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NATO Charter and in connection with the start of the summit in
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Vilnius, we are following the news as
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events are going on there, but we still took the trouble on the eve of the
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second
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final day tomorrow, July 12, to
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still discuss the very first results, in
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any case, those statements that are
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heard in the address of Ukraine in connection with its And that
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means
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the position regarding accession and what
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Stoltenberg says is what the
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Bidens said, what we hear in Vilnius from
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various participants, in my personal
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opinion, you will agree Well, in principle, it inspires
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very cautious optimism, cautious as
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always because this place, but to be honest,
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we expected even I would say a
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cooler situation. But still, about the
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MAP, which will not need to be
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received, and about the direct leapfrog
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race, NATO member countries
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declare support for Ukraine in terms of
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providing military assistance from
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Germany there. - mine is 700 million and so
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on, but in general the atmosphere is
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skeptics who said, well, that’s all
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the position of the USA, the position of Germany, it will be
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decisive, there’s nothing to wait for, there’s nothing
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to hope for at all, and then Well, life is
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for reason. It proves that Western
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alliances are very sensitive to uh
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necessity consensus among uh
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allies and we are directly observing
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that even Lithuania is receiving guests
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uh Even despite this hospitality
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Well accepted, so we are the hosts here
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ourselves And you see And now the presidential
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Seth announced the final communiqué will not
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be who are satisfied with part of Ukraine,
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too, first of all, regarding it, then we
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can block it. Well, it would seem kind of like that.
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Well, it’s awkward somehow. Well, they
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accept, nevertheless, a principled position
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is a principled position,
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some country was not big or
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small, but here you go take into account this
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position as well,
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trying to somehow challenge and
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come to an agreement or discuss it, and
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so on. What do you generally think, first of all, are the
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skeptics disgraced? Or,
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on the contrary, too much optimists were
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in vain harboring Great Hopes
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Well, I just made statements
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just soon, the Secretary General will announce NATO
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Jan Sultanberg there is a reaction from the
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American delegations Well, you are saying
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that all this gives you a reason for
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such cautious optimism. Well, how could it be
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otherwise, in fact, Mark, as
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Marlon Brando’s characters said in the film The
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Godfather, women, children can be
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careless, but men cannot be maybe
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it’s basically me Initially, and we
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discussed this with you on the air, we talked about the
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fact that beyond expectations from this summit,
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they may be primarily because there is a
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large-scale phase of war going on in Ukraine,
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of course. The point here is not even in
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Ukraine, any country. Well, let’s assume
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Turkey, for example, life would not be a
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member, let’s say, and Turkey has a
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conflict that is essentially
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unfinished in which it is participating. The
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civil war in neighboring Syria
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involves troops of the Turkish army. Well, of
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course, no one would accept Turkey now,
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although it is one hundred percent and
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armed forces Yes, there, Turkey, according to the
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formal signs of democracy,
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fully complies with democracy, but it is impossible.
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This, and even the United States of America, I
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will express a pocket thought if they
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were in a state of war. Now, if
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they were not suddenly members, they should have decided to
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join there, let’s assume that this would have
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happened, for example, during the participation phase No one would have accepted the United States
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in the war in Afghanistan or Iraq either,
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so there is nothing
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personal here. Nevertheless, the decisions
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that were made, and most importantly, the
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rejection of the more complex two-stage
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phase of admission to the alliance, which
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existed in relation to all countries, this
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program was also carried out or two
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today’s summit did not take place and Latvia,
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Estonia and all the countries of Central
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Eastern Europe, it is called the MAP or
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in the English version
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and Ukraine will not comply,
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you know, of course they can criticize the
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decision there, it is necessary that it does not indicate
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any time frame for adoption, but
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could we imagine even
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dreaming about what they will say to Ukraine Guys,
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you are like Sweden and the final map can
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not be followed, we will apply it to you, well,
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it’s impossible and now it turns out that
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we have been removed from the longer
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two-step procedure for admission to NATO, we
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will enter in one step This step
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is called when the moment comes when the
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strange Alliance will be ready to make a
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decision and when Ukraine will fulfill
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all the criteria, it’s written there,
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this is the publication Washington
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just opened at this moment, the decision
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will be made, that is, Federally speaking, a
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peace agreement
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will be signed sooner or later between Ukraine and
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Russia and maybe six months,
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maybe a year, the countries need to meet and
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say solemnly, Ukraine has
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fulfilled everything, we believe that we have
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political Will, peace has come in Ukraine
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and we accept Ukraine, that is, in
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fact, from this point of view, this
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decision cannot be called half-hearted;
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voices such as this are heard that they say, not ours
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not yours, that’s not it, there’s no
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wording there, which, in principle,
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worried us most. I mean about the
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end of a full-scale war, they
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threw it away; there’s no wording in the end.
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That is, this is what we said. If there
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was this phrase about that Ukraine
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will be accepted after the end of the war I
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have a statement in a formal document
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completed in a formal document No that would
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make this war an essentially endless
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path,
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at least as long as I lived we will
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continue only for the sake of not being
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able to join NATO this wording
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No there It is clearly written when Ukraine
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fulfills the criteria and NATO countries I will
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consider that this is all that
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actually happened and everything besides a decision has been made
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regarding
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work with committees,
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now you will continue the thought. That is, this
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means that this is an excuse
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regarding the fact that while the war is not
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over, some territories are
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occupied. How If we join, we
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will have to be drawn into a war Do
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I understand correctly and does the audience and everyone
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as Observers understand this reason no longer?
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That is, in principle, Ukraine, according to
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this logic, can be accepted and let’s say so, let it die out
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even if it flares up
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periodically in a military conflict, but they can also be
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accepted in its position in which
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What part of the territory is occupied by
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military actions then froze, no one
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froze and it will still be accepted.
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Moreover, I can tell you that well,
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how do we understand that de facto a decision
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will not be made until the war is over,
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but de jure it not spelled out, but at a
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minimum This suggests that even in the
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conditions When a Peace Agreement is concluded sooner or
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later, the war will be
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ended And even if at this moment
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part of the Ukrainian territory is under
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additional occupation, this will not
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be an obstacle to the acceptance of
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Ukraine, Stoltenberg himself said this
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he did that we confirmed and quote
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his statement that Ukraine will become a member of
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NATO and agreed to the demands on the
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membership action plan that will change
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Ukraine's path from a two-step process to
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a one-step process. We also made it clear that we
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will announce an invitation to Ukraine
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to join NATO when the allies
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agree and the conditions will be achieved,
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everything here there is not a word about the end of
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the war, in fact, he, uh,
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Stoltenberg did not mention anything about this
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during his today’s communion.
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Thus, we can say that the most
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controversial thing
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previously that could have been contained in this combination of the results of the
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NATO statement was removed from there,
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that is, no obstacles to
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the admission of Ukraine even if
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parts of the territory are occupied
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today No, this was not stated But
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since this is not a NATO statement,
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the result of the de jure document is so
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Well, as a lawyer, you know
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perfectly well Yes, I understand everything perfectly, but it’s
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important for us to understand this in a
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few more points because I didn’t
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pay attention to some things now
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I didn’t tell you. By the way, they also looked at it in this
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context. Well, it doesn’t matter for
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this, we actually conduct our broadcasts so that
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everyone understands 25 thousand are
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watching us 7000 likes, a
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huge request first of all Look at yesterday's
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sheet, what is it like there, too? We
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discussed with him all these
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constitutional issues, interesting, see,
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compare with what happened, what
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was expected, what happened, and so on,
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of the Taraskuzovites But look
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how we have now discussed all the aspects but
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what
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one of the positions sounded like How could it be
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interpreted, membership in NATO should not
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only ensure that it goes without saying,
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of course, the future guarantees to give it
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security to ensure the position of the width of a
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sovereign Ukraine within its state
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border. Well, what will they be, but a decision must be made
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and should influence the war right now,
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as
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if the exact dates were given in
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general, like January 1, 2025, we
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accept Ukraine and let Moscow have you
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tsigel tsigel for a year and a half, whatever they want, what
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they did in a year and a half. NATO soldiers
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will be stationed in Lvov in Kiev,
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naval bases, air force bases,
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infantry bases, all sorts of others, everything will be
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be on the territory only
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Try missiles will fly there, tomahawks,
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we warned you in advance, so
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think about these one and a half years How can you
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get out of this, so to speak, without
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swallowing
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This is how you can interpret the indication of
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real deadlines; they are needed not
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only to guarantee Ukraine,
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apparently this is already happening in in our
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eyes that it will end up in NATO and
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integrate into the Western community in the
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full sense of
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becoming a member of NATO and a member of the EU sooner or
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later, and so on, and influence this
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war because Russia will be faced with a
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choice: either it will really
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get involved not through conversations or
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propaganda Oh we're talking completely on
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your dunyushki get involved right here on the
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battlefield right die from these rackets
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not like those that scalp or from
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real tomahawks you know that
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can fly away knows where and here
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this argument is really strong that
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specific terms they create the preconditions
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for the end of the conflict Moscow is much more
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willing to make any concessions and
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negotiations than if, so to speak, there is
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some fog, such uncertainty. This is
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what you think in this context.
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Could they influence, looks, influence themselves?
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That’s exactly the same, too.
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Well, I think that they thought, actually weighing
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each formulation because
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They understood any word that can
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be interpreted as a manifestation of weakness
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will certainly immediately
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stimulate Putin to take more active actions.
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Therefore,
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any phrases that could
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help Putin and tell him
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what you have there, well, you have there, were removed from this statement.
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- no time
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right now, try to do everything, you understand.
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And in the case of a mentally unhealthy check,
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if you tell him, Ukraine will be
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accepted by the first of January there, 2025,
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but that’s all. That is, he can lose his
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mind, he’s already at home, that’s all, that is, don’t
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get it you understand, again,
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without a clue, and until the use of
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nuclear weapons, it doesn’t matter if a
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pretext is created for the Neva. But that’s all. That
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is, if it’s already like that, that is, then he can
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already blow up the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant,
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that is, that is, that is, everything is already
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clear, Ukraine is floating away He
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won’t be able to do anything, you know what, remember
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what Diamond Arm means the
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client is leaving and that’s all, that’s why he could
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do absolutely any meanness, he, in
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principle, is capable of it, well, then
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any limits would be removed from him, so
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weighing NATO carefully and globally, he
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talked about the fact that today there is no agreement
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among the NATO member countries and the states themselves
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believe that Ukraine is not ready now to
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join the alliance according to formal
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criteria. This suggests that Biden
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is trying to balance the situation, but
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again he does not say everything. Now we understand that
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there are reports from the American
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intelligence community to him
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Director Burns reports What time has it risen
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very strong whose hardware weight in the White
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House is higher than representatives of other
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American
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services and therefore they trust the information
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We know that the CIA wrote about this below is
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extremely active and is now working on the
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territory of Russia in Ukraine Burns
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literally said that the
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current situation is such a precarious in the
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Russian Federation creates a unique
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opportunity for mass
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recruitment of Russian citizens by the
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US central administration. It is quite possible that
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Biden simply knows something and does not
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say this, but we must always trust
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partners again. I don’t see any
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problems with the absence of this timeline here,
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this schedule for Ukraine’s accession Once again,
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the first thing is not to provoke Putin. That
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is, he will understand that his clock is
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ticking and he has limited
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time left. During this time, he must try to
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do something, so you see how they were in a hurry, like
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Finland, Sweden, they were in a hurry to
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join in on something, they also went successfully and
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yes, but not successful Sweden has not yet
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entered, they have
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withdrawn claims from the claim side Yes,
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we understand that the Turkish parliament will vote
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as if yes, but nevertheless they were in a
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very big hurry because they
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saw this situation As soon as they
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announced that they would apply for an
00:14:28
offensive remember the statement
00:14:30
that they started? Well, I don’t mean there
00:14:33
were more serious statements that there
00:14:36
would be consequences about this. Patrushev
00:14:37
stated that he had declared it and they immediately
00:14:41
started talking about the fact that, well, now we will
00:14:42
definitely arrange something like that,
00:14:44
really the number of provocations At
00:14:47
least At least with the participation of Russia, the
00:14:49
space forces on the Northern
00:14:52
borders increased sharply, that is, they
00:14:53
sharply began to increase the squadron. It is clear
00:14:55
that they could not organize anything so serious
00:14:59
against Finland and Sweden for the
00:15:01
banal reason there is nothing you understand because they were
00:15:04
left with their bare ass, everything that was
00:15:07
more or less combat-ready is now
00:15:09
in Ukraine, they have nothing to actually threaten and
00:15:12
Believe me If there had not been a war now, they have
00:15:14
now spun such a Carousel about him.
00:15:16
Believe me, there and the Navy began to abruptly
00:15:19
transfer to the Baltic Fleet and
00:15:22
aviation, and that’s all, and Kaliningrad would have
00:15:24
started now, which means cramming them in there’s
00:15:26
simply nothing Therefore, yes, the statement was
00:15:29
a provocation, but I can’t do anything else,
00:15:32
so the first thing is not to
00:15:36
provoke. The second reason is that
00:15:37
formal Ukraine really didn’t
00:15:39
comply. Although it was canceled, it doesn’t meet
00:15:42
all the criteria, it’s not a claim, it’s
00:15:44
just a statement of facts, since there is a
00:15:46
huge list of formal requirements for
00:15:50
countries that must correspond to
00:15:51
the status of membership in the alliance. That is, for
00:15:55
example, Switzerland
00:15:56
can submit an application even tomorrow and be accepted, but it does
00:15:59
not want to do this because it has been
00:16:01
accepted for neutral status for
00:16:04
centuries. Yes, it is a neutral state, but
00:16:07
it corresponds. In Ukraine, there is something to
00:16:09
work on, that is, this normal,
00:16:11
absolute situation, this is exactly the
00:16:13
same thing, everyone went through this path. Our
00:16:14
neighbors in Eastern Central Europe
00:16:18
went through all this and no one there
00:16:21
was seriously indignant why Poland should
00:16:23
do something there. Yes, you should
00:16:25
accept us for the fact that we were languishing in the
00:16:27
socialist camp. Well then there is this
00:16:29
position is completely infantile That is,
00:16:31
everyone understood If you want, relatively
00:16:34
speaking, you want to join Cambridge
00:16:36
please, but they tell you, be kind,
00:16:38
please, uh, be prepared to pay,
00:16:41
you will have annual training at the level of
00:16:43
50,000 dollars, this is the first thing you need to
00:16:46
pass your exams money doesn’t
00:16:48
solve anything That is, you buy a place in
00:16:50
Cambridge If you didn’t pass the exam, I’m sorry
00:16:52
That is, we can’t do it for you No, I want it like
00:16:55
that, you don’t want to accept me I’m
00:16:57
so cool there, accept me right
00:16:58
now Well, that’s the kind of hysteria that doesn’t
00:17:00
work that’s why the decision is
00:17:03
absolutely fair, absolutely legal
00:17:05
and it was absolutely expected, and
00:17:09
finally, as if the main reason, the
00:17:11
alliance itself is not ready for this, no matter how much we don’t
00:17:13
want to believe that Ukraine has already
00:17:17
won the minds and hearts of the West,
00:17:20
including the Western one, or the resistance is very,
00:17:23
very seriously Believe me, not even
00:17:26
any Well, additional In general, there is
00:17:29
no need for any half of this
00:17:30
argumentation, we can understand perfectly well
00:17:31
Look at the situation in the USA Yes, even if they are not
00:17:35
in the majority, but
00:17:38
many Republicans seem to be against the
00:17:41
continued support of Ukraine, the
00:17:43
Trump wing And not only What is the
00:17:46
position in Germany is crazy and
00:17:48
faces a chance, so every
00:17:50
government is forced to balance.
00:17:53
They understand that all this will lead to a
00:17:55
serious internal political crisis,
00:17:57
which no one needs right now, and Ukraine,
00:17:59
first of all, our allies
00:18:02
should now not be involved in resolving their
00:18:04
crises, but it helps us

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