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Yes, Alexey Venediktov

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is joining us in the studio, we

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can really touch each other and

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make sure that we are not deepfakes who are

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now spreading some sensations from a

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past life, yes, journalist Alexey

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Venediktov is with us, good Good morning

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Zdra And let's start with Maria's statement

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you are not singing do you think the version is

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that the

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exchange negotiations reached the final stage, but

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Alexei Navalny was killed, you don’t

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think this version is plausible, can you

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explain why no, I can’t explain

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why I won’t

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explain because, as

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German MP Sergei Lagodinsky correctly said, the

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negotiation stage continues

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relatively other flight of prisoners and

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any disclosure especially of negotiations

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Yesterday I met here in Berlin and I realized

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that, in general, regardless of

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Maria singers’ desire to do good and kindness, they are

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really representatives of the

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German authorities, let’s say, they seemed to embarrass them,

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so the only thing I can say is

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that Maria singers says that this her first

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negotiations Yes, the first one is VM

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hold down

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and therefore just her knowledge about how it

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goes, they are primary

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and nothing was in the final

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stage. So there are

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many stages in the negotiation process, but there are two

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stages, one stage is called the actual

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agreement, and before it there is a

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discussion where different completely

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different proposals are possible, so the Supreme Council was at the

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discussion stage, as far as I know, I did

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not participate in this as far as

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Alexei

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Navalny is concerned, in others it was a

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discussion stage where the

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most exotic

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proposals for an exchange were expressed, which included Alexei

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Navalny, this is true and this is not

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is deceiving and she definitely says it, but

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this was the stage of discussion, no

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operational decisions as far as I know,

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since I sort of participated in the

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part that concerned Ivan

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Rach's

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marriage with Nigo and the horse, these discussions

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began, discussions regarding Alexei

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Navalny began with the fact that Putin gave

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Consent and when Marie Constanti says

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we reached an agreement with Putin,

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we reached an agreement, he

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was in Putin’s hands, yes, we need to be more precise here,

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so I’m extremely careful, I remind you

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that we are also trying, as it were, Those who somehow

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remember about them, this matter cannot be interrupted

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therefore, I think public speaking and

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public polemics are wrong

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Uh-huh Well, discussions on which Ales have

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discussions on which Well, these are just

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conditional deputies which no no no no

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at all which not not with some oligarchs

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some deputies No, look at the discussions

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in which a is mentioned Ivan Gershkovich

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at Ilan Krasikov and Alexei Navalny, this

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was when there was a go-ahead from

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state leaders at this level Biden Scholz

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Putin And to make it clear, discussions

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among themselves are not conducted by deputies or

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politicians, but by intelligence officers And all the

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other deputies, I repeat Sergei

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Lagodinsky, they are their own

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governments lobbying Well, in order to

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promote, yes, that is, they are

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here, as it were, a technological thing, but

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because if the top officials gave the go-ahead that

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Well, let's Talk, yes

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Let's try, and after that it all

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begins, and if the top officials in this

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case may be there according to Lily Chanysheva

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first a person is not necessary in a natural way

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And according to Ulan Gershkovich Navalny,

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of course, the first persons gave the go-ahead and

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in the discussion it’s not a decision, this is a

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rather subtle difference, but it

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exists

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and therefore Yes, there are intermediaries, of course, and

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she correctly mentions one of them,

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this is true, true Maria Constantino about

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they learned about this about Abramovich after the

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death of Alexei Navalny. Well, he was

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the main one, he was the main one from the moment of the exchange of

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grayr nabuta, he was the main

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intermediary, the main intermediary, the non-

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decision-making mediator, and of course, he was

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not the only one who reported to Putin that the

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exchange of Navalny was not possible.

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Abramovich, but in fact, you

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just need to be more careful now

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because, well, just be more careful.

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Because now, as Sergei

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Lagodinsky said. Again, yes, the

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Bundestag deputy needs to think about the living too.

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And yes, this is such a story now, it’s very

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fragile because a step has really been taken

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back, and in general, we need to patch up the hole that was

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broken in this ship of the negotiation

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process, the lobby of the negotiations, but I

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only have a purely technical question, but

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as far as I remember, Abramovich’s name

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generally came up when the Azov people were taken

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to Turkey, when

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you want to ask about the military And about the

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political ones, these are different stories. They are,

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of course, different. history But really,

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Roman Arkadievich, as we know, as it is

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publicly known, is tied up in the negotiation

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process and I repeat there. The central

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story was not so much Azov Skol

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Booth, the truth is that everything is somehow, well, there are inaccuracies

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in general and it doesn’t matter, but for example he

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says He took it there on his plane

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Yes no he took it out on a plane on the

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orders of the King of Saudi Arabia, he

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specially flew to Moscow and took out

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the grainer on the Azov air force. And this is a very

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complex process and Roman Arkadievich

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apparently enjoys the trust of the president. And

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in this matter, yes, but not with complete trust,

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of course the president does not trust Putin uh I

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think even to my intelligence officers But

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you must understand that the exchange

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is carried out by the FSB

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Well, Navalny is dying and this leads

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to a certain death dying is dying

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this leads to certain thoughts I

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don’t have certain thoughts and it does

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n’t matter, it means the decision was not

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made finalization did not happen A

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and he died and political

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consequences occur therefore it is connected not connected

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it could not be connected because the

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decision was not made and at any moment

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it could be disrupted, as

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several such exchange stories have already been disrupted not

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with him but with another time.

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There was a case when one of the

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defendants at the last moment refused

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to return and the whole chain of failure

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because the demands of different parties

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are different. It may not be important for health;

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the fact is important to us; I don’t see this connection.

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Because Navalny was in the hands of the

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Kremlin, Russia, Putin and at any

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moment it could have been interrupted at any

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moment

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in

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this in this sense. It seems to me that this

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attraction is to connect Negotiations on

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fate means Ivan Gershkovich with the death of

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Alexei Navalny, you said a phrase and the

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political consequences came.

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What are they? Well, first of all, everyone sees this, the

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society has perked up

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because even people who are completely

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loyal to the president, in any case,

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such people as the body they don’t

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give out This is that That is, how That is, even yes

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yes Navalny How the body doesn’t give out

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you don’t confuse anything I say I do

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n’t confuse anything the body doesn’t give out And what yes that’s

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clear And when people brought flowers, it was

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n’t civil activists who carried it. Yes, it’s

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not Navalny’s associates who are

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scattered all over the world, just people

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who were outraged, firstly, by this

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violent death and secondly by the non-

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handing over of the body, and I’m just

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predicting goodbye to Akim

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Navalny who Apparently it will take place

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this week, as His Companions say, and

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that means there will be a huge place at his grave,

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which means a

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sea of flowers and a sea of people, or a sea of

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people and a sea of flowers, because

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people will come there, not just

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activists and outsiders, it’s outrageous, it’s

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outrageous, and these are the consequences.

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Yes, this, yes this is, first of all, this

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has perked up additionally, this is like with

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Nadezhda, we are only cooler Yes,

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society’s request for change, but no, this is not for

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change. This is society’s question for the martyr,

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too, and the second story concerns the

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fact that with the departure of Alexei

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Navalny, he disappeared Well, as if the moral

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Leader of the Opposition is not organizational but

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moral, and this place is vacant and

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this place is accordingly for this place.

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So we see Yulia Naval. Today,

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by the way, she is speaking in the European Parliament and the

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European Parliament will adopt a resolution

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in memory of Alexei Navalny or

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some kind of resolution there I haven’t seen it

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literally today and we can say that it

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will be an overwhelming majority of votes

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because yesterday the European Parliament approved the

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budget, which included the Ukraine Assistance Fund of

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50 billion. These are the same deputies who

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voted 536 for and 40 against. So, so

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that there is no doubt, and here we are

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the configuration of the opposition because Yulia

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Navalnaya, unlike Alexey, does not bear the

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burden of conflicts that NS

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Alexey not only with the leaders of the opposition

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there with Khodorkovsky there with Kam with the press there is nothing to

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complain about but does not bear

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the burden That burden of a sandwich with Ukrainians yes

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Or That burden rodents with Georgians Yes, that’s all,

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no, although Alexey has already apologized to this

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and I’m still not on

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this, it’s chemically pure, this is also a

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political consequence, I’m now talking

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about political consequences and I think I’ll

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tell your viewers, our viewers will be the first

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to know, apparently today a decision will be made

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about farewells and and now

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just at the funeral and right now just here you and

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I are sitting and there is a finalization going on

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because there is a family there, there are

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Companions there there is the mayor's office and there is the

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presidential administration and in sight the General

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decision of all Ron The decision is this and there is

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the final stage. So I think today,

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if nothing goes wrong, if someone

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higher up is not hit in the head or

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hit somewhere, then today we will

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find out where we can say goodbye to

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Alexei Navalny and where he will be

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buried. Why did they delay

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and who are confused administration the

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administration is not the performers,

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just the decision on how to say goodbye Where to

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store it was made I remember and probably

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those who lived in Moscow remember when

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Nemtsov was killed and it was allowed there This

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march Yes in memory And then and then the

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Nemtsov bridge arose this very thing and every

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time means doing what to do and,

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in fact, for 9 years there

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were practically no

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obstacles there because Priti to lay

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flowers was simply

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worked out together with Boris’s family and the

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mayor’s office, the administration did not interfere there

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and with Boris’s friends this scheme is what

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Yesterday I was working on his memory I

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think that And here, well, let’s put it this way and what to

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do, they were confused, these are

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bureaucrats, these are bureaucrats, if you do

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good for the citizens, the Kremlin will give you a thumbs up, if

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you do good for the Kremlin,

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public opinion will give you a thumbs up, Yes, and

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they they were are not ready for this and in general there

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were rumors there They will bury him in

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Salekhard, not Mom wants him to be

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buried there in this village where he is Rodin

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there is such a Sosnovskoe cemetery there

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40 km looked at they didn’t know and they didn’t

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know what family what is important because

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mom in Moscow and to

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dads abroad, and when Ivan Zhdanov

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addressed him in certain chats with a

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request for assistance, everyone naturally

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rushed through their connections to help and

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no one wants Amon’s fight over the gro with

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riot police over the coffin and the transformation of this,

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probably someone wants but does not want at all

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and so I think today a consensus

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will be found by the family of

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supporters between Mr. Ap and everything will be

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worthy, because in

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fact, a lot of people now, out of a feeling of

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protest, want to say goodbye to Alex, out of a

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feeling that they didn’t give up the body, out of a

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feeling of not being brave, well and so on,

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yes, just even which Navalny

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what Navalny who is Naval,

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by the way they ask it is

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safe Well, if you are inside,

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everything is

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dangerous, of course they can and will

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film it, which means the special services will film it all on

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cameras Yes, expecting agitators and

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provocateurs, but life is not safe at all

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Why is

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this just not an unauthorized

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rally, on the contrary, and there was a story in this

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just like with the Nemtsov bridge Yes,

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so to speak, Well, you allowed it. That

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you got attached to me, the authorities

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allowed it, this was a structural

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idea, now it’s also the authorities How to

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say they are organizing yes Well, in the sense

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they organize, provide a place and so

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on Well then, then people go on to say

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goodbye in the World Cup problem So maybe there is a

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special level of danger, on the contrary,

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I admire those people who

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continue to come there in different

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cities and lay flowers, not letting them forget

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again, not letting them forget all the time

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reminding and in my opinion in Chita the

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authorities of Chita officially

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allowed it on March 2 or 2 a memorial

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rally in memory of Nemtsov and Navalny

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the first permitted

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rally in Chita, that is, at first

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they banned then the court lifted the

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ban, check in my opinion if our

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Dear viewers, someone is there from the couple or

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someone may be absent now we can’t

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shed, I didn’t confuse the city with Chita Yes, it’s

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all old old memory, that’s right, a

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directly authorized rally, go right Bye,

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yes Well, someone may have already canceled it No,

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it was canceled then the court again allowed Yes,

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and as of this morning it is

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allowed and there will still be a struggle,

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of course there the court overturned the decision administrator

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miracles those

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miracles for the elections Tell me how the elections are

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today I just read the first

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news today how to lead me into a stupor So

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no way Well, you can If you try, if

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there is a good woman occupying a

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good post, she can lead me into a

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stupor today in the stu Minister

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of Justice of

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Latvia wife is blonde in skaz coming to the

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embassy to vote And this can be

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regarded as support for the war This is what she

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said, those who come Yes to

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vote at the Latvian embassy in Riga

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This can be regarded as support for the

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war And this is a criminal article according to the

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Latvian code,

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uh, I went through it like that. I think no, this is some kind of

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trolling. This is no, this is not

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trolling, this is not trolling. That is, if you

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come to vote for whoever you want

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or stand at 12 o’clock so that what that

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uh position is that Well, I don’t know, I’m

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telling me to join, you know, there is a position

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that puts you in a stupor Well, this is

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this position and they write canceled canceled

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already canceled again banned again this

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morning Mitin will be leaked I indicated

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Chechnya in a couple Sorry in a couple from again

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shows from Thank you for what you say, but once

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again showed that it was the court that lifted

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the ban; there is a judge who made such a

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decision in the city of the couple. Well, it’s clear that they won’t

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allow it where Navalnaya’s last name is. But

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it took special courage to

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lift the ban in general. We usually

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talk about the judge who make

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repressive decisions is not justice from my

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point of view Yes, here we don’t even know the last name, it’s not

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good so for the elections it’s the Judge

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The judge canceled the court, that is, the administration

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said it was just that such a judge was caught Well,

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apparently Yes Listen, if you are absent,

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again I appeal to our viewers and

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we’ll just say about him about her

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judge Yes, but what’s the name? Yes, let’s say this

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by choice, how for all these events,

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the death of Alexei Navalny, the exit, or the

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supposed potential entry of

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Yulia Navalnaya into the political arena, how is

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this the Armed Forces, somehow in general the landscape is changing the

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political landscape inside Russia, look

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As far as I know, Alexei Navalny

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handed over to freedom then when this

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idea of Maxim Reznik that Come at

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12 and this day Yes, he said, it seems

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apocryphal, that the picture is more important than the

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result Well, in RI maybe there won’t be pictures,

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people will be

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scared, so it happens, you know a girl with in the morning

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it can be different

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But in this sense it doesn’t change in any way and people

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yesterday Leonid Volkov confirmed

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this position you have to come at 12

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to vote and he even says if you

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don’t want to vote Come and stand

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in line to create the effect of paintings Well,

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that’s understandable in no way does not change, let me

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remind our

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viewers once again

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that this is not for Putin

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and this is the main figure, not for Putin in

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1918,

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18 million

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people voted for other candidates, plus

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half a million invalid ballots. The

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starting figure will increase, this figure

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is difficult to falsify because

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when you vote for Kharitonova Yes, she

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goes there when you vote for Donkov,

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she goes there when you do Ten

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is invalid, she goes there and here is

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the picture plus the number of those who voted

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not for Putin, this can be interpreted as

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against Putin Well, it doesn’t matter, but

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against the amendments to the Constitution is also, as it were,

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against Putin then prosol 16 million and now

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we need to count these votes not the ones for

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because it is obvious that in the so-

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called conquered or new

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territories there 4 million will simply go there

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why is this important to Putin because this

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is the call, don’t vote for Putin,

00:20:16

vote for anyone else and count

00:20:19

these votes for anyone else Yes, that’s how they

00:20:21

are counted in a column, here you have

00:20:23

a pen in your hands in a column, you read

00:20:25

support for Putin, the number of votes for

00:20:27

him, why is this important,

00:20:35

then Professor Shpilkin VM

00:20:38

said that up to 30% Yes, secondly,

00:20:42

we can do that too stuffing and plus

00:20:44

administrative resource And those who are not for

00:20:47

Putin are not stuffed there Well,

00:20:49

who will throw in for Rito or for Sugo Yes, and

00:20:51

for invalid btu they are

00:20:54

summed up early Therefore, this

00:20:57

f is more important, it is more accurate than those who are for Well,

00:21:00

those who are for it’s clear there’s 65 million Well, here

00:21:03

you go, 65

00:21:06

million, that’s what I told you. It was on

00:21:09

our own air, it completely

00:21:11

shocked me when it means Alexey Levinson

00:21:13

from Levada, who was announced there as everything that is

00:21:15

not necessary, I don’t remember who, it doesn’t matter, but he

00:21:19

said that they measure Trust in

00:21:21

Putin was measured starting from the end of ninety-

00:21:24

nine, they had 280 measurements, the

00:21:26

trust index of 60%

00:21:28

never fell below except for one except for

00:21:30

one case, this was when there was a pension

00:21:32

reform in Crimea 85 is Trust, that is,

00:21:38

they measured every month and there’s

00:21:39

no telling what so they became opportunistic

00:21:41

280 measurements and 60 plus And this is no longer Putin the

00:21:46

man and not even Putin politics but Putin

00:21:48

the monument at the end but at the beginning It was

00:21:50

Putin politics Putin the man yes and the figure of the

00:21:53

Armed Forces is the same

00:21:55

it is the conformists

00:22:00

this is di mozz sociologists tolen on the vzd

00:22:05

sociologists to whom I say everything, I’m

00:22:07

trying to explain the numbers that there are

00:22:08

no others. Speak But this is not so, people

00:22:11

are afraid, they were also afraid in 2001, and in the

00:22:13

third they were afraid, and under Medvedev

00:22:15

they were afraid. Well, stop it, then I think

00:22:18

the story is that these are people who basically

00:22:20

went through the turbulence years ago and saw

00:22:23

in Putin as stability a request for

00:22:25

steel for flax those who proposed

00:22:29

Vladimir Putin then as a candidate for

00:22:30

president they are exactly I know how it

00:22:32

was they told me what it means they

00:22:34

first know how on the beach in

00:22:36

Soviet times there was a figure that had to be

00:22:38

shoved heads and you there in the form of Neptune

00:22:40

or what year is this in de and They

00:22:45

were looking for the presidential administration there

00:22:46

Yumashev company They were looking for a person

00:22:49

who met some parameters that the

00:22:51

public opinion fund measured

00:22:53

already in the Antilles time, let's say so Yes, already

00:22:55

in the year the crisis measured everything what kind of

00:22:59

request for Which president in image does that

00:23:02

mean a

00:23:04

non-drinking Russian sports officer? Well, there

00:23:09

were 36 or 37 parameters and they

00:23:12

inserted either Aksyonenko or Stepashina, which

00:23:16

means it was this same General Nikolaev,

00:23:18

aka Putin, not the first, not the first,

00:23:21

well, plus of course Yeltsin’s trust is a matter

00:23:23

of course but first according to the figure and then like

00:23:26

this he inserted the face.

00:23:29

Get your 51 or 52 gender in the first

00:23:34

presidential

00:23:36

elections, half of it was received from voters,

00:23:38

that is, they didn’t guess but calculated

00:23:41

the request. Well, then he began to exploit this request,

00:23:43

he is his team and she, that

00:23:45

is they satisfied the request of

00:23:50

society, including

00:23:56

while they are

00:23:58

pairing

00:24:01

with the Yeltsin era No with the Yeltsin era

00:24:05

what kind of stability Putin equals

00:24:07

stability in those years now, where is

00:24:10

the stability because

00:24:12

stability is such stability No, well, first of all,

00:24:17

if we look at there are huge

00:24:18

social payments, huge from budget is

00:24:21

something that people haven’t received before Yes, this is

00:24:24

connected with military operations, but they are

00:24:25

coming, you know which one according to polls, how

00:24:30

what do people spend this money on? Families have

00:24:34

a lot of money, first of all

00:24:36

they buy a car and then a mortgage and then

00:24:39

dentistry and then teeth and then

00:24:42

education A children and there are no mortgages

00:24:45

because this Russia lives in its houses and

00:24:48

in its apartments, not for improvement but

00:24:51

for the new, this money is not for improvement but

00:24:53

for the new, you understand. And then first the white

00:24:55

Lada and then the white teeth, yeah, yeah,

00:25:02

this is the dest for now of the majority of Russia Well,

00:25:06

yes, only in the form of inflation, but the factories

00:25:09

are working three shifts of wages, increased

00:25:11

social payments are large Well, here it is, and

00:25:13

in the guto, with a machine gun, there are different ways of

00:25:17

participating in them. They have already

00:25:22

reaped no rubber from the elections,

00:25:26

and if they don’t allow it, I can’t allow

00:25:29

it. then it will be then then the chat will be

00:25:33

yelling that MA is offending Akhmadeev Yes, personal

00:25:36

people do not work in journalism I said

00:25:38

one journalist is good Well this is true

00:25:41

in your case it is true Well excellent So

00:25:43

this is good Yes I approve of this and Yulia

00:25:45

Navalnaya called not to recognize the elections

00:25:48

What is it not recognizing the elections at all is

00:25:50

not the essence of the non-legitimate prezi there

00:25:52

is no procedure for recognition at all, so

00:25:54

if someone is elected somewhere, I

00:25:56

don’t know

00:25:58

the parliament, I don’t know Hungary, yes And no one

00:26:02

should recognize it

00:26:03

send a telegram congratulatory Well,

00:26:05

they don’t send telegrams now And

00:26:07

they send happy birthday and

00:26:08

don’t send happy birthday there, of course, there

00:26:10

may be consequences later that

00:26:13

these countries that do not recognize the elections,

00:26:15

they will not recognize all the decrees

00:26:17

signed by Putin and all the laws

00:26:19

signed by Putin later. But that’s later, and

00:26:21

Lukashenko now. Well, but now, well,

00:26:25

not recognizing this is a political gesture is a

00:26:27

political gesture I think that some kind of

00:26:29

political gesture will be made by

00:26:32

the government of the so-called

00:26:33

unfriendly countries Well, it will be, but in

00:26:36

real life now it doesn’t remember anything

00:26:38

and now there is practically no communication everything is

00:26:40

frozen to the level of the

00:26:43

heads of the intelligence services I would say this

00:26:45

Of course, this is also an important level, this is an important

00:26:47

level, but the intelligence services continue both on

00:26:49

exchanges and on the fight against terrorism so that

00:26:52

you have no doubt because there are

00:26:54

other threats Well, no, no, no. Well, listen

00:26:57

against Putin, there is a mandate of the Garsk

00:26:59

tribunal. And you say non-recognition, well,

00:27:02

this is generally a mandate, it’s like to say a warrant

00:27:04

is cooler than non-recognition actually yes

00:27:06

yes no well actually

00:27:09

Putin’s reaction doesn’t particularly bother me personally

00:27:11

and the negotiations are humanitarian I don’t

00:27:15

think they don’t They certainly complicate

00:27:17

but I don’t think that they are more likely to

00:27:19

complicate when the threads of the mechanisms they are climbing

00:27:23

because in fact, exchange is a

00:27:25

dirty business, you are making a compromise

00:27:29

in order to, say, release a

00:27:30

criminal Well, in this case, paint Well, so-so That is,

00:27:33

you say yes Give

00:27:35

us Krasikov, we will give you

00:27:37

Navalny there, who from the point of view of the

00:27:39

Russian authorities, too criminal Yes, well,

00:27:41

and you say no. Let’s know the

00:27:43

trade in the market there. Let’s have these

00:27:44

six on these three, but it’s generally

00:27:47

disgusting. Yes, from the point of view of ordinary

00:27:48

life, but when you remember how you

00:27:50

took Russian officers out of a pit there in Chechnya.

00:27:52

Yes, there’s nothing there, nothing profession

00:27:56

such people It’s called a surgeon

00:27:58

One said this is the profession and that’s why

00:28:01

I don’t think I’ll answer yes to your

00:28:03

question of course

00:28:05

it is But it won’t interrupt humanitarian

00:28:09

negotiations In my opinion because I

00:28:10

think that Putin is expecting this he’s already

00:28:13

like why is this so necessary this

00:28:15

Krasikov And what is the symbolism of

00:28:18

the symbolism, the symbolism is understandable, the symbolism

00:28:20

is understandable because in this way he

00:28:22

will demonstrate that other similar

00:28:25

people who fall into the hands of

00:28:27

law enforcement agencies for the same

00:28:29

reasons will be pulled out of the law and

00:28:31

exchanged. This is understandable, but there is one more

00:28:35

point that is not fully documented

00:28:38

worked in St. Petersburg when Putin

00:28:41

was almost vice-rector and he

00:28:43

worked, as I understand it, somewhere around the

00:28:46

famous tsepov. They could have known each other or they

00:28:49

could have been the same, I’m not sure there is

00:28:52

actually a

00:28:56

dept there, and not only Krasikov there

00:28:59

are hackers there who are sitting in the USA there is

00:29:01

a lot of things there, but it’s beautiful for him

00:29:03

Yes, it’s true, he publicly voiced it in a

00:29:06

conversation with Tucker Carlson in an interview,

00:29:08

so there’s no backtrack No, this is why

00:29:10

the Germans detained in St. Petersburg, for example,

00:29:12

who are the

00:29:14

smika in our Russian prisons, more than

00:29:18

ten citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany only Germany, half of them

00:29:21

have dual citizenship, and

00:29:23

half are just pure And then so as

00:29:28

not to go

00:29:29

into subtleties And Scholz needs to

00:29:33

explain to public opinion why he

00:29:35

will let Killer go Putin doesn’t need to

00:29:37

explain to public opinion why he

00:29:39

wants Krasikov, you know, and this is

00:29:42

such a difference he uh, we need to

00:29:45

take into account this and this and this and that, and regarding

00:29:50

repressions, yesterday there were two sentences for

00:29:52

Orlov, respectively, and Zhuravel and

00:29:55

Zhuravel, whichever you like best,

00:29:57

and this somehow fits in. Again, let’s

00:30:02

return to the pre-election context

00:30:05

and are the fears of those who expects a

00:30:08

serious tightening of repression after

00:30:10

March 17, this does not fit into the electoral

00:30:12

context in the sense that this does

00:30:14

not affect the elections in any way and the elections do not affect this in any way.

00:30:17

And before that, Orlov was imprisoned there.

00:30:21

Yasha has nothing at all in the elections or Gorino,

00:30:26

so this is an understandable story. It is very

00:30:29

similar to the story. with Kagarlitsky when they were

00:30:32

given a

00:30:33

fine and the meaning was this: a fine,

00:30:36

either shut up or get rude,

00:30:39

I’ll say That’s why the fine That’s why

00:30:42

the fine means Neither one of them

00:30:45

shut up, they continued to give interviews

00:30:47

and refused to blame and you didn’t understand Well, here

00:30:50

you are 6, you’re 2 from now on, that's all,

00:30:54

the authorities read this way How can I say, they

00:31:00

silence their critics on the left, they are like Boris

00:31:03

Ko Gorlitsky or from the human rights side

00:31:05

like Oleg Petrovich

00:31:07

Orlov Are there many people in Russia who

00:31:09

could offer themselves as a

00:31:12

hostage in order to free the real

00:31:14

hostages then to the Chechen separatists?

00:31:17

Oleg Petrovich is one of them and he just

00:31:19

pulled out Russian officers, including Russian

00:31:21

officers, I know this well And

00:31:23

now this is about discrediting him Well, that’s

00:31:27

who I am I don’t understand why, that is,

00:31:31

they are not dangerous abroad if they Booth

00:31:33

considers them to be rum Putin is dangerous inside and

00:31:35

dangerous inside Putin thinks so

00:31:38

because abroad he believes that this is all

00:31:40

marginalia, that these are people breaking away from

00:31:42

Russia, this is his vision and his

00:31:44

team, I won’t talk about Putin, the

00:31:45

vision of his team is what I know and not

00:31:47

what I I’m making it up. They are

00:31:49

marginalia there and of course there may be all sorts of

00:31:51

dangers, but they are not comparable to the

00:31:54

dangers within the country. Inside, we

00:31:55

demonstrate the moral and political unity of the

00:31:57

people, especially in the

00:32:02

anti-war, this is unacceptable and it is clear

00:32:04

that both Oleg Orlov from one position and Boris

00:32:07

Ko Gorlitsky from another position they

00:32:09

spoke from a different angle, they spoke

00:32:12

anti-war, these are people Respected in their

00:32:14

environment Boris Ko Gorlitsky Respected in

00:32:16

their environment Oleg Petrovich Respected in

00:32:18

their environment and these respected people

00:32:20

need to be isolated Valita was hinted and there

00:32:23

among the emigrants there and Conduct your

00:32:26

Propaganda

00:32:27

for that means here we are for you we won’t give it to you in

00:32:30

this way,

00:32:33

here is Gennady Gukov, why is he a

00:32:36

terrorist? Why is the SSO This is a question for Gennady

00:32:39

Gudkov Why is a terrorist in

00:32:42

the era of his tweets with profanity? I

00:32:46

think in relation to

00:32:48

Putin you understand Gennady Gudkov, besides the

00:32:51

same corporation that

00:32:56

IKG security, he didn’t even have time to serve the FSB

00:32:58

A and he is perceived by Putin in

00:33:02

the same way. As we say, a conventional skripal with a

00:33:05

traitor, he is a traitor to a corporation, not a

00:33:08

country, but a corporation, he is one of his own who

00:33:11

defected and therefore he is to

00:33:14

the maximum, of course, he is not a

00:33:16

terrorist, not an extremist, on the contrary, as a politician he

00:33:20

has learned very much to be a flexible

00:33:23

deputy, he has been Yes, a deputy is always

00:33:25

a compromise

00:33:27

names Gennady Gudkov this is connected with

00:33:30

treason against the

00:33:31

corporation Chekists this punishes

00:33:34

treason against the corporation plus lobbying for

00:33:36

sanctions it’s all there all the lobbying well this is No well

00:33:39

Rova sanctions there are a lot of people around

00:33:43

but they are not recognized as extremists

00:33:45

terrorists No no this is precisely treason against the

00:33:48

corporation here I have the exact

00:33:52

the idea that this is a traitor this is a

00:33:54

traitor once again not Russia corporations

00:33:56

are just the devil knows what they creaked And

00:33:59

you said how the AP sees this

00:34:02

marginalization Yeah

00:34:04

and the marginalization is what I wanted to ask and

00:34:09

how do you see it Well, a different reality is being created

00:34:12

here naturally We see

00:34:14

How the optics of people who left are changing

00:34:16

And only

00:34:22

people like Kirill Rogov look very closely at Russia, for example, for

00:34:25

me, they are trying to

00:34:28

figure out what is really

00:34:30

going on there without going around with some kind of cliches

00:34:33

Yes, like this It’s not a question of anti-Russian

00:34:36

or not Russian, just the optics change

00:34:38

When you look differently,

00:34:40

many journalists have it, and I

00:34:43

talk about it at meetings, what is it, that it is

00:34:46

not evil, intrigues, not malicious Yes, it’s just a

00:34:49

change in optics, here I come back again,

00:34:50

as with Maria Konstantinovna singing, she

00:34:53

just didn’t understand what consequences it would

00:34:55

cause for those who are still sitting e stories about

00:34:58

that are inaccurate stories Well, as she

00:35:01

understood, that is, it is impossible with malicious intent

00:35:04

just like others Yes, but his view is from a

00:35:07

different platform and distorting for

00:35:10

her And therefore the same thing is here and of

00:35:13

course there are other problems here someone made a

00:35:15

very funny joke he said I think that

00:35:18

if the

00:35:19

main problem for journalists in Russia

00:35:21

is mortgages, then the main problem for journalists who left is

00:35:24

- This is a kindergarten for a

00:35:25

child and there are

00:35:28

different problems, you understand different

00:35:30

problems and it is very important to keep it at least

00:35:32

in journalists because journalists

00:35:33

are still looking closely at

00:35:36

what is happening maintain a

00:35:38

professional look, so I hope

00:35:40

that we will say the death of the board, which is

00:35:43

quite significant from the point of view of

00:35:45

reputation, she will pay attention to the

00:35:47

regional media that

00:35:49

still exist in Russia, she will not turn

00:35:51

into an

00:35:52

emigrant Parkhomenko admits the

00:35:55

danger of this, and there is such a danger.

00:35:58

Well, how come they are all not there we are

00:35:59

all free here, so we choose

00:36:01

among our own, there are no our own and there are strangers who are

00:36:04

professional. Not a professional at

00:36:05

this point A and as for emigration, but

00:36:08

we see that she is trying co-organizer

00:36:12

Yuliy Navalny as the leader of the unconditional

00:36:16

possible certainly possible leader of the

00:36:18

entire political opposition who left

00:36:21

first of all who left Yes must bring something

00:36:23

new This is some kind of new new situation,

00:36:26

let's see politically You can

00:36:28

explain Yulia Navalnaya and FBK They are

00:36:31

separate Together they are No, they add

00:36:35

something to each other or deprive Listen FBK

00:36:38

is a Political party Well, yes, it’s clear

00:36:41

So Alexei Navalny was the leader of FBK

00:36:44

and wanted to be the leader of the opposition And that

00:36:47

is FBK part of the opposition one of the

00:36:50

opposition parties what does Yulia Navalnaya want to

00:36:52

remain the leader of FBK or become the leader of the

00:36:54

entire opposition where is

00:36:57

this committee but it is clear that without

00:37:02

people like Khodorkovsky or Katz for example

00:37:04

Yes, each in their own way They have their

00:37:06

own audience

00:37:08

own influence Yes, and discussions

00:37:12

within the opposition are also important, this will create

00:37:14

an opportunity if I correctly understand the

00:37:15

shadow government of a single one, this is very

00:37:18

important for Western negotiators with

00:37:25

whom, in this sense, the same thing

00:37:28

belongs to the same force, large, large,

00:37:30

they will talk more willingly,

00:37:32

more respectfully, I would say so And

00:37:34

the meeting Biden with Yulia Navalnaya This is a

00:37:36

sign this This is a sign No of course, but this is a

00:37:38

big political story not for Yulia

00:37:40

Navalnaya but for Biden who is

00:37:42

losing the elections that need to be done

00:37:44

if Biden managed to pull out

00:37:47

Gershkovich Yes and Whelan of course this

00:37:51

added four points to his rating

00:37:54

in the elections What if Putin will give

00:37:57

Trump RKO or Whelan is this for Trump

00:38:00

to add what American society

00:38:04

treats such prisoners Yes, they treat them very

00:38:05

kindly, he succeeded Well, he is a hammer and

00:38:10

therefore Biden naturally

00:38:14

does everything for based on the internal

00:38:16

political agenda That is, grinder

00:38:17

there grinder there

00:38:21

write down there was another story about yr have not

00:38:24

forgotten because the parents and which

00:38:27

Republicans

00:38:28

caused a real scandal in Washington

00:38:30

said they pulled out this one and which is

00:38:33

like the electorate of Democrats Yes, a

00:38:36

black feminist

00:38:38

Yes, and he defended the Marine and you

00:38:42

threw him out instead, I know this in great

00:38:45

detail and now pull it out Whelan for

00:38:48

him this is part of the Republican this is the army

00:38:50

Yes, he pulled out a Marine this is

00:38:52

much more important even than everything

00:38:55

else going back to the tightening

00:38:58

after the elections this is going

00:39:00

downhill This is not related to the elections here

00:39:02

again after the elections the second mobilization of the

00:39:04

pony no second mobilization

00:39:07

there is no second

00:39:09

mobilization visible - this is one of the main

00:39:13

unpopular measures for 2 years, according to polls,

00:39:16

mobilization is supported by

00:39:18

29% of them, that is, under Putin, under him,

00:39:21

yes, this is the plus to this.

00:39:27

This means that among those who support

00:39:30

mobilization, half - This is 60 Plus That

00:39:32

is, those who will not be mobilized This is

00:39:34

important from the point of view of the electorate But this is

00:39:37

absolutely Yes absolutely impossible This is not

00:39:40

popular for Putin this is important the second

00:39:41

story And where are they needed for mobilization

00:39:47

there are hundreds of thousands there overcoats hundreds of thousands of

00:39:52

boots carriages no no northern

00:39:57

no no so if if the losses were

00:40:02

catastrophic if the losses were

00:40:04

catastrophic it was yes Then yes But this is

00:40:07

war How to say Alya First World War

00:40:12

we are sitting in the trenches in the trenches here is

00:40:14

the report of the Minister of Labor and Social

00:40:16

Development to Putin on the wounded Which means 54% of the

00:40:20

wounded are amputations of limbs of

00:40:22

which 80 % - this is leg amputation What does this mean to us

00:40:25

43% of all acinos What does this tell us

00:40:28

this is a mine war on fire Yes a mine war

00:40:30

is not shells not missiles not bullets there is not a deputy here is a

00:40:34

war Here it is, mine is one

00:40:38

word yes a mine war it is a mine war

00:40:40

military the actions of the operation are a forced

00:40:42

form or a deliberate one in the sense of Well,

00:40:45

conservation Here’s something like the First

00:40:47

World War No, this is a forced form,

00:40:49

of course, because the resources have risen on

00:40:51

both sides, or rather they have been leveled. Ukraine,

00:40:53

of course, loses in population, that is,

00:40:55

mobilized

00:40:57

for military-technical Russia

00:41:01

wins in the number of military personnel but

00:41:04

it is clear that the sanctions have led to the fact that

00:41:07

modern technology there is electronic

00:41:09

suppression, for example, and even worse, the explosions now are

00:41:12

very dangerous in a military sense

00:41:16

because each

00:41:17

side is planning to make a

00:41:21

breakthrough,

00:41:23

say maybe hacks

00:41:27

Kherson have already been taken Yes, we’ll go

00:41:30

there, what’s the point

00:41:35

from the

00:41:38

point of view of everything, yes, the military thinks in

00:41:41

military operations, this is understandable in

00:41:43

square

00:41:44

kilometers, the number of losses per

00:41:47

square conquered,

00:41:49

liberated, whatever you want, kilometer yes,

00:41:52

political history is important to Putin, it is

00:41:54

important for him to ultimately

00:41:57

deliver under the control of those lands of those

00:42:00

regions that are declared Russian lands in the Constitution,

00:42:02

but to make it

00:42:04

clear If the Lugansk region is 95% of

00:42:08

the territory under Russian control, then

00:42:09

Donetsk 72 Kherson also 72

00:42:13

Zaporozhye I don’t remember how many I think I

00:42:15

think yes I think that this is the

00:42:18

goal not in the number of kilometers, but

00:42:21

in the fact that this is part of Russia and

00:42:23

thus Putin says we

00:42:24

are liberating the Russian Lands otsi uns

00:42:30

vola continuing the theme howl

00:42:34

macron macron appeared no one

00:42:36

supported what it

00:42:38

was I think that this is an internal political

00:42:41

story once and again macron claims

00:42:44

for leadership in Europe 2 because

00:42:47

it is clear that sunk is weak shol is weak Well, of the

00:42:50

large

00:42:55

uterus, the leg of not a single American

00:42:57

soldier Scholz, not a single leg of a single

00:43:00

German soldier by the British,

00:43:03

not a single leg of a single English soldier

00:43:05

It turned out to be a shot in the air and already

00:43:07

Yesterday I because Sometimes I’m watching

00:43:09

some of

00:43:10

these meetings of the defense commission of the

00:43:13

French parliament, you know who

00:43:15

would come up with a look and I’m watching the language

00:43:18

of perfection and the Minister of Defense Franz

00:43:20

says you misunderstood the president, a

00:43:22

familiar song yes And we are going to

00:43:24

send there a certain

00:43:26

number of miners who will

00:43:28

clear mines and those who are

00:43:30

training now in We

00:43:33

will simply transfer the Ukrainians from Poland to the territory of Ukraine

00:43:34

That is, we went back, no ground

00:43:35

forces are talking about this, and on both sides.

00:43:38

This means on Macron and on his government.

00:43:40

Now the socialist means on the left is lipen

00:43:43

on the right, they collapsed and he does not have a

00:43:44

majority in Macron’s parliament and in

00:43:48

general Well, he’s like, well, wow, well, wow,

00:43:51

statement, well, wow, statement, I

00:43:53

agree, but it will remain a statement

00:43:55

because even in France

00:43:56

back and the allies did not support

00:44:00

anyone, not even the Poles, who killed a single

00:44:03

Polish soldier. What do I want to say,

00:44:06

dear friends? We had a very good time

00:44:08

together. Remind me that today I

00:44:11

will be without mediation. That’s just the

00:44:13

topic we talked about, I’m addressing the audience.

00:44:16

Thank you for telling us about the

00:44:18

couple. There and so on about the judge, no one

00:44:25

sent anything to answer your questions, but also

00:44:27

from Berlin from a mobile phone, and

00:44:31

so we We will not part with you,

00:44:34

yes, thank you, the morning spread of

00:44:54

Mashmash

00:44:57

No, they will start at 3:00 a.m. It’s

00:44:59

unlikely that the airport on public

00:45:02

transport there will become lyugan this night

00:45:04

What is much more interesting is much less

00:45:06

pleasant Yes, some are more interesting, some are not

00:45:08

so much In short, we will be remotely tomorrow,

00:45:10

yes Thank you you are with us and we'll see you, the

00:45:13

broadcasts continue Yes, so go

00:45:16

have some tea and come back to the live show

00:45:18

We'll have a drink too We'll have a drink too

00:45:20

Goodbye

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