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[music]

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Good evening, dear friends, some

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topics Let me at forty now

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move some topics forward, it’s important to discuss with

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this group that we

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have gathered here today and I welcome

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Konstantin Borovoy, I welcome

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Sergei Lyubarsky, these are the people

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with whom we often share the screen and I

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know that you are following all our

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stories and our

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analysis of Konstantin and Sergei’s analysis and

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today the most important topic that the three of

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us would like to discuss and arrange Well,

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we can probably call it a debate Although

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this is not the same solemnity, of course

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our temperature is higher than

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these days, but nevertheless the topic is very

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important, first I will talk about the regulations and

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then I announced

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the topic, I propose 3 minutes for the

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initial setup, Konstantin

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Borovoy begins, since his story is like the

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impetus for the current conversation

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Sergei 3 minutes for the first answer

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to Konstantin, then, accordingly, 10

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minutes for the analysis of the position for each of you from the

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opposite side and the next 10

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minutes, again for the response

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argument, so to speak, but at the end the same 3 minutes

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that were said at the beginning to

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sum up each of you.

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So we look at 26 minutes twice,

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this is a reasonable duration of our broadcast. I

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think at the end Of course, we can

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exchange some more friendly

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statements addressed to each other, I’m glad to

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see you again, the topic of our conversation

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today is the topic that Konstantin threw at

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some time ago, the topic starts with the

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letter K, capitulation of Ukraine, is there a price for

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peace in Ukraine today, can Ukraine

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surrender without

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incurring that would not lead to the

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destruction of the entire

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country Here is Konstantin's point of view and I

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turn on our timer Konstantin are you ready

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and always ready Sergei I

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missed something let's start everything normally let

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's go well I have one friend

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who

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has analyzed the

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situation in the United States The States reported

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very accurately and very correctly And the

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likelihood of help from the

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United States is very small and over

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time it

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decreases and this means that Ukraine

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finds itself without weapons without

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support and the situation is tragic and from the

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same Sergei Lyubarsky I heard Well, that’s

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what I was talking about in my time

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that the chance of a complete occupation of Ukraine is

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becoming non-zero, it is very dangerous and

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I think we are all very worried about this and what to

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do in this

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situation Well, it seems to me that it is obvious

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to count on support which

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will not be possible, this means it is necessary according to the

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model that has worked in at one

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time, Finland in a conflict with the Soviet

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Union with Stalin to compromise

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on Well, if you like the

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word K better, compromise than

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capitulation means, but it was a real

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capitulation at the moment when the Soviet

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Second World War f about the fact

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that well, we can lose all of Finland and

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for in order to prevent this, we

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need to accept Stalin's ultimatums, all

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ultimatums were accepted, the

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islands were transferred, territories were transferred,

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well,

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the ultimatums were very unpleasant, but statehood was preserved,

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and this is the most important thing we all want.

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I think that

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the statehood of Ukraine and the citizens

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of Ukraine are preserved Konstantin Thank you Sergey Yes,

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thank you, I will start in - first of all, with a word of

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gratitude to you Konstantin and Yuri,

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who organized this debate,

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the question seems to me to be very important and

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the opinion, or rather our opinion, is an absolutely

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relevant opinion, the important thing is those people

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who are really defending Ukraine now,

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who are now sitting under bombing, but

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nevertheless, even if we are not people

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directly related to events, we voice

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our positions, I think this is important for

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making a decision one way or the other

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in Ukraine. I think such a conversation is

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very important. This is the first thing I want to

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note. The second thing I want to note is that I have

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great respect for my

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opponent; moreover, it happened that the

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majority there is a long list of people whose opinion I deeply

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respect, they share

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the opinion of

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Konstantin, so in this case I

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ask myself how did this happen among

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people who have been my

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like-minded people all my life, I

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found myself not only in the opposition but simply

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in the minority, but nevertheless,

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nevertheless, I am not I agree I naturally thought a lot about this,

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I thought a lot about this, I did not agree with the position of

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Konstantin

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Borovoy because the situation is not

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symmetrical to the Finnish one, not symmetrical at all, the

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historical analogy

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exists, it suggests itself, but it doesn’t

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work, let’s start with the fact that no one

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proposed any agreement, that is we do

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n’t know the parameters of this

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capitulation. That is, capitulation can

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end either with a completely puppet

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regime in Kiev. Well, that is, the

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Belarus 2.0 option, that is, completely under a

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controlled regime with the introduction of

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troops e Peace keepers of Russia

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indefinitely, this will also be

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capitulation or there for the next 20 years,

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that is capitulation could mean in

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this situation the complete destruction of

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Ukrainian statehood,

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uh, and it looks like Ukraine is about to get the

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second thing I heard about the World Cup, we will

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talk about the end of American aid,

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it has officially ended at the moment

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This is the official position

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Admiral John Kirby said that there is

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no more help, but when will it appear we

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will inform you, but this does not mean that Ukraine

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should or is ready to surrender. Ukraine is a

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huge country with huge

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Remys, not

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Finland, how many were there during the

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war, it is a much larger country in terms of

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territory, resources, geography, and

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everything that means it’s over, it’s over. A

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strange war is supposed to happen when they fought

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what people And most Ukrainians

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drank beer, went to Jim, skied,

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and in general lived a normal life.

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This part is finished in Ukraine.

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Huge reserves, resource reserves. I think there

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is no capitulation. Well, what else will

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we talk about? It can’t be capitulation.

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from my point of view, it means the end of

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Ukrainian statehood Sergei

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Thank you friends, I want to do after this

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introductory part I owe you You must

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help me Dear debate participants we

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must I didn’t mention this right away but

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now it’s probably important to say about it

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before we violate the three basic rules

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that decided to apply it here for ourselves The

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first thing is that we stay on topic That

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is, it’s simple here For further

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conversation I’m talking about this we don’t

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move on to the topic we don’t

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[music] I

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just often interrupt the interlocutor for

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reasons known to the Lord So

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friends now a ten-minute portion of

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answers to each of

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you Konstantin, you listened carefully to

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what Sergei said and please have

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your say Well, the

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thesis is respected,

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Putin’s goals are negotiations,

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negotiations are ongoing and both

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one and the other side speak about this;

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negotiations were held in Istanbul,

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negotiations were held at which goals were put forward;

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negotiations such virtual general

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statements all sorts of Putin's same

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conditions

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conditions are Well, good realistic

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proposals are good Well, in a bad sense,

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you understand the conditions that we would not

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agree to if we had weapons if

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we could defend

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Ukraine Putin's goals are also clear his goal is

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not the complete seizure

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of Ukraine this can be seen from the fact that they

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settled in Georgia in

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Abkhazia in Moldova in Syria in the same

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Ukraine when they captured only a piece of

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Crimea.

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Well,

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Sergei said that capitulation is a

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puppet regime, almost certainly I

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agree with him, this is a

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capitulation that will come as

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a result,

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but

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really the military Victories as

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a result Victories in this second

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stage of the war And I’ve been talking about this for almost

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2

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months now, the second stage of the war is coming, these are

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no longer

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contact clashes, these are bombings there,

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sometimes

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like the

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local MF, you know, mass

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destruction of cities,

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destruction of the population But this new

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stage of the war it can lead to

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something that we wouldn’t

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talk about, that very same capitulation when a

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regime is established, when

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almost the entire territory is controlled by

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atestho

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in

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Lvov or already in exile, and then, yes,

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then

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another capitulation means Today is a new stage of the war.

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due to the fact

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that, unlike Ukraine’s allies

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who are doing everything possible, I

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mean loyal allies and not a

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democratic

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party, unlike

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Ukraine’s allies, Russia has received very strong

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support from North

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Korea, the issue of whether or

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not

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ballistic missiles are supplied with drones is now being discussed from Iran

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and It looks like

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they are being supplied and this is a new stage of the war,

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very dangerous and I will talk about Rob in the next 10 minutes, I’m

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worried about the propaganda company,

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Sergei correctly said that

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the citizens hear us, but today in Ukraine there is a

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situation of quite powerful influence of the

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propaganda company when society

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is deprived of

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the opportunity to discuss,

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discuss I with

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this

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Well, it’s just that several

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journalists refused after we

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recorded the broadcast, they refused to publish them

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and asked me not to do this. Although

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what I’m doing now is, well, a warning

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about the danger, alarmism is such a Scream A

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cry that Well,

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the leadership of the

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stolen

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tea should hear You understand, these bombings of

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cities that began and which

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are expanding and

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which are supported Well, the

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military industry of Russia has been completely transferred to a war footing,

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they will

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expand and the population is dying, people are dying,

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so to speak, and this is the position,

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you know what just plunges me into a

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state of shock,

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we won, this is the main installation of the

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propaganda campaign in Ukraine

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now we we won, we

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repelled Russian troops from Kharkov from Kiev The

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front line has not changed for a

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whole year we defeated Russia, well,

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this just

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scares me Konstantin

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your section I give the floor to Sergei

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Sergei it

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seems to me that the idea is that Putin is

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not in April 2nd not in the summer rego and

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now in the winter of the 2nd he is ready to somehow

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agree to any mutually beneficial

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conditions, this thesis

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seems to have

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a lot of advantages, he now

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has established trade relations with China and India,

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that is, this process is painful The process has

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already been built and is already

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working Putin has found a way to

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save capital That is, he stopped the

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export of capital from Russia, but completely on his

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fingers instead of building

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some yacht for some

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billionaire for 400 dollars, Belgium for

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400 million dollars. A factory for Drones is being built,

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in principle, the money is the same,

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but from the point of view of Russia and mother

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the result is completely

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different

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and it is absolutely obvious that if

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Putin now agrees to some kind of agreement, he will

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get a huge number of problems, that

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is, on the one hand, everything is in

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chocolate or almost everything is nano, to say

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uh, there are Well, at least half a million

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people who receive from 2 to 4,000

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dollars Russians a month theirs at the front

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Now we have to fire them and with all the

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psychological trauma with all

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this that they received there, send their

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Mukhosransk for Zhopinsk for a salary In the

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factory for M 200,300,400,500 dollars and

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they must somehow perceive it then

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there is this tube back. You can’t put the paste back into the

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tube. Wars have it in.

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Historical experience shows that it

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has this property; it’s hard to

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roll them back up, unwind them into this flywheel

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and install them in place, it’s very difficult. What

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to do with Drone factories? What to do with

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rocket factories? what to do with factories

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for the repair of armored vehicles And what to do with

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factories with design bureaus that are developing

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new bombs, all this needs to be canceled Everything

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and what to do with a public person What to

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do with the victory of Russia That is, Putin has

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a lot,

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it seems to me, of minuses if he is in this war now

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-under

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conditions of less than complete surrender he

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will master, he has chosen his path, his path is

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completely obvious,

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this is a protracted

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war which he is ready to fight for an

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infinitely long time, everything works out for him, he

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will continue to terrorize

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terrorize Ukraine, destroy

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infrastructure, terrorize the civilian

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population and considering what is helping him,

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as Konstantin absolutely correctly noted

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Borovoy North Korea Iran plus he

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is developing the missile

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and drone industry in Russia, he

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can do this for a very long time and he

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has the money for it. I remind you that

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both last year and the year before were

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practically records in the number of

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export transactions and sales, that is,

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Putin does not decide none of its problems,

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that is, just one conclusion of peace,

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respectively, the only peace conditions

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that Putin is ready to accept will be

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the following, probably this is what

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Ukraine is really looking at if it wants to

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make

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some compromises on some

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capitulations, complete annexation of all four

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regions, that is restoration of the

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state border of the Russian

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Federation which, as we all know,

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runs along the borders of the Zaporozhye

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Kherson Donetsk Lugansk regions,

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that is, Ukraine must transfer power

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to Russia Zaporozhye, a city of almost a million people,

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and

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Kherson, signing all the necessary

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documents and fully international

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recognition of this Anek, the classic

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annexation was, in a historical perspective,

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very much after what is the

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guarantee of the neutral status of Ukraine,

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complete disarmament for some

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amount of duration, the thread

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regime

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is used in

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cues

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and the complete legalization of pono, the lifting of all

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sanctions, this is something for which Putin may

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be ready to go to the trouble of

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stopping the war now, then this is a

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complete unconditional Victory and

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political benefits that

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political Prestige that

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will receive from this exceeds the damage that he

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will do by stopping this war to stop So

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this is work for someone for Dodo this is the end of

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unemployment in Russia in Russia the

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real level of wages the real

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standard of living has increased That is, all this needs to be

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understood here on the other hand, on the other

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hand, if Ukraine agrees to

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this kind of

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capitulation, this is practically the end of

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Ukrainian

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statehood. Ukraine has, from

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my point of view, very immature, this is not

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Finland, this is

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not Hungary, practically Ukraine as a

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state has existed for 30 years and there

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were some months there at

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the beginning of the last century, that is,

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uh, Ukraine has a very immature

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political

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leadership. Well, what all this confirms is the

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leapfrog of presidents, it is very

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unlikely that Ukraine It is the

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Ukrainian people who will emerge from the

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emotional collapse, this is an

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emotional collapse, and maybe I don’t

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want to speculate there about the psychology of

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Ukrainian society in this I’m not well

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versed I’m well versed in

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investments and

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capital investments who are in this

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Ukraine which can at any moment

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be

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an Agreement or an agreement with Putin

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it is implied that

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he is capable of agreement I’m personally not

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sure of this, that is, I’m sure by the way

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all the agreements that you

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sign are to the contrary with Putin is not worth the paper

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on which they are signed, that is, this

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person who

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has historically proven himself by the method of creeping

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expansion achieves some

00:22:24

intermediate goal, fixes this goal and

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Dasha IT of the next goal, he likes

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to win on points and not by knockout, this is his

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monde and any world with Putin from my point

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of view, no matter what it is Even the one

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who drew This is just an

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intermediate stage And the next And the

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next stage of Putin will be a full action

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integration of Ukraine into Russia That

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is, there is

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Follow is Without the transfer of

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territory, Ukraine will not be able to sign anything;

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transfer of territory means the physical

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extermination of a certain number of

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Ukrainian citizens that we observed in the

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occupied territories. This is a small

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percentage, but nevertheless, in every village

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Ukrainians came, Russian

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security forces came, asked the locals

00:23:21

who was talking about the Ukrainians, they took people to

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the outskirts and shot, this is obviously

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understandable, and so on. there is

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And the last thing in this block I

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want to want to think about Ukraine

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is suffering from a major disease, the disease

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that Ukraine is suffering from is

00:23:39

political infantilism, that is, Ukraine, the

00:23:41

Ukrainian people, the Ukrainian

00:23:42

government has got it into their heads that,

00:23:45

like little children, they are owed everything, they are owed

00:23:47

ice cream, they are owed a shirt they are

00:23:49

owed candy they are owed for the

00:23:51

Budapest memorandum they are owed for something

00:23:53

something and this is what we owe

00:23:56

it is endlessly continued Brilliantly

00:24:02

said arrestovich Alexey arrestovich on the

00:24:04

ball they give on the ball we take I would carve this

00:24:07

on all Ukrainian tablets on the ball

00:24:10

they give on the ball we take that is, there is no better way to

00:24:12

say it briefly succinctly targeted everything

00:24:14

is clear why I say ours Dat ours

00:24:17

we take the only way how Ukraine

00:24:20

can How Lida win There

00:24:22

will be no timeout no one will give Ukraine the

00:24:25

opportunity to prepare for the next

00:24:27

this

00:24:28

is stupidity is Putin and his

00:24:31

government is not that stupid to

00:24:33

conclude a peace in which Ukraine

00:24:34

will prepare for a rematch

00:24:38

there won’t be a rematch There won’t be any nsha

00:24:40

Ukraine will start

00:24:42

to fall and they will finish off until it

00:24:44

completely loses the ability

00:24:45

to resist because I haven’t heard This is

00:24:48

constant other opponents hold this

00:24:51

structure says Tom

00:24:54

Oops, we are afraid to

00:24:56

shy away as we hooted. Wow, no,

00:25:00

they won’t. The only thing that can save

00:25:03

Ukraine is the threat of loss of sovereignty. The

00:25:08

Ukrainians mobilized themselves very well in the

00:25:11

first 3 months of the start of the war, we

00:25:13

remember this very well, the delightful

00:25:15

wonderful behavior of society when

00:25:17

the state took

00:25:21

its hands, twisting the freedom

00:25:24

of society and society very quickly

00:25:26

dealt with the aggressors, that is, it is

00:25:28

in this state that Ukraine can win

00:25:31

No matter how creepy the threat of loss sounds,

00:25:34

litter mobile Ukraine and this mobilization

00:25:38

is starting to work little by little I managed to

00:25:41

thank you Sergey As often happens in

00:25:43

real life I want to make some

00:25:45

adjustments to our our protocol to our

00:25:48

rules, dear friends, but the

00:25:50

unused time of one side

00:25:52

automatically goes to the other side,

00:25:54

so I didn’t

00:25:56

stop Konstantin Natanovich. I want to

00:25:59

suggest. Just if he wants, it’s a

00:26:02

purely voluntary matter, but include

00:26:05

your answer to Sergei with this thesis. Is there

00:26:09

Putin, if we now talk a lot to us,

00:26:12

it’s easier for us Let's talk about this to America rather

00:26:14

than to those who are now

00:26:18

under bombs, to those who are now in the trenches, to those

00:26:20

who are now in the factories trying to understand

00:26:22

what they should use to make these

00:26:24

very drones from. Why

00:26:28

include such considerations since you are

00:26:31

among the three of us and maybe even among the

00:26:33

entire audience it is better you know everything that the

00:26:36

Russian government is capable of and is not capable of,

00:26:39

you have the greatest in this sense and

00:26:41

absolutely unique experience. Excuse me,

00:26:43

let’s continue, is it possible to turn off what is

00:26:46

ringing for someone? I don’t have anything calling me,

00:26:50

nothing is

00:26:55

calling me, but I can only hear it here Well, that’s

00:27:00

right Well, that is, there is some kind of

00:27:01

bell. I think our viewers can hear it. I’ll

00:27:03

now try to turn off the timer and

00:27:05

turn it on again. Only

00:27:08

my timer can ring, but it doesn’t show that it’s

00:27:10

alive. I apologize, dear public.

00:27:14

So Konstantin’s question:

00:27:21

What is it that

00:27:24

I hear? in the headphones it’s not me,

00:27:28

but look Let’s do it

00:27:31

as if we were ourselves, we’ll find him this spy And

00:27:35

I’m Konstantin I want to ask you this

00:27:38

problem again, do you want to insert it into

00:27:41

your answer please And on what

00:27:43

conditions could Putin stop all the

00:27:46

territories busy uh so that he wants in

00:27:49

return here ush just went to the border of the

00:27:52

ninety-first year but for this Give

00:27:54

me that nothing is absolutely unacceptable

00:27:59

for

00:28:00

Putin the captured territories

00:28:04

are occupied territories It

00:28:07

belongs to him he is

00:28:09

not going to give it up no conditions that is

00:28:11

no no no this there it’s a cut

00:28:16

piece. There’s nothing you can do here. We

00:28:20

can talk about legal recognition of,

00:28:24

say,

00:28:26

Crimea by ROSI or non-

00:28:29

recognition, but in this case it’s

00:28:33

the job of diplomats to create an

00:28:36

agreement in accordance with

00:28:38

which Ukraine does not renounce its

00:28:42

citizens and the territory of Crimea, for example,

00:28:46

this

00:28:48

means that what I would like to say:

00:28:53

Putin certainly puts forward

00:28:56

a lot; of course, these are the conditions for

00:29:01

Ukraine not joining NATO; of course, this is

00:29:06

the absence of what many

00:29:09

Ukrainians are talking about. Well, power officials guarantees. This is the

00:29:13

key word lately.

00:29:16

It is often pronounced when it has already become

00:29:19

clear that some agreements

00:29:23

will still be reached, what guarantees for

00:29:26

Ukraine?

00:29:28

Unfortunately, no

00:29:31

returning to this analogy

00:29:34

with

00:29:38

Finland. Well, Russia was excluded from the League, that

00:29:42

is, the Soviet Union from the League of Nations, but all

00:29:47

states repeated their reluctance to

00:29:50

intervene.

00:29:53

Conley under

00:29:56

the Moscow Military District, neutral

00:29:59

status of

00:30:01

Germany based

00:30:03

on the Molotov Pact, retro too so to speak, I did

00:30:08

n’t want to interfere in this conflict,

00:30:14

so we can discuss it in more detail But this is still a

00:30:17

separate topic, what Putin wants,

00:30:20

what conditions can Ukraine accept,

00:30:26

or a very long, very deep topic and

00:30:30

this is a topic that I would prefer to

00:30:33

discuss with diplomats, there are a lot of you

00:30:36

know formal subtleties Well,

00:30:40

what Sergei is saying is that the military

00:30:45

will begin to return when they come, they will have to

00:30:48

lay off $4,000 a month there and

00:30:53

more, I

00:30:56

want to add a huge number of jobs, a

00:31:00

huge number of huge investments

00:31:03

in the military

00:31:04

industry, Russia has rebuilt its

00:31:08

economy and

00:31:11

now produces weapons, but the main income

00:31:18

Putin’s main income for Russia is not weapons and

00:31:21

these are not military victories. These are not seizures of

00:31:26

territories that require investments. The Chechen

00:31:29

Republic requires

00:31:31

7 billion dollars annually. The small

00:31:36

Chechen

00:31:37

Republic assumes that those

00:31:40

territories that will remain with Russia

00:31:44

today, occupied, will pass to Russia

00:31:47

formally informally.

00:31:50

And this, well, apparently is about 20 billion

00:31:55

dollars a year is

00:31:59

1 trillion when entering the Russian budget. Well, from half

00:32:03

to 1 trillion.

00:32:06

This is an acceptable amount for Putin.

00:32:10

But when payments for

00:32:14

military actions are stopped, Well, this is a trifle. Believe

00:32:18

me, this

00:32:22

means that Russian troops in

00:32:26

Kiev are repressing the territory of

00:32:30

occupied

00:32:31

Russia. Sergei this

00:32:34

Propaganda means that repressions will certainly begin,

00:32:37

they are underway, and in the territory not

00:32:41

occupied by Ukraine, the state is now

00:32:46

trying to carry out urgent mobilization,

00:32:50

we know a lot about this,

00:32:52

and violation of civil

00:32:56

rights

00:32:59

is also a subject of negotiations; an

00:33:02

opportunity for Ukrainian citizens. I don’t

00:33:05

think that all 100% of Ukrainian citizens from the

00:33:09

occupied territories are ready will

00:33:12

move to unoccupied

00:33:14

territories. But diplomats must defend this possibility;

00:33:17

this is a

00:33:21

completely different story for lifting sanctions.

00:33:25

Of course, this is a fundamental issue for Putin,

00:33:29

but you know very well that

00:33:33

no sanctions are effective; these

00:33:36

sanctions simply have not been there since

00:33:40

Joe Biden came to power. Just at the same time

00:33:44

day the sanctions began to be replaced or

00:33:49

turned into some kind of

00:33:52

very

00:33:54

decorative declared actions, that’s how

00:33:57

I really liked

00:34:02

you. You spoke about Yemin today,

00:34:07

I listened to the video of you, very

00:34:09

threatening statements, but there was nothing behind these statements.

00:34:13

Well, the same thing with the sanctions, the statements are

00:34:17

very loud very serious, very

00:34:20

strong political statements about

00:34:23

strengthening sanctions, but in the real situation

00:34:28

nothing happens. So the troops in

00:34:32

Kiev are repressing civilians

00:34:37

or there are new

00:34:40

riots. Well, this is also a subject of negotiations.

00:34:43

Why not call

00:34:46

in some states the same

00:34:51

UN forces for control over the territories this is

00:34:58

if this is not if these are

00:35:02

negotiations not after 100% of

00:35:06

Ukraine is occupied

00:35:09

and then it will be necessary to demand from Putin

00:35:12

to withdraw some troops from some

00:35:14

territories if this

00:35:17

starts today this negotiation

00:35:25

about

00:35:27

unpleasant

00:35:31

consequences emotional

00:35:34

collapse means this a separate serious

00:35:38

problem is what I already talked about, the

00:35:41

propaganda

00:35:43

company in Ukraine which is based on the

00:35:48

position that we Ukraine defeated

00:35:55

Russia in the occupied territories with the

00:35:59

completely unrealistic task of reaching the

00:36:03

Borders but before the year or the beginning of the war the

00:36:07

propaganda

00:36:09

company claims Well, I’m just faced with this by

00:36:12

giving Ukrainians are

00:36:16

interviewed by Ukrainian journalists and I say that, well,

00:36:19

Ukraine will lose, lost this war, it is

00:36:22

losing and there is not enough strength, there are not enough

00:36:25

weapons,

00:36:28

human resources there and others

00:36:32

that Ukraine and Russia have. They are not

00:36:36

comparable to this, the journalists tell me

00:36:40

what you were

00:36:44

doing, what is it called

00:36:47

Neuro informational No I am NLP No not NLP and

00:36:55

and

00:36:57

informational propaganda

00:37:01

special operation when I say Well, it’s just

00:37:03

reality and this is a call. It seems to me that this is

00:37:07

what I hear from you a call to the

00:37:10

leadership of Ukraine to return to

00:37:13

reality in the real situation and PSO it’s

00:37:18

good to fight

00:37:22

these terrible ones people

00:37:25

who beat Ukraine in this war, they need to be

00:37:31

repressed there in every possible

00:37:33

way. But we

00:37:36

also

00:37:38

need to recognize reality. Thank you

00:37:41

Konstantin Sergey, you have added 15

00:37:45

seconds of time unused by

00:37:47

Konstantin

00:37:48

Boron in order to

00:37:50

equalize in order to level the

00:37:53

playing field, so to speak, I must offer

00:37:57

Sergey as well as a simple wish,

00:38:05

he would like such a half-wave if you want to

00:38:08

include it

00:38:10

in your answer. What steps could

00:38:14

Ukraine take today in its

00:38:17

fight against the Russian

00:38:20

aggressor, considering that there

00:38:23

will be no American assistance, and do these steps include a change of

00:38:27

president, for example, an excellent question I will

00:38:29

definitely ask I’ll come back to this, which means I

00:38:32

want to shed some light on my

00:38:34

position if tomorrow the Ukrainian people, the

00:38:38

Ukrainian government, by a Ukrainian

00:38:41

referendum, say whatever they want that they are

00:38:44

ready to capitulate and will not fight,

00:38:46

I will fully support this

00:38:48

position, I will stop any efforts to

00:38:51

lobby the American government

00:38:54

to help Ukraine, I will end this chapter and

00:38:57

will in principle, it’s normal

00:38:58

to treat this as a decision of the Ukrainian

00:39:01

people, it’s not me who is fighting, it’s not my children who are fighting. This is

00:39:04

obvious and understandable. That is, I’m

00:39:07

not calling anyone to do anything. I’m just sharing with you

00:39:10

my thoughts, that’s what I think,

00:39:12

and I immediately emphasize that my

00:39:14

thoughts can’t be subjective be

00:39:16

obviously wrong, every person has the

00:39:18

right to make a mistake, I heard the RD of things

00:39:21

that

00:39:22

seemed disputable to us,

00:39:26

the reconstruction of the

00:39:30

occupied part of Ukraine will cost Putin 20 billion dollars, I think it will

00:39:32

cost more, I think it

00:39:34

will cost Putin 20 billion a year, only the part

00:39:38

that he has already swallowed and what he

00:39:41

now he is making a candy window out of Energodar

00:39:44

Melitopol Mariupol, that is, the

00:39:49

infrastructure is really being restored there, they are fighting corruption, they are

00:39:51

introducing the latest urban technologies, so to speak,

00:39:54

and so on,

00:39:56

Putin is trying to prove that his regime

00:39:59

has the most money there,

00:40:04

and on the one hand, on the other

00:40:08

hand estimated by Nshn Young

00:40:11

and other accounting In the sense of B

00:40:17

net assets, that is, the mineral resources of

00:40:20

Ukraine are from 7.5 to 10 trillion dollars

00:40:24

one of the richest countries

00:40:27

Well, look, this is not Finland with its

00:40:30

foxes, there was a little something of

00:40:33

some resources specifically this is not the

00:40:35

worst news yet 60 re 7% of this

00:40:40

deposits in total and this is mainly lithium of

00:40:42

which now This is white gold this

00:40:46

Oil is like

00:40:48

[music]

00:40:55

this is

00:41:03

hacks everything is there Therefore, the investment in the occupation of

00:41:09

Ukraine and its integration pays off not a

00:41:14

hundredfold thousand That is, this it’s not

00:41:17

a question at all, it’s not a question at all,

00:41:22

and

00:41:25

you know, if Ukraine decides

00:41:27

to capitulate tomorrow, I will absolutely be

00:41:30

on their side, but until this decision

00:41:33

has been made, I believe that it is my duty as a

00:41:36

free journalist as an American

00:41:38

Ranin to help Ukraine because

00:41:40

since I have the strength, the

00:41:42

means for capitulation Ukraine

00:41:45

again This is a question only for Ukraine, but behind the

00:41:48

capitulation of Ukraine there is the end of the

00:41:51

international order as we know it,

00:41:54

that is, we have lived one way or another in a

00:41:56

long life.

00:42:05

-

00:42:07

confrontation, but in Europe

00:42:09

there was no state familiar to Europe

00:42:11

when one country can

00:42:13

destroy borders to conquer another

00:42:15

side, this is

00:42:16

the paradigm that We enjoyed, the

00:42:21

whole world enjoyed Well, with the exception of

00:42:23

Africa, it will end for a very long time, we are

00:42:26

immersing ourselves United States

00:42:28

Western world Western Europe Asia Into the

00:42:31

new peace to a world where the conquest of foreign

00:42:34

territories becomes possible and

00:42:37

permissible according to precedent, no one

00:42:40

says that this needs to be done and so on,

00:42:41

but a precedent has been created and we are letting this

00:42:44

Genie out of the bottle and the Spirit of war will begin to

00:42:47

soar around the planet, we are now in a

00:42:52

moment of judicial crisis and we We are discussing

00:42:54

whether it is necessary for Czechoslovakia to give up the children's

00:42:56

lands of the ships Land so that there can be peace in the world. This is what

00:42:59

we are discussing now and

00:43:02

historical experience teaches us that this

00:43:05

should not be done; worse, it will not be for children's

00:43:09

Germans, not for the Czechs, the Czechs, in general, this war

00:43:12

almost never happened Oddly enough, it was noticed that

00:43:15

specifically those people who

00:43:17

concluded the Sudeten Peace, they, in general,

00:43:19

almost did not suffer from the war. But the

00:43:21

Americans and the British suffered from the war.

00:43:24

Well, and so on and so forth, we

00:43:26

are now at a fork in history.

00:43:30

History bifurcates depending on what the

00:43:32

decision is. Ukraine will accept to capitulate and

00:43:35

continue to fight, history will go in one

00:43:38

direction or another, we are now playing with a

00:43:40

very dangerous Fire and this fire is

00:43:43

this, well, that is, war. It

00:43:45

tends not to end for 10 years of

00:43:48

war, 2 years of global war, it will

00:43:50

not end so easily

00:43:53

and in the case of Katu, Ukraine stands not only

00:43:57

under emotional calls, but under

00:43:58

demographic calls, that is, Ukraine will

00:44:01

turn into simply a source of raw materials

00:44:06

and population for a fading Europe; there

00:44:11

will simply be no Ukraine, no one will want to live in an

00:44:14

enslaved Ukraine. If you can live with the

00:44:17

same success in a drezne in Brussels in

00:44:21

Milan and so on, the borders are open

00:44:23

Western euro That COZY and instead

00:44:27

of taking Muslims they willingly take

00:44:29

Ukrainians, this has already been confirmed Poland

00:44:31

showed the results of an economic

00:44:34

analysis No, that is, after drawing

00:44:36

the line How much did they spend on a refugee,

00:44:38

how much did they bring to the treasury It turned out

00:44:40

that there are advantages there, I’m sure that the same thing

00:44:43

Already exists or will be in the near future in

00:44:45

Germany, these countries Germany

00:44:48

is especially in a state of demographic

00:44:50

decline, they will take away the Ukrainians boldly in

00:44:53

Ukraine there will not be some kind of

00:44:55

Gulyai-Polye open field

00:44:57

and the Ukrainian experiment will

00:44:59

end there, that is, capitulation

00:45:02

simply means the end of

00:45:03

Ukrainian sovereignty

00:45:05

statehood but the territory

00:45:07

naturally will not go anywhere now from

00:45:09

my point of view I agree with my

00:45:12

respected opponent if Ukraine wants to

00:45:15

continue to fight as it is fighting now

00:45:17

on the ball does not mobilize all its resources

00:45:21

considering that on the ball they give on the ball we take

00:45:23

considering that the West is something they care about

00:45:26

then it’s better to capitulate like this,

00:45:28

to grind down your youth, your best

00:45:31

part of the population, your passionate strata of

00:45:34

society, like a pencil in a

00:45:36

sharpener, it’s better not to do that, but Ukraine

00:45:39

Now, as it seems to me, that is, a very

00:45:41

timid Roski is beginning to realize really,

00:45:44

with a huge delay, with all these

00:45:46

lies absolutely I agree with Konstantin

00:45:49

there Lies Lies in the press in Ukraine

00:45:51

are the norm there it’s not customary to tell the truth, it’s

00:45:53

just not customary from the layer of

00:45:56

rights it makes teeth ache, but Ukraine is

00:45:59

slowly starting to come to mind and I’m answering

00:46:01

your

00:46:02

question Yura Ukraine

00:46:04

must mobilize all its resources Ukraine

00:46:07

must admit that now it’s speech It’s about the

00:46:10

survival of Nations, from my point of view,

00:46:12

Ukraine is like a patient who is in

00:46:14

crisis. That is, he will either die, or you

00:46:18

no longer have the condition to be in the

00:46:19

ronis of the disease, there is

00:46:22

Viru now Bogot from him, the

00:46:27

next question is either the immune system

00:46:28

will win

00:46:29

or the virus will win in this Co

00:46:33

Ukraine must at least admit that

00:46:35

it is in this state; it is impossible to

00:46:38

lazily sip tea in the third

00:46:41

consideration of the

00:46:44

law on mobilization for the third week, but otherwise it is

00:46:46

impossible to

00:46:48

organize a political

00:46:51

performance from the law of mobilization; you cannot live according to the

00:46:54

norm of the society in which Germany lives, you

00:46:58

stop me. because I didn’t

00:47:00

time it Well, the law finish the sentence Sergei

00:47:03

Okay, then the answer is Next Ukraine

00:47:06

must first of all realize the real

00:47:08

danger, the ethnic danger that

00:47:11

Ukraine may not be fully mobilized

00:47:14

its society to change the government, the

00:47:16

existing government is absolutely

00:47:20

incapable of forming the Government

00:47:23

of People’s

00:47:24

Salvation and with the slogan everything is for the front everything

00:47:27

for Victory, if little Finland with a

00:47:31

population of 6 million was able to defend its

00:47:34

independence with the largest army in the

00:47:38

world, which at that time exceeded all the

00:47:40

remaining armies of the world combined, and

00:47:43

yet Finland got it, then

00:47:46

Ukraine will also succeed if this

00:47:49

Ukrainian is wanted and begins to change change

00:47:52

their economy approach to business approach to

00:47:55

society and will rely on what

00:47:57

worked what worked in Ukraine first

00:48:00

war decentralization

00:48:03

of power free Decision making

00:48:06

absence of bureaucracy and worked as much as

00:48:09

I whistled to the population Yes Trust in the

00:48:12

population weapons were distributed to the population

00:48:15

eliminated taxes eliminated customs

00:48:18

duties

00:48:22

their in Ukraine Ukraine is under the stress

00:48:27

that Konstantin is absolutely right when he

00:48:30

says that the Ukrainians will not be allowed to understand, the

00:48:31

Ukrainians do not understand what they are on

00:48:33

the verge of not surviving, and if the Ukrainians do

00:48:37

not understand this

00:48:38

and do not believe that they will be able to create a

00:48:41

government of

00:48:44

national trust during the war and rebuild the

00:48:45

country on the military Tod's rails there is nothing

00:48:48

Mordovian people of the Armed Forces will end as

00:48:51

Konstantin says with all the

00:48:54

consequences There are a huge number of

00:48:57

Patriots ready to give their lives

00:48:59

The lives of their children The future of their children for

00:49:02

the future of their country They are designed that way We

00:49:06

underestimate them Yes somehow I

00:49:09

will allow myself just a little more ra than I

00:49:12

planned somehow, the

00:49:14

Zelensky government

00:49:17

was counting mainly on the help of the West,

00:49:20

on the help of that same Biden, then

00:49:23

this President of the United States,

00:49:25

who suggested that Zelensky get out

00:49:28

and just hand over practically Ukraine for a

00:49:32

limited invasion. As he

00:49:35

called it, m and Konstantin, your word is

00:49:39

next. I just want to say that we

00:49:42

must not forget that since January 1,

00:49:44

what is called

00:49:46

bricks organization has doubled, which includes

00:49:50

Brazil, Russia, India, China, South

00:49:54

Africa, and a number of countries have also been added.

00:49:56

Argentina, to the honor of the new

00:49:59

president, refused to join, as was

00:50:01

previously discussed, they

00:50:03

refused to become members of this

00:50:04

organizations But this is much more than the

00:50:07

axis that Reagan spoke about, this is

00:50:10

much more than the axis that

00:50:12

existed during the Second World

00:50:14

War, that is, this Union of the Axis countries. Yes, you

00:50:18

remember

00:50:20

Japan Japan Germany and Italy

00:50:23

were an ally there also, that

00:50:27

is, economic power from these countries, she seems to have to be

00:50:30

a bit of a scoundrel. It seems to me that there is

00:50:33

help from the whole world and

00:50:36

the idea that Ukraine should be

00:50:39

conveyed. We are, of course, again outside observers,

00:50:45

but as if there are still resources to

00:50:48

fight and I, as they say, believe

00:50:52

what they are sending me from Russia This is

00:50:55

the situation of the Russians who, nevertheless, are in

00:50:57

no hurry to populate the lands of Ukraine even with the help of the

00:51:00

Putin government.

00:51:02

It would seem that they are building all these

00:51:04

beautiful houses, but they are not building them for Russians, they

00:51:07

are building them for those who live in

00:51:09

these territories, they are building this Donetsk

00:51:12

Donetsk Donbass It would seem if there is

00:51:14

plans for Ukraine, then you need to populate these lands

00:51:16

and dig in there, I’m not

00:51:19

telling the enemy, again, what should they

00:51:21

[music]

00:51:24

do on their side, you’re correcting me now,

00:51:27

you’re just changing the results of

00:51:31

this war, as it were, it’s very difficult to outline

00:51:33

how

00:51:35

for Russia in terms of the

00:51:38

positive use of the occupied

00:51:41

lands. Otherwise, why they did all this

00:51:44

for Ukraine, which lost this

00:51:46

territory for what and how and why

00:51:49

we are trying to understand now here now,

00:51:51

constant your word, I just want the SBO for a

00:51:55

minute that I didn’t use Before, I’ll

00:51:57

take it Now Let’s mean a

00:52:00

referendum on

00:52:02

surrender in conditions when the consciousness of

00:52:06

Ukrainians is poisoned with this

00:52:09

propaganda with these words that

00:52:13

we will go beyond the borders or there we will

00:52:16

fight until the last

00:52:19

day for all Ukrainians, we will also not

00:52:21

say the knowledge of Ukrainians is

00:52:24

poisoned, you

00:52:25

cannot say that the consciousness of

00:52:27

Americans

00:52:30

is poisoned, I will repeat then the consciousness of

00:52:33

Ukrainians is poisoned by a powerful

00:52:36

propaganda campaign that

00:52:38

claimed that it is quite possible to

00:52:41

reach the borders of the ninety-

00:52:44

first year, or at least on

00:52:48

the border before the start of the war, it is quite possible

00:52:52

to return

00:52:54

Rome to the

00:52:56

company, the most powerful pressure on the consciousness of

00:53:00

all Ukrainians until the last grandfather

00:53:05

who is going to

00:53:07

sacrifice power, so to speak, at the end of this

00:53:13

war, today Ukrainians are not aware of this

00:53:17

prohibited

00:53:18

information today Ukrainians are not aware of

00:53:21

what the victims of this war are. There are reports

00:53:26

of how many orcs died. How much

00:53:28

equipment was destroyed the message about the victims of

00:53:34

Ukrainians is

00:53:36

ipso when I repeated to one of the journalists, so to speak,

00:53:42

Arrestovich’s statements that the victims at the same

00:53:45

level are the same

00:53:47

300,000 lives and that If compared with the

00:53:52

attitude towards the population, this is

00:53:55

simply a catastrophic

00:53:57

figure. You see, in these conditions,

00:54:00

to hold

00:54:01

[music]

00:54:03

a referendum there, the result of this

00:54:05

referendum is clear, we will die and until the last

00:54:08

Ukrainian will especially support this

00:54:11

referendum Those who are already

00:54:15

abroad 20 billion dollars I did not talk about

00:54:19

the reconstruction of Ukraine I’m talking about the fact that

00:54:24

today

00:54:27

it consumes annually 7 billion

00:54:32

dollars in terms of very conditionally with

00:54:36

great restrictions on the territory that is

00:54:41

occupied, this is 20 billion dollars, this is not a

00:54:45

reconstruction for which it is supposedly

00:54:49

possible to confiscate 300 billion dollars. The

00:54:53

Central Bank has

00:54:55

already said many times that this is impossible,

00:54:58

and thus no less, representatives of the

00:55:01

American administration and the Ukrainian

00:55:05

administration continue to disseminate

00:55:09

this

00:55:11

information, which means 7 trillion dollars is the

00:55:15

estimate of Ukraine’s reserves. Well, the cost of

00:55:20

the resources, so to speak,

00:55:24

and

00:55:27

Russia is not able to develop on its

00:55:31

territory. I assure you 10 times more, not

00:55:36

less, and maybe even

00:55:38

more, means talking about the fact that

00:55:41

Putin’s

00:55:42

goal is to seize this territory and

00:55:45

occupy it in order to

00:55:54

invest

00:55:55

But who cares,

00:55:59

the situation in Ukraine is the end of the

00:56:03

world Sergei Yuri Ukraine is our

00:56:07

common Pain is our problem, you and I

00:56:11

look at the world and see there is Ukraine

00:56:14

besides Ukraine

00:56:17

Sudan, where many more people have already died

00:56:21

in these

00:56:23

conflicts,

00:56:26

and the other Rhone, where the

00:56:29

level of

00:56:31

refugees is many times higher than what

00:56:34

we see today in Ukraine, by the way,

00:56:40

apos. So, the Ukrainians don’t even have accurate

00:56:44

information about how many people left

00:56:46

Ukraine, this is forbidden,

00:56:56

but I was again accused of vpso about the fact that I

00:56:59

am on the side of

00:57:02

Putin, Ukraine is a source of human

00:57:07

resources for Europe Well, Europe doesn’t argue,

00:57:11

especially since there is no such

00:57:15

centralized mechanism that is interested in

00:57:18

Ukrainians are accepted, accepted Not

00:57:21

ideal, unfortunately,

00:57:26

Why accept refugees because in

00:57:30

Russia prisons are already simply

00:57:32

overcrowded, one analogy that is very

00:57:35

important this is about the future of

00:57:38

Ukraine, I certainly agree that Putin

00:57:42

will not leave

00:57:44

Ukraine alone, just as he did not leave

00:57:48

Georgia alone when he lost the war and

00:57:51

was forced to leave the territory of Georgia,

00:57:55

but he made efforts of a completely

00:57:58

different kind. Ivanishvili

00:58:04

invested tens of billions of dollars into changing power in Georgia

00:58:07

very effective

00:58:10

and loss of sovereignty - this is the end of

00:58:14

Ukraine, this is the preservation of Ukraine today,

00:58:17

the only thing

00:58:23

possible is that there is nothing. This means that

00:58:29

even bombing will not be needed there; these troops

00:58:31

will move without resistance across the

00:58:35

territory of Ukraine; we don’t want this; we

00:58:39

need mobilization;

00:58:41

the law;

00:58:43

Unfortunately, a situation has arisen where the authorities

00:58:46

in Ukraine are deciding today not

00:58:49

only the task of protecting Ukraine, but also a

00:58:54

completely new task, unusual for them, of

00:58:57

maintaining power protecting power.

00:59:03

This is probably a normal element there in

00:59:07

all cases. But

00:59:11

today problems with mobilization are related

00:59:14

to the fact that power has weakened very much,

00:59:19

even in the absence of reliable information

00:59:22

about the cost, so to speak. this is

00:59:25

the occupation of this war, people understand and the

00:59:29

girl with whom you and I, Zoya Kuskova,

00:59:32

did all the interviews. She talks about

00:59:35

this about

00:59:36

these completely

00:59:39

irreparable victims, huge victims and

00:59:43

cemeteries that have grown

00:59:46

incredibly like this,

00:59:51

completing what I

00:59:53

say. We want the salvation of Ukraine,

00:59:57

the salvation of Ukraine in

01:00:00

the signing of any an ultimatum with Putin

01:00:05

and the hope that this

01:00:08

government in the post-war period will be

01:00:11

smart enough to reform

01:00:14

Ukraine without focusing on the socialists and

01:00:18

on the

01:00:20

Swabian idea, so to speak, of this Europeanness.

01:00:25

Although the Europeans are in Ukraine today, well, they simply

01:00:28

have to help before Sergei

01:00:31

responds and we will complete our

01:00:33

program I want to make a small

01:00:36

comment, really small, and

01:00:39

wars in the world are always a matter of

01:00:42

our simple horizons of interest

01:00:44

in understanding. I want to highlight three conflicts,

01:00:49

which are three wars, one is not a war,

01:00:52

this is Taiwan, this is the situation between China and

01:00:55

Taiwan, these three motives have a common

01:00:59

point. this is the weakness of the

01:01:03

American administration, with a strong

01:01:06

administration, maybe the war in Sudan

01:01:09

would continue to go on as it has been going on

01:01:12

for decades. But these three conflicts

01:01:15

would not have had a chance to reach the

01:01:18

point where they are

01:01:20

now, in this criterion I want to be

01:01:24

blamed in indifference to the inhabitants of

01:01:26

Sudan

01:01:27

Here on this I want to give Sergei the floor

01:01:30

Sergei for an answer.

01:01:31

I will not comment on Sudan

01:01:34

because in world history as long as we

01:01:37

know it, everything

01:01:40

is decided in Europe. Europe has always been the

01:01:42

center of the umbilical cord of modern

01:01:44

geopolitics and Until today,

01:01:47

nothing has changed, the war in Sudan is

01:01:49

one thing, the war in the middle of Europe is

01:01:51

another, but I want to say the following:

01:01:55

Ukraine gained independence 32 years

01:01:58

ago on the ball. No one fought for it seriously,

01:02:01

no one saw how the

01:02:03

new Ukrainian society would be structured,

01:02:07

no one even expected this ball she just

01:02:09

fell on her head on a ball, now

01:02:11

Ukraine has been hanging around like crap in a hole for 32 years,

01:02:14

electing six presidents, one

01:02:17

worse than the other, having written the Constitution of which

01:02:20

[music]

01:02:23

in general, a

01:02:28

moment of

01:02:29

realization, either

01:02:31

Ukraine will win and remain on the map

01:02:36

as a country, or Ukraine will not win and

01:02:41

then independence from its status there,

01:02:44

semi-occupation under occupation,

01:02:46

and so on, this country

01:02:49

[music] is

01:02:53

practically I want to end

01:02:56

my story

01:02:59

with an interesting episode when the British

01:03:02

shot Kaer Wilhelm in the First World War, the

01:03:04

largest dreadnought the

01:03:07

largest ship in the world after the hardest

01:03:09

battles they they finished him off with

01:03:11

overwhelming forces and he went to the bottom,

01:03:14

no one gave up and

01:03:17

one means the officer asked a question

01:03:20

to the Commander Why are we doing this, we

01:03:24

know from the Diaries, he says that people

01:03:27

come and go, nations live forever, but

01:03:32

if Ukraine considers itself a

01:03:34

nation, then it will live forever, if

01:03:37

Ukraine considers itself a

01:03:40

people without a state, as the

01:03:44

Kurds were, as the Kurds are, then Ukraine

01:03:46

should capitulate; this, again, is

01:03:48

not for you and me to decide, but Ukraine is fighting on

01:03:51

two fronts; Ukraine is at war with the Russian

01:03:54

invaders; Ukraine is at war with

01:03:58

its own people; with its bureaucracy;

01:04:00

its own state If it is with the USA And also at

01:04:06

war with the USA

01:04:09

Well, to some extent, if

01:04:14

Ukraine at least somehow believes it. It’s funny that the

01:04:16

Ukrainians at least somehow believe that they can

01:04:18

defeat the Russians, they categorically do not

01:04:20

want to believe that they can

01:04:22

defeat their own state I

01:04:24

argue that if Ukraine wants to

01:04:25

stay on the map, if Ukraine wants to

01:04:28

remain a respected country, an

01:04:31

advanced country, then the only way the

01:04:33

only other way to

01:04:35

defeat Russia is to build an

01:04:37

economically developed Advanced

01:04:39

free society, the only way to

01:04:43

build such a

01:04:44

society is to use the principles

01:04:47

that America used, which

01:04:48

Germany used after the Second

01:04:50

World War, complete emancipation of

01:04:52

its economy if Ukraine wants to

01:04:54

survive; Ukraine has no other chance; it

01:04:57

simply does not exist. How to liberate your

01:05:00

economy. And lastly, Konstantin, you are

01:05:04

wrong because Ukraine is starting

01:05:05

to change; Ukraine will not go without

01:05:07

American help. It will not be able to go

01:05:10

forward, but it will be more

01:05:13

to use resources effectively Ukraine has already started

01:05:14

making drones Ukraine is now actively

01:05:16

building defensive lines Ukraine

01:05:19

will not go without American help even today it

01:05:24

will obviously be very bad there will be a lot of

01:05:27

dead but Russia ca

01:05:30

n’t just cross a thorn with tanks and go further

01:05:32

Europe exists

01:05:35

Japan is bad

01:05:38

-Ukrainian production is poorly established, whatever it is, whatever it

01:05:40

is and what. Strangely enough, the

01:05:44

tougher the conditions for Ukraine, the faster

01:05:46

it is now recovering. Ukraine is

01:05:49

recovering slowly with a very bad

01:05:51

position, but it is recovering too early to bury it,

01:05:55

friends. Many thanks to all the

01:05:57

participants in our debates gathered here, I shake hands

01:06:02

your virtual hand friends and I

01:06:07

honestly want to end on such a note, here’s a

01:06:10

big one as a person who grew up next to

01:06:11

sports. I see how two teams came out

01:06:14

to play and the Western team did not play this

01:06:16

game as it follows that it is a

01:06:23

game of foreign policy of the domestic

01:06:25

policy of the United States Return

01:06:27

to dominant role Let's hope

01:06:31

we will vote We will participate as

01:06:33

residents of this country all the best

01:06:37

friends Thank you I want to make

01:06:39

a comment I want none of our

01:06:42

listeners and viewers, especially in

01:06:45

Ukraine, to write vile comments

01:06:48

about Konstantin Borovoy about the fact that he is a

01:06:50

misplaced Cossack about the fact that he calls on

01:06:52

Dale to our different positions on

01:06:56

this issue, that naturally and normally

01:06:59

normal people do not agree on issues.

01:07:01

I personally do not have the slightest doubt about his

01:07:04

sincerity and what Konstantin

01:07:07

Borovoy says is because he sees the situation,

01:07:10

this is his position as far as I understand his

01:07:13

sincere position that it will be better for Ukraine

01:07:16

and in our dispute he can

01:07:19

immediately emphasize that he is right, and I think that we

01:07:21

will meet with the same composition

01:07:24

next year and it will be very

01:07:27

interesting for us to find out. And what happened, I

01:07:28

think by that time there will already be elections

01:07:30

the inauguration will already be there, there will be a lot of

01:07:32

interesting things that won’t happen yet, I think, but

01:07:35

well, it’s already somewhere like this. Let’s get together

01:07:37

for the inauguration of next year, no matter who is the

01:07:39

president, we will get together and

01:07:42

one of us will say Well, or vice versa, everything is

01:07:44

everything that is, it is unlikely that everything will remain as

01:07:47

it was, one of us will say Damn it, I

01:07:49

was wrong, friends, thank you, thank you

01:07:53

very much, and Yes, we will now return to you in

01:07:56

our next meetings, certainly in a

01:07:59

less formal setting. All

01:08:01

the best, goodbye Thank you

01:08:06

[music]

01:08:20

Thank you

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