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good evening gentlemen this is Yulia Latynina and
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Latynina TV and today we will talk about
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why it is a bad idea to lie in war
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watch this video to the end before
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youtube is banned in Russia but first
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another victim of the war in Ukraine gender
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xander nevzorov fell in the battle for the truth with the
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death of the brave, the investigative committee
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brought a criminal case against him for the fact that
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nevzorov published a photo of the bombing of a
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maternity hospital in Mariupol and said that he was
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bombed by Russia and is
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tormenting me; it was formulated by
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nevzorov himself, who just reminded in
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his open letter to Mr.
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Bastrykin that Actually, in the water and in the
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Mariupol maternity hospital, there were
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a lot of testimonies, as well as recordings, the entire world
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press turned out to be unanimous in their assessment of
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this tragedy, and that this is the testimony of the
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side that had the opportunity to personally
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observe the crimes, which all this
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was recorded by the only structure that
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did not have the opportunity to study the essence of the detail of the
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drama, this is the Ministry of Defense and RF
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which physically did not have access instead of a
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tragedy and now Alexander Rubles is also
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accused of choosing the basis for
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his conclusions, he chose a convincing
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texture provided to the shooting range by warm
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world smiths they are pure untruths murph let
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me remind you that take a photo in the maternity hospital two
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journalists mstislav chernov evgeny
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youngster actually this there were the
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only two international journalists in
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Mariupol, they came there on purpose,
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they were then specially evacuated
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so that they would not fall into the hands of Russian
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soldiers, according to them, which they later
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talked about because they
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were looking for them, because these photos caused a
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huge resonance and the extent of this
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resonance we we can judge by two things,
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namely, these photographs received
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the highest refutation personally from
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Lavrov and personally from Konashenkov, and
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Lavrov said that, I quote, the maternity hospital was
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captured long ago by the Azov battalions,
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all women in labor were expelled from there and in general it was a
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base of the Azov battalion and
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representatives of the Ministry of Defense Mr.
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Konashenkov said that the Russian side
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didn’t bomb anyone, but still I’d like to
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know which version Alexander Gleb should
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have adhered to, that it was a base of a
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call for both the legitimate and the nation, or that
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Russian aviation didn’t bomb anyone, and who
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in this actual situation, Lavrov
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or Konoshenko, also one of they
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have to be attracted for figs in general,
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Mariupol is of course a sore spot of
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Russian propaganda, it was the photos from the
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maternity hospital that broke through the information vacuum
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because actually when
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I had Sergei Taruta here, the ex-head of the
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administration of the Donetsk region was on
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the air and he reminded that
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all the cell towers in that area were bombed including so that
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apparently information about what is
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happening in Mariupol is not transmitted, that is, this
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information blockade was broken by
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these photos, we don’t have things that are even
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more terrible, but we don’t have photos, and
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Sergei Taruta said on my air that they
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were all bombed, I emphasize everything
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I speak from his words, there is no video confirmation of the hospital,
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but this is the man who was born in
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Mariupol and that after the maternity hospital there was an
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400 people were saved, again this
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information was from the Ukrainian side and the
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worst was the drama theater where on
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both sides it was written that children were there
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hit by a fap 500 bomb, it's a giant
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bomb, I'll eat it, I
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like it, he thinks that there
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were 800 people in the theater, Sergei Taruta says
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that at first there were one and a half thousand, then
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about 200 left, and at the moment when
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the bomb fell, according to him,
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about 1,300 people remained, and we
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know that part of the bomb shelter survived and
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at least 130 people were later saved,
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but Taruta also said on our broadcast
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that some of the people didn’t have a bomb shelter, they didn’t
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just sit in the hall, and besides, it’s
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so winding and it’s absolutely not a
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fact that all the people could get out because
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no one has to clear the rubble, everything
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is shot through in order to remove the fat from
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these gigantic rubble, you need
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heavy equipment and counting for no one because
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everything is shot through and
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I have this picture before my eyes that it is
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very possible that while the crowd was
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celebrating in the Luzhniki Stadium, what was not there, they
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were celebrating the liberation of
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Ukrainians from the Nazis, those
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liberated in a diluted basement
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were dying of thirst,
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we did not whether we know this was the case or not, this is
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important to understand that we really don’t
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know, we can’t say what happened in the
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drama theater and how many victims there were,
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but once again I repeat our ignorance is
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special because in the 21st century everyone has
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mobile phones in any Burundi and in the center of
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Europe later a week after the tragedy, we
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don’t know how many people succeeded;
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subsequently, we know that at
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least 130, again from words 2 before, were saved,
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and the Ministry of Defense’s version is that the drama theater was
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blown up by the Nazis and for the calls that they
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took people hostage there, the Nazis for the
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calls they lived like that, they lived themselves in in my
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field, but suddenly the Russian
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army with tanks and artillery planes did not approach,
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and suddenly these Nazis began to level
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Mariupol with tanks and
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artillery planes, so it’s hard for him
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to fight with the Russian army, according to the Ministry of
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Defense, they began to kill
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civilians and apparently at the same time film
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Hollywood productions about what they are
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allegedly burning peaceful Russian tanks, and at
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the same time, it is not clear how
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these very few Nazis
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such an amount of Russian military
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equipment, especially considering that, according to the Ministry of
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Defense, at that time they were
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busy creating a provocation for the extermination of the
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civilian population, I will talk in more detail about what is
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happening in Mariupol on Saturday
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in the access code, the texts of people who
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escaped from this hell can be read on
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me, including Facebook,
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but now I’ll talk about something else, why it’s
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stupid to lie in war, and
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first, a small disclaimer,
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for example, the king’s sargon to, well, I’m
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without Sargon I can’t 24th century BC
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long ago describe my victories
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Sargon ravaged the city lesson destroyed its
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walls ravaged Yin-Yang more destroyed its
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walls ravaged the territories from Lagash to the
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sea and everything like that, and the puck
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attacked joyfully told how to take
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Babylon Van threw enemies to be devoured by
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wild beasts, the Mongols rejoiced when
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Genghis Khan expressed slaughtered 700 thousand
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inhabitants in measures of more than millions of Nishapur
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and in any case, according to the calculations of Dante's Rush, what did the
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great Caesar say in a couple of goals in
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Vena in the maidens, he says he came saw
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won, he did not say veni vedi
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libera ave came saw liberated and in
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general it was throughout most of
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world history you moved so that
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the rulers boasted that they were waging a war they
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conquered the city they sowed its destiny they
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led the inhabitants to the full they cut out their tongues they cut out
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all my women all the men
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who are there above the bodily wheel somehow
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It’s hard to imagine that
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Sargon or Genghis Khan suddenly declared that
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their troops approached the city and then its
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inhabitants began to massacre themselves, take
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themselves hostage, and their troops
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actually had to take the city by storm
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to put an end to the
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bloodshed, but unfortunately when
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they entered the city, there were no longer any
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inhabitants, then they slaughtered themselves and
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only a few survivors
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met the liberators with flowers and told the
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investigative committee of the Mongols there about the
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atrocities and the ruler of Merv who
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began to slaughter his people exactly when the
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mangu appeared there
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and they will tell me that all these Vienna and libero
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via began with the advent of the Soviet
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Union which, as you remember, did not extradite
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Finland, liberated the Finns from the oppression of
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capitalists and did not wage war in Afghanistan,
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provided fraternal assistance to the Afghan
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people, I want to draw your attention to
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one important detail
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which, in general, is that that
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those wars in particular from Finland
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especially the dog I won’t say so the
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war from Finland the Soviet Union didn’t
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win much, but the war in
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Afghanistan was precisely the end of its
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let’s digress for a moment from
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moral issues and talk about why to lie about
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war is a bad idea, I immediately say that what I
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mean is lies and not deception and
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not propaganda, with deception everything is
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sacred here war is the path of deception
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Sun Tzu said at the time to deceive the enemy
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to create in him the impression that you
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are going to hit from the left when
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you are going to hit from the right to create a
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he gets the impression that you are weak where you are
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strong and this, in fact, is the most important
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weapon of war, the same goes for
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propaganda, that’s how it all means, they have pathetic
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superstitions, but we have a sacred
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faith, they have a cowardly tyrant, and we have a
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noble leader, they have broken cables
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We have noble brave men to slightly
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understate our losses to improve
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morale, to slightly exaggerate the
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enemy’s losses for the same thing, it’s a
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sacred thing in this sense on the water as in
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fishing, but I don’t mean deception and
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I don’t mean propaganda, I mean lies
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directed against one’s own troops and
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own violence is not what the
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great Admiral Yamamoto was talking about,
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I quote, if you start lying, you think
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that the war is lost, that’s why
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for thousands of years there were no these
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stories about how we are liberating
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Merv from its own population,
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and the cheese that led such stories
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crumbled very easily because if
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deception is a powerful weapon such as a
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tactical nuclear charge that
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explodes in someone else’s troops, then
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accordingly, when you engage in
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self-deception, this means that you
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detonate this tactical nuclear charge about your own
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start with the first and most important thing: with
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your lies you motivate your army
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to absolute ineffectiveness why what is the
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point in the wound of war in the most
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effective destruction of the enemy, but in
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general it is quite difficult because in order to
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destroy the enemy as effectively as possible, inflict
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unacceptable military damage on him, leave him in a
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strategic losing position,
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as a rule, over risking yourself if you are
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just medieval men-at-arms otherwise, if
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you fight with the enemy, they bludgeon
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you with swords in response, and if instead they
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went to slaughter the civilian population, then in
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general, the enemy remained alive and
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can make you a booby, or there, if you are
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Paul’s battery shooting at a military
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plane, you have a big risk that you
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will fly back, but if you are
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not shooting at a military aircraft, it’s just
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unknown where, then it
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won’t fly back, and
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shooting at the enemy is very scary sometimes
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because it will fly back to you and he’s
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happy, no one likes you, a person needs
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high motivation to deliver something
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yours over your own life, but if
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your entire war consists of granite, the situation
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changes dramatically because you
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no longer need to shoot at the enemy, you can
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jump at anyone and say that
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you destroyed the enemy, you can hit
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five-story buildings and say that you
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will destroy a secret bio laboratory where
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migratory birds taught to spread
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ethnically oriented viruses that
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undermine the reproductive capacity of
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Russian women, it’s just that the disposition
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is changing, the Chinese troops, by the way, really
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liked to do this in the average China
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if they were sent against some
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barbarians, the barbarians knew how to fight,
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and the peasants who lived nearby, the conclusion was not
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able to report because
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heads were required for the report it’s just that the Chinese
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troops attacked their own
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Christians, they cut off their heads, they said,
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add this up, we brought the same barbarians here,
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although sometimes the heads were with
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hair of a different color, you had to
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and so, in fact, if you start out
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like in a war, then a completely
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different life begins for you there, if you are a
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tank commander, instead of shooting at the
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enemy who is shooting back, well,
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let’s turn the turret around, shoot at the
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destroyed houses, report to him that you
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carried out a heroic battle of shells, you
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no longer have them, you need to go to the rear, or again,
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if you are a general, there is absolutely no need for them
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there carefully plan the operation
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save the soldiers check the equipment
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thoroughly conduct reconnaissance to know that
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no, this particular building is a
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military warehouse, you can strengthen any
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building and say that it was a military
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warehouse even there if you are a quartermaster, you don’t
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have to worry about supplying soldiers in such a situation when storing
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give them an expired ration sheet
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write that go there were fresh connections
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go drive to the left this is the best thing I
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heard from the symbol of this war of course I
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thought that this was the story of Christ sinker
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non-working crypto plywood but yesterday
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Peter 1 the head of the energy volume told me and
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that the epic story about why there
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was no nuclear disaster at the
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Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which was
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occupied by Russian troops and where they judges
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planted direct fire on the reactor, the answer is
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because some of the shells, a large
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number of shells were old,
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substandard, they did not explode and one
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of them got stuck in the insulator of block 6, which
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means, accordingly, it did not it exploded,
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it didn’t cause any damage, it wasn’t made of noobs, it damaged the
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insulator, but it didn’t damage the transformer,
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but if I did, it damaged the transformer, we
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’d be in a little bit of a
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different world now, of course, this is the story
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about an unexploded shell,
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thanks to which no
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serious problems happened at the nuclear power plant.
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here is the symbol of this war once again in
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the district and is not a strategic
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danger for any army because
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war is a harsh reality check for me, people
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constantly strive to exaggerate their
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exploits, embellish the difficulties of attracting
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from the loss of the enemy, and any general
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always fights against this spontaneous lie
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arising from human nature
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because that he understands that if he
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doesn’t fight this lie himself, then this
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lie will be a bomb that will be
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planted under his troops and they together
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depend on the air, and here instead of
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limiting the lies we
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are told at every stage oh maternity hospital but that means in the
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first of my days blew up and secondly
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there were Nazis our shy
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Sargon 2 when you do not admit
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that you are waging a war you are thereby
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admitting that you are committing a
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crime when Sargon boasted Sean
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destroyed the city and sowed it with salt from
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this you will agree that this is a
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valiant act but if Sargon
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is shy, this means that he thereby
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makes it clear that what makes this
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crime the third gigantic
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component of success is new and not this is the fighting
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spirit of your troops, the question is what kind of
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fighting spirit they can have with him directly through
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all channels, speak quietly, there is no war
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here they see your actions are really
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dedicated to denying their
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this is really even worse than what
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happened in Afghanistan because you
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know, there is such a military category of
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words, this is such a
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thing that was invented
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many, many thousands of years ago just so
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that people would die with a dream about, too,
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but they will be glorified for centuries among
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their people, and in Afghanistan, soldiers
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fought at night and in the morning they learned from the newspapers
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that the height that they did not take, putting down
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their own, was taken by the local Sarandon, but in
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fact at that time the rand from the trial is your
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back but what do you think motivated
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these people and the lady motivated the soldiers, well
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of course the answer was what motivated this is what the
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words look like for a pilot who hears
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what it means no one bombed the company and we
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see how demoralized the Russian
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soldiers are too well, in reality what is happening
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before our eyes is like this film adaptation of an
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inhabited island, remember when you
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left the Strugatsky people sent
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to war from the radiator coverage area and
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they inevitably experienced a shock because,
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well, we already know the stories of soldiers
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who were not even told that they were being sent
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to war, but of course there can’t be a
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little bit there exaggerates the bulbs, but
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in principle they really were not prepared
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for war, but were prepared either for exercises and
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years for the fact that you know, you will now
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be greeted here with flowers during the liberation from the
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Nazis, and then we see their negotiations,
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what does it mean with flowers and met and so
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she came grandmother fed pies
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68 price went home and
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4 one of the important components of war is to
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undermine the enemy’s morale, weaken
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his will to resist, this
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happens if you fight effectively, but
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if the enemy hears that you are bombing his
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children’s dinner with their parents and also
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claims that he is does it himself and at the
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same time he sees how your column
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cuts circles around the forces as your
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soldiers surrender, cry and say they
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don’t know that they were sent to war, that’s what
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you think is the enemy’s morale to
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5 West what is most important for Russia is that
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the West accepted fewer sanctions against
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Russia and so that it would put fewer weapons
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at the edge, which
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brother’s house was bombed here, then they also lied about this question, the
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sanctions will be less or more, the answer is of
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course more, you ask then why are they
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lying, this answer is very simple and we’ll
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talk about it’s in the access code, but
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because I’ve been talking for twenty minutes, I
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honestly thought that I would talk less
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instead I’ll try to answer
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a couple of your interesting questions, if
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you have any, and before
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answering these questions I’ll remind you of
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a few important ones moments
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owners we have transcripts of
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our broadcasts and this conversation with very
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important people who are they they always speak
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themselves sometimes I try
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for my listeners to create as
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complete a picture as possible from first-hand experience
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today, for example, in literally an
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hour and a half we will be talking with Alexey to the
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left, this was recently the governor of the
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Kiev region, and now he
00:20:25
seems to be a member of the defense council, it’s called the
00:20:28
Kiev region and somehow it’s
00:20:29
different, but since this is
00:20:32
one of the most important things that
00:20:34
happens in Mariupol and the Kiev region
00:20:36
Irpen Bucha Gostomel
00:20:39
which, unfortunately, is very similar in them,
00:20:42
what’s happening is what’s happening in
00:20:44
Mariupol with the only big and important
00:20:46
difference being that almost in all these places the
00:20:49
population managed to offend one way or another
00:20:51
because it was not surrounded but
00:20:53
was not in a bag and most of the people ran away
00:20:56
and we will talk about this with Alexey
00:20:59
Kule buy first hand and he will
00:21:01
tell us in the radio of the sabotage group
00:21:02
that operates from Kiwi to my
00:21:05
really, at least from the words of
00:21:07
my Ukrainian interlocutors, to my
00:21:09
surprise because I thought
00:21:11
that but this is more of an urban
00:21:16
I remind you that yesterday we had an
00:21:19
absolutely amazing interview with Peter
00:21:21
Kotte about the head of the Ukrainian Energy Atom
00:21:25
it’s so simple, it’s absolutely an
00:21:29
incredible person who was about to
00:21:30
tell how he sang there, just if
00:21:33
you cut something out of this interview, then there’s
00:21:34
simply nothing to cut out of it, but I think
00:21:36
that of course the star part of his story
00:21:39
was the story about how people in Chernobyl
00:21:43
came out with stories about the change didn’t
00:21:46
leave Chernobyl for several weeks and it
00:21:49
turns out it was a personal desire to
00:21:53
damn Chernobyl Chernobyl Chernobyl
00:21:56
station to them at Chernobyl Zaporozhye
00:21:58
everything was fine there the shift changed,
00:22:00
but from Azov Chernobyl the shift did not leave the
00:22:04
station for several weeks and it was at
00:22:07
their personal request because these people
00:22:10
saw that they were trying to send someone from Russia to
00:22:12
replace them, and since this was not an
00:22:14
operating station with very great
00:22:16
specifics, they were not sure that the
00:22:18
people who replaced them
00:22:21
were simply qualified
00:22:23
people who could manage the
00:22:25
processes in the sarcophagus, as for the
00:22:28
Zaporozhye station then there Peter
00:22:30
told an amazing story that
00:22:33
we all knew a little about before that,
00:22:36
that in Energodar the protests did not subside, in
00:22:38
particular there a crowd
00:22:40
waving Ukrainian flags
00:22:43
attacked literally attacked the
00:22:46
Russians who had gathered cyphers who were
00:22:49
dragging someone into their UAZ and she almost
00:22:51
knocked over this UAZ and they
00:22:53
were forced to let this man go despite the fact
00:22:56
that they were shooting in the air and
00:22:58
this is a very well-known contrast between the
00:23:01
Russian crowd that is running from having gathered
00:23:03
a cypher and the Ukrainian crowd which in
00:23:06
this case is repelling the man, but the
00:23:08
most beautiful thing in this story is
00:23:11
that I remind you of the city of Energodar but it
00:23:18
power engineers, which was created from scratch and,
00:23:20
accordingly, a huge number of people
00:23:22
who live in it, and these are people who
00:23:26
came from Russia because they
00:23:27
received education as nuclear physicists, as a rule, well,
00:23:29
not physicists from what
00:23:31
men, but as nuclear engineers, as a
00:23:33
rule, in Russia, by the way, myself Peter Kotte,
00:23:35
but he is Ukrainian, but he came from Russia,
00:23:38
that is, these were people who spoke
00:23:40
Russian and who, in general,
00:23:43
were born in Russia and who
00:23:46
felt like Ukrainians because of course now
00:23:48
Ukrainian is a state of mind, their place of
00:23:51
birth is like these people moved
00:23:57
to Ukraine, yes, they live in a democratic
00:24:00
country, they have the air of freedom playing the
00:24:04
right joke on them,
00:24:07
and I urge you to listen to an
00:24:10
amazing interview with a cat, which is
00:24:13
very poorly heard here because we
00:24:15
made a very serious mistake when
00:24:17
streaming the beast, a technical
00:24:20
error, but which resulted led to the fact
00:24:22
that now twice as
00:24:26
many people are watching me and than Katina was watching,
00:24:28
although in fact, of course Katin was
00:24:31
absolutely exceptional, the stream was
00:24:35
Anthony asking me what I think about
00:24:38
the entry of the Republic of Belarus into the war, and
00:24:40
Antonio, I want to say that tomorrow
00:24:43
I hope there will be one of the advisors,
00:24:47
Svetlana Quietly Nose, who will answer
00:24:51
this question much better than me myself, I’ll
00:24:54
just say very briefly that Putin is trying
00:24:57
in every possible way for David Lukashenko to
00:24:59
enter the war, and Lukashenko really does not
00:25:02
want to enter the war for the simple
00:25:05
reason that, as far as I know, not only
00:25:09
people are determined against Lukashenko, but even
00:25:12
among that small number of people
00:25:17
are supporters of Lukashenko,
00:25:21
Belarusian Crimea Nashi
00:25:24
pensioners, of whom
00:25:27
sand is pouring out of their heads and Belarusian security
00:25:29
forces, so among these people
00:25:33
from the middle, the majority is also
00:25:36
categorically against the war in Belarus with
00:25:38
Ukraine, Belarus is a very small country
00:25:41
where losses, unlike Russia, will be
00:25:45
to hide, just as they are impossible, for example,
00:25:47
to hide in Chechnya, and I personally am absolutely
00:25:50
sure that if Lukashenko enters the
00:25:53
war, then on the one hand it will be a
00:25:56
gigantic problem for supplying Kiev
00:25:59
and a gigantic threat to Kiev, but
00:26:01
strategically this will be the end of
00:26:04
Lukashenko’s regime because this will be
00:26:06
exactly the case when the army turns its
00:26:09
weapon against the dictator and this will be the
00:26:11
case when if the Ukrainian army comes
00:26:13
to the land of Belarus together with the Belarusian
00:26:18
will really be greeted with
00:26:21
Lukashenko’s flowers, I think understands perfectly well that’s
00:26:23
why he’s spinning around like he’s in a frying pan
00:26:25
so far it’s still being turned away there’s
00:26:28
already been a lot of different rumors, as I
00:26:34
Frank will answer this question for us tomorrow
00:26:37
much better than me, but for now I can
00:26:41
say that these are the negotiations that
00:26:44
are being conducted in Gomel, but this Absolutely, of
00:26:45
course, fake negotiations, suffice it
00:26:47
to say that on the Russian side they are
00:26:49
being conducted by Medinsky, but I don’t know if they would
00:26:52
have sent a poodle yet, but they are just
00:26:55
for Lukashenko this is the fig
00:26:57
leaf that he waves and says,
00:26:59
well, you see, I’m negotiating, which
00:27:00
means I’m thanks to this I don’t have to
00:27:03
retreat into the war, I’ll answer literally
00:27:07
2 more questions because it’s time for me
00:27:11
to wrap up and are preparing for another
00:27:15
remind you that we will have an access code on
00:27:18
Saturday where I will talk in much more
00:27:21
detail, they also ask me about money
00:27:24
about the currency that owned the game, I
00:27:27
refused to take it in exchange for gas and from
00:27:30
unfriendly countries he demanded to
00:27:32
pay him in rubles, well, who is this? 1
00:27:35
case recorded in history when it
00:27:38
means the ruler demanded to pay him
00:27:43
also have a question before this, I
00:27:46
saw why I’m not inviting
00:27:49
now, just a second, I just want to answer a
00:27:51
couple important questions and before, but
00:27:55
Kirill, what are your thoughts about the fact that
00:27:57
the pipeline is still pumping through Ukraine,
00:27:59
how is this even possible
00:28:01
Kirill, I can honestly say that I myself
00:28:04
want to understand this issue, I am
00:28:06
absolutely not an expert in it, I will just
00:28:09
make inquiries the only thing I
00:28:12
remember from the
00:28:14
parallel story is the story that
00:28:16
took place in the Donbass, it is very
00:28:18
well known to everyone that while in the
00:28:22
Donbass this was all happening,
00:28:25
nevertheless, various smuggling routes through
00:28:27
which they were exported between Dondas and
00:28:33
coal, vodka and all sorts of
00:28:36
other things were circulated for some reason they never
00:28:39
bombed and, in fact, even
00:28:40
along these paths there was a lot of Damascus,
00:28:43
now the well-known beech was traveling on the territory
00:28:46
and why should they
00:28:50
listen to Shoigu and Shoigu from the radars is a
00:28:54
big sign and in fact, in addition to
00:28:56
Shoigu, they ask me about Anatoly
00:28:59
Borisovich Chubais
00:29:01
who here we were strengthened by
00:29:04
Russian creepers in the industry and
00:29:06
suddenly showed up abroad and
00:29:13
what would it be like to treat those
00:29:16
officials, Putin’s officials and
00:29:19
Putin’s oligarchs who are abandoning a
00:29:21
successfully sinking ship, well,
00:29:24
first of all, it seems to me that Anatoly
00:29:27
Boris is not even my mentality, but it’s quite
00:29:30
obvious that NATO or speech apparently understood
00:29:33
that in the configuration of power that
00:29:36
is taking shape in Russia, it will be
00:29:38
dispossessed first by those people who
00:29:41
came to power in Russia, now
00:29:45
they have no other ways of
00:29:50
creating protective bags except
00:29:56
all sorts of oligarchs and all sorts of Chubais of me
00:30:00
in general I think that in this sense, this is a very
00:30:02
big problem for those large
00:30:04
businesses that will remain in Russia,
00:30:06
because as the food
00:30:08
supply declines, of course, these Russian
00:30:11
characters of ours who are now in power will begin to
00:30:13
eat human flesh, but regarding how
00:30:17
Chubais will be met here, this is an
00:30:19
interesting question because there is a general
00:30:22
question that I have been asked many times about
00:30:25
Russian exiles, to which I have probably answered once
00:30:28
and for all, well,
00:30:32
will return to it, but I would like to
00:30:34
answer it because I have a lot of
00:30:36
questions about the fact that these are the poor people
00:30:38
who are now they fled from Putin and their
00:30:40
master card was blocked, their
00:30:42
visa was blocked, completely
00:30:44
fair questions, I would like to say
00:30:48
first thing is that a monstrous human tragedy is happening
00:30:53
in Ukraine, first of all,
00:30:57
people in the center of Europe
00:31:00
who lived a normal human
00:31:02
life which, my listeners, they
00:31:05
now most likely have a home code,
00:31:13
dog, and until the electricity is on in a
00:31:18
place like Mariupol, they lost it all,
00:31:21
they lost every day, they see
00:31:24
each other, friends and relatives
00:31:27
who are simply dying under the rubble,
00:31:30
and so I spoke and will talk about
00:31:34
Mariupol today we will talk to the
00:31:37
cheekbones about what is happening in Gaston
00:31:39
or in Irpen and in Bucha,
00:31:45
it is clear that these people who are dying
00:31:48
and who are fleeing the war are the
00:31:51
number one problem compared to their problems,
00:31:54
just imagine, just now you
00:31:56
are sitting and a shell falls on you or on the neighboring house
00:32:00
and turns everything into
00:32:03
a race and your car burns out and you
00:32:06
actually don’t even care about the car anymore, and I’m in
00:32:11
one of the posts that I read, it’s terrible,
00:32:14
what was happening in Mariupol was not there, I was
00:32:16
struck by one phrase, a woman says, I
00:32:20
betrayed my cat, she went down to
00:32:24
the bomb shelter and didn’t become him take her with her
00:32:26
because she was afraid that he would run away there, he
00:32:29
remained in a locked apartment and in the morning she
00:32:31
did not have the strength to go up to this apartment, I
00:32:36
was so scared she was there, someone was
00:32:39
leaving, she was able to leave and
00:32:42
as you understand the code, this is the least
00:32:45
problem in comparison with relatives
00:32:47
who are under rubble, imagine this
00:32:49
is the most important problem, the second
00:32:53
problem is, of course, those Russians who
00:32:56
are now in Kiev and whose
00:32:58
bank accounts have been blocked.
00:33:01
Many of these Russians also fled from
00:33:05
many of these people write to me, I
00:33:07
asked a question about these people Alexey
00:33:10
Arrestovich to his adviser Zelensky, he
00:33:12
said now we don’t have time to separate the
00:33:15
sheep from the goats in such a situation,
00:33:17
be patient after the war, you will all have the
00:33:20
third question, are those Russians completely
00:33:23
not necessarily oligarchs, are they rich people,
00:33:25
just very often, these are 20-25 year old people,
00:33:28
young IT specialists, anyone who is
00:33:30
just Now they have fled
00:33:33
penniless or with blocked
00:33:35
cards to Europe, and I believe that these
00:33:38
people who are now in court are in a
00:33:40
very unpleasant situation and,
00:33:43
unlike the Ukrainians, who welcome everyone
00:33:48
no one is waiting for these people; they are representatives of the
00:33:50
aggressor country at that time as in
00:33:53
fact, the war that Putin is waging,
00:33:55
but somehow it is blasphemous to compare
00:33:57
shells with the slow strangulation of freedom, the
00:34:02
war that Putin is waging, he is also waging
00:34:05
against these people, he is also waging against the
00:34:07
future of Russia, and
00:34:09
these people are of course a huge resource
00:34:12
because if these people do not return to
00:34:17
the fact that these people will not be in
00:34:19
Russia is comparable in its consequences
00:34:21
to the most severe economic
00:34:24
sanctions because this is a brain drain and
00:34:26
this means that this is what the
00:34:29
West wants to do: economically strangle
00:34:31
Russia, provided that if these people do not
00:34:33
return, it will simply double
00:34:38
fourth question is it the oligarchs
00:34:43
or just big businessmen who
00:34:46
quite flourished along the way under
00:34:48
Putin but at the same time laid the
00:34:52
foundations of their fortunes earlier and who
00:34:56
always thought that they
00:35:01
integrated into Western life as it seemed to them, suddenly
00:35:04
they were there as times as Abramovich
00:35:06
found themselves under various sanctions,
00:35:08
of course, I consider these people
00:35:10
hostages of everyone except those who made
00:35:14
their fortune thanks to Putin,
00:35:16
well, like Kovalchuk and or
00:35:18
the Rotenbergs, or this is an important point,
00:35:21
joyfully used administrative
00:35:24
resources, for example, it is known that such a
00:35:26
person as Vladimir Yevtushenkov,
00:35:28
despite the fact that ultimately he himself suffered
00:35:30
from the regime and even found himself under
00:35:32
house arrest at one time because it means he didn’t
00:35:35
want to give everything up during the tower because it
00:35:38
means he was betting on Dmitry Medvedev and
00:35:40
it was told what it means that
00:35:42
Medvedev had some other internal relations
00:35:44
with Bashneft that is now well known
00:35:47
in the Russian business world, that Mr.
00:35:48
Yevtushenkov, despite the fact that he really
00:35:51
suffered from the regime and this was a person
00:35:53
who, despite how he suffered, very
00:35:55
actively used various, let’s say,
00:36:00
contracts among the
00:36:02
FSB officers, the name of Mr. Voronin was mentioned,
00:36:05
but here I repeat again from my
00:36:10
point of view, these people people like Fridman
00:36:12
and Abramovich are hostages,
00:36:20
different they are to each other and how they will
00:36:23
behave, that is, which side they will
00:36:25
take, and finally the last fifth
00:36:28
category are officials like Chubais,
00:36:32
for me it’s all very simple and
00:36:36
my degree of sympathy for these people
00:36:39
depend entirely on
00:36:43
what they are after him, how effectively they
00:36:46
were engaged in the area of work entrusted to them,
00:36:49
but if this was a person who, even
00:36:52
under the Putin regime, but he is an official, he
00:36:54
lost the garden and he may have
00:36:58
achieved nothing particularly good there, but he
00:37:01
tried to do really well
00:37:02
did his job and at least
00:37:05
somehow made life easier for Russia because
00:37:07
there are such officials, effective
00:37:09
officials, then I perceive them as
00:37:14
Chubais, from my point of view, at the post of
00:37:17
Rusnano was monstrously ineffective, he does not
00:37:20
meet this definition of an
00:37:23
effective official, he was a person
00:37:26
who he was doing exactly the same as
00:37:28
Shoigu said he was doing PR in the
00:37:31
same way Chubais where are his achievements
00:37:34
except that he laundered the regime and
00:37:36
said that he was a representative of the
00:37:40
he said that Putin is good but even
00:37:44
such a person as Chubais, who in
00:37:46
my opinion should simply be covered with the shame of
00:37:49
ineffectiveness post of the head of Rusnano,
00:37:52
now his position in the West depends
00:37:55
on roughly speaking, how loudly he
00:37:58
betrays the former boss, that is, from my point of
00:38:01
view, who should be the first to
00:38:05
open his mouth louder and how Sergei Pugachev begins to
00:38:08
and begins to apologize,
00:38:10
but how is this the same as in American
00:38:14
justice to active repentance
00:38:16
association for assistance in the investigation, what if
00:38:20
he starts telling me that I’m not guilty,
00:38:22
I’m a hostage, but I don’t think he’ll have a
00:38:27
good reception then
00:38:31
almost 18 thousand people are watching us and I
00:38:35
just really want to say goodbye because I
00:38:38
repeat again, I just left with
00:38:40
this short story about the ineffectiveness of
00:38:43
the war and I wanted to very much support
00:38:47
Alexander Nevzorov, whom I
00:38:49
absolutely admire, and
00:38:53
here he asks me about the US
00:38:55
conservative media, which I recommend
00:38:58
reading and watching guys, which
00:39:01
US conservative media are we war
00:39:04
in Ukraine now is not the time for global
00:39:06
warming now is not the time dragging around is not up to the
00:39:09
problems of transgender people and let's not
00:39:13
the head of MI-6, the real English
00:39:19
posted in a tweet said that
00:39:24
in this difficult time of the war with Ukraine,
00:39:26
let's not forget about our main
00:39:28
achievements, namely achievements in the
00:39:31
fight for rights lgbt community and I
00:39:34
wrote this to him in the comments, I hope that this is
00:39:36
encryption, otherwise we have problems,
00:39:41
now for me there are no non-conservative
00:39:45
and democratic media, especially since there is
00:39:49
often no Kirov Carlson for me, whom I used to
00:39:51
respect very much and who is now
00:39:53
talking some kind of outrageous nonsense about
00:39:56
President Feed Perova Nova
00:39:58
President Zelensky, otherwise it’s just that
00:40:01
a lot of American conservative
00:40:04
media, which I respected very much, are now
00:40:06
behaving, let’s say, very strangely in
00:40:08
relation to this story in relation to
00:40:11
this war, once again I will
00:40:15
talk in more detail about America’s position in the access code
00:40:18
and by the way if we are talking about the position of
00:40:22
America, I just want to remind you that
00:40:24
the position of America very much depends,
00:40:26
unlike many positions of democracy of the
00:40:31
on the position of the citizens themselves, and
00:40:34
look how Biden’s position is
00:40:36
undergoing changes as
00:40:38
more and more Americans are very
00:40:41
tough sympathizes with Ukraine, many
00:40:43
of them demand to close the sky, but I
00:40:46
mentioned the petition that was posted
00:40:49
created by American citizens,
00:40:51
posted on the website brand of corned beef, it
00:40:54
seems it is called protect ukraine
00:40:57
on ew.com it is published on such a site, which
00:40:59
means this is a petition that
00:41:03
every American citizen does not
00:41:06
have to a speaker of Russian is not
00:41:07
necessarily a Russian-speaking or
00:41:10
Ukrainian-speaking person can download sign
00:41:14
or sign another petition send to
00:41:16
his own congressman and so I
00:41:19
come up with this example as to
00:41:22
what extent American public
00:41:24
opinion is to what extent the American
00:41:26
political situation is in
00:41:29
good feedback with its
00:41:35
's see how the position will evolve
00:41:38
President Baidin following the
00:41:42
position of American citizens and how the
00:41:46
red line that he initially
00:41:47
had somewhere very far away will
00:41:50
gradually be drawn in a completely
00:41:52
different place; another thing is that it is very
00:41:55
important that these red lines keep up
00:41:58
with the change in the situation because it is very
00:42:01
possible that, relatively speaking, blinks will be
00:42:04
provided to Ukraine, but this will happen
00:42:06
at the moment when it is already a question
00:42:09
of not providing moments that the
00:42:11
sky will be completely closed or they will decide to
00:42:14
close it was not, but this will happen at the
00:42:16
moment when it will be too late
00:42:18
because do not delude yourself despite
00:42:22
all these shameful things that we
00:42:27
see regarding how white the
00:42:29
is, the iron is an iron and it is very difficult to fight with an iron,
00:42:34
Yulia Latynina was with you and you
00:42:39
had a tie and come to us in
00:42:41
just over an hour I
00:42:43
remind you to listen to Alexey q or with a
00:42:48
story about what is really
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