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Revenge of dwarfs Duma dwarfs take revenge on00:00:24
voters guests of the program Gennady Sev00:00:28
it The lord00:00:31
liked Chechnya You can00:00:37
achieve deeds above words lies deeds00:00:44
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Luzhkov Hello Gennady Seleznev00:00:53
We waited until the last minute But it looks like00:00:55
He won’t be there because at this moment he’s00:00:57
not there How can we explain to a gay woman one of the programs of00:01:01
our channel not on our program that00:01:03
in itself I don’t know the outlandish reasons for the offense,00:01:06
but we respect the00:01:07
feelings of Gennady Seleznev and believe00:01:10
that his offense is probably not groundless and00:01:12
somehow he justifies it for himself by00:01:15
no less Agree that this week, the00:01:17
week of the full moon and the eclipse, became a00:01:20
week of grievances, a week when everyone was offended00:01:23
by everyone, the only ones not offended.00:01:26
The team of our program in this capacity,00:01:29
we intend to classify the00:01:31
inflating00:01:36
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n for oil, it is absolutely important what00:02:02
Putin will do in the internal outside military00:02:05
domestic policy, how serious00:02:07
will be the threat of the authoritarianism of the regime00:02:09
to which no one can00:02:13
oppose, and at the same time, the Constitution of00:02:16
Russia plus the absence of a democratic00:02:18
opposition will together create00:02:21
colossal temptations for it,00:02:24
therefore, in my opinion, Putin urgently and00:02:28
necessarily00:02:31
needs opposition today, and it would be better if it didn’t exist yesterday and00:02:35
this is not expected, solemnly and00:02:36
publicly proved to the parties in the State Duma, the00:02:38
contenders for the title of opposition00:02:41
behaved like a jilted lover all this00:02:44
week, ovr SPS and the apple grabbed Putin00:02:46
by the sleeves, begged, said that they would forgive,00:02:50
asked to come back, in short,00:02:52
they played out a classic scene with the00:02:55
fool Dawn, who smeared tears on her cheeks00:02:58
with with mascara runs after him to the elevator and makes the00:03:03
neighbors' unintentional witnesses00:03:05
accomplices of the obscene scene00:03:07
dumped by00:03:08
his mistress Episode one scene00:03:12
of jealousy every deputy should know that00:03:16
decisions are made by a majority of those who have00:03:18
226 votes those decisions will be00:03:22
made today everyone else can classify themselves00:03:24
as any kind of minority but they must00:03:26
agree with00:03:28
the majority, Deputy Ivanenko, in charge,00:03:31
please turn on the microphone. The00:03:33
statement made by Gennady Andreevich Zyuganov on the eve of the break00:03:36
that a00:03:38
meeting of faction leaders will now be held, there are00:03:39
two or three small00:03:42
issues left that need to be agreed upon,00:03:44
is a lie, since during the break the00:03:48
meeting was held by Zyuganov00:03:50
Gryzlov Kharitonov Zhirinovsky and district officials00:03:55
this is the first time in the history of00:03:56
the State Duma that such a00:03:59
meeting of00:04:00
the other factions is being held and is being completely ignored.00:04:03
Thank you, Deputy Primakov, please turn on00:04:06
the microphone. The decision to remain on the00:04:09
voting list for each candidate for the00:04:12
Chairman of the Duma or not to remain on the00:04:15
voting list depends on00:04:18
how the elections will be held, the00:04:28
deputy depends on of one or another type of00:04:32
voting, the floor00:04:34
is given to Comrade00:04:36
Evgeniy Maksimovich Primakov in these conditions00:04:39
when they are offered by the way Like00:04:41
this Here to vote quickly in an open00:04:45
way everyone else withdraws their00:04:48
candidacies there is a real conspiracy underway00:04:52
in such conditions I withdraw my00:04:55
candidacy I refuse I do not00:04:58
applaud00:05:00
You better go on another occasion, when00:05:03
the Duma is not raised to such a00:05:05
position that no one will take it into account.00:05:08
Then you are00:05:11
welcome if they offer us one00:05:15
committee, so in00:05:17
the resolution we refuse this00:05:21
committee. Let all the committees be00:05:26
taken over by those that are00:05:28
namt00:05:31
shmt deputy Mitrofanov please00:05:34
Evgeniy Maksimovich, you are an international activist and you00:05:37
know perfectly well that even having gained 1 2%00:05:41
more in the00:05:43
US Senate, all committees go to the winners, you00:05:48
know this perfectly well for00:05:50
a minute. Let me give the floor to00:05:53
deputy Sergei00:05:56
Vadimovich Stepashin, I, like my colleagues00:06:00
Evgeny Primakov, in this situation when there00:06:03
is practically no00:06:06
alternative, there is no need00:06:08
to prove your program00:06:10
Vladiminovsky you have already said your word I00:06:12
withdraw my candidacy and00:06:15
thank those who supported me00:06:17
as a candidate for the chairman of00:06:18
the State Duma00:06:20
[applause]00:06:23
Thank you00:06:28
for the00:06:30
disgrace very clearly shown by the00:06:35
old Soviet slogan KGB00:06:39
armed detachment of the party Sorry, I00:06:42
can no longer participate in this is a00:06:46
pig00:06:47
Pony, a Yankee deputy, we need to congratulate00:06:51
the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on00:06:58
brilliantly,00:07:01
he doesn’t describe the situation as after the00:07:03
strange removal of the00:07:05
president, the00:07:08
General Secretary of the KGB Central Committee was elected as the new president, something00:07:11
similar is happening and why is it that00:07:13
the microphone of the deputy Shenko and Kovalev is not turned off00:07:15
when there are direct insults and00:07:18
factions of deputies Case the fact that the00:07:21
shutdown happened you were just late00:07:24
nano with hearing something the Armed Forces was00:07:28
normal00:07:32
deputy Yavlinsky the Apple faction will00:07:35
not take part in the00:07:38
uncontested voting worker00:07:41
Apple the Apple faction refuses00:07:44
all nomenklatura positions in the00:07:46
State Duma the Apple faction00:07:49
calls on its allies to leave the hall of00:07:51
the State Duma and not to participate in the00:07:55
actions of the aggressively obedient00:07:58
majority,00:08:04
Deputy Gainulina, our faction regards the decision on an00:08:07
open form of election of the Chairman of00:08:10
the State Duma00:08:13
as undemocratic in00:08:17
form and in essence, therefore the00:08:20
Fatherland faction, all of Russia unanimously decided to00:08:23
take part in such a00:08:28
vote to grant Deputy00:08:31
Kiriyenko, we declare on behalf of the Union of00:08:33
Right Forces that we will not take00:08:36
part in the vote on the election of the speaker00:08:39
if it is carried out by an open00:08:40
vote from one candidate and we00:08:43
refuse to participate in the package00:08:44
agreement that is proposed here00:08:47
we refuse all positions in the00:08:49
State Duma and we will not00:08:51
take part in this vote we will be00:08:52
forced to leave00:08:58
the hall00:09:00
Let me provide word to Deputy00:09:03
Morozov This is an unprecedented00:09:05
conspiracy for Russian parliamentarism,00:09:08
reminiscent of political Munich, but I00:09:11
want to say and remind everyone that after00:09:13
Munich there was another defeated Resta00:09:16
deputy Laktionov please deputies00:09:19
who left the hall of the State Duma they00:09:21
Hope that two to three terms00:09:24
were elected here including The Supreme00:09:27
Council of Russia00:09:29
imagined themselves to be huge and great00:09:32
specialists in the field of unknown00:09:34
sciences, so there was a political struggle in the00:09:38
Russian Federation, a fierce struggle,00:09:41
new political parties and forces came00:09:43
with which we need to agree and which00:09:45
we need to respect, that’s why we have00:09:48
specialists. We have people who00:09:50
are capable of leading any committee who is with00:09:58
you00:09:59
When I first came to the so-00:10:01
called six, Mr. Ivinsky00:10:04
told me Where did you come from, you are not a00:10:06
deputy, you are not a political faction, you are a00:10:09
second-class deputy, Rogozin,00:10:12
please turn on the microphone, I think someone00:10:14
wanted to start a new00:10:16
presidential campaign here today and that’s all speeches00:10:19
that and all the withdrawals of their candidacies00:10:21
were subject to only one logic:00:10:23
to put on a good face on a bad game by00:10:25
losing the elections on December 19 in advance,00:10:29
today they lost them for the second time, the00:10:30
faction of the Liberal Democratic00:10:32
Party of Russia Vladimirovich Zhirinovsky00:10:35
They wanted them to be a00:10:37
minority in control of the situation in the Duma, that’s exactly what00:10:41
they showed your face who is in favor of00:10:43
electing Seleznev Gennady Nikolaevich to the position of Chairman of the00:10:46
State Duma I00:10:48
ask00:10:53
[applause]00:10:58
to vote m State Duma00:11:00
elected Sev Gennady Nikolaevich Gennady00:11:03
Nikolaevich I congratulate you and ask you to00:11:05
accept your rightful00:11:08
[applause]00:11:14
place Thank you00:11:18
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very much So Putin really needs in the00:11:22
Democratic opposition, both words00:11:25
Democratic and opposition are equally00:11:27
important now ovr SPS apple is not the opposition00:11:31
because they are begging from Putin for00:11:33
senior positions in the State Duma the opposition00:11:36
cannot beg for posts the opposition00:11:39
cannot lose dignity instead of00:11:42
being the opposition SPS and apple have become00:11:45
two sentries at00:11:46
the Mausoleum this is the Mausoleum of Primakov00:11:49
Primakov, which in all respects is the former,00:11:52
so the former Primakov does not care about the00:11:55
Voters, in 4 years there00:11:57
will be no elections for him every day. The hope of00:12:00
being resurrected is fading and the young leaders are00:12:03
getting closer every day to being00:12:05
associated with the Primakov00:12:07
mausoleum, three factions are respected The Fatherland, the00:12:10
whole of Russia, the Union of Right Forces and Apple00:12:12
left the meeting room and organized a00:12:15
coordination council to fight for their00:12:17
rights; the regions of Russia left the hall only00:12:20
partially and will fight for rights00:12:22
separately; they have problems;00:12:30
they went to the Duma Although their interests00:12:32
diverged in many respects, those remaining in the00:12:35
meeting room divided the00:12:36
leadership chair among themselves, the communists from the agrarians00:12:40
got the post of speaker and the00:12:41
chairmanship of one committee,00:12:44
unity and allied people's deputies of 1200:12:47
committees One committee left the LDPR,00:12:50
one committee each left the Union of Right Forces and the Russian00:12:54
Parliament - this is the place where the parliamentary00:12:59
parliamentary parliamentary methods are held by accessible00:13:01
parliamentary methods, the remaining00:13:03
factions and the Deputy group of the region of00:13:07
Russia could either agree with the00:13:09
proposal having received quite00:13:11
serious committees. They left the00:13:13
battlefield and those who were absent are always wrong. The00:13:16
second most important post after the speaker, the post of00:13:18
chairman of the budget committee00:13:20
was left not so much by the parties. How00:13:27
much of00:13:30
a compromise has been00:13:34
scrapped in the situation that00:13:37
there are factions00:13:40
boycotting the whole00:13:42
presidential administration as under Yeltsin Although the public00:13:45
was able to see the participation of the administration00:13:47
just at the stage of resolving the crisis,00:13:49
some people from the Kremlin00:13:51
came, but the negotiations between00:13:57
Bylovo Soz Unity and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not00:14:01
take place without the intervention of the00:14:02
presidential administration And its logic00:14:05
was explained to us by experienced deputies of00:14:06
parliament who themselves have been00:14:08
participants in similar transactions more than once; in order for00:14:10
unity to get key committees, a00:14:12
majority is needed; a majority could be00:14:15
obtained either by agreeing with one00:14:17
large faction of the communists or with00:14:19
three small factions of the Union of Right Forces UVR and00:14:22
Apple. Responsible00:14:24
administration officials approached the matter as00:14:26
businessmen made an agreement with the three00:14:29
little ones, and at the same time, before the elections,00:14:32
spoil the image of the communists by the fact that00:14:34
for the sake of narrow party benefits they agreed00:14:36
with the criminal anti-people regime, but00:14:39
those who left, he themselves wanted to unite with the00:14:41
authorities, before our eyes, the unity faction00:14:45
transferred the legislative power in the country00:14:47
into the hands of the Russian Communist Party00:14:48
The Federation simply took it and00:14:51
gave it away. I believe that in the past 2 days the00:14:55
communist representatives of the Communist Party, the00:14:56
Communist Party faction, simply wrapped their00:15:00
fingers around unity like little children, this is a00:15:02
normal parliamentary deal, there was00:15:04
just a whole series of, in my opinion,00:15:07
minor mistakes, as you know, at the heart of any00:15:10
big crisis, there are several00:15:13
wrong ones sometimes even stylistically00:15:15
incorrect actions, and then the crisis00:15:18
turns into such a reality itself, I absorb the00:15:21
reality of Leb Pavlovsky and00:15:23
his two colleagues, Nemtsov, calling them people from the00:15:26
Kremlin, having attended a meeting00:15:29
from a political strategist, his future Assessed00:15:32
skeptically, the troika or the00:15:34
rosary cannot consolidate on an00:15:37
ongoing basis for many reasons00:15:40
that everyone understands I don’t want to00:15:43
list them, since she can’t, it means she00:15:45
must find a way, each of the participants00:15:48
must find a way to come out00:15:51
of this crisis with some kind of prize. The rights act00:15:56
as an independent force, they have a00:15:59
presidential campaign, and straight kov00:16:01
acts in his role as such a00:16:05
political Guru who explains to the00:16:08
young and boiling how to work on00:16:10
Friday OV SPS and Apple delegate00:16:13
Sergei Stepashin to Putin consultations00:16:16
were secret But knowledgeable people say00:16:18
that Putin wanted the rebel factions to00:16:20
return to the Duma but Apple firmly00:16:22
insists on the return of the Committee00:16:24
on International Affairs to him, which was adopted in the Duma00:16:27
hierarchy00:16:29
after the budget We have decided00:16:32
that until the crisis is resolved, we do not00:16:35
work in the hall, we do not work in the00:16:37
Duma Council and do not hold positions. We00:16:40
have insisted before and will now00:16:41
insist that00:16:43
representation reflect the structure of the00:16:45
State Duma and not simply be00:16:48
captured by the so-called Klux Klan of the Union of00:16:51
Right Forces. and the ovr do not impose such strict conditions;00:16:53
moreover, after a telephone00:16:55
conversation with Putin on Saturday, Stepashin00:16:57
accepted the decision00:17:00
to change his negative position. Shin himself00:17:04
denies this. But those who reported such00:17:06
news spoke, albeit anonymously, but00:17:08
quite responsibly, while the TMG factions00:17:11
are waiting for the majority to come to00:17:13
ask them for forgiveness, we are currently00:17:15
waiting for proposals from the majority of the Duma on00:17:18
how the majority of the Duma intends to00:17:21
get out of this crisis situation.00:17:24
This is not quite the correct formulation;00:17:26
they will now wait for an agreement with us. The00:17:29
position of the majority will be softened on00:17:31
Thursday, and Seleznev and Gryzlov stated00:17:33
that if the schismatics do not return to the Duma00:17:35
by Tuesday, then the committees allocated to them00:17:37
will be given to others on Friday. Seleznev,00:17:40
on the contrary, even promised to create00:17:42
two or three more committees for the schismatics.00:17:44
Today there is an opportunity to conduct00:17:46
further negotiations with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation faction and00:17:49
with the unity faction and with the00:17:52
People's Deputy Deputy Group and with the agrarian An00:17:54
industrial group in order for the idea of00:18:00
committees to control the content, but such a00:18:03
gift worth nothing to anyone may00:18:05
not help00:18:07
materialist communists00:18:09
underestimate psychology, experienced00:18:11
legislators believe They felt offended They just00:18:15
seemed to be pushed away, you know, they are used to the00:18:18
fact that they are the figures who decide And00:18:22
during the Duma consultations with them00:18:25
were done quite frankly and if you don’t00:18:28
want us, we’ll come to an agreement with others and00:18:32
goodbye. They didn’t expect this conversation;00:18:34
they don’t need these posts;00:18:37
loud scandals hid the fact that the00:18:38
unified legislative program of the OV00:18:41
Apple and the Union of Right Forces almost completely00:18:43
coincides with the program of unity, it turns out00:18:46
that the right the matter is in the parliament of quite00:18:49
viable forces, Vladimir,00:18:59
after all, with all the whimsical ones from among the Duma00:19:01
dwarfs they tried to come to an agreement; moreover, they were00:19:03
offered quite a lot, but they00:19:05
consider all the people not included in their Circle to be00:19:08
partly00:19:11
second-rate. The00:19:14
Bear does not reach them until the faction00:19:16
Bear that it is second-rate; moreover,00:19:18
many of the self-proclaimed democrats00:19:21
sincerely consider their colleagues from the00:19:23
Bear faction to be so00:19:26
second-rate and second-rate,00:19:29
and here again the deputies from00:19:31
the Bear are so00:19:33
fresh and immaculate, poor and greedy that00:19:36
they are unable to understand all this00:19:38
parliamentary00:19:40
hazing so that you, dear voters,00:19:42
can imagine a little clearly about00:19:44
what we are talking about in a material sense, we00:19:47
asked Alexei Mitrofanov, the former00:19:49
chairman of the State Duma committee from the LDPR, to00:19:52
briefly outline what it means to be the00:19:55
chairman of a State00:19:57
Duma committee precisely and only from the point of view of00:20:00
privileges, because now the vengeful00:20:03
Duma dwarf will be offered to00:20:05
suck out the invented phony committees specially for them from the00:20:09
chairman of the Duma00:20:11
committee there are several00:20:14
privileges, these are large premises in the00:20:16
State00:20:18
Duma, the most important types of communications except the00:20:23
so-called IC Yes, the first TS, the second TS,00:20:27
which by the way is very important for all these former00:20:29
ministers and prime ministers,00:20:31
you understand, for them it is very important access00:20:33
to government communications, the chairman of the00:20:35
Duma committee is entitled to an00:20:38
Audi car with a Federal number, that is, an all-terrain00:20:42
vehicle Yes, with a Federal tricolor and00:20:45
it is practically a two-shift service00:20:59
to a special sector of the Kremlin00:21:01
clinic D1 where00:21:03
the management is served, so to00:21:06
speak, has the right to a dacha or is it who00:21:11
wants a luxury room, let’s say in the boarding house of the00:21:13
Presidential Administration such as00:21:16
Lesnye00:21:18
Dali there00:21:20
is also a connection in Masha00:21:25
mobile00:21:27
GOST for recreation and so on You see,00:21:30
unlike the executive branch, the00:21:31
chairman of the committee is guaranteed, as a00:21:34
rule, if something special does not00:21:36
happen for 4 years, that’s what is very important,00:21:39
he is an independent person. He is guaranteed for 4 years by a00:21:42
package agreement in00:21:44
his position, I sat 4 years and wasn’t00:21:47
Worried that I would be removed, that the00:21:50
President frowned at me, he00:21:52
said something wrong, the position of the minister is00:21:55
not what we remember. Well, there are a number of other00:22:00
related issues. Well, let’s say there are passes to the00:22:03
Kremlin, invitations to the Kremlin for various00:22:06
protocol events, receptions there. There00:22:08
and so on. That is, there are a lot of details like this.00:22:10
Yes, which reflect the status and the00:22:15
chairman of the00:22:16
committee, a different international format at00:22:19
international meetings, that00:22:23
is, you are met there at a high level,00:22:26
abroad at a higher level, and so on and00:22:30
so forth, it will be a shame when the00:22:32
rebels are dwarfs will return to the Duma,00:22:35
suppose they return having accepted a gift00:22:37
in the form of empty committees specially invented for them,00:22:38
this will agree with the00:22:41
complete tearing off of masks and disgrace,00:22:44
suppose Putin will accept them from the resonant00:22:46
bears and with them the Voters of00:22:49
the bears will force the bears to make room and00:22:52
give a couple of llama pieces the avenger00:22:54
to the dwarfs then the dwarfs they will eat from00:22:57
Putin’s hand and shout that they are the opposition00:23:01
looks very unreliable Isn’t it00:23:03
like the elite of the Soviet intelligentsia00:23:05
who bravely, without fear of reprisals,00:23:07
recently ate from the hand of the CPSU and the KGB,00:23:11
such a role is quite familiar for the former00:23:13
Primakov, for example,00:23:14
let’s assume Putin will feel sorry for them, but00:23:17
against the bear and them He won’t00:23:19
go to the voters. Then he will have to, after unthinkable00:23:21
steps, publicly apologize to00:23:24
the voters and00:23:26
willpower to admit the shame is not enough, they will00:23:30
silently return to the Duma with a worthy exit,00:23:32
after which the dwarfs can00:23:34
return with their heads held high, I don’t see00:23:37
it again, even if Putin gives in to them and they00:23:40
accept gift, then they will cease to be a00:23:43
democratic opposition by00:23:48
definition, I propose to move on to a00:23:51
positive analysis of the situation in the Duma,00:23:54
insurgent Propaganda has already come up with a00:23:55
way out for Putin, a way out of Ozy Putin00:23:58
knew nothing, and Berezovsky did everything instead of him and against him,00:24:01
so Putin00:24:04
is given a hint of a way out when he according to them00:24:07
plan to00:24:08
cut off the ultimatum elections, then it00:24:11
will be easy for him to blame everything on Berezovsky And it00:24:14
is well known about Berezovsky Well, you yourself00:24:17
know what is known about him,00:24:19
Deputy Berezovsky is our guest Hello,00:24:21
welcome to you, this is the first time in our00:24:23
program And our first meeting on00:24:25
the air I also thought that00:24:28
they told me that a number of media outlets, I do00:24:31
n’t remember which ones,00:24:32
reprinted our conversations or supposedly00:24:35
conversations or or fictions that this is our00:24:37
conversation, I don’t know, I didn’t read it myself and I00:24:40
thought Damn, if they read it, if it00:24:43
satisfies the audience’s interest, that means00:24:45
it’s extremely interesting and Why do00:24:46
n’t we00:24:48
please the readers of these overheard or00:24:51
made-up conversations by saying that we’ll just00:24:53
really talk live on air,00:24:55
by the way, in that conversation we seem to be00:24:59
speaking in common language and with profanity, which is why00:25:03
on air we do00:25:06
n’t at least one of the requirements00:25:09
we will be able to maintain our usual00:25:11
conversations Yes, for the readers of these articles,00:25:14
but on you or on you Well, I assume in this00:25:17
sense not to change00:25:20
the language we speak Nedi to00:25:23
mislead everyone, the rest of the00:25:26
established traditions because we00:25:29
even address correspondents to you,00:25:31
despite the fact that of course in in the00:25:32
editorial room on you, well, it doesn’t matter00:25:34
then I would like to know your assessment of00:25:36
the situation. Every situation has pros and00:25:39
cons, and in my opinion, this situation is a00:25:43
crisis in the00:25:45
Duma, in addition to the obvious disadvantages that00:25:49
they talk about, it has some advantages, so00:25:52
if briefly what are the advantages, I will try00:25:54
abstractly But in the beginning literally abstractly00:25:55
also two words today January 2 And I00:25:59
remember how exactly 2 years ago in an00:26:01
independent newspaper exactly on January 22nd00:26:05
my article was published which was called the00:26:07
genetic transformation of Russia00:26:09
economics politics mentality00:26:10
genetic in this case it00:26:11
meant Revolutionary00:26:13
transformation so I want to say that the00:26:15
elections that took place in the00:26:17
State Duma in00:26:18
1999 are radically different in their influence on the00:26:22
mentality from those that00:26:24
were in the00:26:26
presidential year. It seems to me that the main00:26:28
achievement of these00:26:29
parliamentary elections in 1999 is now,00:26:32
unlike last year, when the00:26:33
communists thought that they they will be able to take00:26:35
revenge later Yes, they lost, but they00:26:37
thought that they would be able to take revenge, but00:26:39
today the communists are well aware that it is00:26:43
unrealistic to take revenge, so of course there was a00:26:45
Temptation. The temptation appeared among the00:26:47
democratic opposition, so to speak, or among the00:26:51
democrats. Get more space,00:26:55
use this space at all risks, but these risks00:26:59
are assessed here. these people are not of high00:27:01
quality, that is, who cannot00:27:03
change the global situation. Now00:27:05
let's see, they really00:27:06
forgot about everything, how it happened.00:27:08
Let's look at the specific result; at the same time,00:27:10
let's not, like Bor00:27:13
Nemtsov, see someone's hand behind everything, or00:27:16
even deliberately absolutely Davey to00:27:19
Nemtsov Nemtsov today Amazingly00:27:23
absolutely today he spoke in Nizhny00:27:26
Novgorod, apparently forbade the00:27:29
distribution of a video recording of his00:27:30
speech because the television companies00:27:33
that were present at the00:27:35
press conference not only did not give00:27:37
the tape to friends and colleagues, but also00:27:39
refused to sell it, which is completely00:27:40
unheard of, and he said that Putin is00:27:44
not an independent person,00:27:46
I quote the situation is controlled by Abramovich00:27:49
Berezovsky, Dyachenko Voloshin and00:27:51
others, so you shouldn’t expect much from Putin00:27:54
with every passing day; everyone has illusions about00:27:56
Putin00:28:03
after a child who00:28:09
touched on those specifically. I saw this00:28:13
message and00:28:14
raster in this case, only one thing is that it00:28:16
turns out that Nemtsov is not being trained. Here I am00:28:19
somewhere, also a year ago, he said that00:28:26
Polora Nikolayevich and a half, so in the sense of00:28:30
his perception of himself, nothing has00:28:31
changed among Nemtsov, he still wants00:28:33
to be the first in charge and this is generally a00:28:36
good desire, but only then you need to00:28:38
tell the truth and not engage in populism00:28:40
Well, this is final divorce such words00:28:42
final divorce from Putin You know,00:28:44
I always said that in politics00:28:47
Never say never and therefore I don’t think00:28:49
that this is a final break with Putin It00:28:52
seems to me that Putin Judging by his00:28:53
comments even recently, he00:28:57
treats Jeni’s rights quite adequately00:28:59
Nemtsov And that’s why this is just a burst of00:29:01
ongoing emotions, but now I would00:29:03
like to really talk about00:29:05
answering the question that00:29:06
you asked me: what are the advantages? Once again,00:29:11
I want to make a reservation, no one00:29:12
planned them, maybe someone00:29:14
did, but what in fact the00:29:16
first thing that happened was that there was definitely a large00:29:19
consolidation00:29:21
of the right, second Primakov was really cut off00:29:25
from the left and one as a symbol of the new left,00:29:30
and finally the00:29:32
third thing is that00:29:35
part of the right, part of the people who00:29:37
supported Putin moved away from him00:29:40
to the right, and part of the people who did not00:29:42
support the left moved towards him,00:29:45
which increases even more with from my point of00:29:47
view, the probability of Putin’s choice is00:29:49
precisely in this in00:29:56
this00:30:01
now further00:30:04
now essentially the main thing has been achieved is00:30:07
what I was sitting here almost at first00:30:10
in this studio and heard what you00:30:12
said that Putin needs to be a00:30:15
normal president in a00:30:18
normal in a democratic state00:30:19
to have a democratic00:30:22
opposition, especially under this00:30:25
Constitution, the WTU is00:30:27
quite00:30:29
on the right, which is absolutely fundamental, which is00:30:31
absolutely fundamental, that now00:30:35
there are real prerequisites for00:30:36
creating such such such an opposition, this,00:30:39
from my point of view, is also very00:30:41
positive, that’s how you don’t00:30:49
swear on the right and they are00:30:51
representing this00:30:56
society00:30:59
what, what appeared, yes, what is00:31:02
the minus, there is a colossal minus in this00:31:04
situation to the society again,00:31:09
was the message given to the society that the00:31:11
communists are still strong, the communists00:31:14
can still head a powerful00:31:15
branch of power and this will be very difficult to00:31:19
explain and the00:31:26
communists themselves Now this is about the00:31:29
Kremlin communists, this is the Kremlin00:31:31
Seleznev Well, you and I, I00:31:33
explained my position before this. I believe that the00:31:35
communists today no longer think about00:31:38
seizing power in the country. They are looking for a00:31:40
new niche and in this sense it is not dangerous.00:31:43
Of course there is also a minus and for00:31:45
unity because, again, it’s difficult to00:31:47
explain, but here, if you allow me, I00:31:49
’ll literally try in one minute and a half to the00:31:51
main problem, which from my00:31:53
point of view has super fundamental00:31:55
knowledge. I’m sitting in the Duma right now, I’m sitting00:31:57
right00:31:58
behind the Apple faction and on the right hand00:32:01
the right-wing00:32:03
opposition is absolutely It’s amazing, I had00:32:06
several conversations with people from that00:32:08
other faction, this is an absolute confusion of the00:32:12
concept of politics and human rights00:32:14
activities, this is where the root of the problems00:32:17
of the right is at one time, Vladimir Lenin00:32:20
wrote an article, the childhood disease of leftism in00:32:24
communism, now, in fact, at the00:32:26
time of writing the article and the childhood disease00:32:29
carried in Russia or in capitalism, whatever00:32:33
you want, the problem is that these two00:32:37
fundamental concepts intersect in a00:32:39
narrow way, in a very narrow way, coincide in a narrow way,00:32:41
in a very narrow way, for example, the most00:32:45
important thing is that politics is deeply rational and00:32:49
human rights activities are deeply00:32:52
moral, this does not mean that politics is not00:32:54
moral, but priorities there are placed differently00:32:57
in the first place, rationality and in00:33:00
second place morality, this is always the case with00:33:03
human rights activists, it is completely different in the00:33:05
foreground in the first place, the first priority00:33:07
is morality and the second only plan is00:33:10
rational behavior. They coincide00:33:12
only in a very narrow but very serious00:33:15
part, which is called conscience but00:33:17
Conscience is already an appeal to00:33:20
oneself, this is the internal matter of everyone,00:33:22
acted according to their conscience or acted not according to their00:33:24
conscience, I’ll come to you00:33:25
about00:33:27
apples and a just cause led to such00:33:29
thoughts, I’ll now give an example, there’s a00:33:32
famous person who00:33:33
calls himself that and00:33:35
a human rights activist calls him that00:33:36
Sergei Kovalev, when I saw00:33:41
the frame here, it was when he stood up and walked down the00:33:43
rows and as he passed me, he told me,00:33:47
Puppeteer, I answered him, That it is better to be, in00:33:50
principle, a puppeteer than a puppet, and what is00:33:52
happening in the Duma, including with the right-wing00:33:55
movement and with the apple it’s absolutely a00:33:58
performance at the command of one, they vote for00:34:02
or00:34:03
against, but I can’t say it again, I don’t00:34:05
blame Kovalev, that is, there’s a00:34:08
man sitting who’s in command like I just00:34:10
wasn’t in the hall, what does it sound like? No, he’s00:34:13
just Ivanenko, for example,00:34:15
he’s just walking he gets up, he doesn’t hide it, he00:34:16
walks and points his finger like this for or like00:34:19
this against the apple quickly00:34:21
orients himself in this way and just00:34:23
as quickly orients himself in the apple in ATP,00:34:25
smart people orient themselves quickly But if00:34:28
you observe that the process is going on in exactly00:34:30
this way How can you stay in00:34:32
this movement If you really00:34:34
consider yourself00:34:36
human rights activists, that’s a different matter. But00:34:39
now I’ll also try to explain this. So00:34:40
I think that my position on Seleznev and00:34:44
I voted for Seleznev’s election was00:34:46
immoral, but I acted according to my conscience.00:34:49
Despite the fact that I consider myself00:34:55
Glu, the choice was very simple or Seleznev00:34:59
or Primakov Why do you think00:35:01
Primakov is less less00:35:04
or let’s say useful? I’m00:35:08
so structured in Russia that we think worse about00:35:11
those we00:35:12
know and better about those we don’t know, we00:35:15
assume that00:35:16
more positive qualities may appear there. Primakova00:35:18
Unfortunately, I managed to find out in a00:35:21
very specific situation when00:35:24
Pryamkov And when I found out that Pryamkov gave the00:35:27
command to organize surveillance00:35:29
of00:35:31
Yavlinsky for Malashenko And then I00:35:33
talked to Malashenko about this fraudulently that Yes,00:35:35
he has such information and when one00:35:38
high-ranking intelligence officer00:35:41
Russian refused to do this and I00:35:45
found out about this refusal to follow refused to00:35:47
follow the motives absolutely Specifically that00:35:49
Yavlinsky is a deputy and therefore he does not have the00:35:51
right he violates the law which of course00:35:52
Primakov It is absolutely incomprehensible00:35:55
Ashen is a person00:35:57
and one team the president is dedicated to therefore00:36:00
be The00:36:01
President's team And when I came to maximo00:36:04
sleepily openly her maximo said Evgeniy00:36:07
Maksimovich this is what you are doing This is00:36:10
absolutely wrong This is another00:36:12
country don’t go back and he look00:36:16
me in the00:36:17
eyes Maris Abramovich said to Yan crush00:36:22
my deceased00:36:25
with this is not so I’m talking here in this00:36:28
studio insofar as this is a00:36:29
private conversation to bring to such a00:36:31
large audience, but I still wanted them to00:36:34
know this too because00:36:39
Primakov remains an important00:36:40
political figure, he could00:36:42
actually become president. We know this,00:36:45
the person I told Evgeniy00:36:47
Maksimovich is Maksimovich, you have no00:36:48
right I don’t know enough to say this, I don’t00:36:51
know well Why so openly Why00:36:54
swear by the memory of a child, especially one00:36:56
who doesn’t exist00:36:57
And then I realized that at that moment,00:37:01
of course, I immediately received a very serious00:37:04
enemy for always who simply00:37:06
hates me, but I don’t regret at all that00:37:08
this happened because that I also00:37:11
learned very well what00:37:12
Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov was like from the inside,00:37:15
so I believed that he was very dangerous for00:37:17
society and therefore all further00:37:20
events related to this00:37:25
defensive activity and according to his00:37:28
policy must be absolutely clearly distinguished00:37:30
from Yavlinsky’s position on Chechnya, you remember00:37:33
from impeachment Do you remember what00:37:34
Yavlinsky said, that he would vote for the00:37:37
impeachment of the president, at the same time he00:37:38
came to the administration and said, you00:37:40
know how many votes I still00:37:41
have to give in order for impeachment00:37:42
not to happen, this is all real, this is all00:37:45
absolutely true, and then from the third side he00:37:48
invites00:37:49
Stepashin accusing continuing to accuse the00:37:51
authorities of what they did in Chechnya and00:37:53
Stepashin about at the same time I’m not talking now I do00:37:55
n’t want to talk about Stepashi this is hypocrisy00:37:58
because it’s clear When00:38:00
they confuse politics and the right to defend00:38:02
activity, hypocrisy ultimately arises, the00:38:04
consequence of which is00:38:07
unconditional populism, which demonstrates00:38:09
in fact, today I feel we00:38:11
will have to resume these conversations00:38:12
because in fact the question of time is very00:38:16
urgent. I would like to00:38:19
say it like00:38:22
this. Yes, no, the00:38:27
problem today in Russia is a00:38:29
political problem inside Chechnya or one of the00:38:31
most important ones. I don’t want to challenge its00:38:33
place. I want find out whether the Duma should00:38:35
deal with such things or not at all.00:38:37
Duma - Is it just lawmaking or00:38:41
such serious problems too? If so,00:38:44
what should it decide what you will00:38:46
vote for, what you will propose as an00:38:48
expert on the00:38:49
problem Yes, I believe that the Duma00:38:52
should certainly deal with all the fundamental00:38:54
For the country, the issues are not only00:38:56
lawmaking, and therefore the direct task of00:38:59
the Duma, from my point of view, is to assess00:39:02
what is happening in00:39:04
Chechnya, here I also want to00:39:07
say an absolutely fundamental thing, the00:39:09
essence of it is that this is00:39:13
ninety-ninety six years and00:39:17
then Before the attack of the Chechens00:39:21
on Dagestan, the mentality of the majority of the00:39:24
Chechen people was structured in the following00:39:25
way: they did not want Independence and00:39:27
considered it achievable, but today00:39:30
the situation is different. I think that the00:39:32
majority still probably wants Independence,00:39:33
but the overwhelming majority. I don’t think00:39:36
I’m much mistaken, I’ll say more than 90%00:39:39
think00:39:40
the independence of Chechnya is unattainable today, therefore the approach00:39:43
should be completely different, I am with you. I00:39:45
categorically disagree that pressing00:39:47
harder is the approach. I just want00:39:49
to say that the problem of the Caucasus for Russia00:39:51
forever there is no final solution to the00:39:53
Caucasian problem. But the solution00:39:55
that will ultimately be00:39:57
achieved, I do not I doubt it can00:39:58
only be one that both00:40:00
Chechen society and Russian society00:40:02
as a whole will accept, there is no other solution there00:40:04
is a problem, so I believe that00:40:07
already a month ago we should have00:40:08
changed priorities radically,00:40:10
giving actions in Dagestan were absolutely00:40:13
reasonable, absolutely necessary, a tough00:40:15
position was necessary I don’t want00:40:17
to talk about how the00:40:18
situation arose in Dagestan when four00:40:20
prime ministers calmly watched how00:40:22
trenches were being dug there. But then the actions were00:40:25
completely accurate from my point of view until a00:40:26
certain moment. I don’t want to00:40:28
be trivial; the people cannot be defeated, the00:40:30
Chechens are the people. That’s the same thing.00:40:33
Sorry, it’s a completely different comparison.00:40:35
I think that you can’t00:40:37
bend them over so that they00:40:38
return, roughly speaking, without honor to the Duma.00:40:42
This is wrong. This is what this government has created. The00:40:44
right-wing mentality in society already00:40:46
exists. Why smear it? This is00:40:49
wrong, we need to look for a reasonable00:40:50
compromise, I don’t want to right now say00:40:52
What is this a separate topic to give all all00:40:54
committees one right to leave yab Well yes00:40:57
ro Rossi00:40:59
Roy Russia is a maximalist country and this is00:41:03
also a hindrance, a00:41:07
month and a half ago he proposed00:41:11
a plan and Chechnya was settled, the essence of it00:41:15
is the two most important elements, the first is00:41:19
Chechnya is an integral part of the Russian00:41:22
Federations We will never compromise our00:41:24
territorial integrity00:41:26
on this historical Vik, so to speak, and00:41:29
this must be recognized by the Chechens;00:41:31
second, there is no military00:41:34
solution, so my proposal was00:41:36
as follows: Yes, we applied forceful00:41:38
pressure, which was necessary, and00:41:40
today we must clearly understand there are no00:41:41
people who think that00:41:43
the independence of Chechnya is achievable, therefore, those who00:41:46
today are shedding blood today are00:41:48
those who are saving their00:41:51
lives,00:41:55
uh, it was necessary to give the opportunity to leave the00:41:58
territory of Russia, there are not many of them, 51 people,00:42:01
and then judge according to the norms of international00:42:03
law, yes, it is necessary to judge, but today00:42:07
you can’t chase ten people00:42:09
realistically 10 a person decides and wastes00:42:11
colossal blood, this is, from my point of00:42:13
view, wrong. Although in general, the position00:42:16
that I have never changed since the00:42:17
moment I was Deputy Secretaries of the00:42:18
Security Council in the seventh year, Chechnya is an00:42:21
integral part of the Russian Federation00:42:23
and always in all negotiations with the Chechens00:42:26
this position of Russia. It seems to me that00:42:30
you need to firmly understand the decision; there will00:42:32
only be one that will satisfy the two00:42:35
sides who are groaning at the sound. And if00:42:37
they don’t leave, I want to, I want to ask a00:42:39
question. Yes, this is very important, but there is a point00:42:41
of view that Chegewara could not live a peaceful00:42:43
life because he is the Leader there are wars00:42:45
Yes, he’s just by self-awareness he’s just a00:42:48
nobody in peaceful life, maybe I’m00:42:51
afraid of offending someone, maybe Chapaev should have swum00:42:53
across this river at00:42:55
that very moment for what Oh he’s a00:42:58
war hero who is Basayev Who needs Basayev00:43:01
Basayev goes to suppose him00:43:03
accepts Jordan, let's assume that there is00:43:07
nothing to assume in six months He will00:43:09
again,00:43:10
hung with explosives and00:43:12
so on, with his gangs come00:43:14
there or see He will definitely come, this is the00:43:17
work of his life, he cannot live Otherwise, I00:43:20
said quite clearly that guarantees must be00:43:21
given that these people00:43:24
will be that their they will be judged according to the laws of00:43:26
international law, I said this quite00:43:28
clearly, therefore this is interference and00:43:30
we are giving a chance to intervene, which means someone00:43:32
must take them out, which means this is the00:43:34
intervention of these international bodies,00:43:36
so there is no simple solution00:43:38
to make it clear, but there is a00:43:40
path to a solution that is feasible I’m00:43:42
only talking about this now, I wouldn’t00:43:44
talk00:43:46
about these people, and if I didn’t know their00:43:49
mentality, I communicated with them, as you00:43:51
know, I met with them. I want to00:43:53
remind you that we must not forget that00:43:54
Basayev was the first deputy00:43:56
chairman of the government of the Chechen00:43:57
Republic when we negotiated with00:43:58
Chechnya Udugov and so on, those who today,00:44:00
uh, those who are actually engaged in00:44:03
terrorism today, I dare to assure you, no, this is not00:44:06
Chagi RA, neither one nor the other. That is why00:44:10
I proposed such a solution to00:44:12
reduce the number of human casualties, which00:44:14
absolutely fundamentally does not create a00:44:16
strategic opportunity to return00:44:18
again to such methods of war. So, to00:44:20
summarize, Chechnya is an integral part of the00:44:22
Russian Federation, however, on which00:44:24
all laws are implemented, all laws and the00:44:26
Power of the Russian Federation, but 1000:44:28
people 10 irreconcilable 10 bandits on00:44:32
whom there is reason to judge here and00:44:34
there is reason to believe that it will be applied to them the00:44:36
most severe punishment00:44:39
should be issued under international00:44:41
guarantees so that they are tried not in00:44:44
Russia, what will they do and stop00:44:46
defending themselves? So I propose because00:44:50
I think I know their mentality00:44:51
well enough and I think that they can do it, and what00:44:54
the reaction in the Kremlin is interesting Well, you00:44:56
know the reaction, I just said this a00:44:57
month and a half ago,00:44:59
there was no reaction, you know that the action00:45:01
is developing in the same direction as a00:45:02
month and a half ago, I think that the00:45:05
negotiations took place in ninety-seven00:45:07
and then there was Dagestan and I will allow myself00:45:10
agree that only continuous,00:45:13
continuous, to one degree or another, strong00:45:16
armed pressure on the Chechens in00:45:18
this case leads to positive00:45:21
results, I absolutely do not deny this,00:45:23
I’m just saying that only in this way a00:45:26
solution will not be achieved,00:45:28
so I want to tell you.00:45:29
Today we we know that one of our00:45:32
generals is there. Yes, but this has00:45:35
not yet been confirmed, but00:45:38
another00:45:41
general who knows very well what00:45:44
Chechnya is, what the Caucasus is, he simply00:45:46
predicted the same and I am sure that even00:45:49
if we Russia Chechens From Grozny00:45:51
the war will not stop, it will just take a00:45:53
different form Well, I honestly don’t00:45:56
know, even I see that our military is00:45:59
proud to say that apparently the general00:46:01
died. I think it would be much better00:46:05
if he was captured, we would have00:46:06
Hope in general human life is an00:46:08
absolute absolute category, therefore, it would be00:46:11
better if he were in captivity and we could00:46:12
free him. Although it’s probably better in military00:46:15
logic. Otherwise, I, too, just the00:46:17
last remark, in general, I think that the00:46:19
intelligence and quality of power is determined by a00:46:22
very important criterion: it is able to00:46:23
resolve issues by force and00:46:26
resolve issues negotiations, in this case,00:46:29
power is not denied, but the final00:46:31
decision will still be political.00:46:33
Yes, but I can also say that the00:46:37
beast can be convinced by the power of a homo00:46:42
sapiens, the beast can be convinced with reason, the00:46:45
appropriate appropriate measures, well,00:46:47
you know, I am, you know, a categorical00:46:49
opponent of speaking in00:46:50
language beast devil e satan Yuri00:46:53
Mikhailovich speaks in this language this is00:46:55
also mysticism Mystic view Mystic00:46:59
so I wouldn’t want to switch to this language00:47:00
well thank you thank you for00:47:02
participating in our program I suppose as00:47:04
soon as the audience’s interest00:47:05
arises again and they begin to00:47:07
interpret this again our negotiations00:47:10
and so on we will make them00:47:12
open and public again because in my00:47:14
opinion this is very interesting thank you very much00:47:17
for the invitation thank you message00:47:19
from Chechnya other messages from Chechnya fighting in00:47:21
Grozny continues Russian troops00:47:23
control a third of the city and another00:47:26
important message army00:47:28
colonel general Vyacheslav Tikhomirov00:47:31
was appointed commander-in-chief of the internal troops, the arrival of an00:47:33
army general in the internal troops00:47:35
of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be able, according to the plans of those who, according to the00:47:39
Kremlin’s plan, since the appointment was made by Putin,00:47:41
to improve coordination between the army and the00:47:44
troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, such a personnel decision is an00:47:46
obvious response to heavy losses in the00:47:48
internal troops when they tried to00:47:50
take Grozny in the middle January, without00:47:52
army support, I give the floor to Kosi00:47:56
Polon and Alexander Levsky, who00:47:59
returned from the Mountain region on the border of00:48:01
Russia with00:48:03
Georgia, a unit of the group under the00:48:05
command of General Ashurov occupied00:48:07
this height a week ago, from here the00:48:08
intersection of roads from00:48:10
Ingushetia, Shatoi and Grozny leading to00:48:12
Georgia, from where the militants received00:48:14
reinforcements and weapons are now on00:48:17
par with a fierce struggle for the00:48:19
capital of Chechnya, here in the mountains the militants are00:48:21
preparing fortified base camps for themselves,00:48:24
this howl occupied the heights earlier than00:48:27
the enemy expected, the military They say00:48:29
that in the00:48:31
fortification defense, the frequent00:48:34
fogs at these heights and the abundance of caves00:48:36
create ideal conditions for00:48:37
guerrilla warfare. no less, here in the00:48:39
southern direction the troops are advancing into the00:48:41
mountains without encountering particularly strong00:48:43
resistance, the officers joke that the situation00:48:45
is reminiscent of Suvorov’s Crossing of the Alps,00:48:47
the main enemy is cold and steep slopes, the00:48:50
column path that00:48:51
engineering units are laying for the troops passes along00:48:53
mountain ramparts along the southern border with00:48:55
elevation differences of one and a half up to 3,000 m00:48:58
for these soldiers, the war for 2 months has already00:49:00
turned into daily00:49:01
road construction work, the goal00:49:03
that they define is simply to00:49:05
block their access, make a road00:49:07
to completely squeeze them and00:49:09
finish them off to the end, according to the commander of the00:49:11
united group Viktor00:49:12
Kazantsev, now with artillery reaching00:49:14
these heights The main00:49:16
passage to Georgia has already been blocked. And from February 1, the border00:49:18
will be closed completely, so the00:49:20
mountain operation is approaching the final00:49:22
phase; three main mountain regions have been liberated;00:49:27
two remain, itum Kalinsky and Shatoisky, which will00:49:30
also be liberated in the near future00:49:33
and only small00:49:36
scattered ban formations will remain00:49:39
run jump through holes that00:49:41
will also be destroyed today, the00:49:42
command of the united group00:49:44
for the first time in the entire company is ready00:49:46
to outline the possible timing of the completion of the00:49:48
military operation for this, according to00:49:50
Viktor Kazantsev, all that remains is to take00:49:51
Grozny, strengthen the foothill areas and00:49:53
destroy the gangster formations in the Vedensky00:49:56
region Well, I don’t like to make predictions, but00:50:00
I I think00:50:03
during the month of February we will resolve this issue,00:50:06
but for now the operation continues Rasim00:50:09
poloskin Alexander Letichevsky Alexey00:50:10
Solovyov ORT00:50:12
Chechnya after a short break we will00:50:15
continue the Chechen topic and also00:50:16
tell you about how the00:50:18
investigation into the role of Yuri Luzhkov in the00:50:21
murder of American businessman Paul00:50:23
Tatum is progressing00:50:28
We are returning to the Chechen topic There is no00:50:29
exact information about the fate of General Malafeev,00:50:31
including Unfortunately, there is no00:50:33
confirmation that he is alive today, the00:50:35
commander of the joint group,00:50:37
General Kazantsev, said that00:50:40
today he knows little about the general00:50:44
in relation to the head of the00:50:47
combat00:50:48
training department of the00:50:52
army. I want to say one thing: At first,00:50:54
he00:50:57
acted like a00:50:59
hero, and when the assault00:51:04
group of internal troops hesitated, he00:51:09
led a small00:51:13
group with him by personal example. To ensure the action of the main00:51:16
group, as00:51:20
eyewitnesses report, while00:51:23
working in the building, militants00:51:27
appeared from the flanks of the building;00:51:30
he was wounded in the00:51:33
head;00:51:37
at the same time, the bandits00:51:41
inflicted fire damage with a00:51:45
grenade launcher00:51:47
and00:51:49
mortar and where the00:52:04
General’s group was located. Unfortunately,00:52:12
the wall collapsed. For a day and a half, the00:52:17
internal troops could not approach,00:52:20
but with the measures taken, yesterday00:52:23
they took possession of this building and now excavations are underway;00:52:27
today by lunchtime it will be completely00:52:30
clear00:52:32
Until00:52:39
the body is found, I cannot00:52:41
say to make any benefits definitively, but00:52:45
actions were taken, I once again want to emphasize the00:52:47
heroic confirmation that no prisoners were captured00:52:54
and00:52:58
this is hardly00:52:59
plausible, my colleagues Anton00:53:01
Stepanenko and Vladimir Kozin spent 200:53:03
weeks at the front under the restrictions, only00:53:06
today the weather allowed them to fly to00:53:08
Makhachkala to transmit their report to00:53:11
Moscow, this is the unofficial capital mountainous00:53:14
Chechnya and the homeland of Shamil Basayev, the village00:53:16
was introduced in the last Chechen war, it was00:53:19
taken with fighting, now a detachment of00:53:21
Marines and internal troops came here00:53:23
without a single shot,00:53:26
it became clear that for the sailors this was a solemn day when,00:53:28
before entering the village, the St.00:53:30
Andrew's flag was tied to the antenna of one of the armored vehicles00:53:32
have not done this until now Although the marines of the00:53:35
Northern Fleet and the Caspian Sea in Chechnya from00:53:37
the very beginning of this company this is one of00:53:39
the areas of Vedeno, the arrival of the military is already waiting for00:53:42
the elders to hand you the Russian flag and00:53:46
so that from this00:53:49
day on we somehow begin to build our new00:53:53
life life your life thank you00:53:56
God forbid that it be so for fellow villagers00:53:59
But the man chose his own road but oh the00:54:02
road I think people don’t like00:54:06
after these words on the bus station building00:54:08
the leader and Chechen flags a resident of Vedeno is00:54:11
Chechen and a Russian soldier the words of the00:54:14
military about the merciless fight against bandits00:54:16
are greeted restrained and silent00:54:18
approval of those gathered Our troops00:54:21
will make every effort to ensure00:54:24
that the00:54:25
bastards who are still walking and hiding in the00:54:28
gorge today you will see00:54:31
we hoisted our two Banners so00:54:37
that we work together with you to00:54:41
restore constitutional order00:54:44
the elders assure the military that there00:54:46
are no militants in the village the local militias convinced them00:54:48
don’t put in an air strike,00:54:50
artillery and yay, fight in the mountains00:54:56
together with the federal forces there will be a00:54:59
self-defense detachment, maybe that war, all these00:55:01
guys fought this war, but they’re not00:55:03
fighting Maybe I also fought in that war,00:55:05
but I’m not fighting in this war00:55:08
because this war is unnecessary Leach, the weapons of the00:55:11
militias of today are legalized00:55:13
as they appeared, the military diplomatically00:55:16
do not ask for the numbers of machine guns,00:55:17
grenade launchers and machine guns00:55:24
about what I want to00:55:26
wish that we are leaving you now.00:55:32
Further along others to the area towards Ale00:55:35
Roy higher and further so that we do not00:55:38
return here to you again, everything is in your hands00:55:41
What a new arrival of troops will mean for Vedeno,00:55:42
residents understand perfectly well00:55:44
without explanation this is the outskirts of Vedeno,00:55:47
a few minutes ago00:55:49
a cleanup began here, representatives of the village managed to00:55:51
convince the internal troops to carry it out according to the00:55:52
soft option, however, the naval forces have been00:55:55
blockading the village for more than 10 days, they00:55:58
doubt it the effectiveness of this00:55:59
event, the military is confident that some of the00:56:02
militants did not leave Vedeno.00:56:04
They are convinced every day when00:56:06
they storm the surrounding hills, the militants00:56:08
avoid direct clashes and as00:56:11
soon as they realize that they are discovered they try to00:56:13
leave in principle here. It is impossible00:56:15
to determine whether he is a militant or not. He00:56:16
put the weapon on the village adj. he's a00:56:23
[ __ ], will he succeed in talking with local00:56:26
residents? The Marines have already passed along the00:56:28
outskirts of Vedeno, but this is the first time they are traveling along this route00:56:30
together with our film crew.00:56:32
Each soldier in an armored personnel carrier is00:56:35
watching his section of the street.00:56:42
case, the artillery has00:56:44
already taken aim at several targets in the00:56:46
village, including the house of Shamil Basayev,00:56:49
it is clearly visible from the Marine00:56:50
Corps camp on the edge; the clearing of the00:56:53
village is taking place without incident;00:56:55
it decides that all the heights around Vedeno were00:56:58
taken with fighting by the00:56:59
sailors; since this war00:57:03
they have been00:57:04
strengthening since the time they actually had preparations00:57:07
before the troops arrived, that’s why they00:57:10
have positions. It’s still not very good00:57:13
positions they have even before strengthening.00:57:15
Therefore, they have to support00:57:17
artillery after00:57:23
that in the morning their group was ahead of the00:57:26
militants by only 10 minutes they also00:57:29
climbed the hill, only on the other00:57:31
slope they began to gain a foothold, at this time00:57:33
about a hundred spirit people appeared,00:57:38
at first they tried to identify ours, not00:57:41
ours, they had doubts, they launched a rocket, they began to00:57:44
fire at us with their00:57:46
weapons, they opened fire in response from one spirit, they00:57:51
definitely saw that the sniper races began to00:57:55
retreat no less worried why the00:57:57
militants here on the front line00:57:59
delivered to the military the visit of the head of the Parliamentary00:58:00
Assembly of the Council of Europe to the North00:58:02
Caucasus, the troops know that they demand from Russia to00:58:04
stop hostilities in00:58:06
Chechnya and begin negotiations, they do00:58:08
n’t understand these demands here and want to00:58:11
believe that an order to stop will not come from Moscow.00:58:12
Why should we00:58:15
listening to ourselves at home that someone will00:58:17
dictate to us We are at home, why would00:58:20
someone00:58:22
dictate to me how to live at home? I didn’t00:58:25
come to a foreign00:58:27
land. So I think the00:58:30
Lords of the West are trying in vain. There is no00:58:33
need for any negotiations00:58:35
now again negotiations will take place through 200:58:39
years There they will again prepare00:58:41
guys like me, young again, they will00:58:44
end up here if you do this, do it to the end,00:58:46
one of the conclusions that the military has already made00:58:48
during this company is that the00:58:51
more militants will be destroyed on00:58:53
the front line00:58:55
in already cleared wounds Anton00:58:57
Stepanenko Vladimir Kozin urt Vedeno00:59:04
Chechnya now a public opinion fund poll00:59:06
conducted a survey of00:59:08
Russian citizens last weekend question If the00:59:11
presidential elections in Russia were held this00:59:12
Sunday, who would you00:59:15
vote for in first place Vladimir00:59:17
Putin his rating continues to grow 57% of00:59:21
respondents vote for Putin and00:59:25
55% supported of those who answered this is a00:59:28
confident Victory in the first round in second00:59:31
place Gennady Zyuganov 14% now and 13% a00:59:36
week ago third place is taken by00:59:40
Evgeny Primakov for him 6% of respondents00:59:43
last week this was the00:59:47
top three But this is what they look like where they00:59:53
stood for him was 3%00:59:56
Grigory Yavlinsky, who answered in fifth place,00:59:59
he retained his 3% of support, the01:00:03
unchanged position is occupied by Sergei01:00:05
Kiriyenko and Yuri Lushkov, they share sixth01:00:08
and seventh places with two percent both01:00:10
this week and last week. Sergei01:00:23
Shaigumarov, the01:00:26
ratings of politicians have not yet been reflected in01:00:28
their political maneuvers this week. week01:00:30
now this weekend there is a survey01:00:32
that we will publish in the next01:00:34
program a survey of people to some extent01:00:36
I hope already aware of the actions of their01:00:39
chosen ones further promised01:00:44
[music]01:00:53
topic01:00:56
Yuri Lushkov is evading01:00:57
responsibility in the case of the murder of Paul01:00:59
Tuma Yuri Lushkov is hiding he is hiding01:01:02
He he is afraid and he knows better than any of us01:01:05
what exactly he is afraid of and he01:01:08
knows better than any of us why he should be01:01:13
afraid. The District Court of Arizona01:01:15
cannot yet begin a specific01:01:17
consideration of the01:01:23
legal process; For01:01:32
almost a month and a half, the court has not been able01:01:34
to receive testimony or statements made in any01:01:37
form by Moscow Mayor Yuri01:01:39
Luzhkov, representatives of the Moscow01:01:41
law firm that cooperates01:01:44
with the law firm Kimer and Lavelle01:01:47
report that Yuri Lushkov and his01:01:49
proxies are in every possible way avoiding serving them with an01:01:52
order to appear in court or01:01:56
testify We hope that the Russian01:01:58
government, after familiarizing itself with01:02:00
all the details of the claim, will at least not01:02:02
allow Yuri Luzhkov to show such01:02:05
demonstrative disrespect for the court. I am01:02:07
not an Expert in Russian Civil01:02:09
Law. But as far as I know, it is not very01:02:11
different from the American one, so01:02:14
contempt of court is both in the USA and in Russia01:02:16
should be perceived equally. Taking advantage of the pause that01:02:19
arose through no fault of theirs, lawyers01:02:22
are trying to collect as much01:02:23
testimony as possible from American01:02:26
witnesses. It is no secret that in the01:02:28
circumstances under which the01:02:30
murder of Paul Tuma was committed and immediately01:02:32
after it, many people could not, for01:02:35
obvious reasons, share what they had01:02:38
information Now they agree to talk01:02:41
and this gives us the opportunity to collect those01:02:43
missing facts that create a complete01:02:46
picture of everything that happened the other day,01:02:49
lawyers must receive01:02:51
video footage from Moscow which, as evidence, can be01:02:55
accepted by the Arizona01:02:58
court after viewing the video recording.01:03:00
The district judge can make a private01:03:03
ruling on the deadline for serving01:03:06
the defendants with orders court, this period01:03:09
usually does not exceed 60 days if the01:03:12
two-month trial turns out to be fruitless and01:03:15
the service of court orders still01:03:17
remains a legal impossibility01:03:20
District Judge01:03:23
Priest01:03:31
yoke of evasion from participation in the01:03:34
trial a well-known01:03:36
law firm in Arizona or is confident that their claim to the01:03:40
Moscow authorities is justified They01:03:42
hope that in Soon the District01:03:45
Court of Arizona will begin to consider01:03:47
this lawsuit and Vert01:03:53
is trying to serve subpoenas on the01:03:56
defendants in the case of the murder of Paul Tuma01:03:58
here in Moscow. Here's what he says about01:04:01
his01:04:02
attempts. We have the first three defendants -01:04:05
Yuri Mikhailovich Lushkov and his wife.01:04:08
lawyer Ms. Krylova in the building of the01:04:10
Moscow City Court refused to serve the01:04:12
summons, this was recorded on a01:04:14
video camera and according to American01:04:16
law, the01:04:19
second defendant is considered to be the01:04:21
department of the state of01:04:24
Moscow, today this summons was handed over01:04:27
to the department and the third defendant is a01:04:29
witness in the case, Umar Alievich Zhabrailov,01:04:32
he expressed his01:04:34
consent to accept the summons and also in the01:04:38
Slavyanskaya hotel itself answer the01:04:40
questions posed by the law office these01:04:42
questions are currently being translated01:04:45
this week one01:04:46
significant event took place01:04:50
famous from Coma01:04:53
Rem became famous for lying to the nation about01:04:56
Yeltsin’s excellent health, he01:04:58
lied so convincingly that when01:05:01
he wanted to change the owner, he was with01:05:03
open arms received from01:05:05
Luzhkov, however, let's take it in01:05:08
order, the01:05:09
president01:05:13
devotes several hours every day to working with documents; they are01:05:17
carefully studied,01:05:19
verified, the president requests01:05:21
comments, contacts by phone the01:05:23
people who prepared certain01:05:25
documents. That is, it works, but the only thing is01:05:31
that the president's handshake is very01:05:36
really firm and quite01:05:38
tough. I can also confirm this. At01:05:40
present, the01:05:41
president’s ability to work is limited; it is limited by the01:05:44
process of careful preparation for the01:05:48
operation; however, every day a sufficient package01:05:51
is sent from the Kremlin to the president; a01:05:53
folder contains from 20 to01:05:56
7001:05:58
documents; working with them takes01:06:01
Boris Nikolayevich from 30 to 2 minutes since01:06:05
half an hour hemodynamic indicators are01:06:09
stable blood pressure01:06:12
within 110 to 70 and 120 to 80 pulse 8001:06:19
beats per minute temperature01:06:23
37.801:06:24
we don’t Noni for one word that we01:06:26
uttered from this podium then Yamsky01:06:29
began to criticize the Kremlin and defend01:06:31
Luzhkov I would not like to devote01:06:34
too much time to attacks on the Kremlin01:06:35
because it was recently, everyone remembers, I01:06:37
just want to remind you of one phrase01:06:39
said by Izhemsky to my colleague Arina01:06:43
Sharapova. I also follow my principles01:06:46
and I believe that if I didn’t have01:06:48
principles, I would still be in the Kremlin.01:06:51
However, then in September last year, when01:06:56
our hero uttered this historical phrase01:06:58
in Arina Sharapova’s program on01:07:00
T6 at the very end of October, I would like to01:07:27
draw your01:07:30
attention to the fact that since this double01:07:32
traitor has been accepted in the Kremlin, this01:07:34
characterizes the Kremlin administration01:07:36
as01:07:42
unprincipled sympathy For Yuri Luzhkov,01:07:45
the rats are fleeing the ship Yuri01:07:52
Mikhailovich twice And our relationship with01:07:56
Luzhkov has been distinguished by constancy for 501:07:58
years in a row, a01:08:00
stunning decision was made from the Moscow City Court01:08:02
this week The Moscow City Court did not satisfy01:08:05
Yuri Luzhkov’s demands to review the01:08:07
Negotiation of the Ostankino court in the search for01:08:10
Luzhkov against me and I will remind you for the damage01:08:13
caused moral suffering Lushkov01:08:15
intended to sue me for 450 million01:08:17
rubles, which at that time was approximately 1801:08:20
million dollars Lushkov said then that this is01:08:23
how much, namely 450 million rubles,01:08:26
his dignity as a mayor politician is worth,01:08:29
and so on and so forth. The Ostankino court01:08:32
sentenced the entire mayor with his dignity about the01:08:34
seal political reputation and so01:08:37
on, according to a court decision, it is worth only01:08:39
100,000 rubles and I was forced to01:08:41
pay him this amount Lushkov was offended and01:08:43
filed an appeal And I, too, wanted01:08:47
not to pay at all and Lushkov demanded that01:08:49
he be awarded more money and so01:08:51
the Moscow City Court passed a verdict, it was01:08:54
confirmed by the01:08:58
judicial authorities The board determined the01:09:01
decision of the Ostankino intermunicipal01:09:04
court of Moscow dated December 3 of this year01:09:07
to leave unchanged the constitutional01:09:09
foreheads of the representatives of Lukov Yuri01:09:11
Mikhailovich and present Dorenko Sergei01:09:15
Leonidovich without01:09:16
satisfaction, thus the court of the External Economic Commission under01:09:19
Samon at01:09:22
4 costs in connection with the decision of the01:09:25
Moscow City Court, I will once again illustrate my01:09:27
point simple calculations that each01:09:30
of you can repeat on a piece of paper, you and01:09:32
I are ordinary people, we usually don’t measure each01:09:35
other in rubles. You will never tell01:09:37
about a person about a person. Well, they01:09:39
ask you what kind of person he is, you won’t tell him. Well,01:09:41
one with the value of rubles, so01:09:43
usually 450 million you say, well,01:09:47
long, thin, or a small, plump,01:09:49
bald, short one. That is, you01:09:51
usually characterize a person not in01:09:53
rubles, but in terms of length and01:09:56
weight, here Lushkov, he says that for everything01:10:00
that was good in NM plus dignity,01:10:02
you have to pay 450 million rubles, but the court01:10:06
says01:10:07
100,000 divided one thing after another, therefore,01:10:10
Lushkov values himself at01:10:12
4500 times more expensive than what he actually costs. Now01:10:16
let’s take Luzhkov and try to01:10:18
characterize him in ordinary terms,01:10:20
let’s assume that Lushkov says that he is01:10:22
150 centimeters tall or 1.5 mra, well,01:10:26
he says that he is 1 m tall. Well God,01:10:28
we won’t argue with him, this is01:10:30
self-esteem, and the court says that Luzhkov’s self-esteem is01:10:33
inflated by 4,500 times, which means that01:10:37
his height is 4,500 times01:10:41
less than 150 cm, divided by01:10:45
4,500, it turns out that Luzhkov’s height, according to the01:10:48
court decision, is only 0 in two instances01:10:51
,301:10:57
to be precise, I will say that the court did01:10:59
not say anything about the thumbnail, but I believe that01:11:01
this comparison is appropriate according to the court's decision,01:11:04
each of you can count the lushkov, it01:11:07
turns out to be 840 times smaller than the thumbnail and01:11:11
I didn’t come up with this It’s like a01:11:13
legally01:11:21
verified lobe All to you01:11:29
[music ]01:11:34
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Интервью Бориса Березовского Сергею Доренко, 22.01.2000
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