh Year Speech in Munich Look01:33:30
his Ultimatum of the twenty-first year01:33:32
which he proposed to NATO says it all01:33:35
that's all, the same eggs, dada, that's all01:33:39
he wants means the Western world laughs and01:33:41
the whole world agrees that it is so01:33:44
tell humanity to turn into01:33:48
a jar of spiders with their interests and01:33:51
I’ll cut everyone into zones, which means regional01:33:54
Russia's interests are responsible for Ukraine01:33:57
And you also look at the Baltic countries, what are they01:34:00
they are afraid, you see how tough it is01:34:02
react But that means China01:34:04
respectively for Asia for the whole And also01:34:07
He wants Africa and so on, well who cares01:34:10
this will do this is something new01:34:11
10th century colonialism is an era01:34:15
nation state ended01:34:16
world wars, well, everyone understands01:34:19
that this will end in a new world war01:34:21
only so scary that she sweeps away01:34:23
all my life from the face of the earth that's all01:34:26
Well, yes, everyone wants peace and I really01:34:29
I want Well then let's finish01:34:33
Let's try to determine, I'll ask you what01:34:36
you believe what you bet on internally01:34:39
weapons and assistance from the collective West01:34:44
on the morale of the Ukrainian nation01:34:50
Naka miracle what's for you today01:34:54
priority listen Well01:34:58
look on the Western side about 50%01:35:02
global01:35:04
GDP means the GDP of the United States somewhere01:35:08
about 19 trillion01:35:10
dollars Russia 1.7 1.6 China 8.3 together01:35:16
There they are together, half of the American people01:35:20
there is China and Russia01:35:22
together with all the countries of the European Union01:35:25
Japan Korea Well, part of it01:35:26
the collective West is out there somewhere01:35:28
45 percent, let's start with the simple ones, they are in01:35:32
able to support Ukraine01:35:35
Taiwan Israel and others so to speak01:35:40
conditionally01:35:42
speaking01:35:43
So these theaters of military operations01:35:46
Long enough with money, weapons and01:35:49
other stuff, it’s a joy to learn about it01:35:51
produce 2 201:35:54
M7 2.7 million it seems or 2.5 million shells01:35:58
per year Which means the European Union is there together01:36:01
cannot produce less than a million and01:36:03
this is joy, that's why it's such happiness01:36:06
it's just happening, well, I'm honestly from01:36:09
such an eternally archaic understanding of01:36:11
how it was arranged in the past01:36:14
times are simply Modern Army01:36:17
The United States does not count on01:36:19
artillery [ __ ] rasla like Israeli01:36:22
By the way, the army is visible today only on01:36:24
aviation and that's why they never01:36:26
produced shells they use01:36:27
aviation Why President Zelensky01:36:29
asks for F16 all the time because there is none01:36:31
no aviation, no fighter aircraft01:36:35
so to speak, bomber aviation01:36:37
Accordingly, aviation will appear01:36:39
just like he thinks I'm small01:36:41
specialist but it’s clear what it will be01:36:43
completely different size resources01:36:45
they are able to help drain the money01:36:49
Ukraine Why? Well, from what side?01:36:52
what's the point of this just to01:36:54
lose That's what I talked about the World Cup a little01:36:56
no one had a view of the world before01:36:58
it will go therefore the most important thing is here I am01:37:00
I think to be strong in conversation with attitude01:37:03
strength may already be completely different Well01:37:06
as if others don't care Yes of course it will01:37:08
talk about peace, of course everyone will sit down01:37:11
they will definitely say, of course01:37:14
that no one01:37:15
suspects changes possible changes01:37:18
in Russia what is nezhin01:37:21
kanuka miracle as they said hardly anyone01:37:23
I think it's unlikely that this will happen01:37:26
well everything will be fine01:37:27
happy to celebrate, they'll be there later01:37:30
celebrate a couple of thousand years like this01:37:31
happened with01:37:33
feat of the Victors of the Makoveis here01:37:38
Well, that means everything. And if so, then it means01:37:42
you have to be as strong as possible01:37:43
demonstrate strength on all fronts01:37:46
on economic on military01:37:50
fnm diplomatic and so on And then01:37:52
you can talk and you can impose01:37:54
some more or less reasonable conditions01:37:56
otherwise it won’t actually work out A01:37:58
what did the Ukrainian leadership do these 201:38:01
years it tried to unite the West into01:38:03
with the support of Ukraine it did it yes01:38:05
Ukrainian leadership exists today01:38:08
and some problems related to questions to01:38:11
him Well, they will solve these issues Listen01:38:14
this does not concern the essence of the conflict01:38:17
creatures of war Yes, there are questions about01:38:20
about how it's going there, what's happening with01:38:22
money must be answered What happens to01:38:25
corruption must be answered must be accepted01:38:27
solutions What is happening to the economy01:38:30
do Well, who said that this is no one for01:38:33
Ukraine will not be allowed to live off01:38:35
Ukraine itself must provide constant assistance01:38:37
develop But this is in the interests of Ukraine01:38:39
it means it will be so, it will be useless01:38:42
today talk about any others01:38:44
solutions today unfortunately01:38:46
we live in a world not only moral01:38:48
such a dichotomy and unfortunately01:38:52
situational, we either think it’s necessary01:38:54
defeat that the forces of good We believe that with01:38:57
this side of the force of good but at least in01:38:58
because there is something here01:39:00
an idea of ethical standards here01:39:02
this side no one considers possible01:39:04
violate the borders, that's all we agreed01:39:06
At least we're talking about this: war01:39:08
- this is not a way to solve problems, but with01:39:10
on this side are those who believe that Yes01:39:12
you can take it, you can come up with something01:39:14
left story here about there well01:39:16
no matter DPR LPR So let’s start further01:39:20
expansion and so on, if we01:39:23
we believe that we are on the side where01:39:24
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