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pharmadol forget about headache
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continues special company radio nv My
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name is Oleksiy Tarasov on Wednesday, January 11, the
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Russian Ministry of Defense announced the
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change of the commander of the Russian army in
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Ukraine, the place of Survikin in this general,
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Armageddon, as they called it, was taken by the
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Chief of the General Staff, Gerasimov. We have already
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seen him many times,
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Surovitin became as Gerasimov's deputy,
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other deputies have appointed such a
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Salyukov, there is also such an Oleksiy, it does
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n't matter who it is, it doesn't matter what the
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names are, and in the Russian
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Ministry of Defense, the reshuffle was explained by the
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increase in the level of leadership of a
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special military operation,
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we understand that the war against Ukraine is called a special military
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operation in the Russian Federation. About
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what
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this can mean And in general about such
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internal changes in Russia in the Kremlin,
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let's talk now with our next
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speaker, Volodymyr
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Fesenko, political scientist, Mr. Volodymyr Dobry,
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welcome to the broadcast. they
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drowned for Surovikin If
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you can say that, Prigozhin and Kadyrov
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Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, Prigozhin, the head of the
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so-called private military campaign,
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Wagner, the Wagnerites themselves turned
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to Gerasimov, and now Gerasimov leads the
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troops, how do you understand this situation?
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- and the military
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leadership of Russia returned, General
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Lapin, who was removed from all his
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previous positions in a scandal, just at the request of
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Kadyrov and Prigozhin, and here he was
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appointed to a high position for
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promotion, he became the head of the staff of the
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high-altitude forces of Russia,
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of course, Russia itself perceives this
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as a certain signal that they say that not
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Prigozhin in Kadyrov influence the
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personnel policy in the Russian army,
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they do not decide, they are not the main ones. I
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think it did not happen by chance, because
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judging by various data and sources,
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even those around Putin began to fear the
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parishioners. He has large military
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resources, he
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threatens specific people, and I, that there were
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many complaints to Putin personally, that they say that
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when everyone explodes, it is necessary to somehow
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put them in their place, it
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also remains for historians, but at the
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same time, he later demonstrated that he
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allegedly maintains trust in the military
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leadership, in particular, in Gerasimov, and
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thus there is a certain
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reduction in status surovikina, but
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it looks like a humiliation, a certain
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and a certain mistrust, there is no progress, that’s why
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such a demotion and at the same time for
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Gerasinov, well, it’s not a promotion. It’s
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more like, you know, such an electric
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chair, a new additional function, er,
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additional responsibility, who knows, maybe there
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will be the same problem somehow Surovikina
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will not be reprimanded later, some kind of demotion
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or some other problems, new attacks from
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not only Prigozhin, but for
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Gerasim, these are additional risks, but at the
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same time, it is obvious that if the head of the
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war against Ukraine is
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appointed directly by
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the day of the main military leader in Russia of the
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General Staff, this means that the rate is
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increasing. In fact, this is a course for total
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war, it is no longer an IED, not a special operation,
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because the head of the General Staff is not responsible
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for resource provision.
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the head of the general staff
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plus mobilization is again
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the responsibility of the mineral staff
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Russia needs to recruit new soldiers, new
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meat as they say for the war in Ukraine
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because the losses are great so that raising
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rates is the course for total war, but at the
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same time, Putin is nobody's business does not trust and
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demonstrates that everyone can suffer,
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everyone can be responsible for one or
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another failure, Putin's paranoia is
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intensifying and no longer works, and the
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classic system of Putin's hierarchy that
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existed before, Putin is constantly
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changing some generals for
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others, but the result was not there and is
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not Well, more than that, here it means
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researchers who collected all the different versions of
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why this could have happened in this eye, such
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changes, they quote such a political scientist,
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Abbas Galyamov, and in his opinion it is more
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like aimless use in search of a
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way out.
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he
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changed prime ministers, this is for our
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audience. the
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eternal war in Ukraine
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when he
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announced these illegal annexations of our
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regions and even more so wrote it
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into the Constitution, that is, every time when, well,
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let's imagine that something like that
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happened, they retreated somewhere, then
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every time Russia can now legitimately
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explain to its population why it
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returns with weapons on the territory of
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Ukraine because in the Constitution it is
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already Russia Kherson Zaporizhia Donetsk
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Luhansk Oblast Do you agree with
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this?
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Well, I think that the situation is
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more complicated here, the only thesis with which I
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agree
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with the opinion of my Russian colleague is one of
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former comrades who worked in the
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administration of the President of Russia. Well,
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then he left the opposition. Yes, he does
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n’t have new generals or victorious generals. He doesn’t have new Zhukovs. And
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who is he looking for? And who is the school of these
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generals limited plus the same
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Putin's paranoia, I think he does
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n't trust anyone now, because this guy really broke down
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and is already trying to
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interfere in personnel policy. Putin
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had to put him in his place, but even
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with everyone else, you have to have someone there to
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fight and lead the troops. Putin doesn't
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want to take on himself personally
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responsible He wants to be
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the only certain Let's say certain signals
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to lower the status of the adventure that
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they say he does not influence
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but everything
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in the Donbass What is it that he is the most
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effective and from the point of view of the logic of the
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Putin regime there can only be one and
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that is Putin himself but there is no way to win, but there are
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many defeats, but you should be responsible for the defeats,
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because then it will be
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the strengthening of another group, and he is
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trying to preserve only in an updated
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form some system of restraining the
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counterbalances
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that lay from him, so they rather
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dominate here, after all, this
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internal political logic is the
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logic of struggle to Putin's entourage, the
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logic of restraining individual groups
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so that no one is in a monopoly is strong,
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so that control remains only with Putin,
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but everything is the same.
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Gradually, the Putin
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regime begins to crumble, particularly in the
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situation with the military leadership, but
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we still understand that Putin is leaving
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behind such an image without an alternative
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candidate. They will have elections in the 24th year,
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and there have already been reports that the
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Kremlin is preparing for these elections.
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Of course, I don't know what the difference is,
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how they will pass. Of course,
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Putin will win, but this
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unalternative candidate works
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not only inside Russia, not only on the
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elites, so Russian on the Kremlin
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elite, and also outside.
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What do you think, is it really ours? Western
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partners perceive Putin in this way. Well,
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there is no one to replace him, so only
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he can keep this balance, so now
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we have seen the representative of this handsome man. I am
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sure that he
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also scared Europeans with his sledgehammers,
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mercenaries, convicts, and so on. So what do you
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think, whether Europe and America also
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perceives Putin as without an alternative
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candidate,
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well, unfortunately, some people perceive it as such, and this
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is evident from some publications, from some
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statements or predictive assessments, not only by
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individual political or
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military analysts, but also by some
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high-ranking officials of Western countries,
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the opinion that one way or another it will be necessary to
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negotiate precisely with
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and it is better there with Putin than with Prigozhin, yes,
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there is such an opinion, and some
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observers, for example, believe that the fluctuations of the
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sixth chancellor in Germany or not is not just a
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tribute to the traditional
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specificity of the German social democrats.
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Well, there are also certain connections relations with
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Russia, but there is also the opinion that
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everything will have to be negotiated with
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Putin, so let's not escalate
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this war. So, unfortunately, such an opinion
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exists, but compared to
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last year, especially in the first months of
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the war, there are more and more Western politicians
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Now they understand that a decisive victory is needed, a
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victory not only for the military sense of
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Russia on the fields of Ukraine, the liberation of all
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occupied Ukrainian territories,
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such a victory is needed that would cause
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such
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cardinal tectonic upheavals in Russian
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politics that could eliminate the
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Putin regime itself, or for this a
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really decisive decisive victory over
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Putin's Russia, precisely in Ukraine in the
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current war, so that this opinion is
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more and more supporters of the
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Dnipro's portulism. I would say that
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some kind of doom in front of Putin, it is
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inertial, still exists.
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in favor of Putin.
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But all the same, this once again shows that
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the problem is
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not only in the appeasement, but in the
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aggressive nature of Putin's
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regime itself, so we really need
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all the
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expository systems of Russia. In
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Russia, a very clear example is
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exactly what is happening now in Soledar,
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so in the Donetsk region we remember that
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there is a constant long-term assault.
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Now, according to the reports we
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have, unfortunately, most of Soledar was
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captured by the occupiers. So they occupied
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most of it. of this city and we saw
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how it was communicated by the Russians
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precisely in their media space, and
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Prigozhin himself constantly said that
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only the units of this Wagner of mine should listen there,
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that we have already captured everything
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there, surrounded it and so on And so on and so
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then the Ministry of Defense of Russia
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denied this, saying that the city was not
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captured, and we see that, in the
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end, it all ended with the fact that
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in general, the changes of Surovikin, then you
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said that Prigozhyn is needed by
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Putin and his mercenaries, they are needed for
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this war, so this Russian aggression But
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what do you think? And what will happen next with the
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handsome Well, now that he, I'm sorry,
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was left out live in the
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Russian media
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we can, I would, you know, Zombie warriors.
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only meat in this
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war is needed in this function,
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but the problem is that it got out of
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control and that is why it was necessary to
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demonstrate now that no,
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Putin leaves everything under control, that it is not
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beautiful, he decides everything. So this
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was a really demonstrative action in order to
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appease Putin's entourage and the
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Russian elites, but a very
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revealing trend has already taken place, a fashion has actually emerged
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in Russia, and even not only in Russia,
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even in Belarus, private military companies have already been created in these
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same pvk. And
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here it seems to me that a company is being created
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not only and not only for
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the war in Ukraine, because there is also a personnel
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army, and they are creating for the future so
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that every influential figure in Russia
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has his own military resource, his
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own army, so that not only handsome men, not
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Kadyrov, have their own armies, well, there is also Putin's
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fsu.
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So, in particular, and They say
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that the leaders of Russian state
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corporations are already creating their own private military companies. Lukashenka is
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creating them for himself.
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And this means that they are preparing for the future
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struggle for power. They
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will have their own military resources and
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insure themselves.
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in the end, they will become nins under
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Russia itself, now they are fighting in Ukraine and
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against Ukraine, and then they will fight among
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themselves in Russia itself, this is simply an inevitable
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trend, because this is what they are being
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created for now. Well, they
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claim here that it is allegedly in order to
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kill Ukrainians but we understand how
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they can be used further. I
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want to discuss one topic with you that is so
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interesting. I think we remember
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that the so-called yurts of invincibility were opened in Buchi and in Kyiv, they
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did it on the
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initiative of Kazakh businessmen,
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but we saw such a crazy reaction on
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the part of the Russians, the crazy reaction on the part of the
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Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, this is their spokeswoman, or as
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the press calls her, a drunkard, Maria
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Zakharova. She said a lot about
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Kazakhstan, it seems that the ambassador of Kazakhstan in
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Russia was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, how do you understand
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this situation, why are they reacting so aggressively
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even just to
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you know the word yurt here, the main important thing is that
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Kazakhstan, which is also a member of the so-called
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Jewish Union, as well as other
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post-Soviet organizations led by Russia, and the
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measures do not hide their sympathy for Ukraine, this is
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not some kind of
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reaction to threats from Russia
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before, as far as I know just from
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my own communication, I
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have been to Kazakhstan several times at a conference, and
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outside of Kazakhstan, in particular, and in
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Ukraine, I talked with representatives of
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this country, and they have fears that
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Russia may eventually go after them, well,
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they don't even hide Nikons there
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and the
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current head of the State Duma, Volodina, well, they
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openly talk about claims to
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Northern Kazakhstan, just as they
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say in Ukraine that these are Russian lands,
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they say the same thing, like Kazakhstan, and they do
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n't care if an ally is not an ally there, that's why they
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understand in Kazakhstan, they can't
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talk about it openly But they understand that
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Ukraine is now fighting not only for
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its own future, not only for its own
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sovereignty,
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it protects not only Europe and democracy, it also protects
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some Soviet countries from possible
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Russian aggression, this is the main thing, and in Russia they
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also began to understand this, and they are
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used to it that everyone
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post-Soviet countries, you
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can say that the book is doing what is
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needed, and they are not doing it, they are
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demonstrating their independence from the president
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Kaif has demonstrated this several times.
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begins
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to pour down not only inside Russia,
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it is even more noticeable in the post-Soviet
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space, and
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in the end it causes hysteria in
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the sugar industry, not only because they
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cannot restrain this trend in any way, but
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definitely
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It causes negative emotions in them, but
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it is an objective trend They do
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not like I like
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it, Putin liked to say I like it, I don't
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like it, but now it concerns Russia itself,
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and I want to talk a little about
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Kazakhstan. Well, a few days
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ago, we had a diplomat, the former head of the
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Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavlo Klimkin, on the air, and we
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also discussed Kazakhstan and its
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position, that is, from one On the one hand, we supposedly
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have the support of civil
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society, a citizen of Kazakhstan, on the
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other hand, Kasym Zhumard Tokayev has already been re
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-elected as the president of Kazakhstan.
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First of all, what is he doing? He flies to Putin. On the
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one hand, Kazakhstan provides there.
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Ukrainian hospitals, and on the other hand, Tokariv
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accepts from Putin, that is, from Putin, who
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himself bombs Ukraine, yes, that is, he
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destroys our infrastructure, accepts some
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rings. And then Mr. Klimkin told us that,
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in his opinion, Kazakhstan is still not a
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jackal of Russia. He used
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a metaphor here, you know Mowgli. How are you? do you think
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Kazakhstan can still
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move away from Russia or is it possible Well,
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taking into account all the circumstances there, taking into account
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such a large, large common border, the
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dependence of the economy and so on,
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and I think that What is the objective
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interest in Kazakhstan, I see from past
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visits Kazakhstan and had discussions
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with these colleagues even before the 14th of the year and until
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February 24. Last year, I generally clearly
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realized that they, first of all, even within the
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framework of European integration, and I will remind you that
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one of the fathers of this integration was the
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former president of Kazakhstan, Nazarba,
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who was such the ideologist of the Eurasian
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Eurasian and Eurasian integration,
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but the Kazakhs really did not want political
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integration, and then when
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this Eurasian Union was created, they realized that,
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unlike Russia, Belarus, they did not gain anything
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from economic integration with
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Russia. Now,
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how about this Russia
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plus a large economic and
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military-political Dependence on Russia
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was considered about a common border, yes, this is
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also a problem and a challenge.
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I think that
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they will really
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bother Ukraine to some extent because Ukraine
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has gained military experience and
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prepared its army, which proved to be
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able to
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stop the Russian invasion of
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Kazakhstan it still needs to be done, and they
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should carefully step by step
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distance themselves from Russia, but so that
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everything is not noticeable, so that it does not cause
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conflicts, some kind of aggressive reaction on the
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part of Russia, it is purely like this. I would
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say that
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Asian tactics and they have no other
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exit, but the trend is already visible, so
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I think it is only a matter of time, and if it
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continues to accelerate in Ukraine,
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then
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all the pace of distancing Kazakhstan and
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other CIS countries from Russia will accelerate,
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Vladimir Thank you very much for this conversation
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Thank you for your analysis Volodymyr
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Fesenko a political scientist was in touch with us,
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