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Petrokhin open? The richest city in the country

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sits on a three trillion dollar budget. Well, that

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means I’m approaching Volodya. Well, I say. We

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need free political elections in Moscow,

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which is very important to me. In politics, war

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doesn’t exist for Sobyanin, he’s not a politician, he’s a

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strong business executive for Navalny at 5

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years plant it really Sobyanin

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said when Putin dies he will lean back or

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play in the box not Putin’s electorate does not

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support the war you can rob and, as it

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today with this topic: a topic about the

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capital of our Motherland about Moscow

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Why are we taking this topic Moscow

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somehow its leadership in the form of Sergei

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Semyonovich Sobyanin and the mayor’s office is generally

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considered to be such a party of silent ones, not

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hawks, do not support the war, that there is

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some other politics in

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parliament, two dozen independent

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deputies who voted for me,

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some independent media

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that are half-dead in Moscow still somehow

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exist in general, as if Moscow

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stands apart Unlike the whole

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country, against the backdrop of the war, it always stands

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apart; it began to stand apart

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again after 2011, after the protests

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where there were Moscow ones in the

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regions. Of course, they were there too, but in

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Moscow they were most clearly

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expressed when Putin got scared when

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Putin understood that if changes happen,

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then they happen first of all,

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starting with the capital, and then he decided that

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the capital should be dealt with separately and a

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lot of money should be spent on it separately,

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place a lot of riot police there,

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uh, in general, with carrots and sticks, a leaf

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and an arrest, so that Moscow was

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absolutely submissive in 2011, everyone knew

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Moscow The most protest region of the country The

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worst vote for United Russia The

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most people go to rallies and so

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on, and Sergei Sobyanin was given

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the task of making sure that this would not

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happen again and at first it seemed that they were not

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succeeding in 2013 year, Moscow

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swept Sergei Sobyanin in the first

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round of the mayoral elections. And when Alexei

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Navalny entered the second round, and only

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because of falsification, the second round was taken away from us

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and then they did not give us a second

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round of mayoral elections, but then later everything

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began to turn out to be a real feeding of

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Moscow with money, a limitless program.

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my street my district what else is there spending

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some crazy hundreds of billions of

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trillions of rubles on the metro landscaping and

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all that spending billions on PR that’s how

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good Moscow is and in every article it’s

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necessary to mention three times

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Sergei Semyon that Sobyanin is his and his role

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in how Moscow has become prettier, all this, strangely

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enough, played its role if we

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say look at the results of the

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2016 Duma elections or the 2018 mayoral elections,

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we will see that Moscow voted more

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like the average Russian

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region and not at all a child who was

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particularly protesting, it seemed that

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everything worked out for them, but it turned out that

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Muscovites are not born with bastards that they carry a

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fig in their pocket nineteenth year, this is me, a

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brief history Why we

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concentrate separately in Moscow of course

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nineteenth year, elections to the Moscow City Duma

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lead to a huge wave of opposition to the

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authorities and civil society people

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collect signatures for independent

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candidates go to daily rallies

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stage tents Damn, well, the brains of the electoral commission

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And when, regardless of the candidates, they are not

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allowed, then with the help of a lot of voting they

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win a bunch of prominent United Russia members and win elections against the candidate in

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twenty districts and elect the

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competitive and seething restless

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current Moscow parliament. You ran through

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20 in 199 very well,

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but there There was one more directly

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important detail: the city was handed over to the security forces,

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that is, at some point, Sergei

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Semyonovich was too clever with his

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technologists to prevent candidates from entering,

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there were protests, dispersal of protests,

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political prisoners, and that’s where the

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city was already. I have never seen either

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that or since Moscow It was so

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full of ammonium as in the summer of

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1919 on every corner. In the central part of the

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city there were paddy wagons everywhere,

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internal troops had been removed everywhere. That is, this was the

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moment when Sergei Sobyanin and the

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internal political blocs in the capital

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gave the city away or was taken away from them. They were

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taken away. It seems to me that yes, Sergei Semyonovich

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said I have paws, I’m like, I can only do

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political stuff. But the liver on the asphalt,

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this is welcome, means you gave everything, or

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at least he tried to make the

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impression such that he gave

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everything to the feds so that they would clean up

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the order there. 19 I remember the fierce battle and the

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massive Ares initiation of the case due to

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mass unrest and at the same time the

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devastating defeat of the political

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bloc of the Moscow City Hall in the elections to the Moscow City

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Duma, where a huge

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number of independent deputies were elected for the first time

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in the last 20 years and the Moscow City Duma still

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remains such a thorn in Baku at the

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Moscow City Hall in the twenty-first year, with

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the help of smart voting, independent

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candidates win eight out of

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fifteen State Duma districts, uh, in

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Moscow, and the propagandist

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Popov is defeated, uh, and so on and so on, but there

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is already

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electronic voting that rushes

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to the aid of Sergei Sobyanin and corrects the

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political mistakes he made better than

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any riot police, it turns out that the Numbers

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bytes means in a black box under the

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name DEK, in general,

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they work more effectively against the protest sentiments of

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Muscovites than the batons of the Russian Guard. Well,

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briefly, this was the history of the political

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confrontation between society and the authorities

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during Sobyanin’s reign, and

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you listed probably the most striking episodes.

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Let’s now talk in large order and in

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more detail both in general and about

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Sobyanin as a strong political

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figure, it is generally accepted that he is

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still on all lists of

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potential successors, we do not believe that

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they will be. But if such a thing exists, then

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Sobyanin is one of the favorites. This man

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who was also in the presidential administration

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in leading roles headed a rich

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region in his time and one of the leaders of

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United Russia was, that is, Sergei Sobyanin is

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such a Heavyweight for Russian politics,

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this is a fact of a person’s weight and Sergei Sobyanin,

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of course, there are no lists here.

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But Sergei Sobyanin

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certainly considers himself part of these lists,

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there are practically

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ambitions. They were very much undermined

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as once in 13 because it

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was 13 What is Sobyanin like now I

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’ll deal with this Navalny I’ll win against

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him like 75 to 5 I’ll show that he’s

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worth nothing and I’m ready for a competitive

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political struggle And this will increase my

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shares like oh by the way Let me I don’t know,

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it seems to me I’ve never discussed it with you outside of

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the podcast e

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vernevnikami thirteenth year he was just

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mentioned here is your interpretation of it,

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it’s really Sobyanin who said that I’m

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now going to smear him absolutely like this or as

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Alexey Alekseevich dictov says

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that Well, that means I’m approaching Volodya Well,

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I’m making an agreement for us needed in Moscow

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Free choice of Alexei Alekseevich go

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whoever wasn’t standing there he Of course he

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’s trying to jump, that is, after all,

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Sobyanin had the idea that he

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was positioning himself as a powerful

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public politician who was ready for competitive

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politics and this is in some post-Putin

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scenarios and configurations will force you

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to bet on him Well, first of

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all, big business

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financial and industrial groups, that is,

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Sobyanin’s idea was like this. I now strongly

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support competitive elections and

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when it comes to talking about the post-

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Putin Transit and when

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this issue will be resolved sooner or later,

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post-Putin transit, then there will be bankers in me,

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there will be oligarchs investing money in

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my company, they will just know that I

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know how to win competitive elections, I’m

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not afraid of them, it was his idea, Sobyanin

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pushed it through the

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presidential administration through Volodin, there was clearly

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this game, that is, Sobyanin wanted

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Navalny to be a competitor so that

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he would destroy him in the presidential administration

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Sobyanin was warned against this And

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this was a game when the

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presidential administration tells the Kirov court

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Navalny should be imprisoned for 5 years Sobyanin

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makes scandals says let him out,

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well, as it were Apparently it was something like this, and

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of course for all this left a

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huge imprint of public pressure, that

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is, we understood when Alexey Navalny

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announced that he was putting forward his

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candidacy. We understood perfectly well that a

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criminal trial was hanging over him in the poker

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forest, and it was impossible to collect the signatures of

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municipal deputies. Well, that is,

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it’s impossible for them to be required by law 110 out of 110

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different municipalities and

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there are only about 67 independent candidates in

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municipalities, that is, you

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can’t get them and it’s like the system is so

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invented that they can’t be collected for

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elections for those who don’t remember. Look at

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last year’s issues, where we

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talked about how in Moscow you can

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formally become a candidate and We

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had an idea that we were organizing a public

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company, there was a lot of political pressure

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so that everyone would see that there are only

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Navalny Sobyanin of all other

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candidates unnoticed and so that if

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Sobyanin changed his mind and would not

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register Navalny, then it would

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look like, well, Sobyanin kind of pissed

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Yeah like I got scared and decided to use

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administrative means not to allow the

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candidate to run in the elections and We understood that

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they had Navalny’s motivation, that

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is, of course it was a very risky

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bet, but we started collecting the signature

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of the imps, I remember that this was a hopeless matter, we

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began to run the company, realizing that the

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enemy was in the hands of the administrative

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leverage not to let us in, but in the end our

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calculations were justified and Navalny was allowed to vote

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because Sobyanin believed that

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it was important for his political career,

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he was hanging around. We carried out the company we are

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collecting, showed that we

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can actually do the real result that was

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recorded, the exit floor was approximately 45

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to 36 Exit semi do not record home-based

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voting at home Sobyanin, simply

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by distributing food packages there, actually bought a

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huge number of votes, apparently about

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4-5 percentage points, the real

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result apparently was somewhere like 49 to

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31 or maybe 50 to 30, well, and that’s why

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they had to Quite a bit

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They definitely cheated, they

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stopped counting votes for 3-4

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hours. Well, to make this 51% for

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Sobyanin and avoid the second round, but

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Sobyanin was not forgiven for this, we

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understand well that after this, of course, in the

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presidential administration, they told him it

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’s your fault, you owe us forever you're an [ __ ]

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because you basically made Navalny

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stubborn and they tell us I have

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everything under control, I'll crush him,

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he made a huge political figure, a

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man who almost didn't make it

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to the second round in the Moscow mayoral elections and

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Sobyanin is going away for many years altogether in

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political oblivion, he was

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probably

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completely invisible as a

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political player in 17-16, he’s been

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working on the program of my street,

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building his media holding company,

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fixing his image, but he no longer

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gets involved in any Federal politics,

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absolutely, if we look at

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the retrospective, then since the thirteenth year,

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this really started

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arrows, bike paths and so

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on Moscow is really due to the fact

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that huge budgets due to the fact that there are

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huge resources and this is how everything is structured in

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Russia, which takes away from the regions and everything is

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really concentrated there. It

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was built there for many years, in return the

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right to freedom of assembly was taken away from people and

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stifled independent media everything

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really happened and here Let's

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go back to Sobyanin as a Federal

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figure as a heavy political figure,

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he is building his own Media Empire, he has his

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own media, he has his

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own governors in a number of regions,

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he has a whole big political

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team there, he has

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city halls next to the big players Liksutov

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Rakova Resin Khusnulling who

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he inherited are still

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billionaires, people who are very

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influential and who

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have become very fabulously rich, he has a

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big team there and now it happens in the

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nineteenth year, I’m just keeping track of everything

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because from 13 to 19 there were no big

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political upheavals in the eighteenth

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year re-elections in Moscow did not stand out at all, the

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falsifications were at the level

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and in the nineteenth year all this failed

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in the nineteenth year the mayor’s office shows

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that in fact they don’t really

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control everything and that in fact even Their

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party in the Moscow United Russia

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which was then headed by billionaires the

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Metelsky swindler about whom they released

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an investigation has no weight at all,

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has no control over anything at all,

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but this Moscow City Duma was strengthened by the names of

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Navalny, the efforts of Yashina and other

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opposition politicians who

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began to run the company. Everyone paid attention and

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found out that

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99% of United Russia actually sit there. Shaposhnikov is

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a billionaire and so on and so forth

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It turned out that in Moscow Well, Moscow

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politics was completely out of

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control and it was not clear what to

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do about it and they are doing the stupidest thing

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possible primitive dispersal beating and so

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on and so forth Well, actually

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Yes it is the

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second time when Sobyanin apparently stepped

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on the same rake that in 13 apparently

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believed himself as if yes, he told the Kremlin, I’m in

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control of everything, I’ll solve the situation using

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purely political methods. Everything is

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under my control, like Don’t worry, and then

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it turned out that

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it can’t be solved by political methods and in general, Well,

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Sobyanin lost seriously, it’s clear what kind of

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half-opposition Moscow City Duma is,

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which is now such a strong

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irritant, and no one will pat Sobyanin on

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the head, of course, in the Kremlin,

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our hormone is still the second

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most important, and the country’s parliament and what’s

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real there A there are conditionally present

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there further Besedina or Stupino or

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Timanov but this makes absolutely no one

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happy with the presidential administration there are a lot of

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good [ __ ] You know, I’m sorry, but

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Sobyanin of course again Drew conclusions as

00:15:08

in the thirteenth year, he again

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calmed down for a while and now it’s like

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you and me have already been discussed Well, of course, he

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again cherishes his successor ambitions,

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he does it in a very simple way, he travels

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open metro stations and doesn’t

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say a word about the war, as if war

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doesn’t exist for Sobyanin, I’m like a

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strong business executive here. Yes, you

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have a strong business executive that he is,

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by the way, amazing he shows with all his

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appearance that he has

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political ambitions, he has a team,

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he has resources, while his servants

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sell everything like he’s not a politician, he’s a strong

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business executive, he’ll put things in order, he’ll put

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everything in order for us, he’ll rebuild it and

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do the same thing, a cool political

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trick -technological polytechnological

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political strategists surrounded by Sergei

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Sobyanin, it is very interesting that we will

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now see them directly. That is, for example, I

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literally read the other day that from

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fair Russia they will send him a bedroom partner

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this time, not funny, a person from a

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Bulgarian,

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but State Duma deputies Gusio deputies

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who are the most famous polytechnologist

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in the Ural he business partner and colleague

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Matveyevich, who is also a

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State Duma deputy, but go grow. It doesn’t hurt that they can

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be very close friends,

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which means that political scientist Gusev

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will actually portray a kind of clown on the

00:16:25

dancers, which means if only he could compete with

00:16:27

Sobyanin, despite the fact that Gusev led

00:16:30

United Russia companies. at the last elections to the

00:16:32

Moscow City Duma. By the way, let’s get to this and

00:16:34

move on to the upcoming elections. Well, we

00:16:37

will not only touch on Sobyanin, but also about

00:16:38

Moscow politics in general. But to

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continue the topic of Sobyanin, this year’s

00:16:41

elections in Moscow, no matter what anyone

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says, this is important; disclaimer, we understand

00:16:46

against the backdrop of the war, this is not the most important thing, but

00:16:49

it is inevitable that it will happen in any

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case, so we will talk about it, the

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elections in Moscow, Sobyanin’s overkill

00:16:56

will take place, he Of course, it was specially

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amended with Federal

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legislation, by the way,

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what passed Because because to

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limit the limit to two terms and

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so that Sobyanin, as the

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governor of the Russian region, has the

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right to be elected for a third term,

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including specially auxiliary

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Nukhanov, three people who were allowed

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yes yes

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because Sobyanin for a second was

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the mayor of Moscow already in 2010 and when he

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was appointed instead of Luzhkov In the thirteenth

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he got out like the eighteenth he

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got out I'm now from 23 again have to

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be re-elected he has to be re-elected

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and the experience of the thirteenth year

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taught him that you don't need to allow anyone who

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you can compete with that

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you're not very self-

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elected by the way it's important to know the fields

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terribly uncharismatic doesn't know how to speak

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if as a candidate who can run a

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public company, that’s right, here’s

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a meeting in the mountains, that’s

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actually a meeting with people, that’s not really

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an interview, and when he tried to speak at the stadium,

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it looks very,

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very funny, the way is

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Sergei Sobyanin coming in

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1918, it wasn’t launched,

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not a single beep from Yashin who declared a desire

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to participate in opposition politics from the

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Communist Party of the Russian Federation show their sponsor Kunin from the rest there

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will be no serious competition this year either

00:18:31

We know Russia and a little bit is not from the

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apples of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. I think that or maybe

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Afonin Kumi is on Fonen and there are also Parfyonov,

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like three potential candidates from

00:18:41

different ones. I think they won’t let me in because even

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perfumes are already in the category of

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radically reliable, after all, he’s

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kind of well Parfyonov, in the eyes of the Moscow mayor’s office, has a

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black heel on him because

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Parfyonov won,

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but he was also from the Russian team, that is,

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from the radical wing that is not very

00:19:00

loyal on the same side as the

00:19:03

others. In general, of course, we must

00:19:05

again make allowances for the fact that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation

00:19:07

looks like an opposition party as

00:19:08

follows, the mainstream of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which is below the

00:19:11

plinth, is the radical wing of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation,

00:19:13

which is above the plinth on the lower ones, the

00:19:16

wording is excellent and that is, there will not be

00:19:20

any competitive elections. Sergei

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Sobyanin is not leading the company until he

00:19:23

officially announced the company, but we all understand

00:19:25

that he will not say goodbye to this throne

00:19:28

of Moscow plans, we also need

00:19:30

to understand here, too, Moscow-Moscow,

00:19:33

what we are so focused on,

00:19:34

one of the eighty-odd

00:19:36

regions. But if Moscow were a country of

00:19:39

the European Union, then in terms of population and budget. By

00:19:42

the way, it would be in the top at that time,

00:19:45

no top half, that is, from 27 countries of

00:19:48

the European Union, I would look at it at the end of the

00:19:51

top ten Uh-huh That's 15 million people, yes,

00:19:54

that is, it would be one of the large

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important countries and its budget also

00:19:58

corresponds to how quite rich the

00:20:01

European countries are, uh Well, sort of the tiles

00:20:04

won’t move themselves

00:20:05

Well, probably, elections are coming up

00:20:07

this fall in the capital, which

00:20:10

Of course there will be electronic voting,

00:20:11

of course there will be all the same tricks that

00:20:14

Mary used earlier Well, that’s interesting

00:20:17

Sergei Sobyanin you and I once mentioned on one

00:20:19

of our vacations How it seems to us it

00:20:21

will be to conduct his election campaign

00:20:22

when everyone is zigging around when there are

00:20:24

freaks and radicals all around, he seems to be running the

00:20:27

paint campaign as civilly as possible,

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such a civil person who

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will tell us I built

00:20:33

700,000 metro lines, built 15 million

00:20:35

bicycle paths, and so on. I usually

00:20:38

make optimistic forecasts. But here I

00:20:40

will pessimistic forecast I don’t

00:20:42

see that we can see something interesting

00:20:45

in the Moscow mayoral elections in

00:20:47

2023, firstly because Sobyanin seems to be

00:20:49

beaten in this sense, the grated

00:20:51

Kalach and he, uh, understands that he is organizing

00:20:55

political competition. This is not his

00:20:58

2013- 19 we had to teach him And

00:21:01

secondly, she has a win-win

00:21:02

strategy that has never

00:21:04

failed him. This is a strategy of non-

00:21:06

politicization and a strong economy, once again

00:21:09

there are elections for the mayor of Moscow, this is the

00:21:14

head of the capital of the largest subject of

00:21:16

the Federation,

00:21:17

the largest regional economy, and so

00:21:20

on, it’s clear that this absolutely

00:21:22

political position mayor of Paris

00:21:24

super political position mayor of London

00:21:27

super political position mayor of Berlin

00:21:29

super political position mayor of Moscow

00:21:31

says I’m responsible for sewerage here

00:21:33

I don’t do politics at all the person

00:21:35

actually participates in competitive

00:21:37

politics in a metropolis of 15 million

00:21:40

having decisive political significance and

00:21:43

speaking like in politics that

00:21:46

I haven’t heard of politics, but in this case, of course, I’m

00:21:49

sure that it’s unfortunately scanned. Well, that

00:21:51

is, he will pick up a sleeping bag of partners

00:21:53

who will

00:21:56

be painted with swastikas from head to toe And

00:21:59

he will say Well, look,

00:22:00

they’re politicizing But I’m not politicizing I’m in

00:22:03

a fairy tale, I mean overalls I’m opening the

00:22:06

thirtieth metro station outside the city, how many

00:22:09

metro stations did Sergei Mitrokhin open, and

00:22:11

like everyone else, I wouldn’t be surprised if a

00:22:15

significant number of such

00:22:17

traditional Moscow liberal

00:22:19

intelligentsia who miss Sergei

00:22:21

Kapkov bike paths and Gorky Park

00:22:24

They also don’t care about themselves they will vote

00:22:26

because, well, we’re used to going to elections, but

00:22:29

the rest are worse. I hope that after all,

00:22:30

normal people just won’t go and, in

00:22:32

general, the turnout will not be very large, but

00:22:34

they also learned to fight themselves with this,

00:22:36

because with their running they just paint

00:22:38

whatever they want. this is well mentioned,

00:22:41

let’s talk about this too Sobyanin, uh, what is his

00:22:43

peculiarity and rather This is not his

00:22:45

peculiarity, the peculiarity of Moscow is a huge

00:22:47

number Well, Sobyanin

00:22:49

took advantage of this and is actively flirting with the

00:22:50

relationship between the mayor’s office and those whom the

00:22:54

liberal intelligentsia cleans up with

00:22:55

people who are not the electorate of

00:22:58

not Putin, not United Russia but who

00:23:00

Sergei Sobyanin allegedly charmed by

00:23:02

sponsoring various

00:23:05

theaters and opening various exhibitions and

00:23:08

flirting with public figures who were

00:23:09

considered to be respected

00:23:12

people in society there is by no means

00:23:14

the feedermeister who now fully

00:23:16

supports all this obscurantism Alexey

00:23:19

Alekseevich Venediktova, ending with

00:23:22

smaller public figures who are

00:23:25

accepted there was

00:23:26

respected in a liberal environment That is, he and

00:23:29

this Sobchak literally idolize

00:23:31

giving away money Well, again, he sits on a

00:23:35

three trillion budget on an incredible

00:23:38

budget, yes, that is, we have already made

00:23:40

these comparisons before, but I won’t be lazy, I’ll

00:23:43

draw again like the budgetary

00:23:45

provision of Moscow That is, as it were

00:23:46

share of funds Well, as it were, the specific

00:23:50

amount of funds in the budget per

00:23:52

capita is eight to 12 times an order of magnitude greater than in an ordinary

00:23:54

Russian city with a population of over a million,

00:23:57

and Sobyanin with his

00:24:03

political bloc has

00:24:05

perfectly mastered the skill of carefully

00:24:09

distributing this money to an

00:24:11

opinion leader and so on. besides, again,

00:24:13

he distances himself from the war, and people, and

00:24:16

now in 2023, are quite taking

00:24:19

money from the leaders of United Russia, members

00:24:22

of security, members of state

00:24:24

councils, and so on, the

00:24:25

bloodthirsty

00:24:28

Putinist Sergei Sobyanin, who seems unfaithful to you, is taking money under the

00:24:31

slogan Well, what about Moscow?

00:24:33

about Moscow, let’s say it’s good, even in

00:24:35

contrast, Moscow is good. While

00:24:38

Putin is at war, Sobyanin is engaged in

00:24:40

constructive and creative

00:24:42

activities here, wiring, many of them

00:24:44

have appeared and I say Ruslan how many we have

00:24:47

already mentioned Sergei Semenovich, not three

00:24:50

times, but 33 said that Moscow has become prettier,

00:24:53

10 times they said which he is a wise politician with

00:24:55

far-reaching political ambitions,

00:24:57

it is necessary to check, as it were, simply What we have

00:25:00

on our account is popular politics because we

00:25:03

can taxi for 20 million worth of rubles,

00:25:06

they said here, as if by the way, into the budgets

00:25:09

they really distribute

00:25:10

interestingly by way of a

00:25:12

huge network of polytechnologists feeding a

00:25:15

huge number of all kinds of

00:25:17

social and social movements so on, which on

00:25:20

bait plus she created this one

00:25:21

made a screen from the discussion Because

00:25:24

constantly public chambers At the same time,

00:25:25

everywhere included some

00:25:28

more or less leaders of public opinion

00:25:30

who, I repeat, are not Putin’s electorate,

00:25:32

do not support the war, but with

00:25:35

Sergei’s money and charm They fell for Sobyanin,

00:25:37

they say Sobchak and Bogomolov, to

00:25:40

Venediktov and Remchukov, and so on and so

00:25:42

forth, the list is very long of people

00:25:44

who never scolded the mayor's office,

00:25:46

scolded for the fact that Here

00:25:49

he is cutting down the forest, Look at the forest,

00:25:51

the biceps forest is doing something there, but

00:25:53

Sobyanin is not the bureaucrat in this. district,

00:25:55

yes And I have some kind of personal story

00:25:59

connected specifically with Konstantin

00:26:01

Bogomolov, so 2013 is the year

00:26:06

of Navalny. I’m just arriving from

00:26:10

Yekaterinburg, literally one of my

00:26:11

first visits to Moscow

00:26:15

at the Belorussky station to go to

00:26:18

the lane itself and at the Belorussky

00:26:22

station a man rushes towards me, I don’t know

00:26:25

starts hugging me and talking like

00:26:28

for you for you You are so great Thank you

00:26:30

for everything you do I’m like Man who are you

00:26:33

he says Bogomolov as if that’s who

00:26:35

next who I knew I didn’t know by sight I just didn’t know

00:26:39

and I was impressed because well

00:26:42

how Well, now, in general, to put it

00:26:45

mildly, I’m not the most media person there. And

00:26:48

the character Well, then no one knew me by sight at all,

00:26:50

and Bogomolov didn’t just kind of

00:26:52

follow Navalny’s company. He

00:26:54

followed it in such detail

00:26:56

that it’s just like the crowd at the station

00:26:59

recognized me and ran to hug me and he

00:27:03

then came to the headquarters and

00:27:04

spoke publicly and so on and so on, but it

00:27:06

turned out that everything has its own price,

00:27:08

it seemed that the price of a concentrated product there was

00:27:11

not very high, and that’s how they

00:27:14

really really learned

00:27:16

to pick up keys he’s such a

00:27:19

useful little man, and again,

00:27:23

he’s selling them a very simple idea. I’m

00:27:25

not forcing you to flirt.

00:27:26

Well, that’s how his

00:27:29

relationships are structured,

00:27:33

his market relations with civil society, with

00:27:35

leaders of public opinion, as is

00:27:37

commonly believed. What’s it all for? this

00:27:39

is being done Well, that is, I’m not I’m absolutely

00:27:41

sure that he doesn’t want to be the

00:27:44

mayor of Moscow all his life, that he wants somewhere further and

00:27:46

most of this is ticking Sobyanin’s age

00:27:50

64 Sobyanin is not very young No

00:27:54

Putin fifty-second with the time of

00:27:55

fifty-eighth That is, here it is if

00:27:57

he didn’t have much of a head start. And I think that

00:28:00

he was very demotivated; in fact,

00:28:02

it was all this zeroing out and extension of

00:28:04

Putin’s deadlines. I think that he quite

00:28:06

possibly thought that the twenty-

00:28:07

fourth was his chance. And now it’s

00:28:09

completely clear that there are no chances,

00:28:11

that’s all anyway, everyone considers him one

00:28:14

of the gingerbread precisely because over all these

00:28:16

years he had an exhibition - Well, that is,

00:28:18

he had everything ready Media holding E

00:28:21

he has good relations with what kind of dudes do

00:28:23

you think the guy is there with whom he

00:28:26

needs to be friends, who needs to support him from the

00:28:29

security forces Well, no matter how in any relationship,

00:28:32

but definitely not in conflict, the public

00:28:34

I think that Sobyanin is on good terms with

00:28:37

Kolokoltsev because

00:28:41

Kolokoltsev was everywhere in Moscow, he made a career

00:28:44

as the Moscow

00:28:45

head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and I just noticed here too.

00:28:49

Bastrykin demands to be aroused every day there

00:28:52

criminal case

00:28:54

of some kind to figure out who is

00:28:56

defaming the symbol of the military unit Zolotov will be

00:28:58

less noticeable by the way, but still

00:29:00

sometimes appears in the news and the National Guard

00:29:02

is involved and where is Kolokoltsev when was the

00:29:04

last time we saw we heard some kind of

00:29:06

public statement,

00:29:08

the highest-status Russian security official who,

00:29:10

against the backdrop of the war, is not at all to say not a

00:29:13

word that in reality for six months

00:29:16

has probably just disappeared Yes, it’s not

00:29:18

heard at all. Unlike there, the FSB,

00:29:21

unlike the Investigative Committee, unlike the

00:29:23

prosecutor’s office. Well, that is, as it were, well, the Ministry of Internal Affairs

00:29:27

may not be the strongest law enforcement

00:29:30

agency, but rather the weakest, honestly

00:29:32

political Yes there, the FSB and the Investigative

00:29:35

Committee are all like ordinary cops, the

00:29:37

cops hate them, but you can’t say

00:29:39

that he is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the richest and

00:29:41

most numerous, probably But the biggest thing

00:29:43

And this is actually a very large resource

00:29:45

and Sobyanin has a very good relationship with

00:29:47

the bell and it seems interesting that

00:29:49

Kolokoltsev is also completely silent and

00:29:51

completely, as it were, self-isolated, but

00:29:53

this whole war theme Yes,

00:29:55

it’s interesting, this is

00:29:57

again a lyrical digression, it

00:29:59

seemed like there was a lot before this

00:30:01

person was located Well, he was very

00:30:03

active there, he was always in the media

00:30:05

space and his staff did all this

00:30:06

Well, not this now at all Sechin

00:30:09

Remember, he was the most influential

00:30:11

person in Russia, it was read him and

00:30:15

such paradoxes are quite interesting

00:30:17

to record And like where they hid in order to

00:30:19

jump out at the right moment or everything or they

00:30:21

broke down morally and psychologically with a

00:30:23

mongoose jump is incomprehensible In general, there is no

00:30:26

ring Well, yes this What am I talking about about

00:30:28

Kolokoltsev about the security forces Well, it’s as if there are

00:30:31

absolutely no

00:30:34

weak points in the candidate, but

00:30:37

the successors are Sergei Sobyanin’s successors

00:30:39

because he prepared everything. But the main thing is that there are

00:30:41

no elections, the main problem is that Putin is

00:30:44

not going to go anywhere. Putin

00:30:45

wants to sit until the end and here

00:30:47

Sergei Semenovich will have to do something with his

00:30:49

ambitions And it will be

00:30:51

interesting to watch Well,

00:30:52

really, it seems to me that he

00:30:54

loves himself, quotes himself and they think that he has outgrown Moscow, if you

00:30:57

want, in the end,

00:30:58

probably a person can come to

00:31:00

an agreement with himself, well, somehow he may have grown into Moscow,

00:31:02

he may already be bored,

00:31:05

but it’s like 30 million a year, he

00:31:08

nevertheless has himself, he can still

00:31:10

enrich himself endlessly and he

00:31:13

quite I think hopes that when Putin

00:31:15

dies he will throw back or will play in the box or

00:31:18

just slip on a banana peel

00:31:21

or something else will happen to him,

00:31:23

nevertheless, Sobyanin seems to think that

00:31:25

nothing threatens him Well, that is, yes, the very

00:31:27

lists, but of course he is not in the first,

00:31:29

second or third line of war

00:31:30

criminals he believes that he will somehow

00:31:32

survive, he will survive, and then again

00:31:35

his resources, experience of intrigue, how will you

00:31:38

help him and play for something, I am the author of

00:31:41

this design that I believe that

00:31:44

after Putin,

00:31:45

Sobyanin and Mishustin will be negotiators

00:31:48

for the West and will be so new elite

00:31:50

group, I just came up with this out of my

00:31:52

head because it’s possible from some kind of

00:31:54

close relationship with Sobyanin, but I would like the

00:31:57

regime in this right here in the world, I’m furious with

00:31:59

everyone to distance themselves from the war,

00:32:00

distance themselves from the noiselessness formally

00:32:03

constitutionally successor Well, at the same time,

00:32:05

he has no political experience and

00:32:07

no political apparatus of no kind of Media, he

00:32:10

will have to situationally conclude a deal with someone and

00:32:12

here you are, Sobyanin, whom I

00:32:13

will remind you of the Federal TV channel TVC and the

00:32:18

newspaper and telegram channels and regional

00:32:21

elites and the ability to work with them,

00:32:22

certainly find a common language with them and

00:32:24

that’s very It’s interesting, in fact, it turns out

00:32:27

that I’m once again this

00:32:30

construction like about the possible Union of

00:32:32

Mishustina Sobyanin This is my idea I’m

00:32:35

not making any claims I don’t have any inside information from

00:32:37

sources in the Kremlin I’m in no way Andrey

00:32:40

Pertsev is inferior I’m

00:32:43

trying to approach the

00:32:44

type of forecasting analytically who benefits from

00:32:47

joining an alliance and when we assume

00:32:50

that it’s mischievous Sobyanin, it’s not for nothing that

00:32:51

both distance themselves from the war

00:32:53

of Mishustinism and look at him as a successor from a

00:32:55

constitutional point of view.

00:33:02

he doesn’t have Media and he does

00:33:05

n’t have electoral experience, he doesn’t have an

00:33:07

understanding of how to work with

00:33:09

public opinion, then conclude a Union with

00:33:12

Sobyanin. This is the most natural thing for him,

00:33:15

and if it hasn’t

00:33:16

happened yet, it will happen, and it’s terribly

00:33:18

funny that it was just then yes

00:33:21

because Putin Yes, how did you go to power,

00:33:24

where did Putin come from?

00:33:27

Boris Abramovich Berezovsky invented the path Let's

00:33:29

show this picture again and remind you that

00:33:31

Vladimir Putin as a politician was invented by

00:33:34

Boris Abramovich Berezovsky created

00:33:36

Boris Voronezh Berezovsky There

00:33:38

would be no Vladimir Putin if not for

00:33:40

Boris Biryuzovsky so he

00:33:43

came up with it as a counterbalance to the tandem Luzhkov

00:33:46

Primakov

00:33:47

Prime Minister Luzhkov we are capitals and it

00:33:50

will be very interesting and it will

00:33:51

probably be beautifully looped into history

00:33:53

if Putin ends if the tandem

00:33:56

Mishustin Sobyanin was interesting yes And about the

00:33:59

love for Sobyanin, you know, there is such a

00:34:02

thing that well, not at all themselves.

00:34:05

Who knows older Muscovites? The

00:34:06

new generation is

00:34:08

no longer hard under the Council, but for some reason such old

00:34:11

Muscovites, not even in a

00:34:13

nostalgic way, but simply in general,

00:34:15

remember Luzhkov very fondly and

00:34:17

say that the school opened was good.

00:34:19

By the way, yes exactly stuck to non-

00:34:20

positional Media just from

00:34:22

peoples who, in general, for some reason loved

00:34:25

Luzhkov,

00:34:26

these are Sobyakin’s reindeer herders, we don’t

00:34:30

approve, we don’t approve of racism in any

00:34:33

case

00:34:34

what they say and this is somehow

00:34:37

Sobyanin. Although in reality it’s like the reindeer herder

00:34:39

took his wife for some Russian

00:34:42

reasons, he really took it as if

00:34:44

Muscovites took it as an insult

00:34:46

that a non-Muscovite became the mayor of the capital What

00:34:49

type of person - there were 15

00:34:52

million types of better people throughout Moscow Well, that means in the

00:34:55

capital, why not a native of a village

00:34:57

in the Khanty - in the Mansi Autonomous

00:34:58

Okrug of type e and that’s why there is such a Yes,

00:35:02

among older Muscovites.

00:35:04

This is a sticky nickname. Like it’s

00:35:08

connected precisely with their perception of a

00:35:10

Sobyanin person who is not competent, not

00:35:13

suitable for Moscow,

00:35:14

competent, but not because he’s not

00:35:17

from Moscow, damn it. Muscovites are also a stone

00:35:19

all Muscovites Who is watching Well, it’s

00:35:22

strange okay But what I mean is that

00:35:26

I don’t know among the people if I

00:35:29

don’t hear more pleasant words and warm people

00:35:31

just from the liberal

00:35:33

intelligentsia from Facebook than from

00:35:35

ordinary Muscovites

00:35:36

with whom I am friends and communicate my

00:35:39

relatives have somehow Here he is among the

00:35:41

people so that among the

00:35:43

people, as it were, and why do the people from

00:35:47

Gorky Park from the

00:35:48

bottle from the charger not cold not hot

00:35:51

because the people sit in Yasenevo and

00:35:55

that means in Orekhovo the salaries are low

00:35:58

the cost of living dear Moscow is one of the

00:36:00

most expensive cities in the world and, as it were,

00:36:03

sits and thinks to us that from all this, that

00:36:05

is, this whole thing, again, has become totally

00:36:07

prettier, which can be seen at VDNKh, it seems to a

00:36:10

person in Chertanovo and Biryulyovo,

00:36:14

they are not cold from it, not hot Yes, this is

00:36:16

good in general an important detail just to

00:36:18

say it For those who watch us, people, you

00:36:21

must understand that Moscow is the

00:36:23

richest city in the country, that Moscow

00:36:25

takes all these resources from the regions and

00:36:28

so on, ordinary Muscovites are neither

00:36:30

cold nor hot, all this ends up in their

00:36:32

pockets, all this goes for the endless

00:36:34

re-laying of curbs for development for

00:36:39

kickbacks and so on

00:36:40

in Moscow Muscovites live differently not

00:36:44

all snickering cats who receive

00:36:46

huge money for nothing are, in

00:36:48

fact, deputies who

00:36:49

live in Moscow from the State Duma and in particular ordinary

00:36:53

Muscovites live not so much very

00:36:54

luxurious

00:36:56

and Moscow is too big Well, that is,

00:36:59

uh, there are examples. Yes, there are many in history

00:37:02

when a small city is endowed with

00:37:04

capital functions specifically so that there

00:37:07

was a city whose entire function is the

00:37:10

capital Canberra Ottawa Brazil Well,

00:37:13

actually Washington Yes, we take

00:37:16

empty ones and make the capital And everyone who

00:37:18

occupies there, everyone who lives there, people who

00:37:20

seem to make policy and everything that is theirs,

00:37:24

and everyone who serves them. Yes, there are

00:37:27

500 thousand people living there in Washington.

00:37:29

Well, these are the politicians, their apparatuses, and there are

00:37:33

people who are lobbyists, fang tanks,

00:37:36

experts, Well and then there are

00:37:39

laundries and hairdressers all around, it’s

00:37:41

like nothing else there, by

00:37:46

and large, without doing it, it doesn’t

00:37:49

produce, yes, but to Moscow, Moscow, no,

00:37:52

Moscow, again, is a huge city of 15 million and there are

00:37:55

like two cities living in it, that is,

00:37:57

here if this is a political city that

00:37:59

Sergei does not develop himself, there is a city as

00:38:02

if it were ordinary; in Moscow, until recently

00:38:04

there were huge factories, all this Hammer and

00:38:07

Sickle, as it were, and AZLK. And there are some

00:38:11

hard workers there who have these

00:38:14

huge factories, it seems that some

00:38:16

deep connection with these Well, there

00:38:18

wasn’t and isn’t there with the simple ones, but he didn’t

00:38:22

train Leonid And then let’s together with

00:38:24

you and our viewers Today

00:38:27

we’ll talk about who in general and

00:38:30

whether anyone opposes Sergei Sobyanin in

00:38:33

the capital, that is, he has there is some kind of

00:38:35

opposition within, there may be some kind of

00:38:37

intrigue, there may be some kind of threats

00:38:40

that Sobyanin is experiencing, not from the

00:38:43

Kremlin, but specifically from some kind on the political

00:38:46

field inside the capital. Because there is almost a

00:38:50

meme expression about the fact that the

00:38:51

Apple party is the second party capital Although

00:38:55

when I hear you remember You launched

00:38:57

Maxim Gadtsev but no the second party it’s

00:39:01

surprising that this is not so you did it for

00:39:04

nineteen years we did it for 21 years we

00:39:05

did the

00:39:06

results no the second party the capital

00:39:09

our name is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation why by a large margin

00:39:11

precisely because the Apple party

00:39:13

represents the liberal the intelligentsia with

00:39:15

whom Sobyanin knows how to work and come to

00:39:16

an agreement, who he showers with

00:39:18

money and eats, everything is becoming not so

00:39:21

clear, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is just the hard

00:39:23

workers who, as it were,

00:39:26

Sobyanin’s tricks and

00:39:30

urbans are not very close in terms of all

00:39:33

electoral results, the second party

00:39:35

to meet with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation but she doesn’t

00:39:37

pose a threat because Sobyanin

00:39:39

perceived her as a threat and cleared out a

00:39:41

rather

00:39:43

dangerous one. Okay, I’m exaggerating quite

00:39:48

relatively. An independent and somewhat

00:39:51

daring politician, Rashkin was removed from the

00:39:55

political scene, uh, that’s when it was

00:39:59

n’t his enemies who poured vodka and

00:40:02

they threw a moose,

00:40:04

it was Yes, indeed the Communist Party of the Russian Federation there is

00:40:08

Moscow. Well, it’s gaining a lot and

00:40:10

indeed it’s probably the second party in

00:40:11

the capital, but it’s some kind of threat to Sobyanin,

00:40:13

but it’s not that I see that it’s somehow

00:40:15

putting pressure on him. Although these are famous for what they’re

00:40:19

allowed to do in their role you can play back to them,

00:40:21

you can download the government and you can

00:40:22

criticize the Moscow authorities. It is precisely

00:40:25

at the Moscow level that something is wrong, everything is

00:40:27

wrong, they are doing it. But I’m nothing. In general,

00:40:29

let’s Before we move

00:40:32

a little further, I want to ask our viewers a

00:40:34

question by the way. Like if

00:40:36

not forgot If you forgot, then

00:40:39

put it on right now and I’ll remind you that you

00:40:41

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00:40:43

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00:40:51

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00:40:52

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00:40:55

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00:40:56

Leonid Volkov Ruslan Shaidinov

00:40:58

so while there was this commercial break I

00:41:02

wanted to say in the commentary Write

00:41:05

what you think, what you and I, as if

00:41:08

collectively, we need to do in connection with the

00:41:11

choice of Moscow and 2023 like

00:41:14

baykate ignore try to

00:41:16

organize some kind of active company

00:41:18

what doesn’t do anything, that is, well, that’s

00:41:20

why my forecast will be terribly

00:41:22

sad, there will be a very low turnout offline in

00:41:25

de they throw as much as necessary Sobyanin will be a

00:41:28

strong business executive Everyone else

00:41:30

will be pushing themselves and against this background it will be

00:41:32

easy to get as much as needed and there

00:41:34

will be no intrigue but maybe do you

00:41:36

have any ideas on how to create this intrigue? If

00:41:39

you have such thoughts please

00:41:40

share them in the comments and now let’s

00:41:42

return to the question that Ruslan

00:41:44

posed: if now some kind of

00:41:46

political threat is brewing for Sergei Sobyanin

00:41:49

or whatever, well, my answer is no.

00:41:53

Sobyanin successfully got rid of

00:41:56

husnuli Yes, which was not his after all, he

00:41:58

got it, he was Luzhkov’s, he was

00:42:00

also from the Tatar clan, he was closer to

00:42:02

Minin, and when he fell asleep, he went for a promotion as

00:42:06

deputy prime minister in his son’s government, another

00:42:09

one, and by the way, such a building block in the

00:42:13

theory of communication Sobyanin

00:42:16

[music]

00:42:17

Well, doubt Reshetnikov went to Mishustin

00:42:20

of which

00:42:23

he was from Sobyanin looking, as it were, for the

00:42:26

Perm region governor.

00:42:30

But in connection with this, I think he exhaled

00:42:36

because he, again,

00:42:37

got rid of someone foreign element; again,

00:42:40

she got rid of Luzhkov’s Olesya Well,

00:42:42

he’s already very old and so

00:42:44

on, and I don’t see that now anything

00:42:48

threatens him terribly.

00:42:50

Unfortunately, he has a well-functioning

00:42:53

management system. I don’t see any there,

00:42:55

unlike the Kremlin, where conflicts are really raging

00:42:58

and everyone is fighting with each other and

00:43:00

Putin, as we know, rules through

00:43:02

conflict. Putin creates conflicts,

00:43:04

encourages conflicts in order to be needed by

00:43:07

his circle, how to resolve

00:43:10

these conflicts at home, they seem to me to be a

00:43:11

different model of management, all of these

00:43:14

mean the bastards there Rakova is not melyuk,

00:43:17

that means all this Hmm Gorbenko

00:43:20

Venediktov is the same everyone is in their

00:43:23

place everyone is doing what they are told everyone is

00:43:25

obediently when was the last time we

00:43:27

heard something about some kind of conflict in

00:43:29

the structures of Moscow Maria someone with

00:43:31

someone I’ll tell you Moscow time but it was

00:43:34

actively discussed and it was said there

00:43:37

from political journalists to the

00:43:40

internal political get-together with

00:43:42

party activists E what do they want in Moscow

00:43:46

occupations Kiriyenko really wanted to be the mayor of the

00:43:49

capital Andrei Pertsev said in his

00:43:51

publications but this is really what

00:43:52

many discussed so much he wanted to be the

00:43:55

mayor of the capital that he participated in the elections

00:43:57

Mora of the capital I will remind you that he scored 12

00:44:00

percent then against Yuri Luzhkov,

00:44:02

having spent a huge amount of money on the company. I

00:44:04

think that then Kiriyenko and the resources

00:44:06

of choice. It was not his huge ones. It

00:44:08

was an expensive or super resource

00:44:11

company shortly before the cancellation of the

00:44:12

gubernatorial elections in Putin’s first term.

00:44:14

Kiriyenko against Luzhkov, when

00:44:16

Kiriyenko really thought that this was something

00:44:18

serious. that liberal Moscow

00:44:20

will now vote for him that Moscow is

00:44:22

so liberal Capital

00:44:24

advanced they invested esps invested

00:44:27

some billions that is, the election

00:44:30

campaign of Putin's mayors for president yes yes

00:44:32

Luzhkov scored 77% Kiriyenko 12

00:44:36

and as if Luzhkov showed that he is a

00:44:38

political heavyweight businessman and it’s

00:44:41

just the person who is supported by the

00:44:43

blue-collar type there, these are ordinary

00:44:47

people there and he is much closer to Moscow than

00:44:50

Kiriyenko Kinder surprise I think that this,

00:44:54

by the way, is a very important story that has

00:44:55

now been undeservedly forgotten because

00:44:56

Kiriyenko then concluded that

00:44:58

electoral politics is not for him and

00:44:59

election issues need to be resolved

00:45:01

administratively, and Sobyanin probably even

00:45:04

concluded that he, just like Luzhkov,

00:45:06

will do something like 77 to 10. Well, that is,

00:45:09

Luzhkov let in a liberal competitor and

00:45:12

destroyed the damn thing, and I’ll let in the

00:45:14

liberal, which means the result will be exactly the

00:45:16

same, it just didn’t work out

00:45:17

Navalny he was ready to talk to

00:45:19

ordinary people, he was ready to go to

00:45:21

this very place, and it means

00:45:23

meeting with anyone there. And this, of

00:45:27

course, was very different

00:45:29

from Navalny and Kiriyenko, especially Luzhkov.

00:45:31

Luzhkov, of course, was also ready to talk to people, it

00:45:33

seems to me. Answering his

00:45:36

own question which I

00:45:37

asked here about the threats to Sobyanin. Of course,

00:45:40

everything has been cleared and everything is under control. It

00:45:43

seems to him like this

00:45:45

for some external threats, but

00:45:48

it seems to me that internal Moscow is a very

00:45:49

tasty morsel; many big

00:45:51

players, but they are either cramped; there is no

00:45:54

growth; Putin is not going anywhere

00:45:56

reshuffles at the top are made

00:45:58

very, very rarely, uh, and everything is very complicated

00:46:02

against the backdrop of the war, I want to somehow

00:46:03

distance myself from many people like the Cyriennes and

00:46:06

Turkish people who sit on money

00:46:07

contracts. Well, relatively speaking, but I want to

00:46:10

occupy some key position politically, uh, and

00:46:13

Moscow is quite and it seems to me

00:46:15

that the threat to Sobyanin is potential.

00:46:17

This is that he has been taking up such a long time, it’s already

00:46:19

so fat. I agree that this is one

00:46:22

of the most tasty morsels, that is, the

00:46:25

position itself is the mayor of Moscow, this is in fact the

00:46:27

third person there, a huge political

00:46:30

springboard, that’s a single resource and a huge

00:46:32

financial resource That is, you can play and,

00:46:34

as it were, prepare for politics, well, you have

00:46:36

more than 10 percent of the federal budget. The

00:46:38

Moscow budget, yes, that is, here you can build,

00:46:40

as it were,

00:46:42

huge opportunities; we

00:46:45

collect, in fact, it shows how you can

00:46:46

use it. You’re right, I did

00:46:48

n’t look at it in that way, but how, that is,

00:46:51

at it’s impossible to defeat him in the elections

00:46:53

because he controls everything And you have to

00:46:55

go through some kind of loss of trust, but

00:46:58

now it’s kind of unstable, but

00:47:00

now it’s 2020. It’s really hard to

00:47:03

believe that this is a loss of trust. Although in

00:47:06

2010 I didn’t really believe it either When I

00:47:08

lost trust and didn’t what to do

00:47:10

Elena Batutina Well, it seems to me that in

00:47:13

London the last time they heard about the

00:47:15

richest women in Russia was not so

00:47:17

long ago, you won’t believe it, it sounds like

00:47:18

we’ll show a publication, something is connected with

00:47:20

another rating of rich

00:47:22

women, something where she is again - after all,

00:47:24

he heads them Well, she’s poorly endowed

00:47:27

or something. They haven’t

00:47:29

owned Moscow for many years. I suggest that

00:47:31

everyone think about it in this vein

00:47:33

as

00:47:34

homework precisely because but this is

00:47:37

really a big springboard conditionally

00:47:38

Kiriyenko conditionally this Mishustin sitting on

00:47:42

their current in posts, the

00:47:44

figures are so, let’s say, not

00:47:47

independent, they are not public, it’s not like this is a

00:47:50

springboard. Although Mishustina is

00:47:52

probably more, but the mayor of Moscow is the

00:47:54

very position that everyone talks about,

00:47:56

everyone writes about. That which has its

00:47:57

own resource makes its own

00:47:59

Media Empire, its own relations with the

00:48:01

security forces, with business. in general, it

00:48:04

all looks very, very fatty and

00:48:06

we will watch this, I don’t

00:48:09

insist, but it seems to me that this is something that

00:48:11

can happen and it’s difficult for Sobyanin to

00:48:13

do something about it because, well, if I

00:48:16

decide, if there’s a command to eat, then

00:48:18

they’ll eat and there will be no loss of trust,

00:48:20

we’ll sit and think, how come it’s

00:48:22

only 70%, Yuri Mikhailovich

00:48:25

repeated such tricks So what could this

00:48:26

be, I think no,

00:48:29

Putin can resign himself tomorrow with one

00:48:30

stroke of the emperor, but for now it’s completely

00:48:32

unclear why he needs this Well, that is,

00:48:35

there I agree that the conditional Kiriyenko and

00:48:37

Turchak can nurture plans. Yes, we will elect a

00:48:40

Turkish mayor in the capital, technologically there will be

00:48:43

zero problems and we will use

00:48:46

this political springboard to

00:48:47

prepare there for the future after

00:48:50

2024. Of course, conditionally Kiriyenko can

00:48:53

cherish such plans. But how can Putin do that?

00:48:55

package and sell How to come to Putin and

00:48:58

say, Like, come on, Sobyanin Send him to

00:49:00

resign now

00:49:02

to uh put my little man there,

00:49:05

what should I say for this client Well,

00:49:07

perhaps imagine Yes, the economy of the fact

00:49:09

that Sergei Sobyanin is preparing a riot or Well,

00:49:14

or Sobyanin on the air So where are we to the Red

00:49:18

Daddy to Putin, a printout of our broadcast, we

00:49:20

throw ourselves down on the wavy ones, they say

00:49:25

that Sobyanin means they have conspired to become a

00:49:28

collective successor, here is a crane Well, as

00:49:32

if from practice, First you will strengthen him a lot

00:49:34

and give him security, and then

00:49:36

over time, of course, they screw up Yes, they eat,

00:49:38

they sit, okay uh Moscow is the topic of

00:49:41

our today's issue. Friends,

00:49:43

write in the comments. What

00:49:45

would you be interested in hearing in the next

00:49:47

issues? What do you think about Sergei

00:49:50

Sobyanin, his political prospects,

00:49:53

his prospects as a successor,

00:49:57

what has already been mentioned to me several times

00:49:59

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