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Андрей Зубов

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says radio freedom on the air program

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facing the event and is hosted by mikhail sokolov

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and in our moscow studio andrey zubov

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professor doctor of historical sciences and we

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will talk about new entrances of president

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vladimir putin into the ideological and

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historical

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field in a month putin has already distinguished himself three times

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in this part for the first time at a meeting of the

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Presidential Council on Science and

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Education, it was January 21, such a

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symbolic date, the day of the death of Vladimir

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Ulyanov-Lenin, and the president reacted

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to the words of the head of the Kurchatov Institute and a

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former member of the dacha cooperative

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lake, where many of the current

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oligarchs came from, Mikhail Kovalchuk, the academician

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remembered Lenin’s quote from parsnip

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that he knew how to control the flow if

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let's listen to

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Vladimir Putin's speech manage the flow if

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it's correct of course Mikhail Blinkin

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now there's nothing to control the flow if it's

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correct the only important thing is that this thought

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leads to the desired result and no

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Vladimir Ilyich

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and so the whole idea of writing is

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correct in Ultimately, this thought

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led to the disintegration of the

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Soviet Union, which is why there were a lot of

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thoughts of such autonomization there and so

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on, they planted an atomic bomb, a task

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called Russia, it exploded

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under the world revolution, we didn’t need

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this kind of thought and there we need to think

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about what kind of thought here is Vladimir Putin in

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communication with outstanding Russian

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scientists who are not historians, and we

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actually ask Andrei Zub, this is not

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Putin’s first speech on historical topics, well, in this speech and in the

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next, he constantly

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refers to this historical

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dispute between Lenin and Stalin autonomization or

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union of the state, as I understand it,

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he takes the side of Joseph Stalin,

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but of course the fact is that Lenin thought

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globally in the literal sense of the word, with the

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whole globe,

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his union of Soviet socialist

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republics was supposed to be a union of all

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peoples of the earth of

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all countries of the earth and from this time

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left is the Soviet coat of arms, which

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existed until the very end of the Soviet

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Union, a globe with a

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hammer and sickle superimposed on it, not a country, a crazy step,

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so Lenin imitated, if you like, a

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world socialist republic,

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I do not abandon it, but in its embryo

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he imitated by creating on the ruins of the

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Russian state

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several states united in

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union of Soviet socialist

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republics,

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in the future there should have been new

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Poland, Germany, and so on and so forth

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nunchuk it is known that this did not work out

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Stalin without thinking so global canceled and

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Lithuanian they were here to compete with each other

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leagues Antonov Stalin

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wanted to firmly establish himself on the territory of the

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former Russian Empire, well, then

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weld pieces as far as possible with

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you national socialism, you are my

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direct one, which

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was proclaimed a little later as soon as he strengthened himself

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in power, in general, after the seven notorious

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18th congress, he actually had already

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officially proclaimed national

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socialism

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and in our Soviet educational about

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the possibility building socialism in

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one single country and that is,

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setting up a national one, and for Stalin it was

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unbearable to give someone independence

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from Russia in Ukraine, whether they showed him with his

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loved ones, and that’s why

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he proposed creating a current of

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autonomy, that is, giving some kind of floating

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cops in fact not to give any, of course, but

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to give some rights by national

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education but as part of the Russian

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federation, that is, to expand the Russian federation

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to the limits of what later

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became known as s, but the actual idea of

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Yosifovich,

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well, I must say that all these things are

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nonsense because in fact the

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Bolsheviks they didn’t think of any real

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national autonomy or national

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independence, they made concessions in general, they did

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n’t flirt at home during this period

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with part of the national elites who

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went over to their side and let’s say

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the Bashkir there was such a led or

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Crimean Tatar or let’s say dash

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Ukrainian Barbie value Vinnichenko but

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I almost moved with such

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feathers,

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but having stunned how famous I moved, it

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would have ended at night from the shop

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filled with a huge number of

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national leaders and

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people, representatives of national figures from

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Azerbaijanis, and cut

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so that all this was not true, the languages of

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Dalida would have given the opportunity to talk about

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in our own language, we are the owner, then this is

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the opportunity to change Belova, under the tsarist

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rule, the gymnasiums were national, but in

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reality, national formation was,

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of course, completely excluded, everything was

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united with the iron hand of the

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Communist Party, I actually did

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n’t fall for anyone, and

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personally Comrade

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First Secretary about substances, here’s

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another interesting thesis This is already for communication

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with figures from the N.F. Vladimir Putin

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says I really liked

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and still like communist

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socialist ideas, if we look at

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the code of the builder of communism, it

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reminds us of the Bible, the idea of good equality,

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brotherhood of happiness, the practical

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implementation of these wonderful ideas was

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far from what the socialist utopians set out,

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our country was not like the

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city of the sun that’s how you like such comparisons, the

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builder’s code, the moral code

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was called the construction gizmo and

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actually communism socialism no,

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wait first communism socialism you

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know if I think I read it, because once you

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have to ask some kind of

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party minimum, you read Putin once the

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communist manifesto

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here after all, any sane person will be

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horrified by this communist manifesto because we are talking about the

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destruction of private property and the

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family of the

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national state of

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everything in order to become Putin for so long, the

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fact that he himself is not a poor man and there

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Kovalchuk is also entitled to his full

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share and probably his He’s

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also not going to destroy the first or second family, that’s why

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all that the whole basis of communism

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is a fantastic malicious nonsense that the

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same Lenin tried to implement

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in practice, Milenin

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Zinoviev and Kamenev Stalin,

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you understand to the best of your ability, and so to say that these

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ideas are close to him, these ideas are not important

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these ideas themselves are important; in their embodiment,

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I imagine that they were embodied as

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some respected figure in

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modern Germany, rocks that you know,

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in general, the ideas of National Socialism are

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very close and pleasant to me,

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but their implementation, of course, was far from

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the ideals that were spoken there in the

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nineteenth century so you understand, and even

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who wrote the St. Petersburg mein kampf when the

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student and the power did not have, you

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understand, there is such a check, I would say,

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of course, it was a political corpse in

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Germany in Russia, why she and I’m afraid that I would

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even go to a people’s prison for several years, that’s why

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what it is says

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after here in Russia the communists,

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on behalf of these communist ideas,

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you can argue about whether the embodiment was correct, the

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embodiment was correct, but he

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really called for money to buy

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more, he himself admits that they are all racist on the

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bodies of innocently killed people and say

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at the same time that they were very midi, they were very

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good I like it, it seems to me

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that this is a complete moral

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disaster and a political fiasco

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of a person who said this, yes, you can find

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sympathy in the eyes of other people who

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also have him in the fact that our hands were unclean, but

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for any normal sane

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person these words are of themselves

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are a crime, you

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really can’t talk in a padik,

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hide behind Christianity so that she

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loves it too, by the way, well, you know

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I knew the people who compiled this

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code of the

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ill-fated builder of communism,

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these people really laughed a lot

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that they had a good drink, took the Ten

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Commandments of Moses and shoveled something there

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and this is how it turned out, but you

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understand the

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joke, the ten commandments are the ten commandments,

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first of all, a call to,

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as the Lord said, to love

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your neighbor with all your heart and to love your God,

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and what kind of love is there when

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all these commandments presuppose for the

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builder of communism a fierce hatred of

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all dissenters

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to all people with different views with

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different political values of other

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classes of other convictions, you understand

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proletarian for the dictatorship of the proletariat,

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all these things are impossible and you understand, and

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these things led to the death of a huge

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number of people to the misfortune of the entire country

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to its incredible lag in the

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economy in all of this we say

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cigarette butts Russia there was on the same level as the

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USA, stupidity, all this nonsense, my father

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headed all the surface military forces, as if

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standing in the Soviet Union, he himself

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told me how all the new technologies, the

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same computer technologies, would have to be

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stolen in the United States in order to

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put them on ours ships, we couldn’t produce anything of our

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own in this regard, in terms of new

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things, what

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was really a concern back in the twenties and

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thirties was that the engineers did it well, and even

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our rocket technology is known to be

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rooted in those developments that, in

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many ways, we have in these two memories

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it is described that an

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engineer from a pre-

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revolutionary school was destroyed by Stalin and handed over to the same

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queen, and so on, then something was

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developed with the nuclear ones to

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steal yes yes yes yes

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yes of course there was a show-off quantity and

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a lot of them were stolen in Peenemünde, which means the

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development package of the channel taste could

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clear the drawings that’s what’s important, it means

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there’s a waltz left not by him, so you

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understand, this one doesn’t sing for nightingales in a cage;

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science does

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n’t break down under a dictatorship, but we see now, they

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went to Putin and complained that science was

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n’t developing, if

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they had the opportunity to tell him he told

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us talked about Vladimir Ilyich

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Lenin, but still, you must agree, there is

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some progress, look, he condemned the

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murders of the royal family, Putin didn’t like

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what was there about Dr. Botkin

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for yes, yes, yes, that many people were shot

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for the collapse of the front during the First World

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War, once again ours presented the bill

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to the Bolsheviks This means that the

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Russian leader’s historical education is not hopeless,

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maybe he read some useful book,

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even though there may be half a

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bang and a useful book about it, but unfortunately

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you understand, I’m very sad to see how, in

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general, over these 25 years this person has

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learned little and understood very little at all.

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formerly in the French state

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after the restoration, they lost power,

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she has power, don’t understand,

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they also lost power, it seems, then

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in 1990, that’s why they restored

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power, just then they said that when they came

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to power again before the restoration of ’15,

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they understood nothing, nothing

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these people have learned, too, they didn’t understand anything and

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nothing is better; there’s also another

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interesting story:

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Vladimir Putin criticizes Lenin for

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depression, for this

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anti-state activity

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during the First World War,

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but Stalin has such chemistry here and is really

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used all the time Communist

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Party merit of the Communist Party on who was at the

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head of the komar gallery

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we know that Stalin, yes, it was Brezhnev’s

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times, they liked to say that the

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Communist Party and the Soviet

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government did this and that, but there

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seems to be no Stalin, and here he is arguing

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that a planned economy has

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certain advantages but

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concentrated resources resolved issues

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for healthcare, what is the merit of the

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Communist Party, the formation of industrialization, and

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if it were not for the concentration of general

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state resources, the Soviet Union would

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not be able to prepare for war with

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Nazi Germany, there would be a great

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danger of defeat with catastrophic

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consequences for our

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statehood of the Russian people and

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other peoples of the Soviet Union, therefore

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this all the absolute advantages, that is,

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in fact, this is the Monday of Stalin’s

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grass, and at the same time it is very stupid for a week

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and because it actually says

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that the Russian people and the dietary

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people, which only in the hands of a

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totalitarian leader can do something,

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but for some reason the same in Great Britain are the same

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united the states could fight from

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Germany to Japan without destroying millions of

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their citizens, leaving the

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parliamentary to the party system,

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leaving the freedom of the press, leaving the market

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economy, and the Soviet Alice Russia couldn’t

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why Russia could before and now

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couldn’t, what’s the matter, stupid

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arguments why Sweden could build a

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society with an excellent

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health care and social

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security system and with universal education

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and all of the

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grandchildren, of course, almost such a society

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built more or less the entire

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European Union without any

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totalitarianism without any kind of

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communism without any planned

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economy in this sense, of course there

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were some plans but these were

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advisory plans, they are mandatory, but

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we couldn’t, why did we have to

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oblige to drive millions of

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people into the ground, accept others, drive them into labor at the

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construction site of communism,

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deprive people of everything, live in poverty, which is a waste of

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time to create a state that is an

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order of magnitude poorer with healthcare

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that is an order of magnitude more poor and with education,

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no matter what Mr. Zyuganov says,

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much more imperfect than

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education in most Western countries,

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it seems to me that here

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Putin’s reasoning ignores the

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actual factor of the foreign policy of the

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Soviet Union of Soviet Russia, this is our

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calculation first of the world

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revolution, trying to set it on fire with the help of the

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Comintern, various there including

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terrorist actions like the explosion of the

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cathedral in Sofia to raise a

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communist uprising there and all sorts of

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other riots that they staged, that is,

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what scared Europe and raised a response

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wave of this very

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struggle against the Soviet threat, including

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the Nazi one, yes yes yes, that’s why I’m just

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getting to what I’m getting at here, he completely ignores

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that under a different policy, even

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some kind of socialist government that was not

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Stalinist, there may have been completely

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different options for world development in this

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sense, after all, under a

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different foreign policy of the same

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Putin regime ten years

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ago today we would now have a

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slightly different economic situation, for example, here are

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not the same costs for

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weapons, that is, aggression

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provokes completely different results,

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true

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and of course 10 years ago we were

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members of 8 evidence were very respected with me

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and which had

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prospects for gradual integration into

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structure of the most developed countries of the world I

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drive optical structures and now we are a

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rogue country under the most severe

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sanctions and

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only 100 lethal regimes

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like Iranian or Chinese and

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North Korean are ready to live with us, unfortunately that’s all and

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even quarreled with the Turks to smithereens

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so it was a complete fiasco, both political and

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economic, and it must be said that even Stalin

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played Schoenberg here, he was ready as a

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man himself, he committed an incredible

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crime, but he was still a

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politician, just like they were politicians, although they were

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black politicians, unfortunately now

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we don’t see politics at all, we just see

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mistake after mistake mistakes incredible 5

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for me to the person who studied where

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mine taught where mine missed

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this history of diplomacy is

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also happening now goes beyond the bounds of

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generally reasonable when you hear us

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Ms. Zakharova I just want to

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shut up accessible to her to me in general for

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my colleagues begins Mr. Lavrov and

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before

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Mr. and Churkin, it’s not for them, I’m ashamed,

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I’m ashamed that no one of my colleagues studied with me,

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so they can lie and

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they got away with it, because we’ve always been taught that a

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diplomat doesn’t give warmth, he may not

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speak, he may be silent, you may

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not tell the whole truth but you can’t lie,

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this is the alpha and omega of diplomacy because it’s

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better to have short legs and when I see a

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respected person with a decent

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cultured appearance, once the same

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minister of the front who is swimming when I

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see stockings on beautiful diplomats of

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what is the option when I see

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the lady of the orders that were in I’m

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very, very ashamed professionally for

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these people, it would be better if they refused and

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friends told me, you know, I’m really

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resigning, but I remain unconvinced,

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it would be worthy, it was grace,

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but you won’t wait, I know that you won’t wait, and

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for that I feel even more It’s a shame that

00:19:43

Andrei Zubov is behind her in the radio freedom studio and

00:19:46

another story is also important for

00:19:49

today for understanding the

00:19:52

current Russian government, but

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actually another revelation of Vladimir

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Putin is not so much historical

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as much as ideological, rather

00:20:01

with his concept, his concept of what

00:20:05

actually should unite the

00:20:07

Russian nation Russian people give

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us please we do not have and

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cannot have any other

00:20:14

unifying idea other than patriotism and this is

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exactly what you said now you said both

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officials and business and indeed all

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citizens

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work to make the country

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stronger because if so it will be for

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each of us

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and each citizen, each

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citizen will live better and the prosperity

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will be greater

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and more comfortable, and so on and so

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forth, therefore this is a national idea, it is

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not and is not a carbonated matter, it is not

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connected with the activities of any party

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or or some strata in society, this is

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connected with a common unifying principle,

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if we want to live better,

00:21:00

we need the country to be more

00:21:05

attractive for all citizens and more

00:21:08

efficient

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bureaucrats and the government apparatus and business

00:21:14

should all be more effective, as

00:21:16

you said, we work for the country,

00:21:18

understanding this is something amorphous, as it

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was back in Soviet times,

00:21:23

and that this one is happy with such from the

00:21:26

side of the state, first the country and

00:21:30

then it is unknown who the parties are, these are the people,

00:21:33

in this sense, on the side and and another

00:21:36

idea and we will not come up with and there is no

00:21:39

need to invent it, but maybe really

00:21:42

you didn’t come up with any

00:21:44

national idea of Vladimir Putin even

00:21:46

in this version, especially since

00:21:48

now we see a lot of jokes on the topic of this patriotism,

00:21:51

naturally, as always,

00:21:53

we remembered Saltykov-Shchedrin, and when they

00:21:55

start talking about patriotism in Russia,

00:21:57

you know something was stolen somewhere but

00:22:01

I don’t remember the verse there, if there is any

00:22:03

national idea at all, like Sweden or

00:22:06

Holland or Finland, is it even needed

00:22:08

or such conversations for the poor, do you

00:22:13

know what children’s idea is, it’s an

00:22:18

eidos image, so when there are no dialogues,

00:22:22

zero bathroom idea is clearly needed here

00:22:24

to work for the editor, this is an image and

00:22:27

Vladimir Soloviev once said that what is important is

00:22:29

not what we think about our country, but

00:22:33

what

00:22:36

God thinks about the existence of our people,

00:22:38

well, from the point of view of a philosopher, these are absolutely

00:22:41

correct words because the image of the

00:22:43

people that exists the

00:22:46

highest good of Plato's up to God,

00:22:50

these are ideas,

00:22:52

but of course they are not inventing them for us, and

00:22:58

national ideas are stupid,

00:23:00

too, Putin said, this does not have its own

00:23:04

meaning of windows, but he said that national day is

00:23:08

for people to live better, to live better

00:23:10

oak loft, this is true, I think that if

00:23:13

you ask why the

00:23:15

Swedish state is working there. people lived better,

00:23:17

better, safer provisions, that's

00:23:22

what any state lives for, these are

00:23:24

tools, a refrigerator, a refrigerator, a

00:23:26

functional idea of a refrigerator that

00:23:28

food was well preserved, but there are so

00:23:30

many and we must clearly and completely

00:23:31

say our task is for people to live

00:23:34

better and present some

00:23:37

some criteria, you are better and life

00:23:39

borders, and if you look at these

00:23:41

objective criteria that we have

00:23:44

today, well, actually, I searched that

00:23:47

this is better than what was yesterday due to the

00:23:49

oil golden rain, one began to

00:23:52

evaporate somewhere and the connection with this, a

00:23:55

certain dissatisfaction manifests itself in

00:23:58

people who just yesterday were happy

00:24:00

with that that their welfare there grew

00:24:03

to the point that the Crimea of the neighboring country was

00:24:05

stolen, so here it seems to me that all the

00:24:10

same words with an emphasis on the basis of

00:24:12

patriotism are trying to gloss over knowing

00:24:16

as an essence, well, it’s impossible to make a

00:24:20

claim to the president that he did not

00:24:24

develop patriotism poorly,

00:24:25

understand, but for that that the standard of living there has

00:24:28

fallen, you could have promised one thing,

00:24:30

done something else, but that patriotism is bad

00:24:33

and developed,

00:24:34

you ask the decline for the truth and you

00:24:36

know that patriotism in general is a thing who does

00:24:38

not develop, develop love, you can

00:24:41

cause love, that’s how it is, I

00:24:44

think that yes that yes that not mysticism this is a

00:24:46

misuse of the term

00:24:48

let me like, well, honestly enough

00:24:51

this is a misuse patriotism

00:24:53

and love for the homeland tires love for the

00:24:55

fatherland for the coffins of the fathers, even if not

00:24:57

all the time in the workshops in founded in two

00:24:59

wonderful lines love for one

00:25:01

ashes love for the coffins of the fathers then

00:25:03

this patriotism what is your name she

00:25:05

can be and be and something can be

00:25:08

insensitive to this from your

00:25:10

fatherland you can love it but what does it mean

00:25:14

for a politician, especially for the president of a

00:25:16

country to love the fatherland it means

00:25:19

giving all of yourself so that people live

00:25:21

better the fatherland is like he is obviously scouts

00:25:24

people are not some kind of like him someone

00:25:26

cunning words of rocks regarding

00:25:28

Soviet patriotism this is of course not a

00:25:30

state these are people these are people people

00:25:33

now live better developed the war in

00:25:35

Ukraine

00:25:36

the war in Syria and mbonga

00:25:40

sanctions that these

00:25:43

senseless military adventures brought upon themselves and all this

00:25:46

gave people a better life, of course the worst,

00:25:49

we live worse and worse, they are better and better,

00:25:52

so Putin is no patriot, the man

00:25:54

is responsible for governing the country, he

00:25:58

made the answer himself, you understand, he

00:26:01

did everything so that he had no competitors

00:26:03

in the elections both in the eighth year and in the

00:26:05

twelfth year. in the end, he

00:26:09

seized power, in the end, the young people live

00:26:14

well and their conscience does not torment them,

00:26:16

but what people feel for people is getting worse and worse, and it

00:26:20

seems to me that this is to show that

00:26:23

he is not a patriot at all,

00:26:24

fatherly globes, he does not like the love of

00:26:27

one point, the ashes are the hearth, I will remind you

00:26:30

he doesn’t have it, he has an incredible

00:26:34

desire to excel, lust for power,

00:26:38

ambition so that President Obama

00:26:41

is considered the main one, like the once

00:26:43

united state, they considered the

00:26:45

Soviet Union under the Cold War to be their

00:26:48

equal, this is what he wants, what price is

00:26:51

paid for it, how people suffer for it,

00:26:54

how Soviet times were everything sneeze

00:26:55

fell in love with how Soviet people live, so

00:26:58

now unfortunately the Russian people are male I’ll

00:27:00

go, this is not patriotism at all and it’s

00:27:02

painfully sad to look at it

00:27:05

because the same

00:27:07

Putin could have been a completely different politician and

00:27:10

he started off well when he spoke about the

00:27:13

single space of Europe from

00:27:16

Vladivostok to Lisbon. some

00:27:19

good things when he was received by the

00:27:21

British Queen when we arranged

00:27:23

such a magnificent state of Beziers

00:27:26

where did it all go why did he sell it all

00:27:29

for political adventures for

00:27:33

illegal retention of power and in the end he will

00:27:36

disgrace himself it’s not very

00:27:39

painful and it’s a pity for the bubbles the man doesn’t feel

00:27:41

sorry for him for of course all the other people

00:27:44

who suffer for him and are hit

00:27:47

by this senseless propaganda, it’s not even

00:27:49

more a pity that our colleague Evgeny Latsev

00:27:52

I wrote so for you sent a question

00:27:55

is the new farmer formulation of the

00:27:58

Russian nation of the idea that they say let

00:28:00

everyone cultivate their own garden and everyone work together

00:28:03

hidden a signal of moral and political

00:28:06

demobilization, there is no Russian world,

00:28:09

there is no holy Russia in the world and

00:28:12

death is red, well, you know, if so

00:28:16

give it to me, it seems to me that

00:28:18

Mr. Putin himself, when he said everything

00:28:22

that he said about patriotism, judging

00:28:25

even by his face, he did not have such

00:28:27

profound ideas and didn’t have such deep

00:28:30

thoughts, if they were, it would already be

00:28:32

very good because in fact,

00:28:35

allowing people to develop their business,

00:28:38

their business, their lives, this is already a great

00:28:42

rejection of totalitarianism, you understand, and this is

00:28:46

from this and gradually builds a

00:28:48

civil nation, but to Unfortunately, you know, there are

00:28:50

attempts to impose taxes on

00:28:53

dog groomers and some

00:28:56

tutors, and then there will be a rollback at the

00:28:59

United Russia Congress, where the agate bears are, no, we’ll

00:29:01

wait three years for this small garage

00:29:04

business, we won’t destroy this, this is how

00:29:05

it all looks funny,

00:29:07

you know, first we threaten later

00:29:12

Let's have mercy, in my opinion, there are concerns here, the

00:29:14

development of even such private

00:29:16

entrepreneurship is big, no, you

00:29:19

know,

00:29:20

half the work is still going on for a long time, there are no worries, there is who and

00:29:23

who and who is talking

00:29:25

Medvedev because we are the people, we are the

00:29:28

people, we have deprived people of the opportunity

00:29:30

to form legislative bodies and in

00:29:33

my place at not at the national level,

00:29:36

but these elections were turned into a complete farce,

00:29:38

local governments were curtailed and then

00:29:41

they say

00:29:42

who we are, we piled this on behalf of the party,

00:29:44

they are chasing

00:29:46

an anecdote on behalf of themselves, here we are,

00:29:50

Nicholas II said this, flexible, he was an

00:29:51

autocratic melter there until 6 5 years

00:29:54

and could have said this then

00:29:57

modern people say that supposedly the president and

00:29:59

prime minister of

00:30:00

the governor there and the deputy are actually

00:30:03

impostors, then of course it smells very bad,

00:30:06

it sounds very bad,

00:30:08

give people the opportunity to develop

00:30:10

their country for the sake of fair elections,

00:30:12

organize self-government, let’s

00:30:14

see what it’s like what will be the fate of

00:30:17

small businesses, the

00:30:19

same dogs, hairdressers,

00:30:21

entrepreneurs and everyone else,

00:30:22

I think everything will turn out completely differently,

00:30:25

and here these people who wrote down

00:30:27

the authorities, they give what they want,

00:30:29

today I’ll give it tomorrow, I’ll take it, what is it,

00:30:32

you understand in this situation, guys no longer

00:30:35

communism, not Bolshevism, not some kind of

00:30:37

socialist idea, which, as

00:30:41

it turns out, you love state control,

00:30:43

Putin loves, but all of this is missing, but

00:30:47

general control by people

00:30:51

who, in general, when they have the

00:30:53

authority to act as controllers, and

00:30:55

this, as we see, is not at all beneficial

00:31:00

our society is not at all patriotic,

00:31:03

it turns out to be not prosperous at all, and

00:31:07

why does Russia have all these people, all these

00:31:10

people go to get treatment themselves and send their

00:31:12

wives and children

00:31:13

to be treated in Germany, in Switzerland, to give birth

00:31:17

there in the United States,

00:31:19

why not with us, why can’t we

00:31:23

get good results? medicine

00:31:25

why do their children study at Western

00:31:28

universities why don’t

00:31:30

they study with us why Nastya turns out

00:31:33

good he has an education

00:31:35

why these people buy Western cars

00:31:38

and drive Volvo Mercedes then we

00:31:42

will start nothing and not in our cars in

00:31:45

our cars the Russians

00:31:48

only use jihad taxis, but

00:31:52

only they are used already, why is everything like this,

00:31:55

why are we buying Western TV and

00:31:58

Western forces, and so on, here as

00:32:01

we bought, they were shown by sir, it got worse, it got

00:32:04

much worse, so do you understand

00:32:07

all this talk about patriotism and not a

00:32:09

penny low, you know, but I have

00:32:12

this one the thought arose perhaps

00:32:14

perhaps

00:32:15

the idea of patriotism before this is an attempt to

00:32:19

divide

00:32:20

Russians, there are real patriots

00:32:23

who follow power for a united Russia,

00:32:25

and there are anti-patriots who are engaged in

00:32:28

some kind of subversive activities,

00:32:30

criticism is everything and we decided to check this matter,

00:32:32

so our correspondent

00:32:35

talked with Muscovites actually

00:32:39

those who criticize the government are patriots or

00:32:41

not, let's see and listen

00:32:43

whether critics of the government and Putin are

00:32:45

patriots of Russia, I believe that there

00:32:48

should always be adequate criticism, the question is simply

00:32:51

in its adequacy, just

00:32:53

anyone can criticize, it’s not difficult,

00:32:55

it’s from the supply of energy from the supply of how

00:32:59

simple it is nothing we haven’t been because

00:33:01

the money is paid

00:33:02

like for the swamp, the same

00:33:05

money and paying for everything, I think it’s not

00:33:08

like April patriots, patriots with

00:33:11

patriots, because it’s impossible to do otherwise

00:33:14

if we don’t criticize society,

00:33:17

actually, I don’t know where we’ll slide, it

00:33:19

seems to me one of the necessary parts of

00:33:23

patriotic education is to see the

00:33:25

shortcomings in their country and strive

00:33:28

to correct them, of course,

00:33:30

because they wish only good for Russia, they have their

00:33:33

own view of these things on metacriticism,

00:33:35

they have their own work, and they seem to be

00:33:38

doing their job; they criticize it is not

00:33:41

clear what will talk about it is not clear what

00:33:43

but in principle how everything stood and remains in

00:33:45

place patriots Russia cannot

00:33:47

be is not simply not patriots of

00:33:48

the authorities I like what the authorities are doing

00:33:50

for example at the moment they are

00:33:52

patriots of Russia

00:33:53

because you understand if there is a Vlasnik not

00:33:56

to criticize us what will always

00:33:58

happen is what is happening with us,

00:34:00

of course they are,

00:34:01

but they have the right to criticism and it has

00:34:03

nothing to do with patriotism and for non-

00:34:05

patriotism, patriotism is the people who are

00:34:07

here, our opposition, they have their

00:34:09

own plans

00:34:11

and to make money from this, they still

00:34:13

want to make money the authorities are waiting not

00:34:15

only to remove that patriots, but every

00:34:17

person has the right to his own personal

00:34:19

opinion, I believe that a non-patriot who

00:34:21

criticizes should respect his leader, but I am

00:34:24

sure that critics of the authorities are Peter,

00:34:26

this is a Jason virus, criticism for mercy, and that

00:34:30

Yasopp works for patriotism, I am in love with a

00:34:33

specific person in love in general, it’s a

00:34:36

kind of

00:34:38

chance a lot from Christmas circles

00:34:41

you give the group what is your comment

00:34:44

on the survey actually I liked

00:34:46

most people said very

00:34:48

reasonable things we were lucky I think I think

00:34:51

that you are not lucky life gradually teaches

00:34:54

people the nose there are those who

00:35:00

always praise the authorities never criticize her

00:35:02

actions the bosses are not closed until it

00:35:04

is called yes yes yes and even then they speak

00:35:06

openly but it is called everyone called

00:35:10

compromisers compromisers and

00:35:13

collaborators who are ready to

00:35:16

cooperate no matter what it is, a

00:35:18

real patriot of

00:35:19

course is a person who is sick of

00:35:22

his the country and rob something wrong,

00:35:24

trying to fix it or trying

00:35:27

to explain how to fix it, it’s

00:35:29

completely obvious and in Russia there have always

00:35:31

been many such people in the 19th century in the 20th

00:35:35

century, and

00:35:37

I know with you that during the civil

00:35:40

war there were people who were thwarted by the

00:35:42

Bolsheviks In business, the white movement

00:35:44

did not fight for their rights, but for the rights of the entire

00:35:47

people, so it seems to me that now,

00:35:50

just when the government is making mistake after

00:35:52

mistake, dragging the country into a

00:35:55

funnel and searching for a national tragedy,

00:35:59

then in this situation the nickname of the authorities,

00:36:03

even if the one punished by the authorities is us a

00:36:06

truly courageous manifestation of

00:36:09

his love for the fatherland, these are the words

00:36:12

tragedy, to be honest, I was scared,

00:36:14

what could be even worse? Do you think

00:36:17

Russia once a hundred years ago, it

00:36:20

was rolling there under the cities, there was a war,

00:36:23

then another war, then one revolution,

00:36:27

a surge of optimism and then, so to speak,

00:36:30

another revolution, another war and

00:36:33

catastrophe after catastrophe, are we

00:36:35

really sliding down the same road

00:36:39

there, some kind of potassium leads straight, how am

00:36:41

I even a reluctant historian, and it seems

00:36:45

like it’s worth professionally loving a historical clip for a long time,

00:36:47

but I don’t like this one I

00:36:50

believe that a person always has

00:36:52

free will and can always

00:36:54

choose his own path, and from the efforts of even a

00:36:59

minority, but conscious and deep, it

00:37:01

ultimately depends on where

00:37:04

society will turn, and the country,

00:37:07

objectively speaking, may be, and just

00:37:11

like at the beginning of the 20th century, there are many

00:37:14

signs this and moreover, our

00:37:16

starting positions are much worse than at the

00:37:19

beginning of the 20th century, when there had already been half a century of

00:37:23

liberal-democratic reforms,

00:37:25

real capitalism was being formed,

00:37:28

real private property

00:37:31

to peasant land ownership of 89

00:37:34

percent before arable land in

00:37:36

European Russia was in the hands of peasants,

00:37:38

that is, there was much more data in

00:37:41

order for Russia to rise,

00:37:43

now the situation is after a 70-year

00:37:46

Soviet nightmare with negative

00:37:49

genetic selection, as it were, and even then,

00:37:52

in 25 years, how many smart, worthy people

00:37:55

have left the country,

00:37:56

our situation is very difficult, and in this

00:38:00

sense, we can die much easier on

00:38:02

the basis of much more ground than a hundred

00:38:06

years ago, and only great very efforts of

00:38:12

conscious people can help Russia

00:38:16

stay and gradually begin

00:38:18

to recover, in power there are, I

00:38:22

would say, incompetent players, simply

00:38:24

adventurers, and because of this, every day

00:38:30

we take not a step from the abyss, like

00:38:32

blades, and it’s more and more terrible and painful to look

00:38:35

at what is happening literally today

00:38:39

they are transferring this launch to a Korean missile

00:38:44

and again he is blaming some parts, the most

00:38:47

important component from the missile

00:38:50

somehow ended up in Russia

00:38:53

1st news Russia has decided to hand over refugees

00:38:55

fleeing from this totalitarian regime

00:38:57

to the North Koreans

00:38:59

I would like to go in parallel, is there an

00:39:01

agreement? As for these

00:39:03

components, this has not yet been proven, although it is

00:39:05

very similar to the truth,

00:39:07

it didn’t even need to be proven, the

00:39:09

corresponding agreement was signed, clause

00:39:12

January 3, 7, to change and this is not just

00:39:17

outrageous,

00:39:18

it’s terrible, it’s terrible because

00:39:22

people fled from the Soviet Union who

00:39:25

could not stand it totalitarian

00:39:26

oppression and they weren’t extradited and they weren’t

00:39:31

extradited to Finland, and they weren’t extradited to other European countries;

00:39:34

Turkey didn’t extradite them and then,

00:39:37

unfortunately, they extradited them. By the way, you know, it was even more

00:39:39

difficult there, so that they were given formally,

00:39:42

but they helped in every possible way to move on

00:39:44

to Sweden, but informally, but here we are with

00:39:48

this disgusting

00:39:50

North Korean regime, a regime that

00:39:53

even none of the people in Russia

00:39:56

like you, we signed

00:39:59

an agreement, thereby dooming those

00:40:02

few who were able to cross Russia to the

00:40:06

North Korean border to torment, so this

00:40:08

agreement is another crime of the

00:40:12

current regime, where is all this Korea

00:40:15

then even before the crime of the current

00:40:18

Russian regime, well, let’s ask

00:40:20

questions from the listeners then, for example, she

00:40:23

asks, it’s

00:40:24

interesting to know the opinion of Andrei Borisovich at the

00:40:27

Orthodox Cathedral and there was the

00:40:29

issue of a meeting between the Pope and the head of the

00:40:33

Russian Orthodox Church, what is this all, what are the new

00:40:35

diplomatic maneuvers of the regime,

00:40:37

I think that this is to a greater extent

00:40:41

but first everyone keeps an eye on themselves in general,

00:40:43

thank you God, this regime has nothing to do with our regime,

00:40:46

this is a truly remarkable

00:40:48

event for the Orthodox Church that for the first time

00:40:52

in my opinion in more than a thousand years a

00:40:56

council of all Orthodox churches is taking place, everything

00:41:00

ended with the seventh ecumenical council,

00:41:01

as we know, in my opinion this is the eighth century and

00:41:04

now here it is again, and

00:41:07

representatives of all churches will gather; there are a lot of

00:41:09

questions about who needs to be discussed; they have accumulated,

00:41:12

as LKM guesses, yes, but it’s like

00:41:16

such a point, both are politically relevant, but

00:41:18

there are a lot of questions and

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00:41:22

calendar issues and there in relation to

00:41:26

admission to the sacraments and so on and so

00:41:28

on and so on there are a lot of important

00:41:30

interests, it would be good to discuss the issue of visits,

00:41:32

and the fact that this council is meeting

00:41:36

the word of God and I think it’s very good for us to

00:41:39

visit so that a decision is made to

00:41:42

convene it in Cyprus and there in Kiev, including the

00:41:47

Patriarchate, was accepted participation now

00:41:50

regarding the meeting with the pope in Havana and well,

00:41:55

you know this, I think in many respects the desire of the

00:41:59

Russian church to also get out of

00:42:03

this parochial isolation a little, all the

00:42:06

other churches are Orthodox and the

00:42:08

Ecumenical

00:42:10

Patriarchate of Constantinople, everyone else

00:42:12

they are very constantly regular sexual

00:42:14

encounters with the Roman throne, we

00:42:18

have not met never never during the entire

00:42:21

existence of the Moscow Patriarchate, I

00:42:23

remember that this is the end of the 16th century, the era of

00:42:27

Fedorovich and Boris Godunov, how

00:42:30

Peter Hahn was created, here is

00:42:32

Constant’s blessing of the Patriarchate mini 2 and we have

00:42:36

never met, you know, this is nonsense

00:42:38

2 of the largest churches in the world in terms of the

00:42:41

number of people in charge Orthodox

00:42:44

Russian and Roman Catholic they didn’t

00:42:46

avoid meeting, it’s high

00:42:47

time to meet long ago falling

00:42:50

and making it regular at all and it’s sad

00:42:53

that Vladyka Hilarion, the head of the

00:42:55

Department for External Church Relations, said

00:42:56

that they would pray together, how

00:42:59

else could we pray to the same God, why wo

00:43:02

n’t we pray together this is also

00:43:04

absurd and fearful insurance of our

00:43:07

own Orthodox people

00:43:09

who consider, as in the 15th century, apparently

00:43:12

Catholics as people with dog heads,

00:43:15

but someone needs to sit completely

00:43:17

differently, naturally there is a question

00:43:20

about Ukraine, as if in your opinion

00:43:22

events are developing

00:43:25

Moreover, with the Crimea there is such an

00:43:28

incomprehensible story: some

00:43:30

opposition politicians say that they should

00:43:32

give it up right away, others there talk about the referendum,

00:43:35

you have an opinion on this topic,

00:43:39

since you suffered for it before you left, I

00:43:42

believe that I did not suffer, but on the contrary,

00:43:44

I gained, you know, I gained freedom,

00:43:47

so I Now I enjoy that I’m

00:43:49

free, I speak freely because

00:43:53

I would remain good, of course I quickly thought

00:43:55

that I can say that I can’t say

00:43:57

so sometimes

00:43:59

something please in acquiring

00:44:02

much more than I don’t sacrifice anything so

00:44:05

that I actually not only don’t

00:44:08

judge here my choice for myself is one thing

00:44:11

I bless that my choice this one hundred

00:44:13

essence of my actions which, in general,

00:44:17

led to my current situation

00:44:19

thank you God, but as for the

00:44:22

Crimea, I am one of those opposition

00:44:24

politicians who are very considered important and

00:44:27

the owl of the Duma in I’ve written articles on this several

00:44:29

times already, literally today I gave a big

00:44:32

interview to Unian where I again explained all the

00:44:35

positions, I won’t explain this

00:44:37

time now, but of course we must, the first thing we

00:44:40

need to do is recognize the

00:44:42

jurisdiction of Ukraine over the Crimea, and then there’s

00:44:46

a referendum and how and what’s big

00:44:49

for the year but to know there is still such a vivid

00:44:53

discussion with the participation of

00:44:55

democratic Russian politicians and a

00:44:57

number of Ukrainian publicists, politicians, but a

00:45:00

colleague of the tailors, others,

00:45:03

they say that all Russian citizens are

00:45:05

guilty for Ukraine, they should have studied for the

00:45:08

attack on Ukraine, they should have a

00:45:10

sense of guilt, moral responsibility, what do

00:45:12

you think? you yourself feel

00:45:14

responsible for the incident, no, I

00:45:18

believe that I fought with all my might to prevent

00:45:21

this from happening and to stop it and

00:45:24

did everything that I could as a citizen,

00:45:27

you understand and I think that any person

00:45:30

who has been actively fighting against this

00:45:34

policy of the regime for a year has no guilt in

00:45:37

what happened why it’s also the fault of the

00:45:42

one who took part in the crime either

00:45:45

actively or while I have a passive 1 the one

00:45:49

who yelled and rejoiced gauges Crimea is ours

00:45:51

I made a mistake Crimea is yours so I don’t

00:45:55

feel guilty maybe this is what I’m

00:45:59

telling you just how to get into the spirit I am a

00:46:01

Christian,

00:46:02

I will attract such a one and we will weave above the

00:46:03

coven that I have in my head, I

00:46:06

have no consciousness of my guilt, it hurts me very much

00:46:09

that I belong to that people, a

00:46:11

significant part of which, most

00:46:14

of which brought great suffering to the

00:46:17

Ukrainian people, but personally I don’t

00:46:20

feel I think that if you asked

00:46:24

Dietrich bahnhof he feels his personal

00:46:27

guilt for the Nazi regime he became

00:46:30

Abel’s grandfather brother knelt down big anisa

00:46:34

participated in no diet let’s say that’s

00:46:37

another thing I would kneel down and I

00:46:41

wrote this to stand in front of these

00:46:44

unfortunate

00:46:45

dead go to the mutilated Ukrainian

00:46:48

people during this war, knelt

00:46:51

down like a Russian person, but not so much

00:46:55

asking for forgiveness for their crimes

00:46:58

as expressing the staples for their suffering,

00:47:02

you understand there is a certain subtlety in this,

00:47:05

although in your opinion why did

00:47:08

it disappear from the political field from the language

00:47:11

by the way from Putin? all this new Russia

00:47:14

now this Russian world everything means these

00:47:17

were such phantoms, so they disappeared

00:47:20

into space and now the

00:47:22

holy place of battle this series of Assyria, as

00:47:28

you noticed, they are fighting there,

00:47:32

they really are fighting in big ways, but they don’t talk about it much

00:47:35

if you paid attention to this

00:47:37

Nowadays they don’t say much, and they even express

00:47:40

dissatisfaction that they fight badly, by

00:47:41

the way, so this place was said a lot

00:47:47

about Ukraine and about Crimea, this is a

00:47:50

holy place and that for us this is all

00:47:52

that without knowing the Temple Mount in Jerusalem

00:47:54

for the Jews

00:47:55

everything was said, but you understand Is it all

00:47:59

this Novorossiysk theme, all these ideas

00:48:03

that Zhirinovsky most clearly voiced all the time

00:48:05

about the division of Ukraine between

00:48:08

Europe and us,

00:48:09

remember there was such a conversation, all this

00:48:11

was covered with a copper basin,

00:48:13

she drowned, she drowned once given Russia

00:48:16

and drowned, nothing worked out now

00:48:19

and Crimea, a lot of politicians 1 rank per

00:48:22

hour, so in conversations with me, the Russians

00:48:24

say that the Crimea is a suitcase without a handle,

00:48:27

you understand, and the Donbass, especially Davy, is

00:48:30

not a suitcase even at all 1 and 1 maybe a

00:48:33

handle, so he doesn’t know how to

00:48:36

get rid of it because it’s clear that until

00:48:39

you get rid of it, you

00:48:40

will fall down sanctions will

00:48:42

continue, it was recently confirmed by

00:48:45

the West that without the return of Crimea to anyone

00:48:49

and how very and sanctions HIV to be it and the

00:48:51

authorities remain means relying on

00:48:54

people like Kadyrov,

00:48:57

I don’t even know who the pirates are, yes, I ca

00:49:01

n’t imagine at all I understand a clear

00:49:03

operation like Kadyrov, well there with

00:49:06

Kadyrov for a barrel, a certain

00:49:08

agreement that allows him

00:49:10

to control Chechnya,

00:49:11

do not do what he wants, but for this,

00:49:14

Chechnya remains part of the Russian

00:49:16

Federation, there are no military actions, but he

00:49:18

expresses the ball in terms of murderers, yes yes yes

00:49:25

yes, and it seems to me that these cries of

00:49:29

Kadyrov are one of the really even more

00:49:32

will disavow even more will allow the

00:49:36

federal government because in the

00:49:39

end, you see, it’s not some

00:49:41

person behind the wall who says it, but it’s the head who’s saying it,

00:49:45

not the subjects of the federation appointed by the

00:49:48

president, assigned to Putin, if Putin

00:49:51

allows a person to say such things,

00:49:53

filming periodically, either with a

00:49:56

rifle or with pistols, and speak

00:49:59

various nonsense it means he is kinder

00:50:03

and this allows him to correspond to strength

00:50:05

before he is drawn with this and if we

00:50:07

implement this, then it seems to me that he will

00:50:09

only get himself so I think that

00:50:13

Mr. Kadyrov

00:50:15

is doing a disservice to Mr.

00:50:18

Putin in 7 these things and even with murder

00:50:21

Nemtsov punished the twins and keep the favor

00:50:24

by the way, I’m here asking us such a

00:50:27

philosophical question and Rustem is interested in

00:50:29

the history of Russia, this is really history and

00:50:32

branches that one can say cannot be lived like that

00:50:35

or there was something in it that can be passed on to

00:50:38

other peoples as a positive thing,

00:50:41

we pass it on, God we pass it on Peter

00:50:44

Ilyich Tchaikovsky with Sergeevich Pushkin

00:50:46

Phil Mikhailovich Dostoevsky Dmitry Ivanovich

00:50:48

and Mendeleev yes

00:50:50

we convey a lot yes Russian seasons in Paris

00:50:52

Diaghilev and culture and science and art

00:50:55

and philosophy there was

00:50:56

a lot that could be conveyed there were moments in

00:50:59

Russian history

00:51:01

not bad not bad not everything was varnish,

00:51:04

it seems to me for example that the entry of

00:51:08

Russian troops into Paris in 1814 is

00:51:11

truly a glorious page of history

00:51:13

because no one was raped,

00:51:16

no one was robbed, they restored the dynasty, they

00:51:18

gave a constitution that Louis 18 himself did not want,

00:51:21

Alexander will get it, you forced

00:51:25

him to adopt a constitution, so there were some

00:51:29

good moments in Russian history, and even

00:51:31

great ones the reforms, with all the reservations, in

00:51:34

general, were rather a glorious moment -

00:51:36

crystal and the same year 1612, so I

00:51:42

think in Russia there is something I already

00:51:47

teach others there, as they say, let

00:51:50

them be different, let them see for themselves what

00:51:53

to take, what not to take, what we need what we don’t

00:51:55

need, but we have something to remember and with

00:51:59

gratitude

00:52:00

about our ancestors, but of course there is still a lot of

00:52:03

why you feel a sense of shame and

00:52:07

sins, yes it’s saving 7 right, we beg you

00:52:11

remember the guns, it’s sad that you know about

00:52:14

sins all the time with exceptions like

00:52:16

today’s conversation,

00:52:19

Vladimir Putin’s speech then all the time some

00:52:22

people succumb to clichés, here’s how to

00:52:27

fight them with these clichés, all this

00:52:30

industrialization of collectors,

00:52:32

preparation there for resistance, and so on, that’s also

00:52:35

not the case, especially since these clichés evoke

00:52:38

an echo because that’s what the fathers taught, that’s how

00:52:41

the fathers understood about they said these words

00:52:43

that immediately cause a

00:52:45

positive psychological reaction

00:52:46

as a turn of honest history, when we

00:52:49

wrote this two-volume history of Russia 20th

00:52:51

century which you know Mihai Vladimir

00:52:54

accounting you are trying to

00:52:55

show the honest history of Asi that there was

00:52:57

really industrialization and

00:52:59

collectivization you are going like Stalin and We

00:53:03

managed to get to the bottom of it; it’s not for me to judge, but

00:53:06

only in this way, in general, they fight lies with

00:53:09

only one method and not another with lies,

00:53:12

payment, and this is a weapon in which

00:53:15

lies are powerless, so the question is how

00:53:18

to reach the masses with enlightenment in the conditions of

00:53:22

this total body propaganda, and this is the

00:53:24

most difficult thing, but there is the Internet, there is a lot

00:53:27

and that in general there is no need to lose heart and lay down your

00:53:29

arms, you really should

00:53:31

always use your weapons, the last moment

00:53:34

in this I’m speaking now, asking

00:53:37

listeners how where I spoke in a new

00:53:39

newspaper speaking regularly 2 times a month

00:53:42

in the lecture hall direct speech of this lecture on the

00:53:45

history of religions and I give a lot of lectures at

00:53:49

different venues and abroad in Russia

00:53:51

and sometimes I write on Facebook so I do

00:53:55

n’t lose heart

00:53:57

and work as best I can, thanks today at the

00:54:01

Radio Liberty studio

00:54:02

we had Andrei Zub in Doctor of

00:54:05

Historical Sciences, professor, a

00:54:07

wonderful historian, well, I’m with you

00:54:10

I say goodbye hosted by Mikhail Sokolov and

00:54:12

good bye to you

00:54:14

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