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Good evening, another contraption program is on the air

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Today we will have here a

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thematic Mat that anyone who already knows me knows

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is quite precious mathematics we will

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be talking about Literature and our theme

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is path of literature young people read and

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to mediate this conversation we're going to

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call Celinha here to the studio, please,

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can you put our dear

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Celinha Celinha when I appear in the

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vignette that

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appears, you once again, it's a

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delight to have you here once again to

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this conversation when we built

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this program there was no other person to

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think about, you know, who could be

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mediating it other than you Celinha, who for

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me is a tremendous

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inspiration, so I just want to say

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welcome to this program and leave

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in your hands, okay, let's go, let's go,

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good evening, people. Well, me too, when I

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saw the vignette, I said, look, I

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've been there a few times, right? It's talking about

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literature. It's always good, we've already talked

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about Literature and human rights,

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Literature and periphery of Literature and

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censorship Literature and prison we already had

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a very beautiful program about reading

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in prisons, in short, it's really good, we're talking

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about literature once again and always and

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always and today we have this

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cool theme, right, it's about youth, so

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we put Youth In this conversation it's going to

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be really good, we have three

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very special guests, I'm also going to

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read each one's Bill, a mini mini Bill,

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because we work a lot,

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do a lot of things, and fight all day, just a

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little while in the studio we

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were talking with Bruninho, one of them, I

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'm

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tired because that's how we

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work all day and do a lot of things,

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so I'm going to read here briefly, you know,

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each one's story And then I don't know if

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they're going to appear here on the screen or not,

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but Anyway, so we're going to have Bel

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Santos, I think many of you who

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follow us know Bel, she's a

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well-known figure, she's always around.

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Good evening, Bel, and I tell you that Bel is a

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social educator, coordinator of the

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Brazilian Institute of Studies and

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community support I beac co-manager of the

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Sampa literary network, trainer of young

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reading mediators, she was a postgraduate teacher

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on an incredible course, which was previously

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unheard of in São Paulo, which was literature

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for children and young people, Vera, perhaps

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later Bel will tell me a little more, but

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it was a very innovative, she has a master's degree

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in tourism, a degree in mathematics,

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in fact I love Bel's combination of

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tourism with mathematics, I think it's great

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and she has a specialization in social pedagogy,

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she was the curator of the 11th edition of the São

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Paulo Literature award and was also on the

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curatorial board of two jabuti awards

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number 63 And 64 is that 63rd is so

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difficult to say, right, so it's easier to

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say 63 64 and it's also from the

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curator board of the Municipal Theater Look,

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folks, and among the many awards that

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Bel collects, there's the reading portrait

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of Brazil state of São Paulo for the

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Arts apca diffusion of

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Brazilian literature and the 2021 inspirational person award

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all this is Bel and much more,

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welcome Bel good evening Celinha good

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evening to everyone who will

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accompany us here, it's a joy to

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meet you again, right? We should do

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an exchange of mini BS like this, right?

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In so many special moments in

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literature spaces that it's a great conversation,

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thank you, thank you, and

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after Bel I'm going to call k a k,

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I don't know her, I've never been with her

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so it's a great pleasure here for For the

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first time, K made a point of writing

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here at minib that she is 28 years old, she is

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our youngest here, right? She is a

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social educator with a degree in pedagogy from Feduc, a

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resident of the Far South of the city of São

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Paulo, Grajaú, she is a reading mediator at the

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community library Community,

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sorry paths of Reading linked to

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IB, which I already mentioned in Bi da Abel,

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she has been active for 13 years in promoting

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human rights in

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community roots and strengthening

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education as part of the

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encrespados collective, and she will certainly

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tell us what this

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social organization is led by young

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black educators dedicated to promoting

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anti-racist education in the

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school environment, very welcome, katherin, good

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evening to

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you, good evening Celinha, Thank you very much

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for the presentation, it's a pleasure to be here

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with great people and

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wonderful people and to know a little

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more about your work, it's It's an honor to

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be here, mediating this conversation,

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thank you very much and to everyone,

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thank you very much for listening and you're

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here, right?

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welcome Bruninho who is

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Bruno Souza Araújo but he likes to be

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called Bruninho also little girl

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here aged 28 he also works in the

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social area for 10 years pedagogue also has

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training in Human Rights from Ibac and is

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also part of the network of young

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transformers for democracy da a

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choco works with young people to

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promote a feeling of protagonism and

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leadership and is a co-founder of the same

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collective as katherin o encrespados who

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already wants to know what it is that works in

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training with teachers and

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young people to disseminate

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anti-racist education in the Community library

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paths of Reading where it operates aims to

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promote access to

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literary Reading through actions that encourage

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the critical formation of readers

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using different forms of

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social and cultural languages I didn't say people that

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the bio is extensive these people work

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very hard good evening

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Bruninho Good evening Guys, what an honor and

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happiness to be here with you, I'm

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excited for this conversation, I'm sure it's

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going to be a moment of many exchanges,

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lots of connections, a kiss also to

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everyone who's there in the chat, already saying

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good night and prepare The Dedinhos to

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ask questions and interact a lot with

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us, I'm very honored to be here

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with you,

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very good people, cool, welcome,

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so,

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well, anyone who's been with us knows

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that this is always a good conversation, right,

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we're very open here to our

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guests' speeches. talk about you

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participating in the chat, anyway, the idea is for it

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to be a good conversation, so we

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really want to know what crespados is, how

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the litera Sampa is, how the

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southern outskirts are, anyway, we want to hear

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from them, how It's the life of

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militancy, I'm going to start with a

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question that I'm going to ask the same question

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to all three of them.

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of four themes that have appeared

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in our literary life in the last month or

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a little more than a month, right?

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one one

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one one caught, right, one, a provocation,

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finally, four, four events

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that we had in our literary life in

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the last few months, right, I'm going to start with

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the three bad ones and end with the good one, right, what

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we call a bad event so

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first the censorship of the book by Jeferson

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tenor averse da Pele, which was quite

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controversial, then some secretaries of

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state, right, uh, doing censorship, then

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backtracking, but in the end, it's a

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big question And then again, what is

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censorship, what is freedom? of

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expression What should we read and

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can we read anyway, but this very

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serious censorship of Jeferson tenor's book and

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more recently Juliana Maciel who is the

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mayor of Canoinhas in Santa Catarina

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She recently appeared throwing books

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in the trash saying that it was offensive to the

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family the moral is that those were not

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books that teenagers should read

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and they throw everything in the trash, one a very

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heavy, ugly scene, finally, another scene, another, the

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other difficult and hard event, our

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Governor here in São Paulo, Tarcísio,

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made it say that some classes in the

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state network, not all classes, but some

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classes will be taken through the ch

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GPT application, right, so saying that the application

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would be a better lesson preparer than the

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teachers themselves, so, on the one

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hand, we have these three very

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sad events, right, and the good event right, I mean,

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it was an event that also started very

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hard for all of us, which was the attack on

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poet writer Roseana Murray, right,

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attacked by three pitbulls, I think it

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was also in the news, it was fantastic, a lot of

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people talking about what was incredible about this

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story was the way it came together

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reestablished the strength with which she left the

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hospital and in one of her first texts

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she says that what also helped

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her to come out of the coma, not from

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that whole trauma, was the strength

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of the word, right, so in the first text

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that she publishes in the internet she will

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say about the Office of love of writing the

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word of the writers, right, that it is with this

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strength that she would resume her life and so on,

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anyway, I went a little further but that is it, on the one

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hand, three very

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hard events, right, the three converging on the

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issue of the book of reading the power of the

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word in opposition, right, a writer who

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brings us so powerfully the power

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of the word, the power of the written word, right,

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so much so that a campaign was started L as

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a poet So I would like you to

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start this warm-up by commenting on these

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four events building a bridge,

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finally, the third comment on this,

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of course yes, so I'll go there, I think

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I'm the oldest here in this group,

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there's the youngest and there's the oldest and

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thank you for bringing these

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very

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important facts, I think the We've never

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talked so much about books, readings,

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authors, libraries, as we did at that time,

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Celinha, I think that's an

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interesting thing, the three of us here, Me

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Bruninho and Klin, created in 2010 a

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library inside a cemetery

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talking about life in a place of death and in In

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2010, there were already a lot of people thinking that

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books would no longer have a place in

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people's lives, no one reads younger, they don't read,

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now everyone is on their cell phones and we

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dared to create a library in a place of

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death and maybe, right, everything worked out

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because it existed a distraction about this

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place of Reading books Burned books

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thrown away no one who does this

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is not inaugurating anything in history So the

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books the readers have been persecuted

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on many occasions by

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authoritarian governments but we spent time, you know,

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in democracies or pseudo democracies

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where got distracted thinking it gets rid of the

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nonsense but I think that's what you bring, you know,

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the good news from Rosiana Mon of this

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strength that the word has more people have

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understood that when we take control

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of the word, right Conceição evarista

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Evaristo says when I bite the word

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for Please, I don't

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care if the book is something that

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we need to slowly chew on the

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word until we find ours.

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This is a

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gigantic force and what we have seen

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in that time, right?

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mayor, now that she throws the

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books, this comes from people who haven't

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read what they are criticizing,

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right, the movement that was generated from

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this return, right, from Avesso da

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pele, made it one of the

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best-selling books in the country because it

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also it generated a whole movement of

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people reading the book and saying, look, this is what they

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're saying is

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inappropriate, this is what they're talking about,

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so I think so, I think so, I understand

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that this movement of attacking the culture

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of attacking books is part of of a

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movement an attempt to

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disqualify

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readers from writers and people who

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have realized that now that we have created

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our first libraries in

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our homes we are children of mothers

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who did not have moments of books we

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have How many times have we

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met doctoral students

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with master's degrees in their moments, right,

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defending their dissertations and

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their doctorates,

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thanking the soup for the support, the lap at the house

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that their mothers gave, even though they are not

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readers, these children are inaugurating

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another place and it is the culture that

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provided this, this has given rise to hatred in

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some people who liked things

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as they were so all these

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reactions I read how we are on the

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right path these reactions are because

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we chose to bite the bullet

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find our words spread the

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books and we have to continue

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there right there

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how beautiful It's beautiful to bite the word

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too much, right, to chew it, it's

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delicious, you want to continue, Bruninho, I

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might have suggested it be the last one, but

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it put me in the circle, let's go, we,

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I think it's always very incredible and

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exciting, you know, to hear Abel talking, right,

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because we remember

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memories and memories of how we

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started this project, right And this process

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in the path of reading, right, I think

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there is this place that goes

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beyond being a story, right, a testimony, right,

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of those who experienced it, of those who

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experienced it, and how the books have

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occupied such an important space, right, and

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so relevant in our lives, right, like

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finding a Community library, right,

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Reading paths inside a cemetery,

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right in this process when I was

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finishing high school, it transformed

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my life and I really agree with what

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Bel brings, right? very common, for

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example, at school, you know, from a

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very poor family here in the Far

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South of São Paulo, right, J de Ângela,

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we almost never had access to books,

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right, and the textbooks that

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we had access to at school, school, right,

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when it told about historical periods, it

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always told from a narrative

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of the winners, right, no one told about

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the oppressed, those who lost, those who

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suffered, so for example, reading me and

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reading the inside of Jeferson Tenório's skin,

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Pedro's story went beyond seeing myself

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in the story was seeing my friends, my

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colleagues, the possibilities, also seeing a

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story that has a lot of conflicts, a lot of

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obstacles, a lot of violence,

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too, you know, from the everyday world of the

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real world, but you also see in the details the

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possibilities of the beautiful, right? There's a

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very beautiful section right away at the beginning, right,

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of the book, which is in a memory, right, Pedro

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is remembering his mother who says that

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she sees the sea as medicine and that

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echoed so much inside me, it still echoes

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like nothing else in a book, despite the hardships of

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life, despite the obstacles, despite the

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scarcity, right? materials we can

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find ways to draw other

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stories and other possibilities,

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especially collective stories and possibilities

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because not just a story

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about me is a story about people who are

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similar to me but also people

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who are different, right?

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It's different,

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so I really agree with Bel, right? I

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think it is. We're on the

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right path in my adolescence. I remember

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my father said, look, you're going to be

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late, take your ID, and today we've

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seen young people and teenagers, in addition to

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hanging out with their children. rgs in the wallet so They

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are carrying books, you know, books

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are taking up space in their backpacks

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in their memories and in their trajectories

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So this object is a very

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dangerous object for people who want to

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maintain the status quo and we have

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invested a lot in this place of metaphor

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of young people's dreams of building

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their own narratives, finding their

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own words to describe their

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own stories, but

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also building collective stories of

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transformation. I think stopping here for a

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bit and then seeing Kathlein, then

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you'll get into the other questions

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you brought up that I don't even remember

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anymore, thank you Bruninho So you're

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super grateful,

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it's always very difficult to talk after

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Bel and Bruninho, I'm going to apologize

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to anyone who listens to me because I'm a

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little hoarse but I hope you

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can hear me

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perfectly It's always good to listen

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Bruninho Bel because there is always a

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connection between what we actually

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experience together that we share

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together and in fact literary work is a

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collective work, it is not alone, right, and PR

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Rosiana, I am sure that she only

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managed to have this place of breath

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of life this place of hope because

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she found not only in literature

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but people around her who

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also believed in her improvement and my process

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within literature It was like this people

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who believed that young people,

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teenagers and children have freedom,

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the right to access Literature and this

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access is an access that makes us

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immerse ourselves that makes us find

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this medicine and as was already said in the chat,

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you know, Rosiana gave this

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breath because she understands that

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diving into literature is important and

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I I usually say that my

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transformation process with literature was

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possible because it overflows me, it

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makes me who I am from the place

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that it also transforms me, it gave me

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the identity I have today, it was

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through literature that I recognized myself

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as woman black woman woman from the

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Periphery a woman who knows now and

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who can raise her voice with courage

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because literature gave me that because

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it was always said that my voice

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could not be thrown to the wind that

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my word could not be

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written on paper because all the time is

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limited for us who come from the Periphery,

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this is a place of self-confidence, the

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Courage of empowerment and of saying who

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you are and where you are from and when we

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have the courage to go out into the world, write

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this too And then There are other people who

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join us, like there are

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people here in the chat, agreeing with everything

00:22:37

we are saying but also bringing

00:22:39

other references. This means that

00:22:42

we are not in the right place, but it is in

00:22:44

fact the right place, which also bothers you, right, and, and

00:22:47

Conceição bringing a

00:22:50

little bit that Bel brought from this

00:22:51

writer who has also shown us

00:22:54

that it is not too late for us to access some

00:22:57

places, some powers and what

00:23:00

these negative messages show us,

00:23:04

these fake news messages, right, I

00:23:06

went into a little more depth about this

00:23:09

councilor who throws the book First she

00:23:12

says that she would never throw a book

00:23:14

super contradictory because then she throws

00:23:16

one book, two books, if I'm not mistaken,

00:23:18

in the trash So, this contradiction from

00:23:20

someone who probably can't

00:23:22

even research what she's

00:23:25

judging because in reality she just

00:23:28

deposited there, as we already know, a lot of

00:23:31

fake news about a work that

00:23:34

was actually hers because the place where she says

00:23:37

that the federal government was responsible

00:23:39

for sending that collection

00:23:42

was actually from a private initiative,

00:23:45

it was from a private company in which no

00:23:47

longer has control over this project in the

00:23:49

library world and is now in the power of the

00:23:52

city hall, so how much the

00:23:55

issue of fake news is a milestone

00:23:58

within the issue of Democracy, right?

00:24:04

misinformation and literature are dangerous for us, it

00:24:08

also helps us in this place of

00:24:10

critical sense of trying not to fall for bad

00:24:13

information or in that place where everything

00:24:16

that is stated is true and if the person who

00:24:19

judges their own work has failed to

00:24:21

recognize that it is also there's a finger there

00:24:23

because in fact it's not doing a

00:24:25

job with excellence like the periphery

00:24:27

does like the community libraries do

00:24:30

like the book also gives us this support

00:24:32

this support to understand that

00:24:34

we need to go

00:24:36

deeper, it's something we know how to

00:24:39

do a lot well and this place of

00:24:41

self-esteem of knowing how to do Knowing how to

00:24:43

find yourself and knowing that you are on the

00:24:46

right path is a place that bothers me

00:24:49

a lot and will unfortunately continue to

00:24:51

bother me and as much as it seems to be

00:24:54

a hope of mine that I have that

00:24:57

sometimes some people with around me

00:24:59

say wow but you are so poetic I saw

00:25:00

that someone sent here queer which is all

00:25:02

poetry

00:25:03

and in fact I am that person because it was

00:25:06

literature that showed me that it is

00:25:08

possible because it was already given that for

00:25:11

my family we would not have the place

00:25:13

of access to study that we

00:25:15

would not have the place of leisure culture and

00:25:19

today I am one

00:25:21

of the young people in my family who went to

00:25:24

university, so many others came soon

00:25:27

after, it is to be proud and to be

00:25:29

hopeful because whoever taught me this

00:25:31

was Literature and in fact I think

00:25:34

I even leave a message for these

00:25:36

people who keep doing a lot of

00:25:39

stupid things because I think it's stupidity

00:25:41

that is chosen and they choose to produce

00:25:44

so many negative things, which is to talk more

00:25:48

with young people, talk more with the people

00:25:50

who are inside libraries

00:25:51

Mainly

00:25:53

community libraries because we have changed

00:25:55

this trajectory this story and thinking

00:25:58

a lot not only alone we have

00:26:00

also listened to our elders I

00:26:03

think you see rosean muray in the place I

00:26:08

saw the report I followed it a little

00:26:10

see the o shine in her eyes because she

00:26:13

believed that she could indeed get out of

00:26:15

a situation of violence, also in the

00:26:18

place where she could find breath

00:26:20

in life, this is very important,

00:26:22

we find this a lot in literature,

00:26:24

poetry is also the place of Calanto of

00:26:27

welcoming and not only poetry Abel

00:26:30

always brings, right, to his meetings and

00:26:33

teaches us how much

00:26:34

literature is a place in the lap of the house and

00:26:37

the quilombamento because it is this place

00:26:39

that we identify in literature, it

00:26:41

is collective and it is changing and

00:26:44

modifying a lot of our realities

00:26:47

for a little bit

00:26:49

here, cool people, that's cool, well, you

00:26:54

're following us in the chat here, I think that

00:26:56

not only several mentions of Roseana, which I

00:26:59

think everyone was very grateful to

00:27:02

her for her existence, but to you

00:27:05

in the Youth, right, a lot of people writing

00:27:08

that It's good to hear from the youth who trust the

00:27:10

Alfredina guys, young people who

00:27:13

make us hope. So I think that and and and

00:27:18

Renata just asked a question, right?

00:27:27

Keep it, folks, I'm here with the

00:27:30

São Paulo newspaper on October 20,

00:27:33

2021. Do you remember Bel, who was on the

00:27:36

cover of the newspaper that

00:27:38

day,

00:27:41

you were the cover of the newspaper, was it the

00:27:45

day the Library was closed or was it

00:27:48

an attempt to close, right Why did

00:27:51

I rescue this today at Gering and I

00:27:54

kept this cover with great affection

00:27:56

Because for me it was like this again, right,

00:27:58

this on the sad side, the happy side, right, the

00:28:04

news is that the library is evicted from the

00:28:07

cemetery in Parelheiros in São Paulo

00:28:10

to make room to new tombs,

00:28:13

Educator Rafaela Nunes is still there Bel

00:28:16

Yes, Rafa She has just started her

00:28:21

master's degree, she was here on the cover of

00:28:23

that day's page, Educator Rafaela Nunes 23

00:28:27

who, together with other residents of the region,

00:28:30

became the guardian of the books in the

00:28:33

Community library, paths of reading and then

00:28:35

in everyday life there's an almost

00:28:38

full-page article with Rafaela with

00:28:41

you, anyway, guys, I'm sorry to show it like

00:28:44

this, right, I could make a

00:28:46

PowerPoint but I'm not like that,

00:28:49

I'm here with the matter in hand, right?

00:28:52

Eh, but anyway, That day had to

00:28:55

be sad, right, because look at what they

00:28:57

said, they're going to have to close the library

00:28:59

to put tombs, we were in the

00:29:01

pandemic, right? So there was all that

00:29:03

movement, on the other hand, I thought, people,

00:29:05

a whole page talking about that, right?

00:29:08

So that's what the Bel told us in the

00:29:10

first question that there has never been so much talk about

00:29:12

literature, right about reading, maybe

00:29:15

because it was never needed so much?

00:29:26

I kept it with great care all these

00:29:28

years, here I keep everything that comes out of

00:29:31

literature, but also because I wanted to

00:29:33

build a bridge,

00:29:35

and because the library wasn't closed,

00:29:37

you're going to tell us, right, what happened,

00:29:40

but I wanted to ask another

00:29:43

bridge question that you in na na na in the three

00:29:48

considerations you made, the

00:29:50

word school didn't appear, maybe

00:29:53

because we're not at school,

00:29:54

you're not in the classroom, right? But

00:29:56

there's always a lot of teacher S here with

00:29:58

us, right, today I see here's Lu and

00:30:00

Lucinete alfredina is here, right?

00:30:06

Eh, and we know that there is a difference, right?

00:30:09

from the school library, from the

00:30:12

NGO library, from the street library, Lucinete

00:30:16

is here with us, she is a posl

00:30:18

teacher, reading room advisor, she

00:30:19

has been taking the strings to school,

00:30:22

but anyway,

00:30:24

there's a question, right? There are some

00:30:27

differences, how are the books

00:30:29

purchased? How are the books

00:30:31

accessed? I would like you to

00:30:32

comment a little on this. The boys,

00:30:35

if possible, tell us

00:30:38

if they were touched by the school. Look, what a

00:30:40

question. You don't do that from a teacher, right?

00:30:42

We have to say yes

00:30:45

all the time, but I wanted to hear that

00:30:47

difference a little bit, right? And then I could

00:30:49

add it to this story about the library

00:30:52

here in Parelheiros, this beautiful story

00:30:55

here could be. that

00:30:58

I gave one It was clear, it was Bel, yes,

00:31:02

it was, so it's good Oh, so maybe I

00:31:05

can tell my story with school

00:31:07

and then Bel amends it with the paths and

00:31:11

we change like this, eh, how you

00:31:15

introduced us, right, Me and Kathlyn are

00:31:17

pedagogues of Training, right, so even if

00:31:20

we haven't spoken, right, in our

00:31:23

inner speech, school is part of

00:31:25

our DNA, as well, right, it's within

00:31:28

our trajectory of our paths,

00:31:32

right, and I think that school is a space, a

00:31:35

fundamental piece of equipment when we

00:31:37

think about the Constitution of the country and

00:31:39

society, it is not possible to think about the future, it

00:31:43

is not possible to think about democracy, it is not

00:31:46

possible to think about possible paths if

00:31:48

we do not pass the debate on education

00:31:51

and especially on quality public education

00:31:53

if I ask

00:31:56

people here who are in our ears or

00:31:58

for us who are here sharing

00:32:00

this circle Oh tell me four

00:32:03

important and happy memories from your story

00:32:07

I'm sure one will pass through the

00:32:10

School that first little boyfriend

00:32:13

little girlfriend that little group And if I if

00:32:16

I Re-ask the question oh tell me four

00:32:18

moments in your career that were

00:32:20

painfully traumatic, I am

00:32:23

also sure that one of these moments will be

00:32:25

at school, the first contact with

00:32:28

racism and gender prejudice,

00:32:32

so school is this place that

00:32:35

marks us so deeply that it is there that

00:32:38

we need to build solutions

00:32:41

collective and concrete actions for the future that

00:32:44

we desire as a nation as a

00:32:46

country, so I am a great defender of

00:32:49

schools and especially of quality public education.

00:33:01

in the second year of high school at the

00:33:03

end of the second year of high school

00:33:05

then I realized I was a very

00:33:07

intimidated boy, you know, F sat close to the

00:33:11

teacher like this, in the middle of the room and

00:33:12

so on, he almost never raised his hand to

00:33:14

ask a question until one day I knew the

00:33:16

answer I took it and raised my hand he

00:33:19

was talking about soil erosion and pal

00:33:21

eliros is an Environmental Protection area

00:33:23

and right behind the school there was a spout

00:33:26

where boys and girls jumped to get

00:33:28

water swimming Katherine knows that she

00:33:30

also studied at this same school and then

00:33:33

I raised my hand and said ah Teacher

00:33:35

because we won't see

00:33:37

soil erosion happening in practice he

00:33:40

took me out of the room he took me he took me to the

00:33:43

management I was suspended for three

00:33:45

days which I never showed to my father

00:33:47

who otherwise would have been beaten And then I

00:33:50

continued to go to school hidden for three days.

00:33:52

On the second day, the principal saw

00:33:55

that I was staying outside, you know,

00:33:56

I wasn't going in because I

00:33:58

couldn't and punished me where in the

00:34:01

classroom of reading and I spent the rest

00:34:04

of the week in the reading room looking at the

00:34:06

books, you know, the textbooks And then one

00:34:09

day Silvan Chagas, who is from the

00:34:12

reading camilos, right, she says, look, there will be a

00:34:14

reopening of a place where I

00:34:16

work, a library and so on, you don't

00:34:18

want to go, I have nothing to do there, I didn't

00:34:22

have a single bite, I didn't have any money, I

00:34:24

passed by, I got a ride on the bus and

00:34:26

went and there, in this library, I

00:34:28

found a group of young people who, what

00:34:30

my teachers said they

00:34:32

were, being boring, too inquisitive, they

00:34:35

said it was about being empowered and

00:34:37

engaged, I said Oops, there's something

00:34:40

different here in this group.

00:34:50

I didn't understand anything about José Saramago, but I read it there at the

00:34:53

reading club so we could

00:34:55

discuss it later and that mobilized me so much

00:34:58

F ass, look, a group of young people get together

00:35:01

to comment on what's written in a book,

00:35:05

so that's the people I want to

00:35:07

be with, so I think that's it, right? School

00:35:08

also has this potential

00:35:11

to captivate us, move us,

00:35:15

mobilize us, but sometimes it also has the potential

00:35:18

to cause some

00:35:20

obstacles and some traumas, but that's not the only reason

00:35:23

we need to give up and

00:35:25

give up on school. needs

00:35:28

more and more at school so that it becomes what

00:35:30

we believe it

00:35:33

is, which is a democratic place of

00:35:36

access to a culture of coexistence and of

00:35:39

connecting with others. And then just to

00:35:42

finish, I remembered the question you

00:35:44

asked from the previous one about the GPT chat, right,

00:35:47

so I think that's what we, as

00:35:49

defenders of books,

00:35:52

also believe that it is fundamental and important to

00:35:54

become literate, right, we have literacy

00:35:57

for digital media, but in a society,

00:36:00

a world where we are still fighting

00:36:01

for so many basic needs for

00:36:03

rights humans, we need to

00:36:06

bring these discussions together And these

00:36:09

reflections cannot make us think that the

00:36:11

ch eh GBT will replace a teacher in the

00:36:14

classroom when we have

00:36:17

dozens of schools that don't even have a bathroom

00:36:20

that don't even have a math teacher

00:36:22

So I think that This type of proposal is

00:36:26

a type of proposal from people who don't

00:36:28

understand the reality of Brazilian public education.

00:36:30

So I think it's a bit of

00:36:35

that. Wonderful, did you see that Magali

00:36:38

wrote here for you in the series I've never

00:36:40

seen you, I've always

00:36:43

loved you What a

00:36:45

beautiful comment, well Thank you Magali, who continues

00:36:49

Thank you

00:36:51

Magali, let's go, I'll continue Kel Come on, let's go,

00:36:55

that's great, Bruninho,

00:36:58

you took up the question here, right about

00:37:02

this speech, right from the secretary of education

00:37:06

of the state of São Paulo, right from Renato

00:37:08

feder, who has given a lot of attention there? out, right,

00:37:11

because, uh, there were already video classes with

00:37:17

wrong content, right, now this

00:37:21

proposal to organize the class using

00:37:24

chat, something that we have always

00:37:28

defended, right, and have been working on is that every

00:37:33

place is ours, everything has to be used by

00:37:37

us, but that nothing replaces people

00:37:42

nothing replaces exchanges and many

00:37:46

people thought that what we did

00:37:49

when we created the library there

00:37:52

Reading paths was a waste of time every now and

00:37:54

then someone would show up to offer some

00:37:58

work to the library boys

00:38:01

who said gosh, son, stay there sitting around

00:38:03

doing nothing because reading is like Oh, since

00:38:07

you're not doing anything you don't

00:38:09

want to do this work here for me

00:38:10

but who told you that I'm not doing

00:38:12

anything I'm reading and that was stubborn,

00:38:16

we could read in secret but the

00:38:19

We chose to read in the library area

00:38:23

because we wanted to be

00:38:25

seen because we know the importance

00:38:28

of the gesture, right, we know that form is

00:38:32

content in a Territory that didn't have

00:38:35

any library until 2010, being seen

00:38:40

reading could make a very

00:38:43

big change. including young people who went

00:38:45

to school and saw reading only

00:38:48

as a

00:38:50

curricular obligation to see their classmates reading out of turn,

00:38:54

wasting time, spending so much

00:38:57

time reading, we know how

00:39:00

transformative this was, right today when we

00:39:02

see young

00:39:04

readers who it's been emerging so, oh, it's

00:39:09

cool, the chat, everything that exists there is for

00:39:13

us to use artificial intelligence,

00:39:16

now Artificial Intelligence is

00:39:17

built by people, an

00:39:21

unequal, racist, sexist society will

00:39:25

also be reflected in what is called

00:39:28

Artificial Intelligence, if we are

00:39:30

not prepared to learn to read

00:39:34

discuss, we're going to go again, right, live

00:39:38

in that world that Kel brought up in

00:39:40

her speech, in the world of fake news, right, in

00:39:44

which the people themselves, the person is

00:39:46

throwing a book saying that she didn't

00:39:48

play, right, and there are people wanting to believe

00:39:50

that she She didn't play but she herself plays,

00:39:53

so literature is what

00:39:57

we see, there are several experts

00:40:00

saying there's nothing I've managed to

00:40:04

replace this encounter between

00:40:07

people and books, this time that the

00:40:10

book demands of us, before arriving

00:40:13

here, I was with a group in a

00:40:16

reading circle a group of teenagers and

00:40:18

young people discussing the Fran CFC process

00:40:22

we read one book a month from a list

00:40:26

of 50 books books that some authors

00:40:29

recommended to us we called Ana

00:40:32

Maria Gonçalves Luiz C Rogério

00:40:36

Pereira teacher of literature like

00:40:39

Letícia Lenf and reading mediators

00:40:43

like Camila Dias and I, each of us

00:40:47

indicated 10 books to get through the ma

00:40:50

time and we are now finishing the

00:40:53

list of 50 books and today was the day to

00:40:56

read the process

00:40:57

to stay 2 hours me0 Don't read it, right? We already

00:41:00

read it, it was the day to talk about it and

00:41:03

then you hear young people saying Oh my goodness,

00:41:07

this is a metaphor for our life in which we are

00:41:11

born guilty and spend our

00:41:14

entire lives in an encrypted process to

00:41:18

condemn us either way we

00:41:21

are going to die the only way out is to be in the

00:41:25

collective is collective being reading

00:41:29

seeing and saying what we read and

00:41:32

see This is the place of the library

00:41:35

this No chat will give us

00:41:37

no Artificial Intelligence will be

00:41:39

able to solve So the our

00:41:42

relationship with the school, I'm going to pass the

00:41:44

buck to Kell, who can talk about the

00:41:46

curly ones and the super cool work he's

00:41:49

done with the schools, it's our

00:41:53

place, right? We understand that this is an

00:41:55

important place for the collective construction of

00:41:59

construction reading spaces.

00:42:02

a way to read Sharing

00:42:04

our ways as readers,

00:42:07

it's a space where we can have the

00:42:12

best books we know

00:42:14

because we don't need to buy them

00:42:16

individually, we can have a

00:42:20

shared space and build this bridge, right, with

00:42:23

our home being able to bring these books

00:42:26

to me right now It's super messy

00:42:28

because I'm on an eternal project that ended

00:42:30

this Friday so they're not so

00:42:33

organized right now, right now, but

00:42:36

when we start to organize

00:42:37

our personal library and build this

00:42:40

bridge with the school library right,

00:42:43

being able to find this pleasure in

00:42:46

Reading, which is not just a pleasure of

00:42:49

happiness, we left today extremely

00:42:52

distressed with reading Cica, which is

00:42:55

exactly what we are reading an author who

00:42:58

causes

00:43:00

anguish, which is for us to look at the

00:43:04

pitfalls that society he's putting it

00:43:07

to us and literature helping us to

00:43:10

develop solutions. So I think Kel

00:43:14

can tell us how she's been dealing with

00:43:15

the curly children in schools and talk about the

00:43:19

library, right, the day our library

00:43:21

stopped, I saw that le Rosco is there. around

00:43:24

here, she loves this story, she

00:43:27

was already in Parelheiros with us, so

00:43:30

that's why it's

00:43:32

good to talk about the library, to talk about

00:43:35

this place where

00:43:37

we started, but also in this place of

00:43:41

looking at this immensity And then I

00:43:43

remember Galeano a lot, right, in this

00:43:47

child's conversation with his father He was

00:43:49

so amazed by the immensity of the sea and

00:43:52

its beauty that he asked his father for help

00:43:54

so he could help him see

00:43:57

this immensity, help me look, that's what

00:44:00

he asked his father for and that's what the

00:44:03

people all the time as young people asked for

00:44:06

permission to go to schools, I saw that someone

00:44:08

mentioned not needing to ask for

00:44:10

permission in school spaces anymore for

00:44:12

literature to enter, but we

00:44:15

needed to do this for a long time,

00:44:17

sometimes even with some existences, it

00:44:19

ends up happening and on the way to

00:44:21

Reading, she started a very

00:44:23

beautiful process in which I was

00:44:25

also able to identify myself as a social educator.

00:44:27

From then on, my

00:44:29

construction process as a mediator

00:44:32

was also being carried out in

00:44:34

classrooms, right? And the dam school where

00:44:37

we started the process of mediation in

00:44:39

every room at school, we

00:44:42

took the young people out of the day to mediate

00:44:44

for other people because I think that

00:44:46

this place of the mediator or of those who have

00:44:49

contact with access literature is

00:44:51

also to encourage other people to

00:44:53

be able to look at this immensity and

00:44:56

beauty that is literature, the sea, it

00:44:58

also has this diving place that

00:45:00

helps us to become strong, just

00:45:03

as literature also has, it

00:45:04

also feeds the soul and the body and this

00:45:08

trajectory that we were hoping and

00:45:11

believing in in the literary world and we

00:45:13

went deeper

00:45:14

as managers of

00:45:17

community libraries, right, today in the territory

00:45:19

we have five and also with other

00:45:22

collectives that were inspired, so I,

00:45:24

Bruninho, are part of Bruninho, then

00:45:26

he can even be a professor, he's talking more about the

00:45:27

collective, but the collective, it is also born from

00:45:30

this place in the school space, right? They are

00:45:33

young people who are also passionate about the

00:45:37

paths of Reading, and they met with

00:45:39

us for a few moments and asked for our

00:45:42

support so that they could also organize themselves

00:45:44

as a collective at school to

00:45:46

claim their rights and the

00:45:48

collective is in trouble. born from this

00:45:50

perspective today, now after 8 years

00:45:54

Um Tantão Mais Mature, thinking about the

00:45:56

transformative teacher, also about

00:45:58

teachers taking literary mediation

00:46:00

into the classroom and this

00:46:03

crimped project was born that focuses on

00:46:05

affective black literature because

00:46:07

we believe that this place of looking is

00:46:09

also seeing in our children

00:46:12

children who need to be welcomed,

00:46:15

children who need to look and

00:46:17

identify within the literary world in

00:46:19

which for a long time we were

00:46:21

denied this place of identity of

00:46:24

representation in the place of the playful

00:46:26

but the prudish that also moves us that

00:46:28

makes with us See the affectionate side

00:46:30

of being in a family represented

00:46:33

with our colors represented with

00:46:35

our tastes represented with

00:46:38

our smells represented this

00:46:40

literature that we also want to present

00:46:41

to the world and make other

00:46:43

people see the beauty which is

00:46:46

black literature, also

00:46:50

peripheral literature and this collective has been

00:46:54

thinking and asked for the support of the

00:46:56

Reading Pathways to look at the

00:46:58

collection to look at the

00:47:01

methodological way to take training to

00:47:03

teachers because the majority of them are also

00:47:06

from Encrespado collective is made up of

00:47:08

pedagogues as well as the people from the

00:47:11

Community Library Paths of

00:47:13

Reading So it was a combination of a

00:47:15

project that is very beautiful, very beautiful

00:47:17

to see, and we are working in the

00:47:20

territory of Parelheiros, at the

00:47:22

MF Vargem Grande school, we were included on

00:47:25

Saturday, making our strategic plan,

00:47:28

so we have the vision of expanding to

00:47:30

more schools, so our goal is that by the

00:47:32

end of the year we already have four

00:47:35

schools receiving the collective for this

00:47:37

process, not only training, but

00:47:39

also meeting the children

00:47:41

taking this collection, which is a collection,

00:47:43

is also designed not only for the

00:47:46

children but also for the teacher's training process

00:47:48

and the school will have this

00:47:51

collection at the end of this project, right, it

00:47:54

remains at the school. This is a little

00:47:56

bit of the work that the curly man

00:47:58

has done with the schools and then

00:48:03

last week we had a meeting and

00:48:05

I wasn't at the previous one, we

00:48:07

also do an activity route between the

00:48:08

mediators and when I went to get the

00:48:11

record book, right, to record it

00:48:13

because we also record the

00:48:15

impressions from the children and then there was a

00:48:17

question from Bruno that he asked that

00:48:19

it was a dictatorship. So the answers are

00:48:23

wonderful, this collective construction

00:48:25

with the children is even better because there

00:48:28

is no place there to just point out the

00:48:30

error but to build it together, right? So

00:48:32

they said that it was a dictatorship It was when you had

00:48:35

your finger up pointing your finger

00:48:39

at each other and what a dictatorship it was to hit,

00:48:43

so children have a lot to

00:48:46

teach us too and how do we build

00:48:48

this through literature in which

00:48:51

children and young people also have a voice? active is

00:48:54

this place that was born on the path to Reading

00:48:55

and continues to this day within

00:48:58

the territory of Parelheiros. So the

00:49:00

guard bags that go to the Guardians of the

00:49:03

territory, right? After

00:49:05

the library closed, they are bags that

00:49:08

the community receives 10

00:49:10

literary titles and we You can also make this

00:49:12

exchange to be able to talk a

00:49:14

little about what this immensity was or

00:49:16

what these anxieties that literature

00:49:18

caused in each subject in each individual

00:49:21

who received this grant and today we

00:49:24

have a provisional space that is

00:49:25

also this space for exchange for

00:49:27

construction, the neighborhood that is in the

00:49:29

Silveira neighborhood in the territory of Parelheiros,

00:49:32

we still have the

00:49:33

loan process, not in the amount

00:49:36

we had before, but we continue with

00:49:38

our activities Mainly in the

00:49:40

partner spaces, but this project

00:49:42

is so beautiful and I'm really

00:49:45

proud, guys, I'll always speak with

00:49:46

a lot of conviction and always with a lot of

00:49:48

affirmation Because in fact it's a work

00:49:51

that fills not only us with pride

00:49:53

but also the people we've been

00:49:55

listening to over the years, right?

00:49:57

I'm over 13 years old and

00:50:00

yesterday I went to take an Uber and he was talking about

00:50:02

the empowerment that was one of the girls

00:50:04

and then it was a coincidence, right? He says

00:50:07

wow, you're Cidineia's niece but

00:50:09

Cidineia is everywhere, she's at the

00:50:11

city hall, she's at the UBS meeting, she

00:50:13

's at the school meeting and she also

00:50:16

works with you, so you come from

00:50:18

this generation, from this place that

00:50:20

really empowers these young people, eh, and, and

00:50:24

how beautiful it is for us to see

00:50:26

what atura can provide for each

00:50:29

young person for each educator, the teachers, right, so

00:50:32

last week when

00:50:34

we arrived at school, in fact, the

00:50:36

girl at reception went to open the

00:50:38

gate and she looked at me, Bruno and

00:50:39

said, we were already worried, she thought

00:50:41

you wouldn't go coming like this

00:50:43

is a process of arriving with

00:50:45

literature within schools in a place

00:50:48

that they also recognize as a

00:50:49

place that needs to be that is not

00:50:52

just the management or the teacher who is

00:50:54

in the classroom who recognizes these

00:50:56

bodies who also encourages the The

00:50:58

literary world is also the school body and

00:51:01

we have had this concern and it was

00:51:04

something that we learned on the path of

00:51:06

reading, right? How do we look at the

00:51:09

literary process in this place,

00:51:12

which also has a formative process and this

00:51:14

formative process needs have

00:51:16

continuity and the school needs to be

00:51:18

this place of continuity not only

00:51:21

of learning initiatives so for

00:51:24

us it is very important to continue with

00:51:26

this work and have so many

00:51:28

partners so we have the cpcd which

00:51:30

is also in the territory of Parelheiros

00:51:32

which has welcomed our events

00:51:34

we just held in March, saral

00:51:36

women in literature, we have

00:51:39

ongoing activities there with a center of

00:51:41

Excellence in early childhood, so the

00:51:43

work that iba, which is Paths of

00:51:45

Reading, has carried out in the territory

00:51:47

of Parelheiros is an expansion not

00:51:49

only of literary repertoire But

00:51:51

also of leisure culture of democracy

00:51:54

and we are able to know our

00:51:57

rights and it is the rights that we are

00:51:59

able to express in the body in speech in

00:52:02

gesture in meetings and I think it is a

00:52:06

little bit of all of this, so sometimes I

00:52:08

get even a little lost on what to

00:52:10

share because there are a lot of things

00:52:12

we were even talking about this

00:52:13

morning At a meeting we have done

00:52:15

a lot of beautiful things within the

00:52:18

territory and it also needs to be

00:52:21

systematized it needs to be in the world

00:52:24

so that more people can not

00:52:26

just see that it works and that it is very

00:52:29

important but that we also have

00:52:30

mistakes we also have challenges

00:52:33

we also have conflicts and that we

00:52:35

need to be together that we need to

00:52:37

be in dialogue talking about this so

00:52:39

that we can not only to evolve

00:52:41

but also to face these anxieties

00:52:45

these challenges these are difficulties that

00:52:48

appear in the course of our

00:52:52

life, wow, how much beauty, right,

00:52:56

difficult people here, come back to the scene for me to

00:53:00

tie this together, this is pure Beauty, I think

00:53:03

you can follow

00:53:05

exactly how many people via chat Speaking

00:53:08

of the greatness of your speech about

00:53:11

Beauty, I want to highlight here a

00:53:16

speech by Alessandra, she writes here

00:53:19

books cannot just be

00:53:21

pedagogical tools, they are also

00:53:24

aesthetic, ethical, poetic experiences and the expansion

00:53:28

of horizons, this is because of what

00:53:30

we were talking about of censorship, right, and I

00:53:33

highlighted Alessandra's speech here

00:53:36

because it's interesting when

00:53:38

Bel says about the books she was

00:53:40

reading that there was a CFC, right, and Someone

00:53:43

wrote here, well, Kafka is heavy, right, but

00:53:45

Kafka helps you understand Bruno and

00:53:49

Katherin too They talked about

00:53:51

peripheral literature, right, so it's very beautiful,

00:53:55

we see that all this fits, right?

00:54:09

Brazil with Kafka, right, this

00:54:12

idea of always corresponding with

00:54:15

someone who isn't me, but who could

00:54:17

be me, right, this meeting is so

00:54:20

wonderful, so I think this power,

00:54:23

right, and when I mentioned the school a little bit,

00:54:25

which was the last one question

00:54:28

precisely because of the Power, especially that

00:54:32

you have incredible collections, right, precisely

00:54:35

in this collection that Alessandra says that the

00:54:37

book is not just pedagogical, it is aesthetic,

00:54:40

it is about non-comprehension, right, because I

00:54:42

really liked it when Bruno talks like that,

00:54:44

I didn't understand Saramago But not that,

00:54:46

but I liked not understanding it too

00:54:48

because it made me think about it. I understood

00:54:51

a part of it or understood what that

00:54:53

age gave you, right? It's so cool that we

00:54:57

go back to the books of the past

00:54:58

when I pick up the book The First

00:55:00

Crime and Punishment that I I read it, I

00:55:04

had a habit of taking notes and I look back at that

00:55:07

note from when I was 14 years old, I

00:55:09

really didn't understand that book,

00:55:11

I definitely didn't understand it, you know, I thought it was a

00:55:13

very loving book and it

00:55:16

wasn't quite like that, right?

00:55:19

It moves too much and then let me just

00:55:23

comment here I got lost here for a minute

00:55:25

another question that talks about a lot was about

00:55:27

the geography teacher Renata

00:55:30

started here the Geography teacher

00:55:32

saw Bruninho Everyone thinks this way

00:55:34

but which teacher is this who did this

00:55:37

but everyone say it's good because

00:55:39

that's how we gained a reader so it was and

00:55:42

geography teachers who are

00:55:44

listening to us I love you

00:55:47

Okay good AB Bel also one person

00:55:53

had asked for the list of books Super

00:55:56

Gentle here He put the link and Renata

00:55:58

says she also put the link here so I didn't

00:56:02

see it here in the chat but

00:56:05

Renata said she shared it here

00:56:08

so thank you so much I wanted

00:56:12

Bel to comment a little bit now

00:56:14

I'm talking a little more

00:56:16

exclusively with Belel about

00:56:18

Vera's course when I introduced it to Bel

00:56:22

I said that it was a somewhat new course,

00:56:24

postgraduate course in Young

00:56:28

Adult Literature, I don't know if I used the

00:56:30

correct term, if there really is this

00:56:33

idea of originality, I thought it was very

00:56:35

new because of the participants in

00:56:38

the curriculum that the course proposed right,

00:56:40

and Abel was one of the teachers, I

00:56:43

really wanted her to comment on what

00:56:44

this experience was like,

00:56:46

and then I have one more question about

00:56:49

this possible literature meeting. If

00:56:52

we have

00:56:53

time, it could be Bel, can you tell us

00:56:56

what course this is, I can tell you, so there are

00:57:00

two courses there, you know, there's

00:57:03

Verac Cruz's course where I was a teacher for

00:57:06

a few years, I think a few years or

00:57:09

more I stayed there, this

00:57:12

literature course for children and young people with

00:57:15

this opportunity to talk to

00:57:19

teachers

00:57:21

with activists, you know, who are more artivist

00:57:26

of the Free Reading universe,

00:57:30

with people from different areas, right? And there

00:57:33

I worked with reading mediation

00:57:37

Bruninho Kell and other young people were

00:57:41

with me there in Veracruz and but then I want to

00:57:45

tell you a little about the Posse that we have

00:57:47

now with casa

00:57:49

Tombada which is a post-graduate course

00:57:52

to talk about what Kathlyn brings, right,

00:57:55

about Social education highlighted by

00:57:59

literature when K talks about Look at us from

00:58:03

Ibac, right, this organization is

00:58:06

quite old, right, it's already been there for over

00:58:10

40 years working with rights

00:58:13

humans and in Parelheiros we have been there

00:58:16

since 2008 and bringing literature,

00:58:20

cutting out our lines of action

00:58:23

with literature, obviously

00:58:26

with children and young people, with the area of

00:58:31

healthy eating, with

00:58:34

environmental issues, with mental health care

00:58:38

and with communication, and cutting out everything this

00:58:42

with literature, right, a practice of

00:58:44

social education that mobilizes people

00:58:48

through

00:58:49

literature, this is unprecedented, right, it's

00:58:52

a proposal for the second half

00:58:55

of this year

00:58:56

and I think one cool thing Celinha that

00:58:59

I would highlight is the fact that we

00:59:02

always do this in a In an

00:59:05

intergenerational way, in the coordination of this

00:59:07

course, I am Valdirene Rocha, who is

00:59:12

an Educator, and K, who is a young woman who

00:59:16

graduated from the library, so there is always

00:59:19

this opportunity, you know, of these

00:59:22

constructions in a collective way in which we are

00:59:26

involved, right, we never looked

00:59:29

at young people as our target audience.

00:59:33

always treated us like partners in this

00:59:36

construction, right? So, even though we didn't understand

00:59:40

anything, right, sometimes, as Bruninho said, But who is it, right? Who

00:59:43

understands everything? Today we

00:59:45

talked about it, imagine, right? It's

00:59:50

the

00:59:53

fourth or fifth time that I'm reading the

00:59:55

CFCA process and each time is different

00:59:58

because we are different people, so this

01:00:02

place, right? And you also bring this from

01:00:05

your notes on top of the books, right? You've

01:00:08

already read how important this is.

01:00:11

and then we believe that

01:00:13

literature, when it is in the hands, in the

01:00:16

mouth, at the feet of people with different

01:00:19

experiences like mothers, right, we are

01:00:22

talking about, look, it is possible to have a

01:00:26

literary motherhood, we will be born as readers

01:00:29

and who takes care of this motherhood The

01:00:32

whole community, the whole village, has to

01:00:35

take care of this maternity ward and needs to

01:00:37

bring these mothers together. So our action

01:00:40

that calls Born to Read in the best

01:00:43

place to live, it needs

01:00:47

everyone from the community, right, so in this

01:00:50

postgraduate course we come to tell you this is

01:00:53

how we bring it, how

01:00:55

can literature mobilize mothers,

01:00:58

educators, educators, brothers and sisters

01:01:02

for literary motherhood for this

01:01:05

birth of readers,

01:01:08

how can we

01:01:09

bring literature to the care of

01:01:13

our bodies because we say if

01:01:15

we have in a living there is no literature to

01:01:18

sustain us so we bring

01:01:22

literature for the construction of

01:01:24

Food and also for the hearts and

01:01:27

minds, that's what we've been calling

01:01:30

it, you know, this social education and this

01:01:34

mobilization we have this course is

01:01:37

formatted, right, building forms for the

01:01:40

second semester. I hope more people are

01:01:43

interested, at Casa Tombada,

01:01:47

eh. There's more information about the course, and

01:01:51

finally, I wanted to talk a little, right,

01:01:53

about intentionality, right? Our

01:01:56

educators, educators, we know, right?

01:01:59

that education doesn't happen

01:02:03

spontaneously, right? I really like to

01:02:06

think about the issue of food, right?

01:02:09

If we were allowed to, we would grow up eating

01:02:12

sweets, right?

01:02:19

They do it

01:02:22

right, in our food education we

01:02:25

introduce what is healthy and

01:02:28

necessary little by

01:02:30

little with our training, with our

01:02:33

literary nutrition it is no different, so

01:02:36

when we talk, look, we read

01:02:39

peripheral literature, we read the

01:02:41

classics, we read contemporaries,

01:02:43

we read novels, we read poetry, we read microstories, we

01:02:47

read chronicles because we took care of this

01:02:50

literary nutrition when we

01:02:53

created this list that is

01:02:56

available to you in the chat, and we

01:03:00

called Ana Maria Gonçalves and gave

01:03:04

her a slogan, Ana said to we

01:03:07

want you to

01:03:08

nominate authors that we need to read

01:03:12

to get through the bad weather but we

01:03:15

want half of them to be women and we

01:03:18

also want there to be a diversity of

01:03:21

literary genres for C luí C We

01:03:25

asked us we want you to nominate

01:03:28

authors and black and black authors,

01:03:31

black, black, but who have diversity, for

01:03:35

Rogério Pereira, from the newspaper,

01:03:39

we asked, we want you to

01:03:41

nominate only classics, but half of them

01:03:44

are women, because if we don't have the

01:03:47

intention, we always end up reading the

01:03:49

same things, we We can't even

01:03:53

define what our taste is if we

01:03:56

don't try other flavors, we stick to

01:03:59

the one that is safe because we can't even

01:04:01

know what we like,

01:04:04

so I think it's very important for

01:04:06

us to think about that,

01:04:08

right? You heard me, you

01:04:10

heard me more than once say that we

01:04:13

would always need to look at the shelves

01:04:16

of our bookshelves in the

01:04:20

public library, the school library, the

01:04:22

Community library, the

01:04:25

personal library, in any of them and

01:04:28

ask who is not here, who is

01:04:31

missing because it is a loss In view of the

01:04:35

human diversity that we have, we

01:04:37

stop knowing what is being

01:04:40

produced. So I just wanted to bring this

01:04:43

issue of intentionality to

01:04:45

our construction as

01:04:48

readers, which is essential, right, because

01:04:52

only then will we be able to read

01:04:53

everything and define our

01:04:57

tastes, thank you, thank you, Bel,

01:05:01

I even apologize that I had

01:05:04

told you to talk about a

01:05:05

course proposal but it was from Casa Tombada, so I

01:05:08

apologize,

01:05:10

hey, if anyone has any questions about

01:05:13

this course, you want to put it in the chat, but

01:05:15

anyway, Casa Tombada It's easy to find, right?

01:05:36

literary, right?

01:05:58

When children learned

01:06:01

to read, it was so wonderful to learn to read

01:06:05

that these children would write the words they liked on the blackboard, their

01:06:07

parents would spread

01:06:10

some honey there with some cereal and the

01:06:13

children would lick it.

01:06:19

feeding that that would never again

01:06:22

be part of your life

01:06:24

forever, right? So I think

01:06:26

this from Literary Maternity of

01:06:28

Literary Nutrition, Magali also

01:06:30

wrote something that I don't know if it was

01:06:32

here in the video, just in the chat, but about

01:06:35

climate change, right? I think that today

01:06:37

we have in literature, you said, right

01:06:40

Bel, that everything fits and everything has to fit

01:06:42

and there has to be intention and there has to be

01:06:46

diversity, literature has always

01:06:48

talked about everything and today it continues to talk about

01:06:51

everything, so science fiction was already talking about

01:06:54

about climate change, we have

01:06:56

wonderful books about this, about the

01:06:58

issue of gender, about the issue of

01:07:01

blackness, about the issue of

01:07:03

immigrants, about the issue, in short, it's

01:07:07

difficult for us to find a topic that

01:07:08

literature doesn't take care of, right, so

01:07:11

I think this What you talk about the intention

01:07:12

of diversity is very precious, right, and

01:07:15

I think several people are commenting on

01:07:17

this because that's it, right? We can fit everything in, right?

01:07:21

And since we're going to need about

01:07:23

10 lives to start reading a little,

01:07:25

right? teacher when he

01:07:27

gave the list of books for the year we

01:07:28

said But this is desperate there won't be enough

01:07:31

time he said Calm down people We know

01:07:34

that at least 10 years 10 times we

01:07:36

would have to go back to start reading a

01:07:38

little so I think that's also the case It's

01:07:41

good, right? Hey, Alessandra, here I want to

01:07:44

sweeten and lick words, that's right, that's what

01:07:47

I learned in the book A History of

01:07:50

Reading. It tells a lot of different rituals

01:07:52

from different peoples, but they all converged, right?

01:07:55

This idea of the greatness of the Sacred of

01:07:58

learning to read, right? Well, we're

01:08:02

almost at the end, I still wanted to ask

01:08:06

since I'm asking so much, right? For

01:08:09

you to comment on something that, at

01:08:11

least for me, made a lot of sense

01:08:14

lately, I think it was the first time

01:08:16

I voted, I voted for the representatives of the

01:08:20

council of the Municipal Plan in the book of

01:08:22

Reading I think that for the first time we

01:08:25

had one, at least for me, maybe

01:08:27

for those of you who are further ahead,

01:08:31

more in the militancy, no, but a lot of

01:08:35

dissemination of this election, right, the candidates

01:08:37

speaking and so on, these Counselors

01:08:40

of the reading book, why I'm

01:08:42

saying this, right, because when we

01:08:43

talk about what we can do, right,

01:08:46

what things we can do, I think

01:08:48

first of all, this is being a love of reading,

01:08:52

encouraging school, and having a card

01:08:55

from the neighborhood library, right, reading a lot and

01:08:58

reading a lot, participating of all these situations, right,

01:09:01

but knowing that those that the city

01:09:04

has councilors, right, people

01:09:06

closer to us, can be making

01:09:08

a political impact seems so

01:09:11

important to me and it's an election that few

01:09:14

people vote in, just like in the

01:09:15

guardianship council, in the health council, in the council

01:09:18

of Culture So if you could

01:09:22

comment on the council,

01:09:25

if you know the people who were

01:09:26

elected this year, what can you

01:09:28

talk about? Maybe or do you think it's

01:09:31

boring?

01:09:45

We didn't think it was annoying at all, I was

01:09:48

just afraid to open the microphone

01:09:50

first because there was some shouting that I

01:09:52

don't know if you can hear and it's

01:09:55

my neighbor.

01:09:59

shouting

01:10:02

is part of it, that's it, right?

01:10:23

of what was stated, right, it was very difficult And

01:10:26

then starting to understand that

01:10:28

public policy is part of my

01:10:30

existence was very interesting, very

01:10:33

important because this also ended up

01:10:35

becoming my TCC, I talk about the process

01:10:38

of reading mediation in early

01:10:40

childhood with this focus of guaranteeing this

01:10:43

access and for us at Caminhos da

01:10:46

Leitura it was very important for this place

01:10:48

of the word and Power to occupy some

01:10:50

spaces that are often

01:10:53

young people, mainly from the literary network,

01:10:55

Sampa was occupying this place

01:10:57

of discussion, he was also occupying this place

01:11:00

of representation, right, so

01:11:02

we had one of our representatives

01:11:05

in previous years who was a

01:11:08

librarian from one of the

01:11:10

community libraries who was ejac, she was

01:11:13

also part of this council and today we have

01:11:15

Fabiana who is an

01:11:18

acquaintance of Cris Rogério who It's also

01:11:20

part of not only the fight for

01:11:23

this place of research but also for the

01:11:26

libraries, you know, it's a great partner that

01:11:28

comes from Casa Tombada and that has talked

01:11:31

a lot with us so that we're in this

01:11:34

game together. Because we need to join forces,

01:11:37

this is the place of representation for

01:11:39

us who are in the literary world,

01:11:41

especially in

01:11:42

community libraries, is very important to occupy

01:11:45

these places of power because it has always

01:11:48

been said that we shouldn't

01:11:51

also be discussing our

01:11:52

rights and the Municipal Book Plan for

01:11:55

Reading was very important because

01:11:57

not only gives us this place of

01:12:00

responsibility but also allows us to

01:12:02

build together what is in fact

01:12:04

our right. So we do have

01:12:07

some acquaintances, we are

01:12:09

increasingly present and working together with the

01:12:12

people in our network, we didn't

01:12:15

achieve this year to have a person

01:12:17

representing but we have been

01:12:20

following along and also being involved in

01:12:22

decision-making and especially in

01:12:24

discussions

01:12:26

Abel, if you want to complement anything else,

01:12:28

Bruninho is welcome

01:12:31

Ah, I think that's exactly it, I think we

01:12:34

managed it, right, at least there

01:12:38

2013 carry out the public hearings, have

01:12:43

the law ready from these hearings,

01:12:48

be able to set up the council, and

01:12:52

this whole space is also an arid space, right,

01:12:55

because if reading requires us

01:13:00

a while, the reading policy requires

01:13:04

us about three or four times because

01:13:08

we are there, right with many, with many

01:13:11

forces in favor, but also with a series

01:13:15

of demands, let's see the

01:13:18

national written reading policy, right, which

01:13:20

we called the Castilho law, which was

01:13:24

due this Wednesday. Finally, it wo

01:13:28

n't be signed anymore It's going to be more then, all of

01:13:30

this, right? There are many forces

01:13:34

around us, but we can't give up, you know, that

01:13:37

it's a public policy

01:13:42

built by several hands and several voices

01:13:45

in which the entire

01:13:48

creative

01:13:50

mediating chain, everyone is part of it, right?

01:13:54

you can't give up, we talked

01:13:56

here about intentionality, I saw other

01:13:58

messages saying that's it, so

01:14:02

how are we going to

01:14:05

make it a country of

01:14:08

readers if this isn't part of

01:14:11

our political proposals, we in The

01:14:14

library always says, right, that the action of

01:14:18

a library is a literary,

01:14:23

educational, poetic and

01:14:26

political action, anyone who thinks we

01:14:29

're there just spending time, right,

01:14:32

doing nothing, is wrong, anyone who thinks we're

01:14:35

doing nothing, we're there

01:14:37

doing something. project that is poetic that is

01:14:40

political that is Educational that is

01:14:46

transformational I think

01:14:49

that is all that Kly and Bel

01:14:53

brought so I'm not even going to repeat

01:14:55

what they brought here I think that an aspect

01:14:57

that I also consider that we

01:15:00

also consider Fundamental It's important, right, we

01:15:03

heard a lot that young people, right,

01:15:06

that teenagers weren't interested

01:15:08

in politics, and in fact it was the

01:15:11

opposite, right, politics didn't dialogue

01:15:13

and was interested in language because of the

01:15:16

spaces that young people occupy, right, so

01:15:19

I think that an experience that it was very

01:15:21

important to participate in

01:15:25

this construction of the

01:15:26

Municipal Reading Book Plan here in the

01:15:29

municipality was to see how

01:15:32

community libraries strategically

01:15:34

intentionally build space to

01:15:38

talk and exchange ideas with

01:15:40

different actors and actresses. I remember that

01:15:42

a conversation that had a big impact on

01:15:45

Monteira Lobato was a

01:15:47

public hearing that we held with children

01:15:49

where the children had to suggest

01:15:52

things for law and this is often the case

01:15:54

when we build

01:15:56

democratic strategies, right, oh let's build

01:15:58

democratic strategies for participation

01:16:00

at school then ask the young people look for a

01:16:02

pen, look for scissors and think that this

01:16:05

is being democratic Ah, let's see the

01:16:08

children, they make the drawings stick on the

01:16:10

wall and that's it And then the

01:16:14

community libraries, right, in São Paulo they innovated,

01:16:16

folks, let's have a conversation with the

01:16:19

children when we look at the data

01:16:21

they are the biggest patrons of

01:16:23

public libraries when it comes to

01:16:25

community libraries, as we

01:16:26

don't listen to our biggest audience and then the

01:16:29

most innovative and cool ideas that

01:16:32

happened came from them, there is a girl

01:16:35

who suggested look when I go out with

01:16:37

my mother on the weekend on the bus there is

01:16:40

an itinerary where the shopping mall passes Why

01:16:43

not have it where the libraries pass and

01:16:47

this came into play So how do we

01:16:49

also build intentional spaces,

01:16:51

like Bel brought training, well for

01:16:55

participation in political life, right in the

01:16:58

construction of Citizenship and I believe

01:17:00

that the community libraries, you know, have

01:17:03

done a very nice job,

01:17:05

intentional and rooted in these aspects, you know,

01:17:08

of getting reading mediators

01:17:10

to also discuss these other places, you know,

01:17:14

these other disputes that surround us

01:17:17

in our daily lives,

01:17:24

all of us,

01:17:27

too, great people, that's good, I thought

01:17:31

that the question could be boring, right,

01:17:34

because we talk about politics But I

01:17:37

personally care and am

01:17:39

very interested in myself. I was part of the

01:17:41

beginning of this conversation,

01:17:44

I even met with belé a few times at the

01:17:45

cultural center, right, it's been a while and

01:17:49

this proposal for example, I remember

01:17:50

the buses, the bus goes to the

01:17:53

Monte Lobato library, this bus goes to the

01:17:55

Walter Santos public library,

01:17:59

sorry And why Because even if the

01:18:03

person wasn't going to the library

01:18:05

Wow, I didn't know that the Library was

01:18:07

on the route of this bus, right?

01:18:09

We even thought about having

01:18:11

reading agents, so, just like we have

01:18:13

health agents, we can have

01:18:16

reading agents who would go through houses and

01:18:18

talk about reading. Anyway, so I think

01:18:21

these dreams that seem utopian

01:18:23

sometimes, but when we start thinking

01:18:25

about them, we can share these dreams with

01:18:28

other people end up being

01:18:31

confirmed, right, finally consummated and then

01:18:33

Amanda Leite wrote here in the chat that she

01:18:36

also didn't know about this council, the city

01:18:38

has a lot of councils, right? There

01:18:45

was also another one that we voted on a

01:18:47

few days ago, but they are little-known pieces of advice

01:18:50

that we rarely participate in,

01:18:53

but they are important, you know, they are

01:18:55

important for us to be there.

01:19:04

final considerations at the end this

01:19:06

question the last one was so beautiful and you have

01:19:08

already asked so many but

01:19:11

I would still like to say a good night from each of you

01:19:14

then I too prepared one here that

01:19:17

will be repetitive it will be like the

01:19:18

last one but I like doing it

01:19:20

exactly the same So I would like

01:19:23

you to say goodbye, I want you to say

01:19:27

Maria dalgis wrote here

01:19:32

half an hour ago that I didn't know the

01:19:34

contraption so if you're still

01:19:36

around daliz the contraption happens

01:19:38

every Monday, a

01:19:40

wonderful program and on YouTube you can watch

01:19:43

the old programs So come and jig

01:19:47

with us as always, thank you and I'll

01:19:50

move on to Good evening from you later I

01:19:52

have a good evening too

01:19:57

and now it's the order you decide well I

01:20:01

can start I'll just point out that I

01:20:03

saw some questions in the chat About the

01:20:06

course, registration will be reopened,

01:20:09

so there will be more

01:20:12

information about our course soon, but we'll be

01:20:16

notifying you, open it, Instagram, put the

01:20:19

bell there to receive notifications of the

01:20:21

PS communication. We hope that those of you who

01:20:24

are listening to us are also one

01:20:27

of our students who will be there

01:20:28

learning with us but also teaching

01:20:31

us a lot, we are hoping

01:20:33

to welcome each one of you who

01:20:35

were there following us on the chat, I would like to

01:20:37

thank you very much for listening, aunt of each

01:20:40

one who not only kept sending the

01:20:44

the messages congratulating but also

01:20:47

building this very important dialogue here,

01:20:49

I took several prints here

01:20:51

because I thought some

01:20:53

comments that appeared were super important, thank you Celinha

01:20:56

for your very sensitive and loving mediation.

01:21:01

Thank you very much, it was a pleasure to meet you

01:21:03

and I'm here tonight with you and also

01:21:05

contraption for having opened this

01:21:07

opportunity for us to be here talking

01:21:09

a little about this work of Ibac but

01:21:12

also about community libraries and

01:21:14

how this place of literature has changed

01:21:17

and transformed and overflowed each

01:21:19

subject so thank you very much to each

01:21:22

one of you, thank you Bel, thank you too

01:21:25

for being here sharing with me

01:21:27

tonight, a great night for each of

01:21:29

you who listened to

01:21:31

today's meeting, thank you, how beautiful, so I'm going to

01:21:37

go from here, so I also wanted to

01:21:39

thank Celinha for your beautiful mediation,

01:21:43

thank everyone who is at home in

01:21:46

our listening and watching us people

01:21:49

who will listen and watch this video later

01:21:51

so sign us up follow us on

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social media any question any

01:21:57

interaction just there

01:21:59

@ba on Instagram send a little message

01:22:02

there there is always someone to

01:22:05

answer you And then I wanted to leave a poem

01:22:07

is actually not an excerpt from a poem, you

01:22:11

know, that Mandela recited it once, then I

01:22:13

saw a very special woman reading it to

01:22:16

another very special woman. Mafo

01:22:19

Dara, who is the president of ib ib, recited

01:22:22

this poem once for the tribute that

01:22:24

She received it at Sesc Taquera and I was

01:22:27

like wow, I want to be like these

01:22:29

women and always when I have

01:22:32

difficult days like this I remember this poem and

01:22:35

it helps me get back on track and I

01:22:38

wanted to give it to each and every one of you,

01:22:41

it says more or less

01:22:43

so our greatest fear is not that

01:22:46

we are

01:22:47

incapable our greatest fear is that we are

01:22:51

powerful beyond measure it is Our light and

01:22:55

not our darkness that frightens us most we

01:22:58

ask ourselves Who am I to

01:23:01

be intelligent, attractive and

01:23:06

talented in fact who are you to

01:23:10

not be everything That playing small doesn't

01:23:13

help the world, it's as we let

01:23:16

our own light shine that we

01:23:19

unconsciously give permission to

01:23:21

other people to do the same and then

01:23:24

shine good night

01:23:29

wow that's the

01:23:34

gang Thank you Bruninho Thank you Kel

01:23:38

Thank you

01:23:39

Celinha Thank you Renata and the whole gang

01:23:42

contraption Who is also there behind the

01:23:46

scenes, right, making this meeting

01:23:48

happen, this meeting of sparkles, right?

01:24:09

built

01:24:11

and being able to share with more

01:24:14

people who have young people, you know, who read and

01:24:18

imagine for me, right? For us at ibac who

01:24:22

have been there in Parelheiros for 16 years and

01:24:26

we have found boys and girls there

01:24:29

who talk like this Will one day I will

01:24:31

be like Kathlin oh, will one day

01:24:34

I'll be like Bruninho and we've

01:24:37

seen it, every time with less time,

01:24:41

boys go from not liking

01:24:45

reading to thinking they don't like reading to

01:24:48

becoming a reader and how this changes

01:24:53

their physical posture your

01:24:58

moving around the city in the neighborhood like This

01:25:02

changes

01:25:03

the voltage of your gaze boys who

01:25:07

sometimes seemed like they were fading, right, we

01:25:11

came out of a pandemic, right, people

01:25:13

who dimmed a lot of shine that discouraged

01:25:18

a lot of people and you see there boys and

01:25:22

girls who you'll find yourself entering, right?

01:25:46

a

01:25:49

reading community that shares, right, that our

01:25:53

literature that our access to reading

01:25:56

is not to build rankings but

01:26:00

to build wheels,

01:26:04

thank you very well, thank you very much, guys,

01:26:09

I'm going to finish the same way I

01:26:12

finished the other time, Renata will say

01:26:14

Wow, but There wasn't anything new, right, but

01:26:18

she'll remember it, but I wanted to, when

01:26:20

Bel went to answer the first question,

01:26:24

I thought she said something so

01:26:26

cool, a discovery like that, she said, there

01:26:28

's nothing new about destroying

01:26:30

books, right, Bel, that's what you said.

01:26:32

there's nothing new And then

01:26:36

next May 10th, now they're going to be done, it's going to be

01:26:41

83 years of this scene here, me with the newspaper

01:26:44

again, I love the old newspaper, right, the

01:26:47

Nazi empire grew out of a bonfire

01:26:50

of books, so there's this scene,

01:26:53

it's 1941, here it says It was on

01:26:58

May 10th, like today in

01:26:59

1941, that a group of

01:27:02

Nazi students piled up and burned

01:27:06

books by Marxist and

01:27:08

left-wing Jewish authors in Berlin, but not only were they here, Don

01:27:11

Kot, they were here, Shakespeare, they were

01:27:14

here,

01:27:15

philosophy books, so I think I I wasn't going to

01:27:18

show this but I thought it was so beautiful that

01:27:20

Bel said it's nothing new to burn

01:27:21

books But we always win, right?

01:27:33

here in 2016 it says that those who

01:27:36

read books have their death rate reduced by 20%,

01:27:39

so that alone is a wonderful reason

01:27:42

for us to read a lot, isn't

01:27:45

it?

01:27:51

a great

01:27:54

pleasure to mediate,

01:27:56

sorry for my way of mediating here,

01:28:01

super grateful to everyone, everyone who

01:28:03

wrote, Renata for the invitation, all the

01:28:06

best,

01:28:09

everyone, I'm not going to end the

01:28:12

program yet, I want to thank

01:28:15

our audience immensely, she was so poetic,

01:28:18

there are so many beautiful things that people

01:28:22

left it here and it was the inspiration for this

01:28:25

Quartet that was here, Celinha is a huge

01:28:27

guest of ours, always to mediate

01:28:29

because she is always wonderful and this

01:28:31

theme had to be

01:28:33

yours, it couldn't be anyone from the

01:28:36

team here Bel Bruninho Kathlyn,

01:28:39

thank you so much for you accept contraption

01:28:41

with us Bruninho has already been with

01:28:42

us here Abel has also been with

01:28:44

us with contraption and Katherine can come

01:28:46

as many times as you want, right

01:28:48

contraption has this collaborative and

01:28:51

cooperative way of producing programs

01:28:53

so come come again Celinha

01:28:55

you can come here every week you

01:28:57

have a captive audience here, right,

01:29:00

everyone becomes a fan and wants to hear more,

01:29:04

eh, I would love to be able to read the comments

01:29:07

But we won't even have that time for

01:29:08

it to be recorded, I want to say that the

01:29:10

links to both the post course as

01:29:15

the list of books is in the description of the

01:29:17

YouTube channel and I'm already taking advantage of it by saying

01:29:19

it is extremely important to like

01:29:22

share make comment there are

01:29:24

our pages because this reaches

01:29:27

other people and today's program has to

01:29:30

reach other people like this and

01:29:32

we don't it can be closed only to this group

01:29:35

of people who like contraptions on

01:29:36

Mondays. This program is good on

01:29:38

Mondays because it gives you a boost, right?

01:29:41

And I need to read an excerpt from a book

01:29:45

that was recommended by Celinha in August

01:29:47

last year, it was on my list of

01:29:50

reading desires so I went to the

01:29:52

Unesp fair that took place a few weeks

01:29:55

ago and as it was on the list I bought it

01:29:57

at the fair and I'm going to read an excerpt

01:30:00

because this issue of

01:30:03

us taking people has to read

01:30:06

diversity I agree Bel Definitely

01:30:08

We even have to read so that we

01:30:10

can find what we

01:30:13

like, right, but when we read something that

01:30:16

we see representation is much

01:30:18

more transformative, I have no doubt about

01:30:20

that, I'm a white woman, I know,

01:30:23

all the books fairy tales But

01:30:25

I think that if I were a

01:30:27

black child my life would have been very

01:30:28

different if princesses weren't

01:30:30

like that, like Snow White and Celinha,

01:30:34

you'll remember that you recommended

01:30:36

this book to me in August last year

01:30:37

so I couldn't reading at that time, I

01:30:39

hadn't even bought letters and I'm already

01:30:42

advanced reading, but for those who

01:30:45

don't know Françoa ega, she was a

01:30:48

person, this writer, she was a

01:30:50

maid in France, she was from

01:30:54

Martinique and she knows about the

01:30:57

existence of Carolina Maria de Jesus

01:30:59

through a newspaper and she falls in love

01:31:02

with Carolina Maria de Jesus and the

01:31:04

existence of Carolina Maria de

01:31:07

Jesus' book encouraged this person to write

01:31:10

so she became a writer because she

01:31:14

looked at Carolina Maria de

01:31:17

Jesus and I'm going to read one one one and she

01:31:20

started writing letters at the same time

01:31:21

as She wrote her own book She

01:31:24

wrote letters to Carolina Carolina

01:31:27

died and I never knew about her existence

01:31:29

and I'm in a dialogue with this writer

01:31:31

because I'm not going to meet her either because

01:31:33

she's also dead but if she If I

01:31:35

could, I would have something to say about

01:31:38

these Bridges they are building, about

01:31:41

Carolina who made my life and

01:31:43

her May 20,

01:31:46

1962 If one day I send you these

01:31:49

lines you will want to know the rest of

01:31:51

my story today at night tell myself What's the point?

01:32:10

I earned 10 Francs in the

01:32:13

afternoon I cleaned four rooms I cleaned two

01:32:15

bathrooms two cupboards I shelled 2 kg

01:32:17

of peas at home only with canned ones I

01:32:21

don't like peeling them and it irritates my

01:32:23

fingertips

01:32:24

but I'm not angry it's the end

01:32:26

of the month and it's Mother's Day with money

01:32:29

I could make a really big cake

01:32:32

Mother's Day is still a party for my

01:32:34

children they took it from my notebooks

01:32:36

Now I have to copy all the

01:32:38

pages again if it hadn't been for you if you hadn't

01:32:42

become my inspiration I would have already

01:32:44

thrown everything away saying from here on

01:32:46

out, writing closes one window and my

01:32:49

thoughts another opens and I see her

01:32:52

bent over in the favela writing on the paper she

01:32:54

had picked up in the trash, I who have the

01:32:57

immense happiness of having a notebook, a

01:32:58

lamp, a very low song coming

01:33:00

from the radio, I think It would be cowardice to drop

01:33:04

everything because a child tore up the pages

01:33:06

of the notebook, all I can do is

01:33:09

start over timidly, I said to those

01:33:12

around me, I'm writing a

01:33:14

book and so

01:33:16

on, Hail Mary, look, I'm listening to you,

01:33:20

I was so thankful. I'm glad I wasn't here

01:33:22

in front of you because I cried, I laughed and I was

01:33:24

enchanted and I'm really hoping

01:33:26

for your existence. I'm a

01:33:29

very grateful person to have brought

01:33:31

people like Bel into my life, who I

01:33:34

have a great admiration for, Bruninho and

01:33:37

Kathlyn, Bruninho, I met you

01:33:38

through a video I don't know if you will

01:33:40

remember a long time ago I saw a

01:33:42

video of you in front of me I took this to

01:33:45

Bahia for young people to watch they were

01:33:48

enchanted do you remember this I think

01:33:50

it was in 2018 and it works well that the world of

01:33:54

technology brings us closer of some

01:33:57

stories from some people, I wanted

01:33:59

to bring this excerpt from the letter, right, that

01:34:02

France wrote to Carolina, I'm

01:34:05

sure other people have

01:34:07

access to our chat, this

01:34:10

contraption of ours, other people will

01:34:11

want to write to Bruninho, other

01:34:13

people will write to k and other

01:34:15

people will write to Bel and

01:34:17

Celinha because you were very

01:34:18

inspiring I just have to thank you come

01:34:22

play with us as many times as you

01:34:24

want I want to say a huge thank you to

01:34:26

those who put up with us for 1 hour and 34

01:34:28

minutes next week we'll be back with

01:34:31

a theme I always love our themes

01:34:33

and get involved, but next week

01:34:36

will also be quite special, we

01:34:38

will be talking about how to discuss this

01:34:40

issue of genders and also deconstruct

01:34:44

this idea of princesses, you know, of

01:34:47

princes in schools. So we will be

01:34:50

bringing this discussion for our

01:34:52

contraption and he has a program

01:34:55

next week's program was an

01:34:56

inspiration from last week when we

01:34:58

talked about

01:35:01

antima and Geralda who watched us

01:35:04

today she gave this idea so gerig

01:35:05

Gonça also works this way

01:35:07

people watch us send right They say a

01:35:10

lot of praise and say I want such a

01:35:12

theme, right this theme could be present

01:35:15

in our program so next week

01:35:17

you are invited, enjoy, share

01:35:20

Lúcio then make cuts and these cuts

01:35:24

also need to be publicized and that's it,

01:35:26

let's end the program otherwise I'm going

01:35:28

far and once again here I want to

01:35:32

hope that we have a year of

01:35:34

lots of cake in our coffee and

01:35:39

very well kisses to all of you,

01:35:42

who knows, maybe soon we'll see each other in

01:35:44

Parelheiros, that's

01:35:47

it, a good night kiss to

01:35:52

everyone, can you? close

01:35:57

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Geringonça SP do dia, 22/04/24, convidou a mestre em literatura brasileira Celinha Nascimento para mediar conversa sobre juventude e leitura com Bel Santos, educadora social, coordenadora do Instituto Brasileiro de Estudos e Apoio Comunitário e co-gestora da Rede LiteraSampa; e com os integrantes da Biblioteca Comunitária Caminhos da Leitura Bruninho Souza, pedagogo com formação em direitos humanos, e Ketlin Santos, educadora social, ativista do coletivo Encrespad@s. Linque sobre os cinquenta livros citado por Bel Santos, abaixo https://issuu.com/viracao/docs/viracao_edicao_116 Linque sobre Casa Tombada, abaixo https://cursos.acasatombada.com.br/curso/pos-graduacao-educacao-social

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