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who does this Dmitry Well, let's start with the00:02:32
presidential elections, probably yes,00:02:34
because Boris Nadezhdin gives us00:02:36
news feeds every day. For example, tomorrow the00:02:39
Supreme Court will consider two of his claims00:02:41
that concern documentation Yes, collecting00:02:44
signatures, registration there means checking00:02:48
these signatures and so on, well,00:02:50
he’s trying to try after even being denied access00:02:55
to the ballot. Yes, he’s trying to somehow00:02:57
break through and become a candidate.00:03:00
Well, to be honest, I don’t really00:03:03
believe in these prospects. But that’s good.00:03:04
He’s very welcome is trying Because if00:03:08
there is at least some chance00:03:10
that the Kremlin will decide to give up hope for00:03:13
some of its own reasons, let’s say either00:03:16
someone is digging a hole for Kiriyenko or, for00:03:19
example,00:03:20
they want to drag out the case in the courts so that00:03:23
he has little time left for campaigning00:03:25
so that later let’s draw him 5% and00:03:28
say that your opposition is worth it, I don’t know00:03:30
what reasons they might have for00:03:32
registering, but I initially understood that00:03:34
Nadezhda would not pass at the level of the Central Election Commission. And00:03:39
then the00:03:40
trial is a trial that00:03:43
takes Nadezhda away from campaigning for a while00:03:45
companies understand, yes, that00:03:47
is, if it and you think that it00:03:49
could be registered, they would simply take it away,00:03:51
I give it a very small percentage, yes.00:03:54
Well, let’s assume that if suddenly for00:03:56
some reason they decided to release it,00:03:59
then it would be00:04:00
through the courts and not through the Central Election Commission, that is,00:04:03
initially it would not have been possible for him they let us carry out the00:04:06
campaign to say after00:04:08
submitting these signatures, that is, it will be necessary to00:04:11
take away time from him that he00:04:13
could use for campaigning. But I even00:04:15
for such a decision. Well, I put00:04:19
23% there. Well, no more, no more than00:04:28
that, they call it no elections, these are00:04:32
special selected operations to00:04:34
maintain the seizure of power because00:04:36
Putin had 24 years of power when he came, the00:04:39
presidential term was 4 years, that is, in00:04:42
fact, he had already served six terms of 400:04:44
years each and is going on the seventh Yes, for six six00:04:46
years, so this is quite00:04:48
obvious Well, a violation of all conceivable and00:04:51
inconceivable rules of international the rights00:04:53
of Anything, plus elections are taking place in the00:04:55
occupied territories, but00:04:57
nevertheless I supported this campaign to00:05:00
collect signatures. Why Because,00:05:03
first of all, I would like to support the people00:05:05
who, despite everything, came out and00:05:07
who need to somehow express00:05:09
their anti-war position Vit this is,00:05:12
firstly, and secondly, I believe that00:05:14
And the plan that the Kremlin came up with and00:05:18
developed initially was, well, essentially00:05:21
undermined by this whole company00:05:23
because they wanted to make Putin the people's00:05:25
candidate, they allegedly got him 3 million00:05:28
signatures,00:05:30
but in the end Nadezhdin came00:05:32
200,000 people came out and brought signatures and00:05:35
Nadezhdin became such a people’s candidate and we00:05:39
all saw living signatures, we all saw00:05:41
queues. Yes, and Nadezh collected what00:05:44
200,000 there, and Putin, like 3 million, is 15 times00:05:47
more, but no queues Yes,00:05:51
we didn’t see any living people and that means The00:05:54
very legitimacy of this collection of00:05:55
signatures for Putin is undermined because00:05:58
arithmetic is not about numbers, it is about a00:06:02
feeling, a sensation, about00:06:04
perception. This is how we perceive 3 million00:06:06
signatures for Putin and how we perceive00:06:09
200,000 for Nadezhda, where are the real ones? And where are the00:06:12
drawn ones? In my opinion, this is the First00:06:16
Strike due to the legitimacy of all these elections and00:06:19
secondly, people felt that they were not00:06:21
alone, that there were many of them, this is also very00:06:23
important. And even if hopes are not allowed in, in00:06:26
fact, the game does not end for us00:06:28
because ahead we00:06:30
can calmly and campaign against00:06:32
Putin and we we can once again00:06:36
declare our anti-war positions on00:06:41
March 17 about this against Putin you00:06:43
mean Of course, I’m just00:06:45
finishing my thought now so that later if you need to00:06:48
smoothly move on to some details Yes, we00:06:51
’ll move on to the details now according to Nadezhda but00:06:53
about the noon action against Putin00:06:55
We’ll definitely talk too, but you know, yes,00:06:57
as for Vladimir00:06:59
Putin’s signatures, it’s clear that administrative resources could have been used there.00:07:01
And in00:07:03
general, we can say here, playing00:07:06
devil’s advocate. What kind of Vladimir00:07:09
Putin is Vladimir Putin, and so00:07:11
he doesn’t need a lot of support? in00:07:13
these lines, people came and00:07:15
everything was calm, but you can really believe in this00:07:17
support for Vladimir Putin,00:07:18
but it’s00:07:20
true that he collected so much, but00:07:22
he could collect so many signatures, you00:07:24
don’t believe it. Well, where do people mean that they00:07:27
collected it using administrative methods?00:07:29
Yes, they gathered everyone at the enterprise, they forced them to00:07:32
sign no live queues,00:07:34
no desire, no initiative00:07:37
from below, we didn’t see that’s the most00:07:39
important thing. That is, it’s such a swamp, but how did00:07:42
they collect it? I think that they00:07:43
actually drew, they collected 3 ml, this is00:07:46
too much for such a period of time. I think that it’s00:07:49
just that all sorts of organizers there00:07:51
made good money. That is, it was they who took00:07:53
passport data from passport fishing and00:07:56
sat in different offices, so to speak, and00:07:59
copied it all down and00:08:06
put down ml, it’s impossible not to notice00:08:09
if we noticed 200,000 like this00:08:12
when people are there for 40 minutes for an hour00:08:15
Moroz stood there in Tigrai and we saw00:08:19
these people, we saw the signatures, again I00:08:22
emphasize, they can say anything,00:08:24
they can even say it was00:08:28
Putin’s supporters who00:08:30
were asked to help this weak00:08:32
candidate register, just like Navalny was00:08:34
once given the signatures of00:08:36
deputies in the mayoral elections Yes they00:08:39
can say the same thing, the question is not what00:08:41
they can say, but the question is what are we00:08:43
ready or not ready for? I mean to00:08:45
society. What are we ready and not ready to00:08:46
believe because they emphasize legitimacy?00:08:53
different arguments from00:08:55
both sides So you believe it or don’t believe it, that’s00:08:58
all Well, well,00:08:59
two famous queues Where to hope Well,00:09:02
on the border with Georgia to escape from00:09:05
mobilization no queues military registration and enlistment offices00:09:08
we didn’t see queues for Putin, we didn’t00:09:11
see queues for all sorts of00:09:13
candidates00:09:15
We haven’t observed this parliamentary dwarf opposition either, we00:09:18
only have one people’s candidate. Yes,00:09:21
they emphasize, to be not the dream candidate for00:09:23
everyone and far from being the dream candidate. But he seems to00:09:26
have become a kind of tool, and in the00:09:29
hands of people with an anti-war position00:09:32
who don’t like Putin, who don’t like00:09:33
war. who would like changes, and00:09:36
it actually worked. Listen,00:09:38
why not the dream candidate Dmitry,00:09:41
that’s just really criticism Nadezhdino is00:09:43
being addressed by from the00:09:45
Russian opposition, especially in exile.00:09:47
Yes, who accuse him there of not having an ardent00:09:49
enough anti-war00:09:52
position and he in general participated in00:09:54
propaganda shows and so on, here’s00:09:56
what confuses you about the figure of Bori himself.00:09:59
Listen, nothing bothers me at all, I00:10:01
personally have a good relationship with him, we know each other00:10:03
and he won’t be offended by me if I say00:10:06
that he was not the dream candidate, he00:10:07
understands this perfectly well But in this00:10:10
case, yes, the circumstances, they somehow00:10:13
connected all this, I don’t even want to even00:10:16
discuss what Nadezhda once00:10:18
had, sometimes this happens when00:10:21
there is a wave of protest, you are simply thrown00:10:24
onto some other shore, even where you00:10:26
could Sai wasn’t00:10:28
going to hope that political00:10:30
capital would appear. Before that, he obviously00:10:33
tried to negotiate There and so on.00:10:35
Well, okay, that doesn’t matter anymore; what00:10:39
matters is that how he manages this00:10:41
political capital further, in00:10:42
fact, you won’t envy him, because00:10:44
of course, as a politician, he would probably want to00:10:46
I would like to maintain the support of citizens,00:10:51
but in the conditions of repressive Russia this is00:10:55
fraught with a criminal case there; it’s00:10:59
quite difficult for them, but you can lose it00:11:03
very quickly Yes, tomorrow Well, marry00:11:05
Putin, tell me, and you’ll lose all this;00:11:07
flush all this support down the toilet in one00:11:10
moment, so We don’t know what will happen next00:11:12
directly with Boris Borisovich,00:11:14
but I perfectly understand00:11:17
what kind of pressure can be exerted and00:11:19
in advance I don’t even want to00:11:21
criticize there and so on,00:11:29
having00:11:31
knowledge of the support of citizens Yes, so that this would00:11:34
be, roughly speaking,00:11:37
their expression This is disagreement with the war00:11:41
with Putin in some safe00:11:44
form, I think that noon against Putin is00:11:46
what everyone in00:11:48
the opposition actually supported now. Well, practically all of00:11:50
this is probably the best thing that is when with00:11:57
Mamma, in fact, you can’t think of anything better00:12:00
because even if there is00:12:01
candidate Even if they vote for him,00:12:04
let’s say 30%, but they will00:12:06
falsify everything and show five or three and00:12:10
when will there be queues at the polling stations? Yes, it00:12:12
will be impossible to hide in any way, it is00:12:15
impossible, noon cannot be canceled. That’s why00:12:17
I am very glad that now the whole00:12:19
opposition is again, as it were, ready together00:12:22
act and already go to the polling00:12:24
station at 12 at00:12:27
noon00:12:30
is a safe way to express your00:12:32
protest than to go to the headquarters of Nadezhda to00:12:35
take a signature with passport00:12:38
data well Dmitry Well, let's talk about00:12:41
noon against Putin, is there any sense in this action00:12:43
at all after the queues00:12:46
for Boris Nadezhdin Well, please00:12:48
show your support. People have already00:12:51
organized something like this again. Well, first of all, I00:12:54
hope that the queues will be longer, there00:12:56
will be more of them, they will be in different cities,00:12:58
this is the first thing because even according to the most00:13:01
conservative estimates, more than00:13:03
half of them would already like the war to00:13:05
end They won’t00:13:07
get away from this I think by March This number of00:13:10
such people will increase00:13:12
and then what? Well no again Wait.00:13:16
You’re talking about the half that are00:13:18
against the war for More precisely not against the war but00:13:21
for ending the war Yes, these are not00:13:23
necessarily supporters of00:13:25
the opposition, the opposition is calling for this00:13:28
action is00:13:29
supporters of the00:13:30
opposition, but they can come out at 12 and00:13:34
it doesn’t matter how they vote, they will be 12 in00:13:37
order to demonstrate at least00:13:40
somehow their negative attitude towards the war,00:13:43
let’s say this00:13:44
means why this is important. Look,00:13:48
I already started with the fact that Putin has 3 million00:13:52
votes collected I have Sorry, not00:13:54
the votes, but the signatures collected in his00:13:56
support Well, in fact,00:13:59
Arova company00:14:02
Nadezh VS There is no legitimacy for these00:14:04
signatures, he is not a people’s00:14:07
candidate, he handed over his signatures, he was00:14:09
registered, he is a candidate of 300,000, the Central Election Commission00:14:12
accepted but no one, in principle, believes in the00:14:15
legitimacy of these signatures. Yes, they don’t believe in these signatures00:14:17
it’s unclear where they came from, no one00:14:20
saw people in queues, and so on, you can00:14:22
say anything to the question of how people00:14:27
perceive00:14:29
this00:14:30
is a demonstration00:14:34
of the mood further to us now. Our task is to00:14:36
make sure that 86% or whatever00:14:39
Putin draws is perceived00:14:42
exactly the same as 3 million signatures in his00:14:44
support, you understand that he will have00:14:47
80 76 I don’t know how much in the final00:14:50
protocol, I have no doubt they will00:14:54
draw the ssgogoniya, the00:14:57
final figure is like a number on the board on the00:15:01
main board, it’s clear, obvious.00:15:04
Our task is to make sure that in society, so00:15:06
that people are the elite, the security forces, those who00:15:10
organize all sorts of elections election00:15:11
commissions as well as public opinion in the00:15:13
West said it was all [ __ ], the tsar00:15:16
is not real, he painted everything for himself.00:15:18
This is, as it were, the00:15:22
destruction of the legitimacy of Putin’s Victory.00:15:25
Therefore, if from one Rhone there are00:15:27
8600:15:29
and there are dozens00:15:30
brought dozens of buses with the recognition of a00:15:34
state employee against the millions who will00:15:36
come out and line up to these polling00:15:39
stations And this is perhaps a million people in00:15:42
Moscow, let’s say it’s 12 o’clock and the00:15:46
whole city is 12 o’clock Well, in general, it00:15:49
demonstrates against Putin and against the00:15:51
war And you haven’t done anything about it, these00:15:54
lines will show everyone, everyone will see them, the entire00:15:57
Internet will be dozens hundreds of millions of00:15:59
views00:16:01
everywhere, what will happen next, we cannot00:16:03
now predict Yes, roughly speaking, we00:16:05
can influence the perception of these numbers,00:16:09
yes perceptions, as Katya Shulman00:16:11
says, This is what we can influence.00:16:14
What further consequences could there be? Yes,00:16:16
Putin is certainly with a certificate And from the csika00:16:19
he will go to inauguration, but everyone will00:16:22
understand that he is not a real elite,00:16:24
whom he infuriates and irritates with his00:16:27
idiotic statements like Carlson’s00:16:29
in an interview. Yes,00:16:30
and the elites who are now deprived of all00:16:33
opportunities to travel there,00:16:35
invest money, use00:16:37
yachts, bank accounts there, and so on,00:16:39
Putin has closed this opportunity for them and00:16:43
the security forces who now think that they00:16:46
are dispersing some kind of marginal00:16:48
minority on behalf of the majority will understand00:16:50
that they are, as it were, acting outside the framework of00:16:54
some kind of legitimate field, and that00:16:56
is, this is already uh, they will not be dispersing a00:16:59
representative of a marginal minority00:17:01
on behalf of the majority, but they will00:17:05
challenge to the majority on behalf of the marginal00:17:08
minority who imagined this victory for themselves.00:17:10
That is, the repressions00:17:12
will not be so severe because00:17:14
when the security forces feel that somehow00:17:17
the situation will change, they will be imprisoned, they00:17:20
will think about it once again, this is usually what00:17:22
happens Dmitry Well,00:17:26
no matter what the second says, I I understand that00:17:30
this looks strange now, but you00:17:32
could have assumed in June that in a month the00:17:36
system would be repeating its own identity.00:17:40
And in history, what’s more, now they00:17:43
will remove Putin in charge there, which is certain00:17:45
that Vladimir00:17:57
Putin00:18:01
is yours personally and Aidar Akhmadiev is00:18:04
visiting politician00:18:23
Dmitry00:18:25
Maybe this will all be against the backdrop of mass00:18:29
protests [ __ ] knows, in00:18:31
six months, maybe Putin will announce mobilization in00:18:33
March after the elections,00:18:35
and this factor can00:18:39
greatly influence the situation inside the00:18:41
country Look how active the00:18:43
wives of the widows of the mobilized have become Yes, and00:18:47
if at first they demanded: Bring back our00:18:50
husbands, send others, then now00:18:53
such a balanced position00:18:58
will gain strength, so I don’t00:19:00
know. How not to torture me? I00:19:02
think that if Putin, without any effort,00:19:07
collects 80% of his choice there we are00:19:11
not participating in this in any way, then this00:19:14
process will not begin soon because he will00:19:18
confirm his legitimacy to everyone, he00:19:20
will show everyone that without any difficulty he00:19:22
scored 70 or 80%, but if we are screwed by00:19:26
his legitimacy, I emphasize and here it is00:19:28
very important to say that noon is against00:19:30
Putin is not participation in the elections00:19:32
noon against Putin is some kind of00:19:36
demonstration Yes, you can come and00:19:39
stand in line if you are for a boycott Yes,00:19:42
do not go to the polling station there00:19:45
to vote for no one but If you want, go00:19:47
spoil the ballot, it’s your choice, we won’t00:19:50
argue now Which strategy is00:19:52
better do it right so that people00:19:54
all gather together in the squares and00:19:58
see each other So they show themselves00:20:01
Well, for example, Imagine00:20:03
some family, a young family that00:20:06
lives There, I don’t00:20:08
know, in a00:20:26
three-lane00:20:28
queue and then a neighbor on the left, a00:20:30
neighbor on the right, a neighbor from above from below And 10 more a00:20:33
person from other entrances and they just00:20:35
understand that no damn thing we are not in00:20:37
the minority, there are a lot of us, you understand, it’s just00:20:40
going to change the atmosphere00:20:42
psychologically, really. Yes, but the feeling is that you00:20:46
are sitting here in00:20:47
the apartment, and your neighbor is writing a denunciation of00:20:50
you for your anti-war, it’s really00:20:52
such a feeling it’s just that it’s very00:20:54
important even from the point of view of supporting the00:20:56
people who are there. And these people00:20:59
all understand perfectly well that the00:21:01
government will not change in the elections. But these people00:21:02
understand perfectly well that this is a safe00:21:04
way to at least somehow express themselves in this situation,00:21:06
and then we’ll see the situation there in the00:21:10
scenarios there are a lot of cases, there is a case00:21:13
there, and a Romanian case. Yes,00:21:16
they shot him, there was a quick coup, and so on and00:21:20
so forth, yes, we know the Tabar case, we00:21:24
know cases when this led to00:21:28
some kind of revolutionary situations,00:21:30
but in any case, a blow to the legitimacy00:21:33
of us for these00:21:35
brings changes closer and this is important to do I’m not00:21:38
saying that’s why you’re asking me Why do00:21:41
you think I don’t think I don’t know I’m not giving00:21:44
a guarantee but maybe there won’t be anything Or maybe there00:21:47
will be Yes, well, we definitely need to try00:21:51
because there’s no other00:21:53
way today That’s better than the action gender against00:21:56
the path nothing Invented from the very beginning00:21:58
I understood that we won’t come up with anything00:22:00
because our candidate won’t be allowed in,00:22:02
even our best candidate was00:22:05
n’t allowed in either That’s who wasn’t00:22:07
initially an opposition candidate But00:22:10
here an important event happens when And for00:22:14
example in the eighteenth year, what00:22:16
was the reaction to our presidential candidates there,00:22:20
like Yavlinsky or Sobchak?00:22:22
Yes, everyone argued, they quarreled, today it doesn’t00:22:24
matter, today, everyone stopped00:22:26
arguing, today they united for the sake of00:22:28
the good of the cause. And it00:22:30
worked, why? Because when there is a00:22:34
unification of everyone,00:22:38
then Synergy occurs I observed this in the00:22:41
seventeenth year at a municipal00:22:43
company, the united democrats all00:22:44
united Synergy once the second00:22:47
political force 267 municipal00:22:49
deputies This always happens like this00:22:52
Now is a unique case when we are00:22:55
in00:22:56
anti-war further and already Navalny and everyone00:22:59
else supported the noon action00:23:01
against00:23:02
Putin, let's do it Let's00:23:04
try and at the same time we won't00:23:08
call Elections elections that's all And an00:23:10
attempt to usurp power And we're just00:23:12
tripping up this way and interfering with00:23:15
this process Uh-oh, well, Dmitry00:23:19
Yes, here we go Well, you said that there is00:23:22
no general strategy, what to do00:23:24
inside the polling stations it’s clear00:23:26
what to do outside stand in line,00:23:28
but inside in the booths if Boris00:23:31
Nadezhdin calls on you to vote for Davankov00:23:34
Well, or if he himself00:23:36
is allowed in Nadezhdino, then obviously you00:23:39
can sign for Davankov. You00:23:41
personally would sign it. No why, but I00:23:45
won’t argue Good bad Davankov00:23:48
and so on, well, because we will not00:23:50
influence the scoreboard Even if we all00:23:53
vote Zankov, they will falsify00:23:56
Putin will be 86 he has00:23:59
5% there, but then it’s one thing Nadezhdin, after all,00:24:02
who made some statements and00:24:05
Davankov represents the party that I do00:24:07
n’t like her at all in parliament and he did00:24:09
n’t seem to apologize for her Yes, although00:24:12
maybe he purely outwardly makes a00:24:14
better impression Than everyone else But00:24:16
this is definitely not a dream candidate Yes, but I00:24:20
emphasize If someone wants to00:24:22
do this, I won’t object I I won’t00:24:24
argue with him, I won’t talk, you00:24:26
did it wrong, you should have done it like this,00:24:28
the strategy is very simple, we’ll all00:24:30
get together And then, whatever you want,00:24:33
don’t go to the polling station at all, you want to00:24:36
vote For this candidate, you want for00:24:38
three Vote, ruin the ballot, whatever you00:24:41
want to do, but the main thing is for people00:24:42
to gather in one place to show00:24:44
that the majority is against Putin and against00:24:47
this dictatorship against repression, that’s00:24:50
the trick. And we influence sensations, we00:24:54
influence the atmosphere and not the numbers, how00:24:56
did you like it? Reznik said we00:24:59
can’t change the score on the scoreboard but we can00:25:02
take the audience award, you see,00:25:06
Nadezhdin took the audience award,00:25:08
but he was not allowed anywhere, but the audience00:25:10
sympathy is on his side now, and it’s00:25:12
important for us to take the audience award00:25:14
so that he is definitely not on Putin’s side,00:25:16
so that this Victory is a fake, absolutely00:25:18
fake one, depicted in no one would have00:25:23
believed. You just know the feeling that Bori00:25:27
Nadezhdin influences the Russian00:25:31
public today even more than the00:25:33
oppositionists in exile, that is, this00:25:35
company that organized itself. Yes,00:25:37
in itself, this is self-organization, people themselves00:25:39
came out to sign for this, I remind you,00:25:42
no one called for it. Yes, they only then00:25:44
they connected there Katz Shulman and so on That’s00:25:46
just the signatures. Wait, Plyushchev00:25:50
had a wonderful analysis of how all this00:25:53
was transformed into signatures, how it’s00:25:55
connected with the conscription,00:25:59
and so on, you know, I’m not against that. Let00:26:03
Nadezh say so, well, it’s obvious that00:26:07
if all Russian migration If I hadn’t00:26:09
supported this company, there wouldn’t have been00:26:11
any 200,000 signatures and it’s obvious that00:26:14
Nadezhdin has 10% of the rating right now00:26:16
Exactly because00:26:19
he should let him out of his mouth00:26:26
Yes, but he’s somehow talking about articulating00:26:35
this political capital in the toilet and00:26:38
if he comes out tomorrow and he will say, I thought,00:26:40
of the remaining ones, Putin is the best. He00:26:42
will not have any influence. No00:26:44
interest. And if he is at the00:26:46
same time with everyone, then yes, he will retain this influence,00:26:48
which is what I wish for him. But this is influence;00:26:53
it is not like it used to be when there is a00:26:56
Leader with that everything will be done no, here are smart00:27:00
people who support him, who are00:27:03
players in themselves Yes, these are not those00:27:07
who were shown what to do,00:27:09
they do it themselves, because they themselves00:27:11
understand perfectly well and they are wonderful and00:27:13
soberly looks at Boris Nadezhdin,00:27:15
understanding all his disadvantages and all his advantages are why there is00:27:18
this mass of00:27:22
people here, a huge mass of people00:27:24
who00:27:26
will certainly support him as00:27:29
long as he takes a position, this must be00:27:32
clearly understood, he directly depends on them,00:27:34
they depend on him in this, this is a unique00:27:37
situation and the fact that he has this the rating00:27:39
appeared due to the fact that everyone00:27:41
said Okay, we’re not against it, he says00:27:44
normal things. Let’s go, you can00:27:47
collect signatures for him, it’s safe.00:27:49
Let’s play this game and everyone. Let’s go00:27:52
play this game. Because here00:27:54
somehow there has been a consolidation of different00:27:56
public opinion leaders here. there00:27:58
is no need to divide into people by those who00:28:00
left the opposition is not the opposition all00:28:02
together this is the result of collective00:28:05
collective efforts this is the most important thing there00:28:07
will be no collective efforts there will be no00:28:09
result there is no need for someone to pull00:28:12
the blanket over themselves all00:28:13
together Dmitry Do you think00:28:17
this could be useful Yes, you said that he is00:28:18
pro-art in some way anti-war00:28:21
position Yes, but he has to speak in a00:28:22
Zopo language This is also the case, and at the same time00:28:26
he is trying to find an approach to those00:28:28
people who, as it were, are not too00:28:29
radically against the war and against00:28:31
Vladimir Putin Yes, but they started they00:28:33
began to have doubts, they began to ask questions,00:28:35
why is this so, and has it really become better?00:28:38
They have appeared. This doubt00:28:40
and this shaky attitude towards the current00:28:43
government, he is trying. In my opinion, to find an00:28:46
approach to this part of Russian00:28:48
society, maybe the Russian opposition00:28:50
in exile should also try this00:28:52
strategy because what is being heard00:28:54
now from a large number of00:28:55
oppositionists are quite harsh00:28:58
statements Yes, like there Putin is a00:29:00
murderer And you are all in trouble Yes,00:29:02
please just go there and00:29:04
vote as we tell you Do00:29:06
what we tell you and then we, whatever you call it,00:29:09
means levying reparations to pay Yes, you00:29:13
will be there almost on your knees00:29:15
apologizing and your relatives whose00:29:17
mobilization we have mobilized will not come from you.00:29:22
So I’m just asking who. Tell me00:29:24
the majority of people00:29:26
who00:29:28
don’t speak yet, this doesn’t mean that we do00:29:30
n’t call a spade a spade here,00:29:32
but we call it no there is a00:29:34
disdainful attitude towards citizens,00:29:36
but I haven’t heard it. And probably, let’s00:29:42
look at the beeps with me, just a00:29:45
few days ago he had not00:29:46
such harsh ones. As I00:29:48
say, they were not so harsh, they00:29:51
were different. I heard this broadcast. I believe00:29:54
that when you are in conditions of00:29:57
serious risks, here Nadezhdin on the00:29:59
one hand, of course, is trying to find00:30:01
the key to another audience, which I00:30:04
understand him perfectly well, this is how we must act00:30:06
because it is there inside, but at the00:30:08
same time it is limited Because he00:30:10
can be imprisoned for a careless word00:30:13
We do not have such risks Yes therefore, we00:30:16
can speak A little more freely and00:30:18
more clearly articulate the thought. But00:30:22
with understanding the statements00:30:24
that are made there, this is exactly my00:30:26
approach, so there are even people00:30:29
inside the country who, for example, are closer to my00:30:31
rhetoric and Gennady Gudkov there. Yes, but to00:30:34
some rhetoric is closer to Nadezhda, therefore the00:30:36
most important thing here is to combine this into a00:30:39
single puzzle. There is no need for everyone to be like00:30:41
one here, let there be, as it were, different00:30:43
voices, different styles, different approaches00:30:46
that, so to speak,00:30:49
involve different audiences,00:30:56
and we don’t00:30:57
need to limit ourselves here and we don’t00:31:00
need to criticize hopes for what00:31:03
he says is not the way we would like, we00:31:05
need to understand that everyone’s circumstances are slightly different00:31:08
and we need to take this00:31:09
into account Yeah, and the mobilized wives00:31:12
you already mentioned What is00:31:14
the perspective What do you think about this00:31:16
whole00:31:17
story I think that they are going along this00:31:20
step development of civil society00:31:23
Yes, at first they saved00:31:26
their relatives there specifically, now they are00:31:28
faced with lawlessness and understand that00:31:31
the problem is not specifically00:31:34
there, their husbands have relatives there who00:31:37
are fighting, but in the system who are not heard,00:31:39
who are ignored there, who are00:31:42
sending everyone to slaughter and they are00:31:44
quietly yes this this protest is00:31:46
slowly starting to convert into00:31:48
some kind of political while social But the00:31:50
next step is political This is a00:31:52
normal protest, this needs to be supported00:31:55
This needs to be00:31:56
covered00:31:58
So we need to help people00:32:02
overcome these steps and at some00:32:04
point Realize that the main problem This is00:32:06
not there, uncle, the military registration and enlistment office there or yes But in the00:32:11
Kremlin there is a war criminal because of whom00:32:13
their husbands are dying. Yes, why00:32:16
is he the culprit of everything?00:32:19
Usurp00:32:21
[music]00:32:27
oppositionists there or squeezed out of the country00:32:29
this understanding00:32:31
will come, you just need to be patient and00:32:33
how to help this process, it won’t00:32:35
be fast Well, it’s moving in this00:32:37
direction therefore, there is potential And00:32:39
a lot will depend on what happens00:32:41
after March Whether there will be mobilization or whether there00:32:43
will be mobilization, all these00:32:44
factors influence the mood in00:32:50
society. Tell me, is the Russian00:32:52
liberal opposition ready, in your00:32:54
opinion, to unite with those who? Well,00:32:57
who? you can’t call it liberal, but00:32:58
the opposition is already forming Yes, these are the ones00:33:00
mobilized there and even people like00:33:03
there riflemen and the like, listen Well,00:33:06
first of all, the word liberal opposition00:33:08
is From the vocabulary of 2012, yes Well, I00:33:12
was just trying to somehow characterize Yes,00:33:14
I will unite you It’s just that now in00:33:15
exile I can name a bunch of people00:33:18
who have diametrically00:33:20
opposed views on00:33:22
economic policy, some are for a00:33:23
progressive tax scale, which is generally a00:33:25
leftist idea, some are for direct taxes, a00:33:28
flat scale, and so on on every topic there,00:33:30
from pension reform to tax reform00:33:33
to us we are talking about the attitude towards the Putin00:33:35
regime, this is particularly the economy. And00:33:37
what is liberal? These are people who want00:33:39
freedom and justice, who want00:33:41
fair elections,00:33:44
let’s say specifically anti-war, that’s00:33:46
what we’ll call it if you00:33:47
don’t like the word liberal, anti-war, well,00:33:50
anti-war with pro-military, of course,00:33:52
unite will not be able to in any way. Quite00:33:54
obviously, but I see great prospects00:33:56
in the anti-war movement, where00:33:59
many will come who00:34:01
will take neutrality and then break away, those who00:34:03
once supported their own and then00:34:05
will understand that this is all a deception and will go over to the00:34:07
other side. It’s just necessary. Yes, it is necessary with00:34:10
such people work of course, but there00:34:12
with the leaders and leaders there, these00:34:14
cannibals, there00:34:16
can be no unification, especially since the decision of the criminals00:34:19
Sorry, the Hague00:34:22
court, well today Vladimir Putin00:34:25
signed a law on the confiscation of property from those00:34:28
convicted under eight, in my opinion,00:34:30
criminal articles, including fakes about the army Well,00:34:33
those all the articles that are used00:34:34
for persecution, including politicians,00:34:37
activists and journalists, tell me this is an00:34:39
effective measure. That is, many who00:34:42
left still have property in Russia,00:34:45
relatives, and so on. That is, the00:34:46
risk factor here is quite, well, like this. In00:34:49
any case, it00:34:50
is visible. Well, I think that Of course,00:34:53
this will create difficulties for those who00:34:56
find criticism for the room but have an00:34:58
apartment, and someone will get scared and stop00:35:01
speaking publicly, but the main key00:35:04
critics Yes, these are people00:35:06
whom even such decisions will not stop00:35:09
Yes, many have long ago gotten rid of00:35:11
apartments there from real estate,00:35:14
well, let’s put it this way the measure will not be00:35:17
very effective. And I think that it00:35:19
actually poses a problem00:35:25
for,00:35:28
but you have created a precedent that the right to00:35:30
property in Russia does not work, and00:35:33
when you create a precedent00:35:35
and give freedom of action to the security forces,00:35:39
the security forces will begin to squeeze out the garage from not00:35:43
great conditionally or from anyone - a00:35:45
car or a two-room apartment from00:35:48
some activist, why are they going to00:35:55
squeeze out?00:35:57
Yes, this means that tomorrow00:35:59
some oligarch or some00:36:00
entrepreneur will be accused of sympathizing00:36:05
with an extremist, terrorist, foreign00:36:07
agent, they will find something there, they will knock out00:36:10
something testimony, but on the sly00:36:13
I’ll take away the business, it’s just that, in fact, the00:36:15
institution of00:36:17
property rights in Russia is being destroyed, that’s all, that is,00:36:19
they will get much more problems for themselves00:36:22
than they will create for their00:36:24
opponents because the Cree It00:36:27
seemed to me that this is all in00:36:30
one in one set For example, with00:36:32
the detention of B2 in Thailand, yes, that is, this is00:36:34
an attempt to shut the mouth of those who00:36:36
left, who feel free there00:36:38
abroad, have access to a large00:36:41
Russian-speaking audience and their own00:36:44
anti-war. That is, this is also a00:36:46
method tool. Yes, shut up these people00:36:48
here, shut up the musicians to deprive them of their00:36:50
income And here to take away an apartment from00:36:52
someone in this way calms down not00:36:55
only to deprive them of their income there was a more00:36:57
serious story00:36:58
they wanted to deport and imprison and they00:37:02
asked me Why am I saying you don’t00:37:04
understand here repressions are00:37:06
unpredictable, that’s their00:37:08
danger that’s how it turned out this way the map00:37:11
lay down because they were in Thailand00:37:13
because everyone there knows that the organizers00:37:14
fill out the documents incorrectly, it was00:37:17
a special operation. Well, we can get it. Let’s00:37:23
try to00:37:25
demonstrate that they will not only00:37:29
deprive people of income abroad, but what else will they00:37:32
get abroad? That’s how it would be. The00:37:34
main task was good that It’s just that we00:37:37
all managed to prevent it all, I00:37:39
found out about it at night when they called me. We00:37:42
had this rescue headquarters that00:37:44
we formed and a bunch of00:37:46
people got involved. I’m grateful, thank God we00:37:48
managed to get them out to Israel. But it00:37:51
was extremely difficult to do, but they raised00:37:53
diplomats and in00:37:55
Washington, Brussels is everywhere and the UN00:37:58
is involved. I'm not even talking about the00:38:00
wonderful Israeli diplomats00:38:02
who simply saved us at the very beginning00:38:04
when the musicians were supposed to be taken to00:38:05
Phuket airport and sent to Moscow on a00:38:07
direct flight and we prevented all this00:38:09
and raised our ears there in general to the00:38:12
Prime Minister of Thailand We got there Yes,00:38:14
when already there in all the media in all the00:38:18
world media this case was when on all the00:38:21
tables in all the Foreign Ministry of European countries in00:38:24
America in Canada everywhere this case was in00:38:26
Australia, that is, well, well, this is Bidwa, this is00:38:29
just for us Well thank God we managed to00:38:32
do it, but in reality They could have00:38:34
deported them, the quiet guy Yes, because it’s00:38:38
good I’m just their friend Yes, there was a group00:38:41
that happened to call me and if,00:38:45
uh, in time, We wouldn’t have realized They would have00:38:48
just Well, they would have been in Moscow now00:38:50
there would be at least three four sitting there00:38:53
and the audience thanks you Thank00:38:55
you Dmitry for this reaction for00:38:58
helping, but you know about the00:39:00
indiscriminate it’s00:39:03
easy to reach Yes, for example, from00:39:06
the last one, this is the sociologist Boris Ko00:39:08
Gorlitsky, who was first sentenced00:39:10
for the article on justifying terrorism to00:39:12
a fine And now 5 years in prison, that is,00:39:14
they replaced the sentence. Well, wow, wow, they00:39:17
made it tougher for 5 years, they deprived me of Freedom. Tell00:39:21
me what and why in general00:39:23
history went into it in such zigzags00:39:26
in this case, in this case there is nothing00:39:30
that surprised me just here everything is00:39:32
very clear and00:39:34
transparent they imprisoned him then they released00:39:38
it This is a signal everyone knows the signal Dude you00:39:41
have to leave and if you don’t leave we will imprison you again That’s how they00:39:43
act they’re there00:39:46
like I was also imprisoned for two days they00:39:48
released hinted that there is a week00:39:51
to leave and they did the same they released everyone,00:39:53
let Navalny go to Germany, they00:39:57
were ready to let them leave, love Sobol00:39:59
lo, well, everyone, that is, to leave, you have00:40:03
the opportunity to leave But if you didn’t00:40:05
understand the signal Or you didn’t listen, Well,00:40:07
then the repressive machine is putting you in prison That’s why00:40:10
with Kagarlitsky when he00:40:12
came out for the first time I don’t remember whether it was on the air or00:40:14
somewhere I listened to him, I think, well,00:40:18
don’t you understand that now00:40:20
after these broadcasts you will be imprisoned again, I00:40:22
just felt that they were preparing to be imprisoned.00:40:25
I thought he would realize he00:40:27
left. Well, no. Apparently he’s on to something. then00:40:30
I hoped maybe I hoped for00:40:33
Putin’s statement somewhere on the Valdai00:40:34
Forum where he is there Direct line in my opinion00:40:38
but for me it was obvious and that’s why I00:40:41
wrote the post I tell everyone00:40:43
guys it means whoever doesn’t want is not ready to00:40:46
sit down Yes if you get a signal to wait there’s00:40:49
no need anymore, it’s pointless, the machine is00:40:52
running and no one will00:40:54
discuss you at some high level, it00:40:57
will be decided somewhere on the ground00:41:00
floor by some FSB officer00:41:03
who wants to earn a star for himself,00:41:05
he just takes you and turns00:41:08
you in everything is yes Valdai Forum Dmitry I00:41:11
apologize for the indirect line Valdai00:41:13
Forum Yes good Just everything is clear but the00:41:16
unpredictability of repression is not needed00:41:18
to How to say but to00:41:22
surprise us it is to scare everyone so that00:41:24
Any person does not matter activist journalist00:41:28
oppositionist Or a simple person who00:41:30
just I don’t like this regime00:41:32
so that everyone is afraid because they00:41:33
can come to everyone and they won’t immediately come even to the00:41:35
oppositionist. Look how they00:41:38
accepted agents in general. The logic is incomprehensible,00:41:41
yes, but this is clear to me, this is a00:41:44
special logic, you can’t00:41:55
hit them that they won’t even understand Why00:41:58
not what kind of logic do we act, there is00:42:00
no logic, and then everyone sits intimidated for00:42:03
a long time00:42:06
already, yes, I remember some time ago you00:42:10
talked about the persecution of00:42:11
Russian oppositionists abroad, that there is00:42:14
something there, some00:42:16
updates Well, I don’t have any00:42:19
information yet One day I was stopped at00:42:21
the airport, they said there is00:42:23
a list,00:42:26
in case they have information,00:42:29
no one00:42:31
calls me anymore, okay, let’s move on to00:42:34
Vladimir Putin’s interview with Tar Carlson,00:42:36
also such a loud topic in recent days.00:42:39
Tell me, who did you see? You watched00:42:42
this00:42:43
interview not in its entirety, but in pieces. Well I00:42:47
understand that it was just to force00:42:50
myself to look, there’s00:42:58
nothing new here, there’s nothing I don’t00:43:00
look at who I saw, I’m just trying to00:43:03
calculate what the consequences are, why is this00:43:04
necessary, and it’s obvious to me that on the eve of the00:43:09
adoption of the00:43:11
budget for Ukraine in America, we need to00:43:15
somehow influence the audience of00:43:17
Republicans is tram and apparently the task was00:43:21
to show such a00:43:25
conservative00:43:27
to the00:43:28
audience so that the Republicans do00:43:33
not support this00:43:35
budget. I don’t know, I don’t understand yet. That00:43:38
is, the fact that Putin looked like an idiot to00:43:41
all normal people is obvious. But00:43:44
how did this affect the mood of00:43:47
Trump supporters there? America I’m00:43:50
not ready to tell you yet, for some reason it seems to me00:43:53
that the Interview was00:43:58
received with some kind of indifference,00:44:00
why because it was drawn out at the00:44:01
very beginning there were some00:44:03
references to a huge number of00:44:07
historical facts Well, we won’t00:44:09
discuss now how00:44:12
correct they are it’s just not interesting, it00:44:14
can’t be00:44:16
interesting to them, I’m not even talking about the mistakes of00:44:19
Zelensky’s father in the Federation Council00:44:25
in I think that this is such a blank shot,00:44:28
he didn’t add, didn’t add.00:44:31
And for example, if we take the reaction of the Elites there in00:44:36
European countries, then they saw00:44:38
simply inadequate Putin with whom Well It’s00:44:40
simply pointless to agree on00:44:42
anything,00:44:43
so for America it’s a blank shot,00:44:46
but for Europe it’s an obvious minus an obvious00:44:50
minus, well, the person we are concerned with00:44:53
breaks Hitler justifies and essentially00:44:56
demonstrates exactly the same logic, it00:44:59
scares normal people Well, it’s scary, to00:45:03
put it mildly Yes, Dmitry is good Well,00:45:05
as for the dialogue with Vladimir00:45:07
Putin, yes, we hear from European00:45:10
military officials, politicians, and so00:45:14
on, that a00:45:17
large-scale war with Russia is just around the corner and that Russia00:45:20
can attack European countries, and right there there is a00:45:22
statement that talk to It’s00:45:26
no longer possible for Putin Yes and it’s not necessary Yes,00:45:30
what do you think is coming?00:45:32
I think that we will now00:45:35
see large injections into the00:45:38
military-industrial complex In developed countries That is, if00:45:41
before they00:45:43
lived, let’s say, with civilian00:45:46
technologies Yes, they invested in the IT00:45:49
sector somewhere else, that’s Well objectively, the00:45:52
European armies are generally weak;00:45:56
their potential is very insufficient right now, yes,00:45:58
in order to support Ukraine. Well,00:46:01
that is, at the current moment there is no00:46:04
money, no weapons, nothing, and everyone00:46:07
understands perfectly well that if Putin00:46:09
wins, God forbid, then00:46:12
he, as an imperial, will be forced to continue00:46:16
somehow develop the Empire How can you00:46:19
develop the Empire You must create some kind of armed forces early00:46:24
in order to increase the rating within the country00:46:27
Yes, and demonstrate00:46:29
some kind of potential and try to00:46:31
influence somehow, that is, in general, in fact, a00:46:34
provocation in one of the countries NATO, in00:46:37
order to demonstrate that the00:46:40
fifth point of the NATO charter does not work,00:46:43
they emphasize the point where it is written that an00:46:46
attack on one NATO country00:46:48
is equivalent to an attack on the entire00:46:50
NATO bloc, and then the entire NATO bloc00:46:53
responds in short, I think that in the Kremlin they are00:46:55
confident that in the event of an attack on one00:46:58
From the NATO countries, no one will raise a finger and00:47:01
will try to demonstrate this in every possible way00:47:02
through provocations or00:47:04
something else in the event of Victory in Ukraine,00:47:06
I emphasize. I think this is beginning to be00:47:10
understood, first of all, in the West. They understand perfectly well that00:47:12
if Trump brings it to America, then this00:47:16
can generally happen.00:47:19
say tram, ladies, we won’t speak for00:47:21
anyone for those who00:47:24
don’t say this means that you ca00:47:27
n’t count on America if00:47:28
any problems arise in Europe.00:47:31
This means that, most likely, a00:47:33
military lobby will now appear in different countries,00:47:35
that there will be large injections there.00:47:37
horizon means, well, seven seven-year00:47:40
ten-year investments in this area so00:47:44
that in 5-7 years, and there in00:47:47
countries like Germany France Well,00:47:49
large ones in Great Britain have appeared And00:47:52
modern armies equipped with everything necessary, this is the welt00:47:56
for the next decade and00:48:00
Yes, it will be smooth slowly, but we00:48:03
will get00:48:05
there militarization of Europe militarization of the00:48:08
West it will happen00:48:11
You said in one of the broadcasts there some time00:48:14
ago a few months ago that you are00:48:16
negotiating00:48:18
Well, well, you are communicating at least with00:48:19
European politicians and00:48:22
officials regarding sanctions against00:48:24
ordinary Russians. now what’s on00:48:26
the agenda, is it possible to somehow come into00:48:28
contact, what is their overall position00:48:31
regarding sanctions and other topics00:48:35
related to Russia? Well, there is no such West from the00:48:37
position in the West, there are different politicians with00:48:40
different opinions in different countries in00:48:42
different ways and even There are different parties00:48:45
with different opinions. That is, this is such a00:48:47
big job, there won’t be any00:48:50
quick results, but we00:48:51
are trying to explain as much as possible that And you can’t put an00:48:54
equal sign between Putin, society and,00:48:56
by the way, signatures for hopes We have now00:48:58
received a lot of help because we are00:48:59
talking here people So they came out against00:49:01
the war, not to Putin, not to00:49:05
this Kharitonov, not to Slutsky, they came out00:49:07
to hope, here they are, and protest is00:49:11
difficult because you can00:49:13
get 25 years in prison for protesting, but when00:49:15
any safe opportunity arises00:49:17
People come out That’s why they are we need00:49:20
to support people, we don’t need to fight with people,00:49:21
we need to hit the regime and not the people, as if they had00:49:25
given us an additional trump card.00:49:28
This subscription company, we will00:49:30
continue. Yes, I constantly, right now,00:49:33
tomorrow I’m flying to Munich, there will be a Munich00:49:35
security conference where we have00:49:37
scheduled Inside there are meetings at a very00:49:39
high level, this is the level of ministers,00:49:41
deputy ministers of different countries, where we00:49:44
will discuss all this, exchange00:49:46
opinions, and we have a Working00:49:50
Group in the European Parliament that is the same,00:49:53
where we insist on00:49:56
abandoning discriminatory policies00:49:58
towards Russians and those who left and those00:50:02
who stayed Because now it’s even a00:50:03
problem to get visas There are a00:50:07
lot of problems with bank accounts, it’s all not00:50:09
solved yet, it’s not00:50:10
solved, it all requires a lot of work, but00:50:14
sanctions are adopted much faster than00:50:16
they are lifted. I would say so00:50:26
because they saw people leaving00:50:29
to support there even shake Nadezhda and00:50:32
to protest against the war is very00:50:35
important I hope that noon against00:50:38
Putin will show that there is Putin And there is00:50:42
Russia and there should be no equality here00:50:46
Yes, you know, you mentioned the00:50:49
signatures people asked about noon00:50:51
against Putin But it’s00:50:54
safe they take photographs and so on But00:50:56
people are afraid for obvious reasons in00:50:59
Russia. And here it’s quite dangerous to express00:51:02
one’s opinion even legally. Yes, I00:51:05
have a large number of friends there00:51:06
who didn’t sign for Nadezhda00:51:08
because they were afraid to hand over00:51:10
personal data. But here it’s already on00:51:12
TV screens. there are different00:51:15
Solovyovs who say thank you to00:51:17
Nadezhdino for collecting the signatures of00:51:20
enemies of the people. This is what to expect. Is00:51:23
repression really possible here?00:51:25
And about the00:51:27
safety of this action, noon against00:51:29
Putin Well, when you go and give your00:51:32
passport data, it’s one and the same story00:51:35
Yes, and people are fine we understood,00:51:37
nevertheless, we took such risks, but when you00:51:39
go to the polling station, we do not00:51:42
encourage you to shout out something,00:51:44
take banners, we encourage you to go, as00:51:46
it were, well, the election commission is calling for a00:51:49
choice. Well, it’s great that people go to vote. Yes,00:51:52
you are not obliged to share your passport00:51:56
and you don’t have to say who you’re00:51:58
voting for or whether you’re voting at all.00:52:01
It’s much safer. How do they00:52:04
know? You came to vote for Putin or00:52:06
against it, well, it’s impossible to prove here00:52:09
because there will be a small percentage of00:52:10
those who didn’t know about this action, they00:52:13
just came at 12 there are no hours this is00:52:16
the maximum this is let's say the most00:52:18
secure format there is nothing safer00:52:21
but if they don’t do anything Well then it’s00:52:25
like I once asked Valery Zubov00:52:27
Remember there was such a deputy saying that it’s a00:52:29
long time to wait for change says Dmitry00:52:32
says Well if you wait a00:52:33
long time00:52:35
that’s why it was very good answer I remember00:52:38
I really liked this is the00:52:40
safest format that can00:52:42
be that they will cancel the noon time to00:52:45
daylight saving time they will switch to 12 o'clock who knows00:52:48
Dmitry will kind of hit them that00:52:51
they will detain everyone who came to the station00:52:52
I doubt it will be00:52:54
like for00:52:57
worse Thank you very much Yes thank you00:53:00
personally yours today was politician00:53:02
Dmitry Gudkov Dmitry Thank you we will00:53:05
watch Yes the broadcasts on a live nail on00:53:08
them continue after us in a dissenting00:53:10
opinion Sergei Parkhomenko then in the00:53:12
hearing program Echo Sergei rebel00:53:14
Kirill Rogov in a dissenting opinion in the evening the00:53:16
price of the issue with Sergei Aleksashenko and00:53:18
Liza Anikina traditionally Well,00:53:21
for those who sleep until the end of the day, let’s say00:53:23
the program 69 minutes00:53:26
is Lisa Lazerson and Oleg Kashin will00:53:29
discuss the topics of the past week Thank you00:53:32
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