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alexey yakovlev
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doctor head of medical service at
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Schlumberger in Russia and Central Asia
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amway healthcare
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author of a popular blog about medicine here is
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allex
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before you start your report and I want to
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conduct a small survey
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and please raise your hands who thinks
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that vegetarianism is useful
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thank you and who thinks that it is beneficial
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Arianism is harmful, wow, you didn’t expect that, but
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who thinks it’s different and I ask those
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who are watching us online to follow the link
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in the chat and vote online and at the end of
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the speech we will look at the results
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Alexey and I have a question for you, I
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was interested in a couple of years ago the theme of the paleo diet is that
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supporters of the flight diet claim that
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people originally ate meat from ancient times, and
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some vegetarians claim that
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people originally ate plants from ancient times, that’s
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who is right, but the right to send and other
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ancient people ate both meat and
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plant foods, we’ll talk more about this
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a little later, I’m glad to see everyone
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to greet many young people today, I am
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glad that there is such interest
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before I start my lecture, I would like to
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ask to ask this country a
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little question may seem
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which of you thinks raise your hands that
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Torian Qi people are those people who
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eat only plant foods so
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which of you believe that vegetarianism
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is those people who consume both
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plant and animal food more than all
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the rights, both of them probably also seem to be
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recognized by us and so vegetarianism as a
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term comes from England, the matter
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appeared as a movement at the beginning of the
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century before last and the actor’s words give
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affirm that vegetarian consumption
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glorify it was a vegetable but naturally
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has Latin roots before agitation with
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vegetables, I looked at the property of the crow
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thing second-hand book words from those around the
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time of the Exodus and saw the following
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definition that vegetarianism is such
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vegetarians are people who
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refuse to eat
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fish and poultry meat but can eat
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eggs and dairy,
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but nevertheless,
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vegetarianism can be different,
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it happens 1 out of 101
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when not glass, the diet is limited
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only to plant foods, and
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somewhere in the forties such a movement
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developed ideologically enough, this is
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veganism, eating only
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plant foods, excluding any
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animal products, including the product of
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animal vital activity has its own
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varieties photo Arianism consumes
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only fruits and a
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raw food diet as a middle and as a special
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form, but the majority of
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vegetarianism still remain luck to
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a vegetarians, that is, they consume
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food both animal and plant foods
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and, in fact, for a nutritionist and a
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biologist such Vegetarianism,
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like most of you, are
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omnivorous people, and then what is the question even about? Yes, the
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same thing is observed
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in studies, if you take the majority of
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modern studies, study their
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results in large
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samples, that is, it is not specifically stated that
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which group 1 matrix is ​​considered
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as right his luck to vegetarianism under the
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chair vegetarianism this is what you need
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to understand why you people
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come separately and we are not separate groups credit
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Arianism there are three main such
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reasons if divided into blocks
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this is the first ethical or religious
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prohibitions 2 for health hygienic so to
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speak the reason as originally called
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but these two are the main ones in
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Russia, one of the founders of attacking the
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ethical ideology was Lev Nikolaevich
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Tolstoy,
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who at one time had a significant
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influence on Russian minds and competed in
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this area, even Muscat of the Russian Orthodox Church, you know,
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then
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vegetarian canteens with his
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portraits often appeared there one could see
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on a horse there, too, of course, apples,
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the horse was here
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and it was based on the ethical
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imagination of course, do not kill, this is to understand this
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concept, yes, the archyz of Tian
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Christian spread began to extend
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beyond just man to and including the
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same creatures, do not kill,
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but also religious prohibitions of various things
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exist quite ancient and
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modern, find out there the
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Seventh Day Adventists and so on in Russia,
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just such an ethical
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noetic direction began to bloom, this is
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vegetarianism about the First World War,
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it died out a little for natural
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reasons and words of
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power in a sine wave began to be revived, but today words are
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acquired popularity
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for health in Europe at the same time, so I
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said that the bank began to develop,
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then Germany picked it up and so on, the
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genetic theory played a role,
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that is, these ideological hygienists
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they fought with those who followed the
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ethical goals of not killing animals lol and the
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combination naturally also happens
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separately I would I also singled out such a group:
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socialization of groups as a goal
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in itself, that is, associations of some
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such okushki up to 40
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vegetarian movements where people gather according to
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interests, communicate, and so on, this also
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adds value, of course, people
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live on purpose, and the desire
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to stand out, which can be quite
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primitive dates when we are at the table there the
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hostess is preparing, let’s say, the guest’s dumplings,
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she says, I won’t use the hostess,
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he’s surprised at all that since she’s cooking, I’m a
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vegetarian, I don’t know the corpse there, I haven’t
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eaten, those we definitely
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arouse interest in let the conversations
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explain the details there when for that
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there is a person achieving his goal attracting
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attention it can acquire some kind of
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commercial motives if personally
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well known it will help save
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additional points
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additional interest is aroused here it’s a PR move
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this is also understandable
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well let’s see well as for
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saving animals
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yes if you look directly then it’s clear
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when we eat chicken there, I don’t know
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the chop and so on, I understand that
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this is the flesh of an animal that died in
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order for us to soak it was
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and it was killed at night, after all, we won’t fall, we’ll
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get there, it’s understandable and on the website it will be approved by the
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Arian society, the face of habitat, I just
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read this it’s really possible
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to save so much of your life, too, you are essential; at the
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same time, there are also invisible losses; we all
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understand perfectly well that
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agriculture, including the cultivation of
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various plant crops, requires
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quite a lot of land; it is
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clear that not everything is grown in greenhouses;
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we eat
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various crops from huskies consume food and
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tropical plants and land reduction
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both in a primitive farming way, this
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flint using a pessimistic method and already
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on a large scale, such forest cuttings are not of course
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catastrophic since the advent of
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agriculture, its development the world
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Lisovsky spent quite significant
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from 6 billion hectares to 4 billion
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hectares,
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of which only one and a half billion racks
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primary or articular themselves then weedy
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secondary crops I gave here an
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example of my favorite Darnell Island,
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which I like to visit
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where not many primary forests
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have been preserved, you see the pace of the dissertation,
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that is, depersonalization since the 50s, and this is how it
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looks and I can say that
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most of these forests, in fact, is no longer
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primary, where does everything go, all the killers, not
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only, well, naturally, forests have been cut down
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since ancient times for pipes and for construction
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and for the extraction of minerals, most of
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course, they are agricultural,
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both for animals, for growing axes, but
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mainly for plant
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crops recruited in particular palm oil
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palm oil from oil palm to
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oil palm which is
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extracted drove us saving
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now the population has collapsed from hunger well, these are
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the things that is it is clear that the
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destruction of forests is followed by the loss of
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biotopes home for tormented many animals
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and plants and other organisms and so
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So, all this is relative, what
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saves someone directly before indirectly,
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excuse me, so I’ve heard this myth
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before, I haven’t come across it before, but that
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vegetarians are smarter and more successful, as we
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really did look at the veterans’
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society, they give
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examples from urology by famous people,
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if you look into this for years, it’s simple, yes
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as an ideologist of the
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Russian ethical movement of
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toothless nicks, as they were called then,
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he became a guitarist after 50 years
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after 50 years, and again, not strict
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vegetarians if Haiti fight
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Einstein's mouths, which also often rise to
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replace it, Hitler was a vegetarian
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only for the last two years life due to the
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fact that I had problems with
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digestion, well, Mahatma Gandhi,
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of course, about the religious reason for
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mastitis of other celebrities before the
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American ones, look, then I don’t know,
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well, probably someone from it is not visible due to their
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convictions, there was also someone who hanged himself with a disk, something
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else, probably PR -made some kind of move,
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but nevertheless, if earlier the
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first vegetarian movements
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constantly collided, so to speak, with
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ministers of medicine, which I
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relate to, they encountered in heated battles
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because medicine did not accept
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all of this and was famous for what they looked for in the
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guitar once in one time or another nutritional
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deficiencies and various diseases that
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whistle and can develop and all of
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you focus on this, then recently the
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pendulum has swung the other way and
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many comparative studies at
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large
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epoch people began to show that in our
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time vegetarians have health in many ways and
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benefit in terms of
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morbidity and mortality of
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cardiovascular diseases and
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cancers of others, such
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traces appeared and a very large
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work, such a voluminous one, was published by
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chicken who was a professor at
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Cornell University, an
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Ivy League member in America, he published his work
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called China's store, a
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Chinese study published on the
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basis of enough to kill one an attack on a
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long-term study in China,
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which was carried out by both a representative of China
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and Oxford and this
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same one to the spout of the university, in general, the
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study was not conducted on
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vegetarianism, as they are countries to
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different populations, they compared
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the correlation in the image of absorbing because they
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don’t eat and because
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they are dying and on the
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basis of all this correlation,
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suddenly kalencom was with his everything,
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they can pass it so nowhere, in general, it all
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boiled down to the fact that the healthiest
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is only plant foods and
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veganism is complete and preferably all
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this power without thermal or any
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other processing and then you will live
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long and be happy with this on this book did not
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trample so much of your beloved very only
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lazy very many just scientists
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got active on this occasion and smashed it to
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smithereens and indeed correlation
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is not always a cause-and-effect
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relationship if it says there they don’t know
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the widespread yes there is a premiere
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that in Russia everyone who died from cancer,
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otherwise, ate pickled cucumbers at least once in their lives,
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it doesn’t matter, pickled cucumbers
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are the cause of cancer, also here they
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were scientists, other correlations were different,
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but these were the conclusions they made, and
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yet the book was published This means that in
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2004, at the same time, various other
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Chinese studies and meta-analyses appeared,
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even confirming
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that there is no risk, the diet
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is healthier, and now the
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American nutritional science in your
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toilet, the Canadian one, means published on its website
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and in this journal the
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following statement is given that the
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correct ones have been developed
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vegetarian diets,
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including vegan, have a beneficial effect on
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health, satisfy nutritional needs
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and can
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primarily prevent and treat a
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number of diseases, but this is how you remain
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from birth, what is the key in
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this statement, read the need to correctly
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place emphasis correctly, correctly
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designed diets are such
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balanced about various substances that
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do not allow
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any serious deficiencies in wet
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nutrients macro and microelements when
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you are developed correctly this of course
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will again be compared with
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what we will compare we will compare a vegetarian
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diet a healthy vegetarian diet
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correctness you balance than
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managing a healthy American diet
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which is widespread among
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the population, it doubts or we will
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compare the diet of vegetarians with the
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Mediterranean diet, say, the
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long-livers of Sardinia, or the inhabitants of
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cinnabar there in Georgia,
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who perfectly see both fish and meat,
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what to compare with, that is, again,
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correlation of various dependencies, so to
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speak, quite a lot of things will be proven to put pressure on
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cause-and-effect communications and in
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recent years, work has already appeared
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here; a study was carried out in
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English 16 years ago; there is a similar very
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large holly to which has been studied on
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many thousands of people; there are Japanese
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works where those correlations have been clarified and in
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general, questions have actually arisen:
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vegetarians, what
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kind of people are they for sure? they are
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trying to somehow
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strengthen their health and preserve it not only through
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maybe their diet, maybe not in general,
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you can lead a healthier lifestyle
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and monitor your body weight,
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maybe they drink less, smoke, I know they
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lead a more active lifestyle, go
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to it seemed so when these
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parameters in these works were examined and they were already
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scored on them, so I began to follow
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these to the ends, it seemed that at the edges of
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the world, mortality from all causes does not
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differ between vegetarians and omnivores,
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people in
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this sample, and of course, if a person is
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obese due to this that he consumes
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too much animal fat and and in the water
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the dance of goodness is half a bastard and
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hypertension, maybe there is something else there, maybe
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fatty liver and metabolic
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syndromes, diabetes mellitus, but the same
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thing can be achieved if you lean on
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potatoes and buns please, there is a
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source here, but not so
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interesting things are also important and gama 105 and is it really
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pleasant for herbivores to drive very
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often on vegetarian sites this is a
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vegetarian I hear such things laptop
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corolla she doesn’t eat anything like that
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animals and there’s enough protein and
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enough of everything and how muscular she is
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and there’s no shortage food does not
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develop, yes, indeed, well, firstly, for those who have a
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slightly different body structure and
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metabolism proceeds differently from the
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4-chamber stomach in the first section,
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the option is that a huge number of
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microorganisms, bacteria, which are already
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beginning to process this and plant fiber,
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thereby supplying whom and
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vitamins, many necessary other
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substances, including as a result of
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their death,
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and this is several kilograms of bacteria, which
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supply it daily with non-vegetable
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protein;
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well, besides, for some reason, the cow is
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eating grass in the meadow, and they do not cleanse the
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animals there, which they are, which
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include insects, as a gift. from
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related insects, caterpillars, eggs and
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larvae of various kinds, and nematodes that
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live in stems and leaves, and so on
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and so forth, all of this is naturally
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eaten along with
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plant food,
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well, you can see here and the
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full face has such lips as large as and all
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ruminants are different from predators, so she
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doesn’t lap up the water with her tongue, she led us with
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the rest of the tube lips to being
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in this water naturally when she drinks and
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on water from open sources of some
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water, she doesn’t whine crying about
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swallowing tadpoles and mosquito larvae there for all this
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and daphnia and cyclops and fry and
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whatever you want is also part of it, but
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if a cow stumbles upon a
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nest in a meadow there and eggs on the dough,
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she eats the dough with great pleasure
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and the mouse stains a stately mouse waving on YouTube,
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you can find the topic logo, I don’t know call
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pitch x or there horse is his cheeks like
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this
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Indian ones especially like
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to post such videos where the lie of the great Volovets
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chickens I don’t know by watching so actively
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catches and immediately eats with pleasure
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this is not a perversion of taste this is
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what happens to them but it was a
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perversion of taste which back brat
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who has a photo and other ruminants is
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that when there is a lack of certain
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substances between iron and phosphorus they
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begin to starve and give bones and even
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carrion so everything in the world is very
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relative
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but that’s what concerns what
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Alexander Sokolov first asked about was
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ours our ancestor, here is some kind of couple
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about man, the first man to be a herbivore
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or a carnivore, he was there are various
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comparative methods such as anatomical,
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morphological and biochemical others,
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so I gave examples of the intestines
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from the ratio of its length to the length of the body, the
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structure
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and the gastrointestinal tract which
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predators and herbivores are also different from
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herbivores, I already said this is a
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multi-chambered stomach, or if there is this
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word it will be very enlarged
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large intestine and blind
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predators this is a large stomach in the country
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relative to the body because it is not so
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often that prey comes across immediately
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swallow a large amount of intestines 1
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small because you get it easily,
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this food is easily digestible and does not require
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such a thing, wait for digestion with the help of
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bacteria in a person, a person here
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somehow occupies an intermediate position,
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so we know that what is left of us from the cecum is
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quite small, such a
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small education for our students with the
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appendix which is relatively so the
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rudiment is a dexterous element, yes of course, but
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it has taken on some immune functions,
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otherwise I won’t go into it, but if
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you compare the anatomical chew la
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muscles of predators in chewing, the force of the bite is responsible for the force of the bite,
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this is the temporal muscle in the key, it’s
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time for us to forest herbivores are very developed
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muscles Moscow lives sex muscles
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which the jaw leads from side to side,
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it allows the person to breathe and chew, here
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again the banner occupies an intermediate
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position, well, in the country there is evil of teeth by the
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presence of amylase in the saliva, we see that the
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person is still probably from the times
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there I don’t know the mountain of whole islands of [ __ ]
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and through our intermediate ancestors
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developed as an omnivore, a creature
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that for some reason the word is written
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consisted of fruits and succulent parts of the plant,
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but who no less actively included animal food,
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well, as for the same, I hear
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that animal food is heavier than plant food, well,
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why bother weighing it, well, what a table such a
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chair, as they say,
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so here you can overeat fiber and
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get flatulence, yes because the
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bacteria will cheer up this is often the summer
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season it was only until the berries we’ll come and
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maybe putrefactive fermentation here there is
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stringy meat and
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enzymes are not quite there we’ll get
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completely through all the layers of these
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collagen structures and then
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other bacteria will already be settled brought by
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fermentation of students these xylene in that
00:22:00
voice catalog that so frightened the lyuli
00:22:02
lich swordsmen about other myths and often I
00:22:06
also hear like this, well, here we are with
00:22:08
growth hormones who besides
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really we have such meat West
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man bruise this countries and in the flesh,
00:22:13
rather, economic ones are closed because the WHO
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volume commission and other
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organizations are not detecting what type
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so I have antibiotics to hear
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antibiotics in animals are really
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treated with antibiotics there and
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prophylactically and they are guessing about them, they
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are also metabolized like you and I, you know
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that when we go of antibiotics, our
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muscles are suddenly filled with these
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antibiotics, so much for victory, again the
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amount is miniscule and the hormones are
00:22:39
so scary to insure that the mission is necessary,
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adrenaline probably means or
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stress hormones cortisol that we have
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them differently, again this is a miniscule
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number of falling places that it will
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play something I don’t think the role of GMOs is separate,
00:22:53
they don’t touch on it without me, they’ve already talked about
00:22:55
genetically modified animals,
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well, it’s clear that it’s funny, yes, that means
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I often hear that in plants the most
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vitamins are in the plants themselves,
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vitamins for once vitamins immediately represent
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days and vegetables, fruits are fresh,
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well, partly you really so in the
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plant of tax and terminus, let's say the same
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vitamin C,
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we know the networks of the story of scurvy among
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seafarers,
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indeed more of it can be
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found in fresh vegetables
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and fruits than somewhere needed if
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I have 1 that there were beautiful kittens
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offered to eat even once
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really the peoples of the stereo nationality
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they use practical food
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to grow a plant and get from this
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milf with tongues there and fresh raw meat, which
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means that I can say that
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in animals, animal food contains
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absolutely all vitamins can be found without
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exception for
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since we are used to thermally
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treating it for a long time, storing it with vitamins c
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go to some others, there really
00:24:01
may be problems as for if there are
00:24:07
such vitamins that there are no plant
00:24:08
foods before such there are, let’s say vitamin D, but
00:24:11
we can produce it in the sun of the skin
00:24:13
and some other type and minerals
00:24:15
I’ll tell you a little later,
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for example, vitamin but I’ll say the words of a raw food diet
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that what from plant foods we
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vitamin and as such we can’t
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get thrown we can get beta-carotene
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which later as temin it’s not so simple
00:24:29
there everything is with the vitamin activity of
00:24:31
carotene one never stretched out is equal to 12
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mikhal houses to karate school for carotene
00:24:38
means from raw carrots if you rub it on a
00:24:41
grater, only three percent will be absorbed
00:24:42
contain the contents why
00:24:44
because there are lumps
00:24:45
due to the fact that fiber is contained
00:24:46
which we do not know how to break up our
00:24:48
moment has the key to how to clog up the
00:24:49
lumps they will process the top
00:24:52
inside too, our bacteria will also get it, but
00:24:55
if it is there, squeeze out the juice also add
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fat to it because it means it’s also a
00:25:01
soluble vitamin, then
00:25:04
it’s treated at a cost if you also put 40
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percent of carotene in there, you can already
00:25:09
absorb it and so you have a raw food diet and it’s
00:25:11
always so useful until vitamin C
00:25:14
is destroyed in many ways when cooked because it’s
00:25:16
rich in vitamins It’s better to learn
00:25:18
everything about
00:25:19
this vitamin that commits leadership
00:25:22
version food in any form this is b12
00:25:24
Kabbalah min is absolutely necessary for
00:25:25
us vitamin
00:25:26
its deficiency develops with them and for the
00:25:29
quality and nervous tissue the
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place 90 plant
00:25:36
foods in any form is already pushing me, which
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means
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We can only get animal food, so
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if you step on the path of killed Arianism,
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which is not condemned in any way, then
00:25:52
please do not forget to take
00:25:53
supplements with vitamin B12, so the key is
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because there may not be other
00:25:59
fits, but this may not necessarily be
00:26:00
often swing name connection with the fact that big
00:26:02
trance does not always manage to balance
00:26:04
food, it should be very varied,
00:26:07
they are here simply not in everyone’s game to
00:26:08
achieve this, which is why it is often
00:26:12
observed in the deficiency of both omega-3 and places like
00:26:15
vegetarianism in which
00:26:17
strict vegetarians in terms of omega-3 fatty
00:26:21
acids clearing especially saturated with
00:26:23
docosahexaenoic acid, which plays a
00:26:26
key role in the structure of the membranes of our
00:26:29
nerve cells in brain cells, note
00:26:32
opinion, here is a map here of the
00:26:33
deficiency of such in food in
00:26:37
red blood cells observed in the USA in Canada,
00:26:39
there are gazelles in India and you know how
00:26:42
socks are not so bad and structure of those
00:26:44
people because this substance can be
00:26:48
stored for a long time and it is not
00:26:49
always necessary to eat tissue every day, fish
00:26:51
which is contained in order to
00:26:53
receive protein deficiency every day
00:26:56
and get it there under the windows for not
00:26:58
replacing amino acids there was a deficiency, but it is
00:27:01
also completely unnecessary if it
00:27:03
balances well then a vegetarian can
00:27:06
here everything is to do the same with
00:27:08
vitamins and microelements, so the
00:27:12
basic rule of nutrition was did
00:27:14
practical astrology would like to
00:27:16
emphasize that means food is an approach where the actor should
00:27:20
be quite simple, there is no need to
00:27:21
count the calories of each product,
00:27:23
weigh it, measure it all from the evil one,
00:27:25
it is necessary simpler that ours simpler food
00:27:29
should be as different as possible, we
00:27:31
know it should come preferably from
00:27:34
where you live, traditionally be but there
00:27:36
was no big delivery there, that is, there
00:27:40
must be a balance, taking into account the fact that
00:27:43
I hope that we stock up, including
00:27:45
vitamins, it is better to eat less than more, it is
00:27:51
not only quality and quantity that is important
00:27:54
Well, I always emphasized healthy and
00:27:57
normal nutrition does not require
00:27:59
additional supplements, except for
00:28:01
vitamins, with the exception of strict
00:28:04
vegetarianism according to nutrition standards, so I
00:28:07
wanted to compare with what they gave me, gave the
00:28:09
endocrine center of the Russian Academy of
00:28:12
Sciences,
00:28:13
how the WHO recommends that the average Europeans
00:28:16
eat and how to eat and Russians, you
00:28:20
see that there is a catastrophe simply with
00:28:22
plant food with vegetables and fruits,
00:28:24
we have it and at least five
00:28:25
percent are conditionally leaning on carbohydrates,
00:28:28
a lot of animal food is
00:28:29
more than recommended, so frankly
00:28:32
speaking, for a modern European in
00:28:35
developed industrialized countries,
00:28:37
I can only wish la who you and
00:28:39
vegetarianism, please, as the
00:28:41
healthiest diet, you’re not even here, but
00:28:44
for simplicity, the plate is divided into four
00:28:46
parts, a quarter, food of animal
00:28:49
origin, the rest should be
00:28:50
vegetable, grain,
00:28:52
fruits, vegetables, so to speak, without further
00:28:55
ado, I don’t see what I have 6 I
00:28:57
photographed the preparation of what
00:29:00
My mother prepared breakfast and dinner,
00:29:03
here are hers, they roughly correspond, yes, my
00:29:06
mother’s mother will be pleased to hear
00:29:10
your applause, but she’s been trying to come here
00:29:13
like this since childhood, it’s always been like this, she’s
00:29:15
always instinctively, I don’t know how
00:29:18
he’s a biologist, a teacher, I don’t know, maybe
00:29:20
somehow, that is science, she’s always
00:29:23
shared animal food, so a quarter of her
00:29:26
own plant food has been leaning since I
00:29:28
was 18, I haven’t changed the west, but
00:29:31
as for a useful resource, it means the
00:29:34
Kokhanov library on evidence-based
00:29:37
medicine and biology in general, before I
00:29:42
finish, it means very verified
00:29:46
foreign analyzes as much as possible, yes you are
00:29:50
there you will find everything convincingly researched,
00:29:52
including the summary, even in Russian
00:29:54
now
00:29:55
and in plain language,
00:29:56
we have retold it in simple language and it seems that
00:29:59
some medical articles have a database of such
00:30:01
substitutions, you can find it all there,
00:30:04
but here is what I used in
00:30:06
today’s report, thank you for your attention
00:30:14
before I invite an expert to ask a question,
00:30:17
I want to say that they have now
00:30:19
shown some food dishes, but if
00:30:23
we now see a reader in the back of his head rushing to the
00:30:26
buffet, two words about how it’s time to go out
00:30:29
and wait, wait, so if we
00:30:32
now see a dish rushing in the back of his head, he’s
00:30:36
sleeping and he is attacking you from the air in the
00:30:45
lobby and now I will ask you to ask a question from our
00:30:50
expert military doctor Alexey
00:30:54
Vovovozov, give me a microphone please
00:30:56
mission
00:31:05
good afternoon dear namesake dear
00:31:07
colleague about cats it’s clear yes traces
00:31:11
of everything is fine with plant foods also
00:31:13
more or less clear with mushrooms
00:31:15
it’s not clear they seem and plant foods are
00:31:18
not animals, what should we do with them, but
00:31:21
what about mushrooms for a Russian, this is an important topic;
00:31:23
mushrooms really do not belong to the
00:31:25
kingdom of plants and animals from 11
00:31:28
quite nutritious things and fats there
00:31:32
are proteins, it’s difficult to get behind the chitinous
00:31:35
structure of the building protein since the
00:31:37
building carbohydrates of
00:31:39
mushrooms chitin has long been known, but the
00:31:42
end product of nitrogen metabolism
00:31:44
is urea, so for example,
00:31:46
vegans are very suspicious of
00:31:49
mushrooms and rightists will exclude them from food, but
00:31:51
what can I say, it’s a
00:31:54
good product if you can
00:31:56
assimilate it, why not here, not everyone can be
00:31:58
happy with it, by the way, here are the peoples of the north
00:32:00
of the peoples of the north, many people do not
00:32:02
use mushrooms for food due to the fact that
00:32:06
they have various problems growing and the
00:32:09
load is cooked, in particular with an enzyme 3 hectares of
00:32:13
vines that break down the flour
00:32:15
mic-o-mic ozu mecca me codes excuse me
00:32:18
sugar on coals this is how they
00:32:20
consist of after If only they had games, it’s not very
00:32:24
active; many people don’t have it at all,
00:32:26
so it causes upset right away with food,
00:32:29
after an hour and a half there, they don’t eat them,
00:32:32
despite the fact that they collect mushrooms and butchered
00:32:34
for tourists where the sales you
00:32:36
yourself are mainly on animal food, thank you, I
00:32:40
have a question from our delegate,
00:32:42
while I’m asking it, I hope the
00:32:44
results of online voting will appear on the screen,
00:32:46
and thank you about the next one,
00:32:49
how strong are the genetic
00:32:51
prerequisites for a vegetarian diet? I’ve
00:32:53
read many places that Indians
00:32:57
live quietly without meat and feel great,
00:32:58
but what about the northern
00:32:59
peoples who eat mostly meat and
00:33:01
fat on such a diet will not last long and,
00:33:04
on the contrary, Indians
00:33:06
will not feel very well on the Eskimo diet. Are the
00:33:08
genetic prerequisites more important here? Are the
00:33:09
composition of the microbiota and the usual diet about
00:33:12
what good question right next to me is
00:33:15
missed in those opinions? Is it important to the
00:33:17
genetic prerequisites and, as it were, that
00:33:19
previous one? I’ll immediately jump to the question to the same
00:33:21
peoples of the north, you know,
00:33:23
lately and with the acquaintance
00:33:26
of the civilization of these nationalities, they
00:33:29
have a lot of details, logical
00:33:31
problems quite serval with health
00:33:32
because are there more carbohydrates to be included in food
00:33:36
and theirs and traditional food on
00:33:38
protein-fat is sensible fat and they are talking
00:33:42
about evolved in such a way that
00:33:44
their entire metabolism was rebuilt for
00:33:47
this purpose, in particular, they very often
00:33:51
have mutant mutant enzymes of a
00:33:56
certain type
00:33:57
which is called carnitine Prometheus
00:33:59
transfer for 1 and only one
00:34:03
nucleotide and the mutation leads to the fact that the
00:34:05
founders are very active in robbing,
00:34:07
it is extremely rare but among them
00:34:10
he was picked up and if we take
00:34:12
the Eskimos, this is 70 percent of the ointment
00:34:17
a year, we therefore have enzyme if we take the
00:34:19
Koryaks, 50 percent, if we take the
00:34:23
Chukchi there, 30 percent of the Nanais,
00:34:26
Ilya Nakhodka, this is all
00:34:30
how it was formed among them, here it
00:34:32
seemed to him that with fat from such a diet,
00:34:34
he even they win a lot despite the fact
00:34:37
that he is a zygote more susceptible
00:34:39
to such diseases - serious
00:34:42
hypoglycemic conditions, especially in
00:34:44
young children, which can lead to
00:34:45
death, but in general they win, but
00:34:47
if you give him a clip of lods, if you give such
00:34:50
people carbohydrates, then eat some bread and
00:34:52
grab some sweets Of course, everything
00:34:55
feels very bad because it causes
00:34:57
terrible ketoacidosis and so on,
00:34:59
they have mutations in malt Asia and
00:35:03
various proteins
00:35:05
transport 3 glucose into the blood, that is, everything is
00:35:08
tailored to eat animal foods
00:35:11
rich in protein and fat and not eat
00:35:14
plant foods such peoples there is also
00:35:16
my lecture is not for them and vegetarianism
00:35:18
naturalness was preferred by Oleg among the
00:35:19
mass of cars without knowing the Chukchi then the ripple j was
00:35:23
completely rebuilt it was considered to be up to
00:35:25
the average in Europe, moreover, there are
00:35:27
individual differences among you there are
00:35:29
probably many of you there I don’t know
00:35:31
the clicking well they don’t eat because they they
00:35:33
start to get sick there, someone can’t
00:35:35
find out there beans there are beans because they
00:35:38
start to swell terribly and that is, this is not
00:35:40
this approach
00:35:41
as for the Indians, really up to
00:35:43
30 percent of the population can be attributed to the
00:35:47
guitar as there
00:35:48
as a type of their vegetarianism but not strict
00:35:50
a lack the corner vegetarian, that is, there is a
00:35:52
certain opportunity and milk,
00:35:53
often those who are richer and can
00:35:56
afford to eat there, but in general, in this way,
00:36:02
that is, there are such human communities
00:36:04
that there are strictly vegan lifestyle
00:36:06
species, I don’t know, those that only
00:36:09
eat animal food, the advantage of
00:36:12
animal food is such yes thank you
00:36:16
please questions to the hall left block
00:36:19
yes there are hands no no no not there but
00:36:23
there yes there is a man in dark that’s not you well
00:36:31
okay you’re asking good afternoon Yuri
00:36:35
Moscow
00:36:36
the next question we talked about
00:36:39
vegetarianism is there still such a
00:36:41
hobby now a gluten-free diet that’s the
00:36:44
effect on the body of a healthy person up to
00:36:47
can have that is, if the person is not
00:36:50
sick with celiac disease in general healthy yes with the
00:36:53
status and gluten that was mentioned in the bustle from afar I will
00:36:56
copy contained in the table the
00:36:58
public line of
00:36:59
various grain crops there are such
00:37:03
people gente natural genetically
00:37:07
determined celiac disease there are very few of them this is
00:37:10
not something a number of less than one percent of systems have been washed there,
00:37:13
that many fashionable
00:37:18
trends are developing, this idea seems to
00:37:20
have begun to spread very strongly and
00:37:22
people with various different
00:37:24
eating disorders, starting there are
00:37:27
some really enzyme
00:37:30
disorders, both congenital and
00:37:32
acquired, when there are also a lot of dark ones,
00:37:34
it happens so and another kind of
00:37:39
non-absorption of food without knowing there is
00:37:41
some kind of
00:37:42
intestine and irritable large intestine, which
00:37:44
includes psychiatric
00:37:46
relics of pathology, so
00:37:49
various people began to read all this and
00:37:53
believe that they have this celiac disease, that is, they do
00:37:57
not find that when the bun is there if
00:37:59
you eat something, you start to
00:38:01
feel like this, I’ll say that
00:38:05
these suspicions are not always justified,
00:38:06
indeed there is celiac disease, but not so
00:38:09
much, and therefore for all of you, for the average
00:38:13
normal healthy person, there is
00:38:16
no point in being on a gluten-free diet,
00:38:20
Simon,
00:38:21
so let’s return the question in the right block It’s
00:38:24
just that the results of
00:38:25
the voting have not yet appeared on the screen,
00:38:27
even
00:38:28
so the hand is still on the screen now, I
00:38:31
hope the voting results will appear
00:38:33
because they are not
00:38:34
and probably the respected speaker will be
00:38:36
interested in taking a look while the question is
00:38:45
more of a social phenomenon and it’s
00:38:48
popular it’s fashionable again acetate
00:38:50
and here is the basis that you gave me,
00:38:53
the question is when the
00:38:55
synthesis of artificial meat will be
00:38:57
put on stream and they will no longer
00:38:58
kill the poor and animals, will
00:39:01
vegetarianism remain in our society or
00:39:04
most likely it will fade away thanks
00:39:06
futura logical picture different
00:39:09
words can be said there really are still
00:39:11
a lot of people we consume a lot of forests, less and
00:39:13
less, as you understand, and
00:39:15
fertile lands; less noise
00:39:18
from cattle breeding, well, it doesn’t have a very good
00:39:20
effect on the environment, I think it’s either
00:39:23
late, of course we’ll switch to genetics for my
00:39:26
wife, the engineers of Nasa graze here, but
00:39:29
some microorganisms will
00:39:30
synthesize any fats, carbohydrates on mobile phones
00:39:33
whatever you want and we will
00:39:36
collect products from this that
00:39:38
can be different, imitate any
00:39:41
completely natural products,
00:39:43
probably Don chlorella, let's move on to
00:39:46
something else like that,
00:39:47
no thanks, there in the back
00:39:50
rows, I see hands, choose someone there,
00:39:53
no even further, even further, yet here
00:39:58
stop, thank you for the day, my name is
00:40:03
Nadezhda Alexey, thank you very much for
00:40:05
the report, the slides
00:40:08
showed data on the daily
00:40:11
intake of vitamins, microelements, and
00:40:13
so on, and at the moment they already have
00:40:15
the dishes, but the lazy one didn’t print the
00:40:17
daily intake on his chocolates on a pack of milk,
00:40:21
but the question is how much we can
00:40:23
trust this because the same website from the
00:40:25
World Health Association in
00:40:27
the Ministry of Health and so on provides,
00:40:30
firstly, various data, the question is how much
00:40:33
and people in this audience can focus on these recommendations when
00:40:34
planning their diet,
00:40:38
thank you, well, it’s not difficult to focus on
00:40:41
because here There are only those
00:40:44
products on which all the vitamins
00:40:46
are listed according to their content, nothing more,
00:40:49
and that’s the only way you can calculate it, it’s
00:40:50
almost impossible, all these norms, they
00:40:54
have certain intervals,
00:40:56
they depend on your age, your body weight
00:40:59
naturally depends on your
00:41:02
health status, that is, your needs can be
00:41:03
different vitamins In this case, the intervals are large
00:41:06
and they vary very much
00:41:08
individually and from the vitamin they did not
00:41:11
have time to notice that there is carotene and
00:41:13
some people do not know how to
00:41:15
convert it to retinol, that is, this is
00:41:17
all very individual, but nevertheless,
00:41:22
in industrialized countries I, even
00:41:26
in Russia, I am very I rarely encounter
00:41:29
vitamin deficiencies and true such
00:41:30
nutritional deficiencies, that is, caused by a deficiency
00:41:32
in food of such vitamin deficiencies,
00:41:35
perhaps we no longer see vogue beaten in the
00:41:38
desired state, they know what in the
00:41:42
dark season and often develop
00:41:44
vitamin D deficiency because the bulk of
00:41:47
vitamin D is still with us
00:41:50
Holly audio calcifer here it is formed in the skin
00:41:53
affected trofeo summer
00:41:55
yes there are such shortages but here you still
00:41:58
need to add on like this
00:41:59
calculate these standards to trust not
00:42:02
to trust is another matter but how to
00:42:04
check how practically without benefit
00:42:06
javachess leg I don’t know eat
00:42:08
varied
00:42:09
I don’t think that you will become one of those
00:42:12
very few people who
00:42:15
will develop scurvy there, something like
00:42:18
berry berry or something like that,
00:42:19
and such conditions occur in certain
00:42:22
pathologies from an alcoholic, there is a deficiency
00:42:24
of vitamin B1, yes this happens because
00:42:27
alcohol is not a friend of the party, they are suppressed
00:42:29
therefore and all neurological
00:42:31
disorders develop from the
00:42:33
loss of the syndrome, the circle of the server, the cellmates,
00:42:36
that is, and why do we also drink
00:42:39
alcoholics
00:42:40
in a foreign camp by injecting
00:42:43
this vitamin, but why is this a special
00:42:47
condition in an ordinary person? We don’t
00:42:50
see elementary vitamin deficiencies,
00:42:52
look Alexey at the screen, see the
00:42:54
results
00:42:55
the vast majority of those who watch
00:42:57
us online chose it depends on various
00:43:00
circumstances,
00:43:02
which cannot but rejoice, and the last
00:43:05
question
00:43:06
on the left, please hello, my name is
00:43:13
Palpatine, I also wanted to be the first to note
00:43:20
that in addition to fungus, non-animal food
00:43:23
also includes bacteria that, for
00:43:25
example, produce the pharmacological
00:43:28
vitamin b12, namely papilio is a new acidic
00:43:31
bacteria and if it is obtained from such a
00:43:35
source, then vegans will not have ethical problems.
00:43:38
Firstly, secondly, I wanted to note
00:43:40
that in order to feed animals it is necessary to
00:43:45
grow fodder crops; they also
00:43:48
occupy quite a lot of territory in
00:43:51
Europe; non-forests for them usually even
00:43:55
outweigh those for food cultures
00:43:57
do not outweigh humans, this is also a
00:44:00
very significant factor, and the
00:44:02
third thing I want to note is that
00:44:04
despite the fact that in the stomach of ruminant
00:44:09
animals, of course, there is bacteria, but there
00:44:11
are no nitrogen-fixing bacteria and nitrogen from the
00:44:14
atmosphere does not pass into a bound form
00:44:17
in this way all of the one that
00:44:18
ends up in animal proteins
00:44:21
ultimately came from plants, that is, in
00:44:24
absolute quantity in animal protein the
00:44:28
final product will have less protein
00:44:31
than in the food that was fed to this
00:44:35
animal in absolute quantity,
00:44:36
I emphasize this animal simply burns off
00:44:39
excess carbohydrates and fats, leaving
00:44:41
only a little protein in itself and even
00:44:43
burns proteins and a certain
00:44:45
amount of nitrogen is thrown out, this is
00:44:48
so and comments about the inefficiency of
00:44:50
such production in general ending
00:44:53
here I want to replace the
00:44:56
concept of relative protein content in Russia and
00:44:58
absolutely but with protein it is not entirely clear
00:45:01
because we are completely
00:45:03
indifferent to what kind of protein we get vegetable
00:45:05
or animal, as long as everything is good in terms of amino acids,
00:45:07
of course, in meat,
00:45:10
on average, we get much more from meat and amino acids
00:45:13
than from many
00:45:14
plant products, soy
00:45:16
protein is of course rich in soy, but here again, undoubtedly,
00:45:19
not everyone can dispute theirs as
00:45:21
for vitamin B12. An interesting
00:45:23
question is really not animals, not
00:45:26
plants, they don’t know how to
00:45:29
produce this vitamin b12 themselves, bacteria can do it,
00:45:33
including why it’s not
00:45:35
sour, but in a cow,
00:45:38
these bacteria are produced in the rumen and she
00:45:41
can absorb it because it is
00:45:43
absorbed only in the small intestine, but
00:45:46
here we are you also have quite a
00:45:49
lot of bacteria, a whole kilogram of us, there are
00:45:51
about a thousand species of bacteria, there
00:45:53
is also a barter there which trampoline bi-2
00:45:55
us but we can’t assimilate it there
00:45:57
several 0 besides, for
00:46:01
vitamin b2 what does the floor cost, the
00:46:03
so-called internal factor of the castle is needed
00:46:06
which works with the parietal cells of
00:46:07
the stomach and only when it
00:46:09
binds vitamin b12 from food obtained by
00:46:12
any animal, then only then
00:46:16
can it be absorbed by the small intestine, which is why
00:46:19
I’m saying that if you
00:46:23
only want to eat plant foods, you
00:46:25
need to receive this vitamin b12
00:46:27
in supplements received not from
00:46:30
animals because animals don’t know how to
00:46:32
produce it, you need to get it from the liver, for
00:46:34
which there was a Nobel Prize, by the way,
00:46:35
varieties were received this year when
00:46:37
your scientists offered to treat it, pumped with
00:46:40
them, you are somewhere around 12 with your own liver,
00:46:43
you can, but really on an
00:46:45
industrial scale they get it from a
00:46:48
microorganism, that’s so thank you Alexey and
00:46:52
you now have to choose the best
00:46:55
question, there were four of them about the effect of a gluten-free
00:46:59
diet about the future of vegetarianism
00:47:01
and trust in these recommendations and about the
00:47:06
relative and absolute content of
00:47:08
protein,
00:47:09
these are all good questions, but this
00:47:11
young man is the last not because he is
00:47:14
better filled because you I
00:47:16
even that a person
00:47:18
is really interested in a seeker
00:47:20
and I think he needs to do a book
00:47:24
evolution, let’s not tie it to the wheel they go to
00:47:26
Palpatine you dear speaker
00:47:32
Alexey leaves penguin drink a
00:47:34
natural model, so to speak, almost
00:47:38
life-size
00:47:39
thank you

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Вегетарианство: есть ли жизнь без мяса? Научно-просветительский Форум «Ученые против мифов-8» https://antropogenez.ru/forum8-itogi/ Москва, 6 октября 2018 Часть-3. Алексей Яковлев — врач, глава медицинской службы в компании Шлюмберже в РФ и Центральной Азии, МВА по здравоохранению, автор популярного блога о медицине Botalex https://botalex.livejournal.com/ Доклад «Вегетарианство: есть ли жизнь без мяса?» 1. Какие бывают вегетарианцы? Веганы, сыроеды, фрукторианцы и прочие... 2. Почему ими становятся? 3. Вегетарианство спасает животных? 4. Вегетарианцы умнее и успешней? 5. Полезно ли быть вегетарианцем? 6. Травоядные - травоядны ли? 7. А чем питались наши предки? 8. Животная пища "тяжелее" растительной? 9. Витамины - в растениях? 10. Что такое "правильное питание"? Стенограмма доклада: https://vk.cc/8E4pGh (SciTeam) Аудио-версия: https://vk.com/wall-110924669_121002 Организатор форума: АНТРОПОГЕНЕЗ.РУ https://vk.com/antropogenez_ru https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser https://t.me/antropogenez_ru Запись: "Лаборатория Научных Видео" https://vk.com/sciencevideolab, Центр "АРХЭ" https://arhe.msk.ru/ Видео-заставка: Сергей Кривоплясов, Рустам Сафаргалиев, Влад Константинов Музыка: Дмитрий Денисов https://vk.com/alt_sound Диктор: Евгений Прохоров Дизайн: Ирина Фролова Скетч: Юлия Родина ===== Наши Правила комментирования видео: https://antropogenez.ru/youtube-rules/ Поддержать проект: https://antropogenez.ru/how-to-help/ Поддержать нас на Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/join/antropogenez

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