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Hello everyone, this is the effects program in

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which we talk about the events of the

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past US case from the point of view of

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political science, political technology and

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law, and today with us on the air is

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a political consultant, director of a

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consulting agency and author of a telegram channel for a

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website company.

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Hello everyone, Ian Dobry evening Igor

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hello

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also with us

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Hello everyone I'll immediately apologize in advance

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If suddenly something goes wrong on my side

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Because I'm on the road, strictly

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speaking via the mobile Internet from a

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mobile phone in the car So

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if suddenly I disconnect or you

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stop hearing me there I I don’t know

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If

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with my hands I understand that there is some kind of problem, I

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apologize to everyone in advance

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Let’s hope that everything will be

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fine with Igor’s connection Well, I’m also with you, a

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political scientist, author of the Telegram channel One Big

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Union, Yan Veselov Today we will discuss the

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problem with migrants in New York

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let's talk about one unusual referendum

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in the Ogara state, let's talk about Anna

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Netrebko's lawsuit against the New York metropolitan

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number and the exchange of prisoners between the

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United States and Iran. But before we start

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discussing a couple of small

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digressions, firstly, I want to express

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support for the living nail in connection with the

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loss the old name of the Echo of Moscow

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which those are trying to appropriate to themselves is

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the structure.

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Secondly, as you may have noticed in this

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issue, we suddenly do not have

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Hunter Biden, but not through the President of the

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United States, he will definitely return to us

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next week, we will definitely talk about him.

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And thirdly, don’t forget

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to put like the video leave

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comments questions

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negative positive how do you like

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we all read we try to answer this is

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very important for us let's

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start with New York recently the mayor of the city of

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Erica Dams said that

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New York is suffering from a migration

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crisis and called on the Federal authorities to

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intervene somehow to help them Pavel can you

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tell us in more detail about the scale of

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the problem and what Adams wants the

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administration?

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Yes, I thank you very much. I’ll probably

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note here that probably the migration crisis

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is one of the largest in recent

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times, and there are previous ones that are

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still ongoing on the southern borders. A

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little background is generally

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more than Seven million. migrants and

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refugees now push Venezuela out of the 25

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million population that is generally

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there, these are huge numbers, that is, a

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large wave from Latin America

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is rushing straight to North America and here

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you need to understand that what is happening to

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New York is like the consequences of such a

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global program that at one

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time Biden announced, he then said that

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approximately 24 thousand Venezuelans

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have the right to

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come to the United States of America under the humanitarian program, the

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same program, as far as I understand,

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is valid for refugees from Ukraine, in

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my opinion there are restrictions for one

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or 2 years and now this program

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she turns a little, let’s say this

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Well, if you allow me to sideways the

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Biden administration and sideways the administration of

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New York Mayor Eric Adams, here I must

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add that, in my opinion, 2 years ago

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the Republicans asked for a state of

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emergency on the southern border of the United States, explaining

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this precisely because there is a large exit there

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the flow of Venezuelan immigrants

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Biden then refused, which is noteworthy

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this time Eric Adams that Mr.

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Biden I ask you to maintain a

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state of emergency in our state and, moreover,

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help financially or at least

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allow all new arrivals to obtain the

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right to work so that they can go somewhere

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Bein refused him a job And after

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that, the democratic mayor of Erikadam

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said that Bein left Our city, as it were,

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alone with itself and with its

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problems in general, of course, I don’t want to

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directly shout that this is a crisis, everything

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there, the city has been destroyed, we never

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see new things again. in York, films will not be shot there,

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and so on. But here you need to understand

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that these are probably the consequences of

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global processes that are taking place

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in Latin America and the desire of the

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United States to become a bastion of all its

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arriving migrants who generally

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exist in the world. And there are also

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legal problems what it is is that

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But those who arrived,

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despite the fact that no matter how they pass through,

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not some of them go through

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migration programs, and not everyone has the right to

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work, that is, they do not have a

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work permit, they are essentially in shelters

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and Erikadams said that on average

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they spent 4 billion dollars on

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this flow that does not stop, but in the

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next 3 years they will have to spend

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12 billion and due to the fact that the city does not have

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such funds, they will most likely

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have to pay the citizens of

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New York themselves, that is residents of New York and

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here Of course, this can be said to be a

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global social conflict.

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Why Because Well, in fact, there is a

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division there for every New Yorker, this is a

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large amount, and moreover, it seems to have

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essentially fallen out of the

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blue here here we are, trying to

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say so, uh, to walk between the fires, on the

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one hand, to realize his

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election promises. He said that he would

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solve the issue of yellowers there, solve the issue of

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street crime and solve the issue of

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migration, which had already begun

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when he was elected, but on the other hand, it’s all

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the same after all, I am a supporter of the

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democratic parties and let’s

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say this support for migrants is, well,

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probably one of the main one of the

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main postulates of the Democrats and in general the

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Republicans, just as it

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seems to me, so to generalize it

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is shared in the sense that any

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illegal migration

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is considered by the Republicans what a big negative, what a

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big minus for the country, the Democrats look

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at this as the only opportunity for

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people who are fleeing from their troubles,

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for example the same thing in authoritarian

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Venezuela, to any other country in order to

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escape. Naturally, they are fleeing the

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United States of America, now there are approximately 108,000 people

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living in shelters and in general in shelters

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emigrants, or rather

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108,000 people, of which 57,000 are emigrants,

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and in the near future, most likely, we will have to

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use either additional

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shelters or look for some

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additional premises; moreover, as far

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as I remember, there was also a

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lawsuit, uh, when some of the migrants were expelled from

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these shelters And they said that Well you

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will have to be on the street and

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human rights organizations They won

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this Lawsuit and as a result, the migrants returned to

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these shelters where they

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were before, so now there are

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currently 57,000 migrants in the

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city and they are in the status of

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homeless people at the moment at the moment

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at the moment August, ah, and

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the governor of the state, in my opinion, has already asked for 1

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billion dollars to come out of the

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budget in order to help the city, but

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this money will not be enough so that,

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again, 12 billion must be allocated over the next 3 years.

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And the question is, what will

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the mayor do now? what he will do at

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the moment, President Biden refused him

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Yes, thank you very much Pavel, this also

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overlaps with the problem of homeless people in

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New York, which Adams also promised

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to solve and, in fact, this is a program for

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expanding shelters so that

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all homeless people can be accommodated there.

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But it overlapped with that that now

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I have to share my place with

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illegal migrants nearby, too,

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as far as I remember, I blamed the authorities in Texas,

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Florida for bringing

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migrants to New York, there is no way to

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influence this and I have to do something about it

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with the administration itself,

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lately there have been quite a few

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tense relations not only in terms of

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immigration because it’s still such a

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relatively conservative democrat, well,

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by typical standards,

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and at the same time, I would say that Adams is

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not unique here recently, for example,

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voices itching the sea Healy led his

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state to a state of emergency from half of

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migrants and also demanded to be soldered off

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some kind of help, a similar statement was made by the

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governor of New York, California or

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Foreign Affairs, but there was no

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such negativity, but more, but still like

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some kind of request for help, and it seems to me that

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this is all

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connected, of course, with the fact that the parties were

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never able to over the last 20 years, to conclude

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some kind of compromise on what to do if the

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immigration legislation of the United States

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Despite the fact that such attempts were made

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repeatedly and more, and then under Obama,

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But they all ultimately failed,

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and here, of course, it helps that

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the parties themselves ideologically increasingly

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diverge, so the questions are Republicans the

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parties are becoming more and more anti-

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migrant, the Democrats are rather the opposite and,

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accordingly, the perception of both parties

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by opponents is also, I would say,

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radicalizing. That is, for the Democrats from the

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publication, they are

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probably even xenophobic in

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some sense, for the Republicans the

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Democrats are like this, the

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Great White Replacement often promoted them

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population that they say the Democrats

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want to replace the white population with people of color

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so that they vote for them in order to

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somehow control them, but there is such a

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peculiar Conspiracy Theory So,

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unfortunately, the parties somehow cannot

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find some kind of compromise. Although it

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seems to me that a

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compromise is possible in principle Well,

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as I personally see it, this is some kind of

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tightening of the southern border, that is,

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in order to restrain the flow of

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illegal migration anyway, but

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it is obvious that some kind of amnesty is needed for

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migrants who have already been in the country for a

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particularly long time because but

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this is a very strange situation when you are

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real Millions of people are in the country

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without any legal

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status. At the same time, they live, work, give

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birth to children, study there to get a

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driver’s license, but at the same time,

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according to the laws, there is no such thing, and at the same time, we

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probably need to make the

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immigration system more honest so that

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everything is easier for people - some kind of legal

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status in America can be obtained not

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only for highly qualified

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specialists of all kinds of talents, but also for

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people of average qualification with several

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qualifications, because the American

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labor market inevitably needs these people anyway.

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Igor, do you want to add something to this topic?

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Yes, I’ll say so what do we need to understand here, first of all,

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that some of these people

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who are now in New York, it’s

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like in Yan they mentioned this text of who

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was brought from Texas on buses and as if

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here in this regard, no

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matter what inhumane experiment this was,

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less the governor of Texas so clearly

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showed that look, we are

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suffering from an influx of migrants. But

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now I’ll transfer migrants to

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your democratic New York and you

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look how we suffer. And in this

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regard, from the point of view of PR, how Well,

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of course, his PR was a success and as if

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to the point where, as Pavel said, it

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now turns out that the mayor of New York is

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opposing the

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president. Although they are both from the same party.

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But here, too, it is necessary to clarify that it is not

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that all these people are illegal

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immigrants among them. Of course, there are

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illegal immigrants, but

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as soon as the person declares that

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he is asking for political asylum, the date he

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becomes a legal migrant and he

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even has the right to work; another

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question is that he will be given the right to work

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there in a few months

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5-6-7 again depends on how the

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American migration service works and

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because officially, as far as I know,

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it’s five months. But it’s like you

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have to wait and then you can submit an

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application and it seems like it should be

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considered for another month or two, but in

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practice there are big delays and it’s

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these people who are

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unable to work they can’t get a

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social security number and in the end

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you get all these problems

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that are homeless and those who ca

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n’t even work. But the most

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important thing is that even when a person

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becomes eligible for grants, he submitted

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documents, everything is legal, his application

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will be considered a few more years

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5-6-7 years and it turns out that here is a person

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He is in such an incomprehensible status

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And I absolutely agree with Ian that no

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one is solving this problem. It seems to me that the

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Republicans will solve it. Now there is really

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no point because they understand that the

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Democrats will not do it so in order to protect the

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Southern states and there, well, they won’t

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make any decision to

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abruptly cut off this migration at the same

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time, but it turns out that now the Federal government

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is responsible for, uh, migration issues in general,

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which means

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the president is responsible, that is, the Democrats, therefore

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the situation from the point of view of possible

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criticism, the Republicans are satisfied with there being

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some individual things. That is, for example,

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Senator Vance a-a jd Vans who

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wrote the famous book

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Hill Bill Elegies and he, for example,

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recently proposed

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introducing a new procedure for an ordinary tourist visa,

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he said that that many people

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come on a tourist visa to the USA and

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then remain here, no matter there, in a

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legal illegal status or ask for

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political asylum or simply

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miss the deadline for leaving the country and

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remain illegal migrants, so

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he suggested let us make deposits,

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that is, there If you invite someone

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Or there If someone comes there,

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let him pay a bail there, conditionally 5-10-15

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thousand dollars, and if he stays, we

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will get this money. We mean the

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state, so some kind of discussion

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is underway, but I agree with Ian that no one

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will decide anything in the near future this is an

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old problem, many administrations have already changed,

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many congresses

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have already changed, but the problem

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remains and I am afraid that no one knows how to solve it.

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Yes, thanks at the same time, the very idea of an

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amnesty for illegal migrants is

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very sharply

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perceived as something dishonest and

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wrong, but here It should also be noted

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that the largest amnesty for illegal

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migrants

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second quarrel microphone I know what I

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added here I absolutely agree with Igor

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in the sense that it is absolutely

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unprofitable for the Republicans to even decide

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Why this is probably one of the most

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vulnerable points Well, besides there is the scandal with

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Hantrobine, which for some

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Voters as a whole are insignificant, that

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is, they simply ignore the scandal

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scandal, as it were, a plus, again, but if you

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read Only my dumb Smiths Nothing seems to be

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happening, but in general I have

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now noticed a trend that

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Republican candidates are going to the

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Southern Border of the United States and taking photographs there

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they make videos, even record Podcasts,

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and even the Democratic

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Party candidate Kennedy Jr. recently went there for

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2 whole days, he spent a lot of time recording a

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podcast and made a mini-film where

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he showed that we really have

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problems with the border and in general spoke with

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such Republican

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rhetoric about how this can be solved But

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in a nutshell, He proposed something like

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this: to do this so that there

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are as many maximum

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legal ways as possible to cross the border and

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become a US citizen, but at the same time

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illegally, of course, to reduce the issue,

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again, of the security of the

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Southern border, and here if on topic

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Immigration It seems to me that the paratroopers, in my opinion,

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recently said that they will

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use drones, as far as I understand,

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military drones are precisely drones to

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shoot at the carteries and I

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’ll explain to our viewers a little. Perhaps someone

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doesn’t know that the Cartel very often Just for the

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money there 10,000 dollars 15,000

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dollars are transporting migrants across

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Latin America so that they

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get through the Southern border of the United

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States of America and in this regard, he

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now proposes to shoot at this

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convoy, I think they are called coyotes, if I’m

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not confusing anything, shoot from Drones, but the

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peculiarity of what is this territory

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Mexico, that is, well, literally, in

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legal terms, in fact, this is the territory of

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Mexico, and here, too, the question

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was criticized very strongly, and even

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on both sides, as if what to do next,

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but in any case, as if the trend, the trend

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continues to criticize And I

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also agree with what I It seems that at the

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moment this is a problem that cannot be solved, and

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it seems to me that the Republicans, on

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the eve of the presidential elections there, are

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only benefiting from this in this regard.

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Yes, Get it with said that it is possible to

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shoot from the Drones, so it is

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obvious that the permission of the Mexican

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leadership is needed, but it is unlikely that it will

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received and He also said that it would be good for

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the border guard to also be given the right to shoot

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to kill at people who transport

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drugs, his journalists obviously

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asked How can a border guard distinguish a

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person who transports drugs,

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let’s say just a person who is

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illegally trying to cross the border

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Get it said Well, that’s how the police

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identify criminals or how the military

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in Iraq identified terrorists, well, for

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some, such unpleasant thoughts immediately

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arose. Well, then, let’s move on to the next topic. On

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August 8, the state held a

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slightly paradoxical referendum, the purpose of

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which is to complicate the holding of a

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referendum; local Republicans

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whose governor And the majority of the

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legislative assembly

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proposed this referendum, the essence of the

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proposal is the following if now for

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Victory in a referendum is

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traditionally required by 50 percent of the votes or more

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in order to make a decision and

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amend the Constitution, but now they

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proposed more than 60 percent and also

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increase the number of signatures that are

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necessary for initiation.

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Why change the rules that have been

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helping for more than a hundred years,

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but the answer is quite simple the issue is

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abortion, inspired by the example of

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conservative Kansas Michigan there and

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other states

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this year in a referendum Voters

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defended the right to abortion, activists

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collected more than 700 thousand signatures and

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will now be able to hold a referendum on

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enshrining abortion in the right

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set in the state Constitution in

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November 24,

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the Republican does not like it And So they

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proposed such a trick, let’s

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get 60 percent of the votes so that this

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example can be passed through the Constitution

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without being shy about it. The secretary who

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is responsible for holding elections

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directly said that the August referendum is one

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hundred percent concerned with

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preventing the introduction of such an amendment

00:21:01

and they decided to hold these elections in August It’s

00:21:04

also clear why Because the turnout is lower

00:21:08

than in November. When are

00:21:12

congressional elections usually held? The assembly is when the

00:21:14

president is elected.

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Well, nevertheless, the

00:21:20

Republican proposal failed 57 percent.

00:21:23

Voters voted against this

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idea. The turnout was indeed quite

00:21:28

low, around 40 percent, which is

00:21:31

quite typical for such elections.

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which are not held in November Well,

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despite this, the company was actively

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financed outside the state and

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liberals conservatives

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liberals from California

00:21:48

actively urged Washington to vote against this

00:21:52

amendment, a

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conservative billionaire and Greens and a

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donor to the Republican Party proposed voting for it,

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he

00:22:03

bought a whole series of commercials on local TV

00:22:08

but you can say that this is of course a

00:22:11

defeat for the Republicans who

00:22:13

very strongly promoted this measure but still

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lost in a relatively

00:22:18

conservative state because in the

00:22:20

twentieth year Trump received 53

00:22:23

percent of the votes there, beating by 8 percent, and

00:22:29

at the same time they even voted against the complications of the referendum procedure

00:22:35

in a number of traditional republican

00:22:37

districts of the state, that is, it was clear that this was

00:22:40

not even so directly party-specific, namely

00:22:43

the Question of how much, the Question of such a value of

00:22:46

democracy or something Well, in what sense

00:22:49

can this be considered support measures Although

00:22:53

we will finally see this in November 24

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when it

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takes place

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here too Yeah also not unique in the twentieth

00:23:05

year, similar changes

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[music] of

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the endum were tried to be carried out in the organzas,

00:23:11

voters there also spoke out against it, but

00:23:14

local Republicans adopted the amendment

00:23:19

through the meeting, slightly bypassing the

00:23:21

population, and it seems that referendums were also

00:23:25

held in Arizona Beauty there, too,

00:23:29

voters spoke out sharply against the fact

00:23:32

that it would be more

00:23:34

difficult to carry out either give the

00:23:37

legislative assembly the authority

00:23:39

to change the content of the referendum after

00:23:43

the vote,

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that is, the population of the United States still values

00:23:49

their democratic rights and especially the

00:23:51

right to such direct democracy.

00:23:53

When can you take some measure by

00:23:57

popular vote and not bypassing it

00:24:01

through the legislative assembly

00:24:04

Pavel Igor You have there are comments

00:24:08

about

00:24:11

let's probably start if you allow,

00:24:14

you know what the peculiarity is. You said

00:24:16

that here the Republicans as a whole were

00:24:19

probably jumping at the state level. Yes, but again

00:24:21

among the Republicans. I think you and I

00:24:23

discussed this off-air just in the

00:24:25

chat, that this is now such a trend It seems that

00:24:28

Republicans are increasingly positioning the

00:24:30

United States of America precisely as

00:24:32

such a constitutional Republic. That is,

00:24:35

what does it mean that democracy is not

00:24:36

an end in itself, not a value in itself, and the system as a

00:24:39

whole? Well, it may have elements

00:24:41

of democracy, but it may be limited

00:24:42

in some moments, and here I am I see

00:24:45

one such opposite trend - this is among the

00:24:47

Democrats, who, it is true, have a different

00:24:49

agenda, but in general are also similar, who

00:24:51

believe that, for example, the voting age

00:24:53

should now be greatly lowered so

00:24:55

that young people can vote, at

00:24:56

least start with the primaries and then

00:24:58

come to all the national elections

00:25:00

of the Republicans too It’s just that

00:25:02

the Republicans, on the contrary, want to raise it, they want the

00:25:04

same Vivik or Century With you, they are trying to

00:25:07

raise this age to 25 years old, to

00:25:10

basically have an age limit or

00:25:12

increase it, and it seems to me that

00:25:15

this is precisely the struggle of referendums, it

00:25:17

reflects this trend in general, this is

00:25:19

really the struggle for the electorate is

00:25:21

such an electoral democracy, if

00:25:23

you may, and here I wonder what

00:25:25

trend will actually win from the point of view of the fact

00:25:27

that they tried to hold a

00:25:28

referendum in order to limit

00:25:30

themselves. If we look from the position of a

00:25:32

democratic system,

00:25:33

especially a democratic system like

00:25:35

this, federal That is all countries Well,

00:25:37

yes, to be honest, it looks strange, that

00:25:38

is, well, literally, we will make everything more difficult.

00:25:41

Well, that is, we cannot see

00:25:42

the voter in the fact that abortion is bad,

00:25:43

so we will make sure that they

00:25:45

cannot vote in November or whenever

00:25:47

at the end of the year they are against it but if we

00:25:50

look at this from the point of view of the fact that they

00:25:52

held a public referendum in order

00:25:55

to, as it were, limit themselves, but they

00:25:57

at least provided their electorate,

00:25:59

they provided the residents of this state with

00:26:00

elections, and here I understand that the

00:26:02

Democratic

00:26:04

side there can criticize me, well, how can that

00:26:06

be? it’s still self-restraint, but I

00:26:08

can do it, as if it’s my personal

00:26:10

position. I’m just too old to look in different directions

00:26:11

because it’s difficult

00:26:14

to comment on something here. I’d like to

00:26:15

delve into the theory somehow, but with the theory, well, the

00:26:18

state itself seems to be separate the

00:26:20

channel of the state has the right

00:26:22

to limit itself residents voters

00:26:24

they had such an opportunity to

00:26:25

take advantage of this electoral

00:26:27

institution even if to some extent

00:26:29

they themselves complicate this

00:26:30

electoral procedure for themselves. Will it be a

00:26:32

shot in the foot if they, for example,

00:26:34

increase this percentage perhaps quite

00:26:36

possibly again as the point of

00:26:39

democratic institutions is that you

00:26:41

can take some kind of action by accepting

00:26:43

it electorally, that is, conditionally, by the

00:26:44

majority there, even if on the whole it

00:26:47

seems somehow not particularly positive. That

00:26:49

is, again, this is your right to make things

00:26:51

worse for yourself, to make things better for yourself

00:26:52

but this is how I see it

00:26:54

Well, yes, this is probably some sense of

00:26:57

democracy in a broad sense, and

00:27:00

here I really agree with the fact that

00:27:02

now the Republicans are Democrats, they are

00:27:05

extremely consistent with the names of their

00:27:06

own parties because the Democrats

00:27:09

actively criticize all institutions that are

00:27:12

not directly chosen somehow let's say the

00:27:15

Supreme Court or the fact that the Senate

00:27:19

is elected So each state has

00:27:22

two senators, regardless of

00:27:24

how many people live there. They actively

00:27:26

criticize everything as such non-democratic

00:27:29

measures, representative institutions that

00:27:31

should be reformed or abolished, and the

00:27:35

Republicans, on the contrary, appeal to the ideas of a

00:27:38

republic where there are different institutions both

00:27:42

democratic and non-democratic, they

00:27:44

seem to coexist for some kind of

00:27:47

ideal control system, they

00:27:49

operate with the founder that they

00:27:52

initially wanted a system

00:27:54

that would not be completely under

00:27:56

the control of the

00:27:57

people, as if in a broad sense there

00:28:01

were some constant restrictions for

00:28:04

this will of the people because it

00:28:06

seems to take on a constructive form, let’s

00:28:08

say that’s why Yes, now both

00:28:11

parties have their own name,

00:28:13

respectively.

00:28:15

I just want to say that it seems to me

00:28:17

that the situation in Yep, it

00:28:20

shows very well

00:28:22

what the

00:28:25

Republicans are really talking about. there is when the

00:28:27

Ro against Wade was canceled, and

00:28:29

we also discussed this and they wrote to us in

00:28:31

the comments that why are you

00:28:34

changing the essence of the decision, but the court did

00:28:37

n’t cancel anything, but it just seemed to

00:28:39

say that the states can decide for themselves Well,

00:28:41

that’s how we see as Yeah, and decides as

00:28:44

soon as the question arose that it

00:28:46

would not be the Republicans who

00:28:48

control the

00:28:50

legislative bodies who would decide, but the people themselves, the

00:28:52

Republicans immediately began to change the

00:28:55

rules of the game, 50 percent is not enough,

00:28:58

more is needed and Let’s change the rules, that means

00:29:00

organizations, and so on, and I’ll

00:29:03

remind you that in my opinion in Michigan, if I'm

00:29:06

not mistaken, there was also a problem there when

00:29:07

ah, the

00:29:09

Republicans They tried to slow down

00:29:12

the referendum on some formal

00:29:14

grounds, they say that the text

00:29:16

was written incorrectly there without

00:29:19

punctuation, something like that I don’t

00:29:20

remember exactly, so it seems to me that

00:29:22

after all, we are talking about the fact that

00:29:26

I said it and I will say it and I will

00:29:30

repeat it that the issue of abortion

00:29:32

will greatly influence the

00:29:34

election results. I did not check the original source, but I

00:29:37

read that, for example, on the campus of

00:29:40

Agai University there is opposition to the proposal to

00:29:43

complicate things 98% of voters voted in the referendum,

00:29:47

that is, the youth

00:29:49

will actually sweep away the Republicans and I think that the

00:29:52

Republicans understand this, and again

00:29:55

what Pavel said about

00:29:58

Vic’s proposal to increase

00:30:02

the age Yes, this is exactly what it says

00:30:05

that the Republicans are afraid that the youth

00:30:07

will come in the elections and will not vote the

00:30:09

way the Republicans want. Therefore, in

00:30:13

this regard, it seems to me that Guy’s examples are

00:30:15

very indicative and it’s very interesting to

00:30:18

watch all this; it will be doubly interesting to

00:30:19

watch. Directly after

00:30:21

the referendum itself, which is already associated with the right

00:30:24

set,

00:30:25

yes. Thank you Igor, now Pavel, I’ll give

00:30:29

you the floor

00:30:31

I just want to leave a small comment,

00:30:33

you know, not only in the country in November 24,

00:30:37

such referendums will be held in a

00:30:40

number of States, and I personally have

00:30:42

the feeling that the Republicans, in

00:30:44

a sense, have squeezed this issue

00:30:47

with abortion, they are so aggressive in

00:30:50

promoting it, these referendums are

00:30:53

excellent an opportunity for

00:30:55

Republican voters, including those who

00:30:58

generally agree with Sparta, that is, they, as it

00:31:00

were, will not vote for the Democrats. They will vote on

00:31:02

abortion issues; they believe that the party is

00:31:05

still wrong and in a referendum they

00:31:08

can vote for abortion, while

00:31:10

formally not voting for

00:31:11

democrats and express how he gives his position

00:31:16

Here, too, I agree with both of you colleagues,

00:31:19

I’m the only one who will probably add

00:31:21

that Well, in general, you know how when a

00:31:24

person participates in a gathering, he has taken on, as

00:31:26

it were, a position that he doesn’t particularly

00:31:28

believe in, he no longer, well, I bet he doesn’t participate at

00:31:30

all he emotionally entered into it there

00:31:32

rationally entered into me and now he has already

00:31:34

gone through 60 percent of the argument there with

00:31:36

everyone or with someone there with a colleague with someone

00:31:38

else he can’t get out because

00:31:39

if he says that Well, I’m not Is he

00:31:41

right or am I generally speaking globally, it doesn’t matter,

00:31:43

I just decided to argue, he

00:31:45

will feel negative, as

00:31:47

if I don’t know, there is such a feeling of frustration.

00:31:49

There he will have obsession. It

00:31:51

seems to me that the Republican Party is

00:31:52

about the same. Although on the other

00:31:54

hand, again, here’s Igor said that

00:31:56

Here is an example of a campus where

00:31:58

99% voted against this university university I

00:32:01

want There are young people who

00:32:03

will never vote Republican and people

00:32:06

who went through two to four years of

00:32:08

university college there they are in general

00:32:10

ideologically completely different they are not

00:32:12

close to the Republicans and in my opinion they even

00:32:14

exist division According to the universities that have

00:32:16

some more such about

00:32:18

conservative about republican or

00:32:21

there are often universities that are breugers or

00:32:23

there are praggers I don’t remember exactly how it is

00:32:24

spelled

00:32:25

and there are also religious universities

00:32:27

that also remained as private but in

00:32:29

general there are quite a few of them That is, if

00:32:31

you there you will pass the League of the Shoulder Well, you

00:32:33

will vote almost 100% for Democrats

00:32:35

because it will be quite

00:32:36

difficult for you to look at it differently,

00:32:38

but again among young people in

00:32:41

fact. I would probably look at

00:32:43

religious statistics, but it seems to me

00:32:44

that from the moment Trump’s coming to

00:32:47

power in the sixteenth year, that’s what

00:32:48

they call it, that is, remember the generation here is

00:32:50

a fochana, uh, sort of English

00:32:54

image board of such forums on which

00:32:57

you communicate anonymously, it seems to me in general

00:32:59

that these are young people who have now found themselves

00:33:00

even more than some kind of religious message And

00:33:03

therefore, on the contrary, they will be in favor of abortion,

00:33:05

and if you look there,

00:33:07

oh, somehow here’s Trump’s company’s Twitter,

00:33:12

which is an unofficial thief there, or whatever

00:33:14

it’s called, in general, and the memes and message

00:33:17

that are there, they’re quite

00:33:19

charged, conservative. That is, I would did

00:33:21

n’t even say that these are moderate

00:33:23

Republicans, that’s why there are such

00:33:24

young people, you young people most often are not in

00:33:26

large cities, they are not on campuses, they are

00:33:28

located somewhere completely different

00:33:30

territories, they are either in the suburbs if they are

00:33:32

rich Republicans, or they are even in

00:33:34

rural areas and the question is how are they they

00:33:36

would vote that it’s possible that they would

00:33:38

even be okay in this regard. Okay, but again,

00:33:41

I absolutely agree with Igor, it’s

00:33:42

interesting to see how this unfolds.

00:33:44

In any case, the Democrats, too,

00:33:46

as far as I remember, had a couple of proposals

00:33:47

on electoral reforms, which were

00:33:49

also not very beneficial for the Republicans and in

00:33:52

general in California there is a constant war over the fact

00:33:54

that those who have served time in prison

00:33:55

or are in places not so

00:33:57

remote can vote. And this is almost 70-80% of

00:34:00

the electorate. I wanted to say to the

00:34:02

libertarian party of the Democratic

00:34:04

Party in the United States of America,

00:34:05

so here in any case there is always

00:34:08

any party power in the form of a party of

00:34:10

institutions will always try

00:34:11

to increase its advantage, well, it’s

00:34:13

like a can of scorpions. It seems to me

00:34:15

that this will be here in any case, and

00:34:17

again, well, we have to look for it after all.

00:34:19

Well, in honor of the democrats, what are their

00:34:22

electoral reforms that they

00:34:23

they proposed, in my opinion, it used to be a

00:34:24

republic and it is partially very

00:34:27

similar now, in my opinion, it is being discussed

00:34:29

Just the Republican one, in my opinion, they even

00:34:30

introduced it into Congress, it’s also interesting

00:34:32

to see how they will fight, which

00:34:33

tower will win Well, yes, the rhetoric is also

00:34:36

quite funny Because when

00:34:38

the Democrats introduced their reform,

00:34:40

the Republicans said that

00:34:43

congressional elections are a matter for the States, it’s not

00:34:46

necessary for Washington to get involved in this, and

00:34:48

then the whole discussion came to naught,

00:34:51

the bill failed, the Republicans with

00:34:53

their reform have already arrived, too,

00:34:56

congressional election reforms are not clear before

00:34:59

they said that Washington was eliminated, well, for God’s sake,

00:35:03

then we’ll move on to also quite funny

00:35:08

news, a famous Russian opera singer, she is

00:35:11

not strong, filed lawsuits against the

00:35:14

New York one

00:35:16

because of the cancellation of her performance, or

00:35:19

Tell me more about this

00:35:25

Thank you, Ian, that is, Well, as I said, Anna

00:35:29

Netrebko is a star of the opera stage, she

00:35:32

collaborates with the Metropolitan Opera There

00:35:35

in the beginning of the two thousandth During this time,

00:35:38

more than 200 performances of the opera diva

00:35:42

took place in the theater and, in fact,

00:35:45

no one there, by and large, disputes

00:35:47

that Netrebko even became, to one degree or another,

00:35:49

the face of the metropolitan of the opera. Well,

00:35:52

it was a long, long, long time and everything

00:35:55

changed on February 22 2022

00:35:58

after Russia attacked Ukraine and the

00:36:02

general director of the theater he began to

00:36:05

take such a position. He wanted

00:36:07

an understanding that means that Netrebko condemns

00:36:11

the war and condemns Putin. Well, that is, and

00:36:14

then the question of wording begins

00:36:17

and the question of who How does he perceive it

00:36:19

because the action is e - the director of the

00:36:23

theater director herself doesn’t have English names I’ll

00:36:26

quote the never-ending campaigns to

00:36:29

discredit Netrebko end of quote and that

00:36:33

is, the whole question rested on the position on

00:36:35

the war and, in fact, Peter Galp is the

00:36:38

director of the theater, so to speak, he asked

00:36:42

what is called who you are as a master of

00:36:44

culture, addressing specifically to Netrebko

00:36:47

He said that the

00:36:50

Metropolitan Opera does not have Abrams tanks or

00:36:53

F-16 planes, but the theater city is a

00:36:56

cultural resource for Ukraine that is

00:36:58

fighting the Russian cultural

00:37:01

propaganda machine, that is, and strictly speaking

00:37:04

further It all came down to the fact that and he

00:37:07

tried to find out what Netrebko thinks and

00:37:10

says about the war and about Putin and then you

00:37:13

just need to give a detailed

00:37:17

description of the sophistication. And how everything happened according to our

00:37:21

version. While we are talking about

00:37:23

Netrebko’s version because we do not have documents

00:37:24

from before the theater and from the director who

00:37:27

speaks with the defendant, it means February 23,

00:37:31

that is, the day after war,

00:37:33

Netrebko made a statement on social networks

00:37:37

that these are very sad days, we are

00:37:39

deeply concerned about the well-being of everyone

00:37:42

involved, every war is a terrible

00:37:44

tragedy, now is the time for music, time

00:37:47

for reflection, prayers, We hope and

00:37:49

pray for a quick Peaceful resolution, that

00:37:52

is, well, according to the opinion Not too harsh, as I

00:37:54

understand it that all this means that she

00:37:57

condemned the war, but the theater asked on the

00:38:00

twenty-sixth of February last year

00:38:02

to speak out more clearly and,

00:38:06

speaking about the war, also condemn

00:38:08

Putin, and the director asked to

00:38:11

use certain words so that, well,

00:38:13

the searches are not given there. What specifically,

00:38:15

but he wanted hear specific

00:38:18

formulations related to

00:38:20

Putin’s condemnation of this also on February 26, Netrebko

00:38:24

wrote that I am against war I am Russian and I

00:38:27

love the Motherland but for me that’s all quote A

00:38:30

and for me I am Russian and I love the Motherland but

00:38:32

I have many friends in Ukraine and suffering

00:38:36

breaks my heart but Netrebko added that

00:38:38

forcing an artist to blame his

00:38:41

homeland is wrong and And after that she

00:38:44

said that I am not a politician I have no

00:38:46

political expertise I am not an Expert in

00:38:49

these matters Well, that is, in fact, she

00:38:51

decided not to say anything about Putin and

00:38:54

not to talk about Russia specifically

00:38:57

because well the first phrase Yes, it was in

00:39:00

general that war is bad, but it’s

00:39:02

not clear who is ultimately to blame for this

00:39:04

war, and on February 27 the director of the theater

00:39:08

said that the theater cannot work.

00:39:10

It was a public statement. He said

00:39:12

that the theater cannot work with those who

00:39:14

support Putin or with those whom

00:39:16

Putin supports And while in

00:39:19

Ukraine there is an invasion and the murder of

00:39:22

civilians, and in response to this, on

00:39:26

March 1, Netrebko said that I am against

00:39:29

the war, I call on Russia to stop the war

00:39:32

in order to quote save us all,

00:39:35

no matter what it means, it means this there was a

00:39:38

wording, but the next day in a

00:39:41

telephone conversation, Netrebko directly said

00:39:43

that come on, please condemn

00:39:46

Putin, who started this war, in response

00:39:48

Netrebko said that I, as a citizen,

00:39:50

quote, I, as a citizen of Russia, cannot

00:39:53

make such a statement, respectively, and the

00:39:56

next day, March 3 after

00:39:59

these words from Netrebkov in a telephone

00:40:01

conversation, the theater terminated all agreements with her.

00:40:03

Well, almost a

00:40:06

month later, on March 30

00:40:09

last year, Netrebko said that she

00:40:11

condemns the war and that her thoughts and prayers are with the

00:40:14

victims of the war. And then she did not firmly

00:40:17

say that she is not a member of any party

00:40:19

is with the leaders of the Russian Federation,

00:40:21

she is not connected at all, she lives in

00:40:23

Austria Well, she has dual citizenship of

00:40:25

Tank and Russia and Austria and in Austria she

00:40:28

is a tax resident, she

00:40:30

also added Netrebko said that I

00:40:32

regret that my actions and statements

00:40:34

could have been misinterpreted, again,

00:40:36

that is in view of what actions of

00:40:38

the statement it is not clear this is the

00:40:40

background of the claim now, in

00:40:41

fact, the legal legal grounds of the claim

00:40:45

What Netrebko is talking about, firstly, she

00:40:47

refers to the fact that the

00:40:49

theater and the director of the theater

00:40:53

discriminated against her on the basis of her

00:40:55

country of origin. She says that

00:40:58

look, I am a citizen of the Russian

00:40:59

Federation and these are the ones who pestered me. Well, I’m

00:41:02

simplifying, but they pestered me about something. Let’s

00:41:04

condemn the war as if I weren’t a

00:41:07

citizen of the Russian Federation, then they would

00:41:09

n’t pester me, which means it’s obviously

00:41:11

because I’m a citizen of Russia and this is what I’m

00:41:13

like

00:41:14

discrimination, moreover, she does not firmly

00:41:17

say that And in accordance with

00:41:20

Russian legislation and I am

00:41:21

a citizen of Russia, calling a war a war

00:41:24

is dangerous, but I called it a war and She

00:41:27

cites the testimony of at least two

00:41:30

professors from different universities that

00:41:33

now Netrebko herself is in

00:41:35

danger because she said the wrong thing

00:41:37

special military operation And the word is

00:41:39

war and now she is becoming an enemy

00:41:42

of Putin and this is very dangerous and therefore, in

00:41:45

general, she has such problems in life.

00:41:48

That is, this is such discrimination, I will

00:41:52

say on my own behalf that it

00:41:54

seems to me that the Question is not discrimination

00:41:58

based on country of origin A

00:42:01

the question is that Netrebko still

00:42:02

supported Putin and she was

00:42:05

Putin’s confidant and this is described in the lawsuits.

00:42:07

She says that Well, yes,

00:42:10

my name really appeared on the

00:42:13

list of 600 Russians who support

00:42:15

Putin. But that was only twice and

00:42:19

once I couldn’t refuse so that it doesn’t

00:42:21

mean we don’t know Yes, she just writes

00:42:23

I couldn’t I that I couldn’t refuse is a

00:42:26

quote of sophistication and the second time they did

00:42:28

n’t ask me at all I was included in it That

00:42:31

is, as if she had nothing to do with it and and

00:42:35

how Netrebko will be

00:42:36

I don’t know how to prove discrimination, but it

00:42:39

will be very interesting to watch and it

00:42:40

will be very interesting to

00:42:42

follow the

00:42:44

theater’s response. The second basis for the claim is that the

00:42:48

Metropolitan Opera violated its

00:42:52

honor.

00:42:56

is close to

00:42:59

Putin But being close to Putin is

00:43:01

accordingly something bad, so a-a

00:43:04

the director spread false information and

00:43:06

specifically asks Netrebko So

00:43:10

she says that a-a it’s not

00:43:14

true that she

00:43:16

is inextricably a close ally of

00:43:18

Putin then that she never demonstrated

00:43:22

her Closeness to Putin

00:43:25

Well, that is, accordingly, as it were

00:43:27

When they say that you

00:43:28

demonstrated closeness This is not true,

00:43:29

she says And she also says that

00:43:32

it is not true that she agreed with

00:43:34

Putin’s policies Well, so she says that yes, my

00:43:37

name is there Yes indeed was among

00:43:39

these 600 trusted persons, but one time I

00:43:41

couldn’t refuse another time Well,

00:43:44

no one asked me at all, and finally, the

00:43:46

last reason is a violation of

00:43:48

contractual obligations, that is, here

00:43:50

ah Netrebko proves that they

00:43:53

had uh there Labor relations,

00:43:56

civil legal relations are often

00:43:58

not important with the theater, but the theater

00:44:01

turns out that having invited her to work,

00:44:03

then refused to fulfill his own

00:44:06

offer and therefore he is bad and

00:44:09

that, in fact, she doesn’t really want it,

00:44:10

she says that as a result of

00:44:12

all this she has suffered harm and

00:44:15

emotional and physical suffering. And in

00:44:19

Russia, her concerts were canceled on

00:44:21

social networks, she was bullied because of her anti-war

00:44:24

positions, and she was scolded by politicians,

00:44:27

which means that now friends and relatives

00:44:30

bear the risk of connection with the fact that she

00:44:32

spoke out against the war in such a way, but in Russia this is

00:44:35

impossible do Well, the cherry on the cake is

00:44:38

that some emotional suffering

00:44:41

was caused to her by the fact that in connection with this

00:44:43

situation she had to sell her New

00:44:45

York apartment and now Netrebko is

00:44:48

asking the

00:44:49

jury to admit that

00:44:53

everything she says is true and to

00:44:56

collect compensation from her benefit in the

00:44:58

amount that the jury will determine,

00:45:01

but in particular for violation of contractual

00:45:04

obligations. It should be no less than

00:45:06

$360,000. That is, we will observe.

00:45:08

And this was Netrebko’s position. When there is

00:45:12

a position, the position of the theater, the director’s position, we will

00:45:15

also voice it, it will be interesting.

00:45:18

Yes, thank you very much Igor for such a

00:45:21

thorough explanation of

00:45:24

Netrebko’s position, you know, my very first

00:45:27

thought was I remembered the Supreme

00:45:29

Court case that we recently discussed

00:45:32

related to the woman who made the

00:45:35

websites. So the position of the court was

00:45:39

such that you cannot force a person to

00:45:42

make a certain speech in favor of

00:45:45

someone, that this is a violation of the

00:45:48

first amendment It seems to me that there was no strong

00:45:50

need to insist on this position just then

00:45:52

that the metro forced

00:45:56

her to make a certain speech,

00:45:59

it’s probably then from the position it would

00:46:02

also have come together. Would you like

00:46:04

to comment somehow? Why briefly just

00:46:07

imagine that I

00:46:09

would spend 360 thousand dollars if I had

00:46:12

such a judicial precedent I just didn’t

00:46:14

understand why the apartment had to be sold,

00:46:15

how is this connected? there are people being fired. They do

00:46:17

n’t sell later. Well, maybe I don’t

00:46:20

understand something, but I don’t see the connection yet; she

00:46:23

just has nothing to do in New York, she she

00:46:25

I bought an apartment in New York so that

00:46:28

she would constantly come there and constantly

00:46:30

perform for these 20 years in Metropolis

00:46:33

on Pera, now I ca

00:46:34

n’t do anything for him in New York, so she

00:46:36

sold the apartment, I understand, thank you for explaining. To be

00:46:39

honest, in this case, maybe not

00:46:41

I know some context. Just from her

00:46:43

backstory, I can say that regarding the

00:46:45

list of trusted persons and Khamatov’s chupan,

00:46:47

I don’t know about a foreign Agent now a

00:46:48

foreign Agent. Well, let it be in advance,

00:46:51

uh, too, this story was so

00:46:53

loud with the fact that it was

00:46:56

Vladimir Putin's confidant now, as far as

00:46:57

I know, she lives in such immigration and

00:46:59

takes a completely anti-Putin

00:47:01

position, so to speak, here you know

00:47:03

what the question is, that as far as I understand, this is the

00:47:05

Russian mechanism for appointing

00:47:07

proxies. There are two types of

00:47:09

proxies, one is legal, that is, the one

00:47:10

that passes according to the election law, that

00:47:13

is, various electoral codes, or

00:47:15

in general Federal law, that is,

00:47:17

literally a person who comes to the

00:47:18

election commission and on behalf of the

00:47:20

candidate says something, submits

00:47:22

documents, does something, the second

00:47:24

is exactly this, a reputational

00:47:25

public trustee. This is our

00:47:27

list contains 600 young people who

00:47:29

stand for Vladimir Putin, and for the

00:47:31

second, it seems to me that really I

00:47:33

just called her or she couldn’t

00:47:35

refuse herself. I’m not defending in any way, I don’t

00:47:36

know, I’m just guessing, I’ve just

00:47:38

heard in the public field, well,

00:47:40

about stories like this you can

00:47:41

support and Well, I don’t know. If there was

00:47:43

some eleventh year,

00:47:45

twelfth year, then Vladimir Putin of 112

00:47:46

is not Vladimir Putin of twenty-

00:47:48

three, there is twenty-two, it’s

00:47:50

still, well, completely different politicians,

00:47:52

they perceive it differently Although

00:47:53

the trend was, well, for some

00:47:55

experts It’s clear Again, this is not in defense,

00:47:57

just think about it. It’s interesting

00:47:59

how it was. That is, how she can

00:48:00

prove. Here’s the call, what exactly

00:48:03

did they say? Who called her, too, maybe it’s in

00:48:05

court with a raft; it would even be interesting

00:48:07

for the Russian viewer of the listener; here’s the

00:48:09

second one here it’s just too blurry,

00:48:11

again, I have no positions, I honestly

00:48:13

don’t know at all how to consider this case

00:48:15

except this question. But

00:48:18

you yourself, this Opera is a private

00:48:19

organization. That is, it has a Brand, it

00:48:21

has a perception, it publicly

00:48:22

declares that we as a brand have our

00:48:23

own values, she is an employee,

00:48:25

even if we assume something, she is the

00:48:27

first person Ambassador a-a Favorite top

00:48:30

number one in any case, the brand can

00:48:32

say that we Well, it is important for us if you are a

00:48:35

public figure, you are associated with a specific

00:48:37

country we please speak out for you,

00:48:38

this is important, as far as I understand, the brand

00:48:40

has the right to do this. Well, it’s strange

00:48:42

that they didn’t put an emphasis on the path

00:48:44

because after all, well, really, her

00:48:46

family may have problems in Russia because of

00:48:48

this plan because of the statement But with on the

00:48:49

other hand Well, the brand doesn’t care globally

00:48:51

because the brand doesn’t work for her,

00:48:54

she’s kind of cool,

00:48:56

probably, but she’s just an employee in this

00:48:58

regard, so here it’s interesting from a

00:49:00

legal point of view how this will all

00:49:02

turn out in court and who will be right then

00:49:03

there she will say that I was

00:49:05

forced to say something that could cause

00:49:07

harm to me or the brand will be absolutely

00:49:10

right in saying that only if you associate with us

00:49:12

We don’t want to be

00:49:14

associated with this, we asked to

00:49:16

publicly share and say,

00:49:18

in any case, it’s interesting that’s

00:49:19

what- then personal position No, well, I wonder

00:49:21

how it will end,

00:49:22

yes. At the same time, in the United States, there is also such a

00:49:26

practice of surrogates 49 for election

00:49:30

campaigns when they are not officially employed, they are

00:49:32

not employed in any way by the election

00:49:34

company. But they, for example,

00:49:36

represent the media and act on behalf of the

00:49:38

candidate.

00:49:39

I just want to say that right there

00:49:43

question What is that yes Pavel mentioned some

00:49:48

other people there Yes, those who were

00:49:51

for Putin are now against Yes I’m here

00:49:53

Probably even said that the more recent

00:49:55

example is Volozh but you look at what

00:49:58

Volozh wrote And what accordingly

00:50:01

she said is not strong that I I voiced it

00:50:03

because, well, these are two completely different

00:50:05

things, because what I said was not

00:50:08

strong, well, by and large, it’s like

00:50:11

we are For all the good against all the bad

00:50:12

Yes, and it seems like a war,

00:50:15

someone wrote it in my comments that

00:50:17

according to Netrebko, the war is as if it

00:50:19

started on its own and is not a rag. Now

00:50:21

you are, as it were, simply against the war. Well,

00:50:24

against the war that began on its own,

00:50:25

and therefore, in fact, the

00:50:28

theater tells her that no, please

00:50:31

make up your mind about this. Yes, it really is

00:50:33

was a confidant there in 2012, it

00:50:37

happened there, but nevertheless it was not strong.

00:50:39

Besides that, she also went to

00:50:41

Donbass, she donated money to the

00:50:43

Donbass Philharmonic there, took pictures

00:50:45

with the flag of Little Russia, gave an interview about

00:50:48

how to love your homeland, and then

00:50:50

the question Yes, that was a long time ago But how do you need

00:50:53

to understand that now Netrebko does not

00:50:55

support Putin if she doesn’t

00:50:57

talk about it, well, probably yes, maybe it’s

00:50:59

scary, maybe not, well,

00:51:01

excuse me, that means from my point of

00:51:04

view. And if it’s really scary

00:51:08

that Putin will think badly of her, she would she

00:51:10

didn’t file a lawsuit because she

00:51:12

actually says in this lawsuit that

00:51:13

Guys, you insult me by

00:51:16

saying that I’m a close ally of Putin.

00:51:18

Well, as if she’s afraid of Putin and his

00:51:22

reaction, probably the reaction to such

00:51:25

words will be even harsher than if

00:51:27

she’s just more clearly condemned the war

00:51:30

and Putin as the Opera wanted

00:51:33

Yes, thank you very much games we have one

00:51:37

last little story left The

00:51:40

Baydan administration announced that after

00:51:43

two years of difficult negotiations the United States finally

00:51:46

agreed to cancel the concluded

00:51:48

crap Iranian authorities have already transferred

00:51:53

3 Americans to house arrest which

00:51:55

should soon be canceled on everyone early

00:51:59

who is

00:52:00

in American prisons Well, there was

00:52:04

one more condition on the part of Iran, in

00:52:08

particular, the Americans agreed to remove the

00:52:10

arrest accounts in South Korea. There, the

00:52:14

money was received from the sale of oil, about 6

00:52:17

billion

00:52:19

they will receive back, but there is also a

00:52:22

nuance, such an amount will be sent to

00:52:25

the frame will open an account there and the wound

00:52:28

will allow this money to be spent only if

00:52:30

it is used to

00:52:33

purchase food, medicines and

00:52:36

other humanitarian aid.

00:52:38

The Republicans have already criticized the deal.

00:52:41

It is clear. Because they have very

00:52:44

strong Iranian sentiments,

00:52:46

they called it the largest hostage ransom

00:52:50

in history and they accused Biden of

00:52:53

that it gives money early, that the money

00:52:55

will end up in the hands of the

00:52:57

Revolution of other

00:53:00

countries in the Middle East. Although

00:53:04

there seems to be this mechanism that, in theory,

00:53:06

should prevent it, and another

00:53:09

point of criticism was related to the fact that

00:53:11

other countries, in particular Russia,

00:53:13

let’s say, will now demand not

00:53:15

only exchanging baked

00:53:17

additional conditions for yourself I remember someone

00:53:21

once asked me in the context

00:53:24

of journalists:

00:53:27

Will Russia, following the example of Iran,

00:53:31

demand not only an exchange of prisoners

00:53:34

but also lift itself some kind of sanctions,

00:53:38

perhaps financial, perhaps

00:53:40

personal, from someone

00:53:47

here? Honestly speaking, not directly my topic is

00:53:50

that I was planning to fly early in October,

00:53:52

so I’m afraid to say something wrong Well,

00:53:55

okay, I’m kidding, if I’m serious, yes. And

00:53:57

indeed, I also saw this criticism in

00:53:59

general, and here the Republicans, you know, they

00:54:02

just found such a sore point in

00:54:04

foreign policy. It’s not only there is the fact

00:54:06

that there is Russia, Ukraine, or the fact that in

00:54:09

Europe NATO seems to be weakening there and

00:54:11

so on. Well, this is such a classic

00:54:12

Republican rhetoric that well, where is the

00:54:14

USA, where is our first place? Why are we not

00:54:16

leaders? They are not only Iran, but also in

00:54:19

Afghanistan, that is, the withdrawal of troops which

00:54:21

was added to me, they often

00:54:23

remember this is such a constant narrative,

00:54:24

even if you take directly well, conservative

00:54:27

such speakers seem to be on a shopper and

00:54:29

topping up, then they constantly

00:54:30

remember this, so it seems to me that Iran will

00:54:32

simply be added. It’s precisely to this

00:54:33

agenda that look in this

00:54:35

direction Biden loses

00:54:38

Yes, thank you,

00:54:40

yes, but here we should expect the Republicans to

00:54:43

support this given the level of

00:54:45

demarcation that exists. It would be

00:54:48

strange, but for example, when they exchanged a

00:54:52

basketball player from WNB from Russia, I forgot her last name,

00:54:56

so the Republicans said that you were a

00:55:00

semi-military man there and left him in prison

00:55:03

there should have been do everything

00:55:05

possible to get him out. Well,

00:55:07

it turns out that the Americans are in Iran. There was no longer any

00:55:10

need to do everything that can be done, that is,

00:55:12

criticism. I don’t know how

00:55:14

fair it is or not. It seems to me that there are no

00:55:16

right decisions, but they kind of

00:55:18

criticize and this is a democratic process.

00:55:21

And this good because we will have something to

00:55:23

talk about Yes,

00:55:25

thank you there was such criticism What kind of

00:55:28

merchant of death as if it was possible to

00:55:32

take two Americans after all and they are one

00:55:34

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