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philosophy from ancient times, primarily those00:00:08
What00:00:09
medieval philosophy is based on00:00:11
faith we remember that in antiquity00:00:16
philosophy was absolutely free and00:00:18
religious issues00:00:21
namely religion as a cult as a creed00:00:25
not just the existence of God or00:00:29
divine world idea00:00:31
which of course was raised by Plato00:00:33
and Aristotle and Plotinus and so on and00:00:38
it is religion with its diversity with00:00:41
cult with doctrinal principles and00:00:44
other questions from ancient philosophers00:00:47
weren't interested00:00:49
they were kind of on the sidelines, but00:00:53
philosophy was absolutely free00:00:56
absolutely regardless of anything00:00:59
medieval philosophy is philosophy00:01:01
religious in the sense that it00:01:05
doesn't question faith00:01:09
teacher on and position00:01:12
on the contrary, it is based on them as00:01:15
axioms as well as dogma does not matter00:01:18
Is a Christian a Jew or a Muslim?00:01:24
it is clear that philosophy can only be00:01:25
where God is alone in the field then Izmir00:01:30
Polytheism cannot give rise to philosophy00:01:34
Well, I won’t repeat in detail what00:01:37
I said in the preface00:01:39
the lecture you listened to00:01:42
who are not the words that I preface00:01:45
the teachings of Philo of Alexandria00:01:49
I will repeat one more interesting thought00:01:52
that although religious philosophy can00:01:57
be both in the peasantry and in Judaism00:02:00
and so and with oars00:02:02
but nevertheless development and support00:02:06
philosophy finds only Christianity00:02:09
specifics of Islam and Judaism as religions00:02:14
does not accept the philosophical belt00:02:20
philosophical search implies doubt00:02:24
and we read our Apostle Paul that everything00:02:27
that I won’t believe it’s a sin, it seems like doubt00:02:31
This is also not welcome here for00:02:34
Christians are encouraged to have strong faith00:02:38
faith as confidence in the invisible remember00:02:41
yes this is the definition of faith that gives00:02:44
the apostle paul in his epistle to the hebrews 11 1100:02:50
chapter 1 verse faith is substance00:02:52
of the expected and confidence in the invisible00:02:57
confidence such as comments00:03:00
let's say Saint John Chrysostom00:03:03
such amazing words as impossible00:03:05
don't believe what appears00:03:08
it’s so impossible not to believe the invisible00:03:12
just as I am sure of your existence00:03:15
that's exactly how I need to be sure00:03:18
the existence of angels and god therefore00:03:22
faith is complex00:03:26
such and most importantly an undoubted act00:03:31
human activity but nevertheless00:03:34
nevertheless his philosophy00:03:37
Christianity is welcome and even00:03:39
doubts for what and in order to have faith00:03:43
strengthen00:03:45
and we can doubt like you because00:03:48
childish and for fun, but00:03:50
Let's say there is no God, but here we come00:03:54
to any kind of contradictory paradox00:03:56
difficulties and so on so you00:03:59
you see, ours is like this00:04:02
hypothetical position hypothetical00:04:07
the recognition that there is no God leads us00:04:10
on the contrary, even more every00:04:13
This is the position of Christianity00:04:17
therefore, from the earliest fathers as00:04:20
justin philosopher how did you know and00:04:23
ending with modern religious00:04:26
philosophers here is an interesting fact00:04:28
even if you and I studied history00:04:30
philosophy until today you also00:04:33
would see that in the modern world00:04:37
Christian philosophers, well, the overwhelming number00:04:41
philosophers meet00:04:43
Jews Martin Buber 20th century00:04:48
Hermann Cohen in the 19th century but that's it00:04:53
Jews are not Jews00:04:54
there are a lot of Jews, Karl Marx is a hybrid00:04:57
Spinoza is Jewish but they are not religious00:05:00
thinkers00:05:01
Jews00:05:02
so I called 200:05:04
famous great philosophers00:05:07
and all and perhaps even for Muslims00:05:10
and there is not a single philosopher00:05:14
there is a euro, there are Europeans who are there00:05:17
sometimes some some like this00:05:24
interest in Islam is shown but among themselves00:05:28
there are no Muslim philosophers00:05:31
confirms what I said00:05:33
so we're mainly talking about00:05:36
religious philosophy00:05:38
We’re only talking about Christians, but here’s an example00:05:41
Yes, Philo of Alexandria is very interesting00:05:44
deep thinker suggested00:05:47
an unusual method of interpreting the sacred00:05:49
scriptures but who accepted this method00:05:52
Christians00:05:54
and the Jews rejected him and said no, it’s not00:05:57
he's ours, we don't play like that, we read00:06:00
holy scripture literally what is it00:06:03
allegory what philosophy what plato00:06:06
no no in any case but Justin00:06:10
the philosopher on the contrary, as you remember, says00:06:13
that everything00:06:15
Yes, those who searched for the truth are Christians00:06:19
although even there he considers them to be atheists, but00:06:22
they were learning00:06:23
the truth and therefore they are Christians and those00:06:27
who lived according to the truth00:06:30
In general, Christians are like00:06:32
Heraclitus and Socrates therefore the main line00:06:37
Christian thought it follows the path00:06:42
Justina philosopher not tatiana not his00:06:45
the student who rejected philosophy and00:06:49
I fell into it myself, this is the preface00:06:53
which00:06:58
rule of the poles and what is a was mine00:07:01
there were coins and brush but he didn’t notice00:07:03
Alla Vladimirovna was very good00:07:06
Maimonides was and brush00:07:08
but what is the reaction to abbey need and00:07:11
Maimonides Jewish and Islamic00:07:15
the public must have been encroached upon00:07:18
several times for the terrible enemy of Islam00:07:21
how do philosophers write about him in general?00:07:25
writes al-ghazali00:07:27
the most authority to this day00:07:29
Islamic thinker00:07:32
this is worse than atheists, you understand worse00:07:36
and tennis to say that there is no God is nonsense00:07:38
this is understandable and anyone can understand it00:07:39
when there is no god but the guys have gone crazy00:07:42
and these say that God exists, but he00:07:44
so they understand Aristotle00:07:48
from here it follows that what in general00:07:51
Allah did not create the world according to Aristotle00:07:54
eternal until Sunday is impossible because00:07:58
that this is contrary to the laws of nature00:08:01
they're really taking away00:08:04
atheists in this case are much less00:08:06
enemies than philosophers the same from00:08:10
Jewish thought00:08:12
Jewish thought of the time in the 12th century00:08:15
It’s also very interesting and would be on the coat of arms00:08:17
the role of Moses Maimonides00:08:19
it’s like everyone’s bead and00:08:23
found found his al-ghazali00:08:27
so on Moses Maimonides or precisely00:08:31
hebi role there is a ben-halevi on00:08:37
same orthodox Jew00:08:39
who speaks alone00:08:40
proof of the truth of existence00:08:43
God's covenant marks00:08:45
essay old testament how they are of course00:08:47
called the history of the people of Israel00:08:51
God revealed himself to Abraham and the scribbler Jacob00:08:54
what other philosophical reflections do you have?00:08:56
needed you don't believe in the god of abraham isaac00:08:59
and Jacob00:09:01
what kind of Jews are you? what kind of Jews are you?00:09:04
you see00:09:06
but in Christianity it’s the other way around and Maimonides00:09:10
and and read together and translate into harmony and00:09:14
the truth does not matter where the truth is said00:09:17
a Muslim or a Jew at home00:09:20
we say to the pagans even as an atheist00:09:23
Now00:09:24
if it's true it's true here00:09:27
your question is very revealing00:09:31
exactly that's it00:09:33
besides, here is that very short period00:09:36
heyday of Islamic philosophy when Islam00:09:39
I have never been so powerful yet, but00:09:42
somewhere around 9 10 11 centuries all00:09:46
rebekah and then comes powerful00:09:50
Muslim theologians led by00:09:53
al-ghazali and others and they gave everything enough00:09:58
there is freedom to reason based on how00:10:02
al-ghazali00:10:03
Ishida the most harmful thing is three people00:10:06
Socrates Plato and Aristotle al-Farabi and Ibn00:10:09
Sina is the most harmful thing, everything just takes us away00:10:14
from the Koran from mohamed and from the true faith00:10:20
I recently read somewhere from someone00:10:24
modern Islamic but this00:10:27
progressive Islamic there too00:10:30
different parties have a theologian who00:10:34
I just kind of stuttered a little guys00:10:36
maybe we have accounting wrong in our00:10:39
Islamic to the vice kingdom understand00:10:41
hundreds of years have passed00:10:45
but we are actually nothing to humanity00:10:48
not allowed00:10:49
nothing scientific or philosophical00:10:53
discoveries we are sitting in the west I don’t know how00:10:56
this is already mine00:10:57
so this interpretation is so timid00:11:01
spoke out he was attacked then something00:11:03
I doubt the truth of Islam and so on00:11:06
cook the fact remains a fact00:11:08
ok ok ok00:11:13
Buddhist philosophy00:11:16
Andrey they say that I am Buddhist philosophy00:11:19
At one time I was even very keen00:11:21
not only Buddhist philosophy in general00:11:23
India's so-called seven great systems00:11:28
Buddhist philosophy is one of them now00:11:33
it was a long time ago when I became interested in Indian00:11:36
philosophy philosophy nyaya big mistake00:11:41
sankhya yoga00:11:44
I don’t even remember they are divided into different ones00:11:47
lipstick on not very close sleigh and yogan00:11:49
I him and shishek Buddhism Mimamsa Charvaka00:11:56
nowhere important not important00:11:59
but they are all essentially the same thing00:12:02
looks like Islam and like I’ll kill him00:12:05
and this is not philosophy in its purest form00:12:08
it's a religion00:12:11
which is presented through some00:12:15
logical arguments00:12:17
in fact it is dogmatic theology00:12:19
understand, read the textbook, I don’t know00:12:22
father of Oleg Davydenkov or Vladimir00:12:24
Nikolaevich Lossky or anyone else00:12:26
what is dogmatic theology too00:12:28
not just there for a quiet zis00:12:31
these are the dogmas that are set out in00:12:33
systematically00:12:35
somewhere explained somewhere maybe00:12:37
even leads to this arguments but this00:12:40
theology00:12:42
Yes00:12:43
this is not philosophy, the difference between theology and00:12:47
philosophy because he is a theologian00:12:49
relies on faith00:12:50
and philosophy is based on the mind of the path00:12:53
their actions are different, that's Indian00:12:57
philosophy is more like a religion00:12:59
religion based on the Vedas00:13:03
Upanishads00:13:05
religious book of this time00:13:07
Buddhism that does not rely on the Vedas00:13:10
and the Upanishads but it is based on the teachings00:13:12
buddhas and here are the four noble truths00:13:15
the world is full of suffering and even then this is all00:13:19
path00:13:20
there is a reason for this suffering there is a way00:13:23
leading from suffering and the path leading from00:13:25
suffering is a refusal of desire 400:13:28
noble truth everything00:13:30
This is the whole philosophy, but then00:13:32
begins an attempt to understand what00:13:35
the cause of suffering and so on so up00:13:39
Buddhist philosophy mom and I00:13:41
Aquinas philosophy handmaiden of theology00:13:44
but wait, so here we are today00:13:47
interview, as I understand it, yes no, I'm ready, I'm00:13:51
ready I like to give interviews sometimes00:13:54
I love it when I'm puzzled00:13:55
questions here start scratching your head00:13:58
mouse how to get out ask a question00:14:01
especially on live television, God forbid, directly00:14:05
through this question and you don’t know how to00:14:07
him to answer oh nightmare teachings of Abraham00:14:12
cook is quite philosophical for Judaism00:14:14
maybe I don’t know I don’t know00:14:20
this is probably Arabia and Abraham00:14:24
thank you hello Vladimir but maybe00:14:27
I'll take a look00:14:28
but in general understand what philosophy is00:14:30
I say it again, I like it00:14:33
Radlov's definition of such a Russian00:14:38
little-known philosopher00:14:40
which is in the encyclopedic dictionary00:14:42
Brockhaus and Efron gives this00:14:45
definition philosophy philosophy00:14:47
it is a free search for truth00:14:50
free shoot with nothing science or00:14:55
religion or politics not common sense00:14:59
are not limited by anything00:15:02
these are the real philosophers the real one00:15:04
philosopher I would say this00:15:05
Parmenides00:15:07
Here00:15:08
nothing yet link00:15:11
trust only reason00:15:13
I go to the absurd, there is no peace00:15:15
there's no movement, sorry about that00:15:20
goes against your common sense00:15:21
it's against your religion00:15:23
contradicts everything00:15:24
and so I thought about it and came to00:15:28
this conclusion00:15:29
this is the meaning of philosophy00:15:32
different from I repeat again on this00:15:34
I’m ending this exchange of opinions00:15:41
different from any religion and00:15:44
religious philosophy00:15:46
right here just for religious00:15:48
philosophy this is the problem on the problem00:15:52
which will always stand between00:15:54
all medieval religious00:15:57
philosophers how to combine faith and00:16:02
how to combine religion and philosophy here00:16:08
this is one of the serious problems00:16:10
which we can move on to right now00:16:13
already to the first of our today00:16:16
heroes and just to Igor’s question00:16:22
comment on the thoughts of Thomas Aquinas00:16:25
right now00:16:26
and I will comment when we are00:16:29
talking about our hero now is about00:16:34
As you can see00:16:35
about clementi alexandria auckland00:16:40
Alexandrian actually that's when you00:16:43
speak the thoughts of Thomas Aquinas philosophy00:16:46
handmaiden of theology I don't know why this00:16:49
thought attributed to the fame of Aquinas00:16:53
it's about the same as if I say00:16:56
I’ll formulate the second law for you00:17:00
Newton's second law is what he said00:17:04
so if a formulate the law00:17:06
universal gravity00:17:07
you tell me, can I comment?00:17:10
the law of the league is what the law told us00:17:14
universal gravity just said it00:17:16
you see, but actually opens it00:17:19
Newton 400 years before us the same thing Thomas00:17:23
Aquinas to this is what he says but the author does not00:17:25
who is he? I won’t get ahead of myself, yes00:17:29
now you find out will keep00:17:31
some such intrigue and so Clement00:17:35
Alexandrian it is clear that00:17:37
Alexandrian means lived in the city00:17:40
Alexandria, or rather, came to where he is00:17:43
born we don't know yes travel00:17:46
studies quite a lot of philosophy00:17:49
studies00:17:51
pagan cults give up on them00:17:56
and on the contrary, I fell in love with philosophy and came to00:18:00
Alexandria enters Pantene A school00:18:05
there was a Christian pantene who00:18:10
created a Christian school in Alexandria00:18:13
cats are getting physical here00:18:17
Clement or at school he became00:18:21
Christian or not is not known before but00:18:23
in this school he gained knowledge00:18:26
strengthened in faith after death pantene a00:18:30
headed this school00:18:32
true at the beginning of the third century when00:18:36
another wave of persecution began00:18:39
Christians Clement00:18:44
left for safety reasons00:18:48
Alexandria and according to historians00:18:52
church was the only reason00:18:54
why didn’t he receive the clement later?00:18:58
there was no such due respect00:19:01
canonized00:19:02
although his life and teachings are completely00:19:07
dogmatically true but in those days00:19:10
the clique of saints was only listed00:19:12
ascetics only martyrs and even then not00:19:15
of all only the most deservedly that's what00:19:20
concerns works written00:19:22
Clement, we will highlight three of them00:19:26
which make up at least a trilogy00:19:30
consistent exhortation to the Greeks00:19:33
teacher and stroma you are a trilogy00:19:38
consistent exhortation to the Greeks00:19:42
written to the pagan Greeks who00:19:46
climate explains to what truth in00:19:50
Christianity and seem to persuade00:19:52
exhorts them to receive holy baptism00:19:56
teacher this book is addressed to00:20:00
new Christians00:20:02
who still don’t know a lot of things00:20:05
it’s not even any and isis although it’s possible00:20:08
start rolling out health but also for example here00:20:11
such a story about everyday before everyday00:20:14
some provisions, for example here00:20:16
let's say the Greeks love physical education and I and00:20:19
maybe they are afraid that in Christianity there00:20:22
physical education is condemned but he writes no00:20:25
guys, we love physical education too, we too00:20:28
I recommend we even recommend there00:20:30
it gives us competition there too00:20:33
collective spirit of friendship and so on and00:20:36
They add health to us like this and even00:20:39
moments like this are interesting00:20:41
they publish there but the most important book00:20:45
stroma you are on which we are more00:20:47
let's stop but first a few words about00:20:49
exhortation to the Greeks just from which we00:20:52
We learn that Clement traveled a lot00:20:56
I studied pagan cults and found00:20:59
there is complete nonsense there00:21:02
contradiction of one another but common sense00:21:06
there is nothing, but philosophers have just that00:21:09
there are just glimmers of truth00:21:12
where did they come from where did you get these oh Plato00:21:17
glimpses of knowledge of the truth, as it were00:21:20
asks Clement and answers from where00:21:25
took this generous foreshadowing00:21:27
piety source of words from more00:21:30
putting the wise directly into the mouth of Plato00:21:33
your words00:21:34
than the Greeks of the barbarian tribes here00:21:38
we meet again at the client's00:21:40
an idea that will be very popular in00:21:42
while the amazing teaching about00:21:48
ideas and especially from the 100th creation of the world00:21:52
God and complex Platonov temiya but not00:21:56
could Plato have come up with this himself?00:21:59
open and then the option appears00:22:02
that Plato was in Egypt and there somehow00:22:06
came into contact with the Jews00:22:09
received 1k from them00:22:12
his moiseev read it in his own way00:22:16
interpreted yes and therefore from here he has00:22:21
these glimpses of knowledge that is under00:22:23
barbarian tribes in this case00:22:25
the client has Jews in mind00:22:27
which they borrowed as I wrote about it00:22:31
did you listen to the end00:22:32
and Justin the Philosopher and Tatyan and many00:22:35
others but not only Plato highly00:22:38
Clement of the Stoics is valued like he is too00:22:42
as if the cleaner puts these into his mouth00:22:46
words about good you asked me here is mine00:22:51
answer order justice holiness00:22:54
piety cannot be kept silent about00:23:00
Pythagoreans writes Clement saying god00:23:04
one here is the logic, the logic is clear00:23:13
Clement who addresses the Greeks00:23:15
who are so proud00:23:16
they talk about it here, philosophers talk about it00:23:19
I don't know about this, Christians00:23:22
believe in some resurrected person00:23:24
at the crucified god you drink there at night00:23:27
blood of babies and other obscenities00:23:30
you do it, but Klimenko doesn’t have any guys in00:23:33
in general, we also love philosophy, after all00:23:36
your philosophers say the same thing as00:23:39
we are up to your philosopher to be one of the smartest00:23:44
of you therefore so as to throw00:23:47
bridge between Christians and pagans00:23:50
through Plato to the Pythagoreans but00:23:55
I repeat the main work is the biggest00:23:58
volumetric is stroma up to00:24:01
which he writes because many00:24:07
Christians and already faithful Christians for a long time00:24:12
suddenly became Christians for some reason00:24:15
prefer not with philosophy00:24:17
it's not about dialectics00:24:20
after all, not even the natural sciences00:24:22
study contented with only simple and00:24:25
pure faith00:24:27
This is what upsets him terribly, dear00:24:30
just upset the appstore is outrageous00:24:32
What does the word stroma mean in translation?00:24:37
motley carpet or patchwork carpet yes00:24:40
just a patchwork image00:24:44
arises00:24:45
the housewife went to the market and bought fabrics00:24:49
sewed clothes for my family00:24:54
the kids are there for the husband, but there are scraps left00:24:57
what will a thrifty housewife do?00:25:00
Zhanna will throw them away, she will make them out of them00:25:03
some patchwork rug here00:25:06
You can roughly compare this with00:25:09
philosophy only if you're into the rug00:25:13
those that are not used for clothing are used00:25:16
become unnecessary pieces here00:25:19
vice versa00:25:20
every philosophy can claim00:25:24
Clement find something better useful not00:25:28
it is necessary to create a system of philosophy before00:25:31
the system is Christianity but00:25:34
philosophical arguments that we can00:25:36
found in Plato, the Stoics and Pythagoras they00:25:40
this is how our faith helps us00:25:44
strengthen understand convey to others00:25:48
therefore such understanding name therefore00:25:52
and philosophy is not just what we00:25:55
distracts from faith on the contrary itself00:25:58
philosophy with some result00:26:01
actions of divine providence therefore00:26:07
therefore philosophy is useful for those who00:26:11
studies philosophy understands that it00:26:14
is a clear image of the truth which00:26:18
given or to us by God as a result they00:26:21
not only do they not move away from the faith00:26:24
on the contrary, they are protected by it as some kind of00:26:27
strong fleet by opening its own in it00:26:30
a kind of ally helping to establish oneself in00:26:33
and helping philosophy helps us a00:26:37
on the contrary, they lead us away from faith and00:26:41
therefore for philosophy then truth00:26:44
opens more fully and deeper and beyond00:26:48
follows frank knowledge of gnosis that00:26:51
such frank knowledge is a revelation00:26:53
tavera knowledge is a philosophy00:26:58
synthesis of faith and reason, faith and knowledge00:27:01
which Clement calls the word gnosis00:27:06
this is what our thought should strive for00:27:10
to the unification of faith and reason00:27:14
philosophy and revelation of course00:27:17
continues klimin you can be believers00:27:21
illiterate, however, understand the creature00:27:25
faith is not really incapable of accepting00:27:28
sound doctrine cannot reject evil00:27:31
blind faith but only what is based on00:27:34
knowledge ignorance is the result00:27:37
bad manners, lack of education only00:27:40
through education we comprehend both00:27:42
sciences divine human live00:27:45
both the poor and the poor can be virtuous00:27:48
rich, however, we agree that00:27:51
an educated person is easier and more likely to00:27:54
is it some kind of virtue if00:27:57
he will receive primary education00:28:01
that's why stroma you writes this work00:28:07
Clement of Alexandria00:28:09
to explain to Christians the need00:28:13
study philosophy00:28:15
and what benefit will philosophy bring us?00:28:18
how more precisely and here is Clement00:28:22
addressed to Philo of Alexandria00:28:27
remember the thought of Philo of Alexandria in00:28:31
treatise on intercourse for the sake of preliminary00:28:35
learning where Philo of Alexandria00:28:40
interprets a well-known story that happened to00:28:45
Abraham00:28:46
that in the beginning it turned out that it was necessary00:28:50
to Hagar gave birth and only then00:28:54
Sarah for his legal wife why so00:28:59
it worked, but it couldn’t, like Philo00:29:01
alexandrian as you remember get00:29:04
the fruit from and Sarah, we won’t say then Sarah00:29:10
represents theology00:29:12
the highest knowledge and Hagar personifies00:29:16
earthly clearly see the maid stuff00:29:19
works on the ground with things yes that's why00:29:24
she does what Sarah tells her and00:29:27
but therefore it turns out like00:29:30
he interpreted allegorically00:29:31
Alexandrian cannot get fruit from00:29:35
theology without first studying earthly00:29:40
science first of all how to explain Philo00:29:44
yes first you need to learn to read00:29:46
count study grammar arithmetic00:29:50
where to open books on theology if00:29:53
I haven’t learned to read thousands and then I have to00:29:56
do more serious science there00:29:59
dialectics of philosophy in the same way00:30:03
Clement as free art lead to00:30:07
their mistress philosophy and herself00:30:11
philosophy ultimately leads to00:30:14
wisdom therefore wisdom mistress00:30:18
philosophy is like philosophy00:30:21
madam00:30:22
all preliminary to mind under wisdom00:30:25
in this case Clement means00:30:28
precisely the Christian revelation to the highest00:30:32
wisdom, the highest truth and00:30:36
illustrates this idea clearly00:30:39
leaning on the same place in00:30:43
Holy Scripture, like Philo, Sarah's wife00:30:46
Abraham had until old age00:30:48
barren and the strength of the parent allowed00:30:50
Abraham to get closer to the maid Hagaria00:30:53
obtained and gave birth to Abraham in exactly the same way00:30:57
wisdom standing under consisted of00:31:00
another faithful Abraham to whom faith00:31:02
counted for righteousness00:31:05
on was in that until I was infertile00:31:07
childless and therefore we won’t even get into it00:31:11
read out like this to visit00:31:13
This is exactly how Philo should be interpreted00:31:16
understand this story actually00:31:20
speaking, this is where this thought is born00:31:24
philosophy is the handmaiden of theology00:31:26
just sitting like hagar is a servant00:31:30
Sarah So Philosophy Is A Maid00:31:34
theology Hagar symbolizes the earthly00:31:38
Sarah symbolizes science and philosophy00:31:42
divine science theology00:31:45
then then in the west first00:31:50
with firecrackers they are a saint who is like00:31:54
they used firecrackers in the 11th century this phrase00:31:59
will repeat later only then there is Thomas00:32:02
Aquinas in the thirteenth century was no longer00:32:04
I know in some generation but for some reason00:32:07
everyone thinks that it was Thomas Aquinas00:32:09
was the first to say and and although she can already00:32:12
say Philo of Alexandria thought then00:32:15
there is actually 1 Clement00:32:17
Alexandrian and how to understand its Daoud00:32:20
I hope you ask now00:32:23
the philosophy is clear, from this phrase00:32:28
I absolutely agree, of course this is philosophy00:32:32
free free search for truth00:32:36
definitely here I have no doubt about it00:32:38
and I agree with her generic00:32:40
definition but the free search for truth is not00:32:44
should lead not to say so00:32:48
Augustine, yes, it’s not even August00:32:53
Musya I’ll tell you one of the modern ones00:32:55
Western theologians these I Jason00:33:01
paraphrased Augustine with this phrase00:33:03
out August address phrase how to proceed00:33:09
love your neighbor and do whatever00:33:13
love for one's neighbor is the criterion00:33:16
your correctness of your choice is not needed00:33:19
so read books on how to enter that00:33:21
or other situation to act out of love00:33:24
love your neighbor and do what you want to leave00:33:28
on Gilson and about the same00:33:32
love00:33:33
truth and thoughts as you want if you will00:33:38
love the truth you will seek the truth00:33:41
honestly unbiased you will always come to00:33:45
God always like this, this is the meaning of this00:33:51
phrases philosophy handmaiden of theology00:33:53
philosophy should help fila00:33:56
theology00:33:58
understand some truths maybe00:34:02
it is not possible to prove them more convincingly00:34:05
especially in the modern world this is a thought00:34:11
has become even more important00:34:15
modern effect trust more00:34:17
reason on what faith00:34:19
he will say, but there is a God and prove the cattle00:34:21
angry I can’t prove this I need to00:34:24
believe God there I don’t know so about Ciri leather00:34:26
and so on, what kind of obscurantist virus00:34:30
then you need to stay away from him then00:34:33
little else there before will kill there what how how00:34:36
there would be a Muslim fanatic, oh well00:34:38
That’s why philosophy is important here00:34:42
Philosophy is not just about everyone, even more00:34:46
in a broad sense, not just philosophy in00:34:49
classical there ontology and epistemology00:34:52
how love for wisdom can come here00:34:55
include both physics and biology history00:34:57
in general, all sciences should help us00:35:01
prove the existence of God explain there00:35:05
difficult moments from the interaction of science00:35:09
and Christianity is what I do00:35:12
for example in my apologetics course there00:35:17
I just show myself exactly how00:35:19
philosopher who serves theology00:35:22
I hope I serve faithfully and00:35:28
I help someone gain faith before00:35:34
non-believers00:35:35
strengthen the faith of the weak, we are alone00:35:39
also strengthen because as I said yes00:35:43
here is a wonderful French biologist00:35:46
Louis Pasteur a lifelong Catholic00:35:52
you believed in God, but you said something00:35:54
that in my youth I believed in God as00:35:58
British now after many years of studying00:36:04
and biology I believe as a Breton to the inhabitant00:36:09
north france britain therefore believed00:36:12
so manly rationally now this is how00:36:13
Baba, sorry, dear women00:36:16
so especially for grandma00:36:18
without any reason, but God exists and that’s all00:36:22
this is also obvious, just like that00:36:26
this is where philosophy helps him00:36:29
biology helped00:36:30
discovery of the famous Pasteur's law00:36:34
that life cannot arise from00:36:37
inanimate matter cannot.00:36:41
we are now using this principle00:36:44
pasteurization we drink with pleasure there00:36:47
pasteurized milk without fear00:36:49
get infected and at the same time believe home00:36:53
materialist that life is spontaneous00:36:55
arose from inanimate matter, well, really00:36:58
for millions of years they say one thing, well00:37:02
ok I won't now00:37:03
I hope to get carried away by this thought anyway00:37:06
answered this question in detail00:37:09
philosophy is the handmaiden of theology helps in00:37:13
I’ll repeat two tasks again just to00:37:14
it was clear00:37:15
would be two tasks to perform philosophy with00:37:17
On the one hand, philosophy throws00:37:19
bridge between believers and non-believers00:37:23
allows you to bring missionary00:37:26
catechist struggle with missionary00:37:28
say some work in our society00:37:31
but on the other hand it helps us understand00:37:33
and explain many complexities and thereby00:37:37
strengthen faith, I just know from myself00:37:44
How do you like the lecture? I’m running from Sretenskaya00:37:47
theological seminary00:37:49
where I’m just teaching a course on apologetics and00:37:52
every time I hear from students00:37:55
at the end of Viktor Petrovich is huge00:37:57
thank you, yes again a number of doubts are not there00:38:00
good guys who went for it00:38:03
the complex path of future lighting00:38:06
priesthood and so on but so much00:38:08
questions they need to answer00:38:10
answers I give them an explanation and show them that it’s not00:38:14
no contradiction between science and00:38:17
Christianity is the opposite, and that’s their faith00:38:20
strengthens and I think that sacred00:38:23
psychic pathways will be more00:38:25
durable and will not happen as often00:38:27
sometimes I came to church and read how00:38:32
happened before in the years of the 19th and early 20th centuries00:38:37
I read Darwin's book there or whatever00:38:40
there Lunacharsky or something like that00:38:42
pressure on the words there will be no god00:38:45
and the priests deceived me why because00:38:49
I am not familiar with philosophy or science and00:38:53
therefore faith00:38:54
this is actually the thought she already has00:38:56
Clement Clement of Alexandria00:38:59
appear and this is how and this is how00:39:01
most interesting to Clement's argument00:39:03
let's go back to it already00:39:05
he has a most interesting argument00:39:09
Now the apostle Paul has this00:39:14
comparison00:39:16
law, that is, the Old Testament with the children's00:39:20
what is called a garden with a teacher00:39:22
why are we Orthodox Christians00:39:26
Christians recommend that you always read00:39:28
at first00:39:29
the gospel and then only the old testament00:39:32
because we explain you won't understand00:39:34
the old testament if you don’t know what the old testament is00:39:38
the covenant is a prophecy about Christ then00:39:41
it will be clear how the apostle paul explains00:39:44
that the law is either the Old Testament yes00:39:48
this is a grandfather and a driver to Christ00:39:50
somewhere here I was preparing preparing00:39:54
Jews to come then after hundreds00:39:58
years00:39:59
the son of god is why god chose00:40:03
the Jews chose the foot in the form of a separate00:40:09
people therefore the earth is the chosen one00:40:12
people to whom God revealed himself00:40:14
to prepare in this people you at least00:40:17
the ground for the coming of Christ00:40:20
but it turns out according to Clement00:40:23
Alexandrian to the same chosen ones00:40:26
the people are the ancient Greek people00:40:30
because he did not address these people00:40:35
through faith not like Abraham and Moses00:40:39
directly from through reason philosophy00:40:43
was originally a gift from God or to us00:40:47
the way he addressed them clearly because00:40:50
philosophy for the Hellenes is also like law00:40:55
for the Jews00:40:56
namely, a teacher of those leading to Christ and00:40:59
so philosophy is propaedeutic00:41:01
with preparatory teaching pro-lag00:41:05
the path along which Christ leads00:41:08
student to perfection there will be 200:41:11
God's chosen people because but not00:41:15
absolutely peoples if its Jews of course00:41:19
not everyone believed in one god either00:41:21
prophets talk about this all the time00:41:23
talked00:41:24
to the golden calf there is currency for someone else00:41:28
someone starts making sacrifices there00:41:30
at night among the Greeks they also bring everything00:41:33
sacrifices there to Apollo and Zeus and others00:41:36
philosophers philosophers say that there is only one god00:41:40
Heraclitus Xenophanes00:41:42
fagor plato and aristotle and other god00:41:46
alone so that's how God leads 200:41:52
and two ways00:41:54
in different ways the people of Israel through00:41:57
faith of the law and the peoples of Europe but before00:42:01
only through the Greeks and through philosophy but00:42:07
this is the call this thought is Clement00:42:12
found in the gospel in these words00:42:13
seek and you will find, you need to search not only00:42:17
a lost sheep there and a coin there00:42:21
but also catch a needle in a haystack somewhere00:42:24
hay and find yes no00:42:25
to seek the truth is what is meant before00:42:28
client also00:42:29
allegorical approach often approaches understanding00:42:35
Holy Scripture is true what they say00:42:38
that the Apostle Paul warns us00:42:43
watch brothers so that no one carries you away00:42:46
philosophy and empty seduction by00:42:48
human tradition according to the elements of the world00:42:50
they are according to Christ, but this phrase is from Clement00:42:53
Alexandrian is very easy to understand00:42:55
as it is clearly stated here so that no one00:42:59
got you interested in philosophy according to legend00:43:02
human according to the elements of the world with00:43:06
materialist philosophy is necessary00:43:08
don't understand any philosophy out there00:43:11
grab everything there wonderful art clearly00:43:13
figure out where the good one is I'm good00:43:16
Pythagoras and Plato and bad but that's how it is00:43:20
times of all kinds00:43:22
materialistic democritus there and00:43:25
or something so immoral00:43:29
there are sophists and there are cynics therefore00:43:31
philosophy must be understood in order to be able to00:43:34
distinguish truth from lies, good from evil, here00:43:39
best get carried away in the chorus of agar and00:43:41
Platonic philosophy is even called00:43:45
Plato Moses speaking optical00:43:48
adverb that is such such00:43:53
such an adverb in Greek again00:43:56
I repeat this very thought that Plato is everything00:43:58
took it from Moses only in his own way00:44:02
rethought retold and thereby00:44:07
philosophy brought Christianity closer but in00:44:10
in general, of course, this is Plato’s teaching about00:44:12
ideas first of all wonderful truth00:44:16
the world of ideas does not exist separately00:44:19
indicates Clement is part of God00:44:23
partly so to speak, relatively speaking yes00:44:26
thoughts of god therefore the world of ideas00:44:29
divine in the literal sense and therefore and00:44:35
Greek philosophy and Christians yes00:44:40
here is the same source of logos00:44:42
second hypostasis00:44:43
the second hypostasis that the Greeks knew00:44:48
and philosophy, well, almost the same as Philo00:44:50
Alexandrian only if Philo00:44:52
the Alexandrian logos is the mediator00:44:54
between God and the world for Christians00:44:57
logos is the second hypostasis they are the mediator00:45:00
[ __ ] that's why the logo contains payment00:45:05
new ideas that's why logos are00:45:07
the true christ says I am the way and00:45:10
truth and life he means that he00:45:12
there is that same logo and of course00:45:19
Clement is not a philosopher, I say it again for00:45:24
he philosophy is just an art00:45:27
helping us to understand the Christian00:45:30
understand it, understand it, and the depth cannot be reduced00:45:37
its just to repeat some there00:45:41
lines of the gospel or doctrinal00:45:42
mister but here's the downside00:45:48
lack of Greeks and Jews of the Old Testament00:45:53
from the Greeks they got too carried away00:45:56
they became proud of philosophy00:45:59
is that they are so smart and that’s why00:46:03
religion philosopher I.A.00:46:05
ran around contemptuously, but the Jews00:46:07
on the contrary, they became proud in that regard00:46:10
that only they received the revelation they00:46:16
God's chosen people and therefore why00:46:19
ponder why philosophize from00:46:22
the Greeks did not accept the religion of philosophy00:46:25
loss in mind of course the Jews are not00:46:29
accepted philosophy but Christianity00:46:32
therefore they are true teachings because00:46:37
it combines philosophy and00:46:42
religion, truth00:46:45
that everything in it is 2 on the way to the truth00:46:50
connect but the question arises: how00:46:54
then combine faith and reason00:46:57
religion Christianity is based on faith00:47:00
and philosophy must come from reason00:47:04
this is the first time a client has asked this question00:47:08
arises00:47:09
for the first time he puts it on and explains that00:47:14
there is no difference between faith and reason00:47:17
contradictions because we have00:47:23
single ability which is called00:47:26
gnosis let's pay attention to a simple fact00:47:30
and faith and reason exist only in00:47:34
people's faith is also some00:47:40
understanding, faith cannot exist without knowledge00:47:45
just like knowledge without faith, they are each other00:47:51
They help a friend understand that faith is stronger00:47:56
faith00:47:58
simpler more accurate they are stronger stronger and then00:48:03
misspoke faith simpler she easier she00:48:07
accessible to anyone not only00:48:09
a philosopher in this and this is an advantage00:48:12
she00:48:14
suitable for anyone, even00:48:19
who can't reason00:48:20
but we need reason to00:48:25
to understand faith, this comparison leads00:48:29
Klimenko faith as the foundation of a building00:48:33
mind is the walls faith is the foundation00:48:38
plan that we always take something on00:48:42
faith before you start thinking00:48:45
at the beginning we take something for granted as00:48:49
mathematician take axioms on faith00:48:52
student takes words on faith00:48:56
The child takes the teacher on faith00:49:00
admonition to parents if we are in00:49:04
doubting everyone, we never need anything00:49:06
let's have faith at the core00:49:09
therefore there must be a strong foundation00:49:12
true faith is what faith is00:49:15
Christian but faith without reason is the same00:49:20
meaningless as a foundation without topics00:49:23
so it’s natural that on this faith00:49:28
must grow up for revelation00:49:31
the walls of our mind and therefore00:49:38
connect in the form of such gnosis00:49:41
ideal connection00:49:44
faith and knowledge but under the nose is Clement00:49:49
of course he doesn’t mean what’s there00:49:53
arose as Gnosticism as one00:49:56
one of the first heresies like this00:50:02
the first attempt to reconcile philosophy and00:50:05
Christianity faith and reason in Clement00:50:09
Alexandrian and we can say that he00:50:11
follows the same path as Justin00:50:14
philosopher and after him many will follow00:50:18
the same way00:50:19
but Tertullian is usually Tertullian00:50:24
are opposed00:50:29
Justin u00:50:30
Clement and it is considered that he is one of00:50:36
ancestors of another path00:50:39
contrasting his faith and times00:50:41
So let's sort it out with Tertullian00:50:45
what about the years of Tertullian's life?00:50:50
Well, about the same as Clement00:50:52
Alexandrian00:50:55
with one thing we should understand that00:51:00
Tertullian lived in Carthage he was00:51:03
Roman00:51:05
added in Latin by the way Latin00:51:15
the population was to become more complex00:51:18
position than the Greeks because the Bible00:51:23
was written in Greek00:51:25
the old testament has already been translated into greek00:51:28
the language of the new testament is written in greek and00:51:32
all the terminology has already been developed there00:51:38
but maybe almost everything is there for some00:51:41
stayed there to add as a feophile00:51:44
Antiochian00:51:45
adds a native add some00:51:48
there the term is the Virgin Mary Trinity00:51:50
hypostasis but overall most00:51:53
terminology in the gospel in the apostle00:51:56
Paul already has the Romans paying not to us00:52:00
directly had to be translated into00:52:04
create new terminology in Latin00:52:07
here is Tertullian one of the first who00:52:11
started this work until today00:52:15
Catholics use Tertullian00:52:18
with such new concepts then it’s true00:52:23
St. Augustine will continue this work00:52:26
apart and the great Lion of Mediolan00:52:28
Gregory two-worded but he started it exactly00:52:32
Tertullian on the biography of Tertullian00:52:35
fame is also extremely weak like me00:52:38
brand Alexandrian00:52:40
we know that he was born in Carthage and lived in00:52:43
Carthage we know that we got good00:52:45
education is primarily education in00:52:49
Rome this right right is associated with her00:52:53
rhetoric00:52:55
becomes a Christian but not right away00:52:58
from birth you were not your parents00:53:01
Christians00:53:02
it is unclear whether he became a priest or not00:53:06
became here different evidence but one00:53:10
it is known that in Orthodoxy Tertullian is not00:53:15
resisted and deviates into the heresy of manta00:53:21
nismo and then even became disappointed in Montana00:53:24
the snakes are leaving some kind of their own00:53:26
what is he disappointed in and what is characteristic of him?00:53:29
Bantha nism00:53:31
greater demands on this00:53:36
reason even historians distribute00:53:41
Tertullian's work on a time scale than00:53:46
more demanding in such moral00:53:51
some there or in positions00:53:55
Tertullian the later his work you00:53:59
Tertullian no longer understands how this is00:54:01
the church can not only Lyudmila I don’t know00:54:09
what I read about the city given it00:54:11
biographies of Ukraine are so vague00:54:15
who influenced his conversion00:54:18
Christianity00:54:19
who influenced his refusal extremely badly00:54:25
everything that is known about him is known00:54:28
his thoughts his treatises00:54:30
from some of his treatises rather we00:54:32
we'll find out when he does something to himself00:54:35
notices this00:54:36
or at least said more than00:54:39
his requirements become realistic00:54:41
abstinence from meat, abstinence from wine, condemnation00:54:45
there is condemnation of women's jewelry00:54:48
there is marriage00:54:49
and so on, something further, this is a dream00:54:54
becomes the older he gets00:54:56
the more he condemns00:54:58
any attachment we have to material things00:55:01
the world will therefore be disappointed in Christianity00:55:05
and then in Montana zmi because00:55:07
Apparently he finds snakes in Montana00:55:09
some kind of the same well, sort of like this00:55:13
liberalism of the cat his undemandingness00:55:18
Of course, we are primarily interested in00:55:21
the relationship of Tertullian philosophy so here00:55:24
very simple philosophy in opinion00:55:27
Tertullian everything00:55:29
philosophy has distorted it is not necessary it is necessary00:55:34
it was then when Christ and everything was not00:55:39
Philosophers and00:55:42
strived for the truth and after the sermon00:55:46
We no longer need the gospel, philosophy00:55:50
the truth itself came to us so why00:55:53
we strive for brushes that are no longer Christians00:55:56
own it00:56:00
therefore all attempts at philosophical00:56:03
understanding of Christian positions on00:56:07
Tertullian's opinion only harms00:56:11
especially great harm to Christianity00:56:16
brought by the so-called Gnostics00:56:19
we will not accept to be classified as00:56:22
he is an agnostic of Clement of Alexandria00:56:25
no one has reached the word gnosis in this00:56:27
doesn't mean anything00:56:30
ponytails this is Valentin Vasiliev marks he00:56:35
Tass to the pilot those people who claimed00:56:39
that Christianity must be understood through00:56:43
Christianity in general is not philosophy00:56:47
gospel and evangelist but not literally00:56:52
understood, accept what is written00:56:55
in the gospel but this is nonsense, how is it00:56:59
you can give birth to a person without00:57:01
men remaining virgins00:57:05
how can god fit into a small one00:57:08
how can a person die00:57:12
good luck will be resurrected00:57:13
it is clear that this fairy tale is clear that in00:57:17
these like these00:57:19
mythological stories00:57:22
some deep philosophical thought00:57:26
that's why the Gnostics say the gospel is00:57:30
so to speak, it’s a lie, but there’s at least a hint in it00:57:34
a hint of deep philosophy meaning00:57:38
which can be described in terms of00:57:42
Roma and he and such an ontological00:57:49
the picture of existence crowns more and more precisely00:57:53
the fullness of everything rises above everything00:57:56
in Greek or exactly completeness by almost00:57:59
how icy pay for it at the frame00:58:04
unfolds from it the eternal00:58:07
level which are called both he and one of00:58:13
these levels are eternal descending into our world00:58:18
becomes, as it were, embodied in our00:58:24
in the material world this is the way of embodiment00:58:28
in our world they called the Mother of God a and he00:58:33
who embodied in our world00:58:35
called Christ but that's just00:58:38
you see, this is the mythology00:58:40
but in fact this is philosophy therefore00:58:44
all these gospel events but don’t00:58:48
perceive00:58:49
directly and literally and they need to be understood00:58:53
like some kind of allegory and not just00:58:56
an allegory like Philo or Clement00:58:58
Alexandrian such love is very00:59:00
such a light Gregorian light like me00:59:04
said modern as the such power on00:59:07
an allegory that is nothing at all00:59:09
there remains no Mother of God from Christ00:59:13
there's nothing left but philosophy00:59:15
this is Tertullian and outrages how this00:59:19
it wasn't like it wasn't and it wasn't down00:59:22
immaculate conception not birth00:59:25
death not sunday not ascension everything00:59:28
everything was the bible you need to understand00:59:33
just literally without any allegory00:59:37
because the bible tells us about the very00:59:41
important event in human history00:59:44
the incarnation of God who lived among us00:59:49
worked miracles and finally created00:59:54
the greatest miracle rose from the dead00:59:57
promising us the resurrection from the dead01:00:01
last day it was all this01:00:04
historical fact and this is where it comes from01:00:09
follows the famous phrase of Tertullian01:00:13
I believe01:00:15
because it's absurd in fact I think you don't01:00:18
be surprised or surprised doesn't matter01:00:20
having learned that Tertullian did not write this phrase01:00:28
this phrase turned out to be something like01:00:39
some but processing some different01:00:43
such phrases as this is what we01:00:46
we find in the treatise on the flesh of Christ the son01:00:51
God crucified it is not shameful for it is worthy01:00:58
shame and dead son oh my god this is perfect01:01:01
authentically for absurd and buried01:01:04
resurrected that's for sure01:01:06
because it's impossible01:01:09
you see, there is some kind of01:01:11
really cool paradox01:01:12
yes there can be faith in opinion01:01:16
Tertullian is paradoxical about the fact01:01:19
no actually if we think about it01:01:22
Let's pay attention to a very strange union01:01:26
for if I wrote the devil, I believe01:01:31
although it would be absurd then it would be a paradox01:01:36
I believe that the sum of the angles of a triangle is 20001:01:40
degrees, although mathematicians never know01:01:44
180 and not a second less or more though01:01:49
and because I'm a fool to understand, so I believe01:01:51
that mathematicians are wrong and here because01:01:55
put my example into this, yes I01:01:59
I believe that the sum of the angles is 200 degrees because01:02:03
this is nonsense no actually the hell I am here01:02:12
quite logical01:02:13
if you expand this phrase a little here01:02:18
what happens here in red font I01:02:21
I leave Tertullian’s phrase here01:02:24
the last time Christ rose again is certain01:02:26
because it’s impossible, but I’m inserting what01:02:30
What Tertullian means is that01:02:34
here in these phrases a dispute is clearly visible01:02:38
with the Gnostics they are burning Christ is not risen01:02:41
it didn't happen because it's impossible01:02:45
nail no christ is risen it01:02:49
historical fact understand between01:02:53
Tertullian we are by the resurrection of Christ01:02:55
well, about 100 years is about that much01:03:00
I don’t know how long there is between us01:03:02
clay before the October Revolution01:03:04
that is, it’s just an event that happened01:03:06
just yesterday there were witnesses here01:03:09
people through whom through one person01:03:11
I find out he saw Christ yes he01:03:15
spoke with the apostles therefore for01:03:18
it is obvious, an undoubted fact, but how01:03:21
about appreciate it, it’s clear that people will be resurrected01:03:26
I can’t if they told me that he was resurrected01:03:30
man I would say this is nonsense this is absurd01:03:32
this cannot be true but Christ is risen01:03:35
this is a fact, how can I explain this only if I01:03:39
I assume that he is not only cranial01:03:41
god because if only he were01:03:46
as a human it would not be possible then01:03:50
there is actually in this phrase01:03:51
Tertullian laid down the proof from01:03:54
Let's assume on the contrary that Christ is01:03:58
man but how to explain then01:04:01
Sunday its me normal checks and not01:04:04
I believe that man can be resurrected01:04:07
this is absurd but I believe I know that Christ01:04:12
resurrected01:04:13
that means he is not only a check but also a god and01:04:16
so that's it01:04:17
Gospel events starting from conception01:04:21
immaculate01:04:22
ending with the ascension can be explained01:04:26
only one assumption that Christ01:04:31
is god and man at the same time01:04:35
then everything falls into place01:04:38
master thuan does not believe in the absurdity on the contrary01:04:42
third one is quite logical and01:04:44
a reasonable person who received01:04:48
excellent education in the field01:04:50
jurisprudence there as you know the logic01:04:52
studied quite well both in logic01:04:57
the compass is valued in contrast to philosophy01:05:01
it’s philosophy that Tertullian doesn’t01:05:04
loves because philosophy is everything01:05:08
these attempts there are something like that01:05:10
interpret it allegorically there somehow01:05:13
figuratively there are some things there I don’t know to look for01:05:16
shadow on the fence some new concepts01:05:19
come up with that and then heresy arises01:05:23
which come from there01:05:25
the gospel is written no no not that01:05:27
in fact this is a much bigger phrase01:05:32
which I suggest you read01:05:35
he has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame01:05:39
even philosophy itself writes third ul01:05:42
just from the philosophy of the heresy summit01:05:45
get incitement from here both he and01:05:49
some undefined shape and01:05:51
Valentin had the strength of a man01:05:54
Pola tonic Valentin the most famous01:05:58
from the Gnostics there was mpla tonic therefore01:06:01
came up with these there01:06:02
with rum ions and so on hence the brands01:06:06
he is the god who is better because of01:06:09
his serenity01:06:10
this one came from the Stoics and is nothing like01:06:16
the main thing is to stand by this with your apathy01:06:20
serenity without passions01:06:22
she will do too, and the epicureans especially01:06:26
insist on the opinion that the soul is perishing01:06:28
remember yes the soul is made of atoms therefore on01:06:31
mortal and all philosophers are alike in that01:06:34
to deny the resurrection of the flesh we too01:06:37
it can't be contrary to reason01:06:40
where matter is equalized with God there01:06:44
the teachings of Zeno, by the way, you spoke here01:06:49
what are they already here for the test?01:06:53
why match where matter is equal to01:06:56
God there are the teachings of Zeno who will say or01:07:04
will write 201:07:10
we were so wonderful already already01:07:13
in the right direction and beyond what01:07:18
Zeno in this case we mean01:07:30
we remember such 2 Zenons 1Andrey01:07:34
Kurnakov remembers his were two okay01:07:42
I'm afraid I asked you a very difficult question01:07:44
It’s clear that you didn’t prepare and didn’t01:07:47
they repeated Zeno of Elea and Zeno01:07:53
Eleatic and Zeno Chinese until about which xii but not in01:07:57
In this case we are talking about where matter01:08:01
equaled with God there the teachings of Zeno01:08:05
inevitably we repeat here at the same time01:08:07
philosophy with all sorts of Tertullian my and01:08:10
other Chinese guys are probably great01:08:14
Well done Andrey, of course this is already01:08:18
wonderful you made me happy01:08:20
extreme just about Chinese Zeno01:08:23
the student is conveniently forgotten01:08:25
they start talking about support and what kind is there01:08:28
connection about the field with God before Chinese Zeno01:08:33
pantheism pantheism somewhere we continue01:08:37
reading where we are talking about the side where we have gods01:08:39
Heraclitus appears there, remember, yes,01:08:43
burning of the world every 10 thousand01:08:45
eight hundred years01:08:46
the pathetic Aristotle he composed for them01:08:49
dialectic - the art of building and destroying01:08:53
feigned judgments dodgy in01:08:55
parcels are not far away as proof01:08:59
active in bickering although gas but even01:09:01
for oneself interpreting everything but01:09:05
I still don’t find out anything by holding us back01:09:08
from them the apostle especially points out that01:09:11
positions argue philosophy when writing01:09:14
see to the Colossians that no one01:09:17
captivated you with philosophies and empty seduction01:09:20
according to human tradition, contrary to trial01:09:23
the holy spirit pathetic aristotle there01:09:26
there are some things that have already been invented there01:09:29
there I don’t know syllogisms four reasons01:09:31
intellect possibilities of reality01:09:36
but in general what's the point of all this?01:09:39
the gospel clearly says everything is clear for01:09:43
every common person therefore here01:09:46
if we say I'm sorry01:09:54
where everything is fine because it's not01:09:59
turned on the recording is working therefore if we01:10:05
we are talking about Tertullian's attitude to01:10:09
mind to intellect then you need to keep in mind01:10:13
that he still does not deny the mind from01:10:17
sort of elitist, refined01:10:20
intellectualism is a philosophy that01:10:23
trying something too stupid there and there01:10:26
unnecessary questions therefore in simplicity01:10:31
with reason one must seek truth and truth01:10:36
tells us that we are all Christians01:10:40
a peasant by nature, this is how he writes in01:10:44
the soul bears witness to the work of apologetics01:10:47
about him, that is, about God as a judge01:10:49
when God speaks, God sees, I hand it over to God, God01:10:53
will reward me with the testimony of my soul01:10:56
Christian nature01:10:58
here Tertullian means some01:11:00
ordinary01:11:01
figures of speech even a non-believer like01:11:05
now tell me thank god how it is there01:11:10
atheists joke, they believe, well, thank God I01:11:12
an atheist but having understood Tertullian's intent01:11:16
you see, of course, 3 tbsp but to yourself01:11:18
you contradict what is in your soul, God01:11:21
there is you don't notice when from this01:11:24
deep nature manifests itself that is01:11:28
we are christians christians to the same of this01:11:32
we don't understand we must become Christians01:11:35
it's normal just like we should become01:11:39
smart people must become healthy01:11:44
illness is damage stupidity is01:11:47
laziness and so on that's why01:11:50
It’s natural to be a Christian here01:11:55
this if the soul is Christian by nature01:11:57
therefore we find this in our simplicity01:12:00
souls means souls than truth and so01:12:05
simpler the simpler the more accessible the01:12:08
the more accessible the more famous the more natural01:12:11
about what is natural the more divine well01:12:16
the fact that we are Christians by nature is not01:12:18
means that we have become Christians01:12:21
the soul usually becomes01:12:24
they are born a Christian writes01:12:28
Tertullian's other work on evidence01:12:31
in the soul to become a Christian you need01:12:34
do some work work but but01:12:39
it's natural we're going to01:12:41
the right way the right way01:12:45
internal knowledge there are no external books01:12:48
some kind of inner work of the soul, well01:12:52
or reading scripture where01:12:54
the truth has already been revealed and continues to do so01:12:58
Tertullian that Athens to Jerusalem01:13:01
what is the academy of the church what are heretics01:13:06
Christians our establishment of sports to01:13:10
Solomonova01:13:11
and he himself conveyed that gentlemen should01:13:14
seek simplicity of heart, everyone will remember this01:13:18
who wanted to make Christianity and01:13:21
stoic and platonic and01:13:24
dialectical, that is, Aristotelian in01:13:27
we don't need curiosity after01:13:30
jesus christ in search of truth01:13:32
after the gospel01:13:35
this famous phrase that Athens01:13:38
Jerusalem will later become the name01:13:41
famous work of the Russian philosopher01:13:44
there is no lion 6 neither lion 6 but a lion of poles01:13:51
pseudonym of a Russian philosopher in Lego01:13:54
Schwartzman's book of the day and name Athens and01:14:00
Jerusalem where, by the way, it occupies a position01:14:03
closer to the third Ulyanova protesting against01:14:07
classical philosophy which01:14:09
Well it takes us away from true Christianity01:14:15
which one is more existentialist01:14:18
20th century philosophy01:14:20
but at the heart of everything we01:14:25
and faith and reason are again one and the same01:14:29
simple reasonably normal undistorted01:14:31
I’m here too, already like Clement01:14:34
Alexandrian soul one ability01:14:36
it alone manifests itself as if in01:14:39
two types when we reason sometimes we believe and01:14:42
when we believe it's absurd like I would01:14:44
said the same thing, we are essentially arguing and01:14:47
we prove that we believe in the resurrection of Christ01:14:50
logical and reasonable because it’s different01:14:53
how to explain a real event but01:14:58
Tertullian himself still says that he01:15:00
I agree with some philosophers01:15:04
namely with racks we understand why01:15:07
because time what philosophers01:15:09
except for the stands there are no philosophers there01:15:12
received such popularity that's why01:15:18
it's not even a philosophy at all01:15:20
considered as common sense in particular01:15:24
As you remember, the Stoics said that everything01:15:27
those forest but that's why Tertullian says and01:15:31
the soul is also bodily which is the subtlest to01:15:35
her body is so subtle01:15:39
rough and visible with the eyes and invisible but01:15:43
subtle material is still like this01:15:47
is proven01:15:49
first of all, of course, sacred01:15:51
scripture01:15:52
which I recall Tertullian recommends01:15:55
understand only literally while shouting01:15:58
richer and lazar remember definitely yes01:16:01
what's going on with the rich man and the laser01:16:04
after death01:16:06
rich man in hell suffers from thirst soul soul01:16:12
not a rich man but a soul01:16:13
the rich man and the soul of Lazarus enjoy01:16:16
coolness, well, maybe not some kind01:16:20
Plato's immaterial soul01:16:22
suffer from thirst or seek pleasure01:16:27
in the shade in the cool of course not of course01:16:30
a clear indication of Tertullian and but to the fact that01:16:34
everything here is of a material nature or01:16:39
such an argument as inheritance01:16:41
character but everyone knows that children are similar01:16:45
on parents physically but very often children01:16:48
inherit character, well, it’s like a soul01:16:53
leaves its mark on a child's soul01:16:57
that’s why he boldly repeats the stances here01:17:01
almost in our own words they say that the soul01:17:05
it is a bodily substance like breath and01:17:09
spirit are very close to each other in their01:17:12
nature and in general that which is not a body01:17:16
there is something01:17:17
everything that exists has a body there is nothing01:17:21
incorporeal is only what in general01:17:23
does not exist01:17:24
and therefore even God is a body01:17:28
yes, even if he is a spirit, then everything is bodily01:17:31
only those only physicality is so very01:17:35
incomprehensible to us, subtle material01:17:39
This is the attitude towards reason and philosophy01:17:45
Tertullian and now let's talk about01:17:50
region about one more last so01:17:56
I'll be honest, I'll be the last to say it right now01:17:59
here are the thinkers before the Augustine of the sky era01:18:03
until the person who ends up like this01:18:08
the question of becoming Christian01:18:10
philosophy and will create a holistic01:18:15
such a philosophical position, blessed01:18:21
Augustine01:18:22
origen origen fellow countryman of Clement01:18:29
Alexandrian born in Alexandria01:18:32
younger of course as we see by age 18501:18:36
dash 254 years in Alexandria born there01:18:42
they have grown since childhood, he was01:18:48
Christian because I was born in01:18:50
Christian family his father Leonid01:18:53
died during one of the most01:18:59
whose persecution I was afraid of01:19:02
Clement of Alexandria they say that01:19:05
origin01:19:06
I also wanted to hurt my mother, they say01:19:10
hid his clothes for someone01:19:13
natural shame did not allow him to run out01:19:19
on the street naked and saved by such bonds01:19:22
life of the future great thinker when01:19:27
the horse hasn't finished yet more precisely yes yes yes01:19:32
before that he studied with Clement01:19:34
Alexandrian then when the persecution01:19:37
started01:19:38
and Clement left Alexandria Regin01:19:44
headed the school until after leaving01:19:47
I’m turning to Clement of Alexandria01:19:50
your attention in 200 third year01:19:54
radii 185 how many years it turned out to be01:19:59
regena 18 years old 18 years old he headed the school01:20:04
after the departure of the respected01:20:07
also a great thinker Clement01:20:10
Alexandrian01:20:11
that is, apparently here01:20:13
just so obvious, recognized by everyone01:20:17
some uniqueness of Origen to whom01:20:20
entrusted to head this school so01:20:23
they even called him the iron one or01:20:27
diamond man is a nickname later01:20:33
Yes, apparently I decided after01:20:36
got to become my Christian01:20:38
education decided to study philosophy is underway01:20:44
kao-mani usa braid and meet there01:20:49
dams to attend classes with him01:20:52
ammonium 40 its own although Palatine is younger01:20:55
younger than origen but falls under origen01:20:59
Although there is influence of Damon’s ideas01:21:02
version that he is influenced by ideas01:21:04
ammonia from Xhosa but we don’t know what and01:21:07
clouds breaking just books it’s not up to us01:21:10
maybe he didn’t write anything either01:21:13
the famous version writes at this time01:21:18
treatise on beginnings treatise which led01:21:23
they have rabies and so at least01:21:27
dissatisfaction with the local bishop who01:21:33
I said it was tough at the time01:21:36
requirements01:21:37
I've been violating it 8 for almost 30 years now01:21:41
but a layman has no right to teach in01:21:46
churches01:21:47
only priests origen without asking01:21:50
blessing wrote a treatise01:21:52
and even with many of these01:21:54
provisions of which then on the fifth01:21:57
the ecumenical council will be condemned but in01:22:01
in general, origen are moving away from01:22:04
Alexandria to Palestine where he lives01:22:08
recent years during regular01:22:12
persecution under Emperor Deqi01:22:17
he ended up in prison and was tortured01:22:22
True, they didn’t let him go until he died, but01:22:24
wounded exhausted01:22:26
the old man soon died at two hundred01:22:31
fifty-fourth year like this01:22:33
in short the life of origen01:22:36
who on his students01:22:41
produced simply indelible01:22:42
the impression is, for example, what one writes01:22:47
of his famous students Saint01:22:51
Gregory of science with risks to which01:22:55
studied at Origen for a certain time01:22:58
then after finishing my studies I was forced01:23:00
leave and wrote such a farewell letter01:23:06
I share my memories01:23:08
aboriginal01:23:09
this is what he writes in appearance and01:23:14
the general opinion is origen person but for those01:23:19
who can penetrate with his gaze into01:23:21
the depth of his inner qualities he is already01:23:24
endowed with the highest advantages that01:23:27
brings it closer to the deity, take it off01:23:32
Saint Gregory to the south and writes for risks01:23:35
so thank God for what I01:23:38
gifted to meet such a great01:23:41
husband yes indeed origen but wrote01:23:49
unfortunately a lot of work01:23:53
not all of them have reached us, but the reason01:23:56
this but for example here is the first work01:23:59
even that's not his job, huck swim with here01:24:02
6 different texts of the old testament01:24:07
Jewish texts were different and translations01:24:10
there were various bitternesses of the biblical text on01:24:14
didn’t even get there unfortunately origen wrote01:24:18
commentary on all the books of the sacred01:24:21
scriptures for all books01:24:24
enormous work some have reached us01:24:27
Well, it’s clear why, as I said, because01:24:30
Well, at the fifth Soviet cathedral origen01:24:33
was declared a heretic01:24:36
well, heretics were somehow not blessed01:24:40
rewrite the books that came before us01:24:42
got there got there only later thanks01:24:45
because we copied them from the monastery01:24:49
we understand and even rewrote Plato and01:24:51
Aristotle and Ptolemy and Euclid but01:24:56
Not everyone copied Origen01:24:59
unfortunately work01:25:01
but two works are of such a nature01:25:06
philosophical versus case and about the beginnings01:25:13
health is such a Roman philosopher01:25:17
pagan who attacked Christianity01:25:22
Regen wrote a treatise refuting it01:25:26
where to show parts of your attitude towards01:25:29
philosophy and the beginnings is another attempt01:25:35
build slender01:25:39
Christian systematic up to01:25:43
dogmatics philosophical doctrine like01:25:46
Klimenta Stroma, this is how you started01:25:50
origen01:25:51
These two jobs are primarily where we01:25:54
you and I will stop along the way, so these are the ones01:25:57
provisions that were at the fifth council01:25:59
convicted01:26:00
they concern only work on the beginnings of01:26:05
all other treatises but the origen is completely01:26:07
I'm an Orthodox Christian, no01:26:11
there are no such special comments about him01:26:17
True, the work of the beginning has reached us too01:26:20
in Latin translation a certain Rufinus who01:26:25
wrote and translated01:26:29
they say that he may have done the translation01:26:31
and somewhat jinxed the fact that he himself was01:26:34
a fan of Origen and maybe there01:26:36
some of it01:26:37
he smoothed out the most critical situation01:26:39
why the question is also so ambiguous and01:26:41
so regarding01:26:43
in reason and faith, philosophy and Christianity01:26:51
Regen's position is no different from01:26:54
the position of his teacher Clement01:26:56
Alexandrian same task well01:27:00
clarify with reason clarify the situation01:27:05
Christianity is a Christian teaching01:27:08
gives preference to the one who accepts01:27:12
true faith after the reasonable and wise01:27:15
research they are for those who assimilate them01:27:19
only by simple faith01:27:22
just like Clement talks about it01:27:24
that's why I agree with the teacher with my01:27:27
that philosophy will not remove man from01:27:34
hearings on the table of a non-Christian01:27:36
receiving the mysteries of his faith and01:27:39
philosophy will not serve him in this01:27:42
in case of an obstacle and will not introduce it into01:27:45
delusion is not true wisdom01:27:48
they knowledge leads to error in the world01:27:53
nothing is as stable as knowledge and01:27:55
the truth is these two daughters of wisdom but origen01:28:06
do one very important thing if you01:28:11
client according to his walls, philosopher and others01:28:14
apologists but there seemed to be no special01:28:18
preference for one philosopher or another01:28:22
there were apologists no matter what01:28:25
philosopher to use just to use it01:28:27
arguments helped us better understand01:28:30
Christianity is origen after all01:28:34
makes a clear choice in favor01:28:37
Plato and Dam in particular are also needed01:28:43
the dam may be more01:28:44
even terminologically the term hypostasis01:28:48
for example yes origen takes01:28:50
the dam but understands that all hypostases01:28:54
it's not01:28:56
hierarchical levels of being like Damon01:28:59
speak simply to the concept and apply it01:29:03
to the three persons of the Holy Trinity therefore01:29:09
term hypostasis in Christianity01:29:11
brought in by regena who understood msa01:29:15
after all, 3 persons of the Holy Trinity01:29:17
consubstantial although to a certain extent01:29:20
some kind of hierarchy is not in the house but about that01:29:24
a little later a little later but most importantly01:29:27
origen makes some changes and01:29:34
philosophical guidelines and indicate that01:29:37
Plato Plato is really that philosopher01:29:41
on the basis of which we can build01:29:44
Christian theology01:29:46
philosophy and even reasoning about God we01:29:51
we can deduce not only from revelation01:29:55
but also01:29:58
arguments of reason from the first book of the treatise01:30:02
it began in essence and is dedicated01:30:07
Origen's reasoning about God which01:30:11
are already purely philosophical in nature01:30:14
not only there is of course a lot of theology01:30:17
a lot and in the end a book about beginnings01:30:20
she is more theological and philosophical01:30:23
arguments and also from it I choose but here01:30:26
these philosophical arguments are where we come from01:30:30
just as an axiom from the understanding of01:30:33
that God is perfect and from here then further01:30:37
we can bring out all the rest of it but not01:30:40
all of course yes to many of its properties01:30:42
if God is perfect acetone will not change01:30:45
because why should God change?01:30:49
he cannot be more perfect because01:30:51
he is already perfect become less01:30:54
perfect us here it will cease to be01:30:56
God therefore he is unchangeable but that's all01:30:59
material is changeable means yes01:31:03
God is immaterial means as if he is not01:31:07
material01:31:08
it means that it is not a body that any01:31:12
material substance is the body01:31:14
which consists of parts which01:31:17
delimano these parts01:31:19
which can break down into these parts and01:31:24
thereby being mortal is the body01:31:27
and if God is not material and is not01:31:30
body therefore he is not material but eternal01:31:34
simple is not changeable and therefore it is01:31:38
the beginning of everything, all the things that01:31:43
exist and consist of some parts01:31:46
exists thanks to God who01:31:50
is the first beginning of everything therefore01:31:55
God does not yet consist of principles because01:31:57
if it consisted of some parts then01:31:59
these parts you would constitute the beginning of god01:32:03
then God would not be unchangeable, but if01:32:07
he is incorporeal to what is his nature but01:32:10
of course this is mind, God is mind or logos01:32:15
as the scripture says01:32:17
that's why but he started that's why01:32:21
here he disagrees with the dams which01:32:24
states that the mind flows from one of01:32:28
there is no first beginning, some kind of legend01:32:31
there is no hierarchy, there is no mind and being and01:32:37
from the beginning it is one and the same and that is God01:32:43
who exists sees three faces of the saint01:32:46
there is some truth here in Origen's trinity01:32:50
the sequence is not entirely clear to01:32:55
it is clear that there are 3 persons of the Holy Trinity01:32:58
equal but not quite as if not01:33:03
by chance we are talking about God the Father and the gods01:33:07
son and holy spirit in these very words01:33:11
father and son have already shown subordination01:33:15
but it is no coincidence that father and son are said to be01:33:18
father or son is more important than family, of course01:33:20
father yes and son obediently01:33:23
must obey the father what is in01:33:27
in the gospel we read that the father did something01:33:30
I do and stuff01:33:32
so I came to fulfill their will01:33:36
change it a lot in the gospel such01:33:38
here in 1 which confirm that the son01:33:41
God is just the executor of his father's will01:33:46
but the holy spirit seems to be even lower01:33:50
the essence is the same as approximately01:33:52
essence of man and his father 1 and also01:33:57
but a place in the world01:34:01
father and son are different therefore01:34:04
subordination nism according to origen not01:34:07
ontologically like Damon, but rather01:34:10
that's just submissive01:34:14
but they didn’t recognize this as a heresy01:34:16
For example01:34:17
Saint Basil the Great writes about this01:34:21
Origen's teaching that origen him to everyone01:34:24
has completely sound concepts of spirit01:34:28
however, he respects the power of custom on01:34:32
left many places by the pious and01:34:35
treatment of the spirit01:34:37
that is, despite some01:34:39
subordination of hypostasis01:34:42
this subordination does not lead to heresy01:34:44
because she's just talking about01:34:47
some such subordination is equal01:34:50
honest hypostases, although even by God01:34:55
really only calls legends01:34:57
god father when he runs just god who01:35:02
that means God the father when the year speaks of01:35:05
son he will write everything god son or god01:35:08
holy spirit that's it01:35:12
but the question arises about when and how from01:35:19
of course a son arises from a father01:35:24
God gives birth to a son not like this01:35:29
gives birth to a son in the family01:35:32
there was some date before people01:35:36
was a father then he became a father rejoices01:35:40
that he had a son01:35:42
birth of a son eternal01:35:45
because god is not in time01:35:49
God always writes today origen because01:35:54
that there is no evening for him, but I thought that01:35:57
it’s not even morning but that’s all if it can be like that01:36:00
talk about time01:36:01
equal in duration to his01:36:03
there is beginningless and eternal life before01:36:07
him one today therefore01:36:11
speaking of the birth of God the Son by God the Father01:36:15
we are talking about eternal birth01:36:18
happening in time because God01:36:22
Father is always and God the son is always here01:36:27
yes, not quite as it was said, yes it’s correct and01:36:30
but his pious thoughts about01:36:33
Holy Trinity and that's where the origen is01:36:39
begins to talk about the creation of the world01:36:44
that's where we meet him like01:36:51
situation which will be sentenced to01:36:53
the fifth cathedral begins at 5 quite01:36:58
piously on and it is quite obvious that01:37:01
the world is created by God out of nothingness out of nothing01:37:06
only this corresponds to the nature of God01:37:10
as an omnipotent being otherwise if01:37:14
matter would be with eternal God then as01:37:17
he can do all the power of a craftsman01:37:22
from something to create something but cannot01:37:26
to be two from the eternal beginning therefore god01:37:31
creates from nothingness but it is in01:37:36
ustin no laminate augustine already so01:37:38
I'm getting ahead of myself01:37:46
origin01:37:50
I do not agree that the world was created01:37:55
1 why and because the wicked together01:38:00
Therefore, it is absurd to call the nature of God01:38:02
idle or motionless or think that01:38:06
goodness is never a benefactor and01:38:08
omnipotence was once above nothing01:38:10
Mila authorities we will say that God is for the first time01:38:14
started to act not when01:38:16
created this visible world but we believe01:38:20
what is it like after the destruction of this world01:38:22
there will be another world just like before01:38:25
the existence of this world there were other worlds01:38:29
here it’s obvious when I don’t understand01:38:32
like the legends this could happen at the same time01:38:34
write in one case he writes for01:38:38
God is always unthinkable for him today01:38:42
ideas about the time of voicing01:38:46
creation of the world01:38:47
legends seem to forget about this year 10001:38:49
It’s impossible to imagine God’s coming idly01:38:52
that once he suddenly01:38:53
didn't create the world and then suddenly decided it01:38:56
create by placing God in time but I a01:39:01
because god exists during what time01:39:02
but he creates the world and has always created it before01:39:06
another world and then after our world01:39:08
there will be a different world but some measures will be taken01:39:13
in my opinion writes origen it is impossible then01:39:16
so that peace can be restored a second time01:39:18
in the same order with the same01:39:22
births, deaths and actions but this01:39:25
obviously nonsense like Heraclitus's01:39:28
or among other ancient philosophers the eternal01:39:32
such a repetition and we will be with you again01:39:35
so meet here in some time01:39:37
time there in ten thousand years01:39:39
forgetting about what happened then and Christ01:39:42
the same thing should come again and01:39:44
the rest will last without the nonsense of enemas01:39:47
therefore continues origen worlds can01:39:49
there are only different01:39:52
significant changes so01:39:54
one world state01:39:56
pins for any known reason01:39:59
the state of another world may be better01:40:02
for other reasons the condition of the third is worse01:40:06
world for other reasons it turns out01:40:09
average but what's it like01:40:11
precisely the number and state of the worlds of this01:40:14
I admit I don't know if anyone could01:40:18
show and would be happy to do this01:40:23
such a low origin quite often01:40:28
writes this kind of phrase like maybe01:40:30
I don't know, no such confidence as there01:40:36
Tamara or not so much and that Perris01:40:39
archi there one way or another about origen01:40:44
there is still a lot of debate about this01:40:47
is he really her tics and stuff is mine01:40:56
teacher of some degree and friend Alexey01:40:59
Ivanovich Sidorov01:41:00
died last year in recent years01:41:06
years of my life01:41:07
he changed his point of view too01:41:10
I thought that Origen might be understood there01:41:13
the disciples misinterpreted there01:41:16
wrong and the origen itself would be quite01:41:19
a sincere Christian in later years01:41:22
life of Alexey Ivanovich Sidorov famous01:41:24
patrol ok yes one of the best patrol ogs01:41:27
in our country it is already clear and01:41:29
I say with conviction origen condemned01:41:33
deservedly deserved but why wives for01:41:37
condemned this position of various01:41:41
worlds in number anathema then move to the fifth01:41:46
the cathedral was not included, but about the man01:41:51
only about a person where he begins01:41:54
reason origen that's where his position is01:41:57
were convicted01:41:59
Well, first of all, again, this is the beginning01:42:02
he is quite normal about the soul yes man01:42:08
of course has not only a body but also a soul01:42:10
but it’s clear that Plato understands the soul of the DPL01:42:14
pure legend, we didn’t agree01:42:17
accidentally01:42:18
Regin understands purely dad Platonovsky01:42:25
clearly not understanding how it can be there01:42:29
wedge stands are right if someone is the smartest and01:42:34
the body considers the soul01:42:36
then I would like him to answer me01:42:39
how the mind perceives concepts and01:42:43
evidence so great and difficult01:42:46
subtle things01:42:47
where does the power of memory come from, although you notice01:42:51
even if the arguments that we01:42:53
found the same payment for breakfast though01:42:56
immortality of the soul if the soul were a body01:42:58
then there would be no memory of us01:43:00
yes because the whole body would change01:43:02
100 of us seemed to have disappeared01:43:05
where does the contemplation of invisible objects come from?01:43:08
that which is known by like by like before01:43:12
eyes I see eyes that is between us01:43:14
material objects01:43:15
and what ability do I see myself not01:43:18
material objects until invisible01:43:21
why the body is inherent in understanding things01:43:23
incorporeal if the soul were a body like01:43:26
I wish I could see things disembodied01:43:28
how does bodily nature01:43:31
delves into the study of arts in01:43:34
reasoning about things and in knowing causes01:43:36
why can she know and understand01:43:39
divine dogmas which are obvious01:43:42
disembodied01:43:43
here again is pure platonism origen but01:43:49
platonism is in this and quite01:43:52
under the churches themselves thanks to many01:43:55
dam or Origen, I don’t know who01:43:58
influenced fathers more01:44:01
Cappadocians on St. Maximus01:44:03
a confessor who will also teach01:44:06
soul as an immaterial entity01:44:09
yes everything is fine here dogmatically01:44:12
true origen a lot of confusion well yes yes and01:44:16
I'm saying the same thing what I already said01:44:19
then God is eternity or God is in time but01:44:21
contradicts himself therefore he himself01:44:25
understands that there is not much confusion therefore01:44:27
his work is about beginnings01:44:29
she then seems to say oh again no01:44:33
I know maybe it could be otherwise he01:44:36
and an attempt to create a harmonious system and not01:44:38
the system itself is already like this, we clearly01:44:41
somehow in Spinoza Hegel, well, to where01:44:48
begins the question of the emergence of more precisely01:44:50
creations and souls are already arising here01:44:54
those very dubious situations in01:44:59
this is because there is a reagent here01:45:02
actually agree with Plato who01:45:05
dialogue of shadows01:45:06
writes that in the beginning God creates souls01:45:09
and01:45:11
according to a very specific limited01:45:14
quantity, namely by the number of stars or01:45:19
the number of stars corresponds to the number of donut01:45:21
no matter also and writes Origen in this01:45:24
In the beginning, God created such a number of intelligent01:45:27
or spiritual creatures or how not01:45:30
name those creatures that we named01:45:32
higher umami than in his foresight01:45:35
it could be quite certain that god01:45:39
he who determined them in advance created them01:45:42
a number of them create them first01:45:47
There are no souls and bodies yet, you see01:45:51
of course not the transmigration of souls like Plato01:45:54
but before the existence of souls these are obvious01:45:59
God created souls, how he gave them a task01:46:05
provided to the minds he created01:46:08
voluntary and free movements01:46:11
freedom he creates souls free01:46:14
of course in order to be good01:46:16
their own goods01:46:18
in the event that but will persist01:46:21
according to their own01:46:22
or that is, the same task that is worth01:46:25
she didn't go anywhere before us01:46:28
says the Lord in the Sermon on the Mount and01:46:30
so be perfect like a perfect tz01:46:33
your heavenly is also God and soul01:46:36
gave in to the task of becoming perfect ourselves01:46:40
It's not like God made them perfect01:46:41
then this good would not be theirs01:46:43
our own and we must ourselves as a consequence01:46:46
hard work01:46:48
become perfect but souls are not free01:46:54
will commit while still imperfect and lazy01:46:57
and therefore laziness and dislike01:47:00
labor in preserving the good and also01:47:04
disgust disdain for the better01:47:07
laid the foundation01:47:09
retreat from good, retreat from01:47:13
good means nothing more than to do01:47:14
evil because it is known that evil has a disadvantage01:47:17
of good01:47:18
again, Damon's thoughts or01:47:21
Platonovskaya whatever you want is difficult for me01:47:23
say who specifically influenced him01:47:25
souls are lazy instead of rising like this01:47:29
say so to improve in difficult things01:47:32
the feat of those souls01:47:35
began to fall away from God and thus01:47:38
evil began to appear01:47:41
legend uses this one01:47:44
philological version showing similarities01:47:48
everyone's words and soul and psychosis coolness like01:47:54
would the soul grow cold in love for God why01:47:59
the soul is named after the soul which is01:48:03
buckwheat is denoted by the word everyone and not01:48:06
Is it because I've lost my temper?01:48:08
divine and better state here01:48:11
clearly a trace of translation from Latin01:48:17
soul which in Greek is denoted01:48:19
in other words, this is obviously some kind of thing01:48:22
differently there was a text in Greek in01:48:24
Origen’s original, oh well, it won’t be01:48:27
that's the first thing, yes, and then when the soul01:48:30
began to disappear01:48:32
to fall away from God, that’s when God decided01:48:36
give us bodies bodies that perform01:48:40
such a task of preservation so that the soul does not01:48:43
disappeared completely and as far as possible01:48:47
From God, Stella is playing some kind of role01:48:51
auxiliary yes as a crutch for01:48:56
lame man who of course01:49:01
It would be nice not to have this crutch.01:49:04
it would be much more difficult to walk without him01:49:07
comfortable and the body turns out for us01:49:11
according to Origen secondary01:49:13
not really important and the next point01:49:23
Origen will also be at the council01:49:27
condemned as regards the latter01:49:31
the fate of souls after their resurrection by God then01:49:38
what got the name but for now it’s stasis01:49:41
universal return universal01:49:45
return of origen he argues quite01:49:48
logical and even clear01:49:50
God is omnipotent but God wants good01:49:57
how we know the salvation of all creation01:50:01
because he is good he wants salvation01:50:04
even Satan01:50:06
but god is omnipotent so he can return01:50:11
everyone back to righteousness and if he can01:50:15
it won't happen sooner or later01:50:19
may a good loving god enjoy01:50:23
to the torment of the creatures he had already created01:50:27
what is the meaning before creation01:50:29
therefore origen insist on universality01:50:32
return why church is not01:50:35
accepted but you also understand01:50:40
God created man free01:50:44
leave it back up to goodness01:50:48
which means violating free will means01:50:50
violate a person will cease to be01:50:53
man he will cease to be free well01:50:57
how can you give an example, here you are01:51:02
come vps daegu01:51:04
study then you like to study you01:51:07
enjoy reading books from01:51:11
listening to lectures from some internal01:51:14
thoughts01:51:15
from writing papers hard hard you01:51:20
understands, but it’s even more difficult for new people01:51:23
I like to overcome the networks of hardships01:51:26
difficulties but do all people love so much yes01:51:30
someone is going around there and there is a need for training01:51:33
an establishment a kilometer away, dreaming of getting there01:51:36
to some brothel there I don’t know01:51:39
drug club or this pub for him01:51:44
there he will be when he sees his library01:51:47
suffer01:51:48
he will hate it and in the pub01:51:52
he's been there all his life, he's wonderful01:51:55
he likes it there so we don't01:51:57
we are surprised at the words of the church fathers that God01:51:59
created from love for man does not want01:52:04
chakra here is for you to live there and enjoy01:52:08
listening to yours, I started talking about this topic01:52:11
talk about clive lewis there is a little01:52:14
but such a very wise little thing rastar01:52:22
they almost forgot about their marriage01:52:24
divorce is called a plot not01:52:28
I will retell it read in full01:52:31
it's small, you'll get through it in an hour01:52:34
a simple plot from hell sometimes works01:52:39
excursions to paradise that do not board01:52:43
this same bus01:52:45
conditional comes to heaven and then soon01:52:48
gets tired of looking at the clock but when01:52:52
finally we will return to our department01:52:54
although he meets relatives there too01:52:57
live in paradise it stay here like that01:52:59
Fine01:53:01
don't like it in hell you better understand01:53:06
that's why your people are free and that's why01:53:10
our free one is like that and the next one01:53:16
a question that is also rational as01:53:18
the philosopher solves the regen question of nature01:53:23
some of our bodies after the resurrection01:53:29
so literally understanding01:53:34
completely different than in the clinch, richer and01:53:37
Lazar is completely different, you know01:53:45
here we don’t have to repeat one thing01:53:50
here is what you say for so many clives01:53:53
Lewis writes a parable about the rich man and Lazarus01:53:56
in the end a parable that explains01:54:02
in a language we understand, it’s none of my business01:54:08
talk about what will happen in heaven, what will happen01:54:10
in the end I already brought the water01:54:11
some comparison yes how correct01:54:14
writes alexey before art literature01:54:22
pour out a lot, okay let's say01:54:24
come on if you raised the question like that01:54:26
dear people nice yes I understand that01:54:30
the rich man suffers, he looks at him with envy01:54:34
laser01:54:35
doesn't look how good he is there but01:54:38
maybe I'm assuming straightness01:54:41
reason, don't scold me too much, I don't01:54:44
hit me with slippers01:54:47
let's say a rich man goes to heaven01:54:53
he's greedy he's selfish he loves money he01:54:58
loves himself01:54:59
he likes to eat delicious food and likes to drink01:55:02
sweet wine and there’s nothing there he01:55:07
came to enjoy the coolness said01:55:10
but it's kind of boring there's no better way to go I'll go01:55:16
I apologize for such a fantasy of mine as01:55:21
I know we always say good things there01:55:25
where we are not01:55:27
oh it’s so good there I don’t know somewhere there01:55:31
in America in Germany how wonderful01:55:34
great good go to america01:55:37
let's say I don't think that it starts from01:55:40
I'm just taking the political argument01:55:42
some aspect why I couldn't01:55:45
I live in America for one reason01:55:48
vacation in Russia two months in America01:55:51
my wife has a one week vacation there01:55:55
sister lives and works as a professor in01:55:58
university01:55:59
vacation week legal old or there01:56:04
not all of these are yours there I don’t know there01:56:07
achievement of civilization is one factor for me01:56:10
guys interrupt me and I'm not there01:56:13
maybe I'll live in a dirty shovel01:56:15
Russia because it’s beautiful to look at01:56:17
I don’t know about the TV there and so on you’ll come01:56:21
so I apologize for maybe01:56:25
my stupid example I never like01:56:28
talk about such topics in public01:56:31
space it could just be for example01:56:34
so that when we look at01:56:35
picture everything is great and when you01:56:38
come see me at my scoreboard under on01:56:42
Dirty Russia is much more comfortable than beautiful01:56:44
wonderful01:56:46
something for me something else okay yeah01:56:49
it's good on boring before or that's it01:56:51
Lyudmila thanks again at Bernard Shaw01:56:56
someone once asked, are you such a skeptic?01:56:59
cars01:57:00
agnostic as he called himself yes01:57:03
once they asked Bernard Shaw if01:57:07
if you believed in God and God would be wherever01:57:11
did you want to be in heaven or hell?01:57:13
Joe answered something like this01:57:16
Lyudmila writes in hell of course the climate is in01:57:19
Of course the climate is better in heaven, but in hell01:57:23
people are more interesting, he's a writer, you know01:57:27
he is a writer and he is interested in writing about01:57:31
thieves there, prostitutes there, I don’t know about that01:57:34
I don’t know, but it’s boring, everyone’s the same01:57:38
Fyodor tried to write righteous people01:57:41
Mikhailovich Dostoevsky novel about01:57:43
righteous great-great-great righteous about01:57:47
Prince Myshkin that this righteous man is going down01:57:53
crazy in the end from life in our01:57:56
this world is really why01:58:02
excursions from heaven to hell and permanent residence hydrogen01:58:05
joke I really don’t know what kind of joke you have01:58:08
I mean advertising probably understands01:58:16
I'll probably tell you if maybe not everything01:58:18
know if David writes about this excursion01:58:24
this wonderful thing leads to hell01:58:27
good entertainment establishment there is not01:58:31
they know theaters like wine flows like a river there01:58:35
and so on when the angels will show heaven there01:58:39
sing on the lyre among the shady yabla01:58:43
you walk boringly wherever you want in the end01:58:45
go well of course moves to from01:58:49
then the devils are waiting for the boilers in the frying pan01:58:53
you there with the poker and we have fires there01:58:56
they're cheating somehow01:58:58
they showed a lot, well, sorry, yes it was01:59:00
advertising advertising now begins permanent residence01:59:07
tourist on this trip by the way01:59:10
I even remembered them when I was a child, I heard this01:59:11
in my opinion, even from father Vladislav the chains on01:59:14
like over tea or so popular and01:59:18
famous joke ok thanks presses01:59:22
on almost so well, it’s clear to me now01:59:26
jokes also seem to not be dogma01:59:28
we can do it a little differently01:59:31
It’s not necessary to tell the main point01:59:35
ok so that's why I'm here already01:59:38
distracted renounced what the body will be like01:59:42
resurrection, that's what many understand01:59:45
scripture literally and therefore01:59:48
perceives that we will be resurrected in that01:59:50
the form in which we died, but also not just01:59:53
I definitely don’t want to be in this kind of paradise01:59:58
crippled sick old people there, I don’t know, well02:00:03
Is a nightmare a heaven, a world of immortality?02:00:10
perfection therefore origins says that02:00:13
all bodily substance will be like this02:00:15
clean and purified so that it can be02:00:19
presented in the likeness of ether like02:00:23
it’s also so ethereal, you can even02:00:25
spherical bodies are not like our bodies02:00:30
It was these provisions that were difficult02:00:35
line up there how much was anathema02:00:39
zmapp historians there clearly say that 402:00:43
the teachings of the circus are definitely not recognized by the church02:00:49
according to the pre-existence of souls, exactly yes about that02:00:53
which is understandable and that’s why Adam was there at first02:00:56
created by the soul and not the body is what02:01:02
concerns the previous and life but also02:01:05
resurrection02:01:06
in ethereal bodies I am still in stasis02:01:10
that is, the return of all sinners and02:01:13
even Satan and demons02:01:15
back to its original state02:01:20
this is what you can say chela sophia02:01:29
origen02:01:32
which as we said this and that02:01:35
philosophy is difficult to find any02:01:41
harmony between philosophy and reason is very02:01:44
difficult and faith and Christianity yes very much02:01:49
complicated therefore and subsequently we will02:01:52
see as unnecessary02:01:57
such a passion for philosophy02:02:01
will lead to such something difficult almost02:02:05
theoretical position but we will02:02:07
see and how vice versa when neglected02:02:10
philosophy like Tertullian will also have02:02:13
lead to such heretical02:02:17
position, so it’s difficult, well02:02:21
sufficiently shown by the church fathers in02:02:26
many ways to use philosophy02:02:30
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