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It’s not you and I who will analyze such00:00:01
psychoanalytic concepts as transference00:00:04
or transference and countertransference in00:00:09
psychotherapy, let’s start with transference.00:00:12
transference is a00:00:15
completely unconscious psychological phenomenon when a person00:00:17
from his past experience in00:00:20
some important and significant relationship for him00:00:22
transfers those feelings and emotions00:00:25
to another person in this case to the00:00:28
therapist and this useful thing is00:00:32
actually very desirable in00:00:35
therapy because it is with the help of00:00:37
this that we can most easily gain access to the00:00:41
patient’s experiences to his00:00:44
truly real emotions, my00:00:47
memories00:00:48
that were in his child-parent00:00:50
relationship and what’s interesting, pay00:00:55
attention if you look at your00:00:58
psychologist, you will see that he00:01:00
really reminds you of your parent in some way;00:01:02
moreover, I tell00:01:06
my patients very often, but look, you and I have the00:01:08
same nose shape, same eyes, and who do I00:01:11
remind you of, dad or mom?00:01:13
this projective mechanism of searching for00:01:16
your therapist, it never ceases to00:01:19
amaze me, this phenomenon is that00:01:20
we are indeed very often outwardly00:01:22
similar to patients, so they are looking for00:01:26
something related, something close, this is the00:01:29
sympathy00:01:31
or antipathy they experience when concluding when choosing a00:01:34
therapist, primarily with the help of00:01:36
this very transference these same00:01:38
projections are incredibly interesting and in00:01:42
therapy we certainly use this00:01:44
because I repeat once again this is00:01:47
access to the patient’s strong experience of what00:01:50
it might look like, for example, out of the00:01:53
blue the client00:01:56
begins to cry something like this00:02:00
special we did not touch on the question of00:02:03
what now something is happening to you, a person00:02:06
answers Veronica, it seems to me that I’m annoying you,00:02:10
although this is not true, she didn’t00:02:14
irritate me, and then we begin to00:02:17
look at what other situations does this00:02:19
happen that you feel like you’re00:02:22
annoying a person, we remember, we remember,00:02:25
we remember, and we00:02:27
reach the moment when there was an episode00:02:31
in which she irritated00:02:33
her mother very much and this is the soil from00:02:39
which we work until with which we00:02:42
work, or for example, what else00:02:46
is happening, what else is happening, the person00:02:53
experiences some kind of very strong trepidation00:02:56
in his relationship with me, it’s as if would be00:02:58
afraid of scaring me off, as if she had00:03:00
somehow done something wrong to me, but again, when00:03:03
asked what is happening to you now, the00:03:06
person says to me, it seems to me that you00:03:08
will tell me now, I will no longer cooperate with you00:03:10
because you are stupid, I do00:03:13
n’t want to see you anymore in their00:03:15
hearts and now it seems to be afraid of00:03:20
scaring me away like a bird of happiness, then we00:03:23
begin to figure out with her what other00:03:24
cases it seems to you that they00:03:27
will refuse you and then it turns out that00:03:29
in a relationship with one00:03:31
teacher with another teacher,00:03:33
that this happens with teachers00:03:36
who are cute and it always00:03:39
seems that they will refuse her in the end00:03:42
what we come to is, well, of course we00:03:44
come to her with her to the parental00:03:46
attitude to the child-parent00:03:48
relationship in which she00:03:50
suffered yes, such rejection from her00:03:53
mother when she was doing her homework00:03:55
mom I told her you’re stupid, you’re a fool, you’re00:03:57
stupid, no, you don’t understand anything, everything00:04:00
today is the same thing she sees in her00:04:03
teachers, so this is what concerns00:04:06
transference, it’s an incredible gift when this00:04:09
transference occurs because it00:04:12
can be worked out very efficiently,00:04:14
and now let’s look at00:04:16
this concept as a countertransference,00:04:20
let's say countertransference is considered00:04:23
in several such variants, the first is00:04:26
like empathy, counter transference relationships00:04:30
are my feelings as a therapist00:04:33
towards my patient, look,00:04:37
the first is empathy, this is when I just00:04:39
feel a person, I sympathize with him, I00:04:42
empathize with him, he cries, he cries, I00:04:45
cry together, I I identify with everything, I00:04:48
live some identity, remove00:04:50
this empathy, it is desirable in therapy,00:04:53
of course, the second point, yes, we have this00:04:57
complementary countertransference when a00:04:59
person gives some kind of reaction to00:05:05
you and you tell him about it, you feel it,00:05:08
tell him about it and this too an00:05:10
incredibly useful tool, for example, the00:05:14
patient is very aggressive before the client is00:05:16
very aggressive and attacks you, you00:05:19
say it out, you know I’m very00:05:21
worried now, I’m so scared,00:05:24
I have a feeling that it’s as if you’re00:05:26
attacking me, let’s00:05:28
see in what relationship00:05:30
this is happening to you also with whom does this00:05:32
happen because these are so-00:05:35
called complementary transferences,00:05:37
it most likely evokes complementary feelings in00:05:40
other people, too, and00:05:42
this is cool and can be clearly seen in00:05:44
group psychotherapy when the patient and00:05:48
others give feedback to one00:05:51
person and everyone tells him before you, you00:05:55
know So I’m afraid of you and in a00:05:58
circle everyone said the same00:06:00
phrase, that is, this is a somewhat00:06:02
adequate reaction to his00:06:05
behavior and very rarely anyone can agree with it. In00:06:10
therapy, most often00:06:13
you come across some00:06:14
psychological defenses when a person00:06:16
tries to justify himself not - no, no, this is not me,00:06:18
understanding, I have nothing to do with it,00:06:20
but then we’ll clarify, listen, but00:06:23
you came to solve your00:06:25
main issue, so that’s what we’re00:06:29
doing with you now, you have a00:06:31
chance to take it and watch it what00:06:35
it consists of and try to somehow00:06:37
change it or force it out don’t pay00:06:39
attention to continue to live the same way as you, it’s00:06:41
true, it’s true, let’s see00:06:44
in what other relationships people00:06:47
tell you that they are afraid of you, that they00:06:50
avoid this communication with you from why is00:06:53
this happening now, why are you00:06:55
doing this, why are you attacking me now, this00:06:57
is the second option and the00:07:01
third is the most00:07:03
classic countertransference, this is when I,00:07:05
as a therapist, transfer00:07:07
my feelings, my previously experienced emotions,00:07:12
to my patient, this indicates that00:07:16
this zone is a little undeveloped in00:07:19
me and the patient can cause me, for00:07:22
example, for no reason at all, some kind of wild00:07:25
irritation, some kind of furious anger, or00:07:29
cause in me such a completely00:07:32
pleasant feeling of love,00:07:34
sexual excitement of some kind, that00:07:36
is, a completely full gamut a00:07:38
person can evoke feelings in me than this00:07:41
will mean that this person00:07:43
reminds me of some emotions I previously experienced,00:07:46
reminds me of00:07:48
someone very close to me, perhaps my00:07:51
parent, and then00:07:53
this person causes me irritation, a desire to deal with him, a00:07:56
desire to how this is to take revenge on him,00:07:58
this is an attempt to take revenge on my00:08:01
own parent, and if I, as a00:08:03
therapist, do not track the feeling, I00:08:07
risk falling into such a terry00:08:10
countertransference and doing things and doing00:08:14
things, or I feel that I am jealous of00:08:17
my patient for his wife,00:08:20
which means completely unconsciously if00:08:22
I do not realize this I can make it so that he does00:08:25
n’t just divorce his wife, I00:08:27
will dig drop by drop and00:08:29
conduct therapy in such a direction that he00:08:32
will stop loving his wife altogether if00:08:36
I don’t keep track, I won’t00:08:37
track my00:08:39
nose contour or I feel that this is a patient00:08:42
very strongly reminds me of taking out my daughter00:08:44
and I feel I haven’t worked through the guilt00:08:47
in front of my child and then on this00:08:50
patient I’m trying to work off this guilt00:08:53
I’m not speaking in an overly affectionate00:08:55
voice I’m trying to give her as if some00:08:57
extra time I’m trying somehow00:09:00
to give her and more than some00:09:03
recommendations, here in payment to groom and00:09:05
cherish00:09:06
everything again I was dragged into countertransference00:09:09
or the patient evokes strong00:09:12
sympathy for me, I begin to be poor,00:09:14
then we again move into countertransference00:09:17
or friendship the patient reminds me of00:09:20
my friend but this is my friend and our00:09:23
therapy again goes into another00:09:25
plane, it is psychotherapy, it00:09:27
gradually moves into friendship,00:09:30
we begin to be friends with the patient and this00:09:33
all prevents us from achieving our goals00:09:36
correctly, yes, these are such interesting things, I’ll00:09:40
tell you, these are such useful things, this is just00:09:44
something and this something like this,00:09:53
what am I really saying all this for?00:10:08
countertransference when it seemed to him that, oh00:10:12
my God, he already has 60 years behind him and that includes00:10:16
40 years of psychotherapeutic00:10:19
work and he00:10:22
falls in love with his 20-year-old patient like a fool,00:10:25
begins to plot some kind of intrigues, is00:10:27
jealous of her, is offended by her, and is00:10:29
carried into this countertransference He does00:10:33
n’t admit until the last minute that it’s time for me to00:10:36
go to his own supervision, it’s time for the shooting gallery00:10:39
to rely on everything, everything, his dad is on fire00:10:43
without the last one, he tries to hold on and not00:10:46
admit it, but in the end, of course, he gives up,00:10:48
goes to his own therapy, that’s what a00:10:51
person should do,00:10:52
that’s what he should do and the psychotherapist is a00:10:54
psychologist who is faced with his00:10:57
own countertransference, himself with his00:10:59
own unresolved problem,00:11:03
unresolved problems are an incredibly00:11:06
interesting topic, which means what am I doing, what am00:11:09
I doing, in the course of a crowd of therapeutic00:11:12
work, I always track my own00:11:15
body, and as soon as I am dragged somewhere,00:11:18
I ask myself question so stop what00:11:21
is happening to me now what is this00:11:22
happening to me is it00:11:26
complementary countertransference where is this00:11:28
feeling adequate or is it some kind of00:11:32
my own writings this is from00:11:34
my past experience it has nothing to do00:11:37
with it it’s00:11:38
sometimes difficult to identify this you00:11:41
feel some kind of then irritation the patient00:11:43
annoys you or you00:11:45
are scared of the patient00:11:46
or or something else like that you ask00:11:50
yourself a question so what is this about what is this about what is00:11:51
this with me because the line is00:11:54
very thin and sometimes recognizing what is00:11:57
happening now is not always easy and00:11:59
therefore Therapy always involves00:12:01
tracking your own feelings and00:12:04
emotions, and we try to bring everything00:12:07
into the work itself, sharing our00:12:10
feelings, and this is a very00:12:12
useful experience, by the way, and in almost every00:12:14
work I use this important00:12:17
tool, I always share my feelings with the patient,00:12:19
I ask a question. now I’ll00:12:22
share my feelings, you know,00:12:24
I’m sitting now and I feel as00:12:26
if you had put a wall between us,00:12:29
it was just like00:12:31
complementary countertransference, I feel the00:12:34
wall00:12:35
somewhat more clearly,00:12:37
some are like a feeling that00:12:40
other people most likely feel too in00:12:42
communication with her, she says yes, indeed, so00:12:44
I have isolated myself not00:12:46
only from you but from so many other00:12:49
people, but for some reason you are doing this as if00:12:51
you are trying to avoid something,00:12:54
maybe yes, I am trying to avoid the00:12:57
more betrayal that is stuck in me00:13:01
heart knife and when was it tell me00:13:04
when they stuck your heart at night I carry00:13:07
hearts well it was natural00:13:11
it usually happens in childhood yes I remember00:13:13
some important earlier experiences I that’s00:13:17
all but in fact in a nutshell00:13:19
I told you what the concept is00:13:21
transference and countertransference00:13:24
and how important it is to use this therapy itself,00:13:27
how important this tool is, I kiss00:13:31
you all, I hug you and look forward to seeing you all, as always, at00:13:33
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Клинический психолог Вероника Степанова простыми и понятными словами объяснит феномен переноса и контрпереноса в психотерапии, что это такое и с чем это едят?! =)
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