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Hello everyone, I served Elena as and this is a
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difficult conversation about black and white, in
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principle, anything can be him
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or me, but these are not opposites since they are
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always clusters of each other’s colors
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and the perception of how yin black or yam
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white will depend on many
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factors my guest today the writer is
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Boris Akunin, but what if we consider
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Russia from the position of them I, what we are
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today and we will see positive and
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negative will depend on
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many factors, yes, of course,
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these are still very personal questions, I think
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that everyone will answer it
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differently, they are native there is a very
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difficult conversation ahead because we are now
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living in very difficult times,
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what are difficult times difficult
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times when some things become
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very simple black and white, for
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example, are you for war or are you against
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war are you for the dictatorship of the elite against the
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dictatorship there on this matter there, for
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example, with fluctuations of which there is no answer, the answer is
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clear, but there are things that are very difficult,
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there are things in which it’s really
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like the yin and yang of the incomprehensible grandfather black
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comes with white and they are all mixed, this is
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something that torments us but many of us now in these
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months so much because that
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one of the most important
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aspects of our where and my
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existence is given to this zone, this is a question of identification itself,
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because we are people, that is to say,
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Russian culture, people from Russia, what is
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happening now
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in the world, what is happening now with
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Russia, this is an absolutely
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absolutely unbearable
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situation and
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this is a time when attitudes towards Russia have not
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only changed in a
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catastrophic way in the world, this is a time when
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each of us is rethinking our
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own relations with Russia and our
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own attitude towards Russia, and I know
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that many of us, many of those who have left
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now or before, feel a very
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strong desire to sever these ties
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to distance myself, to say that I don’t want
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to have anything to do with this, it has nothing to do with it,
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I know one of the writers there,
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and now suddenly he says, I will write
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in English, one of the journalists
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starts making programs in
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English, I can imagine what is
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happening there now I don’t know with
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Russian young people and children
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who were born abroad, many
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have a desire to completely
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erase this entire Russian half from themselves
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and completely assimilate,
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distance themselves, and so on and so
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forth,
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and when I talk about a complex
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relationship,
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I don’t mean the relationship of the state
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of the Russian Federation, everything is clear to me here,
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for me the state of the Russian
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Federation
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no longer exists,
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the state of the Russian Federation
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no longer exists, we are talking about
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relationships specifically with Russia with
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Russian culture with the fact that the
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Russian world has now become a dirty word, yes this is a
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phrase from which many simply
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begin to promise
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because it is completely
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compromised, although it’s not
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Russian conditions, don’t call conditions the world, it seems like there’s
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nothing bad, so
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each of us has to
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make our own choice and
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I have to make such a choice, and on the one hand,
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psychologically,
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due to the circumstances, it seems like
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it would be much
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easier for me to do this than many others because,
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firstly, I have been living in Europe for a long time and
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have not been to Russia for many years;
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secondly, I have no problems with the language;
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thirdly, in fact, I
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even have British citizenship;
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I applied for British citizenship when
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Putin changed the constitution;
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it became clear that he was going to become a
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monarch, I thought, well, if
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monarchs were to be served, according to the data,
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honest monarchs would be better than a fake monarchy, not to
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mention the fact that I like Elizabeth the Second
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about a million times more than
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Vladimir 1,
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but for me this is not the way,
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but for me this is not the way at all I’m here I
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had some kind of speech here to the
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English audience and they
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introduced me there obviously as if wanting to
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please me if in British
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delicacy as Church invited a
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Georgian writer I had to make
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an amendment to say that I was Georgian and both a
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Russian writer and a Russian the writer and
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this combination of the Russian writer for me
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does not reveal one from the other,
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Russian culture is part of me and this is
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probably the main fate since I
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write and
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I very clearly see in front of me these
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two Russias, one of which I love and the
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other which I hate,
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you can Is it possible to transfer
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yin-yang to any phenomenon and concept,
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let’s say the attitude towards death in Russia, on the
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one hand, there is an immortal regiment and on the
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other, tens of hundreds of unburied
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Russian soldiers in Ukraine, this is also
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part of the culture, too, and how they
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are compared,
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but they
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probably are not inserted in any way because
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if you’re talking about the Immortal
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Regiment action, it started out as something alive and
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something
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real, then it turned into something
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lawns and quite meaningless, like everything
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that
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the hand of
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this state touches,
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no, I’m not even thinking about that right now
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you are talking about people who go out there
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somewhere to some kind of government officials, these same
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people about whom it is now
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customary in general in the world to talk
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badly about how passive they are and how they
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support the dictatorship, how they are all
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to blame, all that stuff, and again I
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I think in terms of this, and apparently
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due to my
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Japanese education, I soon
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had a dialogue with the writer Mikhail
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Shishkin several years ago where I talked about the fact that
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there are two completely separate and
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Russian forces, 2 social forces, and
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which are constantly fighting among themselves
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for
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some kind of spiritual power over the
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main population who look in
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both directions and choose these two
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hostile forces have existed in Russia there for at
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least 200 years, they have completely
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different ideals, they have completely different
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heroes, those who are heroes for us,
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as a rule are enemies and
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vice versa, so if you start
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to make up such that Lena and I don’t know the
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Pentium of
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my heroes and my anti-heroes, I’m sure
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that this will be a conclusion that is something
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opposite compared to the pantheon of
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some Vladimir Putin,
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relatively speaking, give them as an example,
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with several of your heroes and
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anti-heroes, which was clear, yes,
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that means, of course,
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my favorite hero from the earliest years is the
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author of the story of bygone years,
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historians argue what his name was, not
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old or Sylvester, it doesn’t matter, but this
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man without whom we would not know
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the history of Russia in general, that’s how he saw it,
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how they wrote down how we teach those whom
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he loved loved those and loved ones whom he did
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not love and I don’t know rightly or wrongly
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dark are considered villains, it really warms my
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soul the thought that the most important person in
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ancient Russian history was a writer,
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but this no, it seems to give hope and in
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general for the fact that with Russia everything may be
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bad because a country that
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begins with literature, no one is a
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lost country, then if you move
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further through the Middle Ages, I really
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like
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Nil Sorsky, this is an ideologist of non-covetousness, a
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man who tried unsuccessfully
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to turn the Orthodox Church away from
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Caesar in spirituality, here he is it didn’t
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work out because you forgot other
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interests
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interesting and touching, but either
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some beautifully stuffy novices
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who naturally fell into fate in the Russian
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fortress or there the first Russian
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intellectual
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Radishchev whose soul was
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wounded by suffering became from this, in
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fact, the history of the intelligentsia in Russia began
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with the fact that the soul
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became wounded, well, of course, the
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main person in general in Russian history
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and culture is Pushkin, with whom we were
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all incredibly lucky; difficulties
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in imagining what Russia would be like
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without Pushkin because he brought
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there this wonderful
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living thing our
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idea of ​​humor our
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idea of ​​the beautiful and not beautiful and in
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the language in general, our idea of
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the beautiful and the ugly
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comes largely from the cannon. The most interesting thing
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is that if you ask people from the
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opposite camp, they will not call Pushkin either,
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it will be another Pushkin, it
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will be Pushkin, the author of the Borodino anniversary to the
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slanderers of Russia, these absolutely
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some of these senseless graphs
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masks and poems, from my point of
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view, dreams are not the opposite, but
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Chekhov, of course, is the
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best in human qualities of
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all Russian writers, Korolenko is
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such a good person that it
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even prevented him from being a very good
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writer;
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writers are really good at it, but he is
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still without Woland everything doesn’t happen for some,
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but Korolenko was a completely
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human being and she or there, but of course
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any of us would name Andrei Sakharov,
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although Sakharov, from a literary point of view, is
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also a very difficult
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character, let’s not forget that
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he is the inventor of the hydrogen bomb and that it is
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quite possible that we humanity will perish
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due to the fact that a wonderful man Andrei
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Sakharov invented the hydrogen bomb if
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someone writes somewhere a
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novel called humanity and we
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are all heroes of this work
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it will be literary and the plot is a very
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strong move I can tell you about
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anti-heroes if you want
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but Ivan the formidable
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Ivan the Terrible is no coincidence, to tell
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all these people for and did not go to the official
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historical party, they get so angry when
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you start calling Ivan the Terrible a
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villain and a murderer, then to my
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stress monuments they say Irakli
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Vitaly is a foreigner and when people is he
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important to them or what a vile Pyotr
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Andreevich tolstoy this same KGB
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officer Peter 1, who has committed all sorts of
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disgusting
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acts, is a world champion in survival or
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some founder of the current
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cesspool propagandists Thaddeus
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Bulgarin
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or an eternal traitor and without azef who,
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so to speak, killed from the other side from
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this country in Soviet times,
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of course
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Stalin
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Stalin of course I was a champion on this list
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until recently. On
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February 24, I
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told him that I went out to work as usual
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in the morning to write a book that I was
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very interested in, the code name is
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bright people of Russian history about the role of
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personality in history, bright people as with a
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plus sign as with a minus sign
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because It often happens that villains move
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history much more actively than any
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positive characters, and suddenly
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all this happened, and now I
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think with some horror and disgust that it
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may well turn out
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that the brightest and largest
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personality in Russian history seems to be
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Vladimir Putin,
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this means a person who cares On
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February 24, and treated the comic villain with such a reaction to anything, he
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suddenly turned out to be not at all comical.
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Now we are in a situation where these
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people, but he is definitely the same age as the Russian
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state and does not raise the same doubts,
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may well destroy life on the
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planet because he threatens with nuclear
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weapons who then will be the
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most important Herve personality in Russian
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history if not he and you there if the person
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who is a travers
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look if in the east the concept and
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I is fundamental this in Russia
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after about
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1915 such a concept was important with the
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main symbol should have become
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black square, I don’t think Russia is a black
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square, I don’t think that you can’t understand it with your mind, you
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can’t measure it with a common yardstick, that’s how
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only a poet can speak,
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as a poet doesn’t have to be smart, he’s
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strong in others with his qualities, so
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if I don’t understand something, I try to
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understand it, I try to find
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an explanation for this, and by the way, in relation to
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Russia, I tried to do this with my
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very
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[music] or something
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like the royal
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arithmetic mind, which means I
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began to think that everyone, of course, to talk
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about some kind of national mentality is a
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rather dubious activity; generalizing is
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always risky and nevertheless We all
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know and understand that there is some kind of
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collective Russian that differs from the
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collective British or from the
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collective Chinese, so I somehow
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began to think about how to determine this formula.
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There are
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several cultures that are not
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alien to me, besides Russian, I decided that I would start with
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them so as not to it was mixed in that this is an
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emotional thing to say, and I am
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interested in the formula of
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what a given culture strives for, what
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it considers commendable, what it
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considers beautiful, because every
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phenomenon must be judged because of
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the best that is in it and because of what it
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could become, what it would like to become what does
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he strive for they smell some kind of
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qualities that are often caused by
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injuries there are incidents and so on, well,
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I decided everything should be a triad
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that I should be nearby and because the
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detachments they are more accustomed to coming from the trinity there is
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freedom equality and brotherhood
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peace work May
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quiet Kirchi kinder three points already
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allow you to create some kind of
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volume, so I began to think about what
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formulas the British family takes
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because, but I live in Britain, I look
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around and I’m interested, so I thought that
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this is the British ideal
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formula, what’s in this culture
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is considered the most commendable and worthy,
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probably, firstly, of course,
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freedom is unconditional because England is the first
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country that touched freedom
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back in the
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13th century with the Liberty Charter, secondly, it is
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certainly a divider, the dignity of which is
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inextricably linked with freedom, without
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freedom it does not exist, and thirdly, this is
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probably honestly, the game is fair play,
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that is, this is the correct one, this
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squad is quite nice, let's
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try about France, which you
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are going to
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figure out there, no, you think where,
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absolutely, since 1789, that's liberty, that's
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for sure, but about equality and brotherhood, I do
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n't think so, it seems to me that the other two
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components French, these bastards of the triad
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are, firstly,
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such a spirit, sublimity and spray, and just like that, to
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rise above the ground,
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aspiration, such faith and of course
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beauty, like this, this is freedom, I do
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n’t know, as if from a teacher,
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sublimity of spirit, varnish, such
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elation and beauty, this is French
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detachment is also nice, we respect the Japanese,
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who, frankly speaking, are not strangers to me,
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who interest me very keenly, well,
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firstly, of course, the feeling of a
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long, long time, and secondly, this is the word
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for which there is no exact correspondence in the
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Russian language, it is also called sits down,
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this is a quality that in Japanese
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is considered the most the main thing is such
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sincerity, authenticity, genuine, yes,
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because what is hara-kiri,
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this is a samurai showing his pipe,
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look, I have nothing to hide, with this
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act of mine I demonstrate my
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connection, this is where in the literature
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you can talk about someone in demand in the same Kiev,
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often in demand. there is among the virgin lands to be
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satiated, how to translate it in Russian,
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there is not even an exact translation, but this is a very
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important quality and the third quality is,
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of course, beauty too, but not like the
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French because Japanese beauty
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is beauty that does not hit the eye, it will be
00:19:01
genes, it is hidden beauty, it is a constant
00:19:04
requiring some qualifications and
00:19:05
some training, also a nice
00:19:07
series turns out, but now let’s move on to the
00:19:11
difficult task, let’s move on to the Russian strand
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and
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it also turns out very beautiful and
00:19:22
completely different. I won’t take from the
00:19:24
thieves’ triad the very glory of autocracy
00:19:28
in Orthodoxy, the people because this is a
00:19:30
triad that is beneficial to the state and it
00:19:34
was always beneficial to the state, and
00:19:36
now it is called differently, but to give a
00:19:38
complete hint, it was preserved and the
00:19:40
autocracy was preserved and Orthodoxy
00:19:43
was preserved and the nationality was preserved, the
00:19:46
nationality is the style of Russian
00:19:48
television, this untied snow
00:19:51
there with such a dense presence through the teeth,
00:19:54
as if a conversation in which the authorities
00:19:55
are talking to the people here we are and the people, I’m
00:19:57
with you, I’m the people, I’m not with these bespectacled
00:20:00
mia, here I am the people’s power for soaking in
00:20:03
the toilet, this is what the people of
00:20:05
Russian diplomacy with others
00:20:06
distributed to the diplomat, that is, it’s not
00:20:08
only from the people’s balance of the main
00:20:10
ones, you can’t even have the president
00:20:12
remember another president,
00:20:15
I think that this Lavrov
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is talking on the sidelines with the
00:20:21
plans there until 7, not like he will talk
00:20:22
in front of television cameras, this is all being done, to
00:20:25
say for the Russian branch, I am
00:20:27
absolutely sure of this, so if
00:20:29
we talk about Russianness, what is
00:20:32
Russianness? triad yes, it seems to me
00:20:35
that the first component is the truth,
00:20:41
here is the desire to get to the very essence,
00:20:44
right down to the self-destructive sti
00:20:47
what about the brother, this is the notorious one,
00:20:49
explained by the fact that the truth
00:20:51
has always been given very difficult in this country, you
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always had to reach it with your
00:20:56
mind and with risking your life to get to the bottom of this,
00:20:58
therefore, this is a very important thing, searching for water,
00:21:00
you are the truth who are leading there Russian
00:21:01
literature and Russian philosophy and Russian
00:21:05
political activism, the
00:21:07
second feature that is considered highly
00:21:11
commendable and valuable is compassion and
00:21:14
it is, of course, directly related to
00:21:19
great Russian literature, but also
00:21:21
all- with Orthodoxy, because I am a
00:21:24
non-religious church-going person,
00:21:26
I understand that real,
00:21:28
unalloyed Orthodoxy is built
00:21:30
primarily on compassion, and
00:21:32
finally, of course, the third feature is this kind of
00:21:37
breadth,
00:21:40
breadth, which is explained, again, by the fact
00:21:42
that a person always he was not free, he
00:21:44
was shackled, he was squeezed, he was yearning all the time
00:21:47
because to straighten his
00:21:50
shoulders and somehow breathe freely and
00:21:53
breadth is something very much what he
00:21:57
strives for, as it seems to me, such a
00:22:00
national thing of forest nature, of course,
00:22:02
and space Russian also matters here,
00:22:03
that is, at its best,
00:22:08
Russian is such an archetypal person, this is
00:22:12
some kind of compassionate and spiritual
00:22:16
generous prada seeker, this is not the
00:22:18
worst picture, there is no smell of a black square here,
00:22:22
but
00:22:25
when we look at Russian history and
00:22:28
when we look around us, we Every now and
00:22:32
then we see a completely different Russian
00:22:33
person who behaves completely
00:22:36
differently, who means he will be shot
00:22:39
in Katyn, who will commit atrocities in the
00:22:44
gulag, who will create
00:22:47
this horror in the riot until such an eternal,
00:22:52
such an eternal thing with a washing
00:22:56
machine on a tank, well, that’s something like that
00:22:59
and now for the whole world he
00:23:02
has completely obscured that Russian
00:23:04
person whom I love at home and which I
00:23:07
described above, the world sees only I could,
00:23:10
now the Russian Russian is this one
00:23:14
and this one also exists, it is
00:23:17
passed down from generation to generation,
00:23:19
this muddy
00:23:21
dark
00:23:23
tradition of water with a dog heads on a broom,
00:23:27
and at the same
00:23:29
time, these people consider themselves
00:23:33
real Russians,
00:23:34
real patriots,
00:23:39
but
00:23:41
let's move on from
00:23:43
where it comes from where it
00:23:45
comes from this muddy and
00:23:48
dirty
00:23:49
force to which now this muddy stuff
00:23:52
that has fallen to the surface where it
00:23:54
comes from
00:23:56
why so many people are so willing rolling around
00:24:00
in this mud, this is also something
00:24:02
national, something Russian, which is
00:24:04
Russian, so I remember my Soviet
00:24:07
childhood, although I had a very short
00:24:09
period of this Soviet childhood, I got it, but I
00:24:11
remember
00:24:12
the teacher who humiliated you there
00:24:14
and was cruel and remember any Soviet
00:24:18
hospital when to bring you to
00:24:20
us, don’t sit there and now I’ll
00:24:23
sew your mouth up there people so this is for me
00:24:26
I always take if Putin they will
00:24:29
always remain these people who
00:24:30
work in the hospital in prison I don’t have a site
00:24:33
in any woman’s who does not see you as
00:24:35
a person and who
00:24:37
humiliate you and trample you under this power, this is the very
00:24:42
quality, the very properties that all my
00:24:45
life I have considered my main enemy in
00:24:49
Russia, and
00:24:51
this is not something
00:24:53
fatal, this is not something mystical, this is
00:24:57
not there is something incurable because
00:25:01
this syndrome has you, if you will, of
00:25:04
a disease and I completely understand the
00:25:07
specific reason, the
00:25:08
historical reason, I would call the
00:25:12
key factor by which the
00:25:15
value of each individual
00:25:18
person in a country of
00:25:20
civilization is determined, and the
00:25:23
level
00:25:25
of development or lack of
00:25:27
self-esteem
00:25:29
is the most important factor because a
00:25:32
person or a culture or a country where
00:25:37
self-esteem is highly developed
00:25:39
will lead and
00:25:41
will respect both oneself and others because
00:25:45
otherwise it is unworthy to behave if we
00:25:47
look at the history of Russia we will see
00:25:51
that
00:25:52
self-esteem and
00:25:55
tyranny are incompatible things for tyranny
00:25:59
any tyranny self-esteem
00:26:00
dignity is the main enemy, that’s why
00:26:02
I hate Stalin most of all,
00:26:07
because Stalin, as a person who is
00:26:10
certainly very capable and very
00:26:13
calculating, systematically trampled down his
00:26:17
subjects’ self-
00:26:18
esteem, they all had to
00:26:21
go through humiliation, he simply
00:26:23
organically did not bring people around him
00:26:26
who had a sense of self
00:26:29
dignity and now our current Stalin
00:26:33
is completely on his way
00:26:37
to you remember this security council,
00:26:39
these mean these same slaves who are
00:26:42
already sitting in their heads, this is
00:26:44
how they have degrees of dignity 0
00:26:50
not a single person with
00:26:51
self-esteem after it came to February 24,
00:26:55
the state a person who cares about
00:26:57
the good of the state, they
00:26:59
would not have remained at their post in their own skin,
00:27:03
have you seen these people resign at least once there, they
00:27:05
understand everything, many of them and
00:27:08
I am
00:27:10
disgusted by these so-called
00:27:11
systemic liberals
00:27:13
who keep afloat, this
00:27:16
means this cunning ship because
00:27:19
they have there is no self-esteem
00:27:21
because each of them thinks there
00:27:23
only for themselves
00:27:24
they find for themselves 150,000 critical
00:27:27
truth of course
00:27:28
you know this most developed intellect in
00:27:32
this sense is very helpful you will always
00:27:34
find well, how are people but what about Don
00:27:36
how is everything really all very
00:27:37
simple
00:27:39
and clear and this is the
00:27:42
lack of self-esteem
00:27:45
is the main Russian problem,
00:27:49
I have my
00:27:53
character for centuries, and since Petrovich Fandorin in one
00:27:56
of the novels
00:27:58
says, or rather says, we write in a diary
00:28:01
that there are proverbs and sayings that
00:28:03
hate Russians, so they collect in
00:28:08
it will be here this one is not
00:28:12
national, but you know this,
00:28:17
love me little black, the
00:28:20
elite will all go away,
00:28:24
everyone needs to eat, and
00:28:28
we won’t survive this with a whip, and you won’t break the neck from bowing, this is
00:28:32
all this, all the
00:28:35
result of the fact
00:28:37
that the state constantly kept people,
00:28:41
as it were, for the code
00:28:42
she bent her face to the ground look look
00:28:46
at the dirt look at the sky don’t look
00:28:48
in order for people to become different the
00:28:52
conditions of life in society
00:28:56
must change the
00:28:58
moral rules of
00:29:00
the state good states of the bad
00:29:02
differ in that in a good
00:29:03
state it is beneficial for the average person to
00:29:05
be good it is beneficial to behave
00:29:09
decently,
00:29:10
and vice versa, and here at the moment in the
00:29:12
modern Russian state it is
00:29:14
advantageous to behave indecently, it is
00:29:16
advantageous to be put, it is
00:29:19
advantageous for you to be an informer, it is advantageous
00:29:21
not to contradict your superiors in anything,
00:29:25
and guess what you want, this is all a
00:29:29
disgusting set of qualities and he has
00:29:32
long traditions to tell, this is what I
00:29:42
hate this very phenomenon called the Russian mentality,
00:29:48
these diseases have
00:29:51
positive results, doesn’t it
00:29:54
really depend on the state? It’s hard for me to
00:29:57
understand a woman who talks to
00:29:59
her son who is fighting in Ukraine, she
00:30:02
tells him that she
00:30:03
killed God with her own hands from Ukrainian children,
00:30:06
this is the same not only Putin is to blame for this,
00:30:10
chicken brains are to blame for this, the
00:30:13
inhabitants of probably any country have them, that’s why
00:30:17
I would
00:30:18
n’t
00:30:21
talk about this particular specific case, but the state, of course,
00:30:24
depends on a lot, the state in general
00:30:27
is needed for,
00:30:30
first of all, it seems to me, in order to
00:30:34
set the
00:30:37
tone for behavior even to a greater extent it
00:30:40
depends from state to state,
00:30:41
of course the function is to protect, help the
00:30:46
weak and not interfere too much with those who can
00:30:49
and want to work, as if the right hand of freedom is
00:30:51
correctly set up, but
00:30:55
there are also
00:31:00
separate functions for the first person of
00:31:01
the state,
00:31:02
this is also very important because the person and
00:31:05
that is, the person and his main task is
00:31:08
to set an example of decent behavior
00:31:11
so that you want to behave the way
00:31:14
he behaves, and this is
00:31:18
how it is, just like Shakespeare, here are two
00:31:23
faces, look at Vladimir Putin and
00:31:26
look at Zelensky, how they both
00:31:28
behave in this particular situation
00:31:31
Of course, we must also take into account the fact that the
00:31:34
universal, as it were, an actor, this comes easier to him,
00:31:37
well, Putin, himself of the country, has been
00:31:39
sitting there in the corner of power for a long time,
00:31:40
so that we could
00:31:42
learn what signals they give to
00:31:45
society,
00:31:46
as always, each of them, looking at
00:31:50
him, is about to, if the country should to
00:31:52
imitate him as the country will imitate with
00:31:55
such whom it will imitate as if sit
00:31:58
100 times about the mass such a first person with
00:32:00
such such a thing
00:32:03
French leaders are respected except for Chirac
00:32:08
advisors have always been people of culture
00:32:13
to dedicate or philosophers and writers
00:32:15
still macron
00:32:17
advises the writer has not placed a number
00:32:19
people who, in this case, Vladimir
00:32:22
Putin has
00:32:23
some other advisers to the
00:32:26
kind of culture we see, listen to the writer,
00:32:36
I’m honestly not sure that the head
00:32:39
of state can listen to the writer
00:32:40
because a writer is still a
00:32:42
rather
00:32:45
specific occupation and
00:32:49
state issues of public
00:32:51
administration are
00:32:52
not included in their number is another matter that there is a
00:32:56
head of state soup, most likely any
00:32:58
person in a very large
00:33:00
responsible position should have a set of
00:33:02
such tuning forks in different areas by
00:33:05
which he checks his decisions among
00:33:09
them, of course, there should
00:33:11
be people from the field of culture
00:33:13
because culture, among other things it is
00:33:15
also very important for the state and
00:33:18
public administration, it creates an
00:33:21
atmosphere in society, it gives it
00:33:23
some ideas for the direction of development, and so on and so
00:33:26
on, no, well,
00:33:29
about Vladimir Putin, and even to be honest, I have
00:33:32
n’t even
00:33:34
thought about it
00:33:36
for a long time,
00:33:39
besides, based on the general ideas that
00:33:44
when some kind of test occurs, like
00:33:46
this is a disaster, for some reason it is necessary, it means on the
00:33:50
highway, and for some reason you need to go through
00:33:52
this difficult stage, this is this test, I
00:33:59
naturally think about what will happen next,
00:34:02
what will happen then, what will happen to Russia what
00:34:06
will happen to the Russians and here, too,
00:34:08
it turns out like this, but there are
00:34:11
holes
00:34:13
here now, as it seems to me, there are two
00:34:17
options, or it
00:34:21
means that it will win and
00:34:24
Russia will turn into such a huge
00:34:27
North Korea that is a teacher of
00:34:29
nuclear missiles from the rest of
00:34:31
the world and will then rot for God knows how many
00:34:34
years and everyone will flourish there,
00:34:38
what I listed above is the meanness of
00:34:41
denunciation, servility, fear, this will
00:34:46
eat up generation after generation of living
00:34:49
people, be maimed, so it will turn
00:34:53
into such a I don’t know monster and things
00:34:55
for the whole world, this is a terrible idea and an
00:34:57
old idea and there is a second option he is
00:35:01
also very
00:35:02
[music]
00:35:04
heavy scary Russia in fact
00:35:07
now the current situation there is only
00:35:09
one way to cleanse and
00:35:12
rehabilitate and restore your
00:35:14
reputation this method is called
00:35:16
revolution
00:35:18
this is also a
00:35:23
dramatic tragic path this is the
00:35:26
path of purification but I don’t see 3 options
00:35:32
because everything the rest will
00:35:35
still be stained with dirt, for a long time
00:35:39
I have a feeling of
00:35:40
some kind of excellent bankruptcy
00:35:43
because
00:35:45
my generation,
00:35:48
we are kneeling, that is, this is the segment of
00:35:51
life for which we are responsible,
00:35:58
in August 1991 we stood in the
00:36:03
rain near the white house
00:36:04
we were a little afraid when we started
00:36:07
shooting,
00:36:08
three of us were killed, and
00:36:11
we all decided that from now on
00:36:16
Russia will have a happily ever after, we can
00:36:18
relax,
00:36:20
this new state has arisen,
00:36:22
tricolor,
00:36:24
double-headed eagle, everyone is free,
00:36:27
everything is fine, 30 years have passed, this is
00:36:31
the state in the
00:36:33
creation of which we took part,
00:36:35
you can say that it was our
00:36:37
state,
00:36:38
we didn’t preserve it, it has turned into who
00:36:42
what has it turned into is some kind of
00:36:45
major personal file a
00:36:48
file for the defeat of our generation and
00:36:51
now to pull Russia out of the mud and
00:36:55
raise it there somehow to rebuild it will be the
00:36:57
next generations who could have our children
00:36:59
there not for or already
00:37:01
We left this to our grandchildren, and
00:37:07
this,
00:37:09
even along with all sorts of other difficult
00:37:11
thoughts that have been overwhelming me in recent
00:37:14
months, this may be the hardest thing,
00:37:16
what options can there be and what
00:37:21
hopes for a revolution, if so, even if they are
00:37:23
fake, these polls are still 80
00:37:25
percent satisfied, I understand that of this
00:37:30
combination, let them be fake, are
00:37:32
these polls or are they fake, are they not
00:37:33
fakes, if they are fake, you can
00:37:35
ignore my personal one, Vera Shosh, I don’t
00:37:37
believe in any polls in a state in
00:37:40
which it’s scary to tell the truth, but
00:37:42
when I’m even a little uncomfortable for the
00:37:44
respected Levada Center, what he operates
00:37:46
seriously with these figures
00:37:49
where things are going in the right direction in
00:37:52
the wrong direction you want to know
00:37:54
in order to be on a company professional you are a
00:37:56
professional sociologist ask an indirect
00:37:58
question from which it will add up
00:37:59
to tell the real picture where these polls are
00:38:01
maybe they are somewhere but I don’t see them
00:38:04
so here
00:38:06
it means, well, what will happen next, there is
00:38:10
nothing new under the sun, it will be the same as it
00:38:12
has always been, we are dealing with an extremely
00:38:15
ineffective corrupt system
00:38:17
that cannot even fulfill the
00:38:19
vile tasks it sets for itself,
00:38:22
we see all this very well in the
00:38:24
example of this war, in the example of this
00:38:26
economics, using the example of this science,
00:38:31
these are
00:38:33
individuals who do not produce anything, we
00:38:36
see the level of physical thinking, all
00:38:39
the hope that is connected is that
00:38:42
God willing, ours will not abandon Beijing, and already the fact
00:38:45
that Russia, the Russian Federation,
00:38:47
will become a Chinese colony, God bless him,
00:38:49
only you can sit here for us
00:38:53
can continue for a long time only in one case, in
00:38:56
fact, if the Western leaders
00:38:59
finally decide that rather than the Russian
00:39:02
revolution, the transformation of this huge
00:39:04
space in Yugoslavia where everyone is at
00:39:07
war with everyone and there are nuclear weapons in them is better to
00:39:09
let this Saddam Hussein survive
00:39:11
than to overthrow him and a new gene will appear, it is
00:39:13
better to let in
00:39:15
This very dictator sits there and scares everyone with his
00:39:19
missiles, then the option is quite
00:39:21
real and
00:39:23
terrible specifically for Russia and for everything
00:39:26
that we talked about above, if this
00:39:30
does not happen, but it’s all falling apart, it will
00:39:33
all fall apart for economic reasons due
00:39:35
to the grave mistakes that it endlessly
00:39:39
makes this incompetent leadership
00:39:41
will be the same as February 17,
00:39:45
when no composition was needed,
00:39:47
no revolutionary and they
00:39:49
were all either you in migration or in Siberia and
00:39:51
still everything is fine
00:39:56
with Ukraine, I hope everything will be fine
00:40:02
because the situation now in Ukraine and
00:40:05
Ukrainians is terrible it’s really terrible and
00:40:08
yet I envy them in a certain sense
00:40:10
because everything is bad for them today,
00:40:13
but I don’t know that tomorrow everything will be
00:40:15
fine, but for the Russians today everything is bad and
00:40:19
tomorrow everything will be worse and everyone
00:40:21
knows and understands this too, Ukraine first
00:40:24
realized It’s
00:40:26
finally recognized itself as a real nation and has been recognized by the
00:40:31
whole world, it’s what they call seriously, it’s
00:40:34
finally appeared on the map as a big and
00:40:36
important country,
00:40:38
and God forbid that everything goes
00:40:42
well for it, I’m sure that everyone will help with this
00:40:46
if this very
00:40:50
bristling
00:40:51
Russian Federation dictatorship remains nearby then of
00:40:54
course there will be no peace for Ukraine, not for Europe, and for
00:40:58
the world, and there is
00:41:00
one more thing that I would like to
00:41:03
ask you, can I say that Boris
00:41:06
Akunin, her Grigory Chkhartishvili,
00:41:07
this is also a kind of yin-yang here, I have
00:41:10
more than one, I have several
00:41:12
pseudonyms, that’s why I not so much and not me as
00:41:14
such a Rubik's cube,
00:41:16
but I
00:41:21
never hid something that I think
00:41:24
as simply as a private person as a
00:41:28
person and now in general there are times
00:41:30
when it seems to me that the person
00:41:34
you are has some kind of public outlet he is
00:41:36
ashamed to remain silent,
00:41:38
the truth is now in such a situation,
00:41:41
silence is
00:41:43
tantamount to some kind of
00:41:46
captaincy, this is the 5th question, like the 5th question,
00:41:48
self-esteem, in
00:41:50
the end it all comes down to
00:41:51
I should probably make an amendment to
00:41:55
what I said above because this
00:41:57
applied to people who like me
00:42:00
are in security zone, if a
00:42:04
public person is
00:42:06
inside Russia, then for me personally, it will be
00:42:10
quite enough if he does not
00:42:12
participate in the abomination and does not
00:42:14
support them. We are now in a
00:42:17
situation where it is not even possible for a
00:42:21
public person to be complicit in this
00:42:25
crime, but now is an
00:42:27
act it’s just like it was like in the
00:42:30
USSR I’m saving myself and you communicate with people in
00:42:34
Russia you have friends left there and and
00:42:37
[music]
00:42:39
what changes did you see them again didn’t
00:42:42
come solution my friends left
00:42:46
simply because of the inability to endure this
00:42:49
atmosphere
00:42:50
out of reluctance to be even passive
00:42:52
accomplices are those who stayed
00:42:55
because of some
00:42:58
personal family circumstances that
00:43:00
cannot allow someone, as if
00:43:03
they say there, to leave him for everyone now is
00:43:06
very difficult and for me it is very
00:43:10
bright and scary for
00:43:13
me, naturally, since I am a writer, I
00:43:17
receive a lot of feedback there are connections
00:43:19
there from readers who write to me every
00:43:21
day in large numbers, so I
00:43:23
have some idea of
00:43:26
the mood, in any case, among people
00:43:29
who are interested in me to some extent,
00:43:31
and this in the office is not necessarily
00:43:34
some pleasant at the time container thing
00:43:36
art is full people write to me
00:43:39
something in the spirit of, well, how can you be
00:43:41
such an interesting writer and
00:43:44
such a bad person, I don’t know, and
00:43:47
why do you not like Russia
00:43:51
and why are you such a Russophobe, this is
00:43:55
written by people for whom,
00:43:57
apparently, Russia really is
00:43:59
like that putin
00:44:01
landi and who doesn’t like putin here doesn’t like
00:44:03
russia it’s just these people like you
00:44:05
personally i don’t like
00:44:08
another parallel and make germany
00:44:11
[music]
00:44:13
after the war there was a
00:44:17
very difficult period of
00:44:21
911 fications and the children of the leaders of the reich were caught on fire
00:44:25
and then the whole the country
00:44:28
you learned to understand what actually
00:44:31
happened to him, we will succeed
00:44:32
if we follow the scenario when
00:44:34
the revolution occurred, we are not North Korea,
00:44:37
this will be a very big difference between the
00:44:40
new Russia and
00:44:42
post-war Germany because
00:44:44
Germany was defeated in the war, it
00:44:46
was occupied a completely different
00:44:48
story in Russia there will be a revolution,
00:44:53
this will set the tone by people who were not
00:44:56
defeated and who
00:44:58
won, and
00:45:00
therefore, of course,
00:45:02
the country will have to very seriously
00:45:05
deal with its memory of people
00:45:08
who committed crimes, for example, I am a
00:45:12
categorical and principled
00:45:14
opponent of lustration
00:45:16
because illustrations are something
00:45:18
administrative and I am for a fair trial
00:45:22
for the personal responsibility of each
00:45:24
person for what
00:45:25
he did or did not do, whether he should have done it or not,
00:45:31
and I am a supporter of the ancient and
00:45:35
medieval rule
00:45:38
that it is better to release the guilty than
00:45:41
to convict the innocent, and I think that in
00:45:44
Russia for many years there will be
00:45:46
trials in which the country will
00:45:49
first of all, deal with yourself,
00:45:52
what is possible, what is not, what you need to be
00:45:55
responsible for, what you don’t need to be responsible for, this
00:45:58
will be a very important healing
00:45:59
process
00:46:04
for your football

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