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will all have Ukraine with your well-known

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and beloved Roman Tsymbalyuk

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Greetings, I’m very glad to see

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sucker twells and Ukraine gammajo

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Hello Gela Listen, let’s

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change the format a little today You

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can explain to us now, just

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somehow I’m The further It's almost the

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first anniversary of the full-scale

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Russian invasion, what position does

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Georgia and the Georgian state take,

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therefore, for now because it's been the last

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year? We have, well, only such messages

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coming from Georgia that force

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us to conclude that Georgia is taking an

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absolutely pro-Russian pro-Russian

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vector and the cherry on top of this about the Russian

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vector there is

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politics or persecution or something in

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Clear No way this is in Russian well, in general, Misha

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Saakashvili, our citizen, by the way, is sitting

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in your prison Well, I mean, in Georgian And

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if I were thinking out loud like that, that

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is, they would like to somehow- then to

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smooth out this situation, they would just take it and

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say you’re not a Georgian you’re now a Ukrainian here’s a

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suitcase Kiev station But it turns out

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how it turns out Well and here is a clogged

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Georgian military road in transit with

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chickens to the Russian Federation

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air traffic in Russia Georgia

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the idea of restoring it is with the fact that with the

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European Union so for a second

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of this message No, that is, I mean,

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here we have not something like how to

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write this, this is this feeling of

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some kind of bewilderment in the position of Georgia

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now and in words that say that

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in the future Peaceful the treaty should

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stipulate the withdrawal between Ukraine and Russia, the

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withdrawal of Russian troops from Abkhazia to

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South Ossetia. I personally

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want to emphasize this absolutely. I just can’t

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understand one thing. If you pose the question like

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this, then why are there statements coming from Tbilisi

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there when it’s not like we are there

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strongly

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we need the missiles for beech that we

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sold to you

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Yes, they sold us, they didn’t give us a gift Namely, they sold me,

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I understand all this, but if in Tbilisi

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they say that you want to drag us into a war

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with Russia And you don’t want to get drawn in and

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that’s normal, a war is dragging on. We did

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n’t want them either in 1914 and I think in

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1991, you didn’t really want it either,

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but who, as they say, asks, but if

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you don’t want to get involved, how

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then does it

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communicate with the peace treaty

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bypassing the Southern Network?

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So we have time

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to change, there’s no time to talk because

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I can talk about this topic for a long time in

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fact, if if you just

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answer the question of whether the policy of

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the authorities is pro-Russian, this [ __ ]

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do it. Sorry, I definitely have to

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say this, that at the same time in

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Tbilisi there are more Ukrainian flags in Tbilisi than

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Georgian ones, now I understand correctly

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absolutely correctly, that is, let's go

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right away It’s not that I’m not a supporter of the fact that

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when we talk about the fact that in Georgia

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they support Ukraine and so on, I’m not

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a supporter of the fact that

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Collective responsibility does not

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exist, it does exist, it exists

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not only for Russian citizens, but it

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also exists for citizens, and of course,

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citizens of Georgia bear collective

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responsibility for the politics of their power

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and now it would be wrong to deny this

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point of view and completely different points

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now, as for the position,

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it is pro-Russian, there are several

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very important reasons for this, the

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first reason is that the

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internal political context What is

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called that that Ukraine

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is considered by the Georgian authorities as a

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medical force because Ukraine

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is considered a

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national movement as Ukraine is equal to

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Saakashvili Ukraine is equal to a single

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national movement Yes on A yes And most

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importantly How the Georgian government is structured The

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Georgian government is structured You need to

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understand the Georgian state well when we

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talk about a hybrid democracy or are they

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completely democracies and so on these

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all these the most

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this

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is not a patronal system patron client

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where usually in Georgia they say the feudal

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ladder is not quite like that but something like at the

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top further there is

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basically any power another thing is that

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there are democratic institutions that

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limit And there is something that does not

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limit in Georgia today

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the main patron

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decides all the questions and what we say in the

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regions of Georgia are immediately specified,

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this is about the position,

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everyone else is the executor,

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that is

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the case. Sorry, I understand correctly due to the

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fact that Saakashvili became a Ukrainian, and he

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really loves Misha very much.

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That’s true, he’s like that here, let’s

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say. No, the thing is that in Ukraine

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he was not the president and he has the halo of a

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human re operator, that is, well, this is

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from the region, do not confuse tourism with

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immigration. That is, when he came to us he

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became a Ukrainian, this is a completely

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different moment, the mouse is not the power.

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She is it’s so bilateral. It’s

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not only successes, there are a lot of

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broken schemes and essentially broken ones, and people and

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many people don’t like it, but I mean what

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happens now is that this

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personal fact itself is that Ukraine is kind

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of tuned in to the Georgian

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opposition now and this is breaking the relations

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between states, this is one of the factors,

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let’s just start with just one of the

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factors, as for Ukraine, and

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relations in Ukraine are very different,

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just like in Georgia; moreover, I

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have friends,

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colleagues, who, indeed, friendly

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relations are absolutely wrong

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and the like, but with which we have

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behind the scenes We do not discuss the topic of Saakashvili

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because they know that they can

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offend me with their attitude Saakashvili

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famous Ukrainian experts very

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famous

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very famous Ukrainian Expert we have

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business with us it is clear that we have 100

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150 opinions but I say that if in

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general, here’s

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to conduct a poll on the street, how do you

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feel about Saakashvili and who is he? The

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basic answers will be that he is a

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man who

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overcame corruption in Georgia, he is a cool

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person

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now. So then the second part, the second

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part, that and some water. They look at this

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country.

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This is such a joint-stock company.

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and in this case, Well, in this joint-stock

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company there is an

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option to earn good money, they personally

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don’t appreciate it personally. But personally, they don’t appreciate it.

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And this option should not be missed. This is the

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second and third Aspect.

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specifically in the Georgian government, but I already

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said that when I said it, I mean

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vanilla is broadcast further as for the

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whole and so on, you need to

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understand well that in terms of the level of support

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if we take other countries, I think

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that the level of support in Georgia in the

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Ukrainian society is in no way less than in

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Poland

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about all the others and more than in all

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other countries, let’s

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say this is a fact that does not

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even need sociology. Although

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sociology confirms this,

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but even here, as in that joke, there is a nuance, the

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following nuance is that

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you want the relay of fear as if

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we had it like Mariupol You want

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us to have it like it was in Kharkov

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Well, in principle, it also plays its role. The

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latest polls depress me.

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More than

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87 percent of the population of Georgia India is a

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national demographic institute

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that conducts surveys that no one

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sees on I always speak in them You need to

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see, you just need to kill them well,

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read them correctly

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because they really give an

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objective picture, you just need to be able to

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see this picture, and so more than 87

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percent of the population of Georgia supports

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Ukraine and considers their war to be theirs,

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at the same time, at the same time,

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more than 60 percent of the population of Georgia he is

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afraid of a war with Russia,

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what is the contradiction here and believes that the

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Georgian authorities, in general, are doing the right thing,

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that they are not irritating Russia,

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this is the moment, this is the moment, that not

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irritating Russia is right because

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but we are small, we were immediately given

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attempts in this matter in this but it also

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has its own truth because Georgia cannot

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be called a super military giant because a

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small small country undoubtedly

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has its own truth in this and is that what I’m

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saying that there is no Truth of its own, just

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attempts like mine to explain

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to the population what the guys really are

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real protection from Russia today is

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full-fledged membership in Ramstein,

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participation in all these military

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supplies and so on, then we have

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a chance to

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later receive support in general. To be

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in this, to be in this paradigm, to be

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in this system, and then we have

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a chance that they can’t fight us,

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but we actually invite them to

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fight us if it is necessary. Is

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this necessary for Russia today? Let’s ask ourselves this

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question: Is it necessary to seize resources today?

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They don’t have resources, even if they have them. It’s

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true that these troops are resources that in the

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Scandinavian region and Abkhazia will

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not be able to capture anything But let’s say they

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have resources Yes no They don’t need it now

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they need it now when I said

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that Georgia could get into Georgia could

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get into the ecosystem

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I think that Georgia has already gotten in

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already got in into the Russian ecosystem

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only seemingly outwardly it is imperceptible Yes, it is

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written in our Constitution that we

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strive for European integration We strive

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to join NATO this is a constitutional norm,

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among other things, we are

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Here recently our Talking Head

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who

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said that What kind of nonsense is it about the fact that

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they say gray and exports We have seven

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percent

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What kind of nonsense

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What made me smile

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Turkey and Turkey with Turkey Turkey is

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wrong with Turkey Turkey

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will not allow their schemes only on their schemes and

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doubts about Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and

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so the age has increased from Armenia by 150

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percent

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I am only in favor of Georgians expand

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Armenian trade relations, but I don’t

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understand 150 percent what could be

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supplied more this year in the

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second year, what Georgia could supply more

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than in 2021, what such a

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strategic thing appeared in Georgia

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was needed.

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It’s

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clear that this goes

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through 3

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and look how great they are

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associated with the member agreement

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Georgia has a free trade agreement between the USSR and the European Union.

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Georgia is a window.

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Well, the Russians are now really

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creating an ecosystem that will help

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Russia survive,

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and in this system to survive, it’s a

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very profitable ecosystem

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to participate in, and so they are participating in it.

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But all this talk about the fact that they

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want to drag us into war, and so on and so

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forth, this is talk in favor of

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the poor, this is a conversation in order to

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simply

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have one more point, very simple.

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Lavrov recently began to praise

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Georgia, but then he will say that look,

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this is the case when Lavrov begins

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to praise This is the

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first sign of danger, here another question

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is: Why does Lavrov suddenly start?

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Why would it even be the last time he said

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the following: what are we now? Many may

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think that I almost want to

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set up the Georgian authorities. But

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believe me, this is not so, but Let’s look at

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what they say Well, really, let's look at what they say,

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in fact, there are actually three reasons, the

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first reason is internal Lavrov.

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He is reconstructing for his Russian

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average what guys: Yes, we

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really have difficulties, but there are

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positive dynamics, look with whom

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here there is a country called Georgia where he doesn’t

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say we occupied

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but everyone knows that we occupied and

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everyone knows that they occupied even

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Georgia, what a positive

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trend we have, look here because this is an

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indicator This is the first moment But this is not the

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second moment it’s great that Kiev

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is all moments in order to

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irritate,

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and finally you will meet this, the creation of

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this ecosystem when it is said that

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Guys,

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be loyal to us and we will not threaten your

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power,

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your power will not be threatened by anything

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because besides brute military force

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there are also other components inside that, to put it

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mildly

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they can destabilize the situation there, that is,

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they have settled down well, as they think,

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they have settled down well, as for the West,

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in the West

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and in the West, in the same Washington,

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the thing is when

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[music]

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reports began to appear that

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possible stations against Georgia in the event of the

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resumption of air traffic with Russia

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This suggests that everyone sees everything and

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it’s like this in the language of diplomacy it’s

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called a signal that needs to be

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[music]

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relayed or somehow deciphered

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in this way, our dear

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loaf and tone bulb, decide which

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side is correct. I understand

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them completely in that way. If if they they

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would say that there would be these, what’s

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his name, that there would be such an ultimatum, we would

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be from Russia, then

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Russia would not be satisfied with something And they

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are satisfied with everything, that’s the whole point No, I

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mean that this is the message I will say It’s not

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that it’s the West telling Georgia that you

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will decide Which side it doesn’t

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say the smell Unfortunately, in

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fact, it’s enough. I said that the

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polygraphic photography system is a

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system,

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in many respects it’s quite

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effective because one person

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makes a decision and his will in general -is

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carried out by the authorities, but it has a

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big minus for the authorities themselves,

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let’s say it’s a big threat, like

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any authoritarian regime, enough,

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that is, it’s enough for the West to tell exactly

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its niche. Listen, man,

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we’ll block everything for you. But it’s clear that

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he has, not

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only in Georgia, some... then the assets and it

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seems he has a small part of some

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assets Although he seems to be the way to Georgia what

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he has transferred whatever it is How is it in

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this servant of the people to some blind

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Jew

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blind blind

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West Can do it at any moment

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can do it precisely because it can do it at

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any moment

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This is the position of Georgia that suits me

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I’m already reaching I’m already coming to this

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conclusion because well, I’ll say again at

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any moment just one phrase that

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guy, we’ll cut off your oxygen and

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do it like this

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and it won’t go anywhere,

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in this case let’s

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say it’s

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good intentions good wishes

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Namely, as you know,

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the road is paved now. So this means

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one more point. This is about

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yes, as I understand it, now you have Russian

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men of military age, but you can

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form several divisions directly in

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Georgia, Russian,

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of course, this and the like,

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look in reality if the

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reserved term Russian is leaving

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one way or another, friends, one of those countries

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where which One of the main

00:19:19

languages of communication with the outside world is

00:19:24

Yes, there is a

00:19:25

generational gap, there are young people who

00:19:28

speak Russian to me, they

00:19:30

speak English,

00:19:38

and that means

00:19:40

people of the older generation, some are good,

00:19:44

some are not by the way, someone has already forgotten

00:19:47

I know many of my respondents are simply not

00:19:50

from Georgia, our experts don’t

00:19:54

come to me on the air anymore when Well, come with

00:19:57

you and we’ll talk about loading I

00:19:59

forgot The Russian says I’m ashamed I’m

00:20:04

ashamed to speak such Russian I

00:20:06

say Nothing there’s nothing terrible I

00:20:07

can’t listen to talk, it’s inconvenient Yours mine doesn’t

00:20:10

understand They’ll say I’m illiterate Well, in general, one way

00:20:13

or another, among other things,

00:20:16

Georgia has a very super liberal visa

00:20:18

regime, they already know that Not only for everyone,

00:20:22

that is, you come, you’ve

00:20:25

crossed the border Live as long as you want for a year,

00:20:27

then you leave for two hours to some

00:20:30

other country and again

00:20:32

you go and again for a year in Georgia there is a very

00:20:36

very

00:20:38

soft regime for registering enterprises and a

00:20:42

regime for opening accounts and so on, it’s true now

00:20:45

now, if when we talk about

00:20:52

financial monitoring in Georgia is

00:20:57

stricter than even in the European Union, this is due

00:21:01

to other reasons I’ll tell you

00:21:04

why Because we have almost all

00:21:06

banks in all banks there is a large share of

00:21:10

participation of foreign banks

00:21:12

tbc and the bank of Georgia they mean they trade

00:21:18

their shares

00:21:20

That’s who is afraid of sanctions the most

00:21:24

there in order to open an account with any

00:21:27

foreigner not with a Russian with any a

00:21:29

foreigner who is the founder,

00:21:32

for this it is necessary

00:21:34

that it was a week earlier, so

00:21:39

you go in and open it in five minutes a week

00:21:43

so that you can be considered

00:21:48

as a contribution, they can

00:21:50

refuse you, they can

00:21:53

That is, these are such strict conditions,

00:21:56

Russians simply stupidly do not open accounts,

00:21:59

even with great connections,

00:22:03

even of acquaintances, that is

00:22:09

I won’t say the name of one very well-known citizen of Russia now,

00:22:11

I had to call

00:22:13

one of the directors of the bank. Listen, he’s

00:22:16

yours, he’s good,

00:22:18

open it yourself, please,

00:22:22

and with great difficulty they opened an account for him

00:22:24

at all.

00:22:27

But let’s say this is one question for

00:22:33

those who need it.

00:22:35

Those who are really involved in some- then the

00:22:38

schemes,

00:22:39

taking into account the fact that there are banks that are

00:22:42

directly connected with the government, will

00:22:45

eventually

00:22:48

open an account and everything is clear,

00:22:53

we are talking about those who in

00:22:56

Georgia have a word with patrons, that is, a person who

00:22:59

does not have a patron, a person who is

00:23:01

not even the owner there who could

00:23:05

take care of him and promote here we are talking about

00:23:07

Russian cartridges like these that

00:23:09

you can’t open for those who definitely need to

00:23:12

open Well, this is roughly the

00:23:14

situation, but now I’m talking about something else in

00:23:17

2014,

00:23:20

few people talk about 2014, few people know in 2014,

00:23:29

and let’s just say there were several

00:23:33

moments there it was that yes Super

00:23:35

liberal This is the Tax Code

00:23:37

plus it was possible to rent out

00:23:39

an apartment in Moscow if you had two, it’s even better to live here

00:23:41

you’ll find it’s cheap it was now all of this

00:23:43

collapsed but one way or another the place was

00:23:45

lured

00:23:46

when February poured in, then September,

00:23:49

and so on

00:23:51

now today there are different estimates,

00:23:55

the authorities say 170 180 thousand they

00:23:58

no longer believe the authorities that this exists, or else

00:24:02

this is a serious demographic thing,

00:24:06

what happens is that even now I’m not saying

00:24:09

Good Bad I’m just saying the facts it

00:24:12

turns out that this group makes up

00:24:15

from 5 to 8 percent of the country’s population

00:24:18

This is serious now Imagine in

00:24:22

Ukraine 58 percent Convert into numbers, then let's

00:24:25

move on,

00:24:28

this group is not at all inclined to

00:24:32

any kind of integration, so

00:24:35

on, they create their own money,

00:24:38

their own infrastructure,

00:24:40

in fact, the majority work

00:24:43

remotely, do not pay taxes with them from

00:24:45

taxes, I am now still for taxes, but

00:24:50

they are an absolutely isolated group

00:24:53

and they do not strive for any kind of Well, yes, some

00:24:56

of them are trying to want to learn the language and so

00:24:59

on, but this is a smaller part, yes. Even those

00:25:01

who want to learn a language, in principle,

00:25:03

they already have their own Circle, their own bars,

00:25:08

this does not mean that if I go there, this

00:25:10

bar will refuse me,

00:25:13

but nevertheless, this is a Ghetto of some

00:25:15

kind somewhere, and somewhere in the

00:25:18

literal sense of the word somewhere in

00:25:19

order to protect myself from strangers and for Not

00:25:22

because they drove me,

00:25:23

well, plus of course it can to be a plus, this is

00:25:28

the flow of currency. But this reduced the

00:25:36

national currency as a result, the national currency soared.

00:25:43

What is the social tension leading to in Georgia? Do

00:25:44

you think people will come out on the

00:25:46

street? No. The people vote, especially the

00:25:48

youth vote with their feet. Without

00:25:50

Europe,

00:25:52

young Georgians simply respect Europe,

00:25:57

that is,

00:26:00

objectively. this is an objective

00:26:03

picture of how but the authorities are

00:26:06

not doing anything. I don’t know what needs to be done, how to

00:26:08

do it,

00:26:09

but the authorities don’t pay attention at all. Why don’t

00:26:12

you

00:26:16

come here? If you come for a year and

00:26:19

then another year, then this is no longer tourism.

00:26:22

to another that these are tourists This is good

00:26:25

because money is coming to us from the other

00:26:28

side Yes, trade is reviving and so

00:26:30

on And for the first time since 2014,

00:26:33

for the first time 51 percent of the population said that the

00:26:37

country is moving in the right direction,

00:26:41

this has not always been the case, the majority were

00:26:44

there for 80 percent in the wrong

00:26:47

direction

00:26:51

Georgian rating dreams is 26

00:26:53

percent

00:26:55

20 percent this is a huge number considering

00:26:58

that the next party is the largest

00:27:00

positional national movement it has

00:27:03

a rating of 6 percent the

00:27:04

rest do not have this,

00:27:07

all state employees therefore feel very comfortable

00:27:14

when they tell me that’s why they don’t go out

00:27:16

into the streets, the guys came out and 100 thousand

00:27:19

came out and 50 thousand came out And 20

00:27:23

thousand how many times did they come out I’m not saying

00:27:26

there support

00:27:29

support for Ukraine it’s clear

00:27:32

no protest came out

00:27:35

in different ways 100 thousand 120 thousand came out

00:27:39

When against the policy of the authorities When they did

00:27:42

n’t let us

00:27:43

say something like that to leave

00:27:46

but without the

00:27:49

political will of political parties

00:27:51

without

00:27:53

support From the outside, without very many

00:27:56

factors, it is doomed,

00:27:58

but it is doomed as long as you want, they will

00:28:02

sit and argue with the TV.

00:28:06

And this is also a fact, you can explain

00:28:09

why the majority began to believe that the

00:28:12

country is developing in the right

00:28:14

direction. Yes, because

00:28:16

in December in December they raised salaries

00:28:21

for public sector employees and raised pensions for pensioners

00:28:23

for the first time in for many years,

00:28:27

for the first time in many years, the authorities with all the

00:28:30

iron and TV say that the guys are at

00:28:33

war everywhere, here the Armenians are

00:28:35

singing by the Azerbaijanis in Ukraine, watch

00:28:37

What is going on destabilization in Iran in

00:28:41

Turkey, the earthquake, by the way,

00:28:44

benefiting the dead

00:28:48

But here we are

00:28:50

calmly, this is the merit of the authorities

00:28:53

Yes, only only Abkhazia, South Ossetia

00:28:56

as was occupied and still remains

00:29:00

yesterday well said The main thing is the

00:29:05

dream

00:29:09

She raised the question why can we

00:29:13

take Abkhazia back by military means?

00:29:16

We can return it, there were no further questions

00:29:19

Why did the

00:29:22

issue of

00:29:24

territorial integrity, sovereignty,

00:29:26

I, the return of refugees today, take second third place?

00:29:34

I want to say that before the

00:29:37

full-scale invasion, we also had a

00:29:39

lot of people who thought that God bless this

00:29:40

Donbass. Let them live as they want,

00:29:44

they want in Russia. Let them go well, we

00:29:48

go our own way, in fact, the

00:29:50

worst period and the worst date in the

00:29:54

history of Ukraine was not what became the

00:29:57

trigger for the Maidan regarding integration,

00:30:02

when everything was handed over,

00:30:05

but how many people came out to protest

00:30:08

against the Kharkov agreements, not at all,

00:30:11

one thing I know is how someone called me from

00:30:14

some barracks at some protest and

00:30:16

said I’m protesting here Yes, in general,

00:30:18

it’s clear this is 2010 Yanukovych is in full

00:30:22

force, that is, that is, this is the

00:30:25

very same answer to the question Where are people? Where are people

00:30:28

looking? People and when do

00:30:30

Georgians write to me on Facebook? You are a mountain

00:30:32

people, where are you looking at me,

00:30:36

this proud people has been smiling since 1989, dying

00:30:40

fighting for their freedom, not only

00:30:43

by the way, your freedom, because I always

00:30:45

say that any fight against

00:30:47

Russian realism is a fight for ours

00:30:50

and yours, a

00:30:51

fight for everyone, but this is the structure of

00:30:56

the moment now, I could paint a very

00:30:58

dark picture, black I could

00:31:00

paint a rainbow picture, please

00:31:02

we we can do this, but let’s get an

00:31:08

objective picture. Let’s say it’s

00:31:11

dark gray,

00:31:14

and if we look

00:31:18

at what was

00:31:21

before February 24, then it was grayish,

00:31:24

now it’s darker. That’s

00:31:26

roughly the situation here. Who

00:31:30

came up with this idea with the

00:31:34

resumption of air traffic, that is

00:31:36

It’s clear that such things They are largely

00:31:38

symbolic, something will lead to

00:31:41

certain emotions Although if it’s like this

00:31:45

globally, I too would like there to be a message. In

00:31:47

general, I want there to be

00:31:49

air traffic between Kiev and

00:31:51

Moscow between the Ukrainian Crimea and

00:31:53

Russian cities. I too, just how

00:31:57

it was up to the age of 14

00:32:00

And now

00:32:03

what I said is that this statement It

00:32:05

even caused the beginning of Georgia, in fact

00:32:09

[music]

00:32:11

in Moscow

00:32:13

you came up with and this is the most wonderful thing

00:32:19

and the reaction of our authorities is the same

00:32:23

interesting We didn’t invite messages

00:32:25

and without a message they stopped and

00:32:29

then there was two years ago about

00:32:33

this, the

00:32:35

fact that he sat down in the speaker’s chair Well, off

00:32:38

we go

00:32:40

As he says, they drove us out of Georgia with sled rags,

00:32:45

which in principle they did the right thing, of

00:32:47

course, But the question is different, the

00:32:50

question is a question than the question is that

00:32:53

we really didn’t stop But then

00:32:56

I I remember well the conversations Reflections on

00:33:00

artivitis on other channels of

00:33:03

Russian experts about that I

00:33:07

had a gift for you, even

00:33:10

so that from the city

00:33:13

I would calm him down, don’t worry As

00:33:16

soon as Russia bans something, a

00:33:18

boom

00:33:20

really begins in our country That year,

00:33:23

Georgia broke all records in tourism,

00:33:26

probably

00:33:27

until the age of 22, now you know tourism, and I

00:33:37

also came from Russia a lot, but

00:33:40

I came from other countries Yes, and now I come

00:33:42

from other countries Why not

00:33:46

come though Now now I think it’s

00:33:50

very difficult Well, we arrived

00:33:55

well, it seems like the prices have risen, which means

00:34:00

to have a rest in Georgia But if,

00:34:04

roughly speaking, someone is

00:34:06

bigger or in Israel he sees a person in

00:34:10

Georgia higher than in Turkey and the same as

00:34:13

in Milan or there, then

00:34:16

we know where he will go. I know

00:34:21

where he will go. Well, they are such big

00:34:23

fans. Therefore,

00:34:25

you need to take into account but the guys are

00:34:28

not focused on

00:34:31

long-term moments, they are focused on

00:34:33

making money now,

00:34:35

so we see the result of all this, and the

00:34:39

state environment created by Misha, they

00:34:41

work and outwardly Everything looks

00:34:44

decorously noble, like the old days. Yes, it can’t

00:34:48

be

00:34:52

about the same thing with us now.

00:34:59

Explain What is the reason that not as if from the

00:35:04

point of view of politics and diplomacy there, it

00:35:07

seems from the outside, at least the

00:35:12

Georgian authorities

00:35:14

would simply be more profitable to

00:35:17

deport Misha to Ukraine, why did I

00:35:19

tell them, but he is in prison,

00:35:21

then the president of us, who, in principle, is

00:35:24

quite busy, remembered that

00:35:27

Misha Misha Saakashvili is a citizen of Ukraine,

00:35:29

what are you doing with him, but that is, there are

00:35:32

situations when

00:35:34

public mockery or something like

00:35:37

you in the public consciousness Yes,

00:35:40

even

00:35:44

for the purity of my words, I will say that you

00:35:48

can always question what is

00:35:50

actually happening but in the

00:35:51

public consciousness of Ukraine over Misha is being

00:35:53

bullied, tortured, uh, well, on the other

00:35:57

hand, the photographs speak for themselves, the

00:35:59

photographs, the videos, it’s

00:36:02

something to come up with. Here’s the video, here are the

00:36:04

photographs. Well, you don’t need anything else, this is a

00:36:06

visa. And here’s the question, and I

00:36:09

get the feeling that Misha is being

00:36:11

tortured, tortured in real sense, so

00:36:13

that if I remember Putin’s words

00:36:15

which are in one of the newspapers and then they are

00:36:17

mine there, we Saakashvili are 200 each,

00:36:21

well, that is, it turns out that the current

00:36:25

government is fulfilling this cherished desire of

00:36:29

Vladimir Putin. And my question is this:

00:36:32

Well, okay,

00:36:33

as you said here already feudalism

00:36:36

Misha doesn’t fit into it, many people And

00:36:39

by the way, you and I also talked about this, we are wondering

00:36:41

why he came, but what

00:36:43

happened happened and at first

00:36:46

glance it seems that he was just so to

00:36:48

speak Get out of here, get out of your Kiev

00:36:49

Let the Russian bomb kill you there

00:36:53

no longer Georgians Why do they endure

00:36:56

all these

00:36:58

political consequences from what I

00:37:00

listed when we talked about the specifics of the

00:37:03

Georgian government? I think only on the

00:37:05

third point is the fear of Putin,

00:37:08

in this case they are

00:37:12

much more afraid of Putin and Putin’s reaction to the fact

00:37:14

that they relate much more than the

00:37:18

reaction of the West of Ukraine there or

00:37:21

someone else if something happens to Saakashvili and

00:37:24

then I think that they will simply bring him

00:37:26

to disability, if already

00:37:28

and when they are sure that he will be brought

00:37:31

to complete disability then I think that

00:37:35

they will just do like this a gesture of

00:37:38

goodwill began, this is what gestures of goodwill can do.

00:37:42

Well, that’s roughly the

00:37:44

explanation I have. Although I say again, it

00:37:46

would certainly not be possible to explain this with psychological

00:37:49

dependencies or some

00:37:50

peculiarities, but I think

00:37:54

that no, there is a more rational

00:37:56

reason

00:37:57

to do everything equal Sorry, but I

00:38:00

really don’t understand. You say fear

00:38:01

of Putin, what does fear mean that he will

00:38:04

start bombing Tbilisi?

00:38:10

How is it possible?

00:38:15

They understand this is a very fundamental

00:38:19

question, how fundamental is the question?

00:38:26

You mean physical personally,

00:38:29

what are the problems?

00:38:33

Well, I don’t know, I think that the Georgian of the

00:38:36

political elite, the security is also

00:38:38

normal, the

00:38:40

security may be normal, but there

00:38:42

the Agent is sitting on the agents, chasing now

00:38:46

what to lie down with and everyone understands this perfectly well,

00:38:49

seven are filtered, everyone

00:38:51

[music]

00:38:52

But I don’t have it, I say it again, it may be

00:38:56

convincing itself, but this is

00:38:57

the only one because I have no

00:38:59

other options, I have no option that

00:39:02

you decided to hate so much what he wants,

00:39:09

but this is even less likely than what is

00:39:20

surprising. It seems to me that there is still

00:39:23

one more point, maybe maybe I have it. they

00:39:31

didn’t

00:39:33

move him, there are people who simply don’t

00:39:36

tell him or they just put Akashvili into one piece of information

00:39:38

and says that it’s all a simulation,

00:39:41

we don’t need it, let it

00:39:43

be if we send him

00:39:46

when the truth is, the situation will be difficult,

00:39:49

maybe so, I don’t know.

00:39:55

I’m against this version because that she

00:39:58

then pushes me to the conclusion that I’m an

00:40:01

idiot. It seems to me that maybe it’s

00:40:05

not like I’m not talking about it, that it’s

00:40:08

somehow

00:40:09

[music]

00:40:11

Well, I

00:40:16

actually have more during our conversation,

00:40:19

I understand because it’s logical

00:40:22

wrongly

00:40:40

freezes

00:40:42

the case Explain this point I just

00:40:45

said, but it’s clear my subjective

00:40:46

opinion that Saakashvili as a whole in Ukraine

00:40:49

here, well, they love, respect, the word

00:40:51

love, it’s probably very

00:40:53

applicable. But to explain this, the

00:40:58

party is smaller, that is, here if

00:41:02

there are elections, the elections of

00:41:04

all Juventus Wright Swatch will come and

00:41:07

every person will be able to vote and

00:41:10

no one will have any doubts about the

00:41:11

particular elections of Georgia, Misha can

00:41:15

return

00:41:16

to the top position of Georgian politics or is

00:41:19

this all history? Maybe of course, but

00:41:22

simply The only thing is Misha or

00:41:26

but Misha And Misha’s party, maybe this

00:41:28

moment just leads to the fact that they

00:41:30

are keeping him in prison, that Misha’s party

00:41:34

has 6 percent of supporters, which is much

00:41:37

less now than it was six months ago,

00:41:41

up to 20 reached 6 percent Well, well,

00:41:45

in general, in the elections, Saakashvili’s party

00:41:49

20 percentage is gaining ironically in

00:41:53

fair elections it will be

00:41:56

about the same as the Georgian

00:42:01

dream,

00:42:02

approximately the same, but at the same time all the

00:42:05

other opposition parties

00:42:07

will also gain something like three percent 4

00:42:11

percent five percent and so on, and in

00:42:13

this case

00:42:16

Saakashvili is already forming a coalition

00:42:19

government the dream remains not the authorities

00:42:20

as soon as

00:42:23

they don’t have an ideological core what

00:42:26

were you Misha no

00:42:31

This is a scenario that, in general, sooner

00:42:34

or later seems to happen. Maybe that’s why

00:42:37

Misha is being kept in prison. I mean that’s why

00:42:39

Well, I understand that they

00:42:43

can

00:42:44

expand power through elections

00:42:47

How often it happens from democratic countries

00:42:49

they return power it will be a

00:42:50

coalition there will not be Saakashvili’s power

00:42:54

and here the most interesting thing is the most

00:42:57

interesting I am almost sure that the

00:42:59

condition for a coalition

00:43:01

for the opposition parties will be that

00:43:04

they did not agree should not be,

00:43:13

but let me then rephrase the question

00:43:17

we have in this But we are in Georgian

00:43:19

politics Well, excuse me, we don’t understand, I

00:43:22

think this will be very interesting for many people. It’s interesting,

00:43:24

but it’s clear that this is a parliamentary

00:43:29

parliamentary republic, respectively, the

00:43:31

prime minister is the most important president,

00:43:36

respectively, the president is more like that

00:43:38

[music] now,

00:43:40

if Misha says, Saakashvili’s name will be

00:43:44

on the list of people for the position

00:43:47

of President he can be elected president

00:43:56

Why Because Well, firstly, we no longer have

00:43:58

direct elections But if there were direct

00:44:00

elections, by the way, yes, rather no than yes,

00:44:03

because even

00:44:04

20-25 percent of support

00:44:36

[music]

00:44:47

they are all the same,

00:44:51

this is the best position for the authorities

00:44:55

the best thing,

00:44:58

you know,

00:44:59

we've been talking for almost an hour,

00:45:04

can I just, I just think, I just

00:45:09

remember

00:45:11

[music]

00:45:12

my young reporting years and I

00:45:16

recorded an interview with Mikheil Saakashvili

00:45:18

with the President of Georgia when he had already returned to us

00:45:21

and, accordingly, his access

00:45:23

there was easier then was to

00:45:25

arrange an interview with the head

00:45:27

of the state always always

00:45:30

So there is

00:45:32

a certain Sympathy personally and therefore

00:45:36

in this regard I just because

00:45:38

[music]

00:45:40

share

00:45:41

every people has the right to choose whoever

00:45:44

they want And we actually don’t interfere

00:45:46

But that’s how it is let's say torture

00:45:50

a person in public

00:46:05

What is Misha Misha is modernization

00:46:08

modernization is a

00:46:10

difficult process I will tell this story

00:46:13

after the

00:46:16

defeat of the national in the elections when I

00:46:19

decided the second journey into politics

00:46:22

was called I decided I saw that something was

00:46:25

falling so that there was an opposition and I decided to

00:46:30

return and so My friend and I are at the

00:46:33

Khabaz club, who today, by the way, is in Ukraine

00:46:34

and writes

00:46:36

smoky posts about this hero of

00:46:39

the Revolution. By the way, he was the one who

00:46:42

broke through on the bridge by standing opposite you, the

00:46:50

free zone,

00:46:53

and so we came to the notary, and

00:46:58

of course everyone recognizes him less than me.

00:47:00

But him everyone knows and so we sign

00:47:04

these documents. And there

00:47:08

was a woman under 60 who was filling out one,

00:47:11

printing something, and so on. I

00:47:13

like you very much in the club, but

00:47:15

you know, that’s when you were in power.

00:47:22

I turned around and asked. Sorry.

00:47:29

How does she say what, what will they put me in prison,

00:47:34

and what? there is something that is profitable

00:47:37

to sit down for

00:47:40

But this fear really

00:47:43

existed,

00:47:46

I always said that Georgians are very

00:47:48

funny people if I say this, the definition of

00:47:50

the year Makharadze, our actor, sports

00:47:53

commentator, said that almost everyone

00:47:57

is sure that if football is played with the head, then with

00:48:00

the legs, and so on then he can

00:48:03

play with his hands once or twice; nothing should happen to him for this,

00:48:07

so

00:48:12

the majority, the vast majority of

00:48:14

Georgians forbade playing with his hands and

00:48:18

were very fined for it. But

00:48:21

we said that in this case we are not

00:48:23

for personal antipathies. Sympathy. But there is an

00:48:27

objective institution.

00:48:29

Yes. but at the same time, to my greatest

00:48:33

regret, there were all these people who,

00:48:37

even then,

00:48:39

and this, too, caused a great deal.

00:48:44

I understand why they were there. I understand that

00:48:47

this is politics. I understand that

00:48:50

Misha was not a dictator. No matter how much

00:48:53

they talk about dictatorship, and so on

00:48:56

Misha had a fairly serious system of

00:48:58

checks and balances and power

00:49:01

is a

00:49:03

complex mechanism,

00:49:05

unfortunately this was all and then,

00:49:07

of course,

00:49:09

not because it was raining on me, the

00:49:12

Russians are to blame, the sun is shining, the Russians are to

00:49:14

blame, this is a fact, Russia

00:49:17

used

00:49:20

all the knowledge, they know us very well and the

00:49:23

psychology is national so on, to

00:49:26

bring us to this

00:49:28

and all at the same time, the United States,

00:49:32

if we say that they gave up, created

00:49:34

Saakashvili, the United States, when

00:49:38

they blessed him, did not go to power. Although it

00:49:45

was easy to predict what would happen, but the United States makes it easier for them,

00:49:48

they can make mistakes because

00:49:50

they they know that they can fix it at any time,

00:49:51

whenever they want, they have

00:49:56

it more difficult for us. I mean the Georgians too. This is

00:50:03

roughly the

00:50:05

sad picture we have.

00:50:09

Let’s

00:50:11

now try to summarize what awaits

00:50:15

Ukraine and Georgia as a state that is

00:50:19

actually in the same situation

00:50:21

Your territory is now occupied, we

00:50:22

even have already gone, it’s even an option of 20

00:50:26

percent

00:50:42

Why Because one way or another No matter how much

00:50:45

they manipulate the people No matter how much

00:50:48

they try, it is impossible to cancel the outcome of

00:50:51

history, another thing is that

00:50:54

all this comes at a very high price and And how

00:50:56

it turned out to do anything it’s quite

00:50:59

difficult to literally tear off your skin and it’s

00:51:03

very easy to lose

00:51:05

someone wanted to ask what kind of rumors

00:51:09

about personnel changes in the government, of

00:51:10

course I’m especially worried about Mr.

00:51:14

Defense It seems that he said that he’s

00:51:16

not leaving anywhere yet

00:51:18

[music]

00:51:19

there were reports that the decision has already been made

00:51:24

in the party servant of the people, but in this

00:51:29

case I will say this is the decision of the president of

00:51:32

the president and perhaps his

00:51:36

right hand

00:51:38

or the right and left hand of Andrei Ermak. I’m

00:51:43

talking about our influence. But nevertheless

00:51:46

[music]

00:51:48

We had such a series of corruption

00:51:52

scandals that

00:51:54

upset me, for example This story,

00:51:56

on the contrary, is somehow inspiring because

00:51:59

it suggests that

00:52:00

[music]

00:52:03

I would draw such conclusions, but

00:52:09

I don’t know how, this is always a

00:52:12

controversial issue in Ukrainian

00:52:14

society. It seems to me that a person’s guilt has

00:52:16

not been proven and at the same time he demonstrates

00:52:20

Results work, then this is not a reason

00:52:23

to fire him, and if he is fired in

00:52:26

such a situation, then perhaps this is a question

00:52:28

already internally, and so on,

00:52:31

so that simply political

00:52:33

responsibility is not his fault, he may not be

00:52:35

guilty.

00:52:36

Just well, here you need to understand well that

00:52:39

this is a war, which

00:52:42

you say correctly. I am interested in the

00:52:45

following This is what a

00:52:48

linguist supplies to Ukraine from the region or not,

00:52:50

and I can say for sure that

00:52:55

at least compared with the previous

00:52:57

Minister of Defense

00:52:59

appointed by Zelensky, now

00:53:02

everything is very, very good with us. As it will be, you just

00:53:05

understand now how

00:53:07

the institution works, and now they have changed the Minister

00:53:09

of Defense This means that all

00:53:11

purchase agreements at home, all of this

00:53:14

actually immediately stops and

00:53:16

they begin to carry out audits. But this is a

00:53:19

normal state process. That is,

00:53:21

I’m not creating idols for myself here. I

00:53:24

just know that, for example, there are

00:53:26

agreements there to

00:53:29

develop purchases and here are allies

00:53:32

about this. and publicly said that he has a lot

00:53:34

of people doing this, there is money

00:53:37

in the state. By the way, we have

00:53:39

so much money here. It’s just that some people think that there

00:53:41

is no money. Yes, there is nothing like that. Everything is there. And

00:53:44

now I am like this. This

00:53:47

Aspect interests me most of all, but also

00:53:49

with good things

00:53:51

In our case, we have other

00:53:53

ministers there, Minister Fedorov, who is

00:53:56

responsible for telecommunications figures, he is also

00:53:59

involved in this process, that is, there is a chance

00:54:02

that in this particular part there will be some kind of what is

00:54:04

called succession to him,

00:54:06

in general,

00:54:08

he can be appointed to the post of

00:54:10

Minister for Strategic

00:54:12

Industry and, accordingly This

00:54:15

suggests that all these processes, that

00:54:18

is, there will not be a clean slate, but the fact

00:54:21

remains that these are these.

00:54:23

But let’s say this again,

00:54:25

I’m not a supporter that there are some kind of

00:54:29

sacred cows or something else, but

00:54:31

there is some kind of solution Everything it’s still up to

00:54:34

the president, and I would really like

00:54:36

him to be aware of all the risks of

00:54:39

what’s happening.

00:54:41

If this is so, then it means only forward,

00:54:44

but it’s a little alarming because I

00:54:47

once again

00:54:48

emphasized that, in the opinion of many, the

00:54:51

previous person who held the

00:54:54

position of Minister of Defense before the war is his

00:54:56

can be

00:54:57

characterized by the letter D and the second o the

00:55:02

third l Well and so on When at the end there is

00:55:08

a bird that knocks on a tree That’s

00:55:11

when they

00:55:15

really weren’t in much of a hurry to

00:55:19

buy weapons because there were also some supplies there,

00:55:23

well, there are a lot of them you and I once

00:55:25

talked about what would happen here, how we were

00:55:28

preparing for war. This will be the most

00:55:29

discussed topic after

00:55:32

the war, and how much can and could it be

00:55:35

reduced The cost of this war for Ukraine, but

00:55:39

there are claims. You understand, when a

00:55:42

country

00:55:43

at war for two years has not

00:55:46

not a single bulletproof vest buys Well, you have

00:55:48

to agree, if you

00:55:50

have money, that’s what’s very important,

00:55:53

sometimes they even say that they’re poorer, that’s

00:55:56

all

00:55:58

[music]

00:56:00

I don’t know, oddly enough in this case,

00:56:03

Just knowing our political

00:56:08

intrigues there, we have some comrades the

00:56:11

power team, they believe that

00:56:14

if really bright people start working in Zelensky’s team,

00:56:17

then they need to

00:56:20

be removed because they shade

00:56:21

Zelensky and then

00:56:25

our

00:56:26

Leader is in charge, this is

00:56:30

kind of not good for rating plans. But if

00:56:33

they think so, then they are idiots. Because

00:56:36

when here there is, and in the military sphere,

00:56:40

I won’t name names here, there is such

00:56:42

jealousy towards some

00:56:44

people.

00:56:48

Well, that’s the right one. How to say it,

00:56:53

as it is, and the pledged pledged,

00:56:55

in particular, he was appointed indicated by

00:56:58

the President of Ukraine, you shouldn’t be afraid, you should

00:57:01

say that here I am from all this of the big

00:57:04

army chose the best commander.

00:57:07

But if you position it this way, then

00:57:10

you once again emphasize that these are

00:57:13

[music]

00:57:15

logical decisions because no one

00:57:17

will argue that the president in Ukraine is the

00:57:19

highest official, this is the truth and the truth,

00:57:23

these are the Facts, and so on, well in

00:57:26

general, there are a lot of nuances and this story

00:57:28

is I don’t perceive it in any

00:57:30

unambiguous way,

00:57:32

and I don’t perceive it unambiguously either.

00:57:34

Moreover, I will not hide now that

00:57:36

I have great sympathy for the signs.

00:57:39

Personally, I didn’t even know who it was before his

00:57:43

appointment, in fact, even I didn’t know

00:57:45

who it was after the war, they told me that

00:57:50

I have, let’s say,

00:57:54

they said that this is a good good

00:57:57

bad

00:58:03

time, time itself, practice has shown this

00:58:08

And I am very much really afraid that

00:58:10

this is the result of some kind of internal

00:58:12

squabbles

00:58:14

and not the fight against corruption, you can fight I

00:58:18

don’t believe in the fact that the Rezniks had something sparkling

00:58:20

in their pockets

00:58:22

And everything else you can

00:58:25

fight against corruption political responsibility

00:58:27

political responsibility Show

00:58:29

then after the war guys the main thing is that

00:58:31

mistakes are corrected but once again I say

00:58:33

who am I for the forest and

00:58:36

I will help you I am a citizen of Ukraine

00:58:39

now in place

00:58:41

It is proposed to appoint Budanov to the post of Minister of Defense

00:58:44

Kirill is a military officer, well,

00:58:50

by the way, a man with very good personal

00:58:53

merits and relations with the president,

00:58:56

the president trusts him Well, as far as I can

00:58:58

see this, the only question is that

00:58:59

you understand that these are actually two

00:59:02

different jobs: killing enemies and

00:59:05

organizing them death to

00:59:07

ensure the people who

00:59:09

organize the death of Russians on

00:59:11

Ukrainian lands is two different jobs.

00:59:15

That is, in general in our country, like in

00:59:19

all NATO states, there is a very clear

00:59:21

division, we have a military

00:59:24

general staff fighting, this is essentially separate, and the

00:59:27

Ministry of Defense is such a

00:59:29

civil body. Civil control but they

00:59:32

are responsible for procurement, that is, in essence, it is

00:59:34

divided;

00:59:35

I, if this appointment happens, of course,

00:59:38

I will do everything in my power to keep my fists for

00:59:41

Budanov so that all this works. It doesn’t matter who it

00:59:44

is, we will stand for everyone, but I do

00:59:47

n’t know how it will be. I don’t know yet.

00:59:53

we don’t know it won’t be and so on it’s

00:59:55

just the only thing I remember

01:00:04

about my beloved Although

01:00:08

some of my Kiev friends say

01:00:10

don’t go there it’s also then I love my

01:00:13

beloved So Valerichnoy on Mazepa

01:00:19

and there the

01:00:21

former prosecutor of Tbilisi told me

01:00:24

about that never wondered

01:00:26

How backward Russia speaks,

01:00:30

won, says speech, burns

01:00:35

I say No, well, I read a lot about it,

01:00:38

I’ll say it very simply, he said it and they went to die, they went

01:00:43

to die, as it were

01:00:51

And now I understand that this is a bit of a

01:00:54

naive view of history But there is

01:00:57

some kind of

01:00:58

seed in this The truth It seems to me that they are

01:01:02

gnawing here, so I hope I hope

01:01:06

that Tycoon of the game

01:01:08

I hope that everything that is not done is

01:01:12

all for the better because all the years

01:01:16

Ukraine,

01:01:17

thank you very much, we believe you and thank you to me

01:01:25

and Glory to Ukraine

01:01:28

Heroes, words are deeds Thank you for This is

01:01:30

what everyone explained to us about

01:01:33

the situation in Georgia

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