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Greetings to the viewer of a living nail. My

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name is Vasily Polonsky today.

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Especially for you, your personal name will be

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Oleg Kashin Oleg. I greet you, good

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afternoon, good afternoon, yes. Before we

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start, we need to say our obligatory

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our topics with Oleg are not enough for us, I will definitely

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rebroadcast if you

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add something from yourself that we will miss with

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Oleg, then I will definitely also

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re-contract this broadcast on my social networks

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And we we start in Moscow 15 hours 0 minutes We

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are working live Oleg I would like to

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start with a topic that is related to your

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geographical place of stay, this is

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London the other day you had a talk about the

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Palestinian action, how did it even happen,

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maybe you even went to

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see it with your own eyes No, I didn’t go

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regarding and observed the participants of

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the action who dispersed from the scene of

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events along the road Sorry in pa No, in

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fact, it’s natural As in the whole world

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there are protests in support of

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Palestine, I don’t share that kind of

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simplifying yes Pathos of commentators

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who say that we are talking only about

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Arab diaspora no Of course, there are many

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non-Arabs and non-Muslims who support the

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Palestinians today, this may surprise you. If you have

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watched the watering of the world

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intellectual mainstream in the last

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20 years, well, since it

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is clear that today the events are unprecedented,

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but still there was a BM and there were others,

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some exciting ones the whole world of the topic Yes, and

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we can say that Great Britain even

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now, as it were, When

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hundreds of thousands of people go to rallies, it is still not the

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epicenter of any

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confrontation, but I repeat once again, I did not

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witness the rally itself, I went to the

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pope and least of all pretend in order to

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be a PWM British

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correspondent, the other side

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turns out Well, today we are just

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finding out with our colleagues Who came up with

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the story about Daniil Granin, who

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allegedly discovered a woman in Buchenwald

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who once, while watching the smoking

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stoves, looked in the other direction and

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it seems that this is not Daniil Granin,

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the investigation continues wildly

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interesting, but how could I, too, know how to go the

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other way, it’s true, but such a

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question I would also like to talk about England, there is

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a feeling

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that in Albion, in the big Albion,

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they completely forgot about the topic of Ukraine, so the

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main British newspapers passed before our broadcast, their

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websites and well It’s as if Ukraine remains there,

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but it’s somehow already playing a bit of a secondary

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role. Do you have this feeling?

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in the British economist

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and the sensational investigation of Simon

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Schuster in the half in the American and

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probably the episodes also add up

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to the overall picture which, in my opinion, has already

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become a consensus that everyone is tired of the war,

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the war has obviously reached a dead end and we must

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wait for some kind of intermediate outcome

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that will not suit anyone, but obviously

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will bring peace. I, too, to be honest, hope

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for this denouement; moreover, probably right

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at this moment, I don’t know

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how closely you are

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following my conversations, but to be honest, from the

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very beginning of the war it seemed important to me.

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Yes, this is the distinction that even

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condemning Putin for the war is necessary to remain

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Russian and not to be such trances

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who, accordingly, at some point

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made up the general majority, so

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only now, when I once again repeat

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the expectation that, well, roughly speaking,

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Ukraine will not achieve its original

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war goals, will not return to the borders of the

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ninety-first year, that is, not will be

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the Victory that many have dreamed of, both here

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and here, only now I can

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allow myself to wish the Ukrainians good luck

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in the sense that, yes, it is clear that

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for them today these months are Yes, the end of

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2023 is probably morally, first of all,

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not the best and yes the feeling is the feeling

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that they once called zrada, it is

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about that, I watch

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your broadcasts carefully, I carefully watched

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your last broadcast in which you

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called me a pro-Kadyrov journalist, a

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journalist who profess pro-

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Kadyrov views, this of course is

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absolutely not the case with you and me there

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was just a skirmish after the murder of Nemtsov, I

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even banned you on Twitter, but that’s a thing of the past.

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Therefore, if it’s important, Facebook

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caught you in the fact for the second time and in

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City, which is banned in Russia. Well, in general,

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if you’re not talking about Kadyrovsky, then I’m only

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happy about it because naturally about

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Kadyrov’s people are not our friends, this is

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true. And I wanted to continue

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this topic a little with you, related to, as it were,

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topics in Europe, so we see the situation in

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France, a neighboring country where Mrs.

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Lipen is the daughter of a man who, in general, was

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caught making anti-Semitic not only

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statements, but also In essence, direct actions

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are going to a

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large protest related to the

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Palestinian-Israeli conflict, but with

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slogans against anti-Semitism, from your

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point of view, it doesn’t seem a little

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cynical when the right in France, who in

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general are, well, sort of Companions lipen, it’s quite

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clear their attitude has always been towards the

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Jews especially in the nineties at the beginning of the

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2000s, it now comes out with such

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slogans, well, you know, dear Vasily, here

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again here in the UK

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Once there was a case when some Toli

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taxi driver or courier mistakenly ended up in the

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BBC studio and was

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interpreted

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in general on this topic Let's go straight away

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Then I’ll

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go directly to it. In general, it is generally accepted that the

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right in Europe support Israel, the

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left supports Palestine. But in Russia, in

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general, we have a bit of a

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mess with these concepts of right and

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left because right-wing liberals are often

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considered simply right

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and left-wing liberals are simply considered left

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and so on, from your point of view, is

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this so, is it generally

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built in the world that a country that

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still adheres to right-wing views

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And the Israeli side is closer to it and the left has

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always been on the side of

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Palestine or No, well, after all, this is the word

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of the left that I myself often use it

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as a curse word, despite all its inaccuracy, it

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seems to me to be the correct

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designation for that Well, I don’t know what to

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call it, not social Yes, but a group of people of

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the mass Yes, who accordingly

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adhere to understandable views, that is,

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for some time now it has really become

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very simple even if you know the position

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of a person only on the topic of global

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warming, you can, like from a

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dinosaur bone, reconstruct the weight of Ost’s

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skeleton and find out what he thinks about the

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Arab-Israeli affairs and

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about the BLM of the same thing And even

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about Regarding Ukraine, that is, it is clear

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that from the original there, I don’t know, 100 or 200

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years ago there was little left of the division between left and

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right, but in general,

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today it’s probably more correct

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to call those people left who pose an idea,

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and any idea, as a rule, they

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prefer to designate it with some

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signs of a scientific theory because it’s

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more pleasant not just to believe Into ideology, but

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to believe that it is the only true

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teaching. So they put this idea above anything

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else, and Yes, as we are now

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seeing, precisely in the example of the

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Arab-Israeli conflict,

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they find themselves in the camp in which they

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once could not imagine themselves in

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nightmare, as for the fact that

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people who historically have always been

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anti-Semites today suddenly realized that when

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choosing between Arabs and Israelis,

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they choose Israelis because

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they seem to be more dear, roughly speaking. Well,

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probably there is an element of some kind of hypocrisy here,

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but still Yes, it’s clear that

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anti-Semitism in itself is evil, and

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probably absolute evil, and people who

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once considered

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Jews to be a legitimate object. What is

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called attack? Yes, since we do

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n’t like these people, anti-Semites, we condemn them,

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and so on, you can call them that

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historically, they suddenly discovered that they don’t like Jews

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that in addition to the good old

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Jews there is some new one Another new

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stranger against the background of which the Jew, I repeat,

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becomes a native therefore this kind of

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evolution seems natural to me but also

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Frankly speaking, again because

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Well, here is the Russian side Yes, which

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now, as it were, formally observes

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the neutrality that is there regularly

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breaks into loyalty to the

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Palestinian side more than once. Yes,

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over the course of all these 20 years when

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Putin’s government, still

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young and timid in comparison with what

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is now, tried to play the card of

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monopoly on defending the results of

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World War II, it obviously

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suggested itself to be an ally with

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Israel, that is, the logic is approximately the logic is

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approximately the same, but I will say again that our

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time

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quite confidently and often breaks all the previous logic.

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Yes, and it destroys it even now, right here.

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Probably the same example of this collapse of the

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previous logic. Yes, I absolutely agree with you. I was

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especially surprised. I too

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I looked at the pages of the Telegram

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channel of various right-wing activists and

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people who have now started to, as it

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were, this fashion, start Telegram

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channels and write about what is happening, how

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the war is happening in Ukraine, and I was

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amazed that these people of right-wing views in

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Russia support Palestine, although Well, it’s

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like there until 2014. These people Well,

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publicly, both on Facebook and on Twitter,

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they wrote completely the opposite things, but what do you

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think, this right-wing Russian movement,

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which divided in 2014, was

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divided into those who are for the war in Ukraine

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and against the war in Ukraine and now it also

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divided in his sympathies for Palestine and

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Israel Or you just don’t know, you do

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n’t have something like that, I just wanted to

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ask you, but you and I know what

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position is acceptable for the Russian

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volunteer corps regarding the

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Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I

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suspect that they are for Israel, why -

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although, although when I interviewed Denis

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Kapustin, he emphatically told me that

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they do not take Jews into the corps. Well, on to the

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question of mixing this logic. Well,

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in my next window in the chat,

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my friend showed up, who, if

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you remember in 2010, was an anti-fascist, yes then

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anti-fascist anarchists participated in the

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attack on the administration of Khimki and I was

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then impressed because Well, what

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is Antifa in those years, it’s clear that

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they had a poster or I don’t remember specifically.

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At this event we defended the

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Russian Forest or we will defend the Russian Forest

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written in Slavic script at the same time there was a

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slogan in the same script on the

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Russian posters against fascism and it

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gave the impression of Well, such a

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conscious game of cognitive

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dissonance, that is, a person accustomed to the fact that

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this kind of rhetoric Russian Forest and

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this kind of design are used only

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at Russian marches And here are the Antifa women with the

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same poster and here to the question

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Let's say of course already At what

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minute at the twelfth minute on our

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conversation on the question of Hitler Yes, it’s

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clear You’re an old European right-winger Yes,

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you hate Arabs because, again,

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this is the most relevant xenophobes you love

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Hitler and so you go out there, I don’t know

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where, on the street coming towards you is an Arab

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who, hating Israel, shouts Hitler

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was right in everything and here you are for Hitler and the

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Arab you hate is for Hitler and how

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not to go crazy here I think

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it’s really difficult Well, it’s quite

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difficult to meet an Arab who would shout

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Hitler was just not Well, I see which

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would probably be atypical and probably

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refer to yesterday's Finding of the

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President of Israel Duke If you

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saw that the book Maqam discovered

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somewhere in the gas basements, it probably also

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went, but nevertheless Yes, the references to

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Hitler I'm literally there because,

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again, there are

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a lot of Arabs there in one two

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handshakes there in the Student environment

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in some other regularly unironically I see

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just such indications in the box that

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Hitler was right. But of course

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I don’t have sociology, but again, to be honest.

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Well, Lord, but we also observed everything in the Dagestan

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segment of social networks

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these discussions about Jews in the

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forties, of course,

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there is no sociology, but probably yes. Well, after all, let’s say

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you’re a narrow-minded

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anti-Semite. Or rather, a person is starting

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to be an anti-Semite, and in the first one,

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your first thought is just I don’t know. Ani, the brazen ones

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stole everything there and are behaving defiantly yes,

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and the second point Yeah, who else fought with them

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Hitler Here is my favorite example

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about our wonderful writer

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Vladimir Soloukhin, I won’t get tired of

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citing it, a man who, in the deepest

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Soviet years, and being a member of

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the party, wore a gold ring with the profile of

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Nicholas II, wrote breakthroughs in the sixties

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absolutely books like Letters

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from the Russian Museum where for the first time Yes said

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there comrades Yes why do we say

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comrades Let's say sir at that

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time it was Wow or Why is the ancient

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Russian city of Samara named after some

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Kuibyshev and this is how he wrote wrote

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these books and his last book

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is called the last stage, about

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dialogues with Ilya Glazunov, where just before our

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eyes we see how they,

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discussing the sinister role of the Jews of Soviet

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power, come to the only conclusion,

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yes, yeah, that means the architect they called

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Hitler an architect, the architect was right. On my

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word of honor, I admit that

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some kind of anti-Semitism is possible that does not

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come to a head Yes, but I have never

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observed that people who are Yes

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begin to think something Here the Jews are the

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same Yes, so that after a couple of iterations they

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would not reach the point I don’t know how to

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deal with this be it, but as if

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Hitler really hangs over this

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topic, there’s no escape from it, let’s,

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I want a few questions because you

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said the first question, doesn’t it give

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you even the slightest doubt as a

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journalist, but what the President of

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Israel showed And

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of course it does for the makam That there is even if

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he found it is not incorrect from the point of

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view of presentation because Well, I don’t know,

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I also have a mcf book in my library

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and if the President of Israel

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finds it in my home, this does not mean that

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he ended up in the lair of some

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terrorist beasts, of course and it’s an amazing

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thing, we and the Russian Russians laughed

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at our propaganda, which was

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found somewhere in Yarosh’s business cards. It’s

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amazing how uncritically we treat it

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when we see the same techniques from the other

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side, but once again I’ll tell us a

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specific cringe episode from the life of a

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specific Israeli president, this is not at all

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does not affect either the rightness or the

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wrongness of the bodies, I would have to beat you up against you, you

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crossed the people who are somewhere in the public pages of

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Dagestan. And I visit quite a lot, yes,

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these are also special cases, just in

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connection with this, I have a question, from

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your entire speech we can draw a conclusion which is

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impossible Well, as if publicly calling out Well,

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as if protesting against the actions of the

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state of Israel because anyway

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it will all turn into

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anti-Semitism Well, really, who

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said that if you don’t want to turn a

00:16:02

gas station into a parking lot, who said that

00:16:05

automatically you are becoming an anti-Semite But

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here on our native

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Russian-Ukrainian soil, in my opinion, it’s

00:16:11

easier to explain, you can condemn Putin’s

00:16:13

war, aggression against Ukraine and everything that the

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Russian government does without becoming

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what we call a trance,

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it’s possible, but difficult. Yes, and during these two

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years we have repeatedly observed how people

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don’t feel this line even in the finale Yes, we

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see there I don’t know Gary Kasparov

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selling at auction the camouflage of a

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Russian prisoner Yes Contrary to all the

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customs and traditions of war, probably It’s also

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possible not to share the policy of the state of

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Israel and not be anti-Semitic at the same time;

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moreover, to be somehow

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Absolutely convincing Yes, a

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anti-Semitic man starts a speech and says

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yes, it’s as if Israel is committing a

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war crime, a humanitarian

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catastrophe blah blah blah and beyond. It’s

00:17:01

impossible to stop, I don’t really know

00:17:04

what’s going on. But even I agree

00:17:07

with you that it’s not there I absolutely pretend

00:17:09

that my idea of

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Dagestan public pages is somehow more detailed than

00:17:13

yours. But still, this is what

00:17:15

happened both at the airport and near the

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Flamingo Hotel. Yes, what was it called? Well, probably you’re

00:17:21

not in a hurry to look at it, actually, there’s a

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word against a word, we saw a specific one

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fact, yes, a lot of people gathered at the

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airport, they were looking for Jews, there was probably a

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problem. Yes, they were looking for Jews, not

00:17:33

employees, personally guilty

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of some violations of the rules of

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warfare, they were just looking for Jews. Yes, maybe

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from your point of view there is a problem, it’s

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just that the BBC filmed a great story

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about Jews who live in Dagestan,

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who, of course, were shocked by that

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event, but of course they do

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n’t have any problems there. And in general, of course, name them. Yes,

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well, let’s probably confuse everyone. There are also

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people there again, whose

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roots have grown into the same Derbent. Yes,

00:18:01

we were talking specifically about strangers, about visitors,

00:18:04

about those who allegedly evacuated from

00:18:08

Tel Aviv, of course here. Probably

00:18:10

there is a difference, but also our

00:18:13

viewers and listeners probably watched

00:18:14

Kantemir Balagov’s film, crowdedness. It’s true about

00:18:17

Kabardian Balkaria, but probably it quite

00:18:19

adequately shows exactly the complex

00:18:22

life of the Jewish Diaspora surrounded,

00:18:25

again, by our beloved

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Caucasians of the Muslim

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faith. Well, Kabardian Balkaria,

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everything is quite complicated there with Islam, that’s a

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separate conversation. And yes, in the Caucasus,

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everything is complicated everywhere with Islam; there is no pure

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Saudi Arabia anywhere. Let’s say there, it’s

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true.

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I wanted to move on to my favorite topic.

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Yesterday I just listened to Russian Russia

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report on the observance of human rights

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to the UN, yesterday there was a broadcast of

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just my life, everything was

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brilliant there, and I think that you are some kind of

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clippings,

00:19:00

here’s to you as an Foreign Agent there was

00:19:03

a wording there, I’ll even try to

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quickly find it now if I succeed that

00:19:09

Well, in short, in my own words It’s simple

00:19:11

But the representative of the Ministry, Ekaterina Kudeli,

00:19:14

answered that the status of a foreign agent

00:19:16

is not a loss of rights and added

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that it is impossible to talk about large-scale

00:19:20

persecution of NGOs in Russia since

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only

00:19:25

524

00:19:27

organizations

00:19:29

operating in the country have been declared foreign agents In general, this is

00:19:31

like the Foreign Agent himself. How does this

00:19:33

amaze you? By the way, I think I’m

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quite right. Seriously, yes, but these

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statistics themselves. Yes, remember this story

00:19:39

about, in my opinion, the first secretary of the Tula Regional

00:19:42

Party Committee, who, counting from the

00:19:44

growth of the cultural development of his region,

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said that before the revolution we had

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one writer in the Tula province Yes, Leo

00:19:51

Tolstoy, and now we have 28 members of the

00:19:54

writers' union, of which there are, like, five poets

00:19:57

and seven playwrights, naturally I believe

00:19:59

that in Russia there are a million NGOs, relatively

00:20:02

speaking, there are Russian officers or young

00:20:04

assistants there of the Federal Service

00:20:06

security or just some

00:20:08

neutral ones, I don’t know the defenders of the

00:20:10

defenders of historical monuments without any problems,

00:20:12

but how many were said there, how many

00:20:14

organizations recognized as agents

00:20:16

something suggests, especially since everything is

00:20:18

heard from there I don’t know the shelter of the VF Anna

00:20:21

Rivina and to some lawyers

00:20:24

who provide legal

00:20:27

support to those detained at the rally Yes,

00:20:29

it is clear that those organizations that

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work and those organizations that

00:20:33

bring more headaches to the authorities, they

00:20:35

first of all find themselves in the risk zone and

00:20:37

as for Yes, since I No, I am not

00:20:40

an individual, by the way, I confuse the media all the time,

00:20:42

but nevertheless Yes, this is a loss of

00:20:44

rights. Well, probably when you are physically

00:20:47

removed from Russia, it is not very

00:20:48

painful. Although at some point

00:20:51

I lost the opportunity to use my

00:20:54

account in Citibank, that is, I can use it in the

00:20:56

Russian Citibank, that is, I can

00:20:57

use it, they directly referred to legally

00:20:59

agents, but only with the help of a phone, the

00:21:02

application and website are now inaccessible to me, I

00:21:04

don’t know why, but I still don’t have any money in

00:21:06

this account, everything was spent

00:21:09

on fines for non-use for non-

00:21:11

use of this label, and I

00:21:13

think it’s serious to say that

00:21:16

labeling some individual

00:21:18

public subjects with this

00:21:21

humiliating label really does not humiliate no

00:21:24

Lord what is her last name the woman from Yust

00:21:28

here is Mrs. Kudeli this is humiliating and if such a thing

00:21:31

happens in your life Yes, you

00:21:34

have lived to the point of

00:21:35

labeling you too I think you should too it will be

00:21:37

unpleasant and just like that, well, I think you

00:21:39

also saw when some of my colleagues

00:21:42

at the agency receive this title, they

00:21:44

rejoice and congratulate each other on

00:21:46

Facebook and so on and so on, in

00:21:48

my opinion this is just wrong,

00:21:49

because to congratulate you on what you

00:21:52

there I don’t know they spit on your head Yes in your face

00:21:55

It’s not very right really

00:21:57

be surprised when they humiliate you as they

00:21:59

once wrote on the cover of Big

00:22:00

City magazine under Philip com Yes Sorry that

00:22:04

uh news from the party there is only a

00:22:07

dyer who is constantly upset on Twitter

00:22:08

that there is a dyer Yes Well

00:22:10

He’s also

00:22:13

now a fairly active speaker on the Israeli topic and it’s also

00:22:16

fascinating to read him. I advise everyone. And

00:22:17

if you haven’t read it, it’s really

00:22:19

interesting because it’s like an excursion

00:22:23

into when you haven’t heard anything about the Nabi and

00:22:27

Palestine-Isra conflict. That’s me that’s what

00:22:29

I call it, it’s really interesting and Well, it’s

00:22:32

like a student who says If you have

00:22:34

a note, then let’s

00:22:36

go and take the final smoke Well, it’s really

00:22:38

interesting, and by the way, the reaction to

00:22:42

him doesn’t surprise you, that he’s trying to

00:22:45

somehow figure it out on his own, he doesn’t accept

00:22:47

some really super side, he’s

00:22:49

just trying to figure it out himself and the reaction to him is

00:22:52

where sometimes both One and the other Rona most

00:22:55

often of course people who would support

00:22:57

Israel,

00:22:58

well, only with obscenities people write no one is

00:23:01

ready No one is ready for any discussion No one is

00:23:02

ready for What kind of conversation No well I

00:23:06

probably don’t agree with your assessment here. In

00:23:07

the sense that this kind of timid

00:23:10

attempts to figure it out, that is, even to

00:23:12

portray naivety. Explain to me

00:23:15

why, as if in this conflict, one

00:23:17

side or the other is right after all, Ilya

00:23:19

the dyer. I think specifically Ilya

00:23:20

the dyer passes through a separate

00:23:22

category We remember, again, that episode

00:23:24

with the New Yk Times column and about us

00:23:26

failing as a nation when, in

00:23:28

principle, he also said things that were quite obvious at

00:23:31

that time, but he said them so I don’t

00:23:33

know, maybe with such a facial expression

00:23:35

and with such intonation Well, it happens Yes, when

00:23:37

a person tells you J 24 and his face is

00:23:39

such that you want to immediately tell him to go

00:23:42

to hell and jump on him on his

00:23:45

corpse and say No, J 25 happens and that’s

00:23:47

where I don’t think that this is somehow even a

00:23:50

negative trait of Ilya. Well, how if only she was

00:23:52

like this Yes, we need to keep her in mind and

00:23:54

certainly does the image of the inker

00:23:57

decorate our media party

00:24:00

landscape at this time? It’s great without him I don’t

00:24:03

know No, compared to that article It’s

00:24:05

much more interesting And I think it’s

00:24:07

much more productive because that is,

00:24:08

you probably argue less with the fact that the

00:24:11

Russians have failed as a nation, but

00:24:13

no, I’m just you By the way, I

00:24:15

was there, you were talking about the Russians as a

00:24:17

nation, the Russians as a nation, I think that

00:24:20

this is a big separate discussion not for the 35

00:24:23

minutes that we have left and

00:24:25

they failed or not a Listen I

00:24:27

wanted They they we we we Well

00:24:32

you a a a a you are Jews Excuse me or are you I

00:24:36

have Jewish blood there is different

00:24:38

blood I am many nationalities within myself and and for

00:24:42

everyone along one and the other line A

00:24:46

look, I wanted to ask you about another

00:24:48

question. But this is, well, this is like this report from

00:24:53

Russian representatives of the Russian

00:24:54

authorities, and then there’s the News of the Prosecutor’s Office and

00:24:56

someone else, and so on, why is this necessary for

00:24:58

2 years, we Well, for almost 2 years we have

00:25:00

n’t heard this at all, only there Dmitry

00:25:02

Anatolyevich Medvedev sent everyone from his Twitter

00:25:04

and said that

00:25:06

Well, now we’ll press the nuclear button and

00:25:08

that’s it And we’ll destroy you, what kind of manifestation of

00:25:11

such sudden love is this and an attempt to report to a

00:25:15

senior in rank Well, I have the

00:25:19

only version, yes What would you like it to be like?

00:25:21

this girl from the Ministry of Justice was fired and her

00:25:23

department was reduced and people would go there, some

00:25:26

to the labor market, some

00:25:29

probably yes, literally people would come and

00:25:32

they are unlikely to want to give up this business, firstly, and

00:25:34

secondly, it has also been

00:25:35

demonstrated more than once that the Russian

00:25:37

state system is like any other in

00:25:38

fact, it’s probably very inert And

00:25:41

just when Dmitrievich Medvedev’s position

00:25:43

regarding the fact that all the enemies and even the

00:25:46

Greeks and lazy people who lie there under the palm tree,

00:25:49

when Medvedev’s position reaches

00:25:51

all floors, let’s say the Russian miyu,

00:25:55

maybe they will stop traveling, and it’s also

00:25:57

typical if they drive name

00:25:58

means they are allowed in And also there a year ago it

00:26:02

was not so obvious, maybe

00:26:03

these are also signs of an imminent agreement, no Well,

00:26:06

yes, I wanted to talk about this, I

00:26:08

just have a feeling that peace is now Well,

00:26:11

in a month, in two, in six months,

00:26:14

in a year, Ukraine will conclude a peace treaty

00:26:16

and Russia on any terms

00:26:19

and everything will be on track as before, you

00:26:21

don’t have that feeling. Well, to be honest, that

00:26:24

is, besides the fact that such a

00:26:25

political science forecast probably

00:26:27

seems the most realistic, I

00:26:30

psychologically don’t really understand that

00:26:32

after those words that were said to

00:26:34

each other and deeds which were made, that

00:26:37

is, I remember a cartoon from a

00:26:39

Soviet magazine, I think it was called an eccentric for the

00:26:42

tenth anniversary of the beginning of the First World War,

00:26:44

when a man and a woman are sitting at the table

00:26:46

and she asks him why you are

00:26:49

silent and the second one is like a frame and such a

00:26:51

mini comic and he has under the foot under

00:26:53

the table instead of a foot there is a protest and he says

00:26:55

Yes, I got a little sad, how many

00:26:58

people were physically crippled, how many

00:27:00

people were crippled there mentally, I don’t know

00:27:02

how many people simply promised

00:27:04

themselves not to forgive and will not forgive, that is,

00:27:06

maybe they will forgive there, I don’t know in

00:27:09

50 years, but for now not ready and I don’t believe Yes, that it is

00:27:12

possible to return to the state of the twenty-

00:27:14

first year, again this is an

00:27:15

expression that implies that

00:27:17

the War goes on continuously until the fourteenth

00:27:19

year and a full-scale invasion is of

00:27:21

course hypocritical and wrong because

00:27:23

Yes, there was, as it were, an outbreak of war in the

00:27:25

fourteenth and fifteenth year

00:27:28

much smaller in scale than what we

00:27:30

have now and there were what 7 years of

00:27:32

relative peace and to consider what

00:27:34

started there, I don’t know with the annexations of Crimea, as a

00:27:37

continuous process that is going on

00:27:39

now is probably not very correct.

00:27:41

Therefore, even what in mythology already

00:27:44

became war in the twenty-first year

00:27:45

The twentieth and what preceded

00:27:48

February 24 Probably this is an

00:27:50

unattainable, unattainable ideal for many years, that is, yes, you

00:27:53

can stop shooting, but how can you

00:27:55

look there? Elementary in the eyes of a

00:27:57

friend, that is, well, there you probably

00:27:59

also have Ukrainians with whom you

00:28:01

normally interact in life in

00:28:03

life in everyday life But again, it’s one thing Yes,

00:28:05

you’re drinking vodka in the kitchen there, and another

00:28:07

thing is you’re meeting a stranger Ukrainian,

00:28:09

and I don’t even know where in the hall

00:28:11

of the European Parliament Yes, and he says I fought,

00:28:13

And you say, But I didn’t fight Well, word

00:28:15

for word and a fight Well, I think there will be a lot of

00:28:18

this, of course And I can’t imagine how to avoid this,

00:28:20

absolutely all the local

00:28:22

wars that once seemed like a

00:28:24

traumatic experience, conditionally Afghanistan

00:28:26

Well, you fought there in Afghanistan, you burned down

00:28:29

some village, yes And it’s likely that you

00:28:32

will later meet with people from

00:28:34

this village are zero And here you really have to

00:28:36

constantly live in the same neighborhood and constantly

00:28:38

try to overcome this trauma and

00:28:41

probably cannot overcome it because

00:28:44

Well, yes No it’s true It’s very

00:28:47

difficult listen What are you talking about I

00:28:49

left Russia for Latvia car and

00:28:52

well,

00:28:53

I met hundreds of people who were traveling from

00:28:56

Mariupol, from Lugansk, from Donetsk, from

00:28:59

Kharkov, from whom they crossed the border,

00:29:03

went through Russia to Europe because

00:29:05

they could not leave Ukraine, and so

00:29:06

on. In general, I met a lot. But the most

00:29:08

interesting thing is that this is what you are talking about about

00:29:10

these fights in general, there wasn’t even a conversation,

00:29:11

maybe because it all

00:29:12

happened on the territory of Russia, but I

00:29:14

also met Ukrainians in different parts of the

00:29:16

world and in my own case. Well, this is my personal

00:29:19

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00:29:21

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I heard in your stream that you discussed

00:31:32

this topic in yesterday’s Margarita Pavlova

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who is

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giving birth to

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people in general, she doesn’t need it at all, she’s like me

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about searchinform the

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and Public Service at President

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of Russia Apparently, in order to become a

00:32:02

senator in

00:32:03

the end and in parallel with this, there is a

00:32:05

second news that the State Duma

00:32:07

began to study the issue of banning abortion in

00:32:09

private clinics

00:32:10

and Patriarch Kirill asked the deputies to do this in

00:32:13

general, this is the topic of

00:32:16

abortion. Just when in the 2000s you already

00:32:19

worked as a journalist, I I was still studying at

00:32:21

school and at the

00:32:22

institute at the same time, the numbers on abortions were

00:32:24

absolutely terrible, there were about a thousand

00:32:27

million abortions per year, at some point there

00:32:29

were more abortions than children

00:32:32

were born. Well, I’ll interrupt right away

00:32:35

because you somehow they added

00:32:37

this to my 2000s

00:32:39

- this is still a continuation of the 1991s,

00:32:41

that is, a continuation of the Soviet

00:32:43

era when abortion was actually the most

00:32:45

popular most popular measure of

00:32:47

contraception. I think it would be more correct

00:32:49

to really compare with the

00:32:51

2000s, when I suspect there were

00:32:53

still fewer abortions than in denominated in no Yes, of

00:32:55

course, that’s not it at all, if you look at

00:32:58

the graph, it’s all falling very strongly, and by

00:33:00

now it’s fallen there, in my opinion,

00:33:02

six times or so, or even seven times. And

00:33:05

in connection with this, I have a question:

00:33:07

What is this because you're talking about

00:33:10

what you said in your stream about

00:33:11

how Kiriyenko is sitting there with no

00:33:13

news, and then he throws in this, but do

00:33:16

n't you have the feeling that this is some kind of

00:33:18

dialogue with this? a

00:33:21

conservative society that

00:33:23

supports Vladimir Putin

00:33:25

supports the war supports all this that is

00:33:27

happening, as if

00:33:29

look, we stand for conservative

00:33:32

values Here we are, and maybe even

00:33:35

we are so much so that we will even pass

00:33:37

these

00:33:39

laws about who sits where and

00:33:41

what comes up with my third news To the

00:33:44

two that you brought up, about the senator

00:33:46

shu and about abortion, I’ll add today’s

00:33:49

Volodin with the idea of abolishing the fee for

00:33:51

marriage but doubling the fee for

00:33:54

divorce, too, people are sitting here and wondering what

00:33:57

else they could do. I certainly agree with

00:34:00

you about dialogue with the majority Russians,

00:34:02

but I don’t think that it is being built In such a

00:34:04

format that you are the government there. Yes, and you

00:34:07

look there, millions of Russians, what do

00:34:10

they want? Yes, they are conservatives, they want there to

00:34:13

be no abortions. Rather, this is a dialogue

00:34:15

with the undecided Yes, the majority with the one

00:34:18

that always occupies Well in general,

00:34:20

no position yes Frankly speaking, that is, the

00:34:23

answer is yes to the question of sociologists, it is

00:34:25

usually a formal attempt here to

00:34:27

literally impose Yes on people this

00:34:30

new Yes constructed conservatism

00:34:32

because it is natural If there were

00:34:34

I don’t know the tradition of some Orthodox

00:34:38

or spiritual simply traditional

00:34:40

values There was If only we

00:34:42

could talk about something continuously for centuries,

00:34:44

and so when every time a

00:34:47

new ancient tradition of our people

00:34:49

is invented literally in the very same

00:34:51

offices of the presidential administration, it

00:34:53

certainly causes some kind of shock. Well,

00:34:56

indignation because there really are

00:34:59

relations between even the living generation,

00:35:01

it is clear that this is the generation of our

00:35:02

parents, but nevertheless, Yes, you can

00:35:04

ask them the attitude of living Russians

00:35:07

towards abortion; it is, of course, quite

00:35:09

natural. Let’s just say that,

00:35:13

indeed, there are shocking figures for the

00:35:16

Soviet early post-Soviet years. Well,

00:35:20

an attempt to impose Yes, this image of a

00:35:22

new conservatism is wrong

00:35:25

Orthodoxy interpreted victories and a lot

00:35:28

more with what Yes, probably it has

00:35:31

already

00:35:33

been crowned with some intermediate successes and probably the majority

00:35:36

that always answers yes is also

00:35:38

happy will answer the question,

00:35:42

ban abortions. I suspect that they

00:35:44

really will In the end they will be banned completely for now they will be

00:35:46

completely banned for now regions and

00:35:49

reports that in private clinics

00:35:51

there on our Crimean peninsula,

00:35:53

let’s say not a single abortion

00:35:55

will be performed; probably someday this will reach the

00:35:57

All-Russian level. Well, then the

00:35:59

Soviet people also went through this. Yes, after the

00:36:02

thirty-sixth year and in some

00:36:05

Western countries I remember My mother

00:36:06

worked in Poland in the nineties and

00:36:09

literally worked for us in Poland in the maternity hospital. Yes, and

00:36:12

these abortion tours came to us from Poland by bus

00:36:15

because there, just in my opinion, in

00:36:17

Wales

00:36:19

and Poland is a really Catholic country,

00:36:22

abortions were completely

00:36:24

banned and yes People went to the nearest

00:36:26

Russian cities It’s simple and inexpensive Well, and

00:36:29

probably some underground clinics or

00:36:31

even traditional healers nothing Of course

00:36:33

good, but as we have seen more than once for the

00:36:36

current government, it’s easier to

00:36:39

manage people who have undergone

00:36:42

archaization, let’s say so Well, here’s

00:36:45

Putin’s Russian Patriot for you will say to

00:36:48

all this, in general, who is now

00:36:50

watching you and me and he will ask, say

00:36:52

listen Well, what about you, if I’m not

00:36:54

mistaken, in my opinion, in Poland, abortion

00:36:57

is prohibited, he is your Americans, these

00:36:59

liberal ones, in general,

00:37:01

they have banned all these democratic ones. Look

00:37:03

in general at Eastern Europe and there in reality,

00:37:04

in Eastern Europe, not only, in my opinion,

00:37:06

in Poland, abortion is prohibited in some countries. Of

00:37:08

course, I may be

00:37:10

mistaken. But it seems to me that these are

00:37:11

several countries that are absolutely nothing. They live, they live, well, they live.

00:37:14

Well, they live. I’m already

00:37:17

really witnessing experience. Yes.

00:37:19

that at least they visited us in the

00:37:22

years of my teenage Sva Well, yes, and you are

00:37:24

correct, as if you are reproducing the rhetoric.

00:37:25

But for you Mary, there is actually

00:37:28

someone, in my opinion, Alexey Kovalev from

00:37:29

Medusa studied Yes, the interaction of

00:37:32

these American organizations that

00:37:34

spend colossal efforts on

00:37:35

lobbying for the ban on abortion and

00:37:38

these Russian structures, including those

00:37:40

close to United Russia, it turns out that the

00:37:42

real foreign agents are literally those

00:37:45

who, in cooperation with the Americans,

00:37:48

are fighting for bans on abortion in Russia, but

00:37:50

as they say, it is unlikely that the

00:37:52

Russian Ministry of Justice or the

00:37:53

presidential administration is interested or important

00:37:57

I think that, in principle, from us and from

00:37:59

people who,

00:38:02

well, don’t really know any traditions, everything was

00:38:04

broken repeatedly and was invented from

00:38:06

scratch more than once, I don’t think that it is possible to build a

00:38:08

real traditional society out of us, that is, yes, our

00:38:11

people there are not Neo Soviet

00:38:15

or Post-Soviet will pretend that

00:38:17

some other object there

00:38:19

is an incredible shrine for him and it

00:38:23

will always be so, but then it turns out that

00:38:25

it was forever until and until it

00:38:27

ended and naturally, every time

00:38:29

when some things are not obvious, yes until

00:38:32

some point Well who could have thought

00:38:34

a year ago that abortion in Russia would become

00:38:36

some kind of cornerstone of discussion,

00:38:38

these topics are accumulating

00:38:41

and they form such an obvious

00:38:43

post-puncture program

00:38:56

because in any case, yes, the

00:38:59

construction of this folk

00:39:01

morality and from above it is

00:39:03

artificial and I hope to take root and I

00:39:05

believe you can’t, you know, I have a

00:39:07

feeling that there are Gules in

00:39:09

Turkey who are, as it were, reforming Islam according to

00:39:14

some

00:39:16

values, either liberal or

00:39:18

democratic or civilizational

00:39:21

as they like to call them, but you

00:39:24

have your own perception of Russian this that’s

00:39:27

something Lenov is in Turkey No, I’m wrong

00:39:30

No, well, after all, he’s a Russian Patriot Yes, today

00:39:33

it’s like Russian, again Russian here

00:39:35

I am, but the Russian Patriot is

00:39:37

multinational, what will he say?

00:39:39

Work brothers, first of all, referring to

00:39:41

this Dagestan policeman, he he

00:39:42

will say that his grandfathers fought. He will probably

00:39:45

say that it is necessary to defeat Nazism in

00:39:48

Ukraine, and he will definitely say that we must

00:39:50

fight homosexuality from such a

00:39:52

set. Yes, from such pieces of ice the word is

00:39:55

eternity. Yes, or I don’t know, Russia will never

00:39:57

work out there, of course, it will never work out, that’s why it’s

00:40:00

here. Well, maybe be yes And what kind of a

00:40:02

Patriot really is? That is, I forgive him,

00:40:04

but in fact he is

00:40:06

much more complex and deeper. Well, the devil

00:40:09

knows, at least for now.

00:40:11

We couldn’t discern anything, that is,

00:40:13

literally Yesterday. That is, this is not very recent

00:40:15

news. Just yesterday. finally I got hold of the

00:40:17

November issue of the Young Guard magazine

00:40:19

Yes, the legendary Soviet still

00:40:21

conservative magazine Where in the November

00:40:23

issue was published an article by Nikolai

00:40:25

Patrushev about the collapse of the empire of parasites Yes And

00:40:28

here you are Reading it Yes, again, here is the whole

00:40:30

set of what they live for Well, there

00:40:33

Patrushev believes in I don’t believe it, but I don’t know,

00:40:36

in fact, that’s how a bid for any

00:40:39

alternative to the West still

00:40:41

seems to me that their set of slogans doesn’t

00:40:44

hold up, yes. That is, even in comparison with what

00:40:47

we had in the era of

00:40:48

Marxism-Leninism. Well, there was an idea

00:40:50

some kind of here What is the idea that the elu

00:40:52

Tonsky volcano Once a Fiend Well, it’s somehow

00:40:55

doubtful,

00:40:56

but of course, you know, I also wanted to

00:40:59

talk about this topic of abortion about another such

00:41:01

thing, it’s very popular. I think

00:41:03

it’s always been in post-Soviet Russia

00:41:05

about the fact that in general Here are the Russian

00:41:07

authorities, they are always even Putin’s, well,

00:41:09

this government always really looks at

00:41:11

America and always really likes everything

00:41:13

that the Americans do, so we will look at

00:41:15

the law on foreign agents Well, it’s just

00:41:18

like Vladimir Vladimirovich Well, every

00:41:20

time all the presidential administrations in all

00:41:21

the comments Well it’s just like the Americans.

00:41:24

We did everything like the Americans. And in

00:41:26

general, if you look at some

00:41:28

successive loud steps, a

00:41:30

lot was taken from the United States of

00:41:32

America. You see this love that one

00:41:35

truly has for this system,

00:41:38

especially and for the system of punishments.

00:41:41

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, which he

00:41:43

takes from the United States of America,

00:41:45

of course I absolutely can’t argue with you,

00:41:47

absolutely probably like For

00:41:49

every person

00:41:51

born in the fifties Yes, who found a shortage of

00:41:54

jeans, roughly speaking, and

00:41:57

I don’t know about chewing gum, of course

00:41:59

America will always remain for them

00:42:01

in any case hail on a hill And what kind of

00:42:03

relationship do you have with this hail, do

00:42:05

you want to become some kind of guest or a

00:42:07

full-fledged inhabitant of it, or, on the contrary, do

00:42:09

you want to burn it, it doesn’t matter how you

00:42:12

proceed from the coordinate system Yes Of course, that’s

00:42:15

another matter, which has also been said many times since it’s

00:42:17

there too a long time ago,

00:42:20

when you remember, they complained to Putin about the

00:42:22

dispersal of demonstrations, to which he quite

00:42:24

clearly demonstrated more than once that in

00:42:27

America they would simply have been shot. Yes, for some reason,

00:42:29

taking, as it were, the entire

00:42:32

array of our knowledge about the United States,

00:42:35

where, in addition to the fact that blacks are lynched, I do

00:42:38

n’t know that an independent judicial

00:42:40

system is acceptable, but still, objectively, for some reason,

00:42:44

our Crypto

00:42:46

Americans very carefully

00:42:47

filter out only what seems to bring

00:42:50

trouble

00:42:52

in our everyday lives, and any more

00:42:55

or less good

00:42:57

human-oriented things are

00:42:59

discarded. Yes, even like that there was an attempt to

00:43:02

instill on Russian soil Well,

00:43:05

actually this was before the revolution,

00:43:07

nevertheless Yes The jury in the end somehow

00:43:09

turned out that there is no Here it is an extra Law and

00:43:12

on agents Yes, the fight against abortion Yes, but

00:43:14

as if the jury is not permissible Yes the

00:43:17

jury canceled the main thing in fact, in

00:43:19

Russia Dmitri Anto Medvedev is the main

00:43:21

lyral, the main liberal of the

00:43:23

horse. I remember once there the lawyers and

00:43:27

liberals nodded their heads to him when he

00:43:29

did this at the congress of the public chamber, in

00:43:31

my opinion, or the human rights council,

00:43:33

something like this, and another big topic and

00:43:36

it’s generally him for us here inside Russia, it is

00:43:38

very important that the person involved in the

00:43:40

murder of Anna Politkovskaya, Sergei Khadzhi

00:43:42

Kurbanov, was released early Well, as if the logic

00:43:46

came out, it’s known where Yes, it is known

00:43:48

where Yes, it’s through his own hands That’s how I

00:43:51

understand that now it’s quite possible, but

00:43:53

they’re talking about it, I don’t know how much do

00:43:55

the authorities want to increase this period? Well, right there,

00:43:57

he fought for six months and then left. They

00:44:00

want to make it like a

00:44:01

year and a half to a year, but it’s unclear

00:44:04

how long the war itself will be with yours.

00:44:06

Well, yes, that’s just against the backdrop of the fact that

00:44:07

the mobilized have been repeatedly promised to

00:44:09

keep them on front until the end of the war Yes,

00:44:11

these six months sound like an additional

00:44:14

mockery, not only are you doomed, a

00:44:16

mobilized ordinary person has no convictions

00:44:19

to fight, it’s unclear how long you still see

00:44:21

how such, again, prison inmates of

00:44:26

wars for six months and 6 months, respectively,

00:44:28

end up at home. Nightmare Of course, there are a

00:44:31

lot of people with whom I

00:44:33

talk in Russia they are very afraid

00:44:35

of this, even I don’t know, no one here is

00:44:38

thinking about any nuclear strikes for

00:44:40

a long time,

00:44:41

but everyone seems to be afraid of this very

00:44:44

contingent. What do you think? Well, these are

00:44:47

really quite dangerous people who

00:44:49

went through prison and then after that left,

00:44:53

killed and returned to

00:44:55

how much can this

00:44:57

change a citizen? Well, how would the situation inside

00:45:01

Russia Not Moscow, St. Petersburg, but

00:45:03

inside real Russia Inside the

00:45:06

outback there, you know, it’s an amazing thing, I do

00:45:09

n’t want to break into

00:45:12

alarmism, I’m probably asking for alarmism And I’ll say that I believe

00:45:15

in the Russian cop after all, so what?

00:45:18

as practice has actually shown, it is

00:45:20

clear that on a much smaller scale

00:45:22

Yes, but nevertheless, Afghanistan and Chechnya

00:45:24

somehow, well, I will say, did not change our

00:45:27

social landscape much, but on the other

00:45:29

hand, what can we compare with without

00:45:31

Afghan Veterans? Yes, the nineties would have been

00:45:33

in Russia others are acceptable, but still, yes, I

00:45:35

repeat, I believe in the cop and imagine

00:45:38

that there are people there with military experience, people there who are

00:45:42

not afraid of a lot of things, people who are ready not

00:45:45

only to offend the weak, but also to somehow

00:45:47

defend their rights, by the way, that they

00:45:49

will somehow dictate the atmosphere on

00:45:51

Russian streets and in cities I hardly believe it,

00:45:55

first of all there are a lot of them after all. Yes, it

00:45:57

is clear that there are bright, noticeable in a bad

00:46:00

way bright figures like that

00:46:02

Kemerovo killer Yes, who

00:46:04

strangled a girl. But nevertheless, I suspect

00:46:07

that there is quite quickly no one talking about them won’t

00:46:10

remember Why, someone will be imprisoned

00:46:13

again, someone will die, relatively

00:46:15

speaking, in a domestic fight, and the

00:46:20

best ones will probably fit into peaceful

00:46:22

life normally, make a career and become

00:46:24

cops themselves, you caught yourself in a trap

00:46:27

because Sergei Khadzhi

00:46:29

Kurbanov is a

00:46:31

former Former police officer and believing in

00:46:35

the cop, you believe at the same time in Sergei

00:46:37

Khadzhi Kurbanov because, as you know, there are

00:46:39

no former cops. Well, yes. And in

00:46:41

fact, this conversation is probably about

00:46:43

how terrible it is that if dangerous people

00:46:45

end up on the streets, it makes no sense

00:46:47

precisely because Yes, dangerous people, as a

00:46:50

rule, wear shoulder straps in the Russian

00:46:51

Federation Well, it’s just amazing

00:46:53

I honestly didn’t think that I was for it, well, as if I just

00:46:56

needed to be ready for this,

00:46:58

apparently this is some kind of youthful

00:47:00

maximalism, but I was not ready for the fact that

00:47:02

I would go out, that I I will see

00:47:05

the people who killed the journalist Anna

00:47:07

Politkovskaya come out with an amnesty, most likely we will see

00:47:09

the people who killed Boris Nemtsov and

00:47:12

others, maybe they have already come out, the people

00:47:15

who killed Boris Nemtsov, yes Or

00:47:17

maybe we don’t know anything about them, we

00:47:19

don’t know anything about them yet, but like me I know how

00:47:21

I read some information in the twenty-

00:47:22

second year

00:47:24

that Dadaev Dadaev, in my opinion, the last name

00:47:29

Nahodi is in a pre-trial detention center and even for

00:47:31

something in a pre-trial detention center in a colony he was even fined for something

00:47:33

there, but now no information

00:47:37

is known to me, it’s just very I liked

00:47:40

that this is all that is now happening to

00:47:41

prisoners, this is in reality a

00:47:45

staging of a left-wing group of anarchists,

00:47:48

in my opinion they are Well, they are definitely anti-globalist

00:47:50

If I’m not mistaken, groups of porn films from

00:47:51

hinges are [ __ ] doors in Lefortovo, it’s like

00:47:55

everything is a dream coming true, yes literally Yes, it’s

00:47:59

like a dream coming true just in the wrong

00:48:00

direction, but I wanted to ask you Oh, there’s a

00:48:04

little Remarque, too, just

00:48:06

this song There this morning I listened to it and

00:48:08

also noticed that I’ve never

00:48:10

noticed that when spring bursts into an icy hut, the

00:48:12

hut melts And you

00:48:14

remain homeless too In general, nothing

00:48:17

good Yes, nothing good either, in general,

00:48:19

there is something to complain about In this

00:48:21

song, by the way, in my opinion, it is banned in

00:48:23

Russia if I’m not mistaken As it

00:48:25

should be, but while we were

00:48:26

talking here, great news

00:48:29

is falling that it was banned in the Kursk region

00:48:32

Fireworks until January 25, I just

00:48:35

honestly don’t fully understand from this news

00:48:37

From what date, but everything New

00:48:40

Year is also being gradually canceled in

00:48:42

Russia. Well, I don’t agree. I think that

00:48:45

Moscow has become prettier. It won’t deny itself this pleasure

00:48:47

and already during

00:48:50

In fact, of the current war, on May 9, there

00:48:53

could definitely be fireworks on City Day.

00:48:55

Although there were rumors that they were somehow being

00:48:56

minimized because in order not to

00:48:58

injure the people who survived

00:49:00

the flights, but the Kursk region is like the

00:49:02

Belgorod region. Yes, they are still in a special

00:49:03

position; they are front-line, so

00:49:05

there- then it’s logical to cancel this whole thing, and

00:49:09

since Yes, imagine what’s there

00:49:11

when let’s say on New Year’s Yes,

00:49:13

fireworks really start and

00:49:15

people think that they are bombing and maybe

00:49:17

they are bombing at the same time, it’s more logical

00:49:19

to avoid this, so here you won’t even

00:49:20

dare to even over Saltykovo

00:49:24

Shchedrinsky our officials are correctly

00:49:26

canceled Of course, it just

00:49:28

amazes me that they are generally allowed in Russia. In

00:49:30

connection with this situation, because when you

00:49:31

hear fireworks in Moscow, And you immediately

00:49:34

think 50/50, either Salute or

00:49:36

Fireworks or Drone, this is in St. Petersburg, I think I was in the

00:49:39

summer or spring and I’m going I’m walking

00:49:42

down the street during the day and I hear sounds, well, it’s like

00:49:45

fireworks or air defense work and my wife

00:49:49

says Yes, this air defense works more accurately Yes,

00:49:52

this is Fireworks, I say What kind of fireworks day

00:49:54

no one arranges fireworks during the day, but

00:49:57

listen, there really was air defense in St. Petersburg

00:49:59

Yes, I don’t know so Well, I didn’t understand this,

00:50:01

I was in the Putin center, it’s just like they

00:50:03

were like that, that I heard with my own

00:50:07

ears everything is possible in the Putin center - is this

00:50:09

a reservation or is there a Putin center there is no

00:50:12

Putin center That’s what I sometimes

00:50:13

call the center of St. Petersburg Ponya Sorry

00:50:16

by accident on air I made a slip from my

00:50:18

personal jargon and I always

00:50:21

end all conversations with elections, do you

00:50:24

expect these because now

00:50:25

new laws have been rolled out

00:50:29

that were signed today that a

00:50:31

journalist who is in the state

00:50:33

can film at polling stations

00:50:36

in military units can only be filmed by the

00:50:39

person to whom he gave the order

00:50:42

senior in rank and so on Do you

00:50:44

generally expect something from these elections

00:50:46

or events that will be connected with

00:50:49

these

00:50:50

elections, a completely local story,

00:50:54

then he was on the stream and

00:50:56

Boris Nadezhdin This is like a new

00:50:59

Sobchak, as everyone thinks, and I because I don’t

00:51:01

really believe that the Russian government now

00:51:04

needs a new common fund again, and I don’t believe

00:51:06

that the Russian government will take such a

00:51:08

risk to have an anti-war

00:51:09

candidate on the ballot. I still suspect that

00:51:11

Nadezhdin is bluffing. And in fact, he wo

00:51:13

n’t be allowed to participate in the elections. Well, that’s the

00:51:15

intrigue again, for a party

00:51:17

conversation, nothing more than as regards the

00:51:20

elections themselves. Well, we

00:51:22

haven’t seen Russian elections even in Peacetime,

00:51:23

it’s clear that somehow there’s no particular intrigue in

00:51:26

them, and yet, having

00:51:28

already survived so many presidential campaigns there,

00:51:31

and especially the State Duma which in our country are

00:51:33

somehow more historically dynamic Yes, understanding

00:51:36

that it’s all going to end with

00:51:38

some kind of colossal Well, at best,

00:51:41

wiring. But usually it’s more likely just like

00:51:43

some kind of blank wall, anyway, there’s some

00:51:45

hope for something, what if

00:51:48

indeed, 51% of Russians

00:51:51

will vote Yes, even if it’s because of Zyuganov,

00:51:53

yes What if something happens that will not allow

00:51:56

even the current system, which is designed for the Victory of the

00:51:59

candidate from the government Yes, it will not

00:52:01

allow it to work, it’s clear that there

00:52:04

is no reason to believe in it, and it’s clear that there is no reason to

00:52:06

go to the polls to vote No but why,

00:52:08

again, this little little

00:52:11

dream left there, I don’t know what

00:52:13

year since 2011 maybe Yes, not a flight

00:52:16

Moreover, it doesn’t affect anything, whether

00:52:18

you cherish it or not, it’s surprising that

00:52:20

the opposition, even in this situation, is

00:52:24

net Let’s all vote for

00:52:26

Yavlinsky that in general they only call him

00:52:29

Murzilka, no more and no less. It’s

00:52:32

as if there isn’t even such an option. It just

00:52:34

always amazed me. Well, if

00:52:36

again Belarus were populated by

00:52:39

our people, let’s say so, then of course in the

00:52:40

twentieth year we would have been from many many

00:52:43

many leaders of public opinion

00:52:45

would have been heard there Tikhonovskaya Murzilka Yes, it’s

00:52:47

better not to vote for Lukashenko Yes, well,

00:52:49

as they say, as Speak Yes, well,

00:52:52

again, today I just said

00:52:55

that all the critics of the authorities are like that and

00:52:57

really reminded me and Katz is not

00:52:59

like that, really Katz probably not

00:53:01

like that He’s just hoping for elections and

00:53:03

offers to fight for them and Let’s

00:53:05

wish Katz good luck And by the way about Boris

00:53:09

Nadezhdin It’s

00:53:11

just that we all knew him. I

00:53:15

think the general public didn’t know,

00:53:16

but you got the answer in a conversation with

00:53:19

him for Vali Why In general, he

00:53:23

does this with the provision of children and grandchildren,

00:53:26

it is clear that he means freedom. But

00:53:28

since this is also how people

00:53:31

provide their children and grandchildren, usually with

00:53:32

some kind of money. Probably this

00:53:34

sounded ambiguous and causes

00:53:36

some giggles, but there, despite

00:53:38

all the giggles, I somehow- then I have a completely

00:53:41

positive human attitude towards him, exactly

00:53:42

according to what you are talking about, we have known him for a long time, we

00:53:44

understand him, as it were, I don’t know the

00:53:47

weak strengths, this is the Barin

00:53:49

from Dolgoprudny Yes, well, as if, that is,

00:53:52

not a scumbag, not a scum, as it were, and

00:53:54

the word Murzilka is also not exhaustive

00:53:57

because I don’t know how the word

00:53:58

Murzilka generally applies to an intelligent adult

00:54:02

person. Yes, therefore, let it be

00:54:04

of course, and at the same time there will be

00:54:07

three election campaigns at once, it

00:54:10

will be the United States of America, perhaps

00:54:12

Ukraine and perhaps Russia But apparently it

00:54:15

will still be in As a result, a Do you think

00:54:17

this is a parallel that we have once every 12 years, as I

00:54:21

understand it, with this step of 6 years, the

00:54:26

sign of the zodiac coincides, here is the

00:54:28

president,

00:54:30

the presidency, elections in the States and elections in

00:54:33

Russia. In connection with this question, what do you

00:54:35

think? This can generally be like- or

00:54:36

influence the overall picture related to

00:54:39

Ukraine that elections should be held in the

00:54:41

three main countries of the three main

00:54:42

participants in this conflict Well, after all,

00:54:45

Russia is March. Yes, why in the year does Ukraine

00:54:48

not understand when the sleepy states are in November and

00:54:54

it turns out the beginning of the war said that

00:54:56

Putin hopes? in Western countries,

00:54:59

again, the current government will leave,

00:55:01

some more tolerant populists will come,

00:55:04

obviously Yes, in the United States it’s

00:55:05

about Trump. But it still means waiting until

00:55:07

November next year, that is, another year

00:55:09

in this state where there seems to be no

00:55:12

news from the front but is constantly storming

00:55:14

Avdiivka, people are constantly dying, after all,

00:55:16

because who is subscribed to all these

00:55:19

channels Yes, like grief, and here they observe

00:55:21

that somehow the loss figures are still not

00:55:23

zero, but I’m not sure that I can live another

00:55:26

year in this state - This great,

00:55:28

so I would just like to hope that there

00:55:32

is no connection between events and the American elections. And if there is, then on the contrary, it

00:55:34

would be better if Biden, wanting to prove

00:55:38

that he is great, would somehow try to

00:55:40

bring this whole matter to its logical

00:55:42

conclusion long before November. Yes, it will be

00:55:44

interesting if Putin will postpone the elections to

00:55:47

December 2 of the third year Let's go to

00:55:52

the third Yes, it would not be at all If

00:55:54

for December rego it would be interesting at all,

00:55:56

but by the way, you see the

00:56:01

picture after the elections, this one is negative,

00:56:04

as if not the one you just

00:56:06

described with ours hope Yes, there is hope for

00:56:08

all people not from political views And

00:56:12

except for Putin’s

00:56:14

Patriots, Putin wins the elections and

00:56:18

what’s

00:56:19

next, after all, it’s fashionable to expect a

00:56:22

second wave of mobilization before

00:56:25

the elections, they won’t dare So that it doesn’t

00:56:27

affect the rating as if

00:56:29

Indeed, we have some kind of direct

00:56:31

dependence on the dissatisfaction of citizens and

00:56:33

with the numbers in the elections. But I think on the contrary

00:56:36

that the Kremlin usually, as was also the case

00:56:38

in 1918 and 12, after the

00:56:41

elections it relaxes and begins to live according to

00:56:43

some kind of its own program and We we will discover

00:56:45

something completely different

00:56:48

That is, even the Thaw Yes, today there are

00:56:50

some leaks in the news there

00:56:52

Telegram channel So I think the toad writes

00:56:55

that Margenstern seems to have agreed

00:56:56

to return Well, let’s say that after

00:56:58

the elections Margenstern will return, someone

00:57:00

else will be forgiven for this iconic like

00:57:02

Urgan, how many years have we been waiting on

00:57:05

Channel One Yes, maybe Urgan will return

00:57:07

What is it But seriously What changes can there be,

00:57:09

again, while the system remains

00:57:12

the same I think none And even if

00:57:14

the war suddenly ends, the war will

00:57:16

end and Putin and Putin and Putin not

00:57:19

over yes this is our only hope

00:57:22

that

00:57:23

Ver

00:57:25

after the elections Thank you very much for you

00:57:29

yes For you this broadcast was hosted by Vasily

00:57:30

Polonsky personally yours was Oleg Kashin

00:57:32

Thank you very much for liking almost

00:57:34

1000 likes finish off before we

00:57:36

left

00:57:37

4785 people watched us as I understand there

00:57:39

were a lot of comments in the top at the moment, but

00:57:41

unfortunately we somehow didn’t have time to go through

00:57:45

all my questions that I had

00:57:48

Thank you all and see you after us

00:57:51

if I’m not mistaken yes Be

00:57:53

sure to watch the Popin course on live yeah

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