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all00:00:04
beings I see that Andrey Kuraev has joined us00:00:06
Vladimir Mensky Irin00:00:10
morning spread Hello00:00:14
Unreid Is it possible to start with you probably with00:00:19
Tikhon Shevkunov he was appointed head of the00:00:21
Crimean Metropolis00:00:28
and let’s say he00:00:38
reacted Yes probably I00:00:42
hope I can’t00:00:46
hear you now I can hear you what is00:00:49
Crimea ra What is Crimea was in in Ancient00:00:54
Greece Byzantium00:00:57
Kolma is00:00:58
Kolma For us it is Crimea and for them it00:01:02
was a place where people did not live00:01:06
normally, they exiled Chrysostom and00:01:10
Clement there Yes, the Popes of Rome to the00:01:14
Kolyma, so I am to the00:01:21
Kolyma resort Well, you saw it, yes You Andrey00:01:24
Probably00:01:26
saw this yesterday,00:01:30
in fact, that he was00:01:34
sent there in the first place, why such a00:01:36
comparison and if he really00:01:39
compares it with a coma, why was he00:01:43
sent there? I think that this is some kind of00:01:46
sad diagnosis of our entire00:01:48
church system in general, what when does it reveal a00:01:50
person begins to speak00:01:52
calmly alive with a sense of humor00:01:54
Irony itself then all sorts of00:01:57
conspiracy theories begin and so on the fact00:01:59
that Crimea is Kolyma Well, I myself00:02:02
spoke about this many times when I touched on the00:02:04
history of Crimea, the history of the Byzantine00:02:06
Empire and so on, yes this is a fact This the00:02:08
extreme northern region of the Roman Empire00:02:11
And when it was pagan And when,00:02:13
accordingly, it was the Byzantine00:02:16
Empire and And when it was not even00:02:19
an Empire but simply Greece with its polis00:02:21
system, these Greek colonies00:02:24
were carried far beyond the seas and the00:02:26
northernmost ones, of course, this is Crimea again Yes and it00:02:28
is clear that these are again the northernmost00:02:30
colonies of the city of Geno already in the Middle Ages.00:02:34
It’s so simple, you know. Once I saw a00:02:36
wonderful map of the world published in00:02:38
Australia and it was somewhat00:02:40
unexpected, that is, everything was00:02:42
upside down. So Australia, the00:02:44
Pacific region was in the center And we00:02:47
we are accustomed to the fact that on the world map Russia00:02:49
should be in the center. And this is such a00:02:51
Moscow center and our history of perception,00:02:54
so it affects the00:02:56
Mediterranean world in the cradle of00:02:58
civilization,00:03:00
this is the Northern dangerous outskirts and00:03:03
traditionally this is a place of exile, this is the place where00:03:06
all sorts of adventurers like Odyssey00:03:08
But in addition, this is also a place of exile, and00:03:11
when there was a period when Christians were expelled from the Roman capitals,00:03:15
let’s say from large cities,00:03:17
sometimes they were also expelled00:03:20
there, so in a sense, the history of00:03:23
Christian Crimea goes even earlier00:03:26
and faster than the history of some regions of the00:03:28
Roman Empire00:03:30
Yes so it’s worth remembering and it’s worth using00:03:33
this strange phrase Crimea is00:03:35
Colma to shock people In order to00:03:37
break up these points of00:03:40
the resort Balde that Crimea is the south this00:03:43
is a palm tree this is all good By the way I’m not00:03:45
sure that there were palm trees back then let’s say00:03:48
2000 years ago, I’m not sure that there were Palm Trees in00:03:50
Crimea. I’m afraid that it was already Soviet00:03:52
and Soviet import there or00:03:54
Russian Russian More precisely, the00:03:56
Russian Empire. Forgive me, there were00:03:58
no eucalyptus trees there. They were brought00:04:00
relatively recently in the century, they were only00:04:03
on the coast of Abkhazia in Sochi, and so00:04:05
further, yes So it’s just that Well,00:04:10
I said for a historian the things of a culturologist00:04:13
the thing is obvious and the desire to project00:04:15
this onto the Real Kolyma with the political00:04:18
meaning of some kind of modern Kolyma of00:04:20
the Stalin years, but these are already some00:04:23
guesses,00:04:24
this was said and00:04:28
then sent This is some kind of routine00:04:31
history, that is, in This is some kind of00:04:33
symbolism, too. You shouldn’t look for it. This is a00:04:35
link or promotion on the career00:04:39
ladder. Well, probably we need to00:04:42
distinguish between the first, a certain assessment of the00:04:44
person in whose life00:04:47
this happened and the objective00:04:49
consequences and objective consequences -00:04:52
this is an undoubted00:04:53
promotion. That is, if you look from the00:04:56
outside then the person gets a00:05:00
big plus in his00:05:03
biography because he00:05:07
finds himself at a point that00:05:09
is in the center of media attention, he00:05:13
is at a point where to a00:05:15
much greater extent than in the Pskov00:05:17
land. Today some kind of00:05:20
global history is taking place and of00:05:23
course his, let’s say,00:05:26
his00:05:28
audience00:05:30
she positively00:05:32
assesses this special water industry00:05:44
[music]00:06:01
the possibility of refusing those in any of your pro00:06:03
in any Moscow imm00:06:06
office Therefore, there were no problems with this,00:06:10
but here his lobbyist power she triples00:06:14
from this point of view this is a plus What could00:06:18
be the minus of the distance from Moscow00:06:22
the Internet does not matter00:06:28
except civilian but military special board00:06:31
constantly and he, of course, has00:06:33
access to these military00:06:36
special board telephone and so on, also00:06:39
here there is no isolation in this00:06:42
sense he will not have a risk Yes there is, but00:06:46
Tikhon is a man of faith, a monk for him00:06:48
this is not a problem, it’s more likely that this is00:06:51
what Well, rather, it excites and gives special00:06:56
vivacity in00:06:58
prayers00:07:01
Tikhon Shevkunov, he has known Putin since00:07:04
1999, when he00:07:06
headed the Federal00:07:08
Security Service here, this probably gave rise to a lot of00:07:11
rumors and misunderstandings, and even the00:07:16
new one was assigned that he was supposedly the confessor00:07:20
of the president, but important stories were written that00:07:23
most likely it’s not true about the confessor.00:07:25
Well, acquaintances communicate, how would you00:07:28
assess the00:07:29
influence of Tikhon Shevkunov on Vladimir00:07:35
Putin? I didn’t have the opportunity. What is00:07:38
called natural in their habitat00:07:40
to observe them, but the fact that this contact exists00:07:43
and it’s old? It’s definitely another matter that it’s this particular one The00:07:47
connection between Tikhon and Putin00:07:50
shows how by the end of the 2000s things00:07:53
had changed and the times of Ilva’s Eurasian society had changed00:07:57
and by the end of the BC the opposite00:08:02
had happened. Yes, and my father had never been to the00:08:05
Lubyanka. He really loved the mountains that00:08:08
Yari00:08:10
of the Lubyanka, and what’s more, he once00:08:12
told me that I feel like a bishop00:08:14
at the court of Emperor Constantine when00:08:17
everyone in the century when every day00:08:19
all sorts of high imperial officials come and00:08:21
ask to be00:08:28
baptized00:08:30
As a go-ahead, I know that it’s time for us too.00:08:34
So this contact is there. Well, I00:08:38
think that for Putin, teen is a man,00:08:41
first of all, a man, that is this is exactly the one00:08:44
with whom00:08:45
you can joke like that and so on,00:08:49
that’s what Patriarch Kirill doesn’t have at all,00:08:58
but another story: he is a person who is00:09:01
not equal to his clothes, not equal to his00:09:04
rank, his position,00:09:07
and some people know how to appreciate this,00:09:10
some people I think that Putin is00:09:12
too a more interesting important00:09:15
emphasis is the question. This is about the influence of ideas,00:09:21
that is, it’s one thing whether Quiet can influence00:09:24
some administrative personnel00:09:26
decisions, I don’t know whether he00:09:29
uses it or not, whether00:09:31
Putin consults with him about these issues, who will we appoint as00:09:33
minister or00:09:34
governor, although Yes, he once00:09:37
told me that back in the old days, it00:09:41
seemed that Putin asked him who00:09:43
some would recommend. The governor00:09:45
was then in another war against00:09:48
corruption, and Putin had the hope00:09:50
that if the governor was a00:09:52
believer, then maybe he would be afraid to00:09:53
steal there will be less And in this00:09:56
context he asked what00:09:58
recommendations00:10:00
But then I didn’t hear anything like that from him again,00:10:02
but the question is more serious,00:10:04
much more serious This is a question00:10:07
about the picture of the world and here I think that00:10:11
yes, in many ways the picture of the world that is in the00:10:14
head Putin has00:10:17
it largely laid down there by conversations, maybe some00:10:20
books or films that he00:10:23
received from Tikhon Shevkunov, it could00:10:27
be something like that,00:10:30
but as I understand it, there is00:10:32
an opinion that it is Tikhon Shevkunov who00:10:36
may be behind the persecution of director00:10:38
Kirill00:10:40
Serebrennikov, not some very old00:10:44
story no now I don’t remember in detail00:10:47
Andrey Vyacheslavovich I wanted to00:10:50
know this I have a global one probably in00:10:58
now between Israel and Hamas in general these are00:11:02
these wars00:11:04
and which are based on the00:11:07
interethnic area on the religious area00:11:11
this Well, that is, it’s endless the process00:11:15
is generally a light at the end of the tunnel, there may00:11:17
be00:11:23
some kind of light. Well, look, I didn’t add a00:11:27
religious factor here, firstly,00:11:30
Israel has very zero good relations00:11:33
with many Muslim countries,00:11:35
including Egypt, even Saudi Arabia,00:11:37
Qatar, and so on, and the second thing we see00:11:41
again and Among00:11:44
Muslims, the position is that the state of00:11:46
Israel should not exist, it has already00:11:48
ceased to be00:11:50
mainstream, which is why in this00:11:54
case I think00:11:57
that00:12:02
in00:12:04
real estate, land ownership and Well,00:12:08
accordingly, the fact is that there are people00:12:11
who want to incite00:12:14
hatred, they use00:12:16
religious themes for this, this is undoubtedly00:12:19
But again in order to restrain them,00:12:27
it is necessary to focus on peace and not on the search for an00:12:30
enemy And motives for war,00:12:34
but as00:12:38
one Christian missionary in00:12:41
India once said back in the 10th century. When it was still possible00:12:44
to express it in a non-politically correct way, he said00:12:47
that the powerful tree of Hinduism can only be cut down by the00:12:51
ax of the shaft of which it is made from00:12:55
himself on00:12:57
bomz it is00:13:00
called inculturation of the00:13:01
mission, and here, too,00:13:04
only Islamic theology can defeat Islamist terrorism,00:13:07
no, if it is00:13:10
accompanied by an aircraft carrier, this will also,00:13:11
of course, help make it more00:13:14
convincing, but00:13:16
still, you need to speak with Islamists in the language of00:13:20
Islam, but the EU is a little bit nasa but00:13:27
VIM territory Yes, Azerbaijan took00:13:30
its territory there Nagorno-00:13:33
Karabakh Yes, but we saw how the Armenian00:13:35
population fled from there after all, because it is00:13:37
precisely this interethnic00:13:40
and yet some kind of religious issue00:13:42
that still00:13:43
exists, yes no Well, it undoubtedly exists, so00:13:47
who00:13:48
denies it? Uh-huh. Well, in your opinion, this is not the00:13:52
main factor. Now it’s still there,00:13:54
and you can somehow do something with it,00:13:57
somehow work. Well, Israel believes that the00:14:01
main question now is simply00:14:02
to destroy the launchers rocket launchers00:14:04
cannot change Islamic theology; they cannot00:14:06
destroy Islam, much less Islam. Yes, but00:14:09
just to ensure some kind of00:14:12
security, all these underground00:14:14
communication passages of the Armed Forces, this is a terrorist00:14:17
metro, a terrorist underground00:14:18
infrastructure that is on00:14:20
gases, that is the main question there.00:14:29
Well, it’s clear that it’s not Hamas that they are coming out with Yes, they00:14:30
are coming out in support of Palestine, but many are00:14:33
saying that civil war is00:14:35
actually just around the corner there, they are at the00:14:38
door. Well, in Europe, this is a different question, a00:14:41
question of such a00:14:43
Vad university mainstream, I00:14:46
would say this applies to American00:14:48
universities, this also applies to Europe to a large00:14:50
extent. In00:14:51
general, of course, Europe00:14:54
still has to seriously00:14:56
think about the question.00:14:59
Well, is it worth supporting this particular vocabulary and00:15:04
this political00:15:06
mainstream and identifying with it?00:15:09
Well, this is a very complex topic,00:15:13
too,00:15:15
it’s not only00:15:18
students who come out to protests in support of the00:15:22
Palestinian civilian population,00:15:24
many migrants also come out who00:15:27
are currently in the European Union and here I would just like to00:15:33
see your position, it says that this is, well,00:15:37
Europe on the verge of some kind of Civil00:15:41
War, or is this really a00:15:43
reality that may very00:15:45
soon knock on the door? No, I don’t think it00:15:48
makes sense to use the word00:15:50
civil the war is too early, but00:15:53
fortunately, but if it’s just migrants00:15:56
going to rallies in support of Palestine,00:15:58
that’s normal,00:15:59
but the fact is that many00:16:02
European citizens and residents also00:16:05
think it’s necessary to take this position00:16:08
publicly00:16:10
about the00:16:12
Palestinian cause, and so on, and many Mameds00:16:14
too European Americans are working00:16:16
precisely in this direction, so I00:16:19
think that this is a serious00:16:21
problem and the problem is, after all, a00:16:24
philosophical one,00:16:26
here is the problem of selective00:16:31
empathy, the problem in the00:16:35
end Yes, the problem of acceptable00:16:39
egoism Yeah, national ethnic00:16:43
confessional state00:16:44
egoism and so on, in general, the problem is00:16:48
one’s own where are these borders That’s exactly00:16:52
what you know. This is the case when00:16:54
Christian rhetoric coincides with00:16:57
libad. That’s why it’s00:16:59
so difficult for me to00:17:02
talk about this here and that’s why the same00:17:05
Pope is constantly attacked by00:17:08
the right, that he understands too much with00:17:11
migrants too much with the left. Yes, that’s00:17:14
how - what is missing in NM is such firmness in00:17:16
protecting the Christian00:17:27
shrines of the living vaz with Masha Mars00:17:30
last week they held a vote, I00:17:32
don’t remember how amazingly she00:17:34
formulated it, but the question00:17:36
was: are you worried about the civilians of00:17:39
Palestine and 70% of the audience of the living nail00:17:43
which I voted said yes We00:17:45
we are experiencing this is important for us and it seems to me00:17:49
that thinking about these people who00:17:51
are in a humanitarian catastrophe00:17:54
that is unfolding and00:17:55
is getting worse is also part of Christian00:17:59
and just somewhat human00:18:02
philosophy Yes, that’s what I said yes Well,00:18:07
about the level of empathy you really00:18:09
said very important but everyone here00:18:10
probably somehow chooses for themselves, but it’s00:18:12
monstrous for me to hear from the outside It would seem that there are00:18:16
people close to me in spirit with00:18:19
liberal views who almost00:18:21
Forgive me for these Terrible words00:18:22
that I’m about to utter, but who00:18:24
almost say directly that it’s better there00:18:26
let Well, if a Palestinian00:18:29
child dies, it’s clear that there are collateral losses.00:18:32
And here are some similar00:18:34
expressions, how to treat this in general,00:18:38
how to change something, and in general, is it necessary to00:18:42
change this somehow, how is it all,00:18:44
as you know, I have such a global00:18:46
question In general, how to live in a world in00:18:48
which there is so much cruelty, all this00:18:50
is growing stronger and stronger every day,00:18:55
you know, once upon a time there was such a term,00:18:58
probably still has not left political science.00:18:59
Different speed Europe that within the00:19:02
framework of a united Europe, even the European00:19:04
Union, that’s all- after all, different countries Well, at00:19:08
different00:19:09
speeds they travel more or less towards the same00:19:12
goal. Moreover, if humanity then00:19:15
Moreover, this is the Different speed history of00:19:18
different regions of different large groups, and00:19:21
in this sense, Let's say we00:19:25
are talking right now about00:19:27
I will ask you about your personal religious00:19:30
identification but in general, I would say this00:19:33
from the outside, as a religious scholar, I will say that you00:19:35
still think from a Christian point of00:19:37
view. But the conflict that is00:19:40
happening today in the Middle East is a00:19:42
conflict between two non-Christian religions00:19:44
and in which there is no commandment to love the00:19:48
enemy and in which in general, the ideology of00:19:53
the sword is fairly illuminated in their tradition00:19:56
and theology00:19:59
and in the world of Tanakh. Go and kill and slaughter there the00:20:04
male population of a captured00:20:06
city is in the order of things, and the World of Islam00:20:10
knows many sacred authorities00:20:11
who advised the same00:20:13
thing, the question is that it is natural and In the00:20:17
world of Jewish theology and in the world of00:20:20
Islamic theology, in recent years,00:20:23
people have appeared who are00:20:25
trying in naked tests to00:20:28
neutralize this theology of00:20:30
war, theology of hatred. But life00:20:33
sometimes forces us to reanimate precisely00:20:35
these Well, let’s say, relatively speaking,00:20:37
the most archaic layers of these00:20:40
religious traditions, and if in00:20:43
Christianity there are problem internal00:20:46
problem always reflecting always00:20:48
realized how we should value the Old Testament00:20:51
while remaining in the New Testament That is,00:20:53
we have some kind of softening buffer Yes,00:20:57
between the hard installations some00:20:59
hard installations of the Old Testament and our00:21:02
actualization of them like We are obliged00:21:04
to fulfill all these commandments all these none00:21:07
but we can refer to the New00:21:09
Testament It’s no longer relevant Well, there is no such00:21:12
buffer, not for Muslims that something from the00:21:14
Koran is outdated, they can’t say, not for00:21:17
Jews, they also can’t say that00:21:19
directly, but that’s why the question is the art00:21:22
of interpretation and, accordingly, for any00:21:24
person the art of choosing an interpreter00:21:27
who I recognize as authoritative for me from the00:21:30
huge world of learned theologians of00:21:34
my Faith Yes, it’s like Judaism or Islam00:21:37
from this huge cultural world00:21:39
depends on me which mentor I take as well,00:21:49
actualization in My world and this is difficult00:21:53
work and again very easily It is all00:21:55
canceled when some00:21:58
authoritative person appears in the appropriate00:21:59
overalls who says no, but here00:22:02
we have said That’s the way it should be, you see,00:22:04
they hate us. So we, too,00:22:06
must kill. So I say again, this is the00:22:09
uniqueness of a certain Christianity that00:22:11
says that if you see a manifestation00:22:13
of hatred for you, this is a reason not00:22:15
to act in a mirror, but00:22:18
to show completely different00:22:20
feelings. But but with the help of such00:22:23
a sermon, you can win someone’s00:22:25
hearts, but you are almost guaranteed to lose00:22:28
the land. Well, actually speaking, this is the paradox00:22:31
of the Gospel with from the very beginning and00:22:33
puts blessed those who are in one way or another00:22:36
unhappy in this world, here the00:22:43
beatitudes are small, one story that I00:22:45
want to discuss with you. Sorry if we are deviating from00:22:48
the main thing, it’s almost like you published00:22:51
that Pakhi published on her website a00:22:54
photo report from the Holy Synod in the00:22:56
Danilovsky Monastery of Zhyno Or did it just00:23:00
happen that a00:23:03
new painting of the Holy Trinity with Patriarch00:23:06
Kirill in the foreground was included in the set of photographs? I hope that00:23:09
right now we have the opportunity for00:23:11
our viewers to show00:23:16
Rublev’s modified Trinity You also published these frames00:23:19
and then Thank you very much I didn’t know00:23:23
that you are also capable of this and memes with00:23:26
Patriarch Kirill, who also00:23:28
dozha bli in various other canvases How do you00:23:32
feel about this, what is it all about00:23:34
and00:23:35
where do the hierarchs of the Russian00:23:40
Orthodox Church come from, you know, after all, at the00:23:43
end of the previous topic, I feel I00:23:44
have to say the next thing is that when I00:23:46
talk about the fact that, say, Christians00:23:49
should have empathy and so on, I’m00:23:51
talking about my position. And this is not a call to the00:23:56
Israelis to behave according to the00:23:58
gospel, and so on, it’s talking00:24:00
about their children about their safety of their lives. it’s up to00:24:03
them to decide00:24:05
Yes, that’s why you can’t call them00:24:09
to heart To00:24:14
mercy, it’s not your flock this is this yes this It’s00:24:17
still not my flock and this It’s00:24:20
too difficult in particular Because00:24:22
well, you know, it’s stupid to00:24:25
invade like that on television to say that you00:24:27
Jews are softer there and so on, among other00:24:30
things, you still need to understand00:24:32
that too often Christian00:24:36
missionaries who turned to Jews with a00:24:38
request to preach00:24:40
love then switched to the methods of the00:24:44
Inquisition, which are very, very unloving and00:24:46
unmerciful. Yes, that’s why00:24:48
also pretend that these centuries didn’t00:24:51
exist either, and come on, here you and I00:24:53
met for the first time, two loneliness, and00:24:55
come on, I consider myself a00:24:56
Christian, but it turns out you No, well, I’ll00:24:58
tell you now. Well,00:25:01
well, this is not quite the right position.00:25:03
there is a need, I think that in some way00:25:07
I don’t know how Yes, but we still need to gain the00:25:09
right to preach like this00:25:12
to people to these people Yes, I don’t00:25:15
feel that I have such a right, but I do00:25:17
n’t feel at all Yes Well, by the way, many in our00:25:20
chat too Well, there were speakers who00:25:22
called on you to remind you about the crusades00:25:28
and yes but but also exactly the same. I would like00:25:33
to ask why your00:25:35
opinion cannot be heard here regarding00:25:38
whether it is worth remembering mercy or00:25:42
not, after all, American political00:25:45
leaders And not only the military, they00:25:49
can imagine let us say that no, we are00:25:51
against the gas being under siege and00:25:55
under the control of the Israeli military, the00:25:58
American00:26:00
President Joe Biden speaks directly about this, he has00:26:02
an opinion on this issue, why can’t you00:26:04
express it or00:26:06
the status of00:26:09
the Theologian, it generally seems to me here on in00:26:12
fact, the question even seems to me00:26:14
even more extensive in general about Mercy00:26:16
during the war, well, Balayan can00:26:19
express his opinion on a living nail00:26:22
regarding this issue and many of her00:26:24
by the way x I expressed it and expressed it to the00:26:27
date What is called the Clothes that00:26:31
I am wearing and if it were a habit that had00:26:33
taken root throughout my life, it’s as if at some00:26:36
Teacher’s Department I’m a preacher Yes, a00:26:40
visionary and as if00:26:44
this is where people think that any of my speech00:26:49
If I open a gender, it means I’m00:26:51
preaching from this I would like to00:26:53
get rid of it Yes, that’s not00:26:56
so the position This is my position Otherwise, it’s00:27:00
not my business to teach Ukrainians how to00:27:04
defend their country or to be a Jew00:27:08
Yes, to be a human Yes, it is desirable00:27:12
everywhere, but I’m saying Then there will be arguments00:27:15
from my tradition, which will not be00:27:17
clear to everyone, not for everyone, these are the same00:27:19
authorities now that concerns the picture of00:27:22
the photograph, you see exactly the same thing happened00:27:26
Well, it happened for the first time in an obvious00:27:29
way in 2012 in00:27:34
history Well, I’ll start from afar, since the time of Freud,00:27:37
we know that culture is a system Taboo is00:27:40
one of the most important Taboos, the separation of the00:27:42
sacred and profane, sacred and00:27:46
prof. uh, the border is the00:27:49
same00:27:58
before the presidential elections, which00:28:00
were returned to Vladimir00:28:02
Vladimirovich, Kiril met with him and00:28:04
said his words there on the topic00:28:07
that I am fulfilling my right to you, just like the patriarch, I will00:28:09
prove it to your face, you have corrected various00:28:12
stories there, and so on. That is, this there was00:28:14
such a pre-election speech, absolutely00:28:16
clear, but once the patriarch came out of the altar and00:28:21
into worldly politics I bring out the00:28:26
same blame, they00:28:32
also deliberately violated the00:28:35
sacredly secular border was Naru00:28:37
Patri and came to his temple to tell00:28:40
him what they think about NM00:28:42
ladies, the case with this Picture passed00:28:45
that the same thing, this border of the sacred00:28:48
worldly was the mouth because00:28:56
in the00:29:02
Human WTO some kind of00:29:06
painting or icon is placed on the wall and he is photographed00:29:08
together with this icon, this is in the order of things, there are00:29:11
no complaints here, but in this00:29:13
case, the EU takes a closer look,00:29:15
this is just not the case there is no icon of the Trinity, this is a00:29:18
picture of the image of three00:29:26
Ange in Lera, there is a picture in a picture,00:29:30
this is not00:29:31
so, accordingly, this is a picture in which00:29:35
some kind of fusion of the heavenly world and the00:29:39
earthly one is shown, and the intermediary between the worlds00:29:43
is the patriarch, that is, there are some00:29:46
little people who are below they are going to the00:29:49
temple towards the probably rising00:29:52
sun, it00:29:56
is incomparably higher than these people and00:30:00
who even cover the00:30:02
Trinity itself, that is, this is an amazing00:30:05
presentation of the00:30:07
person itself. It is important here and what the00:30:11
patriarch said is my favorite portrait00:30:14
And this is his replica, the assessment hangs on the00:30:17
artist’s website you can meet her there. This00:30:26
gogo is not in the museum of gifts to his beloved, but00:30:30
keeps his residence. So every00:30:32
guest of the patriarch who comes to him before the00:30:35
negotiations meets00:30:36
sees this picture in addition to the portraits00:30:39
of the patriarch where the patriarch is with Putin, of course00:30:41
there are a lot of photographs of these too,00:30:44
this shows Where have you00:30:48
come you you know, this is a00:30:50
traditional traditional language of icons and00:30:54
politics, they are synthesized, let’s00:30:56
say the novia00:30:58
chamber in it is very free architecture in the00:31:01
center of the room there is a pillar that00:31:04
holds the00:31:07
architecture behind the pillar The throne of the king Prim in00:31:11
the corner and opposite the king in the opposite00:31:15
corner there is a seat for petitioners next to the00:31:18
king the neighbors his people and the petitioners, they don’t00:31:20
see them there, then they don’t see me00:31:26
on such a sailing table, which is facing00:31:30
the petitioner, there is a fresco whose plot is00:31:34
as follows. This is a hagiographical story. Well, Ancient00:31:37
Russia knew the lives of saints, so it’s easy to00:31:39
read these frescoes, their plot00:31:42
means Constantinople, in the capital of the00:31:44
Orthodox empire, there lives00:31:46
a certain a widow, she has a00:31:49
growing daughter. And one day the king came to the street, the00:31:52
emperor personally saw this girl00:31:57
and ordered this girl to be stolen and00:32:00
raped her in his00:32:02
palace, naturally, no pleas from the00:32:04
girl, not her mother, helped in any way, and00:32:07
then her mother goes to the temple And asks the00:32:12
Mother of God God mate to at least intercede00:32:15
Well, kill this bastard and the Mother of God00:32:19
answers I can’t, he does mercy00:32:23
and therefore I cannot cause any00:32:26
harm, it’s as if he is under God’s00:32:30
protection, this picture is amazing00:32:32
But what does it mean in this case00:32:34
when there is thousands of different possible00:32:37
scenes the author of the idea of painting in the faceted00:32:41
chamber cream The royal residence chose00:32:43
exactly this means the following that the00:32:46
petitioner you understand where you have come everyone00:32:49
knows that the Russian tsars richly00:32:50
hand out coins nicely at various ceremonies00:32:53
throw special people in the front00:32:55
when they walk You therefore Keep in mind that00:32:58
this the final authority is the00:33:00
highest court, even the god will not help you00:33:04
here, everything is00:33:05
captured God is on the side of the king, so00:33:08
listen to what the king will say And don’t even00:33:10
think about complaining above about heaven,00:33:14
something like this carries a similar message00:33:16
and this00:33:19
picture God is on the side of the king, it’s possible It’s00:33:25
natural to hide behind this all the time No, well, you see, at the level of00:33:27
words, the patriarch has said more than once that my00:33:30
position is the position of God. I’m not telling you from00:33:33
myself, I’m telling you this from God.00:33:35
If who is this, this is what I00:33:38
call the Russian dogma. a few00:33:40
years ago, Nav Russian when he was00:33:41
there, he voiced this in his sermon,00:33:43
he said that I am telling you from God, whoever00:33:47
doubts this,00:33:50
retire from the church00:33:53
apparatus, just like that, the simple dog now00:33:57
has its own visual image. But the00:34:00
most surprising thing is the following: This is after00:34:02
This scandal stirred up what was the00:34:04
reaction of the00:34:06
Patriarchate Vice Legoida is his00:34:08
deputy, that is, the Deputy Minister of00:34:10
Propaganda of the Russian Church, Mr.00:34:12
Kipshidze burst out in a telegram with a post00:34:15
on the topic that it was crazy Kuraev who00:34:17
raised the issue and generally mentally ill00:34:18
people. They can only do00:34:21
something like this bad00:34:25
Time you see that the wave is the confusion00:34:29
of people there is the indignation of people yes It00:34:32
would seem that what a Christian should do in this00:34:34
case there are the words of the Apostle Paul that00:34:37
whether I eat meat or not eat meat does not00:34:39
matter at all But if the fact that I00:34:42
eat meat confuses my neighbor Well, I00:34:44
won’t eat meat.00:34:46
Vova, that is, this is how a Christian Shepherd,00:34:48
in principle, should00:34:49
behave like this. Yeah, the fact that this picture caused00:34:52
such a wave of indignation, but the easiest way is Well,00:34:54
first of all, take it down, and secondly, Do00:34:56
it publicly00:34:58
Yes, just like that interpretations Yes, Sveta did00:35:02
n’t think at all, I didn’t understand00:35:06
this picture at all and didn’t imagine that00:35:08
such interpretations were possible, but since they00:35:10
are we are these interpretations and don’t accept00:35:13
the second one so that there is no reason for them, we are00:35:15
removing this picture from the storage rooms. Well, it00:35:18
would seem00:35:20
easy to think of finishing the drawing of00:35:24
Troy rub about how, as it were, how00:35:28
could it even come to someone’s head?00:35:31
This question interests me more than anything.00:35:35
Why do you need to paint yourself as if00:35:40
in I don’t have this understanding, no, how00:35:44
would it be allowed? You’re talking about a higher meaning, as it00:35:46
were I say yes, but it’s just00:35:50
such a bad taste, it seems to me,00:35:52
forgive me for my value judgment. In00:35:54
Soviet times, there was such a term in the00:35:55
army Arma, in00:35:58
which case for Kiril, it’s very va that about00:36:02
allowed to the table of even Troy itself, there are00:36:04
so many cups there that are worth to the victim cha00:36:07
is obscured by its forests But here he is there00:36:10
and plus to this that the theological plot of00:36:13
the icon of the Trinity is the advice about the creation of the00:36:16
troski the eternal council there00:36:18
the fate of the world is decided Yes,00:36:27
here, here Well, the patriarch has his own Globe, his own00:36:30
plans, but he, too, you see, places00:36:32
himself here, well, I say this is a00:36:35
person’s conceit, this is00:36:37
incurable thank you very much thank you th00:36:41
guest of the morning broadcast on a00:36:45
live nail Thank you Andrey00:36:47
Vyacheslavovich and I probably have to say00:36:49
that many people in our chat00:36:52
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