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[music]

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Hello 17 o'clock in Moscow 15 o'clock

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in Berlin Where are we with Leonid

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Gozman Hello Leoni this is a

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program in the human dimension of

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the week with Leonid Gozman My name is

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Irina Babayan Let me remind you that our program

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consists of several parts

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First we discuss the

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psychology of the events of one of the main

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events weeks that Leonid and I

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choose, then we talk a little about the

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good about the little good that

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we are in a week, which

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means the third part is on the other side of the

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event, this is generally everything that is off the agenda,

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but it still somehow concerns the

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events that are happening today Well,

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in the end 5-7 minutes, if we have time, Leonid

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will answer several questions that

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I receive on Telegram in the

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comments under the post of our

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program, but I will also look at the chat.

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Don’t forget to also like there are

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no two banners. As you may have

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noticed, they did not return from yesterday’s

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event Maxim gave a

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lecture about the film hunger and

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the banners were standing in the theater waba they

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couldn’t come from there but

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nevertheless you can donate if there is such an

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opportunity qr code you see a living

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nail on the screen and echo in the application on the

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site you will find all the information in general,

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everything that needs to be said And well, your kind

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reviews, as always, Leonid’s thoughts are read

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or not, I learned to answer

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not all at once, but Write comments

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to this program, thereby you

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promote all the broadcasts of the nail Well, let's

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start the psychology of the event,

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you and I, of course, we have chosen the topic Yes, you

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know, we chose a topic that, against the backdrop of

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all the madness, the outrage of crimes, does not

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look so crazy, it is nonsense, no, it

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looks stupid, but it does

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n’t look scary at all, this is a

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reconstruction of the Battle of Stalingrad,

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which was carried out just now when

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Vladimir Vladimirovich deigned to visit

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Stalingrad for one day,

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put Stalingrad there flowers say a

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speech There and so on, at the same time

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a reconstruction was carried out, which means in general

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I want to note that the role of reconstruction and

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reenactors in our life is huge,

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it is underestimated, do you know that he

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played in the reconstruction or there was a

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reconstruction correctly called

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Comrade Riflemen

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they played in this business here the same one

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who was a life-long

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reenactor for the Malaysian battle,

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Comrade Borodai, who at the

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beginning was

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not by night

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the chief in the so-called Donetsk People's Republic,

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and so on, that is,

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reenactors know such

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serious things. Here they are among those who are

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responsible for the crime of war

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in the middle of not the exit of the performers is clear

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that they themselves are shooters. And so to speak, the war

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began, they allowed him to do this, but

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still, there is an audience among them for some reason.

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Yes, that means they are

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engaged. Our authorities are engaged in

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creating and

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reproducing the past, their favorite thing in general.

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entertainment to tell how

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it was yes How it was always for me

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as it was never as it was

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understand they create it rewrite

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the past means create create

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if you really build for example that is the

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material from which you

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make something it resists here there is

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resistance of the material You must

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overcome it The past also resists

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because it really was it really

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was and you are redrawing it You need to

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close the archives

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I think that we are the only country in the

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world of

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normal countries whose

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archives of World War II are still closed

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World War II three generations

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have passed, there are no

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living people left not to be afraid. So

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they are afraid of something and it seems to me that they

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are afraid, they are afraid not only of the past, they are not

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afraid of the present. But

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for them, what has passed turns out to be more important, which means

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why

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their reconstruction is not harmless No, this is what

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I saw in America somehow they

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call it creative archaic there the guys

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changed their clothes some kind of ancient clothes

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waving some funny swords

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this is a game here it’s all serious real

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tanks real guns there horses are

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well fed leading with their hooves

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some guards are galloping there and so on it’s

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all nonsense why should I it seems

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that

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the correct past, from their point of view,

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justifies the present and justifies the

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absence of a future. For this you need

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to have a correct past, you look at

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why suddenly we have completely disengaged from the

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world, so the guys, of course, have always been

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against us.

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They were always against us and there was

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no Lend-Lease and there weren’t any of

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our valiant allies, I’m quoting

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anyone but Comrade Stalin, who

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exclusively called our

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valiant allies that way. Sorry, I’ll

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send it again. If anyone hasn’t seen the film

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Hunger, look at Maxim Kournikov, where it

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is shown How the Americans save us,

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of course, of course, and they didn’t save us, and

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they have always been against us and so on,

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one question was asked a few years

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ago, vegetarian times. Who were on the

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side of the Soviet Union with Hitler

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in Volgograd,

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this is not just an attempt to remind about

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the tragedy, and especially until they

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intervened with their husband to repeat

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this in our country tragedy always remembered

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always remembered how scary it was

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remembered for several generations Yes, no, I won’t

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remember You know how to change it I

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looked at the footage from there Soldiers in

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such a clean uniform Here’s a brand

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new uniform for the soldiers and where is he,

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two million people were put under steel

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2 million people the population of the Little

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Country

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is estimated to be either one and a half

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million on our side, or half a million on both sides,

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I don’t know, two million two

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million

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instead they didn’t show it,

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but the one lying there was not removed Yes, and

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in general they

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showed it, they didn’t show it, it’s not

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presentable It looks like they showed it

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these well-fed, happy, clean

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soldiers, at the same time, you understand, this is

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a lie, they give people who do

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not know fear and doubt, just like with

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realism, they

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went forward, thereby destroying the

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feat, this feat,

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this is Overcoming fear, this is

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Overcoming pain, this is Overcoming

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everything, in the name of

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something you are there you mean it somehow for yourself

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Yes, no one, of course,

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shouted for Stalin except for sometimes

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political officers there, when the authorities came out, the bosses

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were present, but

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for something people gave their lives, it’s true

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It was true, yes, but that’s not what they

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show, their war is a lie

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you know, there is a guy Jonah Degen last name he was a

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tanker in 1944 he was a tanker in

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1944 he was 19 years old for the

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third year already for the third year he was already at war 19

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year old guy

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deceived everyone he was able to go and he

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then wrote poems that in general

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and well, there are no such things in school

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textbooks, this is a real war, it’s

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another,

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my comrade in mortal agony. Don’t call your

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friends in vain. Let me

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warm your palms over

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your smoking blood. Do

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n’t cry, don’t become small. You’re not wounded. You’re

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just killed.

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Let me take off

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your felt boots as a souvenir. We still have to advance.

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they are facing another war, they are showing something that was invented,

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which really can be repeated,

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why should I do this, firstly, in the past,

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firstly, they need to justify today’s

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madness, they need to justify them They celebrate

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Stalingrad because under Bakhmut,

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despite other scales,

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approximately the same thing is happening, approximately the

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same thing now they need to justify this, they need

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to find an excuse, you listened to Putin there,

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he says that you won’t believe leopards are

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again on our borders.

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Why do you understand this also? Forgive

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the insanity, it’s not necessarily his personal responsibility in our

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government, because

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how could one construct a phrase well and beautifully

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without distorting reality?

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one could say we destroyed the tigers

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and we will even destroy the leopards, then

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everything could be done. Not everything is great. No,

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instead he is talking some kind of

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nonsense. It’s some kind of nightmare, and here it comes, you

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understand that such a war doesn’t

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work out, that’s why reconstruction in

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the war doesn’t work out. At first he

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really wanted to return to the Victory Parade.

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His dream was the apparatus of victory, so the

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Victory Parade on Khreshchatyk was great, it didn’t

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work out a little, it didn’t work out,

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now he’s returning to Stalingrad, to the

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worst loss, the hardest

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battle of this war, that war, yes,

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because now the same goes, he needs to be

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told that it’s

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like Naturally, yes, the past needs to be

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rewritten and it’s necessary to prohibit talking about the

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present past. It’s not just archives.

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Look, Prigozhin is a sweetheart. Which means

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he’s now making a contribution; he doesn’t have the

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right to say the

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law of creative initiative, but he doesn’t

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less, but he can understand everything, he’s

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a guardsman, that’s why he wrote to Volodin,

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in my opinion, he wrote a-and who from the

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essential vacuum supports him

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all the time wrote to him, which means a letter uh with a

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request to pass a law that will prohibit

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talking about the criminal past of his fighters,

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you understand guys They’re good Now they are

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heroes, they realized everything They are fighting for the

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Motherland

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well Well, they were criminals or not,

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he killed his mother or not Killed killed Yes, but you

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can’t say he went out to rob people

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on the streets, he raped a girl No you

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can’t say that is, here they are They

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prohibit They prohibit the past Why

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with what purpose Because they need the

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right past I need the wrong thing

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they need a miracle Bogatyrs they are criminals they

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need

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people who don’t know fear and doubt

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who sacrificed their lives so that they don’t

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now also sacrifice their lives For their

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sake for the sake of it’s not clear what you understand These

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people are needed and they are afraid of the present

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very bad in the present, look,

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on the same trip of

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our leader to Stalingrad,

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there was such an episode, he lays flowers.

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Well, the point is clear. Yes, it is laid, and next to

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them stand the Soldiers of the honor guard

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who are guarding this Mona, Ira, they stand

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without weapons,

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they stand without such weapons. sometimes

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listen Because I remember before at

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similar events They stood, of

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course, there is a photograph from five years ago,

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they stand there with some kind of

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ceremonial sabers, the sabers may be

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cardboard, but they are standing, but they are there, listen,

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they put these very Pioneers of the Young People

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in an honor guard, they are given wooden

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machine guns Well there is a certain ritual.

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You see, there is a ritual, but they even

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violate the rituals, like breaking the liturgy, you

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know, in the church for the sake of it, it means

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rewriting, you know that

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the most holy patriarch put into service a

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guy who was a hieromonk of some kind

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who replaced the prescribed prayer in the prayer,

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replaced the word victory with the word peace, he

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asked The Lord does not have victory, but peace, for

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which the patriarch banned him from serving, there is no

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need for peace, victory, that's when in Moscow the

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Prospekt Mira station and Prospekt Mira station are

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variable, necessarily because it is

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wrong, it is wrong, and

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they understand this. It was invented and the

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past begins to intersect with

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reality, and this always very poorly

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remember how in the film the tail is a

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dog, everything was fine While they lived in a

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fictional world Well, when they come up with

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something Well, I don’t know, the audience

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probably knows the film, but at the end, plus when

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they tried to introduce a real person into this fiction That’s

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all and it

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began and ended remember How the

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war ended with the

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real war the real war the

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United States bomber

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flew to bomb Albania for real

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this is actually happening and this is what

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they are

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leading to and they are

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trying to bring this into reality They

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said that thousands of people watched it

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maybe there and drove thousands people, but that does

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n’t mean that thousands of people watched it.

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If people are imprisoned according to the order, they did

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n’t watch anything. And they didn’t say that

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there were guests from different countries from Serbia

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from the Czech Republic, and where else can you

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imagine a sane person who

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would [ __ ] from Prague to Volgograd to watch

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this insanity Moreover, even

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now you can’t fly directly. It’s

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fantastic. Absolutely Yes, but they

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do it all the time, remember they

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made a film there 34 tank T-34

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I really didn’t watch it.

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I watched it. It’s impossible, absolutely

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impossible,

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they declared it the leader in the box office And we

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Lukashenko declared himself president Well

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what now Yes, my favorite person I

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have a favorite person in Russian politics, I just absolutely admit it. This is

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how it is coming out, yes this is Dmitry

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Alekseevich Rogozin, when I look at him, I

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admire everything

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in him, everything is just like that, Dmitrievich

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Rogozin wrote book you will laugh

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he is also a writer he wrote a book In

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general, you probably heard somewhere This

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title On the Western Front Without Changes

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he wrote this Novel It’s true there the

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word without is written with the letter C Why

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I don’t know without changes S Yes this is the

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internal Demons in they spoke to him

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the book was printed in a circulation of 7.5 thousand

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copies millions could be millions

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this is only the beginning of the history of the world

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there for two or some months

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they were sold in all major networks

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and It sold as many as 100 copies a hundred

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You know what to do the publishing house

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is printing more There is

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not enough

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There is not enough Well of 7.5 thousand bought 100

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means they didn’t print enough, they need to

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print more So they will print more

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28 heroes of Panfilov’s men who weren’t there But

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they weren’t known who invented them

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and so Mr. Red Star

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They weren’t there and the memorial to them is a

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real memorial made of stone So there you go

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in fact, there are always real ceremonies.

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Here too, except for

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all the myths, Brezhnev created no longer

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fought at this time, at least at

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least he didn’t

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fight. So they come up with it.

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Yesterday is not Stalingrad time. And

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yesterday Rogozin said I can’t

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love

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that he found the tugal demon and the crew

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that wounded him there below the back

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and they will kill everyone. We will all take revenge, why should we take

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revenge for this place of Rogozin and not for

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something else, even if we take their

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point of view that these are the enemies of the Nazis and

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so on why she is not taking revenge for

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a few words, let’s say these same

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mobilized guys who were

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killed in Makeyevka, the question is, is it

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necessary to take revenge for the ass

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because Rogozin’s ass is worth

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[music]

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Look, and while they were sitting more or less

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quietly, the world looked quite calmly at

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what our state comes up with

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internally to say whatever you want,

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they didn’t call Volshevets Although Out

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was liberated by the Soviet army It would seem

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how could it be, but I don’t know what they

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actually say, they say the guys So you did

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n’t strive to do a good

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deed even then, you just went ahead and

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they liberated the road and then those whom you liberated

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as part of your own camp ended up in your

00:21:12

soldiers Thank you and Eternal memory

00:21:14

to the soldiers But your state did not stand here,

00:21:20

it is now collapsing on

00:21:24

all sides, a picture of the past has been invented

00:21:25

and this is how they

00:21:27

are trying to hold on to it and you and I have already

00:21:31

said that a feat disappears disappears and

00:21:33

remains

00:21:35

deep remains a popular print, you understand,

00:21:39

the dignity of a particular person disappears, who

00:21:42

really at some point didn’t

00:21:45

just find himself in the path of a projectile, there

00:21:48

were also

00:21:50

countless of them. Well, the person didn’t

00:21:53

do anything. They just brought him in and he

00:21:55

got hit. everyone was under fire, and there were

00:21:59

such people, and there were quite a few of them, who

00:22:02

actually made some

00:22:04

fantastic

00:22:06

self-sacrifice of everything else,

00:22:08

they are not there, they are being destroyed, no one remembers, it

00:22:12

turns out that

00:22:16

they are free people,

00:22:19

that they freely made this

00:22:22

choice If a person accepted the decision was not

00:22:26

necessarily verbalized there, he was pondered,

00:22:28

but he acted like a

00:22:31

free man and so he freely

00:22:35

decided to do so, not to retreat but to stand. I

00:22:39

won’t let my trench through, I won’t let the fascists

00:22:42

through,

00:22:44

these people should be erected a monument and

00:22:47

the monument should not be like here in

00:22:49

Berlin it is customary to grow of a person so that you

00:22:52

can look into his eyes,

00:22:54

you know, the

00:22:56

cyclopean figures next to whom you are a

00:22:59

worm is generally incomprehensible, yes, they

00:23:04

carried out a

00:23:05

reconstruction,

00:23:08

they cannot cope with the past and the present,

00:23:11

they have no future, they are trying

00:23:14

to correspond with the past. Everything would be

00:23:17

fine; they do it at the cost of their lives.

00:23:20

So,

00:23:22

having started talking about free people, you and I

00:23:24

smoothly moved on to the

00:23:26

fight against evil and to victory over evil, I would

00:23:30

even say so,

00:23:33

today we

00:23:37

will talk about free, fearless people, yes, yes, it exists, although

00:23:44

everything seems hopeless, that’s actually

00:23:47

someone... then it resists here on your

00:23:50

site, here it is important to understand what

00:23:51

you are resisting.

00:23:54

In the late 60s,

00:23:56

there were a lot of good people in the world

00:23:59

who fought for peace, fight for Peace.

00:24:03

They fought against the nuclear threat, they

00:24:08

fought against American imperialism,

00:24:10

Israeli Zionism, and with someone else.

00:24:13

and in general they fought for peace and

00:24:16

many of them were sincere people

00:24:19

who said Well, how can they

00:24:21

start throwing nuclear bombs, the world

00:24:24

will perish It must be stopped and so on, yes,

00:24:27

everything was correct, but in fact it was

00:24:29

not quite the right choice, the goal was chosen

00:24:32

point of application because, well, it is clear

00:24:35

that this movement for peace of that time was

00:24:37

largely sponsored in the

00:24:40

Soviet Union by Soviet intelligence There

00:24:42

and so on So in fact it was

00:24:46

aimed at

00:24:47

weakening the United States,

00:24:51

weakening Western countries and

00:24:53

promoting Soviet expansion to

00:24:56

promote war as since these

00:24:59

good people there were really a

00:25:01

lot of good people in America in Europe,

00:25:04

they in general Well, they didn’t always

00:25:06

understand this Unfortunately, yes, well, especially

00:25:09

since they still lived at home. They saw that

00:25:12

their rulers were far from White and

00:25:15

fluffy they lie and steal Well, where And where

00:25:19

without this yes And that’s why somehow they were so

00:25:21

actively engaged in this right now it’s

00:25:25

also very important to understand And we are against what

00:25:29

you know I read

00:25:33

Yavlinsky today about the need to immediately

00:25:36

conclude Peace

00:25:37

Now this is a terribly smart man

00:25:42

he is an intelligent person is not an enemy, but it is not

00:25:47

necessary to fight not against violence As such,

00:25:51

because violence happens In defense Well, of

00:25:53

course Well, if a girl was attacked by a

00:25:56

rapist, she [ __ ] him with a brick, is that

00:25:59

wrong?

00:26:05

the hand stops

00:26:09

at this moment, in my opinion there is no

00:26:13

help if you can

00:26:16

help contribute at

00:26:19

least I sympathize and don’t

00:26:22

judge and don’t say that Well, how

00:26:26

can you not raise your hand on a person

00:26:28

looking at someone? Sometimes you need to do it without

00:26:32

this then it’s

00:26:37

clear that now cease fire

00:26:41

now Well, of course It’s up to the Ukrainians to decide,

00:26:44

but from the outside it’s only

00:26:48

aggrosur that benefits anyone else. Well,

00:26:51

okay. I’m just saying that not all

00:26:54

good wishes are really a

00:26:56

fight against evil. And some good

00:26:58

wishes

00:26:59

have micro-contributed to evil, how is that

00:27:03

not sad, there’s still resistance

00:27:07

I want to talk about there are three levels of

00:27:09

resistance, in fact, there is one within

00:27:12

myself, I don’t tell anyone, I’m on my own,

00:27:16

here I am, I don’t believe them, I’m not afraid, I

00:27:20

despise them, whatever I want, I’m not with them, this

00:27:24

resistance is a very important resistance,

00:27:26

I preserve the immortal soul just the thought

00:27:30

of this

00:27:34

was written by Khan Ara, she said that

00:27:38

She was shocked by the behavior of the Nazis

00:27:41

because a criminal in Africa is a criminal,

00:27:44

what difference does it make? She was

00:27:48

shocked by the behavior of some

00:27:50

intellectuals who said how

00:27:52

they have their own truth The people are for them

00:27:54

You need to understand them,

00:27:57

here you don’t need to understand them There is no need

00:28:01

to look for the truth from them, they are bandits, they are

00:28:04

Bandits, they have no rights, you just need to

00:28:05

understand that they are bandits enough. This is the

00:28:08

first shock; one level of resistance is

00:28:10

very important.

00:28:12

I hope that tens of

00:28:14

millions of our fellow citizens are resisting now, if the

00:28:17

level of resistance is much more so to

00:28:19

speak, heroically pay for it

00:28:21

it happens when

00:28:23

I demonstrate the same thing,

00:28:28

others see it,

00:28:31

I go out with a poster,

00:28:35

I take a risk

00:28:37

and they put me in jail, I laugh at them, I write something

00:28:44

about one thing,

00:28:48

I’m like

00:28:51

heroic people like

00:28:54

Alexey Navalny,

00:28:57

Volodya Kara Mursa

00:28:59

Chanysheva,

00:29:01

Alexey Gorinov, Yes, I’m demonstrating in

00:29:05

what way It would seem a hopeless situation, I

00:29:08

demonstrate that I still haven’t given up,

00:29:10

yes, but I don’t care that in reality we do

00:29:14

n’t know how Navalny feels

00:29:16

to me or Yashin there, I don’t know,

00:29:20

we see

00:29:23

the products of the activity. They

00:29:26

transmit some texts through lawyers,

00:29:30

write

00:29:32

several theses, wrote I

00:29:36

contributed to this camera to write for him, I don’t

00:29:38

really understand, to be honest, I can’t imagine

00:29:40

it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter what

00:29:43

is important is that there is a name Navalny or

00:29:46

Yashin. Yes, recently there was a brilliant text of his

00:29:49

and a text appears with his signature,

00:29:53

they mock him, they torture

00:29:56

him. they want

00:29:57

to kill him and he still stands there as if

00:30:02

nothing had happened. Yes, this is a free hero.

00:30:06

This is another. This is the next level of

00:30:08

resistance, but there is, well, who is

00:30:12

helping? Another level of resistance, of

00:30:14

course, this is very important. This is help, this is the

00:30:18

level of action

00:30:22

[music]

00:30:24

what are you doing? -then you do

00:30:27

this action is also different, you can there, I do

00:30:33

n’t know, conditionally help me with lethal

00:30:34

weapons, you can deliver bulletproof vests,

00:30:37

helmets, something else there so that you don’t

00:30:39

kill people, that’s okay. You can,

00:30:42

like many people do now, collect money

00:30:45

to buy the necessary things there,

00:30:51

my friends they pass on collecting money for the

00:30:55

stove and generators,

00:30:57

which means Putin is destroying the energy system

00:30:59

to condemn people to cold and

00:31:02

darkness, and so on, and someone says no

00:31:05

guys, I can’t fix everything Yes, they are all why

00:31:09

can I heat it, here you go,

00:31:12

take it, I sent it to you,

00:31:14

the car has arrived. This is what we bought. God bless you.

00:31:17

Let's, yes, too, yes, but someone is going to the

00:31:22

next level of action, this is

00:31:25

direct resistance, look, there

00:31:28

were quite a lot of

00:31:31

attacks on cars with the letter Z. I saw a

00:31:36

photo, the glass was broken, [ __ ] was poured on the tires,

00:31:39

something else was cut. But here

00:31:43

now in growing up I gave two years eight

00:31:46

months to the guy and brought humanism two years

00:31:49

seven months The girls are spouses, young

00:31:52

guys

00:31:53

Oleg Denis 24 years old Kuznetsova and 22 years old

00:31:57

they burned to the ground a car with the letter Z

00:32:01

that had been lying there to the local

00:32:03

counter-police

00:32:06

humanely they acted humanely I must say I really don’t

00:32:08

know how it happened like the lawyer is very

00:32:09

good, or maybe they somehow paid off their

00:32:11

connections. I don’t know how they were convicted under a light charge,

00:32:13

uh, and then not to the maximum, uh, you

00:32:16

can give 5 years, and maybe it was

00:32:19

actually terrorism. Why no, yes,

00:32:20

because it’s not murder, uh -uh What if there was

00:32:23

someone sitting there in this position? Yes, but

00:32:25

they were given a colony of the population, but the

00:32:28

guys took risks, the guys took risks,

00:32:31

Freedom was not just the Freedom of life they

00:32:33

risked, in fact, yes, in order

00:32:35

to destroy this machine, they must

00:32:38

destroy this machine, arson at

00:32:41

the military registration and enlistment offices

00:32:43

for this There’s already an article on terrorism, but

00:32:48

I don’t know whether it should be done or not. I’m in

00:32:51

no way calling for, for example,

00:32:52

calling for the fact that Yes, I

00:32:55

definitely won’t set fire,

00:32:57

no

00:33:00

in Berlin, definitely

00:33:02

in Berlin, not in Uryupinsk anywhere, but I won’t

00:33:07

pick up a machine gun, but so I

00:33:09

can’t invoke the lesson of the Armed Forces in a

00:33:11

relative struggle That’s all, but why would

00:33:14

I tell you if this guy set fire to the military registration and enlistment office?

00:33:18

And that means the police were chasing him there

00:33:21

and he was able to escape, I’ll be

00:33:24

happy for him.

00:33:26

I’m on his side. If I could,

00:33:30

if he was there. was running And I was

00:33:32

in the car at that moment Yes, I would Let

00:33:36

's leave and then further on I'm not

00:33:40

the judge I don't know you right I

00:33:42

did it wrong Here But I don't want you to be taken I'm on

00:33:45

your side anyway on your

00:33:49

side not on theirs not on those who

00:33:51

mobilize the wrong ones against those who are persecuting you

00:33:53

There and so on I don’t know if this is right

00:33:57

or not I don’t know Is it right to get

00:33:58

20 years for such a thing and keep in mind the whole

00:34:03

[music]

00:34:04

don’t let the husband out but let’s say the

00:34:08

government changes, some will go mitigation Yes,

00:34:12

of course, the army will be released for disqualification;

00:34:13

for fakes, they will most likely be released; but for

00:34:17

terrorism, they may or may not, they may or may not,

00:34:21

you’re asking for a few more years until the next

00:34:23

iteration. I don’t know if it’s worth it, but what I mean is

00:34:27

that there are people who do this, and

00:34:33

these people and who - there is a fight there in

00:34:36

Ukraine Yes, I don’t know how many

00:34:38

people there are in this legion of Russian Freedom

00:34:40

or the Russian region of Freedom What

00:34:41

is it called? Yes, I don’t know how many there are,

00:34:43

maybe there are six of them there, a

00:34:45

photograph that I saw, it was

00:34:47

not very numerous. But this it doesn’t

00:34:50

matter, I’m not talking about the quantity, I’m not talking about

00:34:52

what role they

00:34:54

can contribute to the overall victory, it doesn’t matter, but the

00:34:57

fact is that among our fellow citizens there are

00:35:00

people who go to

00:35:03

such a serious fight

00:35:06

and you understand, I actually don’t really care

00:35:09

I know how

00:35:11

I don’t have a clear position Besides

00:35:14

those that I said that I helped this

00:35:15

guy escape, I would like to help him

00:35:18

escape and I’m glad if he escaped, you understand.

00:35:21

On the one hand, I know that it was

00:35:26

not Kirensky who came to power by force, but the

00:35:29

Bolsheviks,

00:35:31

they came by force Yes, and it seems like they

00:35:34

wore it gives birth to violence There and so on and

00:35:37

so on So it’s clear that an innocent person can suffer

00:35:40

and everything else, yes, you know, I

00:35:44

can’t help myself, I can’t

00:35:45

sympathize with that captain of ours

00:35:49

who

00:35:51

listened to the story, he spoke in Donetsk

00:35:56

to whom -that’s when he showed the skull

00:35:59

of a human Skull and said that it was

00:36:02

the skull of one of the Nazis made of steel, I

00:36:05

think he said that he killed him. I don’t

00:36:08

know. And that all Ukrainians should be like this and so

00:36:12

on, and now there was a message that

00:36:15

he was killed.

00:36:19

You know I got it I can’t sympathize I

00:36:23

can’t sympathize with him I understand that this is an

00:36:25

extrajudicial execution I understand that it is not

00:36:28

necessary for there to be a trial lawyers the presumption of

00:36:30

innocence there I understand everything everything of course of

00:36:34

course the court of a lawyer the presumption of

00:36:36

innocence the rights of the accused I

00:36:41

can’t sympathize Well I can’t

00:36:43

sympathize as I can’t sympathize

00:36:46

to the one who

00:36:49

burned the car with the letter Z,

00:36:54

in fact, this is a terrible time in

00:36:56

which we are in which, at most,

00:36:59

Maxim Kurnik and I once discussed on the air

00:37:02

How, what is it like when you involuntarily You

00:37:06

understand that chewing on death is bad but

00:37:08

you involuntarily Who do you wish of death Yes, and

00:37:12

you are trying to suppress this feeling in yourself

00:37:15

because, in principle, chewing on death is

00:37:16

very bad, but you can’t do anything about it

00:37:18

because these thoughts come

00:37:20

into your head there a hundred times a day, now there are

00:37:24

discussions that were right there, we all

00:37:27

people are engaged in linguistics actively

00:37:29

you can say ours you can’t say

00:37:31

ours So you say ours then you are

00:37:34

with Putin if you stayed You

00:37:37

should be with Putin There is too

00:37:39

much free time

00:37:43

I always say ours and that’s when there’s a

00:37:48

message about how the Ukrainians

00:37:52

covered another group there with shells and

00:37:55

there were a lot of mobilized people who

00:37:57

died there, maybe they didn’t even have time to

00:37:58

pick up a weapon, they all stole them and sent them off like that,

00:38:03

and here I am, there’s

00:38:06

no logical way out because

00:38:10

I feel sorry for them.

00:38:12

Well, they’re fools. Of course, most of them,

00:38:15

maybe they would still remember,

00:38:18

but I don’t remember, they’ve

00:38:20

already killed I don’t remember,

00:38:24

or they hid, they didn’t go to this

00:38:27

mobilization,

00:38:29

they realized that no one attacked us, that it was

00:38:32

generally terrible, we had to surrender, got captured, of course

00:38:44

Putin killed them. Well, it’s clear that the

00:38:46

Ukrainians

00:38:50

defend themselves, this is when in that war, if a

00:38:54

soldier was caught in front,

00:39:12

they would

00:39:15

not have killed for that so that they don’t kill them, they must be

00:39:18

killed. This is a nightmare, this is horror, this is horror and

00:39:23

I have no logical way out of this,

00:39:27

and of course

00:39:28

these Bastards have driven

00:39:33

half of the planet into this terrible situation

00:39:36

when, really, here we are, we are

00:39:40

moving away from our

00:39:42

own principles, which is how, well, this is

00:39:45

life priceless There and so on

00:39:49

I have two short questions one

00:39:51

will lead us to our last topic for

00:39:55

today And the first ones here we are when you

00:39:57

talked about actions about direct

00:39:59

action resistance within yourself and

00:40:02

inaction can be action when you do

00:40:04

n’t do something bad for the sake of something- then

00:40:07

good things you remember, we remember the

00:40:10

famous German photo here

00:40:13

when everyone is zigging and one is not,

00:40:15

he wasn’t zigging, there was one who didn’t

00:40:19

shoot,

00:40:23

but there was inaction, he didn’t shoot. There was one who didn’t shoot, but for

00:40:26

this he could have been shot and he understood this

00:40:31

if inaction was just logs are not

00:40:35

resistance But if you understand

00:40:37

what you don’t do You don’t understand to the

00:40:39

students at school you don’t tell this

00:40:41

nonsense that

00:40:43

because of this you can be fired you understand and

00:40:47

when everyone stood up it didn’t stand up when everyone

00:40:50

applauded and no when everyone shot from and

00:40:52

no didn’t shake a hand didn’t shake a hand Yes, it’s

00:40:56

all very very important, in fact

00:40:58

it’s very important because it’s

00:41:01

meaningful if

00:41:03

Oh God it’s meaningful if this is

00:41:06

resistance if there could be

00:41:09

Punishment for this then this is resistance if

00:41:13

no one knows this no one will know yes And here

00:41:19

I am, and I’m sitting here Yes, they told

00:41:23

everyone to stand up and in chorus the 5th anthem I

00:41:25

didn’t get up in my kitchen at home, no pilgin, no

00:41:28

one got up, in fact, no one got

00:41:32

up And so of course refuse to

00:41:34

refuse

00:41:38

Hero of the Soviet Union team of ears

00:41:43

that part which was suppressing

00:41:45

Novocherkassk when he was ordered

00:41:49

to use tanks, he replied I

00:41:53

don’t see an enemy for tanks in front of me

00:41:59

and refused to use Tanks and sent

00:42:03

his soldiers without

00:42:05

ammunition without ammunition, but he did

00:42:11

n’t know how it would end

00:42:13

for him, of course, that’s understandable yes Well,

00:42:18

at least they could have imprisoned

00:42:20

just put in prison Stalin died quite recently

00:42:25

So all this was in the memory of everyone, the

00:42:29

general owner was really a hero,

00:42:33

and coming to our final

00:42:37

part on the other side On the other side of

00:42:39

the agenda, you and I will talk about the

00:42:41

Arab consciousness, but I have a question here

00:42:45

he is just in the middle between the

00:42:47

last topic of this and resistance

00:42:49

within yourself when it happens but

00:42:52

resistance to the

00:42:53

truth that you hear. So you look.

00:42:56

You see, you seem to be there, even

00:43:00

well, look at our program, but you

00:43:02

resist it, it seems to you that

00:43:05

this information is Wrong

00:43:07

psychotherapy is the concept of resistance

00:43:10

when a

00:43:12

person resists recovery they

00:43:16

try to help him recover, that is,

00:43:20

get rid of the illusory world in which

00:43:23

he lives, but he doesn’t want to because in the

00:43:26

illusory world Comfort is more comfortable and

00:43:29

this resistance is, well, I don’t know, I would

00:43:32

n’t call it

00:43:34

the meaning of

00:43:38

resistance But it’s like it wouldn’t be

00:43:42

exactly resistance, you understand the

00:43:45

speech,

00:43:47

you

00:43:48

resist if you don’t want to

00:43:51

listen to the truth, if they tell you about the storm,

00:43:53

and you say that the Ukrainians arranged everything themselves,

00:43:55

then you are trying to stay in the

00:44:02

comfortable world in which you lived before

00:44:04

because if you defend your

00:44:07

Comfort because that I keep coming back to

00:44:09

Katya Gordeeva’s interview with Shevchuk where

00:44:14

he talks about how he proposes to his

00:44:17

friend Come with me, Helsinki is

00:44:19

literally across the strait and I’ll show you

00:44:22

what Europe really looks like and he

00:44:24

says something that I haven’t seen there Well, here it

00:44:25

is that's when, when you just

00:44:28

understand, probably somewhere deep inside,

00:44:30

that If you see that everything there is not

00:44:33

as you imagined, then your world

00:44:36

will collapse. Let's mean

00:44:38

this is a terribly interesting thing. I can

00:44:41

tell you a very interesting experiment

00:44:42

connected with this. That's about how a person

00:44:46

turns out to receive information And why

00:44:49

And what does it all lead to? Perhaps

00:44:51

this is still a separate topic.

00:44:53

We will do this separately, yes, yes, we will

00:44:57

look into it. These are terribly interesting things and

00:44:59

what is it, very optimistic

00:45:01

results are obtained. How much depends

00:45:04

on one person, how much depends on

00:45:06

one person doesn’t have to be God for this,

00:45:08

it’s enough to just be a person,

00:45:10

we’ll take it, yes. But the

00:45:13

pro-slavery consciousness, you know, it’s just something

00:45:16

that they constantly tell us, I

00:45:19

hear it all the time, listen, I speak to

00:45:21

Ukrainians on their broadcasts all the time, almost

00:45:24

every day a couple of times a day, yes,

00:45:28

I hear this in the comments But yes,

00:45:32

well, you seem like a decent

00:45:34

person there, that’s all, how many of them do you have there?

00:45:37

Well, 2-3, but generally speaking, all Russians are

00:45:40

slaves There and so on or there funnier,

00:45:46

but what the Russians do, all the slaves

00:45:48

there and other garbage, it’s some kind of horror, it’s

00:45:51

just that I don’t want to argue with the Ukrainians,

00:45:54

you know, to put it mildly, it’s not the

00:45:58

time for us to argue with them, why didn’t they talk about us,

00:46:00

uh, which then

00:46:02

someday later in a couple of generations

00:46:04

we will be able to discuss this. Now no, but what

00:46:07

worries me is that it doesn’t bother me that

00:46:09

this is the idea that we have

00:46:12

Arab traditions for the slave consciousness There and

00:46:15

so on and so forth She uh Well,

00:46:18

again, the scientific word is internalized That is,

00:46:21

it enters inside a person Yes, it

00:46:24

becomes part of him It’s not like

00:46:27

someone tells me But it’s me, it becomes

00:46:29

part of my picture of the world It’s

00:46:33

not that I even got there Maybe

00:46:35

someone explained it to me

00:46:37

I believed you understand Okay, people around me

00:46:40

say you’re a scoundrel, you I don’t know there is

00:46:42

an alcoholic Yes, let’s say yes And I myself, you know,

00:46:46

believed that I don’t take alcohol, for example, in my mouth

00:46:49

And I’ll hang up the alcohol I’m just

00:46:51

holding back, for example, yes, but this is

00:46:56

very bad and

00:46:58

dangerous, you understand

00:47:02

why it’s dangerous because if I believed in it

00:47:07

if I believed in what

00:47:09

really is. My compatriots are

00:47:12

such genetic slaves. Well, this is stupidity

00:47:15

because there are no facts,

00:47:20

there are no facts, first of all, when they say

00:47:21

genetics, this is

00:47:23

genetics corrupted by imperialism, as

00:47:26

Raikin fulfilled, it seems, the words of Zhvanetsky.

00:47:29

I’m not sure Who wrote this, well, not

00:47:32

so much. You see, and the

00:47:34

genetic code does not change because an

00:47:36

evil tyrant came, no,

00:47:39

and we have the same genetics as everyone else in

00:47:42

our history there was no direct line from the

00:47:46

Horde through Ivan the Terrible

00:47:49

in our history there was the Novgorod

00:47:52

Republic, the Novgorod bell in our

00:47:54

history there were free cities in our

00:47:58

history was the sovereign grandfather of the

00:48:02

blow of Ivan 4 under the grandfather of Ivan the Terrible

00:48:06

in Moscow, pamphlets

00:48:09

against Grand Duke Ivan III were counted in the squares and there

00:48:13

was nothing pancreatic for this and Russia

00:48:17

was an absolutely European country,

00:48:20

during the Romanov period we had, for example,

00:48:24

Prince Golitsyn who stopped the very

00:48:27

power of Anna Ioannovna and tried to write the first

00:48:30

Constitution, in fact, the first Jesus, to

00:48:32

write the conditions that she deigned to

00:48:34

lift then by signing

00:48:38

the prince. Of course, we had Speransky,

00:48:43

we had Alexander II and the Great Reform,

00:48:47

we had Kirensky, we had

00:48:49

Sakharov, we

00:48:50

had Gorbachev and the Yeltsins, by

00:48:53

the way, they were completely not white, not fluffy

00:48:55

Of course, but they raised slaves

00:48:59

No, they

00:49:02

definitely didn’t have freedom,

00:49:03

they gave freedom. You see, we have

00:49:07

very different authorities. Look

00:49:10

from Russia. That’s how it turned out,

00:49:14

our history turned out hard, a

00:49:16

lot of people left, there are people all over the world who

00:49:18

speak Russian, yes, or at

00:49:20

least with Russian ontogenesis

00:49:22

Okay,

00:49:24

where are the Russians? Ghettos, if they are such slaves, then once they

00:49:29

get into the free world, they should be

00:49:31

confused

00:49:34

and they should naturally

00:49:37

Imagine going to the place where they feed

00:49:39

slaves, living on the welfar,

00:49:43

where you saw it, they are prosperous

00:49:48

migration.

00:49:49

We were back in the 80s a study

00:49:53

was conducted in the United States on the

00:49:55

speed of adaptation of immigration from different

00:49:58

countries, so the Russians were the most

00:50:02

successful in the Russian wave,

00:50:05

something that others needed 10 years. Our

00:50:10

compatriots completed it in five.

00:50:12

Well, we can say that this is not

00:50:15

representative immigration there and in terms of

00:50:17

ethnic composition it is not representative in terms of

00:50:19

attitudes Okay okay Forgot about

00:50:23

this migration Let's take an absolutely

00:50:25

representative wave of absolutely

00:50:28

Soldiers of the White Army

00:50:30

are not an Aristocrat nor a professor Soldiers

00:50:32

Soldiers church natural school

00:50:35

Russian dictionary with other languages it is

00:50:38

clear how they flew out did not end up in the White

00:50:42

Army by accident because a recruit Yes

00:50:45

they came and took them away

00:50:47

brothers took them to the Red Army how it happened

00:50:50

Yes, that's where Galilepolis went Belgrade Berlin

00:50:54

Yes, there are no Russian ghettos, no, they all

00:50:58

assimilated, they all, well, all this in the

00:51:01

sense Well, let's the majority Yes,

00:51:03

their children adapted, they got

00:51:05

an education, their grandchildren graduated from expensive

00:51:07

universities and someone forgot their language,

00:51:10

someone forgot who saved in different ways Yes,

00:51:12

but they all adapted so that the facts

00:51:15

do not confirm that the Russians have

00:51:19

this Arabic Arabic Gene And also

00:51:21

listen to the Pugachev uprising

00:51:24

The uprising of the Racine wall and the great

00:51:29

revolutions of this year who made and who

00:51:33

overthrew the

00:51:34

Communist regime in August 1991

00:51:37

is what people came from Mars, this is ours,

00:51:41

they did this, we did this, we did this, I

00:51:44

remember these people at the White House in

00:51:48

August of ninety-one. I remember, but he

00:51:50

will say, but when was this, and now

00:51:52

look, Either we are genetic slaves, and

00:51:57

then we were also slaves and in 1917

00:52:00

ninety-first and so on. Either we are

00:52:02

actually not slaves, normal people, and

00:52:04

Putin did this to us for 20 years. Yes, he

00:52:07

made slaves out of us. In

00:52:10

addition, even

00:52:12

now the people who just spoke to you,

00:52:15

this guy with his wife who

00:52:19

set fire to the car,

00:52:21

they came they doused the car

00:52:30

to fight and those who are now collecting

00:52:32

money for the stove and generators in a genetically

00:52:36

working city And 20 thousand arrested

00:52:38

during the war,

00:52:40

arrested for protesting against

00:52:43

the war, they are slaves No, they are free people

00:52:46

They are free people, but you

00:52:49

can’t believe that we are slaves That’s why why is this

00:52:51

very dangerous? It seems to me that if we are

00:52:53

genetically slaves, then we are

00:52:57

worthy of slavery, we are worthy of dictatorship.

00:53:00

You understand, when this is how it should be for us. This is

00:53:04

our life, this is our

00:53:08

destiny. But I, for example, do not want to

00:53:10

agree in any way and when

00:53:12

they say why don’t you rebel And why didn’t you

00:53:15

rebel against Hitler And why didn’t you

00:53:17

rebel because they rebel then there are

00:53:19

chances for Victory then they rebel And when

00:53:21

the chances for Victory No they won’t against

00:53:23

Polt they didn’t rebel against Stalin they didn’t

00:53:27

rebel and even very heroic

00:53:29

Ukrainians don’t mind either Stalin there were

00:53:31

unrest and resistance in the west of the

00:53:34

country after the war Yes, but when there was such

00:53:37

inertia, as it were, the inertia of the Second

00:53:39

World War, but when the NKVD suppressed all this

00:53:42

there, somewhere in the mid-fifties until the

00:53:45

very end of Soviet power, they had no

00:53:48

riots, there were no dissidents, there

00:53:50

were individual heroes Of course, there would still be

00:53:53

absolutely heroic people, but

00:53:55

there were no mass riots and now that’s why they don’t

00:53:57

exist in the Russian Federation.

00:54:00

You understand what the matter is, when they

00:54:02

tell me that Russians are all slaves and who are

00:54:06

Russian mice, we choose for ourselves, we choose everything for ourselves,

00:54:11

we choose ourselves, we we choose uh

00:54:14

friends We choose a people for ourselves, in

00:54:17

fact, here is

00:54:20

Levitansky uh a

00:54:22

wonderful poem uh Everyone

00:54:25

chooses their

00:54:26

own woman, religion, the way

00:54:30

to serve the devil or the prophet, everyone

00:54:35

chooses for themselves, you know, we choose

00:54:39

for ourselves and you understand You can, of course,

00:54:41

say that the Russians are these sadists

00:54:45

and the killers from Butch yes And for me,

00:54:49

Russian is

00:54:53

Sakharov, for me

00:54:56

Russian is

00:54:58

Alexander II, for me Russian is Dima

00:55:04

Muratov

00:55:05

and not these freaks, so I choose for myself such

00:55:10

consenters My people are them and that’s why I will

00:55:14

never agree that we are slaves and that’s

00:55:17

how it should be protect your self-esteem,

00:55:19

your personal

00:55:22

self-esteem, always

00:55:23

in any circumstances and at any

00:55:27

cost, you

00:55:28

also need to protect the dignity of your

00:55:32

family, the dignity of

00:55:35

your friends and the dignity of your people.

00:55:38

I think I do

00:55:40

n’t agree with the fact that we are slaves, you

00:55:43

said that we rebel

00:55:45

en masse when they feel that there may be

00:55:49

success yes

00:55:51

so

00:55:53

I just don’t really understand if you don’t

00:55:55

even try, how will you understand whether there is

00:55:59

success or not success

00:56:03

in the air, it’s somehow you feel it, it’s

00:56:07

felt in the air After about the

00:56:09

first couple of years, Gorbachev’s power did not

00:56:12

immediately after the first couple of years Gorbachev

00:56:14

region something began to appear in the air

00:56:16

and people began to talk

00:56:20

or began to gather on the streets in

00:56:22

squares, just spontaneously

00:56:24

5-7 people gathered there and argued, they drank not

00:56:27

with a shoot,

00:56:28

this conversation Conversation in the air

00:56:31

something appeared that said that

00:56:35

This should collapse within a few, there was a

00:56:39

feeling that it was forever and

00:56:44

then there was a feeling that it was about to

00:56:47

collapse I remember at I remember the rally

00:56:51

against the Vilnius TV tower when

00:56:55

Gorbachev

00:56:57

was there when 13 people who defended the

00:57:00

Vilnius TV tower were killed. According

00:57:03

to various estimates, 500 thousand

00:57:06

people gathered at the rally in Moscow up to a million I was there too,

00:57:09

naturally

00:57:12

we had the feeling that just a little more, a

00:57:18

little more it Everything will collapse it Everything

00:57:22

will collapse as it stands beautiful Belarusian

00:57:24

song If I lean with my shoulder if you

00:57:26

lean with your shoulder everyone in this prison

00:57:28

will fall if there is no this feeling then there are

00:57:32

individual heroes who are ready

00:57:35

to sacrifice themselves without them there won’t be

00:57:38

then these five hundred thousand without them there won’t

00:57:41

be without the seven Braves in 25-68 on

00:57:46

Red Square there wouldn’t have been

00:57:48

perestroika not the fall of the Soviet Union

00:57:52

they did it they laid it down Yes without them

00:57:55

not but it happens en masse

00:57:58

when This feeling arises that

00:58:01

the regime will collapse at the peak of the regime of mass

00:58:05

protests, not everyone will understand, it will

00:58:08

lead to nothing, and that they will

00:58:10

machine gun everyone now, the peak

00:58:14

minute, we still have time

00:58:20

separately, there is still time for heroes but not

00:58:24

mass rebellion.

00:58:26

That is, while the peak can be done like this during

00:58:30

heroes, by the way, there are not so few of them, quite a lot of them, there are

00:58:33

many of them, there are more of them, I am convinced that

00:58:37

this regime is doomed, I am convinced

00:58:40

Thank you very much, we all didn’t

00:58:44

have time, only questions But it’s

00:58:45

okay, we’ll get better, we’ll handle it Yes, but

00:58:49

the conversation, it seems to me, was just

00:58:51

incredibly interesting and

00:58:54

partly therapeutic it was a

00:58:56

program in the human dimension

00:58:58

a week with Leonid Gosman actually

00:59:00

Leonid Gosman Irina Babloyan you and I

00:59:03

Every Sunday we meet at 5 o’clock

00:59:05

Moscow time at three o’clock Berlin time we are here

00:59:10

in the studio in Berlin, thank you very much, like

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and write comments on

00:59:15

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