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guest of our morning spread
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political scientist Dmitry Oreshkin we need to
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put the die on first Yes yes Let's put
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the die on first
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942 live nail Irina Vorobyova Koloy
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Khiv and with us Dmitry Oreshkin Dmitry
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hello Good morning Dmitry
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Hello,
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I honestly don’t remember the
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last time we were on air Well, I’m terribly
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glad that we are on the same air with you again.
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Hooray, finally. I have accumulated a
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lot of questions for you, you know very well.
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I’m also glad again. Hello. It’s
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nice to meet you; they’ve seen each other for a long time
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indeed; Yes, I know, I’ll start
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unexpectedly with a question about which
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which everyone is talking about but no one is saying
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specifically And what do we have next
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year we are planning
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re-election Excuse the presidential
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elections and what are you, what should we do And now
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we already have candidates appearing here, for
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example, Boris Nadezhdin showed up,
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what is actually happening is similar
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after all, something is not very serious
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while point one is not serious This is for you
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and me for about 30 Miln
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who feel sick or who don’t really
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like what Vladimir is doing
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for not the elections This is completely clear and
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understandable And even I think there is
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no need to argue it’s still
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a ritual or even a rite, but for the
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political regimes that Putin is building,
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they are very archaic; the ritual
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component is extremely important, so
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for him
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the ritual is just as important as for the
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Mongol Khan, a three-fold
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explanation to the OSCE of the
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winner of the elections, let’s say on the skin of a
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white camel or on a white cashmeran
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yurts, this needs to be done so
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that our khan is recognized as khan for
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him and for his entourage and for the
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majority of the population, so the ritual
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should go well. Based on this, it
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seems to me that
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most people who do not
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support Putin and listen to
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Sh
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Stream and not only
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listen to the elections are ignored because that they,
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according to European standards, think that these should be
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elections, that is, votes should be counted honestly.
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There should be competition and in
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general elections should be a procedure
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where the authorities pass an exam in front of
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the population, because this is not so,
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these 253 ml consider going to elections to be
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an advantage Well, that’s right by and large
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Because this is not an election But
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if this is viewed as a ritual of
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sacrificing ballots and the
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OSCE Vladimir Putin on the skin of a white
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camel around the Kremlin, then it becomes
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clear that this procedure is important and it
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can be done
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victoriously. And maybe
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that’s why my opinion is is to
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hope that we will advance someone there,
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active candidates. But in this case,
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this is just an element of the ritual, these are
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these dolls. Where within the framework of the cult of oudou they
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are stuck at the bench, they must be
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because otherwise the cult does not work; the ritual is
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not
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real and the Tsar or Khan also seems to be
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not real, but I am absolutely convinced that
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potential voters will not
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go to vote quite a lot for this positive figure,
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simply because they do not consider this a
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choice, that’s the problem in the World Cup, and therefore it seems to me that it is
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not elections that need to be done, it is necessary to
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understand clearly that this is not an election, but
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this is an important
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procedure and it can be perceived and
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implemented as a demonstration, and not
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against Putin, even Who is he, a poon
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usurper, a demonstration
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of anti-war there to vote, but against
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everyone, since our
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dear Fatherland has
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removed the column against everyone from the ballots, we have only one
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opportunity to politely competently clearly
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spoil a ballot, you also
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need to be able to put this in place, because a spoiled
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ballot is one on
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which there are
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marks in two or
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more boxes, it is not clear for which
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of these felt figures into which
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pins are stuck, which of them you
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voted for. But if set a goal that is
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quite achievable to make for Putin
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the main thing is that
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many people really don’t know about the ballots or don’t
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want to know. They are among the 100%, that
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is, the ND is really a ballot - This is the
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same candidate If you count the
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sum of votes in all presidential
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elections in any in the presidential elections
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you will always get 98 and a half and
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98 and d because One and a half or a little
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more percent is not really true,
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so if in second place it is clear that
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Putin will get first place one way or another,
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but in second place you can
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bring invalid ballots and it
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will be easy demonstration It seems to me
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that this is the thing around which a
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variety of political
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forces could unite because someone likes
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Nadezhdin, someone doesn’t like
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Nadezhdin, someone won’t vote for him
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because he’s so cool,
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someone won’t either the best thing to do
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for other reasons is because someone
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likes Yavlinsky or someone else, and
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someone is offended that Navalny was not allowed to participate in the
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elections.
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But this ballot is invalid. It
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seems to me that this is a rather
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serious slap in the face. point one, point
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two, throw out the ballot that you already
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have and for which voted than to
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throw so the talk about the fact that
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the authorities are very afraid of low turnout is all
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Sorry for the fools the authorities
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will not have less low turnout 7 So let's now
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Dmitry Let's figure it out now Sun this is
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what you said is very interesting So
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first of all I was sure everything recent
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years that the invalid spoiled
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ballots after counting as a result
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go to the winner Well, that is, whoever has
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more in the elections and
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this is
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when they receive votes
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in proportion to the number
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of votes we have one winner here
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the votes are not divided therefore valid
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ballots No winner
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goes to absolutely clear
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dadada very clear and secondly, I have
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about 10 more questions here, but I’ll only give two
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then then I’ll give the floor. Let’s
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go back to the figure of Nadezhdin because there’s
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a lot of things about him. They say you just
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said some words too,
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but anyway, whoever appears
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on the political arena now Whoever
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said now that I’m ready to become a presidential candidate
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is the one you’ve all been
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waiting for about him, everyone will still say that
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he’s a spoiler of the Kremlin, that he means that he’s so
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humble and no one, and yet, and at the same time
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everyone expects that it doesn’t matter
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who Someday He will get up and begin to
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resist, how can we even be in
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this
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situation?
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I answer, they wait and begin
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to resist. Those who cannot or do not
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want to are too lazy to resist themselves. They are
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waiting for the Leader to appear, but he will not
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appear because the political
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models that Putin is building are models.
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Well. let's say so to
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the totalitarian Call it whatever you want,
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but dictatorial elections are
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carried out on the principle of one person
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one vote once, so you chose him
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once and all until he puts on a white slipper
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he
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will lead this happy country
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and lead us from Victory to Victory now
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Boris Boris an excellent
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man, nevertheless, he is a living person and
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nevertheless, these same two or three tens of
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millions of critically thinking people in
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the country, as you rightly said, will
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say to themselves Well, it’s clear that this is Murzilka and it
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doesn’t matter at all if it’s Murzilka or not
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Murzin. This will be said by Boris
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It seems to me that he is making a mistake because he is
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pretending that these are elections and that he can
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collect some significant number of votes. This is what they are
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counting on, and in the administration, it also
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seems to me that there can be
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only one demonstrative negative vote,
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but at the same time it should neglect
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this possibility It seems to me that in no
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case is there any need to even Let’s not
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discuss Boris because we don’t
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know for what reasons and have no reason to
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say that they paid him or
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scared him. Well, we don’t know that and we
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shouldn’t really know, but then
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that
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most
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skeptical people will not vote for him
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because they are skeptical about
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everything. It seems
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completely obvious to me, therefore, from my
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point of view. Well, I’m not the person who
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would give
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advice to Boris, from my point of view, to participate in
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this in this there is no need for the procedure as a
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whipping boy. There is no need to
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just stand on the sidelines and
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call for voting against everyone
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because this is what can unite people
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who are against the war, not really
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the ballot is now
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functionally equal to what was previously called
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against
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everyone, yes thank you very much Dmitry The question is
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this so you said at the beginning
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that the cult will nevertheless take place without fail.
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And what will
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this story give? I’m just not as a lawyer or
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as a person who somehow
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understands the political processes
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that, in my opinion, are
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going on here, but as an ordinary person a resident of the country
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who listens to you and says: What’s
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the point for me then, if the cult
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takes place anyway, I won’t spoil the ballot;
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what’s the point of this action? It’s clear that the
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authorities know, the authorities know that there are
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dissatisfied people, they roughly understand some
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extent. Maybe they don’t voice it. Maybe
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she talks about 20% of which must be destroyed,
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but nevertheless these people are more and she
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understands, plus or minus, what the picture is with the
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protest and with those who do not agree that
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this will give the
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WTO, so I will try
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point by point, the authorities are extremely happy
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that these 20 plus are actually more than 20 %
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of people are sitting under the bench and imagining the elections are
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fake VX I don’t understand the substance
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and thus wear a white coat, the
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authorities are extremely
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happy with this Because there are people,
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firstly, who sincerely
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support Putin and there are many of them, no need to
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be mistaken, more than 20 million, and secondly,
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there are electoral sultanates where they will always
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draw as many as necessary. And here, too, there is
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no need to
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be mistaken and Victory will take place
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one way or another, the question is whether
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the ritual will be beautiful or ugly, if these
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20 million come and use their electoral
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rights,
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then the red carpet to the title of emperor
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will be crumpled And this important These are the reasons
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why
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the ritual is important and the ritual has its own
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rules, for example, the rule is that for the
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elections the figure for Putin’s support should
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increase; if in the last elections there was 70-
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something, now it should be 80;
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in fact, Peskov has already announced this figure
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90 He won’t gain These are
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purely statistical patterns according to
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which you can
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collect 90% without completely obvious violence against yourself. It does
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n’t mean that
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the interest lies in getting
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80 because, firstly, this is more than
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in the previous elections, and secondly, in Moscow,
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Sobyanin scored 76. It
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seems to me that the Emperor you can’t
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get less than his officials, which means that
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this milestone is important for him, 75%
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should be more, if there are no
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invalid ballots, then I’ll fill all the
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other candidates, starting with Putin and
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ending with the reliable one remaining
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90, which means if there is any candidate
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from the communists, they’ll bite off their 5 or
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7% then the rest there will
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be taken away according to the process, it turns out that point one
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means Putin does not gain 80 And less and
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less than 0 and point two is in second place.
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After him, a protest candidate
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called I came and spoiled
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the ballot, we should just consider this
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as a protest procedure people they are
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not afraid to go out into the street. And here
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you don’t even have anything to be afraid of. You have a legal
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right to vote because you think that,
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among other things, spoiling the authorities to the core
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is important because if the skin of a camel
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or the felt on which they will carry
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the khan around the yurt is not
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white enough, then this will be perceived as a
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bad sign it will be perceived as a
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lack of charisma in a political sense
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Charisma Charisma is a perception
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What is it not that a pleasant person is an
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unpleasant person this is the logic that the
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person on whom God’s grace sings
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is a charismatic this is the terminology of
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the Middle Ages But if Charisma
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the people's doubts are over, do
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he have royal marks on his body and is
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he real? The descendant
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there is Tsarevich Dmitry, for example, this
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was important Tsarevich Dmitry, he is alive and not
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alive, remember there were all sorts of false Dmitry and
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so on, this is not far off for
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rationally thinking people It’s clear that
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this is funny, but in fact for Putin
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this is very important and this procedure can be done to him
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rather as a minus than as a plus, but it
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seems to me that we just need to understand
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and push aside European
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expectations Putin made the country a
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medieval Sultan Tom this does not mean
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that Yes You can deny as much as you like,
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but that doesn’t mean that you
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shouldn’t pay attention to the elections at all, it’s a
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very important point, what do
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they need? No, in Chechnya they will
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definitely draw And in Moscow, in Yekaterinburg, in
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St. Petersburg, in Novosibirsk No, it’s not in vain, but in
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Novosibirsk they
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also elected a mayor communist and in Khakassia too,
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because a ballot with
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marks on it is much more difficult to throw out; those who
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argue that in this way they are trying
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to increase turnout simply do not know how
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real political practice works;
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they will always make a turnout for themselves
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by discarding empty
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ballots. Because there is always a reserve
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these empty ones need to be ticked And
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who needs to be thrown out And if the ballot has already
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been voted from the stack, throw it away, it
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is necessary that all members of the election
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commission be complete sheep or
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agree, there are such election
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commissions, but in large urban centers there
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will always be one or two people from the
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bottom bow to them who will say that
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listen Well, there is a law, let’s
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abide by it. That is, it seems to me that
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we have the
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opportunity to send our f, well,
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wait here. Here you know
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what the answer will be that there are a lot of people
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who could who are active and
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who are against what is happening, they simply
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left the country and the only option
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for them is to come to the polling station
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and do something is to use
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electronic voting there, which cannot
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spoil the ballot, or to come to the
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territory of the Russian Federation, that is,
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to the embassy. What they would not
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like to do, relatively speaking, is and
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thank you all for the sensible question Yes, of course,
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they will say so, which means point one, you
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can’t use electronic voting under any circumstances, but you can’t simply
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because it would give your
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vote into the hands of those people who
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manipulate files, point two, not so
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many people left And those who left they
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voted extremely rarely Yes,
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there were interesting
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voting results in different embassies, but this is a
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vanishingly small share compared
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to mass
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voting abroad, traditionally people
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vote Well, tens and hundreds of thousands, even
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millions
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The argument doesn’t form And you’re talking
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about elections as if they were some kind of ritual
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and And how many people left they say that a
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million left, half returned Well, that’s what they
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actually say, we
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don’t know the numbers, but now they left from
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Protestants or from Pugatov Well,
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a few hundred thousand
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maximum and there will be approximately 70
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million votes 75
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Yeah When you talk about elections as a
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rite, you immediately want to talk about a certain
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sacredness of power, you know,
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but there’s no other way to say it,
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and that almost power from God is
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not very true. It’s clear which one,
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but nevertheless, this uh sacralization of
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everything in general and Over the last year and a half, as
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I understand it, it will continue to climb and
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creep up. We will still see a bunch of
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stuff. I think it will crawl down in the
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sense that together with us the country will
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sink deeper and move deeper
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from bottom to bottom. Well,
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really Yes well, sacralization,
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so to speak,
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and in a sense, mass hypnosis
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because there will be
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8% They will
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tell us that the majority supports him and
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it will be difficult to object to them Yes, you will
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say that
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Putin’s supporters falsify the elections, it means everything is under the
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control of high-ranking people, as
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they understand this procedure, they don’t it’s important
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who is there And how he draws these percentages, it’s
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important to them that he draws these percentages, it
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means the local authorities understand
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their task and are doing it successfully, it means
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everything is under control, this is the logic they drew at the top
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Well, well done, this has been
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such a result since the time of Churov, and for the
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population This it means that listen Well, they
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still control the situation, they are still
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the winners, this is what is
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called the syndrome of learned
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helplessness and power, this is exactly what is really
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needed, so it seems to me
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naturally
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you correctly said that it is unknown to
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what god, but the people are those who
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will support Putin, they are this are not perceived in
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religious terms despite the
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sacredness they say Putin Lucky
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Putin the winner Putin is the one who
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can But everyone else Well, who are they
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against him This is precisely the
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main task of the Putin regime
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to create
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a feeling and achieve this in practice To be
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close in public opinion
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there was no one taller than a boot,
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therefore Navalny is sitting, therefore Nemtsov was
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killed, therefore alternative players,
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having betrayed them, were
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imprisoned, awarded the status of
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undesirable organizations of foreign
00:23:50
agents, and so
00:23:56
on, they simply add to our discussion
00:23:59
about those who left and about voting that we
00:24:02
forgot that
00:24:04
in fact people from Russia left to live in
00:24:07
other countries, not only for the last
00:24:09
year and a half And that there are quite a lot of
00:24:12
Voters there, not only among those who, so to
00:24:15
speak, have become voters abroad
00:24:16
for the last year and a half. I agree with you here,
00:24:18
but I’m not completely ready
00:24:20
to do this math now and
00:24:21
count how many of our compatriots
00:24:23
live abroad And how many votes there are
00:24:30
regarding your words Dmitry, it turns out that
00:24:32
we have some kind of a Vicious Circle
00:24:34
on the one hand, the authorities draw the results
00:24:39
and it suits them, on the other hand
00:24:42
the society which should have
00:24:44
shown its will, it says Well,
00:24:48
they will draw it anyway and it turns out this Vicious
00:24:51
Circle
00:24:56
which in fact, everyone who is involved in
00:24:59
elections understands that
00:25:02
the resource for falsification is growing, but it is
00:25:06
limited, even in modern times, even
00:25:11
if you look seriously at the calculations of
00:25:14
Sergei shpilka or there at one time I was
00:25:18
doing this. Approximately 15 percentage points
00:25:24
This is true,
00:25:26
true until the time of mass
00:25:31
use electronic voting
00:25:33
can now be drawn more But I
00:25:36
want to say once again those
00:25:39
who have experience interacting with
00:25:42
election commissions and down at the
00:25:45
precinct level and there the tick and the
00:25:48
Republican they know that if a bte vote is marked there is a
00:25:56
twist, throw a ballot in place of the
00:26:00
missing
00:26:02
logic of the
00:26:05
boycott by this
00:26:07
temptation Almost everyone took advantage or went through this
00:26:09
Temptation, and Boris
00:26:11
Nemtsov and his nah nah, he realized that he
00:26:15
and I discussed this topic at the time, he
00:26:17
realized that it was counterproductive and went
00:26:20
to the elections in Yaroslavl and passed the
00:26:22
Yaroslavl Duma, if
00:26:24
you remember, that
00:26:26
is, the elections were still the same the most and
00:26:32
Navalny also spoke about the boycott and
00:26:35
then spoke quite successfully in Moscow, in
00:26:37
particular because there were a large
00:26:39
number of observers and finally the
00:26:42
simplest argument is called Grigory
00:26:45
Melnya A man is in prison for nothing a man
00:26:48
Absolutely loyal legal
00:26:51
transparent Armed Forces whatever He just
00:26:54
poses a danger because he is
00:26:56
big the number of qualified
00:26:59
observers who know what needs to be
00:27:01
done at the site and
00:27:04
know how to comply with or demand compliance with the
00:27:07
rules of the law since they imprisoned him and still have
00:27:10
not brought
00:27:12
charges against him. But of course we forgot, we already
00:27:14
forgot about it, which means he
00:27:16
poses a danger to them, which means this
00:27:19
ritual is for them is important And Grisha should sit here,
00:27:23
the logic is quite obvious and the people
00:27:26
who say
00:27:28
we know these elections just spit, as it
00:27:32
seems to me, at the iron door behind which an
00:27:36
honest
00:27:39
professional person sits, they once imprisoned it.
00:27:42
So it was necessary, it means they are afraid, it
00:27:44
means they want to carry out the ritual in
00:27:48
impeccable form so that all sorts of
00:27:51
the lawyers
00:27:56
just
00:27:58
told them in your opinion what the falsification threshold is.
00:28:04
Today I think 15 percentage points, that
00:28:08
is, Putin’s real support there, let’s
00:28:10
say 60%, don’t be mistaken, it’s
00:28:14
high. This also needs to be understood, but not
00:28:18
75. And he needs 80. So we need to
00:28:21
understand the rational framework, many
00:28:26
would say but they don’t carry it Well, what if it’s 60, then
00:28:30
what difference does it make for you, but for him
00:28:33
there is, well, for us too. Honestly, there
00:28:35
will be a difference because we are used to
00:28:38
these numbers 80 or 75, and suddenly
00:28:42
if 75
00:28:47
Yes 53 then we’ll say it
00:28:56
somehow
00:28:58
this is close to the
00:29:01
truth from a
00:29:05
pony point of view, I understand what you are talking about, but yes,
00:29:09
Putin has already made such a formal thing out of the elections
00:29:12
that it is important for him to
00:29:17
get closer to the Chechen results
00:29:19
that Kadyrov draws and somehow it’s
00:29:23
not enough for him, otherwise he begins to
00:29:25
doubt loyalty of the regional
00:29:28
leadership, otherwise he begins to consider And
00:29:31
what is it with Sobyanin in Moscow? There 76 And in the
00:29:35
presidential elections there is
00:29:37
less and it is also important to understand how
00:29:42
this political party works. He
00:29:45
must be the tsar, the retinue is playing,
00:29:47
so the tsar must be ahead of
00:29:50
everyone I could now tell the story of the
00:29:54
elections of the year in Moscow when it
00:29:57
was impossible to get much more than
00:30:00
4 7% Because when the night
00:30:06
falsification was removed after the events of the eleventh
00:30:08
year in March of the twelfth year there were
00:30:10
presidential elections and Moscow was the
00:30:13
only center where Putin scored
00:30:16
less than 50% the only region 47% he
00:30:19
then he scored and, accordingly, a year later
00:30:22
there were mayoral elections, the mayor set the task not to
00:30:25
score too much
00:30:27
too above 47 but at the same time to win in the
00:30:30
first round, for this if you
00:30:33
remember Alexei Navalny was urgently taken out
00:30:37
of prison and launched into the electoral
00:30:42
55 signatures 55 signatures from municipal
00:30:45
deputies in Moscow and he
00:30:48
performed brilliantly because it was expected that he
00:30:50
would eat 15% of Sobyanin, he ate 28 Well, there
00:30:56
27 where there were where the
00:30:58
votes were counted quite honestly, it was 28.5 and
00:31:02
he disappointed a lot of people Because people believed
00:31:04
that the elections were rigged, count
00:31:07
honestly then Navalny will win. in the
00:31:11
thirteenth year, they considered it honestly and
00:31:12
found out that he had 28 s, officially
00:31:15
27 something and not officially, Sobyanin
00:31:19
received 51.4, that is, on the contrary, officially
00:31:22
51.4, that is, neck to neck Well, not
00:31:24
Almost like Putin, he had a now
00:31:26
he has a result of 76 or 70 something,
00:31:31
and it’s not a fact that this is drawn
00:31:33
Sobyanin is popular in Moscow, this also needs to
00:31:35
be understood Well, sorry, this is a long story,
00:31:38
all separate each time, yes, this is a
00:31:40
long story every time Dmitry Sorry,
00:31:42
we literally have 5 minutes left A
00:31:44
You mentioned Grigory Melkonyan. And this is
00:31:47
what I would like to ask about: the intensification of
00:31:50
repression. Yes, it is not becoming, they are not
00:31:52
becoming more widespread, but they are
00:31:54
becoming more cruel because the
00:31:56
terms that are given in criminal cases are
00:31:59
simply some kind of monstrous, plus we see
00:32:01
that People who
00:32:03
they end up Well, more precisely, they become
00:32:05
defendants in a criminal case, they end up in a
00:32:07
pre-trial detention center and not under house arrest. Why are
00:32:13
these increased repressions - this is a
00:32:16
sign of what? Well, firstly, this is a
00:32:20
symptom of the path that Putin has chosen
00:32:23
because he cannot
00:32:26
stand the competition
00:32:29
and the entire Putin system is afraid He’s
00:32:32
afraid and therefore the repressions will
00:32:36
intensify, there’s no getting around it,
00:32:38
I think they wo
00:32:42
n’t become mass repressions. And secondly, this is,
00:32:45
of course, a very clear signal: sit
00:32:48
tight under your bench, but don’t
00:32:53
stick your head out, it works, unfortunately, but
00:32:57
where can you go against scrap? There’s no reception and in
00:32:59
in general, not
00:33:02
all even the most desperate people like to
00:33:06
go to jail. Especially for 8-10
00:33:08
years, if not more, so no one here. No
00:33:12
complaints under any circumstances. In
00:33:15
no case should you encourage people to go
00:33:17
to the trouble, but to come and exercise
00:33:20
their right to do with a ballot is what
00:33:23
you think is necessary. I think it’s correct
00:33:25
because otherwise you’re really sitting
00:33:27
under the bench and pretending that
00:33:30
you’re wearing a white coat. No, there’s no
00:33:32
white coat under the bench.
00:33:36
That’s what you suggest to those who want to
00:33:41
take at least some action against
00:33:45
this is to vote against everyone, well, relatively
00:33:48
speaking, since we don’t have such a vote.
00:33:52
Dat I suggest
00:33:54
even to the respectable listeners of
00:33:57
your stream or your channel. I
00:34:00
suggest this to the opposition, they could
00:34:04
unite, stop dividing which of
00:34:07
them is in the whitest coat, which of them is in the
00:34:11
dark white coat, let’s say so and
00:34:15
agree on the fact that we are not voting for
00:34:17
anyone, we are voting against the war, not even
00:34:19
against Putin, because it is driven by fire, but
00:34:23
against the war, you can vote against all this
00:34:26
with the help of a spoiled
00:34:28
ballot, if only they could
00:34:30
agree without dividing anything among themselves
00:34:34
because it is for no one it doesn’t give anything, it
00:34:37
just gives an opportunity to
00:34:38
demonstrate relationships and call on
00:34:40
everyone to come up with something like this.
00:34:43
I think it would work, well, we see
00:34:48
how
00:34:50
Boris decided that he could
00:34:53
act as a carrier or concentrator of
00:34:55
these negative
00:34:58
moods of the Voters. That’s what I don’t
00:35:00
believe in. With all due respect to Boris Thank you
00:35:03
very much Dmitry political scientist Dmitry
00:35:05
Oreshkin was on our morning broadcast of a
00:35:07
live nail Dmitry
00:35:09
thank you again I’m glad that we are finally on the
00:35:11
same broadcasts again sometimes
00:35:13
Thank you very much

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