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so thanks a lot so when I became a
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student of biological psychology there
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was one lesson that we learned in the
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first hour and that is cognition emerges
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in the cortex and without cortex there's
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no cognition now I'm giving a talk about
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cognition without cortex so how is that
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possible well it all starts with
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evolution an evolution will reconstruct
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the Tree of Life the history of life and
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we do this by looking at features that
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different animals share so you see four
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different animals there and look at the
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first two the human and the chimp you
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see that there are a lot of features
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that they have in common it's very
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simple why because they had a common
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ancestor and these common ancestor
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didn't live that long time ago you also
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see that there are some similarities at
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least between humans and dogs not that
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many but some and again there is a
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common ancestor meant this and this
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common ancestor lived quite a while ago
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and there are even some similarities
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between humans and pigeons but the last
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common ancestor that existed lived 300
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million years ago and from this last
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common ancestor all of these animals
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inherited certain features and they
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still have some of these features and
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they share these features so similarity
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is usually a hallmark of relatedness and
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common ancestry but animals can also
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become similar due to other reasons due
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to convergent evolution and that's my
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most beloved picture to demonstrate you
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this these are four different animals
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and these four animals share one thing
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and that's the taste for a certain kind
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of prey they love grubs that hide
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between the barks of trees but these
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grubs unfortunately they don't want to
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be eaten so it's a bit difficult to get
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hold of them so what did these animals
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do they invented more or less a very
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similar procedure this one changed its
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front paws to get hold of the grubs this
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one changed the hind paws to get hold of
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it this one changed its peak and this
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one changed its brain and as a result it
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was able to use tools in this case
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cactus spines to get hold of the graphs
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so convergent evolution not related to
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common ancestry can also create
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similarities of features simply due to a
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common joint selection pressure now
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comes the question that keeps me awake
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all the night and that's this one
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when cognition converges do brains also
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converge think of octopus having a
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completely different brain now octopus
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starts an evolutionary line were in the
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future octopus things like humans does
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octopus then get a human brain or and
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that's the alternative is it possible
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that similar cognitive processes are
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generated by different brains so that
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octopus might have a completely
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different brain but still would think
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like us this is the question I would
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like to find an answer for and this is a
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very important question because the
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first alternative means I look at your
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brain and I tell you how your cognition
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works the second alternative is I look
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at your brain and have no clue what you
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think so the person who dedicated all of
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his scientific life for this question
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was lubricating a true hero of science a
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German ear anatomist who lived in
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Frankfurt about a century ago who was
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the leading comparative near anatomist
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of his time and his central goal was to
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understand the evolution of the
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vertebrate brain and the evolution of
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vertebrate cognition he thought that
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there is a one-to-one link between the
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structure of the brain and the structure
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of cognition according to decades of
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hard work he came up with a theory that
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candy can be exemplified in a single
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picture and that's this one first of all
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Lutie killing assumed that vertebrates
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began with fish and fish brain wise were
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merely just spinal cord with a little
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bit of brain stem then later on
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amphibians developed an amphibian
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developed one component of the basal
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ganglia and so had advanced cognitive
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properties relative to fish then came
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reptiles they added a second component
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to the basal ganglia and also therefore
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were able to improve
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different cognitive skills van came
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birds and they elaborated the second
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component of the basal ganglia in an
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extraordinary way
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and so improved their cognitive skills
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and finally there were mammals
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developing and mammals developed a
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cerebral cortex and you see the cerebral
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cortex here in a monkey brain a
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beautiful structure an unbelievably
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elegant anatomical structure giving us
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according to Ludwig eating up an
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unprecedented ability for cognitive
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properties and due to the presence of
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the cortex mammals are unbelievably
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smart so if that is true then the monkey
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should have a high potential for
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intelligence and the low determination
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due to its genetic properties which
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should be plastic in its behavior based
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on past experience while comparable to
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that the pigeon might be much more
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limited in its cognitive properties
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because as you see there is nothing like
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a cortex here in the pigeon brain and as
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a result the pigeon should be low in its
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cognitive properties and should be
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strongly determined by its genes is that
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true for a century we thought that this
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is true for a century we looked through
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the theory of lewdly adding onto the
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brain and onto the cognitive properties
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of all vertebrate animals and for
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hundred years all of our nomenclature
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all of our theories were geared towards
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this basic theory and it turned out that
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this theory is wrong and it's
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unbelievably wrong for several reasons
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one strong reason are the development of
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cognitive tests on birds for example on
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Corvettes we meanwhile know that
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Corvettes are able to come up with
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cognitive achievements that are on par
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with chimpanzees in the background you
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see a New Caledonian crow which is a
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Corvette and on the left side you see a
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beautiful picture of a New Caledonian
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crow taken by gaven hundreds
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scientists in New Zealand and Gavin
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discovered that these animals assembled
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two different kinds of tools and with
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these tools they go hunting and they are
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very successful hunters and you see that
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this animal has a hook in its beak and
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it's crafts this hooks by its own and on
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the right side you see a video and I
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will start it soon this is a video from
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the lab of Alex Katz Alec in Oxford and
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Alex had a large number of Caledonian
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crows in his lab and on the right side
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you will see a video of patty a female
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Caledonian crow that was used to have
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two different kinds of instruments on
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the table one was a wire without a hook
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useless and the other one was was a wire
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with a hook very useful and with that
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hooked wire batty was used to take out
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little baskets full of food out of this
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glass tube but one damn Monday morning
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there was only the straight wire and
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there was no training beforehand no
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training at all how to make hooks now
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look at that
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well this oh yes now it starts
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you see straight wire doesn't work
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frustration on Monday
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there you go there's no training
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involved so this is an invention by
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Patty and she does it over and over and
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over again so now we switch to the next
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picture
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because there is one thing that apes
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could do that carrots could not do at
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least it was supposed to and that's self
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recognition in the mirror only a very
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small number of animals are able to do
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that among them humans chimps and
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orangutans so we tested Magpies which
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are Corvettes in my lab in boham for
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self recognition in the mirror what we
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did was to place black or yellow marks
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in that region at this throat region
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where the animals are unable to see
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themselves a black mark on a black
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plumage is not visible even when you
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look into the mirror so it did not make
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a difference if the animals had a mirror
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or not with a black mark they were
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practically not scratching themselves at
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that spot but if you give them a yellow
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mark and give them a mirror that's what
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happens so you see Katy one of her animals being
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confronted with a mirror and you see
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that Gertie has a yellow spot on the
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throat at least you should see it but
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you don't see maybe I should push the
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button the second time no oh it's there
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oh yes sorry for that so Gary has looked
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into the mirror and now swept away the
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mark final quality control Garrity is
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happy again so now we have facing a
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problem here is an animal with eight
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gram of brain and this brain has no
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cortex and it is cognitively on par with
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chimpanzees that have 400 gram of brain
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and a cortex so there is cognition
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without cortex and this cognition seems
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miraculously to be able to come out of
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these little brains
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how do they do that to understand this
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we congregated about 20 years ago in
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Duke we means about 30 neuroscientists
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from all over the world and the central
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question was how is that possible
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we're following a theory since hundred
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years and this theory is falling apart
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what is the correct answer to the
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question how what happened during the
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evolution of the bird brain and after
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hard time of a hard week of work we came
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up with a new theory that replaces the
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theory of Ludvig eating according to the
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old view that you see as a caricature
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there on the left side you see zebra
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finch brain and most of that brain is in
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pink and you see on the right side the
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human brain and you see there is a pink
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region this is the basal ganglia and
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there are only a little bit of green in
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the bird brain on the left side and this
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little bit of green is the pallium right
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side most of the cortex which is pale
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yellow is green now according to the new
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view we know that most of the forebrain
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of birds is green is paleo and some of
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this volume in birds is directly
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homologous also to the cortex of mammals
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so the tissue that Birds got from the
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common ancestor is the same homologue
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tissue as the mammalian pallium and some
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of them is also one-to-one homologue to
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the cortex but the organization of that
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volume is vastly different that means
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that the organization of our cortex in
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the way it's lamination is in the way
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its internal connectivities seems only
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one out of many different solutions that
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are needed to churn out high complex
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cognitive properties but is indeed the
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bird brain so vastly different we have
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to go into the details to find an answer
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few years ago I came together with a
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couple of friends and we created the
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first pigeon the first bird connectome
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the connectome is a graph theoretical
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analysis of all of the connectivity of a
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brain that can be treated with
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mathematic
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James and on the left side you see a
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pigeon brain with all the different
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components and the connectivity on on
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the right side you see a more formal
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depiction of the connectome of the
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pigeon I'm not going into the details
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here the only thing I can say to you is
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the following in its very core the
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connecthome of the pigeon is very very
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similar to the connectome of the human
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brain the monkey brain and the cat brain
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so at the very core this vastly
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differently organized brain has a very
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similar organization in its connectivity
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and you can now dive even deeper we went
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into this micro circuits that generate
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certain cognitive properties we were
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interested in short-term memory on the
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left side you see human brain and one
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area is highlighted the prefrontal
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cortex the area that is the most central
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aspect of the brain to generate
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short-term memory and we have a
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comparable region even in the pigeon
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brain and if we look at the micro
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circuits that generate short-term memory
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we discover that it's very very similar
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cellular components that create
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short-term memory so in the very end
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there is nothing new Under the Sun
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nature seems to have limited degrees of
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freedom when it comes to the details
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limited degrees of freedom when it comes
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to the general organization of a brain
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with respect to connectivity limited
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degrees of freedom when it comes to
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create micro circuits to produce certain
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kind of cognitive properties limited
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degrees but large degrees of freedom to
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create differently looking brains in
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their general appearance three things we
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can learn from here first indeed there
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is cognition without cortex the
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lamination that most of the aspects of
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the cortex are not necessarily needed to
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churn out high complex cognitive
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properties second if we dive into the
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details we see how limited the
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repertoire of nature seems to be how
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much nature repeats itself to come up
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with always the same
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and third yes that's an important lesson
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lutely hearing I said form before
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function I look at your brain and I tell
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about your cognition he was wrong
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its function before form we cannot
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predict we cannot predict cognition just
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by looking at the brain structure thanks
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a lot

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