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their talk is about China China China00:00:05
but China is not an animal Africa00:00:08
we have never been colonized by China00:00:11
China was our protector00:00:14
if one of your opponents who has a00:00:16
history of overthrowing your governments00:00:18
who has the history of exploiting your00:00:21
natural resources unfairly00:00:23
if that person suddenly put00:00:25
establish military capacity in the00:00:27
middle of your country how would you00:00:29
feel00:00:30
we see it as the beginnings and facts00:00:34
the very Advanced beginnings of an00:00:36
effort to recolonize Africa we think00:00:39
that the West recognizes that Africa is00:00:42
increasingly moving out of their control00:00:45
and they're trying to reverse that they00:00:48
recognize that now for example there's00:00:50
China in terms of trading relations in00:00:54
terms of financing in terms of00:00:55
infrastructure support00:00:57
Africa has alternatives00:01:00
and I think they're worried about that00:01:02
so we see the military00:01:05
intensification of militarization00:01:08
in two ways one00:01:10
fundamentally suppress our own people00:01:13
the the bases are directed at us00:01:16
to prevent00:01:19
Insurrection prevent Rebellion prevent00:01:22
the00:01:24
overthrow of unpopular leaders00:01:26
but they also00:01:28
plan and actually articulated00:01:30
as an effort to exclude strategic00:01:33
competitors well the Americans have not00:01:35
hidden00:01:38
the reasons for those bases00:01:42
they have made it very clear00:01:45
is to protect American interests00:01:49
in Africa00:01:51
what are the American interests in00:01:52
Africa00:01:54
the American interests in Africa is not00:01:56
to protect the African people00:02:00
that's not an American interest00:02:03
one discernible American interest in00:02:06
Africa00:02:07
is minerals00:02:09
to protect their access to strategic00:02:12
minerals00:02:14
today drsc holds about 70 percent of the00:02:18
world's cobot deposits00:02:21
Zambia which is a neighbor to DRC also00:02:23
has got huge deposits00:02:26
Niger hold 70 of the world's uranium00:02:30
deposits00:02:31
drsc has uranium Zambia has uranium00:02:35
Namibia has uranium00:02:38
these are strategic minerals00:02:40
these are what the Americans are00:02:42
protecting00:02:43
protecting from who00:02:46
from us the Africans the owners of these00:02:48
minerals00:02:49
certainly not00:02:52
they are trying to protect00:02:55
to monopolize these minerals these00:02:58
strategic minerals00:03:00
protect keep away00:03:02
primarily China00:03:04
their talk is about China China00:03:09
but China is not an enemy of Africa00:03:12
we have never been colonized by China00:03:15
there's no single African country that00:03:18
was a colon of China00:03:20
even today China has never colonized and00:03:23
is not intending to colonize an African00:03:25
country00:03:27
China has never shown any Imperial00:03:30
interest in Africa00:03:32
China was there with us00:03:36
in our Liberation struggles00:03:38
China supported us00:03:40
when the waste was colonizing as China00:03:43
was helping liberators00:03:45
China was there to defend our00:03:47
independence00:03:49
economically and otherwise00:03:52
for instance my country Zambia00:03:55
it was blockaded00:03:57
all our neighboring country00:04:00
were still under colonialism we had no00:04:03
access to the ports00:04:05
from Mozambique from South Africa from00:04:08
Namibia from Angola00:04:10
but there was no proper Road there was00:04:12
no proper there was no rail00:04:15
we asked00:04:17
the Americans the British to help us put00:04:20
up a rail system00:04:21
to the port of Dar es Salaam they00:04:24
refused00:04:26
president nyerere of Tanzania came on00:04:28
behalf of Zambia and Tanzania00:04:31
to ask the leadership of China and the00:04:34
chairman Mao00:04:36
joy in line00:04:37
for help to build the rail00:04:40
China at that time did not have the00:04:43
capacity but China said there's no way00:04:46
they have to do it00:04:47
they immobilized both the human capital00:04:50
the materials that were needed the00:04:52
finances that were needed00:04:54
it was a very difficult task00:04:57
China did not have that type of rail00:04:59
infrastructure in its own country00:05:02
but the Chinese people were ready to00:05:04
build that for us00:05:07
and in the process China lost the00:05:10
seventh00:05:11
of his own citizens obviously people00:05:14
in the construction of that layer00:05:17
the remains of those seven Chinese00:05:20
people still lie in Zambia00:05:23
we have seven Chinese people buried in00:05:26
Zambia today00:05:28
we have Chinese00:05:30
solidarity that will never be forgotten00:05:34
that will last forever00:05:35
at that time China did not have a single00:05:37
mind in Africa00:05:39
they did not have a single cooperation00:05:41
operating in Africa00:05:43
not a single one00:05:46
so it was selfless00:05:49
Noble assistance00:05:52
to fellow brothers and sisters00:05:55
China has continued even now when it's00:05:57
doing well to cooperate with Africa00:06:01
if you go to Africa today you see a big00:06:03
hospital00:06:06
99.99 percent00:06:08
probabilities that it has been built by00:06:12
China00:06:13
if you see a big airport today that is00:06:16
new in Africa00:06:18
it's a very high probability that it has00:06:20
been built by China00:06:23
if you see a rail network that is new00:06:27
know that it has been built by China00:06:29
you see a big bridge that is new it has00:06:32
been built by China00:06:35
China is there for us00:06:38
yes there are challenges here and there00:06:41
and the Chinese authorities are dealing00:06:43
with each other those challenges00:06:45
and in the first place let's not forget00:06:48
that our only colonization was done00:06:52
with military00:06:53
with Force brutal force00:06:56
it was maintained with brutal force00:06:59
it is being continued today in a new way00:07:02
again with militarization of the African00:07:04
continent00:07:06
whenever there's resistance to their00:07:08
mining interests00:07:10
they have not hesitated to use the00:07:11
military00:07:13
so part of the militarization that we're00:07:16
seeing of the African and African00:07:18
continent00:07:19
one is to protect their minerals and to00:07:22
ensure that they enjoy the use of the00:07:24
exploitation of these minerals at the00:07:26
exclusion of China00:07:29
and the others were Progressive00:07:32
you know I think that the story00:07:35
of the Tanzania samian Railway00:07:38
is a very very important one I always00:07:41
get excited when I hear you you're00:07:43
talking about this00:07:44
because there's a way in which I think00:07:47
probably younger Chinese00:07:49
see that as just00:07:52
China's investment China supports to00:07:54
Africa00:07:56
in the way that they see China00:07:58
Chinese companies active in Africa today00:08:01
without the context that you provided00:08:03
that at that point in time many of those00:08:06
African countries many African countries00:08:08
had a higher GDP per capita than China00:08:11
did but it was a massive sacrifice on00:08:15
the part of China00:08:16
it was solidarity00:08:19
China didn't set up a military base00:08:22
as the condition00:08:24
for for building the railway00:08:26
China hasn't established any military00:08:27
bases around Africa so I think that00:08:30
younger Chinese people may not yet have00:08:33
contextualized00:08:35
the Tanzania Zambia Railway properly so00:08:38
this was not you know00:08:41
the current China which is the largest00:08:43
economy in the world building a railway00:08:45
this was China in in the it was the 70s00:08:48
or early 60s it's an entirely different00:08:51
proposition it's an entirely different00:08:53
context I mean the contrast you see for00:08:57
example the militarization if you look00:08:59
in the Sahel region in Nigeria00:09:02
the largest drone Air Base in the world00:09:06
is in Nigeria00:09:08
and you mentioned the00:09:10
the uranium mine initial00:09:12
now that's mine alone Council one third00:09:15
of France's electricity00:09:17
it's one of the poorest places on Earth00:09:20
and they're sitting on one of the most00:09:22
valuable resources in the world00:09:24
and next to it you have this huge00:09:26
American drone base00:09:30
so it is impossible for people in that00:09:33
area00:09:34
to rebel against the conditions they're00:09:36
doing open pit uranium mining00:09:39
the people in that area are poisoned for00:09:41
Generations there's a strategic resource00:09:43
there00:09:44
to protect it from Africans00:09:48
and also to exclude competitors like00:09:51
China and so on00:09:53
so I I really get excited when you tell00:09:55
that tons of story it's not something00:09:57
people need to know in life is always00:10:00
very important to be clear about things00:10:02
and to be clear about things sometimes00:10:04
it's better to understand the history00:10:08
the history of things the history of00:10:10
events00:10:13
they are militarizing Africa today00:10:16
when we are not asking them to come and00:10:19
help us military00:10:20
when we wanted their military assistance00:10:23
they denied us00:10:25
in the late 70s mid 70s late 70s00:10:29
when Zambia was being bombarded00:10:33
by the apartheid regimes00:10:35
in erodesia now Zimbabwe and South00:10:37
Africa00:10:39
we had no air defenses00:10:41
to protect ourselves00:10:43
and to protect the00:10:45
National Liberation forces bases00:10:48
we asked the Americans00:10:51
to sell US Air Defense systems00:10:54
naughty to grant us but to sell us they00:10:57
refused00:10:58
the British also refused00:11:01
including the Soviet Union refused00:11:04
the only country that came to our Aid at00:11:08
that time was China00:11:10
China gave us mig-21s00:11:14
and a few tanks00:11:16
and that equipment is still there today00:11:18
and China did not have much at that time00:11:21
but they sacrificed00:11:23
an entire Squadron00:11:25
of Migrant ones and gave us00:11:30
the same thing in Ghana I mean we00:11:32
weren't actually bombed and so on but if00:11:36
you read the correspondence00:11:38
between the British00:11:40
Colonial officers who then became00:11:43
Foreign Service officers00:11:45
you read the correspondence the person00:11:47
in Ghana the person in Kenya the person00:11:50
in the home office in London00:11:52
now if such a person comes back and says00:11:55
building a military base you cannot00:11:57
possibly think that it is in your00:11:59
interest definitely it's not our basis00:12:02
it's their basis00:12:04
and they are honest about it and to00:12:06
exclude strategic competitors yes yes00:12:09
because they are not protecting us from00:12:11
China China was our protector yeah it's00:12:14
not only on the military front00:12:17
that they want to counter China00:12:19
when China started they built and Road00:12:22
initiative00:12:24
and00:12:25
infrastructure projects were started in00:12:27
Africa roads Rail and so on00:12:32
they decided in their own ways to00:12:35
counter China's infrastructure programs00:12:38
by setting up their own that's the00:12:40
Europeans and the Americans00:12:42
they have come up with a00:12:44
a program of 600 billion dollars00:12:48
over a period of five years00:12:51
to build infrastructure in Africa to00:12:53
counter China's influence00:12:56
so there is nothing Noble about what00:12:59
they wanted to do in Africa there's00:13:02
nothing about Africa that they want to00:13:04
do in Africa is purely in their own00:13:08
interests selfish interest00:13:11
but we know00:13:13
that projects like that that are not00:13:16
based on a noble and selfless sentiments00:13:19
are worthless00:13:21
likewise00:13:23
Noble00:13:24
programs Noble projects that are not00:13:27
best or inspired by fair and correct00:13:30
ideas are also worthless00:13:33
it's not the first time they're promised00:13:34
in Africa this00:13:36
and the poor world00:13:38
a few years ago they had promised to00:13:40
take three percent of their gdps00:13:44
to the development of the poor world00:13:47
how many of them have even contributed00:13:50
five percent of their GDP00:13:52
near to zero00:13:55
none00:13:57
so we'll be very happy if it is 60000:14:01
billion they have promised00:14:03
for African infrastructure and00:14:04
investment00:14:05
actually materializes00:14:07
and they are saying it's going to come00:14:09
from private and public sources that in00:14:12
itself is problematic it's problematic00:14:16
it cannot be guaranteed how can they00:14:19
guarantee what privacy00:14:21
investment will be00:14:23
how can they guarantee00:14:26
on what terms are they going to bring it00:14:28
in00:14:30
we know private investment to come00:14:32
follows profit00:14:34
so how is it going to match00:14:37
the belt and Road initiative projects00:14:40
again00:14:42
everything for them is in their own00:14:45
interests in their interest to counter00:14:48
China 's influence in Africa but what is00:14:51
China's influence in Africa00:14:53
we have a relationship with China that00:14:56
will be very very difficult to break00:15:01
A friend in need is a friend indeed00:15:05
they sayDescription:
If the West really thinks China helping Africa to gain influence is a bad thing, the best thing it can do is help Africa even more. In this episode, President of the Socialist Party of Zambia, Fred M'membe, and the convener of the Socialist Movement of Ghana, Kyeretwie Opoku share with us an African perspective on "Africa's China problem". Prof. Fred M'membe was named as one of its World Press Freedom Heroes by the International Press Institute. He supported the liberation struggles in southern Africa and other parts of the world with a true spirit of internationalism. Kyeretwie Opoku is a committed socialist and a strong supporter of the African integration (Pan-Africanism).
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