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00:00:00

[Music] No

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one was there for the sit-in lecture, so it's

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not a good idea to make it day 0.

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As you know, I'm reading yet another controversy

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Hiroyuki's tweet

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Actually, I came to Okinawa to interview a special feature on Abe Productions that will be aired later.

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To the locals living in Okinawa. I was told that I should

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see what it was like now,

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so I

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headed to the Camp Sign Language Club in Henoko, Nago City.This

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place started to attract attention in

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1996, when the

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Japan-US agreement for the return of Futenma Air Base took place

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near Camp Sign Language.

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Plans are being made to construct an airstrip for the relocation. Thank you

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very much.

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Amid opposition movements led by local residents, a

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US military helicopter crash occurred in 2004.

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Legal disputes developed, with Okinawa Prefecture suing the national government.

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In July 2014, when the government began construction on the land portion,

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those opposed to the project began a sit-in protest.More

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than 3,000 days have passed since then, and the

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sit-in continues to this day.However,

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when Hiroyuki visited Henoko in the evening, he saw a

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sit-in protest. No one did. It

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's more out of place than I thought. Is it okay to raise

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awareness when no one is sitting down?

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[Music]

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That's when I posted

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this tweet, and

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after that it became a controversy, and people just

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mixed in with the criticism and pointed out things like this. The

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sit-in

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will take place at 12:15 p.m. when the construction vehicles arrive,

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so at

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3:00 p.m. the next day, I

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ask again, and this time I see

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people who are planning to do a sit-in, and

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this person is

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stopped by the people who had gathered. Mr. Tahiroyuki apparently

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saw the tweet and said that because there

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were no people there, it was somehow

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widened to zero.When I

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took it yesterday, it was

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n't there.I'll be

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back in the evening.I'll be back in the evening.It

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says, 'Sit-in.'There's some construction work going on. I

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took this photo because it said it was a sit-in,

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but isn't that true? There was no

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one there where it said it was a sit-in.What's wrong with the photo? You

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can do half a day, or even a day, and then do

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a sit-in. That's

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not a sit-in, it's a protest code. You have to sit in for

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14 hours to call it a sit-in. Don't

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you think that a

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sit-in means sitting down and

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not moving for 24 hours? Does that have

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to be the case? The

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leader of the people who had gathered there made

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this proposal. It was about

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3 p.m., and

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a sit-in in front of the gate began. There

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were construction vehicles that could not enter the Shizuoka base, and there

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was a long line of cars on the road. There were not many people in their 40s. Yeah, I

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feel like I'm basically 51 or higher, so I'm

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here. I

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follow the master of the riot police and

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agree to move.

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Mr. Hiroyuki, who actually saw the sit-in,

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how did he feel about the current situation in Okinawa? He

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has no intention of seriously stopping the trucks. The

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people in the riot police also seem to be very kind and polite.The

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people who said things strongly to me say they

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don't say things so strongly to the riot police.Who

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is it that says young people don't sympathize with the idea of Okinawa's future? I

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wonder if it's the future for people who aren't Okinawans.

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[Music]

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From now on, I

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'll think about the person and the base issue, including the scene of the controversial tweet.

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Well then, let's introduce our guests.

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First of all, I'm Mr. Cearogai, a comedian and

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YouTuber.

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Thank you very much for your support. Thank you very much.

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Next, I'm

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Takashi Abe, a reporter for the Okinawa Times. Mr. Abe, please take care of me. Thank you for your support.Thank you for your support.Also,

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on the other hand, this

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is Jeffrey Ichiro Miyahara, a journalist who is actively reporting on the issue of U.S. military bases in Okinawa.Mr. Miyahara,

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thank you very much.Now, let's talk about

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this topic today. I would also like to invite Mr. Hiroyuki to

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participate in the discussion as a stakeholder. I'll

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quickly take a look at the memorial service that started it all.

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Well, I hope you've already seen it. I'll send it to you later to

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cover a special feature on memory disorders.

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However, you said that you went to Okinawa.

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Could you please tell me again how you made this tweet and what you wanted to convey? It turns out that the

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person with memory loss has never

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been to Henoko. So I do

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n't know if he actually had that memory loss, but

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maybe he just doesn't remember it, so he just wanted to see it, so I

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said, let's go. When I

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looked at the situation and realized there was no one there, I

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posted this on Twitter saying that if cycle attacks were not bad, it would be better to

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set it to zero.

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No, I'm watching this thinking that it's an amazing country to have so many people who get angry when you tell them the truth.Yes, then I'm

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going to ask some old people about it,

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but my first advice is

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how to look at this tweet.

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First of all, I do

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n't think Hiroyuki-san is the kind of person who would make this kind of statement based on his ideology or aggressiveness, so I

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thought, "Hmm," at first, but I have my own opinion.

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I see it as someone who is being criticized based on logic, but when I

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first came to Henoko, the first thing I thought was, ``What about the sit-ins?'', and you

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posted about it in a familiar style. Well, there have been some criticisms, such as the

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definition of sit-ins using dictionary words, and the fact that the

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sit-ins must continue, and

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this speech by Hiroyuki has

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been met with relatively critical opinions that deny it. From there, he

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brought up the results of the Nago mayoral election,

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brought up the results of the Nago mayoral election, criticized Tama Denny, and so on, and

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instead of presenting any specifics of his original argument, he continued to

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cover up other points and got to this point.

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Well, honestly, what I felt when I saw the first tweet was,

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if I

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went to Okinawa for the first time and

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listened to the people who went there during the time when those activities were going on, and listened to the people who were excited about it, even if it was just a flat phrase. At first, I thought that if I was thinking about the

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unreasonableness of the people being exposed to the situation, or the

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strangeness of Henoko's coordination, I would have been

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running. It's a

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matter of freedom, but

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personally, I

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would have liked to hear more about the simple issues that Okinawa is facing, rather than the side-by-side points of contention in a major base issue like the definition of a sit-in. This is a

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bit long, but with

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that in mind, what

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I'm thinking today is that

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Mr. Hiroyuki seemed to have doubts about the attack activities,

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and he apologized

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for retracting his comments. What you've done so

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far is

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kind of game-like, and

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you can't make mistakes, so

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I think it's difficult to understand when you're playing the game, so I thought I'd

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share what we already know today. Of course I knew that,

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but I'm sure there are a lot of people who

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said they didn't know that, so

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what would you say about the problems Okinawa is facing now that you know that?

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I'd like to know if it's coming out. Yes,

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Mr. Help, do you have anything to say?

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Basically, when I say that the facts are like this, it's better to say that's

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not the case, and

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this is what we want to say.

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I think the problem is that there are a lot of people, but

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what kind of impression do people have when they see the word "sit-in" written about them? In the

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past, someone was there 24 hours a day, right? I

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think there are some people who think that the image continues to be acidic, so for every hour in a day,

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according to Mr. Taro Ogesa, he is

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interfering with the truck for about 10 to 15 minutes. It

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takes less than an hour to go there in one day,

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so the words that give people the impression of an actual sit-in are

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different, so I

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thought it would be better to adapt it to the reality.

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I don't think there's any problem with writing that I do this three times a day for less than an hour, because it's

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true that I'm doing it, but don't write about it.This is a

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sit-in. I think it's wrong that

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people who think it's okay to make a misunderstanding or make a purchase are doing what they're

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doing.

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But even now, it's not like I'm going to

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tell a story that has nothing to do with my story, like, ``My back uncle is like this.''I

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think there are probably three people who will tell stories that are different from mine.

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Well, in the end, I think there are a lot of

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people who just want to make their own points rather than listen to what others have to say. Can

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I also

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ask you for a second?

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Yes, you were saying that this is not true. Well, in other words, it

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has not been confirmed as a fact that what is currently being held is not a sit-in, so

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I feel that it is a bit wrong to proceed with the story based on that premise.Yes,

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3011 days of sit-ins. When I wrote this, there

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are very few people who think that they work for less than an hour a day on weekdays, with Saturdays and Sundays off, so

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when Mr. Kawamura, the mayor of Nagoya, said there was a sit-in, it

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was 7 minutes, so no, Mr. Kawamura's 7

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minutes is bad. Well, they had pretty much all of Japan, so

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at that time they were holding a sit-in in front of Henoko for

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10 or 15 minutes, right?It's not

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much of a difference.Why

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was this sit-in in Henoko held? I'm sure

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Hiroyuki-san already knows that this is the case,

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but for some reason they want to tell a

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different story about this sit-in.Since they

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want to make their point,

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I

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should first tell them the facts as facts. I

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think we should talk about what we think is true,

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but because we can't explain it the way we think it is, it's normal to

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say that's what we think and

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push things that aren't true.

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I don't think it's a good idea to just try to convey our own demands. Mr.

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Hiroyuki has already

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established that this sit-in is not true. The thing is, I do

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n't think anyone would think that it was three sit-ins within an hour of each day when it was written that they were called

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sit-ins, but of course,

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people who know the movement in Okinawa, like Mr. Sale, think that way. But what I

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think you're misunderstanding is that the

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issue of the Okinawa Knights is not just an issue in Okinawa,

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but an issue in Japan as a whole.So,

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where should the US military bases and Self-Defense Forces bases be located?

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So you have to judge what Japanese people think, but when it

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says that it's a sit-in,

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many Japanese people think that it's something like a

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half-day or a

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24-hour shift with people taking turns.

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So if it's different from the actual situation,

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then the actual situation should be written properly, and

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I don't think it's good that there's an idea that they're trying to cover things up.If that's the case, then the point

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is from the perspective of someone who doesn't live in Okinawa. It makes me wonder if these people are the

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kind of people who exaggerate things or say things that are different from the truth.I

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think that would end up going in a bad direction,

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people. I do

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n't think there's any data on that,

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but it's just that Hiroki thinks that

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a lot of people think that.

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When it comes to providing a definition, the

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meaning of the word differs from person to person, so

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generally speaking, most people understand it in terms of the dictionary meaning,

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and in such cases, the purpose of a sit-in has been

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achieved. It says to sit and not move for up to 30 minutes,

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and that's what

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many people think.So, there

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are people who think that sitting for just one hour a day is defined as a sit-in.

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I think it's a minority. What I'm saying is that you should make it

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more compromising to suit the minority,

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right? Then there are

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those of you who think that a sit-in is one day and the weekend and holidays are the definition of a sit-in. I

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said, ``Why don't you just

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write the facts as they are?'' I said, ``I've been acting late for 3011 days,'' so I thought it was a good idea, so why don't you just write the facts as they are? It doesn't

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make people think that the people who are against it are the ones who just tell the facts as they are, but instead of telling the facts as they are, they try to use different words to exaggerate and convey a different impression. I think it's wrong to say that

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even in its current form,

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many people don't think it's a sit-in, so that's why you're

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telling them to explain it accurately. Yes, that's right.

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But

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as for whether it's accurate or not, that's the point even overseas.

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Sit-ins are different. I'm

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asking you to write down the facts of what you're doing. Thank you.

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Thank

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you. Next time. May I ask? Thank you,

00:16:20

Mr. Abe. How do you feel about hearing this far?

00:16:24

Good evening.

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Hiroyuki-san, you're still talking about this sit-in theory. I was

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surprised when I was listening to it.

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Well, just like in the video earlier, I

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asked where it says that it's not a sit-in if you don't sit in for 24 hours, and the

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woman

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said, and Hiroyuki-san

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said it was written in the basement next door. That's what I said, but

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I don't think anyone really understands that, but I

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never said anything about sitting in for 24 hours.I said that the meaning of sit-in is written in the dictionary,

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so it was 4 hours. It's written in the dictionary that you

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have to sit down for 24 hours and sit down for 24 hours.I didn't

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say a word.Please

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review the video.This is exactly the video that was played.The other person. The

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woman said that it says 24 hours, and

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Hiroyuki

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said that it does. Hiroyuki

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didn't say the word 24 hours, but the

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other woman said it said 24 hours.

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So Hiroyuki-san

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said to the mosquito, "I'm going home," so between the two of us, I

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think we're both in the same boat.

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What do you think? Mr. Abe, please, I'm going home. I

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think that's the meaning written in the dictionary,

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but as you said, it says 24 hours, and it's

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written in response to ``It's 24 hours.'' What you

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said was that you just misunderstood that. I think so, so it's okay, thank you very much.

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Please Mr. Abe, please, thank you. Thank you very much. As for

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this, I

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think I've already settled the sit-in theory, so Hiroyuki-san says otherwise,

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but I'm here. I don't

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think there's any reason to be so picky about it, and just now I

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saw the scene and said, ``I'm doing my best,'' and I was

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laughing, and

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even in the tweet you showed me a while ago,

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with a big smile on my face. I'm talking about peace,

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so I'm thinking about where that laughter comes from.In

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fact, I think I talked about it when Hiroyuki went to Okinawa in the heat,

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and I want to

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do that sit-in. I mean, do you really think there are people out there?I do

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n't want to do that, but the

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fact is that I had to do it and it lasted 3,011 days.And that's why you

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laugh.

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I think it makes sense because Mr. Hiroyuki knows that he is on the safe side.The

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population of Okinawa is 1% of Japan's population, but

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this time it is 99%. They would make fun of the Okinawan people,

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or they would say that because they didn't do it 24 hours a day, it couldn't be called a

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sit-in.Even if they tried to

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describe this kind of situation in this way, they would still be able to

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sweep it away with the power of an overwhelming majority. That's because

00:19:16

Hiroyuki is smiling this time. It's

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not because he's a particularly open-minded person that he's able to laugh. It's because he

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's on the stronger side of the power relationship that he

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has the privilege of being able to laugh. That's what I

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thought, and I'll close by saying, ``The base

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issue,'' which I'm going to

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talk about today, is

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exactly the same thing that's happening, and

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a lot of people on the mainland are

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forcing Okinawa to register.

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Even if you object from the key, you can laugh at it and let it pass, and

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with the power of many people, you can

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go through what you want. That's what

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Hiroyuki did this time,

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so you're

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pushing the base. Being on the same side, I'm from

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Tokyo, so I

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'm on the same side,

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but it means that I

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have to go out of my way to

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go to the places where people are putting their dignity on the line and resisting.

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I thought I might be making that mistake by laughing it off.Yes, thank you Mr.

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Abe.Mr. Higuchi.As I

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said when I asked, ``Can I go next?'' I wasn't talking about the facts, but about

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myself. As I

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expected, there were two people who wanted to convey their feelings, and the

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first one was just like you thought,

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so I thought it was interesting.

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Yes, to Mr. Miyahara. I'm sorry,

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Mr. Abe, if you have something to say,

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please. Please, it's okay. What I said at that time was that the

00:20:37

facts that Mr. Hiroyuki acknowledged and the facts that I said are

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completely different, so the fact that

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Mr. Hiroki exists is not the only fact.

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Yes, thank you,

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Miyahara. What do you think so far?

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Well, I think

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that the difference in perception regarding the word sit-in is what is being discussed today,

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and I have actually been to this site. I went there

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when I was a student and had the same experience.It

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says there was a sit-in, but there just

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happened to be no one there at that time,

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so I thought the same thing. However, that was

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my mistake in having an image of the word sit-in,

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and the people who were fighting on the ground were the people who

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were fighting against the protests that they called sit-ins. It was

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different from what I thought without any authority, and as

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Hiroyuki-san said earlier, you

00:21:32

were very immature, and as you said, you forced the recognition that this is what the majority of Japanese people should

00:21:35

think.

00:21:40

That's the right thing to do, and it's

00:21:42

not.What you're saying is definitely wrong.It's the very

00:21:48

structure of Japan that imposes that on Okinawa that forces the US military bases on Okinawa, and that's

00:21:51

what makes me so

00:21:53

angry. Thank you very much. I'll go

00:22:01

see the studio once. What do you think? So

00:22:03

far, that's it. It's

00:22:08

very difficult. As I was listening to this point, I was thinking, ``If I remember correctly,

00:22:12

I also sat down.'' When you say that, the

00:22:21

image that comes to mind is that there are people there all the time, even if they take turns, and that there are people here who are eroding it.This is just

00:22:23

my own image,

00:22:24

but even if it was just a protest.

00:22:28

Even if you call it action, I believe that there is no difference in the fact that you have spent a long

00:22:31

time and effort to

00:22:34

express your intentions,

00:22:37

and that's

00:22:41

certainly what I'm talking about right now.

00:22:47

Is it a reporter in the background? I'm sure

00:22:48

this discussion is different, but I'm sure there's

00:22:50

no doubt that this discussion is different, but it's

00:22:53

certainly true that people are

00:22:54

constantly talking about noise,

00:22:56

things like that, and things like that incident in the United States. I

00:23:10

think this is the feeling of the people of Okinawa, who are living in trouble every day, and even when there are problems, they feel a sense of distrust, as if the government has not been able to respond sincerely. Since I'm from another prefecture, I wonder if

00:23:13

I feel a little differently

00:23:16

about it.This is not an issue I'm taking lightly,

00:23:18

but I would like to ask you about the

00:23:21

feelings of those who are involved in the activities and the feelings of those who sympathize with them.

00:23:28

Personally, I thought that there are some places where it is difficult to get into the country because the government is taking over the country.Yes,

00:23:32

everyone was following me, but that's

00:23:34

right.That's why I

00:23:36

set the number 3000 days to 0.

00:23:40

Wouldn't it be better?

00:23:41

In short, I think it was a way of saying things that seemed to nullify the efforts they had made up until now, so when you said earlier that

00:23:46

it was causing a backlash, you

00:23:50

were just stating that as a fact. I think it's strange that it's causing a

00:23:52

backlash, but it's

00:23:58

more that I don't have any idea why people are angry about it.You

00:24:01

know, I think it's strange that people who think about this issue are

00:24:04

angry. I'm sure you're reading this, thank you.

00:24:07

Yoppi-san, let's go.

00:24:08

I've

00:24:11

been watching all sorts of things about this amazing commotion, but

00:24:14

in the end,

00:24:17

there are some parts where I'm kind of thinking, well, it's one or the other. Well,

00:24:18

first of all, to be honest,

00:24:27

I don't know if the 3,000 days of sit-ins that Hiroyuki-san was talking about are actually 24 hours long,

00:24:29

but I also think it's been going on for a long time, with someone being replaced. To be

00:24:32

honest,

00:24:40

when I was told that there are times when there are no people around, and only when trucks arrive, I actually felt a bit strange, and it was

00:24:42

probably

00:24:46

Hiroyuki-san and myself.

00:24:48

I think he's the kind of person who is the leader of all the onlookers, and he's the kind of

00:24:56

person who goes to see something and wonders what it's like, and then immediately says what he thinks on the

00:24:58

spot. That's why I went to

00:25:01

see it, and there was an overwhelming majority of people jeering, and

00:25:04

each of those people has the right to vote, so do

00:25:08

n't you think they vote?There are

00:25:09

many people in Okinawa as well, and there are many people on the island.

00:25:12

I

00:25:16

think there are more people who are looking at Henoko with a sense of ownership than there are people who have a multi-disciplinary mindset.However, as the

00:25:18

people at the head of the arrow gradually

00:25:20

look at Henoko, they gradually become more involved. The

00:25:23

sense of ownership has changed, and I agree with this and that.I think even

00:25:25

criminal gangs are gradually

00:25:27

divided, but they are

00:25:33

acting as they see it as a beast in a blank slate. I do

00:25:37

n't think it's that big of a problem in itself, but in the

00:25:39

end,

00:25:41

Me doesn't work unless the beast is involved, so I'm laughing at Nojima saying there's

00:25:45

no reason to say that because he said that.

00:25:48

I think it's a bit different for someone to attack someone before,

00:25:50

but Hiroki-san said that he was

00:25:52

laughing because he was

00:25:54

in the majority because of his sense of safety.Maybe it

00:25:58

was Hiroyuki-san. I usually laugh when I say bad things about others, and I'm probably trying to

00:26:04

neutralize my own poison by laughing.Well, I do

00:26:09

n't know where to hide my neck,

00:26:10

but this time. I feel sorry for the backlash,

00:26:13

so I tried to cover it up with a smile, but I

00:26:17

think the photo I took was actually like that, and I wonder if there is such a difference in life.To

00:26:20

sum it up, well, I'm

00:26:23

angry. As for the people who do, I think it's

00:26:32

okay to have an objective perspective on how Momo Yajima and Nojima are viewed.

00:26:35

There's something to be done,

00:26:37

so maybe it's okay to have a discussion about changing the wording a little bit.I think

00:26:41

Hiroki and Hiraki are the

00:26:44

ones who are taking action all the time. I

00:26:45

went up to him and

00:26:49

said, ``Isn't it better to turn it down to zero?'' with a smile on my face, and he

00:26:50

thinks that's annoying, but I

00:26:52

guess that's inevitable,

00:26:54

so we can see each other somehow.

00:26:58

Thank you very much. Is that what

00:27:02

the discussion is about? The

00:27:04

reason why the discussion doesn't move forward is based on the content of the message itself.

00:27:06

Well, as Yoppi-san also said,

00:27:07

this photo is

00:27:10

smiling and peaceful. I

00:27:11

feel like this is a really big deal. It's

00:27:13

really a

00:27:16

symbolic place for this issue, and if you think about it as part of the peace movement

00:27:19

or

00:27:20

consideration for people who have experienced war,

00:27:24

then this is quite

00:27:25

a place. I don't think it's possible to do that, but the part

00:27:28

about the emotions that fish have

00:27:31

is separate from the message, and I also thought

00:27:34

that part of it was because they weren't children.

00:27:37

But Mr. Hirose, what do you think about this?

00:27:40

First of all,

00:27:42

everyone

00:27:45

wants to make up their own minds and say things like Hiroyuki's actions are based on some kind of speculation.

00:27:46

Even I, I heard that it's a strange

00:27:49

feeling, and that naughty Hara. You

00:27:54

're saying that because I'm a member of the majority, I'm treated as the majority, but I

00:27:55

live in France, so I'm in the minority.Well,

00:27:58

putting that aside, I

00:28:00

have my own feelings, so it's

00:28:03

okay to exaggerate.

00:28:04

I don't think it's okay to lie, so the

00:28:07

fact that you have feelings means that you have feelings, right

00:28:09

?But we're from a

00:28:12

school that says let's correct things that aren't true with facts. So,

00:28:20

I think it's a mistake to say that we should accept the term "sit-in" even if it wasn't a sit-in because of our feelings.Thank you very much.But

00:28:25

unfortunately, this is a problem for the Japanese people as a whole.

00:28:34

The problem is that if people who don't have any attachment to bases think about what a U.S. military base is, what about a Self-Defense Forces base, this discussion won't move forward.

00:28:40

In terms of emotions, he is very emotional, and the

00:28:44

discussion doesn't really add up.

00:28:45

So, all I'm asking is one thing: What do you

00:28:48

think about Mr. Peace with a smile on his face?

00:28:50

Please plan something here.

00:28:53

First of all, if that signboard was

00:28:57

someone's grave, I wouldn't do that. Isn't that just

00:28:58

someone's company's dirty writing? What's

00:29:01

more, what do you think about the expression "that person's grave"?

00:29:04

Now, as I mentioned earlier,

00:29:07

this is a symbolic place for the Okinawa base issue.If you go back

00:29:09

even further, there is a history of the Okinawa line that has

00:29:12

been accumulated over the years, and right now, right here, the

00:29:15

protest movement is taking place here. I

00:29:22

think that's the part where your attitude was a fish, because I think it's reflected in that attitude.In

00:29:24

order to get what I'm saying to be heard, I feel like I didn't have that peace of mind and that smile.

00:29:26

That's

00:29:28

right, so that's just one point.I'm not doing this because I want to have a

00:29:33

sit-down discussion, so I'd like to

00:29:35

move on to that, but

00:29:43

first of all, there's no need to talk about the current dirty writing. I do

00:29:46

n't think that was the case at all, so that's where

00:29:48

Hiroyuki-san's insulting mindset came out, and that's why he

00:29:53

accepted it.The fact is that many Japanese people

00:29:55

think that way.If we do

00:29:58

n't come to terms with it, the movement will spread. It's true that what

00:30:01

many people think about exercise is true.If

00:30:03

you say otherwise, it's a lie or fact.I

00:30:08

think that's just Hiroyuki-san's own rules.It's

00:30:11

something that many people recognize. There's no such thing as being right, right? That's why

00:30:15

I think it's true

00:30:18

because many people recognize it,

00:30:21

and you who can't live up to it are just bad liars and exaggerators.I just want to

00:30:24

take that as an unacceptable thing. That's what I think,

00:30:27

and since only a few of us believe this,

00:30:29

Mr. Sharelord is now saying that it's true. I

00:30:33

'm not saying that it's true just because we believe it. I

00:30:34

wish more people would believe it. It's not just a matter of recognizing the facts, such as saying something is

00:30:37

right because it's true or because a lot of people know it,

00:30:40

but

00:30:43

rather, it's a matter of thinking about

00:30:45

what it means on a global scale.Then, let's

00:30:49

discuss the correctness of this.

00:30:52

Yes, I'll ask Mr. Ozawa, Mr. Ozawa, please. Well, it's been over 3000 days, which

00:30:54

means over 8 years, so it's been

00:30:56

raining and windy for that long. Even on the day of the typhoon, they

00:30:59

held a sit-in and protested there.Although

00:31:03

this is a national security issue, especially for people on the mainland, and it is a

00:31:05

problem for all of Japan, I

00:31:07

thought it would be nice to have a certain level of respect for them, and I just said that to

00:31:09

Abe. Mr. Shearaka said that it was

00:31:11

decided that this sit-in road would still be held, and

00:31:14

Uncle Shearaka said that this was an argument in error.I

00:31:18

don't think so about the question of the definition of a sit-in.I

00:31:20

really sympathize with that part of the clothes.

00:31:22

However, there are sit-ins and hunger strikes among high-class movements,

00:31:25

such as

00:31:27

people in prisons, or

00:31:29

people in prison facilities, who use only their own bodies to

00:31:33

demonstrate their protest movements. You have to realize that by

00:31:35

making things very casual, you are

00:31:37

weakening the very meaning of the act itself.Abe-

00:31:41

san, you just said

00:31:45

that you have the privilege of being able to laugh when you laugh. But no, no,

00:31:51

no, no, no, those

00:31:55

people have the right to decide whether or not to sit in for 10 or 15 minutes three times a day.In that

00:31:56

sense, they are also a privileged class. That's why I think there are

00:31:58

people who are like this, and

00:32:03

I think that the idea of a complete recovery as a movement theory is a failure because their

00:32:05

limbs are completely constricted and their bodies have no will to protest.

00:32:11

For those who don't have any other options than to use the power of physical activity, we

00:32:17

should have kept the options of hunger strikes, sit-ins, and other forms of protest using our bodies.Recently, however, we have been talking about

00:32:19

nuclear power plants and the Let's Listen Movement. That's right,

00:32:21

and young people, too, are doing things like

00:32:23

print strikes and

00:32:24

sit-downs on a very casual basis.I think it's really possible that if we

00:32:26

do something like that at an immigration facility, we'll end

00:32:30

up thinking, ``That's what it's like anyway.''

00:32:33

I'm 23 years old now, and when I was a university student, I

00:32:35

made a policy proposal that called for the creation of a minister in charge of dealing with loneliness.Today, we

00:32:37

have the third minister in charge of dealing with loneliness.As

00:32:40

expected, the liberal side has adopted a

00:32:43

system like this. There is a very critical view of this issue, and

00:32:53

I think there is a part of it that has neglected democratic processes other than policy proposals, protests, and signature

00:32:54

campaigns. The company itself has been updated and there

00:32:56

was only an old man there,

00:32:57

right?If we don't make an effort to update the company a little more,

00:33:01

this

00:33:03

issue will not make much progress and we

00:33:06

won't be able to attract young people to own the company. In that sense, this

00:33:08

definition is actually very important, so why not take this as an opportunity to

00:33:10

define it?

00:33:13

I think it would be a good opportunity to do that.Mr.

00:33:14

Abe, what do you think?Thank you for what you just said.So2 I

00:33:22

'm referring to one thing. I

00:33:26

haven't done it. Please go ahead,

00:33:28

Mr. Abe. If you don't do it, you

00:33:35

can't say that you did it for two days or three days. But the

00:33:37

sit-in was

00:33:39

a sit-in to stop that truck from coming. Therefore,

00:33:41

continuity is required for the work in that range,

00:33:45

but that is

00:33:47

not the case with sit-ins, so it is a bit of a judgment call to

00:33:49

combine the same thing and different things into one now. Let's just leave

00:33:53

aside the history of the Hunger Strike.The Hunger

00:33:55

Strike is actually a recent lecture campaign.If you were

00:33:57

that reporter on the 1st, you

00:33:59

probably already know, but we are doing it.Ministry of

00:34:00

Economy, Trade and Industry. It's

00:34:03

not like young people are doing it for just one day or two or three days,

00:34:04

so I think it's basically the same problem.There

00:34:07

are hunger strikes in Okinawa as well,

00:34:09

but as

00:34:10

I said, I'm talking about continuity.The reason is that there

00:34:13

has to be continuity, so it's

00:34:16

different from sit-ins.So

00:34:23

Mr. Abe thinks that continuity is necessary and sit-ins don't need continuity. However,

00:34:25

many people think that there is a continuity between hunger strikes and sit-ins.However,

00:34:31

there are also old men who eat bread for dinner and

00:34:32

call them hunger strikers. I don't think it's a good idea to make people

00:34:35

think it's easy to do,

00:34:42

because it makes people think that it's easy to do, and that's what I said earlier about the performance.

00:34:49

But the truth is, the

00:34:51

other Japanese people in the main hall, including myself, were

00:34:56

briefly mentioned earlier, but I do

00:34:58

n't think they were involved in the situation, so I

00:35:01

think they were the ones who were pushing the bases on them,

00:35:03

but in any case, the Japanese

00:35:06

When it comes to safety, I'm a party to the situation, so I'm asking you to explain it

00:35:11

to me, like the house so I can understand, and the

00:35:13

empathy medal.Why are you

00:35:17

looking at the customer? That's

00:35:25

why Hiroyuki-san added, ``If you don't write 9:00 am and 12:00 o'clock, you

00:35:30

won't be able to understand it.'' Instead of making it so that I can understand it so that you can understand it,

00:35:31

Hiroyuki-san, you should study it yourself. Well, do

00:35:35

n't you know that?

00:35:39

What are billboards for

00:35:41

? They're a

00:35:43

symbol of continuity, and they also convey to people who see them that they've

00:35:46

always been working hard here. You're putting up a

00:35:48

signboard for the purpose of doing so, but you're

00:35:54

putting up a signboard because you want the majority of people to understand,

00:35:56

right?But you're trying to make it seem

00:35:59

like the majority of people don't care about switching. I

00:36:07

'm sorry if I don't understand you very well, but I see that the

00:36:09

attack activities themselves are gradually

00:36:11

becoming weaker and weaker.

00:36:16

I also think that it is impossible to say,

00:36:19

but what is that?

00:36:21

As you said, it can be policy proposals,

00:36:24

election activities,

00:36:26

appeals to politics, signature

00:36:28

campaigns, etc. This is a

00:36:31

sit-in activity that is being carried out as part of the

00:36:34

3,000-day campaign, and to be more specific,

00:36:40

in response to the assault on a young girl that occurred in 1995, the

00:36:42

Futenma Air Base was to be

00:36:44

removed from there, and in doing so, it was used in various forms. There is a

00:36:59

history of complete demolition and the construction of larger bases, which have been neutralized by the government's great power and have continued to be undone. In response to this, we have reached the

00:37:03

point where the earth and sand are being reclaimed after all, so I

00:37:13

proposed that if we had to do something even stronger than those people, we would not be able to gain their understanding. I'm sorry, but I'm getting a little

00:37:20

excited. I'm trying to

00:37:22

stop talking about something completely different from the continuity story,

00:37:24

so I can't hear it. I think that's what I've been

00:37:26

protesting for a long time, because it's continuity, so it's

00:37:27

3,011 days, so they

00:37:30

want people to think that there's continuity.That's why

00:37:32

Mr. Abe should answer that now, and

00:37:36

it's not Mr. Mihara's point. I don't think so.

00:37:38

Mr. Abe,

00:37:40

can you please answer? I want to emphasize that there is

00:37:48

continuity, and

00:37:50

when it continues 24 hours a day, it is

00:37:52

expressed as hundreds of consecutive days, but now the

00:37:56

continuity has been removed. I think that the fact that it is written in 311 days or something like that is

00:37:58

continuity, and the

00:38:03

fact that this lecture has lasted this long means continuity.

00:38:08

When you use it, it's no longer continuous. So,

00:38:12

since the wording has already been removed, it

00:38:14

doesn't mean continuity anymore. If you

00:38:16

see ``3011,'' people

00:38:18

think it's continuous, right? I think in the past, 24-hour

00:38:20

monitoring was really 24-hour monitoring,

00:38:22

but now they don't do it, and they don't do it consecutively.They're

00:38:25

closed on Saturdays and Sundays, but they

00:38:28

put up signs to emphasize the continuity. I

00:38:29

think it's not true,

00:38:30

but I think a lot of people think that way, so we

00:38:32

have to do it, and that's probably where this

00:38:36

lack of acceptance lies.

00:38:38

Well, before I ask you to explain in an

00:38:40

easy-to-understand manner, I would like to ask you to explain in an easy-to-understand manner that this is the kind of people working here, but

00:38:45

first of all, I would like to ask you what kind of lecture activities you are doing.

00:38:50

As a matter of fact, I

00:38:57

'm a little doubtful that the people who are OK with that and give lectures are going to become all that.No, that's

00:39:00

not the point, but

00:39:03

what I was talking about earlier is

00:39:07

how they are confusing things with sit-ins and hanger style. That's fine, but if we look at sit-ins,

00:39:09

this kind of activity has a

00:39:11

certain degree of continuity, which is what gives it such an effect.In

00:39:14

the past, people used to say that it was continuous because it was a sit-in,

00:39:16

right? I'm sure you

00:39:21

understand the meaning of continuity,

00:39:22

but as I

00:39:23

said earlier, I'm talking about a

00:39:26

sit-in or a

00:39:28

lecture movement where you use only your own body. It's

00:39:31

really the people who are in limited detention, the

00:39:33

foreigners who are in immigration facilities, etc., and the

00:39:35

things they do have a lot of

00:39:38

meaning, and in short, they

00:39:40

are taking away the choices they have. So,

00:39:46

if you try to say that it's not a sit-in, or that a sit-in is just a matter of concentration, a few minutes, or a silhouette, it becomes meaningless,

00:39:48

because the people who are involved in the people's movements and proposing policies lose their meaning. You

00:39:51

can't do it.The

00:39:52

only thing you can do is go on a hunger strike or something like that, but that's

00:39:54

exactly what it is.The

00:39:56

meaning of what you have is weakened,

00:39:58

so

00:40:00

I think you should never run away from repair. We

00:40:05

haven't been able to play any kind of positive games at all with this machine, so why

00:40:07

not take this as an opportunity?What do

00:40:09

liberals think about this sit-in,

00:40:10

Hiroki-san?

00:40:12

But I've decided that to a certain extent,

00:40:16

I don't know how much influence this program has, but

00:40:18

I think it would be great if it became an opportunity, so I think it's okay to

00:40:19

think about the real significance of the sit-ins.In the end,

00:40:22

I'm still undecided.

00:40:24

If not,

00:40:25

I think we should have a proper discussion about this.Is there anything you

00:40:27

would like to say?Mr. Ozawa:

00:40:29

Yes, let me say something.It

00:40:32

's Mr. Ozora.It's

00:40:33

about the admission facility.

00:40:36

Mr. Ohsara, who is not even in the membership facility,

00:40:38

and the

00:40:39

public opinion in Okinawa.No matter

00:40:43

how much we oppose it in elections and referendums,

00:40:46

the views are being made and we

00:40:49

have to continue to sit down. As for why

00:40:51

Mr. Ozora, who has no position whatsoever,

00:40:55

is lecturing about the sit-in, that is his

00:40:57

privilege after all.I think it would be

00:41:03

better for people

00:41:05

other than those involved to think about what I said in the beginning. I

00:41:08

think Japan's biggest challenge is how to get liberals out of this exclusivity of speaking.I

00:41:12

think it's about the current situation.I

00:41:15

think it's about the responsibility of

00:41:18

one's own words. I have to accept responsibility and

00:41:20

speak out, so I think I should think about my

00:41:24

own

00:41:26

position and what

00:41:29

I should say here, not

00:41:31

just what I'm being told to do. Thank

00:41:33

you very much. I

00:41:36

feel like the citizens of Nago have been

00:41:38

turned over.The fact that the mayor was appointed means that the

00:41:41

people of Nago voted and the current mayor was

00:41:44

elected. It's used to

00:41:47

mean that you don't have the ability to think.Mr.

00:42:05

Abe, say what you want to teach us, and

00:42:13

say, ``The citizens of Nago City created the mayor of Nago, so I was created.'' I may have misunderstood something,

00:42:15

but that's

00:42:16

not what I meant. Thank you, that's

00:42:18

okay.

00:42:19

Please, no,

00:42:24

there are people who think of words like that. Well, that's what I'm

00:42:25

curious about, right? Well,

00:42:36

Mr. Osawa said it earlier,

00:42:38

but that's the only way these people have, so let's

00:42:44

define it one more time so as not to diminish the meaning of protest activities. There's a part

00:42:49

of me that understands what you're saying, but still,

00:42:51

what kind of lectures have you been doing up until now, and

00:42:54

now that you've

00:42:56

arrived at this technique code, and now that you're being

00:43:00

forcibly removed in the form of violence, you've settled into this form now.

00:43:03

Even though we have no choice but to do this, we have no choice but to do this.The

00:43:10

people who are conducting the current attack activities are also thinking about this,

00:43:13

and they are pursuing sustainability.

00:43:19

In order to achieve this goal, it is extremely important not to stop mid-way through this process.In order to achieve this goal, it is extremely important not to stop mid-way through the process.In order to achieve this goal, it is very important that we do not stop mid-way through the process.So,

00:43:21

in order to pursue sustainability, we have taken this form

00:43:26

into its current form.No, it is casual,

00:43:29

so it is better not to call it a sit-in. For a moment, I think you can understand that I don't want you to say that the current protest movement is going to be casual while there is still no definition of a sit-in.Thank you very much.What do you think

00:43:40

so far?There are still

00:43:42

people who have something to say. Can we move on?

00:43:46

I would like to use this as an opportunity to think about the base issue itself, but

00:43:48

if there is anyone who has not enough to say, I will take that time. Is that

00:43:49

okay? Let's go ahead and use lethal force. I

00:43:52

used that

00:43:54

representative. There are videos circulating of people being violent,

00:43:56

and they're also doing illegal things, right? The

00:43:58

representative said, ``You can't enter the line from here.'' I

00:44:04

said that I wasn't allowed to enter because I was arrested, but in reality, a surveillance camera showed me a

00:44:05

mess. You said that you're in on your own,

00:44:06

right? Yes, thank you very much,

00:44:08

but you don't have to force yourself to

00:44:10

answer. Is there anyone who can

00:44:12

carry this? Is it okay if you don't carry this? I mean, it can

00:44:22

really turn into violence like this, is

00:44:24

n't it? For

00:44:25

example, they decided to storm into the base, and

00:44:28

while there were other methods like that, they chose the sit-in

00:44:31

method, and they were using as much violence as they could, and of

00:44:36

course they were saying that it was illegal. The end is the end, and the means are the means.There is

00:44:41

also the fact that the end does not justify the means, so I'm not

00:44:45

saying I can 100% confirm that, but I do

00:44:47

n't think so.However, it has

00:44:50

always been like this, well,

00:44:52

bullying. "Don't bully me in a situation where I've been subjected to it. Please stop

00:44:55

flailing your arms around me and

00:44:57

stop bullying me." Look at me,

00:44:59

this is violence too.

00:45:02

What kind of violence have I received now? If you ask me what

00:45:05

kind of unreasonableness I have accepted and

00:45:08

continued to accept, and what has become like this, but

00:45:11

when that happens, I wonder if that violence is

00:45:14

okay? Well, it's not,

00:45:15

but why did it

00:45:18

become that way? Violence. I don't

00:45:20

think we should tell such lies.I think it's true that there are people who have been so oppressed that they're trying to

00:45:22

destroy it, even if it's by doing illegal things.However, the

00:45:27

burden is on... You said earlier that you were

00:45:29

trying to do it non-violently,

00:45:30

right? I don't

00:45:35

think it's okay to lie, so I don't think it's okay. I'm

00:45:41

trying to do it non-violently, but in the middle of that, a

00:45:47

scene of violence has

00:45:49

arisen, but I'm trying to

00:45:51

do it non-violently, so I'm

00:45:53

doing something illegal. He

00:45:56

then tried to cover up by lying about what he had done,

00:45:58

right? What do you think? The

00:46:01

intrusion actually happened, and Mr. Koji Yamashiro was

00:46:05

actually arrested and indicted, and was given a

00:46:07

suspended sentence.

00:46:13

Later on, although we were basically conducting a non-violent

00:46:16

movement, there

00:46:19

were times when things actually went too far and resulted in violent incidents, so the

00:46:23

fact that we were a non-violent movement was not a lie. I did

00:46:27

that illegal act, and I also used violence,

00:46:30

but even when I say it's a non-violent action, other

00:46:33

people say, no, no, that's not non-violence, right? No, no, that's not

00:46:37

true. That's hope. The fact that we are carrying out a movement for the fate of people does

00:46:40

not change anything, but it does

00:46:43

mean that there was a scene like that.

00:46:44

Therefore,

00:46:46

there is a sense of pride in violence within that movement.

00:46:50

Although we have covered up the charges, we are basically continuing to fight for the movement of the power of hope.There are

00:46:58

other organizations that are seriously engaged in non-violence, and there

00:47:01

are also these people who are involved in acts of violence.They are

00:47:03

doing it now. That's why

00:47:07

I think it's better to stop expanding that interpretation.Thank you very much.I understand your

00:47:11

point.Thank you very much.On

00:47:12

top of that, well,

00:47:15

just the word sit-in this time. I don't think so. I don't know what

00:47:17

the

00:47:18

background is. As

00:47:19

everyone is

00:47:22

saying, we should discuss the base issue itself, so I hope

00:47:24

this issue will serve

00:47:26

as an opportunity for us to think about it properly.

00:47:30

Hiroyuki-san, could you

00:47:32

tell me what you think in the first place? I'm

00:47:37

sure you can find it in my clippings,

00:47:39

but I have no experience with the situation in which Okinawan people are being harmed.

00:47:42

I think that should change.

00:47:44

So right now, I'm concentrating on Okinawa. Well, I'm

00:47:49

going to give Okinawa 500 billion yen every year, so I'm going to ask them to build a base there, but

00:47:50

then Saga Prefecture

00:47:52

will do it with 400 billion yen. If that's the case, then

00:47:56

I think we should just raise the price more and more by moving to Saga Prefecture, etc.If no

00:47:58

one else accepts it, then Okinawa

00:47:59

will receive 1 trillion yen, so

00:48:02

we can hibernate economically. I think it would be understandable if you said, ``It's

00:48:04

better to set up a base here because there are benefits to it.''But

00:48:07

right now, it's like military bicycles.Only the

00:48:10

rich have the money, so they don't have to spend that much money. There aren't

00:48:12

many benefits to the common people who suffer the damage,

00:48:14

so

00:48:16

I think that structure needs to be changed.The reason I'm

00:48:19

making fun of the actions of the opposition so much now is because of the

00:48:22

opposition. People think that the opposition is decreasing.

00:48:25

For example, the people who are against it are the ones who were

00:48:28

singing when I said, ``

00:48:29

Get out of the Self-Defense Forces, get out of the U.S. military bases.''

00:48:31

Who benefits from that? It's Russia and China,

00:48:34

so if they say they won't go to war with China

00:48:36

or

00:48:37

say Ryukyu should be independent,

00:48:39

then these people are

00:48:41

n't doing it for Japan's future, they're doing it in a situation where China has an advantage. It

00:48:44

looks like they're not trying to create something, so it's

00:48:45

okay to do

00:48:47

illegal things, so there are people who are trying to create an

00:48:49

environment favorable to China and Russia, even if it means doing illegal things. It looks

00:48:53

like they're blocking the trucks,

00:48:55

so I think we

00:48:57

should do something about the people who are against it, and

00:48:59

if we do that, the Japanese people will be able to deal with it as a problem for the Japanese people. It's

00:49:05

not just the issue of Okinawa, but the fact that no matter how many protests were carried out in Okinawa and

00:49:07

no matter how many prefectural referendums were held, the

00:49:08

construction work did not stop.Unless the

00:49:10

Japanese Diet is moved, this will

00:49:12

not change, as

00:49:14

Uncle Sealgai said. The only thing we

00:49:15

can do is protest, because it's wrong, and

00:49:18

how should we talk to the members of the Japanese Diet? The

00:49:21

members of the Diet don't think that base is good, so on the other hand, if the

00:49:23

members of the Diet from Saga

00:49:25

were to bring in the base, it would cost 400 billion yen. If

00:49:26

you say you're going to do it, they'll move on,

00:49:28

right? So we need to bring this into the conversation for Japan as a whole,

00:49:30

so those who tell lies and

00:49:34

those who seem to think they're not doing it for China.

00:49:36

In the long run, I

00:49:38

think that relations will be better if we properly eliminate Okinawa's treatment.Yes,

00:49:39

Mr. Abe, what do you think?Well,

00:49:43

speaking of what we just talked about, Mr. Hiroyuki, I think it

00:49:46

doesn't matter where the base is located.

00:49:52

I think it's something like raising the price somewhere in Japan and deciding based on the bidding,

00:49:54

but

00:49:58

if it could be located anywhere in the first place, it's strange that 70% of it is now in Okinawa.

00:50:00

So,

00:50:03

do you think we should all pay for the oven? I was

00:50:07

listening to what I said. Yes, I was listening. My

00:50:10

Saga prefecture is talking about bringing it home, and

00:50:12

if you say, "Hey, it'll work there." We have to

00:50:14

talk about Japan as a whole, so we

00:50:19

should have kidnapped the National Diet for all of Japan.Wouldn't it be

00:50:20

better to support them?

00:50:21

How exactly are we going to do that?No, I'm

00:50:24

talking about Japan as a whole. So you're saying it's because

00:50:27

of that issue, so

00:50:29

even if there's no money to buy it back, are you going to do it?

00:50:32

That's something the Japanese people should think about,

00:50:35

and I agree with them, but

00:50:37

for example, in Okinawa, it's up to the members of the Diet to make

00:50:41

a proper decision, and for

00:50:42

each prefecture. That's why I'm talking about specifics because

00:50:44

Mr. Abe should make the decision, but

00:50:47

just saying idealistic things like ``Shouldn't Abe open something?'' doesn't solve anything,

00:50:48

right?

00:50:49

Either way, both of us are

00:50:52

saying the same thing, which is to reduce the burden, so there's no point in

00:50:54

discussing it.It's a

00:50:56

waste of time.So,

00:50:58

Hiroyuki-san has an idea, so

00:51:00

what does Abe-san think? I

00:51:01

think that's what you're saying, and

00:51:04

I think what you're saying, Mr. Ebisu, is to reduce the burden, so what do you think about that, Mr. Abe?

00:51:06

Well, that's right, so what I wanted to say was

00:51:08

first of all, with that money.It's

00:51:11

also strange that you're trying to do something about it.

00:51:13

In the first place, it seems that even if you don't have money, you

00:51:16

can take over the job at that oven, and then you say that the

00:51:18

offer is very low, but

00:51:20

at a time like this, Tokyo doesn't come up, so

00:51:22

it's definitely in those regions, like

00:51:25

Saga, or Kochi. It also showed that

00:51:27

the story tends to go to that kind of place.Also, I

00:51:32

can't overlook that China a little,

00:51:34

but

00:51:38

there was a story earlier about China trying to create an advantageous situation, and this is... It's a

00:51:42

common conspiracy theory that claims that the

00:51:44

protest movement in Okinawa is Chinese spies working for China, but there

00:51:50

's no evidence of that, and it's

00:51:53

actually not true, so

00:51:55

when I went there to take pictures, the

00:51:57

Defense Bureau said, There was someone who said, ``Get out! U.S. troops, get out,''

00:52:00

and the people sitting there were

00:52:02

singing along, so there was

00:52:04

an agreement at that place and they made the announcement, so if it

00:52:08

was necessary, it would be China. I think you should take a look at it because it's being recorded.It

00:52:12

doesn't prove that it's a Chinese spy.They never

00:52:14

said anything about me being a Chinese spy.Overseas

00:52:17

repairs created the situation.

00:52:19

The facts that China asserted at that time are fine. That's

00:52:22

fine, but how can you say that it would create an advantageous situation for the creation of China?

00:52:27

When the

00:52:28

US military bases disappeared and the Self-Defense Forces bases

00:52:30

disappeared. At the time of Taiwan Yuji,

00:52:32

who was going to protect Okinawa and its Ishigaki Island? Those

00:52:38

were the people who

00:52:41

were raising their voice against the

00:52:43

US military base. Do you want to

00:52:46

protect them?

00:52:48

Can I ask you to tell me? First of all, let's go back to what we're talking about right now. Now

00:52:51

that you've changed your mind, you're talking about

00:52:55

why you're against the US military and the Self-Defense Forces bases.

00:53:09

Mr. Hiroyuki said that,

00:53:10

but I don't think that's true.The reason

00:53:13

why he opposes the U.S. military is because

00:53:16

it is

00:53:17

located in Tokyo, France, and other places. It's

00:53:24

because there is damage.What we're

00:53:26

selling here isn't security, politics, ideology,

00:53:29

or beliefs.It's things like things

00:53:31

falling, or people being killed.It's

00:53:34

because of the damage that we're selling, so we're telling people to leave.

00:53:38

Hiroyuki-san, that's just my interpretation of what you're saying, so

00:53:39

that's not true at all.Yes, thank you very much.But,

00:53:48

Hiroyuki-san, you're saying that you

00:53:51

think it's not a good thing that the burden of bases is concentrated in Okinawa. You also

00:53:56

said that we should consider relocating it outside of the prefecture,

00:53:57

and that's why you said earlier that it's a

00:54:02

nationwide problem, and that

00:54:04

we all

00:54:05

need to spread surveillance throughout Japan.

00:54:18

Mr. Hiroki said that it would be better for the protests to go this way. Well, Mr. Hiroki has a lot of ideas, so now, Mr. Yuki himself says that in the future, the burden on the bases in Okinawa is in a bad situation.

00:54:22

I think it would be great if you could send this message. Thank you,

00:54:23

Mr. Miyahara. Please, Hiroyuki. What you said

00:54:26

earlier, Hiroyuki, is that

00:54:28

in considering the issue of the bases in Okinawa, I would like to ask members of the

00:54:31

Diet, well, members of the majority of the Diet.

00:54:35

I think it's completely true that we need to move the movement, but I think it's completely different to ask the people in

00:54:38

Okinawa who are active every day through exercise to explain why it's not moving.

00:54:47

That's the threat to the majority of us living in Tokyo,

00:54:49

even though I'm immature and I feel like I'm about to be kidnapped.I

00:54:56

think Maru-san is also called this because she's from Tokyo and is involved in Okinawa. I think it's more important for us in that position to

00:55:05

think

00:55:07

about how we should speak to members of the Diet.Thank you,

00:55:09

Mr. Yoppi.So, it's

00:55:10

true. As you said,

00:55:15

I think the conversation finally started to become constructive, but

00:55:18

Mr. Inoki also

00:55:23

doesn't think it's a good thing that kitchens are concentrated in Okinawa at all, and he wants to correct this. In

00:55:25

order to correct this, we

00:55:28

have to talk about it as a whole country, and

00:55:30

if we talk about it as a whole country, we have to

00:55:33

think about how these people will be seen. If

00:55:38

we, like Mr. Hiroyuki, were to say to the people at the base in Okinawa that perhaps they

00:55:43

should do something like this, I

00:55:46

think they would get some backlash,

00:55:48

like the old man and everyone else. I think it would be great if Mr. Miyahara,

00:55:51

Mr. Abe, and other people who interact with the local people could

00:55:55

be a little more team-like and convey the message while interpreting for Mr. Hiroyuki.So

00:55:58

Mr. Sahiroki is also the final one. In short,

00:56:04

if you consider that we were just talking about a plan to reduce the burden on Okinawa's bases, we should have been able to

00:56:06

talk to each other if we had loosened up our emotions,

00:56:08

but the fact that we stopped just short of that meant that we were just talking.

00:56:13

I think it has something to do with how the message is communicated, and

00:56:15

this time around, Governor Denny Tamaki

00:56:18

himself even commented that he was disappointed, so I hope he will be able to

00:56:22

appear again this time.

00:56:24

However, today is

00:56:25

not convenient for me, so I am asking you to

00:56:27

ask me any questions you can at any time you can, so I hope we can

00:56:32

have a thorough discussion about the content. Thank you very much, Mr.

00:56:41

Abe and Mr. Miyahara.

00:56:43

Thank you very much.

00:56:46

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