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Ukrainian energy system, according to the00:00:04
minister of energy, Russian terrorists00:00:06
hit Ukrainian energy facilities 271 times with drones and missiles,00:00:10
only00:00:13
the thermal power plants of the DTEK company00:00:15
survived more than 40 attacks since00:00:18
October 10, 2022, the Ukrainian energy industry00:00:21
was under daily Russian00:00:24
shelling about 75% of all generating00:00:28
capacities, that is, our units00:00:30
operating at our stations will be00:00:31
destroyed or damaged. Therefore,00:00:34
we now face a very big challenge, which is to00:00:36
restore these units in order to00:00:39
pass the next one without problems. And for this, we00:00:42
need almost 7 billion UAH in order to00:00:45
restore these units and be ready for00:00:49
loading, which usually start in00:00:51
November, are already in our power system,00:00:54
along with restoration, we need to do00:00:56
current repairs because the equipment00:00:58
needs maintenance and it is00:01:00
impossible to do without it this year, we have already00:01:03
done seven planned repairs, we plan to00:01:05
do more for all of them, we have already spent00:01:08
almost one and a half billion hryvnias for00:01:11
current repairs is twice as much as for the00:01:13
same period Last year, in00:01:15
addition, in order to survive the coming winter, the00:01:17
children are driving new coal mines for the00:01:19
stable supply of power plants00:01:22
with fuel. Miners have planned00:01:24
to launch 28 new mines this year. the00:01:33
damage was extremely complex, especially the00:01:36
thermal power plants, where00:01:38
they were damaged by more than00:01:43
47%, if you take the Ukrenergo system,00:01:46
that is, the system of high-voltage00:01:49
power lines, then the00:01:52
damage there was about 50%. in00:01:56
general, the most difficult damage and the00:01:58
most expensive, experts say the same,00:02:01
auto transformers, which are very difficult to00:02:03
purchase and order because they are artificial00:02:06
goods, the positive thing is that00:02:08
international partners help Ukraine with00:02:10
equipment and financial resources,00:02:12
for example, they provided certain equipment for the Ukrenergo company,00:02:15
but the energy00:02:17
system is still in place today00:02:19
in a state of emergency with healed according to00:02:22
temporary schemes, therefore it is not worth relaxing.00:02:27
We welcome the guest at this hour. This is Andrian00:02:30
Prokip, an expert on energy issues of the00:02:32
Ukrainian Institute of the Future.00:02:33
Good day. Good health. I congratulate you.00:02:42
It seems that it is already worth talking about the00:02:43
winter that will be, how ready is our energy00:02:46
system to survive the next winter, we00:02:49
all said that the stage of the previous winter was00:02:51
difficult.00:03:01
you won't get two days and you won't do00:03:03
how ready we are for the coming winter and the00:03:06
heating season. Well, here we can only00:03:08
say that we are ready as much as00:03:10
we can be ready and00:03:13
the passage of the next winter will depend00:03:16
on a number of factors that we00:03:17
cannot predict,00:03:18
first of all What will be the intensity of the00:03:22
enemy's air attacks? What will be the00:03:23
effectiveness of Ukrainian air00:03:25
defense? Yes, we can see now that00:03:27
in fact attacks on energy facilities are00:03:29
happening now and in the summer,00:03:32
of course, they are not as active as they were in October,00:03:35
November-December of last year, but00:03:39
we are less. we feel that the00:03:42
effectiveness of the forces against air00:03:45
defense is much higher. The00:03:47
second very important factor that00:03:50
affects it is what the winter will be like.00:03:52
Last year, we were lucky that the winter was00:03:56
very warm, and one of the fears that existed00:03:59
then, that is, in the case of mass shutdowns of00:04:00
the blockade, that the00:04:02
entire infrastructure00:04:05
of water supply the drain will start to00:04:06
freeze and can be removed with authority00:04:08
and not to mention the banal physical00:04:11
freezing, yes, that is, the past winter was00:04:14
quite favorable, now we really have a00:04:17
very hot summer, that is, we have, a few00:04:19
days ago, we broke the00:04:21
temperature record, even the one that was00:04:23
last year year and this of course00:04:25
has a negative effect on the power system in part00:04:28
because summer is traditionally this period of repairs and00:04:30
now to the planned repairs of the traditional ones00:04:33
that happened to us every year was00:04:36
added to this burden that we must00:04:38
repair as much as possible,00:04:41
it is clear that the next winter will be00:04:43
problematic because if last winter We00:04:47
went through with a large amount of, let's say,00:04:49
excess capacity. So,00:04:51
in our00:04:54
energy consumption principle, the00:04:56
peak energy consumption was significantly00:04:59
less than the installed capacity and00:05:01
transmission generation facilities, and at the beginning of the00:05:04
invasion on February 24, our energy consumption dropped significantly by00:05:07
30%. and we actually had a margin of safety,00:05:10
but a large part of this margin of safety00:05:13
was destroyed, and therefore, if there will be a00:05:17
cold winter, if there will be a large number of00:05:20
shellings that will also hit and00:05:23
destroy the infrastructure, then we need to00:05:27
prepare for disruptions next winter.00:05:30
Let's talk about tariffs00:05:32
Tariffs for light and electricity have increased in our country since July 1. Nevertheless,00:05:38
many experts say that it is still00:05:40
not enough and in Europe people00:05:42
pay much more for electricity. Is this really true00:05:45
when comparing the00:05:49
electricity tariff for the population with00:05:51
European countries? Well, in fact,00:05:54
Ukraine has almost the lowest tariff, that is,00:05:56
if you look at the statistics00:05:58
provided by Eurostat, which covers not only the00:06:02
countries of the00:06:03
European Union, then the00:06:08
price of electricity in our country is somewhat higher than in Kosovo00:06:12
and Velbad,00:06:14
even in neighboring Moldova, the price of00:06:18
electricity is significantly higher00:06:20
well, Moldova is such an interesting case, they00:06:24
introduced high enough00:06:26
tariffs for both gas and electricity long ago in00:06:28
order to cover00:06:30
cases, but in them a fairly large00:06:31
proportion of the population uses subsidies.00:06:33
That is, it is a normal, adequate and correct00:06:35
system, we introduce tariffs that00:06:37
cover expenses, but those who cannot00:06:39
pay we compensate them for these services,00:06:42
and it had a very strict00:06:44
system of checking the income and financial00:06:47
condition of the household.00:06:59
of the00:07:02
lowest in Europe here. Of course, this00:07:04
increase is an overlay on what we have00:07:06
because it is compared in one currency, the00:07:08
euro, and we have had a devaluation of the00:07:11
essence of the national currency. And this step00:07:14
with the tariff increase was forced.00:07:18
was so forced that our Government always00:07:23
tried for decades to00:07:26
delay the issue of raising the tariff as far as possible and00:07:27
did it only when the situation became00:07:29
critical, i.e. you have to imagine how00:07:32
difficult the situation was that they so simply00:07:33
and easily agreed to increase this00:07:35
tariff because the cash gaps that00:07:38
were formed must be understood that the00:07:42
electricity supply service that would receive00:07:45
its price is formed from several components, and00:07:47
only one component is the price of this00:07:49
electricity in many regions, in00:07:52
fact, with the timrif, which was The price was00:07:54
negative, i.e., the components are00:07:58
transmission fees, distribution fees,00:08:00
supplier fees, etc. the amounts were00:08:03
higher than the tariff that we had00:08:04
before, well, if we talk about Kyiv, there are 26900:08:06
kW in Kyiv, and in general, the00:08:10
previous information 541,544 was heard somewhere,00:08:13
it was all about it was called yes, they talked about00:08:14
what if in the case of market, that is,00:08:17
if we talk in In Ukraine, the prices for them are not the same,00:08:19
one look at the00:08:21
established fixed tariff, but00:08:23
the cost price is different because there is a component, there are00:08:27
two components that differ in00:08:28
each region. the00:08:36
cost of distribution of kW00:08:39
hours in each region is different00:08:42
because the network structure and distribution volumes are00:08:44
different and the tariff is the same as the00:08:48
universal service provider.00:08:49
That is, it is the provider who is responsible for ensuring that Ukraine00:08:51
comes to our homes according to the00:08:55
required schedule. Children are00:08:56
different, but we are talking about household00:08:58
consumers. And if we are talking about00:09:00
entrepreneurs, about industrial consumers,00:09:03
can we compare these tariffs with00:09:06
European tariffs? If we are talking00:09:09
about electricity prices for commercial00:09:12
consumers, they are also among the00:09:16
lowest in Europe. There are gradations00:09:19
because, for example, in for us, it is called00:09:23
voltage, and for them,00:09:25
for example, the distribution fee is the difference,00:09:28
and this determines, among other things, the different price and the00:09:30
plus of electricity as a commodity, and it can be00:09:32
bought differently according to different contracts,00:09:34
consumption schedules, that is, there are many00:09:36
factors that ultimately00:09:38
affect the final the price of electricity00:09:41
even in Ukraine, that is, the00:09:43
model of the electricity market that we follow is the00:09:45
same as in Europe, it is true that it has00:09:48
such traditional for Ukraine00:09:51
regulation and overregulation, but00:09:53
in fact, for example, a huge medical complex00:09:57
and some small bakery there. They can00:10:02
have different electricity due to the fact00:10:03
that they have consumption profiles of they00:10:07
differ00:10:08
because in reality the price of electricity is00:10:12
not something so formal, it has its own00:10:18
price at every time, that is, first of all, it is00:10:21
the same. We also have, for example, night00:10:23
tariffs for the population, so that is, the population of00:10:26
commercial consumers, there is no single00:10:28
tariff, all commercial consumers pay00:10:30
for one tariff in Ukraine or not. How is the price of00:10:32
electricity for a commercial consumer00:10:34
formed? Does he take a00:10:37
supplier?00:10:38
That supplier00:10:41
buys it on the market00:10:43
depending on it to get control work. Danny - it's hours, night00:10:45
hours,00:10:49
you determine the price because there are only producers00:10:52
in one hour they give electricity00:10:56
at one price, others at another, and00:10:58
the supplier already forms a profile according to00:11:01
which he gives electricity00:11:02
to the consumer as it is needed and, based on00:11:05
that, he can form a price, that is, there is no00:11:07
single number, such a line,00:11:10
that electricity costs so much, that is, there are00:11:13
some general frameworks approximately within which00:11:15
they are located, but this difference is not00:11:17
catastrophically large, and the cost,00:11:20
but commercial consumers still00:11:21
pay according to one fixed tariff,00:11:24
depending on how much electricity I can get00:11:26
for different commercial00:11:28
consumers. It may not be much,00:11:29
but maybe there I am a little.00:11:33
Europe00:11:34
Just if Let's go to it, too,00:11:37
because I have a question, that is,00:11:39
depending on whether you look at the00:11:42
consumption classes there, what volumes they have, the00:11:44
prices are different, and00:11:47
for the most part, the price of energy00:11:50
for commercial is generally00:11:53
lower than in most countries of Europe, but00:11:55
here again we can talk about the00:11:58
components that form the price, but this If00:12:01
there is time If you have such a question,00:12:03
one of the component sites is the average00:12:05
wage and the minimum, and there you know we00:12:07
talked about consumer baskets earlier00:12:09
Let's say this, I lead everything to00:12:11
people's opportunities, Andriana, because the question00:12:14
of tariffs is, you know, as one of00:12:17
the presidents of Ukraine said. Well, this has already happened. We have00:12:19
already experienced a full-scale00:12:21
invasion.00:12:30
because there are certain possible and00:12:33
any of us looks now from people00:12:34
say that in Europe the prices of wages What00:12:37
and how much they pay what percentage of00:12:40
their wages we have00:12:42
also received statistics here we understand where we00:12:45
are moving we understand the participants of which00:12:47
single there and energy systems we aspire00:12:50
to be and so on and so on. But where00:12:53
then can we find this balance so that people can and00:12:56
we do not have crisis situations in general00:12:58
in the system. This is a very complicated and long conversation00:13:03
in which you can manipulate a lot,00:13:04
but not for manipulation, that is, in fact, we have a00:13:09
lot of for 30 years, everything00:13:12
came down to manipulation, so I will digress00:13:14
from the topic. I remember how in one00:13:16
nationwide talk show, one of the00:13:18
deputies told that gas should be there00:13:22
for 3 kopecks for free, they00:13:25
started talking to him about how he is the owner of a00:13:28
gas company and for some reason he does not give away00:13:29
his gas people00:13:33
also work for free in energy companies,00:13:37
tens of thousands of people00:13:40
who also receive a salary, and it also00:13:43
grows for them, and it is their salary that00:13:45
directly depends on the revenue of these00:13:47
companies, and that of the companies depends00:13:49
directly on the prices, and it is correct that there is a00:13:53
system where everyone pays a00:13:58
justified price and the state00:14:02
helps to those sections of the population who00:14:06
cannot pay by compensating them with e-e00:14:08
subsidies and this system has been working in all00:14:11
countries for a long time, let's00:14:13
talk more about tariffs, they also said00:14:14
that due to the electricity they00:14:16
will rise, and then allegedly the00:14:20
nkrekp commission, which is responsible for the tariff,00:14:22
canceled this decision at the request of the00:14:24
authorities Is it normal when an independent00:14:27
commission that sees the situation and that it is necessary to00:14:30
raise the tariffs obviously because00:14:31
many factors indicate this,00:14:34
then it is, well, in fact, we regulate the00:14:37
tariffs. That is, it is not what00:14:40
our international partners, in particular, the IMF, ask of us. This is a00:14:43
rather strange situation, considering the fact00:14:45
that you mentioned that the commission is an00:14:47
independent body, it is possible here00:14:50
as it is written in the law, and the00:14:54
second00:14:56
objective reality is why they00:14:59
were forced to raise the tariff for00:15:01
water supply, because00:15:03
one component this is the increased cost of00:15:06
reagents for the purification of water, and the00:15:11
second thing is that in the tariff, how is00:15:14
the tariff for water supply calculated, the00:15:16
price of electricity was set at a rate00:15:18
that has not existed for a long time, and the00:15:20
current tariff would essentially drive these00:15:22
water supply companies into bankruptcy, which is00:15:26
very the reaction was strange because00:15:30
it was a public reaction from various00:15:32
officials, what surprised me the most was the00:15:34
reaction from the00:15:36
Minister of Energy,00:15:38
but of00:15:40
course you can make a discount on the fact that00:15:42
it is a war and it requires an adjustment of00:15:46
some kind of00:15:48
economic policy, but00:15:50
in addition to these public statements to the00:15:54
judicial persons, the00:15:58
surprise of the00:15:59
western parties came out, that it is called so because there00:16:02
is an00:16:03
energy community, which we00:16:05
actually joined in the 11th year, and we are00:16:09
obliged to implement these norms of the00:16:12
country without one and a half hundred and one of the norms is the00:16:15
demand for the independence of the regulator and00:16:18
they have already in fact started a case to00:16:22
investigate what happened. Why So,00:16:25
in fact, we have some pressure on the00:16:26
regulators,00:16:27
and if something goes into the public00:16:30
sphere, it is an iceberg. It only means that there00:16:32
is much more in the non-public sphere.00:16:35
That is, we can00:16:37
say with confidence, and I I don’t even00:16:40
miss it, I know that the00:16:42
embassies of Western European countries00:16:46
ask this question in a non-public way, they00:16:50
ask it to everyone and express their00:16:52
achievements. Yes, because, well, it can’t be like that that a00:16:57
body that should be independent is00:17:00
essentially under pressure, well, in particular,00:17:02
they talked about the fact that nkrekp According to the idea, it should00:17:04
be by law even by00:17:06
Tim's independent commission, for some00:17:08
reason, at the request or on the instructions from above,00:17:12
certain decisions were made not to00:17:14
raise tariffs and that's what happened,00:17:18
let's talk about gas, we haven't00:17:20
talked about gas prices for the population yet, and00:17:22
again let's compare them with00:17:24
European ones00:17:25
or how much they are? Well, I think many00:17:28
people there were interested in how they live in Europe,00:17:30
so gas is very expensive there and00:17:32
people live in houses somewhere in the winter where it is 1600:17:36
degrees, everyone there warms up in blankets and00:17:38
wraps themselves in blankets and Well, I don’t know what00:17:40
Ukrainian lands are really like from another side00:17:42
that's another question, we won't wash it00:17:45
today, what's the difference in the house, they heat it00:17:47
so that the temperature does not rise above00:17:49
16 degrees now, I think many00:17:51
refugees who went to different countries, I have00:17:53
acquaintances there in Britain, we can00:17:56
spend the winter in the family, well, Ukrainians say They are00:17:58
not used to such cold weather in the houses, because it is true that it is00:18:01
very cold.00:18:21
it was00:18:24
such a serious energy crisis in Europe, an00:18:27
unprecedented rise in prices, and this, of course,00:18:30
led to an increase in the prices of00:18:32
tariffs for the population in Europe itself, but00:18:36
with all that, the governments also00:18:39
subsidized00:18:41
this consumption to a00:18:48
significant extent. before00:18:51
the invasion, this price was fixed, and they00:18:55
continue00:18:57
to use it.00:18:59
Well, in fact, we did not have any such00:19:01
liberalization, this is what we should have done, this00:19:03
is one of the elements of our00:19:06
obligations for European integration,00:19:08
yes. Because sometimes it happens that people00:19:12
think integration is good, it's00:19:15
cool, but when they hear about some change00:19:18
that needs to be made, they immediately start00:19:19
arguing with the government, saying that they are electing us there00:19:22
already, forgetting that this is part of00:19:26
this European model that we are00:19:28
moving towards in our 20th year in the summer,00:19:32
what is called the00:19:34
liberalization of the00:19:35
gas market for the population was introduced, that is, the price of00:19:38
gas for the population was supposed to be market.00:19:40
But this was a period and why was it00:19:42
chosen then, because it was a period of such a00:19:44
serious failure of the world00:19:46
gas market, a drop in prices00:19:49
that began in the fall of the 19th year, and already00:19:53
for the winter. When it traditionally grows, it is not for00:19:56
gas, uh, at the beginning of the 21st year, the government went00:19:59
to freeze prices there, they set this00:20:02
level to 6.99, and already after that, in00:20:06
April or May,00:20:08
Naftogaz offered an annual tariff and00:20:11
then this annual the tariff there is at an almost00:20:14
constant level, it essentially stretches00:20:15
until now and you could say that00:20:19
this is a normal model if you do not take into00:20:24
account the fact that later Naftogaz says00:20:26
give us 300 billion because we are once again a00:20:29
hole Yes here Of course there are big questions00:20:30
to the efficiency of the use of funds, is00:20:32
Naftogaz needed in such a00:20:35
model as it works now, but the00:20:40
equation should converge like this. If00:20:42
something is missing somewhere, it must be covered from00:20:44
another pocket,00:20:48
here is a00:20:51
small note often Well, it is true00:20:53
that Vlad said that in Europe tariffs higher00:20:55
in the summer, salaries are higher, but dear, when we are00:20:58
indignant, only you are in different countries, in00:21:00
different ways, to the right, there are moments, yes, the00:21:02
general trend is what they say there,00:21:04
the salary, others, dear, when you say that you00:21:06
will keep our tariffs for gas, light, and00:21:09
water low, then you understand what the00:21:11
difference is it will be00:21:13
compensated from somewhere, you say, where does the00:21:15
budget come from, and the budget is What is it with00:21:17
your money, we will still pay, we00:21:19
will still pay for water, light, gas,00:21:22
unfortunately, small tariffs here,00:21:24
but they will take from the budget, the budget00:21:26
is filled with ours and yours with funds Well,00:21:28
unfortunately, it works like this, there is no other way,00:21:30
it will be paid from these taxes from00:21:33
our pockets, the money went to the budget through taxes00:21:35
and it will go to the Naftogaz company00:21:39
for compensation and, relatively speaking, Previously,00:21:42
people could hear And on our airwaves, the00:21:44
diversification of supply, the actual00:21:46
mining, Otaki are established you know things,00:21:49
again, you mentioned about manipulations00:21:51
and about the owner's knowledge of00:21:54
gas companies, gas companies about00:21:57
ethers and so on. Well, competition dictates00:22:00
and is formed. Well, we00:22:03
can talk about the full scale of different suppliers. We00:22:06
understand how much this or that00:22:08
type of alternative energy00:22:10
has developed in Ukraine and this is00:22:12
the future of our country, in principle, to be00:22:15
honest. Well,00:22:17
if we have chosen the path that we are going to Europe,00:22:20
then we must follow the path of the00:22:23
green transition, here, let's say,00:22:26
another very significant factor has appeared, which we00:22:29
can no longer ignore, and that is the fact that the00:22:32
European Union announced the green00:22:34
agenda as the key to00:22:38
deal with him, when Europe in 19th00:22:42
year announced the big green agreement, this00:22:45
means that in fact00:22:48
only00:22:51
countries that00:22:52
strive and demonstrate reduction of00:22:55
CO2 emissions can even have the right to deal with Europe if you00:22:59
want to export your product to us,00:23:01
we will adjust the customs duty of this product00:23:04
in proportion to what share of CO2 was00:23:07
in the electricity used for the00:23:09
production of the product, or in general, not only00:23:12
electricity, other energy, that is, as it used to be,00:23:15
our cement plants, our metallurgy,00:23:18
that is,00:23:19
we cannot to use, for example,00:23:22
cheap, relatively cheap coal,00:23:24
to pollute the environment, Europeans are00:23:26
investing a lot of money to reduce the00:23:28
reduction of CO2 emissions and flood00:23:31
their market with their cheap goods, that is,00:23:33
they said that this scheme is ending, and00:23:35
even China after that said that they00:23:38
will become neutral by the year 60,00:23:41
that is, even such a large00:23:43
economic and very cunning country like00:23:48
China, they were forced to change their00:23:51
policy, what should become Andriana, you00:23:53
understand, they said here, but it still needs to become,00:23:55
although for the planet Earth in relation to China, it00:23:59
will be a very important step towards the truth if00:24:00
it really happens because emissions in00:24:02
them extremely, because this is essentially the key00:24:05
truth. Yes, but you have00:24:07
not yet answered me about monopolists, and about competition,00:24:11
clarify the question, well, you see,00:24:14
you talked about Naftogaz, and I say that in the field of00:24:16
gas supply there should be several00:24:18
suppliers in Ukraine, in principle there are00:24:20
already certain processes And00:24:22
if we talk about energy and00:24:24
other energy resources there, it is not always like that,00:24:27
you understand,00:24:28
then they would lower the price, judging by the same00:24:31
commitments that were00:24:33
announced. We must become00:24:36
part of the European market, then we00:24:40
really have an electricity market.00:24:41
sufficiently highly concentrated because the00:24:43
number of companies is small, one big00:24:46
step has already been taken, that is, during the00:24:48
already full-scale war, Belarus was disconnected00:24:51
from the energy system of Russia,00:24:54
that is, in our country, most of them00:24:56
were synchronized with these countries, and we00:24:58
joined the war.00:25:00
partly because it had an article in the 23rd00:25:04
year, but then we found ourselves in such a00:25:05
situation in Europe that let's hurry up and00:25:09
they agreed to it, and in principle it00:25:11
was also one of the factors that helped us get00:25:13
through that winter because imagine Well, we00:25:15
had imports there Europe helped us to00:25:18
balance the system. Imagine that if,00:25:20
at the time of these missile attacks, we00:25:24
were a single energy system with Russia, that is,00:25:26
the situation developed differently,00:25:28
that is, one step has been taken, we can00:25:32
trade electricity with Europe,00:25:35
import, export in some hours,00:25:36
but we have not yet become part of the single00:25:40
market, the00:25:41
single European market, it works, well,00:25:43
essentially in automatic mode, and00:25:46
electricity, if it is cheap at the moment00:25:48
from a very distant country, can come00:25:51
here, taking into account the costs of transmission00:25:53
to our country and er,00:25:56
our previously huge companies They00:25:59
become they are simply small players in one00:26:01
large market, large companies in a small00:26:04
market are small competitors, clearly00:26:07
what keeps them in the continuation of our00:26:09
minutes Andrii, I am not adding to this00:26:11
question, to what extent Ukraine can become the00:26:13
president Well, Samitina also noted that in00:26:16
the conversation with journalists and the day, an example and00:26:17
asking what is the name yours does00:26:19
n't even seem to be over there - at the NATO summit in00:26:22
Slovakia, when there was an official website, what is the00:26:24
name of your nuclear power plant and00:26:25
so on, and he talked about the Zaporizhzhia nuclear00:26:29
power plant, they said, in fact, a third of the00:26:32
energy of Ukraine. That's what00:26:35
Europe says to us, we need00:26:39
your cheap energy, how much is Ukraine00:26:41
can become and, accordingly,00:26:44
receive certain benefits from the supply of00:26:46
cheap00:26:48
energy by the supplier of energy resources, I would say Yes for00:26:51
Europe, we have all the natural00:26:54
possibilities to do it, but to00:26:56
return it, the right policy must be followed accordingly, the00:27:00
investor00:27:04
will not come if the investment environment is not00:27:06
predictable if there is some kind of non-market00:27:10
intervention and if the investor will not00:27:14
make money here, we need a normal,00:27:17
adequate economic policy,00:27:19
aggressive in terms of exports, and only then00:27:22
these ideas can be00:27:26
implemented, but we need political00:27:29
will and the right economic policy,00:27:31
let's go back to the reforms about which00:27:34
a lot has already been said. Thank you thank you.00:27:36
Unfortunately, time is passing quickly, if only the00:27:38
expert on energy issues of00:27:40
the Ukrainian Institute of Future00:27:41
Doctor of Economic Sciences Andriyan Proker00:27:43
was with us, we will definitely see you in00:27:46
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