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I grew up in a little place called Kirby00:00:16
Mississippi and one of the defining00:00:18
moments of my youth was sneaking into a00:00:20
movie theater in nearby Roxy to see a00:00:22
movie called Sudden00:00:24
Impact it's one of the dirty hairy00:00:26
sequels with Clint Eastwood playing the00:00:28
same character who in the first movie00:00:30
gives a criminal the whole do you feel00:00:33
lucky00:00:34
speech the movie itself is nothing00:00:36
special at least it can't hold a candle00:00:38
to the likes of Magnum Force but it00:00:41
marked the first time that I found00:00:43
myself thinking I want to be a cop but00:00:46
not just any cop I want to be a00:00:48
detective some foul mouth rough riding00:00:51
Hammer of Justice Just Like Old Dirty00:00:53
Harry00:00:55
Callahan well real life isn't like the00:00:57
movies and I had to learn to walk before00:01:00
I could00:01:01
run but after working hard in school and00:01:03
putting in my time as a uniformed00:01:05
officer I submitted an application to00:01:07
the Mississippi Bureau of00:01:10
Investigation the MBI aren't strictly00:01:12
police we're State special investigators00:01:16
which comes with the freedom to run our00:01:17
investigations as we see fit all while00:01:20
having the same investigative Powers as00:01:22
regular law00:01:23
enforcement think of us like safeties on00:01:26
a football field we can move wherever00:01:28
and however we want just as long as we00:01:30
make the game-winning tackle I worked in00:01:33
Major Crimes for a few years mainly just00:01:36
making a name for myself within the00:01:37
bureau and then one day in early April00:01:40
of 2003 my SSA or supervisory agent00:01:45
approaches me with an intriguing offer00:01:48
the public safety commissioner had00:01:49
recently approached the mbi's chief or00:01:52
the sack as we like to call him and00:01:55
asked him to put together a brand new00:01:56
unit and this unit would be unlike any00:01:59
that had come before it and would focus00:02:01
on one and one task00:02:04
alone reviewing and potentially00:02:07
reinvestigating what are referred to as00:02:09
cold cases a lot of other states already00:02:13
had a dedicated Cold Case unit but00:02:15
officially speaking Mississippi didn't00:02:17
have one until the summer of00:02:19
2004 but 18 months previous the head of00:02:22
the DPS said that it was high time the00:02:24
Bayou State tased some of its own00:02:26
officers with investigating unsolved00:02:28
crimes and he gave the go-ahead for the00:02:31
pilot scheme that I was eventually a00:02:33
part of I was honored to be considered00:02:36
for the job but in the MBI there's only00:02:38
one way to climb the career ladder and00:02:41
that's to deliver noticeable and00:02:43
consistent00:02:45
results working at solving tough long00:02:47
dead cases would make for a noble00:02:50
Pursuit I just didn't know it was the00:02:52
right choice at such a formative stage00:02:54
of my career working cold cases seem00:02:57
like a job for an Oldtimer someone who00:02:59
had the patience Pati and the experience00:03:00
to see things others didn't but for me I00:03:04
wanted to run with the big dogs I wanted00:03:06
to be chasing down Killers kicking00:03:08
indoors and then dragging them off to00:03:10
jail and cuffs I didn't want to be00:03:12
trapped in the archives for 12 hours a00:03:14
day getting paler and older with nothing00:03:17
to show for it but according to my00:03:19
supervisory agent all my Hunger was00:03:22
exactly why he wanted me there he00:03:24
believed that if I applied that same00:03:26
drive to unsolved crimes I could00:03:28
potentially make my career there and if00:03:30
the pilot game was successful and the00:03:32
unit expanded I could end up getting00:03:35
promoted and running my very own00:03:37
team once he put my mind at ease like00:03:40
that I accepted the invitation and put00:03:43
my name forward then just a few weeks00:03:45
later the Mississippi Bureau of00:03:47
Investigations first ever Cold Case unit00:03:49
held its first official meeting in one00:03:51
of the conference rooms of our district00:03:54
headquarters essentially our job was00:03:56
this we had to go through stacks of UN00:03:59
solved Case Files all pertaining to00:04:01
violent crime and pick out any we00:04:03
thought had a chance of being solved and00:04:06
after that we had to take the case File00:04:08
over to the district attorney's office00:04:10
and see if they'd be willing to00:04:12
prosecute any suspects that we might00:04:14
identify I guess that might sound obtuse00:04:17
to some people who are thinking surely00:04:19
it's the DA's job to prosecute everyone00:04:22
they suspect of being guilty of a00:04:24
violent crime right and to that I say00:04:27
sure in theory but that's not always how00:04:30
things work a district attorney will00:04:32
sometimes tell you they serve justice00:04:35
but in reality they don't serve anyone00:04:37
except the people who elect them I guess00:04:40
that's a good thing if you're looking at00:04:41
the bigger picture it's still we the00:04:44
people you know but unless it's going to00:04:47
make a DA look good they won't want to00:04:49
reach into the public purse for it and I00:04:52
kind of get it no good solving a00:04:55
30-year-old double murder when there's00:04:57
an active child predator roaming the00:04:59
state committing crimes in the here and00:05:01
the now but this attitude made our job00:05:04
needlessly00:05:05
frustrating the very purpose of the Cold00:05:07
Case units creation was to cut through00:05:09
all the red tape but in practice we00:05:12
ended up having to get our cases rubber00:05:13
stamped before we could even work them00:05:16
however whenever we did get that rubber00:05:18
stamp if we had the evidence the case00:05:21
File and a viable suspect then was all00:05:24
systems go the first case I sent over to00:05:27
the DA involved a Jane Doe that been00:05:29
found up in Marshall County back in00:05:32
1993 her body had been found by a guy00:05:34
that had pulled over to the side of the00:05:36
highway to take a leak he stopped his00:05:38
truck walked off into the trees to get a00:05:40
little privacy and then noticed two00:05:43
Hefty looking trash bags lying near the00:05:45
base of a tree the guy said that he00:05:47
figured some [ __ ] was dumping trash00:05:50
and planning on tossing the bags into00:05:51
the back of his truck so he could00:05:53
dispose of them once he got back into00:05:55
town but then as he got closer he00:05:58
started to smack smell that very00:06:00
sickening but oddly familiar stench the00:06:04
guy didn't take a step further towards00:06:05
those trash bags he knew what was in00:06:08
them because they smelled almost the00:06:10
exact same way as his old pet cat did00:06:13
after his parents pulled its maggot00:06:15
infested corpse out of the crawl space00:06:17
below his childhood00:06:19
home the guy drives back home calls the00:06:22
cops and tells him that he's got a real00:06:24
bad feeling about the two trash bags00:06:26
that he'd seen and not long after a00:06:29
highway patrol officer was taping off00:06:30
the scene in preparation for the arrival00:06:33
of the forensics00:06:34
teams Jane Do's body had been00:06:36
dismembered and then placed into two00:06:39
trash bags her torso and her arms were00:06:42
in one her legs in the other but her00:06:44
head her hands and her feet they were00:06:47
all missing she was estimated to be00:06:50
anywhere between the ages of 17 to 2500:06:52
when she was murdered while abrasions to00:06:54
her knees and lower back suggested that00:06:57
she made a living as a prostitute00:07:00
there were track marks on her arms and00:07:02
puncture marks around her groin which00:07:04
suggested a prolonged and habitual use00:07:06
of narcotics but we had to wait for the00:07:09
toxicology report to find out just how00:07:11
extensive that drug use00:07:13
was at the time of her death Jane Doe00:07:16
had high levels of Oxycodone and Demerol00:07:19
in her system but also tested positive00:07:22
for cocaine methampetamine and00:07:24
shockingly high amounts of synthetic00:07:27
psychedelic known as 2cb00:07:31
during the investigation that followed00:07:33
two of my fellow agents for Major Crimes00:07:35
isolated a trail of bootprints which led00:07:38
from the nearby highway to the disposal00:07:40
site and back again they didn't belong00:07:43
to the truck driver that had found the00:07:44
trash bags and they didn't belong to any00:07:46
of the MHP officers that had been the00:07:49
first to arrive at the scene the00:07:51
bootprints from those size 12 Red Wings00:07:54
constituted one of the only pieces of00:07:56
workable evidence Major Crimes had to00:07:58
work with but at the at the time it was00:08:00
seen as a very important one red wings00:08:03
were the favorite Footwear of serial00:08:05
killer George Jones who was already00:08:07
doing life for the murder of three00:08:09
hookers throughout the 80s and early00:08:11
90s then with Jane Doe's body being00:08:14
found in 1993 the case's original00:08:17
investigators believe that she was one00:08:18
of Jones's victims and had tried their00:08:21
best to pin it on him at his trial and00:08:23
back in 1998 I think but after reviewing00:08:27
those Case Files I noticed that there00:08:29
were two major inconsistencies between00:08:31
the murders in 1992 and 94 and my Jane00:08:35
Doe from the year00:08:37
between first off one of the pieces of00:08:39
evidence used to convict George Jones00:08:41
was his truck's00:08:43
tacometer to put it into layman's terms00:08:46
these measure how hard an engine is00:08:47
working and Jones was used to prove that00:08:50
he lied regarding diversions from his00:08:52
assigned Trucking route but when it came00:08:55
to the Jane Doe murder Jones's00:08:57
tachometer matched the route that he00:08:58
claimed to have been driving one which00:09:00
took him far from Marshall County During00:09:02
the period of Jane Doe's body being00:09:04
believed to have been dumped it was00:09:06
always the possibility that Jones had00:09:08
swapped his tacometer with someone00:09:10
else's in an attempt to cover his tracks00:09:12
but if that was the case why did he get00:09:15
smart for just one of the murders00:09:17
instead of all four the second00:09:19
inconsistency involved the method of00:09:22
disposal victims from ' 92 and '94 had00:09:25
been mutilated extensively but it was a00:09:27
wild frenzy kind of mutil ation no Rhyme00:09:30
or Reason to it at all but in the case00:09:33
of Jane Doe the removal of her head00:09:36
hands and feet hadn't exactly been done00:09:38
with surgical Precision but they marked00:09:41
the only manner in which her body had00:09:42
been desecrated and the dismemberment00:09:44
had only commenced following her00:09:46
murder Jones on the other hand liked to00:09:49
start cutting his victims up while they00:09:51
were still alive and unlike Jane Doe his00:09:54
victims still had their fingers toes and00:09:57
teeth at his trial the prosecution00:10:00
painted the 93 murder is Jones's attempt00:10:02
to switch up his modus operandi partly00:10:05
as a way of keeping himself entertained00:10:07
and partly as a way of throwing the cops00:10:09
off his scent but his defense pointed to00:10:12
the tachometer evidence and made such a00:10:15
strong argument for his innocence that00:10:16
the jury only found Jones guilty on00:10:19
three counts of first-degree murder and00:10:20
not the original00:10:22
four at that point the da was just happy00:10:25
to have gotten a conviction and although00:10:27
Jane Doe's case was Tau l in with the00:10:29
cold ones it was believed that someone00:10:32
at some point would conclusively link00:10:34
her murder to George Jones and the case00:10:37
could finally be00:10:38
closed after all Jones wore a size 1200:10:41
Redwing exactly the same kind that left00:10:44
the bootprints at the scene it had to be00:10:47
him right same type of victim same type00:10:50
of location just a slight variation in00:10:52
the M00:10:53
Mo even if the jury couldn't see it00:10:56
Major Crimes thought that they had their00:10:57
guy so Al although Jane Doe's case File00:11:00
remained officially unsolved no one felt00:11:02
too bad about tossing it into the cold00:11:04
case files as the man who most probably00:11:07
killed her was set to rot in prison for00:11:09
the rest of his00:11:10
life now here's where I bent the rules00:11:14
just a little bit the da would never00:11:16
have approved my reopening of the case00:11:18
until I had a viable suspect and I00:11:21
heavily implied that I was going to be00:11:23
the one to finally Bridge the00:11:24
investigative gap between Jones and Jane00:11:27
Doe the only thing was00:11:29
I didn't think Jones was our guy Jones00:11:32
was a man of lukewarm IQ who struggled00:11:35
with meth prostitutes and his own guilt00:11:38
he could hide the meth use from his wife00:11:40
and kids and he mistakenly thought that00:11:42
he could hide the infidelity too but in00:11:45
murdering the prostitutes he craved00:11:47
after his week-long meth binges Jones00:11:50
took all his self-loathing out on those00:11:52
poor girls he hacked and slashed and00:11:55
stomped on them and he wanted to make00:11:57
them suffer for tempting him00:12:00
but the way in which Jane do was00:12:02
dismembered it was almost00:12:04
clinical I knew it would be a risk to go00:12:07
out on a limb like that but something00:12:09
about the way the case was dealt with00:12:10
the first time around it just kind of00:12:12
irked me Jane Doe was treated like a00:12:15
pawn in a game of chess a throwaway00:12:17
piece and an otherwise successful00:12:19
prosecution and I thought she deserved00:12:21
far better so I worked my ass off to get00:12:25
the case approved then was finally00:12:27
allowed to start doing my job00:12:29
my first call was over at the team at00:12:31
missing persons and using their newly00:12:34
digitized record system they were able00:12:36
to provide me with a list of young women00:12:38
and girls whose cases fit a fairly00:12:41
narrow00:12:42
criteria the girls needed to be fair00:12:44
haired they needed to be between the00:12:46
ages of 17 and 25 and they needed to00:12:49
have been declared missing between the00:12:51
years of 1988 and00:12:53
1993 from the looks of her body Jane Doe00:12:57
had been a drug user and a prostitute00:12:59
for quite some time prior to her murder00:13:01
so I asked the special agents at missing00:13:03
persons to factor that into their00:13:06
search sadly prostitutes are rarely00:13:09
reported missing if they do happen to00:13:10
disappear so all I could do was hope00:13:13
that someone somewhere missed Jane Doe00:13:15
enough to have filed a missing person's00:13:18
report and once I had all my reports all00:13:21
I had to do was set about contacting as00:13:23
many of the relevant families as00:13:25
possible to ask if their daughters had00:13:27
any distinguishing scar tattoos or birth00:13:30
marks I could then cross reference these00:13:33
answers with autopsy photos that I had00:13:35
at my disposal and hopefully I'd be able00:13:38
to come up with an00:13:39
ID it took days upon days of searching00:13:42
up phone numbers asking for forwarding00:13:44
addresses and visiting people at home00:13:46
but eventually I ended up getting a hold00:13:49
of a mother who' filed a missing00:13:51
person's report following her00:13:52
stepdaughter's disappearance back in00:13:55
1991 the stepdaughter had come from her00:13:58
husband 's first marriage but she adored00:14:00
the girl like her own flesh and blood00:14:02
and was devastated when she went missing00:14:05
the girl was a physical match for Jane00:14:07
Doe and when I asked if she had any00:14:09
distinguishing marks or features on her00:14:11
body her mother told me about a small00:14:14
scar just above the elbow on her right00:14:16
arm the scar was the result of some00:14:19
childhood misadventure and when I00:14:21
checked the autopsy photos there it was00:14:24
Jane Doe had a tiny scar just above her00:14:26
right elbow now now this wasn't some00:14:29
conclusive proof that Jane Doe was the00:14:31
same missing stepdaughter as a person's00:14:34
arms are one of the most common places00:14:36
that scars will be present but what00:14:39
would provide concrete proof of her00:14:41
relation and therefore her identity00:14:44
would be a DNA test with it being her00:14:47
stepdaughter there was no point testing00:14:49
the mother there was no testing the00:14:51
father either as he'd walked out in the00:14:53
family some years earlier possibly due00:14:55
to the stress of his daughter's00:14:57
disappearance however the girl's father00:14:59
and her stepmother had their own00:15:01
daughter meaning we could test her DNA00:15:03
in relation to Jane Doe's and if we got00:15:05
anything back around a 25% match then00:15:09
that' be enough for Jane Doe to get her00:15:11
name back I was very confident that test00:15:14
was going to come back positive I mean00:15:16
the chances of two different fair-haired00:15:18
young women having the exact same scar00:15:20
just above their elbow were00:15:23
astronomical I showed the stepmother a00:15:25
cropping of the autopsy photo too and00:15:27
she claimed to be 99% sure that the scar00:15:30
above her elbow belonged to her00:15:32
stepdaughter but then when the DNA00:15:34
results came back it read no00:15:37
match there was a 0% match between the00:15:40
two supposed half sisters which on the00:15:42
surface meant Jane Doe could not have00:15:45
been the woman's missing stepdaughter if00:15:47
she was and as I've already covered the00:15:50
DNA test would have resulted in a match00:15:52
of around00:15:53
25% and needless to say I was incredibly00:15:57
disappointed I had such a strong hunch00:16:00
that Jane Doe was the missing00:16:01
stepdaughter and so at first those test00:16:04
results were a real hit to my confidence00:16:07
if I had a picture of the stepdaughter's00:16:09
hand something that I could use to00:16:11
compare those two scars that would have00:16:13
been a game changer but I didn't and no00:16:16
offense to the stepmother but I wasn't00:16:18
about to trust her very fallible memory00:16:21
over a black and white DNA test that00:16:23
read plain and simple no match I was00:16:26
forced to consider other options so I00:16:28
carried on working and contacting the00:16:31
families of missing young women in the00:16:32
state of Mississippi but every so often00:16:35
I'd come back to the missing00:16:36
stepdaughter wondering how in the hell00:16:39
such a sure thing had turned out to be a00:16:41
dud and that's how after thinking about00:16:43
it for a long time I began to ask myself00:16:46
some very out there questions namely00:16:50
what if there was no match between the00:16:51
two half sisters because the missing one00:16:54
wasn't actually her father's biological00:16:56
daughter from his first marriage she was00:16:59
supposed to be from his first marriage00:17:01
right and her stepmother was given no00:17:03
reason to doubt what her husband was00:17:05
telling her but then what if that was a00:17:08
lie at that stage I had no idea why the00:17:11
father might lie about something like00:17:13
that but there was at least one innocent00:17:15
explanation for it in that her missing00:17:17
girl might have been adopted at an early00:17:20
age perhaps her adopted father didn't00:17:23
want her to know this so he decided to00:17:25
keep it a secret until a more00:17:27
appropriate time00:17:29
after all he and his new partner chose00:17:31
to have a child together pretty quickly00:17:33
and knowledge of their adoptive00:17:35
background might add strain to an00:17:37
already stressful situation but then00:17:40
what if there was some other reason why00:17:41
the father had lied about his first00:17:43
daughter's Origins one that wasn't00:17:45
nearly so00:17:46
wholesome I asked the woman if she'd00:17:48
ever met her missing husband's first00:17:50
wife and she said no that she'd passed00:17:53
not long after giving birth to his00:17:55
daughter and that her husband had00:17:57
claimed that the memory was so painful00:17:59
that he'd rather not revisit it that's00:18:02
what prompted me to dig into the00:18:03
father's background a little just to see00:18:05
if there was any adoption records in his00:18:07
name but there wasn't a single document00:18:10
with a supposed father's name on it00:18:12
anywhere in the system I then went back00:18:14
to the stepmother and asked if she'd00:18:16
held on to any of her husband's old00:18:19
documentation particularly anything with00:18:21
his social security number on it she00:18:24
said that there wasn't much in the way00:18:25
of documentation but that she had his00:18:27
Social sec security number written down00:18:29
somewhere she thought that she might00:18:31
need it during the process of dividing00:18:33
up her deceased husband's estate but it00:18:35
turned out that she hadn't needed to and00:18:38
was only too happy to pass it along to00:18:40
me once I had his social security number00:18:43
I could run it through state adoption00:18:44
databases and if it came back with a00:18:47
match of him adopting a girl of Jane00:18:49
Do's age then my theory was back on00:18:52
track but frustratingly it didn't come00:18:55
back a match but during the process of00:18:57
inves tigating the social security00:18:59
number I discovered something which00:19:01
broke the case wide00:19:04
open the social security number did not00:19:07
match the name of the missing father and00:19:10
instead an entirely different name came00:19:12
back when I ran it through the state's00:19:14
computer00:19:15
system I knew I was on to something the00:19:17
moment a different name came back but00:19:19
this name didn't match any in the00:19:21
state's adoption records either however00:19:24
the name had a criminal history attached00:19:26
to it and while it was very brief one it00:19:29
was very significant to the00:19:32
investigation the criminal history00:19:34
included one count of indecent exposure00:19:36
and one count of attempted kidnap on a00:19:39
minor according to my timeline this guy00:19:42
does just six of an 11-year sentence for00:19:45
attempted kidnapping and then just00:19:48
disappears then about a year later a man00:19:51
matching his exact physical description00:19:53
shows up on the other side of the00:19:54
country with a little girl telling00:19:57
everyone it's biological00:19:59
daughter I made sure to get a look at00:20:01
some photos of the missing father too00:20:03
and he was an exact match for the mug00:20:06
shots of our00:20:08
pederast I spoke to the stepmother00:20:11
extensively regarding the manner in00:20:12
which her stepdaughter disappeared and00:20:14
she told me it wasn't an overnight thing00:20:17
her step-daughter's relationship with00:20:19
her father had soured dramatically over00:20:21
the final few months before she vanished00:20:23
so at first it was believed that she'd00:20:25
simply run away from home She was00:20:28
recently 18 at the time and seeing as00:20:30
she was a legal adult she was free to do00:20:33
as she pleased her father claimed that00:20:35
he was attempting to bring her back home00:20:37
but eventually contact with her began to00:20:40
wne before ceasing00:20:42
altogether the stepmother mentioned how00:20:45
difficult it was to get her husband to00:20:46
file a missing person's report she said00:20:49
that reporting her missing felt like a00:20:51
defeat for him that acknowledging she00:20:53
was in Danger made him feel like he'd00:20:55
failed as a00:20:57
father it took many months for him to00:20:59
concede but eventually they filed a00:21:01
report with the Hattisburg Police00:21:04
Department the move seemed to crush him00:21:06
and around 6 months afterwards he walked00:21:08
out on both his wife and his younger00:21:11
daughter leaving only a note which read00:21:13
I'm sorry I asked when this was if she00:21:16
could remember the date of her husband's00:21:18
departure she told me it was on August00:21:21
of 1993 Friday the 13th to be exact she00:21:25
remembered it like it was yesterday and00:21:28
in the seconds after she mentioned the00:21:29
date I felt a thought hit me right00:21:32
between the eyes like a diamond tipped00:21:34
bullet of00:21:36
realization Jane Do's body was found on00:21:38
Saturday August 14th 1993 the very next00:21:42
day after This Woman's husband had00:21:43
mysteriously00:21:45
departed it was him that had made her00:21:47
disappear him that had killed her and00:21:51
him that had dumped her body at the side00:21:52
of the00:21:53
highway I walked out of that woman's00:21:56
home with a poker face that could have00:21:57
rivaled a million dooll00:21:59
professional the hunch that her missing00:22:01
husband had murdered her stepdaughter00:22:03
and a move prompted by the filing of00:22:06
that missing person's report it gave me00:22:08
one of the strongest hunches I had ever00:22:10
felt in all my career in law00:22:12
enforcement but in the moment when she00:22:15
told me the date of his sudden departure00:22:17
I simply could not bring myself to tell00:22:19
her what I honestly thought she had this00:22:22
whole tragic narrative built up around00:22:24
her family one that came with a cross00:22:26
that she had to carry wherever she went00:22:28
and I couldn't bear to add any more of00:22:30
that to the00:22:32
load if she is to find out the truth it00:22:36
should be via the proper channels and it00:22:38
should be based on concrete judicial00:22:40
results not what at the time were still00:22:44
nothing but half-baked theories so00:22:45
convoluted that I felt like I was losing00:22:47
my mind and how do you even begin to00:22:50
tell someone that her husband married00:22:52
her under an assumed identity that his00:22:54
so-called daughter might have been a00:22:56
kidnap victim and that Not only was he a00:22:59
potential suspect in her disappearance00:23:01
but also her eventual murderer00:23:04
too I think just one of those things00:23:07
would be enough to send a woman like00:23:08
that into shock induced Catatonia but00:23:11
all four at once I figured that might00:23:13
kill a person dead if you caught them in00:23:15
the wrong mood with it since I had no00:23:18
viable suspects there was no point in00:23:20
taking any of my findings to the00:23:22
district attorney but there was a whole00:23:24
lot of point in taking what I'd found to00:23:26
the mbi's major crimes unit as well as00:23:29
several other organizations including00:23:31
the FBI the US Marshall service the00:23:34
National Crime information center and00:23:36
the national Center for missing and00:23:38
exploited00:23:39
children if we were potentially looking00:23:41
at a nationwide manhunt for us soon to00:23:43
be fugitive then there was only so much00:23:46
State authorities were capable of and if00:23:48
the father had in fact fled the country00:23:51
then it was well and truly out of our00:23:54
hands after that I simply reclosed the00:23:56
case placed it back in the stack with00:23:58
all the other cold ones and then went00:24:01
about trying to find one that had result00:24:04
in an actual conviction and not just an00:24:06
entry on the FBI's Most Wanted00:24:09
website the Cold Case unit was set up to00:24:11
close cases and get results ideally in00:24:14
cases where investigators were just a00:24:16
few short yards from making the00:24:18
touchdown all I could do was hope that00:24:21
someone of the federal chain took00:24:23
interest enough to find our suspect00:24:25
extradite him back to Mississippi and00:24:27
then put on trial for murder but to date00:24:31
that hasn't happened I worked on a bunch00:24:33
more cases some good some bad but I00:24:36
never heard back about the Marshall00:24:38
County Jane Doe and I never shared my00:24:41
thoughts or feelings with her00:24:43
stepmother like I said it wouldn't feel00:24:45
right putting that kind of weight on her00:24:47
especially when it all just amounted to00:24:49
theories I work in the state's criminal00:24:51
information center now doing something00:24:53
much slower and much less taxing than00:24:56
working old cold cases00:24:58
I miss my time with the unit they seem00:25:01
like they were the good old days before00:25:02
I really realized that they truly were00:25:04
the good old days but I don't miss cases00:25:07
like Jane Doe because that's impossible00:25:11
to miss something you have to leave it00:25:13
behind it has to disappear or change in00:25:15
some way but Jane Doe's life her death00:25:19
her story they'll always be with me I've00:25:22
accepted that now and as much as I'd00:25:25
like to see her killer brought to00:25:26
Justice before I go go back to God I've00:25:29
also accepted that for some folks00:25:32
Justice is a luxury they'll simply never00:25:36
get to00:25:41
[Music]00:25:46
enjoy my name is Andrew I'm from00:25:49
whitness in Northwestern England and I'm00:25:51
a huge fan of the channel particularly00:25:53
the dedicated true crime videos that you00:25:55
upload from time to time and I'm really00:25:58
interested in the subject of criminality00:26:00
and although I've never worked within00:26:02
the Police Service I've been involved in00:26:04
private security investigation for the00:26:06
last 22 years you see here in England00:26:09
you don't really need any policing00:26:11
experience to become a pi all you have00:26:14
to do is obtain a license from the00:26:16
security industry Authority attend the00:26:18
relevant training courses and boom00:26:21
you're free to start practicing as a00:26:23
fully licensed private investigator now00:26:26
don't get me wrong I'd considered00:26:28
becoming a police officer for quite some00:26:30
time but when push came to shove the00:26:33
antisocial hours and shockingly low00:26:36
wages had me considering many other00:26:38
options I worked odd jobs for a few00:26:41
years just kind of mulling over what I00:26:43
wanted to do in my life and in my late00:26:45
20s I came up with the idea to get into00:26:48
Private00:26:49
Investigations my first job was00:26:51
essentially a lowp paid 12-month long00:26:53
apprenticeship but since my income was00:26:55
supplemented by the department of work00:26:57
and pensions it wasn't like I was having00:27:00
to pinch every penny in order to get by00:27:03
I used those 12 months to advance my00:27:05
knowledge of the trade and my boss was a00:27:07
former member of the criminal00:27:08
investigation department meaning he had00:27:11
an awful lot of skill and experience to00:27:13
pass00:27:14
on I mostly shadowed him during that00:27:16
first year helping out on the clerical00:27:19
side of things running small errands and00:27:21
making copious Cups of Tea I wasn't00:27:24
massively Hands-On at first but by the00:27:27
end of the 12 months I was being treated00:27:29
as a capable member of the00:27:30
investigations team and that led to a00:27:33
formal job offer at the end of the00:27:35
apprenticeship I wasn't immediately00:27:37
trusted to take cases on of my own I00:27:40
still operated as part of the team and00:27:42
mostly under the direct guidance of more00:27:44
senior00:27:46
investigators but as that learning00:27:48
process continued the trust that was00:27:50
placed on Me grew and grew until finally00:27:53
the time came for me to start working00:27:55
cases on my own in the years that00:27:57
followed I worked a lot of very00:27:59
depressing and very stress inducing00:28:02
cases I also worked my fair share that I00:28:05
described as boring too but out of all00:28:08
of them there was only one that ever00:28:10
really frightened me and I'm talking00:28:12
like properly terrified too not just a00:28:15
little bit anxious in that case was this00:28:18
one I'm about to tell you so one day The00:28:22
Firm I worked for got a call from a00:28:24
woman whose grown-up son had been00:28:26
missing for just under a year00:28:28
he'd originally disappeared for around 400:28:30
months then his mom had gotten a text00:28:33
message from his phone saying that he00:28:34
was okay but wanted a new start00:28:37
elsewhere he said he was sorry for00:28:39
upsetting people but that it was just00:28:41
something that he had to do and that00:28:43
he'd be in touch whenever he00:28:44
could the woman said that she knew her00:28:47
son had gone through a difficult patch00:28:48
but that she was devastated by the news00:28:51
of his sudden and unexpected00:28:53
departure it wasn't completely out of00:28:55
character either he'd run away from home00:28:58
as a teenager to try and live with his00:28:59
biological father but it come straight00:29:02
home when he saw the reality of how he00:29:04
lived he'd also run away to sleep on a00:29:06
friend's spare mattress back when he was00:29:08
a younger teenager too so it wasn't like00:29:11
just absconding was completely out of00:29:13
character for him the trouble came when00:29:16
his mom tried calling him to talk on the00:29:18
phone at first she said that she00:29:20
understood him not wanting to talk00:29:22
because he said the sound of her voice00:29:24
would make him too emotional but then as00:29:27
time went by his refusal to talk on the00:29:29
phone got very suspicious she'd already00:29:32
been in touch with the police by that00:29:33
time and her son was officially a00:29:35
missing person when he got back in touch00:29:38
but then the moment she informs the00:29:39
police that she's been in contact with00:29:41
her son he gets taken off the missing00:29:43
person's register but the Mom jumped the00:29:46
gun she was so eager to share the good00:29:49
news that she didn't think to do the leg00:29:50
work in terms of confirming it really00:29:52
was her son and by the time she realized00:29:55
that something dodgy was going on she00:29:57
had to get back in touch with the police00:30:00
who by that time seemed to be convinced00:30:02
that it was all a load of family00:30:05
melodrama she had to called them half a00:30:07
dozen times just to get them to refile00:30:09
the missing person's report and even00:30:11
then they clearly weren't taking her00:30:13
very00:30:14
seriously it took months for the police00:30:17
to get back to her and when they did00:30:19
they said that her son's phone had00:30:21
pinged off some mobile Towers in the00:30:23
area and had started doing so a few00:30:25
nights a week around 4 months to his00:30:28
disappearance his mom was shown on the00:30:30
map where this area was and she was00:30:32
asked what reason she thought that he00:30:34
had to be in that area and she had no00:30:37
idea the police then when looking around00:30:39
this area and found it to be a small00:30:41
Junction with a few shops and a pub00:30:44
officers asked the patrons of each if00:30:46
they'd seen the bloke and although00:30:47
people in the kebab and bedding shops00:30:49
had no idea who or where he was some of00:30:52
the patrons of the pub said that they00:30:53
had seen him around the bar a few times00:30:55
in the past they had no idea when they00:30:58
just said that he looked familiar and00:31:00
that they definitely seen him sitting at00:31:01
the bar drinking a pint of logger from00:31:03
time to00:31:05
time this was good news on the surface00:31:07
but as the police rightly said the woman00:31:10
sudden wouldn't be taken off the missing00:31:11
person's register until someone had00:31:14
physical face-to-face contact with him00:31:17
getting him on the phone would be ideal00:31:19
but even so it didn't exclude the00:31:21
possibility of him being in danger00:31:23
somehow modern day slavery is still very00:31:26
much a thing in cities across the UK and00:31:28
it might not be as plain and obvious as00:31:30
you might expect so even if her son00:31:33
assured her that he was okay the police00:31:35
told the mom to keep on texting and00:31:37
trying to call him until her son gave up00:31:39
his location and in the meantime00:31:42
officers from their missing person's00:31:44
team would keep looking for him but more00:31:46
and more time went by and they didn't00:31:48
seem to have any00:31:49
results in the end the woman was told00:31:52
that although her son's case would00:31:54
obviously remain open with his picture00:31:56
and profile file on their website the00:31:58
police would be diverting resources away00:32:00
from the search for her son they weren't00:32:03
abandoning the case not by any stretch00:32:05
of the imagination but the fact was that00:32:08
there were more urgent cases that needed00:32:10
their immediate attention one of the00:32:13
missing person's team would revisit the00:32:15
case from time to time but apart from00:32:16
that there was only so much they could00:32:18
do and that's where I entered the00:32:21
situation when my boss assigned me the00:32:24
job of tracking down this woman's son00:32:27
since the last place he seemed to have00:32:29
been cited was the pub the police had00:32:31
mentioned I thought i' better start00:32:33
there so I could chat with some of the00:32:34
patrons I'm not quite sure what I was00:32:36
expecting to be honest all I knew was00:32:39
that it was a pub but let me tell you00:32:41
there are family pubs old man pubs and00:32:44
then there are pubs like the one I had00:32:46
to visit when I was working this case00:32:48
and they are not the kind of place you'd00:32:50
take your kids for Sunday00:32:52
lunch I've been to a fair few dodgy pubs00:32:55
in my time but this one took the biscuit00:32:58
the police had apparently told the lad's00:33:00
mother that the people drinking in the00:33:02
pub were very Cooperative but when I00:33:04
visited I realized that they must have00:33:06
been on their best00:33:08
behavior first of all the second I00:33:10
turned into the little Courtyard this00:33:12
group of Four Lads who were standing00:33:14
outside smoking stopped talking turned00:33:17
to look at me and then studied me00:33:19
silently and carefully as I passed them00:33:21
I gave them a quick all right Lads but00:33:25
they didn't return the greeting they00:33:26
just kept on eyeing me up intimidatingly00:33:29
as I pulled the Pub's door open and00:33:30
walked00:33:32
inside there was almost a Repeat00:33:34
Performance as I walked up to the bar00:33:37
not exactly a record scratch moment00:33:39
where everyone turned around to look at00:33:40
me but I felt enough eyes to feel a00:33:43
smidge of stage fright as I walked up to00:33:45
the bar and ordered a00:33:47
lemonade the first thing the barid asked00:33:50
me was are you a copper and in all00:33:52
fairness I not only ordered like one but00:33:55
I look like one too since I was dressed00:33:57
in my work suit I told her no that I00:34:00
wasn't a cop but that I was there to ask00:34:03
a few questions if she had the time to00:34:05
talk she didn't look best pleased at00:34:07
this answer but said that she'd help as00:34:10
best she could if she could I showed her00:34:13
the picture of the lad that I was00:34:14
looking for and after studying it for a00:34:16
second or two she told me that yes she00:34:19
recognized him but she hadn't seen him00:34:21
in a few00:34:22
months however she added that she wasn't00:34:25
the only bar maid who worked there and00:34:27
that the others might have seen him more00:34:29
recently than she and after that I00:34:32
started making my way around the pub00:34:34
talking to individuals or groups and not00:34:36
having much joy at all most said that00:34:39
they had no idea who the lad was others00:34:42
said he looked familiar but they00:34:43
couldn't remember when he'd been in or00:34:46
what his name was I thanked everyone for00:34:48
their time even the ones who told me to00:34:50
f off or decided to take the piss and00:34:53
then eventually I got around to this big00:34:56
table of five BLS and thankfully they00:34:58
actually seem Keen to help they all look00:35:01
to be in their 40s and 50s the kind of00:35:04
salt of the earth workingclass BLS that00:35:06
you'd expect to see in any kind of Pub00:35:09
only there was something different about00:35:10
this group this was around 6 in the00:35:13
morning when I popped in and almost00:35:14
everyone else in the pub was either00:35:16
wearing their Dirty Work uniforms think00:35:19
Builders or painters or very casual00:35:22
track suits or training gear which tends00:35:24
to be the uniform of the northern00:35:26
working class00:35:27
but then these BLS sat around the larger00:35:29
table were almost all wearing luxury00:35:32
designer clothing Stone Island Barbour00:35:36
moner and St lauron they were all00:35:38
wearing stuff like that and how do I put00:35:41
this suspiciously expensive in light of00:35:44
where they were drinking it wasn't00:35:46
exactly in your face either and the00:35:48
untrained or unfashionable eye might not00:35:51
have picked it up but I did and it00:35:53
immediately captured my interest I00:35:56
didn't say anything anything about their00:35:57
clothing I just showed them the picture00:35:58
of the lad that was missing and asked if00:36:00
they'd seen him or knew him and they00:36:03
knew him all right but only by00:36:05
reputation one of the BLS said something00:36:08
to the effect of look mate I don't want00:36:10
to grasp this kid up but he was all00:36:13
kinds of drugs and he was always getting00:36:15
himself into trouble if he disappeared00:36:17
he probably owes someone money and that00:36:19
person is probably a drug dealer you00:36:21
find the dealer and you find the lad00:36:24
that's the way I see it anyway00:36:27
and the rest of the bloke seemed to00:36:28
agree with this although they didn't00:36:30
talk nearly as much as the shorter bloke00:36:32
and the stone Island jumper and the salt00:36:33
and pepper hair whose mates seemed00:36:35
content to let him talk for them I then00:36:39
asked if the missing lad had been into00:36:41
the pub in the past few weeks and they00:36:43
said no but I followed up by asking if00:36:46
anyone had seen him in the pub on the00:36:48
exact date one which his mobile carrier00:36:52
had confirmed that he was in the area on00:36:55
they said no again they they hadn't seen00:36:57
him on that date and they'd remember00:36:59
because it was on a Saturday and they'd00:37:01
been in the pub all day once they'd00:37:03
answered my questions I thanked them and00:37:06
then I sat down at a free table to00:37:07
finish my drink as I continued to subtly00:37:10
people00:37:12
watch one of the other things I noticed00:37:14
about the pub was that toilet visits00:37:17
were very frequent and while that might00:37:19
not be unusual in a place that sells00:37:21
alcohol seeing Lads go off to the toilet00:37:24
in Peis was a dead giveaway that there00:37:26
was drug use occurring but in contrast00:37:29
to all the people going in and out of00:37:31
the toilets and then walking out looking00:37:33
like they just sucked the juice out of a00:37:34
car battery the group of five00:37:37
well-dressed older BLS didn't move the00:37:39
only time they interacted with anyone00:37:42
was when this roughl looking lad walked00:37:43
up to them asked them something quietly00:37:46
then got a series of intense stares from00:37:48
the group before he seemed to apologize00:37:50
and walk00:37:51
away after I spoke to everyone I could I00:37:54
sat there at the bar suddenly people00:37:56
watched ing until I finished my00:37:58
lemonade and then after that I walked00:38:01
out of the pub after thanking the barid00:38:03
but on the way out just as I got into00:38:06
the little smoking area out the front a00:38:09
woman asked if I had a spare00:38:11
cigarette I told her I didn't smoke and00:38:14
then she asked me if I had any spare00:38:16
change but instead of turning her down I00:38:19
asked her to take a walk with me so I00:38:20
could get some money out of a cash00:38:22
machine to give her as we were walking00:38:25
she asked if I wanteded any business and00:38:28
for those that are unaware that's a00:38:31
phrase that the ladies of the night used00:38:33
to ask potential John's if they'd like00:38:35
to buy their services and this might00:38:37
sound a bit insensitive of me but the00:38:40
second I heard that I knew that I was00:38:42
going to be able to get some information00:38:44
out of her she definitely was a user in00:38:47
hard drugs too like heroin and crack not00:38:50
a bit of puff like the inside of that00:38:52
Pub stunk of and that meant that she'd00:38:55
tell me anything I bloody well asked her00:38:57
if it meant getting enough money for a00:38:59
fix bearing in mind you have to make it00:39:02
clear that if they give you accurate00:39:04
info there'll be more money in it for00:39:06
them down the line and that you'll be00:39:08
checking everything they tell you to00:39:10
make sure that they're a reliable source00:39:13
a junkie would say anything to get money00:39:15
for drugs but the prospect of getting00:39:17
more and more money off of you in the00:39:18
future that puts a much more honest00:39:21
tongue in their mouths let me tell you00:39:24
anyway I told her all of that and said00:39:27
that I'd give her 20 quid then and00:39:28
another 20 if I found out the info was00:39:32
reliable if she sat in that Pub watched00:39:35
and listened and then told me everything00:39:37
significant she'd seen and heard then00:39:39
I'd give her even more money if that00:39:42
info proved reliable and so on and so00:39:45
forth obviously she was delighted at the00:39:47
Prospect and answered all my initial00:39:49
questions with this being what she told00:39:52
me my early suspicions that the five00:39:54
well-dressed BLS were sign ific players00:39:57
in the local drug scene were correct00:39:59
although they never did any of the00:40:01
actual dealing they left that to some00:40:03
underlings who hung around the pub too00:40:06
the missing lad used to come in and buy00:40:08
drugs and the last time the junky girl00:40:10
had ever seen him some kind of set to or00:40:13
argument had taken place between him and00:40:15
one of the mid-level dealers I asked her00:40:18
if she'd ever mentioned this to anyone00:40:20
else and she said no the only other00:40:22
person that had asked her had been a00:40:24
policeman and she'd been in the public00:40:26
at the time so she kept stum and claimed00:40:29
that she hadn't seen the missing lad and00:40:31
as you can imagine then made for a huge00:40:34
find no one had ever mentioned the00:40:36
missing lad having any kind of00:40:38
disagreement with anyone before and as00:40:40
any detective worth assault will tell00:40:42
you people like that as in people00:40:44
they've had arguments with are exactly00:40:47
the kind of people that you want to talk00:40:48
to after a certain person goes missing00:40:51
the only trouble was I'd already been00:40:53
sniffing around there once and I could00:40:55
tell people hadn't acted as naturally as00:40:57
they would have been acting if I wasn't00:40:59
around to see them I blown my cover00:41:02
basically which in any other situation00:41:04
might have been a big mistake but I had00:41:07
my mole on the inside my eyes and ears00:41:10
and I just had to hope the information00:41:12
that she provided me with was as00:41:14
accurate as I hoped it would be I took00:41:17
her phone number told her what to do00:41:18
then kept in touch with her by text00:41:20
message over the days that followed she00:41:23
knew what her job was and I passed along00:41:25
one crucial instruction don't go asking00:41:28
about the guy who gone missing don't go00:41:30
asking anything at all for that matter00:41:33
all she needed to do was keep her ears00:41:35
open and watch out for any unusual or00:41:38
suspicious behavior when we parted I00:41:41
wasn't planning on checking in with her00:41:42
for a couple of days you know to00:41:45
hopefully let some info Mount up but00:41:47
just a few hours later she gave me a00:41:49
call she told me the well-dressed BLS00:41:52
had been talking about me they hadn't00:41:54
said a lot but they had had been talking00:41:56
about me I asked what had been said and00:41:59
she told me exactly what had happened in00:42:02
the last half hour before the pub closed00:42:04
for the night another well-dressed00:42:06
person had popped in and joined the00:42:08
others for a quick pint my mole was at00:42:10
the bar sitting side on as to not draw00:42:13
suspicion but she was listening into00:42:16
everything they had to say when the most00:42:19
recent arrival sat down there was a00:42:21
brief exchange of greetings and then one00:42:23
of them says in a low voice there's a00:42:25
fellin asking about you know who and the00:42:29
newest arrival asked stick to the story00:42:32
then one of the others just nodded and00:42:34
that was that and they changed the00:42:36
subject00:42:38
afterwards I asked if they said anything00:42:40
else the rest of the night and my mole00:42:42
said no so as much as I was grateful for00:42:45
the information it wasn't much of use to00:42:47
me besides confirming my suspicions that00:42:49
they were somehow involved in the00:42:51
missing lad's00:42:52
disappearance the girl asked for more00:42:54
money and I said that I'd give her some00:42:56
but only in a few days so she had a00:42:58
chance to do some more ear wigging and00:43:01
she agreed but said that she wanted00:43:02
proper compensation for her time to00:43:04
which I reluctantly00:43:06
agreed a few days later I gave her a00:43:09
call hoping that she'd have a few more00:43:11
tidbits to give me but to my deep00:43:13
disappointment she didn't she basically00:43:16
told me that she'd been trying her best00:43:18
had stuck to my rule of not asking00:43:20
questions herself but she hadn't heard a00:43:23
single thing related to either me or the00:43:25
missing person's case I was00:43:27
investigating and like I said I was00:43:29
disappointed but I told her that if she00:43:30
did manage to hear anything that she was00:43:32
still welcome to give me a call but that00:43:35
was not what she wanted to hear she00:43:37
started to give me this sob story about00:43:39
how she needed money how she could have00:43:41
been off earning but had instead been00:43:44
sitting in the pub acting like a spy for00:43:46
me and she did raise a point if I wasn't00:43:49
giving her money for drugs she'd be off00:43:51
earning the money for them elsewhere so00:43:53
as much as it wasn't very ethical of me00:43:55
to do so so I arranged to meet with her00:43:58
so I could give her some cash a few00:44:00
hours later I'm sitting in an Aldi car00:44:03
park waiting for this girl to turn up00:44:05
and when she does she's very happy to00:44:07
see me I gave her 50 Quid told her to00:44:10
keep up the good work and then said that00:44:12
I'd call her in a couple of days at the00:44:15
time I appreciated the fact that she was00:44:16
brutally honest with me she could have00:44:19
easily made something up just to get00:44:21
some more money but she hadn't and as00:44:23
she was about to get out of my car I00:44:25
told her as00:44:26
much I mentioned there would be a bonus00:44:29
in it for her if she found me anything00:44:30
particularly juicy and then instead of00:44:33
pushing the car door all the way open00:44:34
and climbing out she closed it again and00:44:37
turned back towards me she started to00:44:40
say how there was something that she'd00:44:43
noticed in the past few days but that it00:44:45
was so small that she didn't think it00:44:47
was worth mentioning I reminded her not00:44:49
to make anything up and she swore that00:44:51
she wasn't so I asked her to00:44:53
continue she said that the in the stone00:44:56
Island jumper that had done all the00:44:58
Talking he was shorter than the rest00:45:00
with close cropped salt and pepper hair00:45:03
always had about two or three phones on00:45:05
him as drug dealers tend to do but00:45:08
whichever phone he used there was always00:45:11
top-of-the-line iPhone or Samsung type00:45:13
things and he was never shy about using00:45:15
them in public she said sometimes he'd00:45:18
be talking on one and then typing00:45:20
messages into the other bold as brass00:45:23
but then that previous day she'd spotted00:45:26
him using an old flip phone and he'd00:45:28
been usually shy about doing00:45:30
so now obviously this was crucial00:45:33
information someone was acting out of00:45:35
the ordinary and they were trying to be00:45:37
subtle about it too the girl said she00:45:40
wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't00:45:41
literally paying her to watch people on00:45:43
The Sly and that she didn't think a new00:45:45
phone was worth mentioning until she saw00:45:47
the way the guy acted while using it I00:45:50
reminded her that this was exactly the00:45:52
kind of information I wanted to know and00:45:54
then gave her a few extra quid on on top00:45:56
of that after she assured me what she00:45:58
was saying was the truth and on the00:46:01
drive home I slowly began to piece00:46:03
things together I realized there was a00:46:06
very good chance that the old flip phone00:46:08
belonged to my missing person and the00:46:11
dealer had been trying to use it to fool00:46:12
the mum into thinking that her son was00:46:15
alive and00:46:16
well if I was a police officer I could00:46:20
get a warrant walk into the pub and00:46:22
search him on the spot but there was00:46:24
absolutely no way of me being able to do00:46:26
that as a pi so instead I had to think00:46:29
outside the box first thing I did was00:46:32
get in touch with the missing lad's mom00:46:34
then ask if her son had been in touch00:46:37
with her in the last couple of days she00:46:39
said that she hadn't heard from him in00:46:41
weeks and he still refused to answer any00:46:43
phone calls but from where I was00:46:45
standing the dealer could have been00:46:47
using the missing lad's lowtech phone to00:46:49
assure other people for example friends00:46:52
and other family members that he didn't00:46:54
need to be looked for00:46:56
basically I still thought that I was on00:46:58
to something so I stopped shaving for a00:47:00
week dug out some much more casual00:47:03
clothes than decided to start visiting00:47:04
the pub every now and then to watch the00:47:07
well-dressed suspected dealers at their00:47:09
table of00:47:10
five I've had the missing lad's numers00:47:13
since way back when I first took the00:47:14
case and I tried calling it a few times00:47:17
myself but one of three things tended to00:47:20
happen either the phone didn't ring at00:47:22
all it rang all the way to the answering00:47:24
machine or someone actively declined it00:47:28
but this gave me an idea every so often00:47:30
I'd stop by the pub sporting my civilian00:47:33
clothes baseball cap and my scruffy00:47:35
facial hair sit inconspicuously in a00:47:37
corner and keep my eye on the table of00:47:40
five I only ever did this during peak00:47:42
hours so as not to draw too much00:47:44
attention to myself but every time I did00:47:47
i' take out my phone bring up the00:47:49
missing lad's number and call it while00:47:51
covertly watching the table of dealers I00:47:54
must have done this five or or six times00:47:56
with each call going straight to00:47:58
voicemail but then one night the phone00:48:02
actually started to00:48:04
ring I didn't have my phone right up on00:48:06
my ear I had it out of sight but I could00:48:09
see it still saying dialing instead of00:48:12
connecting and going to voicemail so I00:48:14
looked over at the table of dealers lo00:48:17
and behold the little fellow with salt00:48:19
and pepper hair reaches into his pocket00:48:21
looks at something tucked away in there00:48:23
out of sight and when I looked back back00:48:25
at my mobile the call had gone to00:48:28
voicemail the screen had gone from00:48:30
dialing to the little clock that counts00:48:33
how long a phone call had been so I hung00:48:35
up the call and then tried again and00:48:38
once again the smaller fell reaches into00:48:40
his jacket but that time he takes00:48:43
something out of his pocket instead of00:48:44
just looking at it and then just like I00:48:47
was he holds the phone just under the00:48:49
table out of sight and then puts it back00:48:51
into his pocket again not only had my00:48:54
second call been declined00:48:56
but the third didn't connect at all he00:48:58
turned off the missing lad's phone right00:49:00
there in front of me a minute later I00:49:03
was sat in my car trying desperately to00:49:05
get in touch with the detective in00:49:06
charge of the police00:49:08
investigation I had her work mobile and00:49:10
I knew that she worked weekends but this00:49:12
was half eight in the evening on a00:49:14
Saturday so all I got was her voicemail00:49:18
too I left her a message saying I had00:49:20
something very important to talk to her00:49:22
about and that I'd get in contact with00:49:23
her again on Monday morning just so I'd00:49:25
be sure to catch her she called me back00:49:28
the following afternoon and when she did00:49:30
I told her everything that I'd seen in00:49:32
the00:49:33
pub I then made my theory abundantly00:49:35
clear to her that something terrible had00:49:37
happened to her missing lad and that00:49:39
this one particular dealer was using his00:49:41
phone to convince people that he was00:49:44
alive the reports of him being seen in00:49:46
the pub following his disappearance were00:49:48
false and had been issued by those00:49:51
responsible for his disappearance and in00:49:53
all probability this poor l 's00:49:56
murder the detective knew about the00:49:58
missing lad's drug use but somehow the00:50:01
first lot to investigate hadn't put two00:50:03
and two together regarding his00:50:05
disappearance and those that were00:50:06
essentially using the pub as a base of00:50:09
operation the pub had been treated as a00:50:11
place the police might find the missing00:50:13
lad when in reality it was the very00:50:15
place he went00:50:17
missing I honestly felt like I'd cracked00:50:19
the case and at first the detective00:50:21
seemed to find what I discovered to be00:50:23
very compelling but then cut to about 300:50:26
weeks later and I called her back to see00:50:28
how things were progressing and they00:50:30
hadn't moved an inch the police weren't00:50:33
prepared to swoop in on a bloke just00:50:35
because he owned an old flip phone00:50:37
especially when the missing lad might00:50:39
have swapped it for drugs prior to his00:50:41
disappearance she also told me that if00:50:43
the guy was pretending to be This00:50:45
Woman's missing or dead son that was an00:50:48
extremely cruel thing to do but there00:50:50
was no law on the land against it it00:50:53
didn't even constitute harassment since00:50:54
the guy obviously wasn't making00:50:56
sustained attempts to contact the00:50:58
missing lad's mother and unless he tried00:51:00
to scam her out of money or something in00:51:02
that vein there was no chance of doing00:51:05
him for fraud00:51:07
either the guy was a scumbag there was00:51:09
no doubt about that he was profiting00:51:12
from the misery of others but that00:51:14
didn't put him on the radar of missing00:51:16
persons or C not for the time being00:51:19
anyway it felt like a punch to the gut00:51:21
though all that work dismissed like it00:51:24
was some hair brain theory that I just00:51:26
pulled out of my ARS the people involved00:51:29
in this lad's disappearance whether it00:51:30
was murder false imprisonment or just00:51:33
threatening him into Vanishing they were00:51:35
sat right there in that scabby little00:51:37
Pub day after day and it was a complete00:51:41
Injustice in an Ideal World the police00:51:44
could just turn their homes upside down00:51:46
find the phone and any other evidence00:51:48
linking them to The lad's Disappearance00:51:49
and then throw the bloody book at them00:51:52
but sadly that's not the world we live00:51:55
in00:51:56
instead we live in the world where I had00:51:57
to give a terrified mother my honest00:51:59
assessment and it was one that left her00:52:02
completely00:52:03
bereft I didn't tell her that I thought00:52:06
her son was dead just that I was00:52:08
confident something bad had happened to00:52:10
him and that the well-dressed men in the00:52:11
pub Were Somehow00:52:13
responsible she thanked me through tears00:52:16
then our time working at her behest came00:52:18
to a00:52:20
close of all the cases I've worked00:52:22
that's the one that stuck with me the00:52:24
most and i' like to think it's obvious00:52:26
as to why that is I was so close so00:52:30
bloody close to finding out what00:52:31
happened to that guy and the fact that00:52:33
we just had to stop where we did and00:52:36
walk away hoping the police would do00:52:37
something it made me so frustrated that00:52:40
at the time I wanted to rip my hair out00:52:43
it still makes me angry to think about00:52:45
even all these years later and I hope00:52:47
that maybe just maybe I'll read it about00:52:50
it in the paper or hear about it on the00:52:52
news I know I won't get any credit if00:52:55
the police finally do solve that case00:52:57
but I'm not asking for any I just hope00:53:00
that one day a missing lad's mother gets00:53:02
the answers that she so richly00:53:08
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from a place called Pleasant Prairie in00:53:20
Wisconsin and I've been a subscriber00:53:22
since way back when you did graveyard00:53:24
shift stories I love your videos and00:53:26
I've always wanted to contribute in some00:53:28
way I've just never had anything00:53:30
sufficiently scary happen to me that00:53:32
would warrant writing it down don't get00:53:35
me wrong I'm very grateful for that but00:53:37
I always felt kind of guilty for00:53:38
listening to so many stories from other00:53:40
people without ever really offering up00:53:42
one myself but that's when I got an idea00:53:46
if I didn't have any of my own00:53:47
experiences to write about I'd just WR00:53:49
about somebody00:53:51
else's now I didn't go knocking on doors00:53:54
and begging people to tell tell me their00:53:55
most traumatic and terrifying00:53:57
experiences I just told myself that I00:53:59
would wait for the right opportunity if00:54:02
I ever heard a story account or a little00:54:05
anecdote that was submission worthy I'd00:54:07
ask the person's permission write down00:54:10
as many notes as possible and then send00:54:11
it over to you in the hopes that the00:54:13
story makes it into a video00:54:15
someday well my plan finally came to00:54:18
fruition this past Christmas when a trip00:54:21
to visit some extended family resulted00:54:22
in a chance meeting with an older cousin00:54:24
on related to by marriage so I have a00:54:28
very large extended family and I won't00:54:30
be so verbose as to give you an entire00:54:33
family tree but I still occasionally00:54:35
meet relatives for the very first time a00:54:38
distant aunt and I were talking when she00:54:40
introduced me to a much older second00:54:42
cousin twice removed I say cousin the00:54:46
guy was old enough to be my grandpa but00:54:48
I guess by the laws of family trees he00:54:50
was technically my cousin but for the00:54:52
sake of Simplicity and my own personal00:54:54
sanity I'll just call call him my uncle00:54:56
I said Hi and then as I was making my00:54:59
introductions my aunt had this light00:55:01
bulb moment and told my uncle that I was00:55:04
interested in serial killers and the00:55:06
like I thought that was kind of a weird00:55:08
way to introduce myself so I gave my00:55:11
aunt a look as if to say why on Earth00:55:13
did you mention that it's true I do have00:55:16
interest in True Crime but then so did00:55:19
my uncle because for 50 years he'd00:55:22
worked as a Wisconsin State patrolman00:55:25
and then a private eye just prior to his00:55:27
retirement I think I could have exploded00:55:30
with happiness right there I had no idea00:55:32
that I had any family that were former00:55:34
law enforcement so I was very excited to00:55:37
talk to him about his time as a00:55:40
patrolman it didn't occur to me right00:55:42
away that I could maybe coax a story or00:55:44
two out of him but by the time we got to00:55:46
talking about some of the most memorable00:55:48
experiences I knew it was only a matter00:55:50
of time before I plucked up the courage00:55:52
to ask what was the scariest or00:55:55
creepiest thing you encountered during00:55:56
your time in law00:55:58
enforcement I had a pretty good feeling00:56:00
that whatever he was going to tell me00:56:02
would be sufficiently intense to write a00:56:04
story about I mean you don't put half a00:56:06
century into something like law00:56:08
enforcement and not come across a few00:56:10
severely messed up things in that time00:56:13
but what he proceeded to tell me scared00:56:15
me more than I ever could have imagined00:56:18
and it came from just about as far from00:56:20
left field as I could have ever have00:56:23
guessed so when I first asked he gave a00:56:26
sigh before this very thoughtful look00:56:28
came over his face like there were so00:56:30
many incidents that he couldn't possibly00:56:32
just choose00:56:33
one he started out by telling me about a00:56:36
couple of bad car accidents he'd seen00:56:38
the kind where the happy go-lucky family00:56:40
of four get annihilated while the drunk00:56:42
who sent them rolling into a ditch in00:56:44
Flames walks away with nothing but a few00:56:46
cuts and00:56:47
bruises then he told me about a few00:56:49
murder scenes that he'd been unfortunate00:56:51
enough to have come across like the guy00:56:54
who had his arms nailed to a wall so00:56:55
that people he stole from could torture00:56:58
him to death he said it was the worst00:57:00
thing he'd ever seen turned his stomach00:57:03
but disgust and by extension horror are00:57:06
very different emotions to fear he00:57:09
explained my uncle said that when he was00:57:11
a state patrolman there wasn't much that00:57:13
scared him everywhere he went he was00:57:16
armed and if he ever got into trouble a00:57:19
few words into His Radio would have a00:57:21
small army showing up with some shotguns00:57:24
and rles he said he was apprehensive of00:57:27
violent criminals but he was able to00:57:29
defend himself and most importantly he00:57:32
had a badge and all that backup to deter00:57:35
anyone from messing with him and that00:57:37
all went away when he became a private00:57:40
investigator he was able to stay armed00:57:42
but that's all he had and if he got into00:57:45
any trouble his only option was to call00:57:47
911 just like a private citizen and hope00:57:49
some of his old co-workers got to him in00:57:52
time he said the closest he probably00:57:54
ever came came to losing his life was00:57:56
when some cheating husband figured out00:57:57
that he was being watched after he00:57:59
accidentally honked his horn one night00:58:01
while on00:58:02
surveillance his Target who seemed to be00:58:05
a naturally paranoid person became00:58:07
extremely agitated upon hearing that00:58:08
honk he came down with his pistol and00:58:11
pointed it right in my uncle's face he00:58:14
had to swear on his life that he'd been00:58:15
waiting for a friend had fallen asleep00:58:17
in his car then had accidentally leaned00:58:19
on his horn when he woke up again which00:58:22
incidentally was sort of what actually00:58:24
did happen I guess the truth of it00:58:26
showed in his face because following a00:58:28
Moment of clarity the man lowered his00:58:30
gun and told my Uncle to make himself00:58:33
scarce before he woke up the whole00:58:35
neighborhood he was quite certain that00:58:37
if the Unfaithful husband had suspected00:58:39
him of being some kind of private eye00:58:42
he'd have been shot right there and then00:58:45
people who believe they're being stocked00:58:46
can become very volatile and I believe00:58:49
they'd been poking that particular bear00:58:51
for weeks before the pistol pointing00:58:53
incident but still00:58:55
that wasn't the incident that had scared00:58:57
my uncle the most what scared him more00:59:00
than anything was something that00:59:01
happened when he was working as a00:59:02
private00:59:04
investigator he said that just after his00:59:06
retirement he was so bored that he00:59:08
figured that he had a few more years of00:59:10
work in him and since private00:59:12
investigation companies tend to offer00:59:14
competitive salaries based on previous00:59:16
experience he figured that he could Pat00:59:18
his bank account a little before00:59:20
spending his Twilight years fishing off00:59:22
the coast or whatever he wanted to do00:59:25
but then as I already mentioned certain00:59:28
moments in his brief career as a private00:59:30
eye was Far scarier than anything he00:59:32
encountered with the state patrol and so00:59:35
at one point the family of an unsolved00:59:37
murder victim approached the company00:59:39
that he was working for the victim was00:59:42
murdered in downtown Milwaukee back in00:59:45
1983 and then her body had been dumped00:59:47
off a bridge my uncle took the job of00:59:50
reinvestigating the murder around00:59:52
2013 so it had been a Cold Case for00:59:55
almost 30 years by that point the owner00:59:58
of the pi company was an ex Milwaukee PD01:00:01
so he told my Uncle to drop his name01:00:03
when asking to see the case files and01:00:06
that would ensure they didn't just tell01:00:07
him to get lost and so he calls01:00:10
Milwaukee PD ask them for the files and01:00:13
after making sure he's not just some01:00:15
crazy person the police department01:00:17
ensures they'll get back to him once01:00:19
they dug out the files a few days go by01:00:22
and he hears nothing back than a few01:00:24
days turns into a week and then two01:00:26
weeks and he's still not heard back from01:00:28
the PD about the case File in the end my01:00:32
uncle gets impatient and calls the01:00:34
department again to ask how the search01:00:35
for the files is going he manages to get01:00:38
the officer he spoke to first on the01:00:40
line and then after a minute or two of01:00:43
talking but not saying very much the01:00:45
officer puts him on hold and then goes01:00:47
to get his01:00:49
boss my uncle is wondering what the01:00:51
holdup is then some Milwaukee PD Captain01:00:54
picks up the phone and explains that01:00:55
they can't find the file that he's01:00:57
referring to this Captain then ask my01:01:00
Uncle if he's sure that he's in touch01:01:02
with the correct department and that01:01:04
he's happy to put him in touch with the01:01:05
right people if that's what the problem01:01:07
is my uncle then checks some of his01:01:09
notes and then replies that there's been01:01:12
no mistake and that the fil should most01:01:15
definitely have been with the PD and not01:01:17
some smaller Sheriff's Department in the01:01:19
surrounding01:01:20
counties the captain then says they'll01:01:22
check again and that they call him back01:01:25
in a few days time but again they seem01:01:28
to totally forget about finding the file01:01:30
and my uncle was forced to call for a01:01:32
third time over this one little case01:01:34
File that it should have been really01:01:36
easy to find and anyway that third time01:01:40
he gets told something pretty shocking01:01:43
the department had misplaced this01:01:45
unsolved murder case File meaning my01:01:48
uncle had no choice but to wait until01:01:50
they were found before he could see the01:01:52
case File in this one particular murder01:01:55
he had to go back to his boss tell him01:01:57
the cops had lost their case File and01:01:59
his boss relays this to the family in01:02:02
turn without their daughter's case File01:02:05
the company would have to start their01:02:06
own brand new investigation based on a01:02:09
murder that happened 30 plus years ago01:02:12
which if it isn't obvious could be01:02:14
either totally impossible or would cost01:02:17
the family tens of thousands of dollars01:02:19
in investigation fees as you can imagine01:02:22
the family were not happy that the cop01:02:24
had lost their kids case File and my01:02:26
uncle said that he was pretty sure they01:02:27
started legal proceedings against the01:02:29
department being a case of finder kids01:02:32
case File or will sue the pants off of01:02:35
you my uncle goes to work other cases01:02:38
then goes into full retirement a few01:02:40
years later then not long after that he01:02:44
reads a headline in the Green Bay01:02:45
Gazette that went something a little01:02:47
like this Milwaukee Police destroyed DNA01:02:50
murder evidence he told me that when he01:02:53
saw the headline line he thought to01:02:55
himself there's no way they destroyed01:02:57
evidence let alone Case Files but they01:03:00
had sometime in the '90s someone up the01:03:03
chain of command in the Milwaukee PD got01:03:05
the bright idea to destroy around 5001:03:07
evidence files because they needed more01:03:10
room for01:03:11
storage and here's a link to an article01:03:13
I found to save you some time and I'll01:03:16
pull some of the relevant quotes so you01:03:18
can see what I mean about their excuse01:03:20
being lack of storage so basically01:03:23
sometime in the mid 19 90s the Milwaukee01:03:26
PD ran out of space to store evidence01:03:28
files so they had to schedule a bunch01:03:30
for01:03:31
Destruction but then the only files that01:03:33
should have been marked for Destruction01:03:35
were files from solved cases not01:03:38
unsolved ones but then somehow a bunch01:03:41
of unsolved murder files got in there01:03:43
and were destroyed on accident and01:03:46
what's worse they had no idea which01:03:48
files have been destroyed or how many01:03:50
boxes since the Scandal broke in mid01:03:53
2018 everyone responsible for the01:03:56
destruction of the evidence had long01:03:57
since retired but the Milwaukee PD were01:04:00
in touch with all the families of the01:04:01
affected victims to offer their01:04:04
apologies but then this is where things01:04:06
start to get really shady first off01:04:09
their excuse for destroying files was01:04:11
that there was no more space but then a01:04:13
bunch of those cardboard storage boxes01:04:16
cost just a few dollars so why did they01:04:18
need to destroy files in the first place01:04:21
the Milwaukee PD didn't even bother to01:04:23
tell anyone that they were doing it01:04:25
either and when they gave that excuse of01:04:27
them not having enough room one guy said01:04:29
that he was flabbergasted by it and that01:04:32
it was something that always bothered01:04:33
him and it bothered my uncle too when he01:04:36
first heard about it I01:04:38
mean he'd had law enforcement experience01:04:41
remember and he knew that every01:04:43
Department destroyed old evidence files01:04:46
heck he'd done it a few times himself01:04:47
too but never without a careful process01:04:50
of selecting and reviewing the files01:04:52
that had been marked prior to their01:04:53
disposal osal the idea they might01:04:56
destroy evidence from a Cold Case when01:04:58
such cases would doubtlessly be reopened01:05:01
and reexamined was a very scary01:05:04
Prospect so the idea that the boys over01:05:07
in Milwaukee acted with such complete01:05:09
incompetence that they didn't even01:05:10
bother to check what they were doing it01:05:13
was unbelievable but in the truest sense01:05:15
of the word I also personally find it01:05:18
extremely suspicious that the Milwaukee01:05:20
PD just didn't seem interested in01:05:21
holding those responsible to account01:05:25
I understand all of the top brass from01:05:27
the time the files were destroyed would01:05:29
have all been in their 70s or 80s or01:05:31
whatever but still the department just01:05:34
Shrugged their shoulders like it was an01:05:36
honest mistake and to be perfectly Frank01:05:39
a whole lot of people myself included01:05:41
think there wasn't an honest damn thing01:05:43
about it they had to pick out those Case01:05:46
Files individually and they had to do it01:05:48
by hand it's not like they accidentally01:05:51
selected delete all or whatever like01:05:53
there there's a danger of doing when01:05:55
dealing with email inboxes and the like01:05:58
they had to pick out each one take a01:06:00
look at it and then toss it in the pile01:06:02
marked to be01:06:05
destroyed the way my uncle put it either01:06:07
they had guys working for them that were01:06:10
too dumb to be allowed outside or a01:06:12
bunch of corrupt police officers01:06:14
deliberately marking unsolved cases for01:06:17
Destruction I don't know if it makes me01:06:19
an eternal optimist or a rotten cynic01:06:22
but I just don't believe that there are01:06:23
people watching in around who are really01:06:25
that dumb and I really hate to sound01:06:27
like some kind of conspiracy theorist01:06:30
but I can't help but think that the01:06:31
unsolved murder files selected for01:06:33
Destruction had something in common or01:06:36
at least something about them that01:06:38
someone didn't want people to know about01:06:40
think about it DNA evidence becomes a01:06:43
thing then what do you know a whole01:06:46
bunch of Case Files go missing almost01:06:48
like someone didn't want their evidence01:06:50
being scrutinized by such a new novel01:06:52
but reliable Tech01:06:54
technique I thought it was kind of an01:06:56
odd answer at first after all my uncle01:06:59
had seen all kinds of crazy violent and01:07:01
horrible01:07:02
tragedies but after having some time to01:07:05
really Maul it over I think I agree with01:07:08
him the cops are supposed to protect us01:07:10
and I think for the vast majority of01:07:12
them that's exactly what they want to do01:07:14
when they wake up in the morning but the01:07:16
idea that there are cops out there who01:07:18
aren't just ineffective or incompetent01:07:21
but are actively covering up for01:07:23
dangerous and violent01:07:25
criminals that's just about the most01:07:27
terrifying thing I can01:07:34
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