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can you call the United States a sponsor of00:00:02
Yeltsin’s election campaign? vote00:00:05
or lose Yes00:00:07
[music]00:00:26
definitely this year marks the 35th anniversary of00:00:30
Yeltsin’s trip to the United States Yeltsin00:00:33
first called Bush and said that the00:00:35
Soviet Union as a geopolitical00:00:36
reality was ceasing to exist00:00:39
traitor traitor is not the right word00:00:41
expensive Yeltsin’s election cost the Americans00:00:43
Everything is known by comparison by our00:00:46
standards Yes, by their standards it’s mere pennies The00:00:48
Washington Regional Committee really00:00:51
existed in our power in the nineties an00:00:53
entire floor of state property was filled with00:00:56
employees of the CIA and other00:01:00
American And as the voluntary withdrawal of00:01:02
Soviet troops from Germany In ninety-00:01:05
four, which have been there since00:01:06
1945, which is reflected in the fact that00:01:08
today Germany is sending Tanks and missiles00:01:11
to Ukraine in the most direct way, the00:01:14
Americans have stood in Germany since00:01:16
1945 and continue to stand. Why00:01:19
and because I wanted to become one of the people,00:01:21
to be liked and to prove that I am your00:01:24
bourgeois a gift to America first of all,00:01:27
of course, against the backdrop of all this, the00:01:30
Americans allowed the transfer of power to00:01:34
Putin. It’s very joyful to see you again00:01:37
on our program. I want to start with the fact that00:01:39
I hope our audience will join in00:01:41
congratulating you on being awarded the00:01:44
Order of Alexander Nevsky. Thank you, the00:01:46
presidential decree was signed in February00:01:49
which I congratulate you absolutely00:01:51
deservedly, God forbid not the last order00:01:54
this year 33 years since the signing of the00:01:57
Belovezhskaya agreement which00:01:59
still has a huge number of questions.00:02:01
Please explain to me why the Belovezhskaya00:02:03
agreement was signed on behalf of Russia by Yeltsin and00:02:06
not Gorbachev, but because Yeltsin was the00:02:08
legal head of the Russian00:02:12
Republic, as you know, he won the00:02:14
presidential elections that took place on June 12,00:02:18
1991, and Gorbachev was the president of the00:02:23
Union of the USSR, which at that00:02:27
time formally united00:02:30
15 union republics, and after all,00:02:33
this meeting was originally00:02:35
planned as a meeting between Yeltsin and00:02:38
Shushkevich, that is, the chairman00:02:41
of the Supreme Council of the Belarusian SSR and00:02:44
then Kravchuk joined this meeting00:02:48
and Yeltsin loved such broad00:02:52
gestures and it was proposed a meeting not in00:02:56
Minsk but in the00:02:58
agricultural sector in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. And00:03:03
there, as they say,00:03:06
the idea of signing this00:03:09
very treaty on the creation of the CIS was spontaneously born That is, I00:03:11
understand correctly that this meeting did00:03:13
not initially carry an agreement to00:03:15
sign this agreement from the very beginning.00:03:17
Yes, no, that is, impromptu impromptu, and00:03:20
besides, this impromptu was born for this00:03:23
matter in the tank. Do you believe in this00:03:28
spontaneity,00:03:30
unity, the struggle of unity and00:03:32
opposition on the one hand and on the00:03:35
other there is no side because it is absolutely00:03:38
obvious that Yeltsin’s inner circle, in00:03:41
particular Burbulis Gaidar and Kozyrev,00:03:43
this Trinity, they already had certain00:03:46
outlines, moreover, back in September00:03:50
1991, when Yeltsin, in the rank of00:03:55
winner, went on vacation to Sochi, a00:03:58
Boer went there with him00:04:00
and he introduced him the so-called00:04:02
Boerboel memorandum, which few people00:04:05
know about. Well, in historiography it received00:04:08
such a name where it told him in black and00:04:12
white that if Russia00:04:16
now throws off its shackles in the form of union00:04:19
republics, then it will ride like cheese00:04:23
in butter, all its resources are most likely natural00:04:28
to the Russian00:04:31
budget, we will not date the00:04:34
union republics with our huge money and will00:04:38
immediately00:04:39
rush forward with full sail. As00:04:42
they say, Yeltsin, like a fool, bought into this00:04:45
bait because initially00:04:47
Yeltsin still had another idea to00:04:50
knock off Gorbachev and sit in his00:04:52
place then is in the CPSU and not even so much in the00:04:56
CPSU they have already attributed the CPSU to the President of the00:05:00
USSR And it is true that after the signing of the00:05:02
Belovezhskaya agreements, literally 500:05:05
minutes later Yeltsin called the USA Yes Bush Yes,00:05:08
this is some kind of fact directly or is it00:05:10
not a legend No this is a fact He himself Gorbachev talked about this and00:05:12
Gorbachev talked about it then Gorbachev00:05:14
was indignant at how it was possible to call not me but00:05:19
the President of the United States, it’s like such a00:05:23
humiliation, etc., etc., but it’s really00:05:26
so, yes, Yeltsin first called Bush00:05:29
and said that the Soviet Union is a00:05:31
geopolitical reality Look at the00:05:34
formula invented Yes, it ceases to00:05:37
exist Well, Seva’s nonsense, three00:05:40
scoundrels00:05:41
are dissolving a huge state, a00:05:44
superpower for the freedom and independence00:05:47
of which, some 40-odd years00:05:49
ago, so many of our00:05:52
people died, they took and kicked in the graves, including00:05:57
their loved ones and00:05:58
relatives of many of them Fathers and mothers00:06:03
died during the war. Well, take the00:06:04
presidents of Ukraine at Rovka; father died00:06:07
at the front; Kuchma’s father died at the front;00:06:10
let’s return to this call to the White House.00:06:13
What does he tell you about? He called to00:06:15
report. I think you understand. The fact is00:06:18
that Yeltsin did not then was perceived in00:06:22
the West as an alternative to00:06:24
Gorbachev. Europe was literally00:06:27
in love with Gorbachev. Europe00:06:30
considered him an equal in his hands. Well, they00:06:34
rather showed him that he entered00:06:38
into this very narrow gender of world00:06:41
leaders, and Gorbachev really believed00:06:43
in this fairy tale; it’s no coincidence that many00:06:47
memoirs contain It’s a rather00:06:49
curious fact that in the morning his00:06:53
assistants put on his table excerpts from00:06:57
leading European00:07:01
bread odes addressed to him and he00:07:04
read it over a cup of coffee on the morning sun and yes,00:07:08
yes, it was like he was getting positive,00:07:11
you know, he was a vain person, they saw through him,00:07:13
they are good psychologists and they00:07:17
figured it out especially this penchant00:07:20
for00:07:21
vanity, windbag,00:07:29
he confronted the fact that now you00:07:31
are not dealing with Gorbachev,00:07:33
Gorbachev is a dead card, he is the president of a non-00:07:37
existent state, now00:07:39
you will have to deal with me, why00:07:42
with me and because I am the head of a00:07:45
state with nuclear missiles That is, do00:07:48
you think this was exactly the kind of00:07:50
conversation? No, it certainly wasn’t this00:07:53
kind of conversation. He just made it clear that00:07:55
we, here in the original leaders of the TH Slavic00:07:58
republics,00:08:01
want to create a new state00:08:04
association called the CIS, no one can00:08:07
call it at all. And therefore, in order to00:08:11
to continue, as it were, the line of cooperation00:08:14
between us and the Americans, now you00:08:17
will deal with me That’s all00:08:19
this year, another date is 35 years since00:08:21
Yeltsin’s first trip to the USA,00:08:29
on that trip he swore allegiance to00:08:32
America, you know, there, too,00:08:35
he looked after him like the Devil in the00:08:37
snuffbox Well, he behaved there, frankly00:08:39
speaking, not comme il faut, but he also showed his00:08:43
tro, I say again, the Americans, the British,00:08:47
first of all, and the Europeans in general,00:08:50
very often in big politics they00:08:52
use the personality factor of the person with whom00:08:55
they are dealing, that is, they00:08:57
read it out before dealing00:09:00
with him round dances of the big polity, you need to00:09:03
understand what kind of person this is, showed his insides,00:09:06
showed his insides, that00:09:08
he is a Hamburg rooster, relatively speaking, that00:09:13
he is prone to abuse, and a person00:09:17
who is prone to these vices is easily00:09:20
controlled, and a Garsky rooster, what does it mean00:09:24
[music] to the00:09:28
rooster Lu What is called, remember how00:09:31
-my Sava Morozov built this00:09:33
famous reception house, now00:09:35
I knew before that you were a fool and now all of00:09:38
Moscow knows, yes, yes, well, before00:09:40
he says, I was the only one who knew that you were a fool, and00:09:41
now all of Moscow knows about it. Well,00:09:43
Yeltsin is one of these types of people you see, he00:09:46
showed all his stupidity there in public.00:09:49
Why do you think that he didn’t take the oath00:09:50
right then?00:10:01
see No, I do00:10:03
n’t see the connection in this, another thing is00:10:06
that a team had already begun00:10:09
to form around Yeltsin, primarily00:10:11
Kozyrev and Burbulis. But they00:10:14
were directly connected with, firstly, the00:10:18
American intelligence services, employees of the00:10:21
American State Department and with those funds00:10:24
that began to be created Americans00:10:27
here, yes, including for conducting00:10:30
election campaigns, first to the00:10:32
Supreme Council of the RSFSR and to the Congress of00:10:35
People's Deputies of the RSFSR, this was back in the00:10:38
nineties, and then Urav, in my opinion,00:10:41
his last name was closely connected00:10:44
with the Korney Foundation and the main capital for00:10:47
Yeltsin’s election campaign it00:10:49
was formed exactly here yes yes yes yes00:10:52
So they also know how they do00:10:56
n’t act openly and on snoring they don’t have any special00:10:58
need they have different mechanisms and00:11:01
ways to penetrate and not just00:11:04
superficially but quite deeply in00:11:07
order to keep their finger on the pulse and keep00:11:10
hand on the carotid artery you understand00:11:13
the government the government00:11:14
was also formed by the Americans Yeltsin00:11:17
says there Then in the USA on this00:11:19
trip I see that America is good and00:11:22
not as history describes us,00:11:26
terrible not as the00:11:29
history of the All-Russian Communist Party of Belarus shows us, yes, that is, Well, that’s what this is for00:11:33
it’s not just like that. Well, listen, there’s00:11:35
actually even more, well, there’s some00:11:37
element that will really appeal to the00:11:40
American people and even the average person, but00:11:43
here it’s more likely that he00:11:45
swore allegiance in this way to the00:11:48
liberal opposition that00:11:51
relied on Yeltsin, you understand, here or00:11:54
there here here here Popov was burning here,00:11:57
one of the main ideologists of the00:12:00
liberal opposition, he later00:12:02
admitted that on the one hand they had00:12:06
prepared for a long struggle and that00:12:09
for them the State Emergency Committee and the defeat of Gorbachev came as a00:12:13
complete surprise, they were not ready00:12:16
for this, that is, they had not even had time to00:12:19
properly form a team their00:12:21
program and so on and so on This is the00:12:23
first circumstance, the second for00:12:26
this liberal00:12:28
school, the recognized leader of whom They00:12:30
could promote primarily on an00:12:32
international scale There was, of course,00:12:35
Sakharov, academician Sakharov And when Sakharov00:12:38
passed away,00:12:39
it means that such a nest of spiders had formed there,00:12:44
each of whom saw themselves the00:12:47
leader of this opposition is Sobchak and Gavrila00:12:50
Popov and Yuri Afanasyev Well, and further down the00:12:53
list, and Sobchak, too, of course,00:12:55
Of course, I personally knew this man, an00:12:58
unusually ambitious person, an00:13:01
unusual one who made himself president00:13:05
by the way, which is why his personal00:13:07
relationship with Yeltsin did not work out.00:13:09
formed with Putin And Sobchak and00:13:11
Putin Well listen, this is a completely different00:13:15
story of relationships What Well, Putin00:13:18
then, in general, did not00:13:20
lay claim to anything and, as far as I understand, did not00:13:23
even express hints that he00:13:26
could ever become a competitor to00:13:29
Sobchak at the World Cup he worked in Sobchak's team,00:13:33
judging by his psychotype, he is generally a00:13:36
team person, that is, he is used to working00:13:39
in a team, even now he has become a00:13:41
leader, Well, not now, but more than 2000:13:44
years ago, having taken a leadership00:13:47
position, he works in a team And00:13:49
Yeltsin I saw a competitor in the hill Of course00:13:51
And I was very afraid I was very afraid so00:13:56
he pushed him away From himself and me in a generally00:13:59
strange way Why did one of00:14:01
Sobchak’s closest associates end up in the00:14:04
presidential administration, but I think that00:14:06
one event played a key role there,00:14:09
you know, it’s called a00:14:11
lice test You mean Putin about Putin Yes,00:14:14
when he organized Sobchak’s departure to00:14:18
Paris, it’s worth a lot for the people00:14:21
who are there that he is his00:14:24
patron, the boss of an already defeated one. It would seem that you00:14:27
step back from him and suddenly you are in conditions00:14:32
where he is threatened with real arrest, and there00:14:34
really is already Sobchak’s question Orest00:14:38
Here you are, Fraktus plane, and you send him00:14:43
abroad, thereby saving him from arrest,00:14:46
for them it was an act, and for them it00:14:48
was an act, of course, an indicator. After all, you00:14:52
understand the disease of all leaders of all00:14:56
times and peoples, especially ours, is00:14:59
that they do not understand their00:15:02
neighbor well surrounded and often become00:15:06
victims of precisely this inner Circle. Well,00:15:09
take for example the fate of the Ruv or the00:15:12
same Gorbachev, because they were betrayed by people from the00:15:15
innermost00:15:17
Circle from the innermost Circle, the same as00:15:20
Nicholas00:15:22
II, he was betrayed by people from the innermost00:15:25
Circle and such examples I MSU are00:15:29
like that very00:15:32
valuable because they are afraid they are afraid of00:15:35
betrayal in the inner circle00:15:37
after all, Yeltsin Well, these liberals,00:15:40
that is, the Democrats there, wanted to swear allegiance00:15:44
or not, but he swore allegiance to them, he also left the00:15:47
Party, a public exit from the Party, and00:15:50
he was staged00:15:57
[music]00:15:59
silently nothing didn’t write, he went to the00:16:01
rostrum of the party congress00:16:04
when members of the00:16:07
new central committee of the party were nominated and elected and00:16:10
declared that there was no need to consider00:16:12
his00:16:13
candidacy for the Central Committee because he, as the00:16:17
president of all00:16:19
Russians, must, alas, leave the Party,00:16:24
you understand. And then in America, here he00:16:28
said when he already became president00:16:30
and when after the collapse of the Union he said00:16:34
this, God bless America and when he00:16:37
said that the Idol of communism has been defeated and will00:16:40
never be reborn on our land.00:16:43
The Idol of communism, which brought the blood of enmity00:16:48
and suffering to millions and millions of people, is00:16:50
a traitor, a traitor, not yet word00:16:53
listen, the communists turned out to be00:16:56
the only political force in the whole00:16:58
world00:17:00
who, with their00:17:02
visors open, declared a war for life and00:17:05
death against fascism, world00:17:07
fascism, the first to be hanged, tortured,00:17:11
killed, burned, were the fascists - they were00:17:14
communists; moreover, when the00:17:16
Great Patriotic War began, an00:17:19
order was issued for the army in the Wehrmacht that Jews and00:17:23
communists should be shot on the spot, you00:17:26
understand And then, several decades later, you00:17:29
say such disgusting things,00:17:31
you didn’t say that fascism, that your00:17:34
ideology of fascism, the ideology of your00:17:38
Anglo-Saxon fascism, French00:17:41
fascism, German fascism, we00:17:44
know all this, including in00:17:46
French and German and in the00:17:48
Anglo-Saxon writings of the00:17:51
10th-1st00:17:53
centuries, sweep away the enmity of00:17:57
Ivi millions of human lives. And your00:18:01
Roman Catholic Church, which00:18:03
set fire to the whole of Western Europe in the fight against the00:18:07
so-called heretics and witches, why did00:18:11
n’t you00:18:13
repent? Well,00:18:16
what did you say and everything and remain silent, but with00:18:20
the Stalinist repressions you have been carrying around a00:18:23
bag that has already been written off for 40 years and you can’t00:18:25
calm down,00:18:27
they told you a long time ago that you lied everywhere, that it00:18:31
wasn’t on that scale, that a significant00:18:33
part of those repressed were00:18:36
repressed for a cause and for specific00:18:38
crimes and not just because it’s an00:18:40
anecdote somewhere I told you I just00:18:43
wrote an article specifically for literature00:18:45
for the anniversary of Nikita Khrushchev But since this is a00:18:48
newspaper article, the scale is not very large,00:18:52
I took two main plots there00:18:54
related precisely to the rehabilitation of the so-00:18:57
called innocent people and with his00:19:01
economic quirks that00:19:04
cost us more what is essentially dear to the00:19:07
death of our state But this is a00:19:09
separate topic I now have a00:19:12
book about this just about in a week, there maybe00:19:15
two maximum lies and truths about the00:19:17
Soviet economy will be called this00:19:19
book is large, 800-odd sheets, so here it is00:19:23
when the former commission was in00:19:27
June or July of 1950, the00:19:31
central commission was headed by00:19:33
Rudenko, then Prosecutor General A. And so,00:19:37
after 10 months of their work, they00:19:40
sent to the Presidium of the Central Committee, well, first of all,00:19:43
Khrushchev’s note00:19:45
on the results of their work,00:19:49
250,000 cases were considered there, and in00:19:52
Ukraine for this period They examined00:19:55
a little more than 94,000 cases and this commission of the00:20:09
rehabilitated was00:20:11
tasked with digging its nose and00:20:15
rehabilitating as much as possible by proving the criminality of the00:20:17
Stalinist regime. And in general, these00:20:19
political repressions, as a result of00:20:21
their vigorous work,00:20:24
come to the conclusion that yes, they were convicted00:20:27
innocently, but00:20:31
in this case the former kulak is clear, yes,00:20:36
that is, there was most likely some kind of resentment. I do00:20:39
n’t think that it was of some kind of00:20:42
deep-seated nature,00:20:45
otherwise he would not have joined the00:20:47
Komsomol, much less the party, on the one00:20:50
hand, on the other hand, maybe it00:20:51
was necessary Well, it’s difficult for me to00:20:59
oppose this hatred of mine and the00:21:02
existing system of the Communist Party, and so00:21:04
on and so on. What happened to a00:21:06
person? Elementary00:21:09
degeneration of a person occurred. There are a lot of such examples in00:21:12
history. If you take for00:21:14
example the same00:21:16
Vlasov, these are the critical circumstances00:21:20
they always put a person before00:21:24
the00:21:27
choice, you are one straight line, absolutely Yeltsin00:21:30
Vlasov and all these are Vlasovites, for them,00:21:33
for everyone, this term is, as00:21:38
you know, the seal means. And what does it mean to be00:21:41
reborn as a person who has renounced, you00:21:44
know, a person renounces00:21:45
his Motherland, from his mother, from his00:21:47
father, from his own ideals of principles from00:21:51
himself in what he believed in what he00:21:54
loved what was00:21:56
dear to him he becomes a mutant Ivan00:21:59
Nepomnyashya kinship and today's government00:22:01
understands this someone yes someone no someone00:22:04
such a mutant by the way only Zakirov is an enemy00:22:07
therefore It’s no coincidence that we are told that00:22:10
we have a Fifth Column in power, and00:22:12
at different levels of power, don’t think that the00:22:15
most dangerous one, by the way, is that the Fifth Column is00:22:17
not at the very top, it’s00:22:21
dangerous itself, just on the second third00:22:23
floors of00:22:24
power, especially00:22:27
non-public ones, no one really knows They00:22:30
will crap, so to speak, in small things, but00:22:32
methodically and constantly,00:22:34
and during official events they will00:22:37
make the right speeches, applaud,00:22:40
shout, Russia Russia But what should we00:22:42
do with these people? create a00:22:44
real00:22:47
system for selecting Pestov’s training of00:22:50
personnel Stalin was able to00:22:54
do this, that’s why we won the war,00:22:56
that’s why we have become a00:22:59
great super power in 10 years in 1000:23:04
years00:23:06
Poluyana Russia has created such an00:23:09
industrial power that was able to00:23:12
break the back of the whole of Europe, not only00:23:16
Nazi Germany, listen, the00:23:19
Americans seemed to be our allies,00:23:22
but 30 of all German cars during the00:23:26
war,00:23:29
and how was the voluntary withdrawal of Soviet troops00:23:32
from Germany Yes, in ninety years, and00:23:35
who have been there since forty-five, yes, it00:23:39
affects the fact that today Germany00:23:42
is sending Tanks and missiles to Ukraine in the most00:23:45
direct way, in the most direct way.00:23:48
Moreover, I want to say that when00:23:51
the documents on the unification of the00:23:54
two Germanys were signed, the question of the withdrawal of troops in general00:23:58
the Americans didn’t stand like they stood in00:24:01
Germany since 1945, so they00:24:03
continue to stand. We wanted00:24:06
to please everyone, you know, and how we00:24:09
brought them out, we just threw people out in an open00:24:12
field, and there we had a huge00:24:14
group of00:24:27
half a million people in Germany, not only in00:24:29
Germany but in other countries, which means00:24:33
Eastern Europe should have reached00:24:35
Laman in a month, all of Europe would have been00:24:39
Soviet and we would now live in a completely00:24:42
different00:24:43
world, you know, and this powerful00:24:47
group. Well, listen. There was the00:24:50
sixteenth air army, you know00:24:52
how many aircraft it had,00:24:55
2,000,00:24:58
can you imagine the Armada of 2000 airplanes,00:25:01
helicopters and so on00:25:03
rises over00:25:05
Europe Indestructible force Yes00:25:08
Indestructible, legendary in battles,00:25:10
who have known the Glory of victories to you, our beloved00:25:13
native army sends a song to you Our Motherland sends a song00:25:17
Hello If our troops were still there,00:25:19
Germany would not have dared, but00:25:22
if our troops were still there if00:25:25
there were garrisons in Germany, then00:25:29
NATO's advance to the east would be00:25:31
pointless,00:25:32
you know, that is, this wouldn't have happened.00:25:35
Nata wouldn't exist. Just, well, I don't know,00:25:38
maybe it was like a club of interests,00:25:40
you know, if our troops00:25:43
were there, we would be strong side00:25:46
we would have trump cards in our hands and we could00:25:48
really bargain with them How many00:25:51
NATO expansions were there in 1945? Well, the00:25:53
first expansion was in00:25:55
1952 when Turkey and Greece00:25:58
became members of NATO, then for a long time there00:26:02
was no expansion then in00:26:04
1975 year two eight two three and00:26:08
after the collapse of the Soviet Union like00:26:10
Snezhko Why did you then In ninety-00:26:12
four Yeltsin agrees to the00:26:14
withdrawal of troops from Germany, he doesn’t just00:26:17
agree, he initiates an accelerated00:26:20
withdrawal of troops Why and because I wanted to00:26:23
become one of the board like I00:26:25
wanted to join seven00:26:28
to break your head and prove that I am your00:26:32
bourgeois I am the same as you, well00:26:35
Please accept me a gift from America first00:26:37
of all of course Of course Because our00:26:41
group of troops was like a bone in the00:26:44
throat of the Americans first of all00:26:45
Naturally they would be like a bull in a00:26:49
china shop on the territories of Europe00:26:51
would certainly not have operated and in December00:26:54
they would not have bombed Yugoslavia with impunity00:26:57
if there had been a group of half a million of00:27:00
our troops. Why were the American00:27:03
troops not withdrawn from Germany and00:27:06
they were not going to withdraw from there? In00:27:09
this case, I think I remember Den00:27:12
Rask in my opinion, Well, one of00:27:18
the Secretary of State, or in 1947,00:27:21
held meetings of the governors of the western00:27:24
states of the West German states and directly00:27:27
said00:27:28
that even if the last Soviet soldier00:27:32
left German territory, the Americans would00:27:34
not move an inch. The fact is that in00:27:37
1981 they came to power The Reagan administration is coming to America,00:27:41
and Reagan is a00:27:45
man who imagines himself to be the messiah, that00:27:49
is, the messenger of God on earth who00:27:52
was supposed to crush the world evil,00:27:55
communism, it is not by chance that all his maxims00:27:57
are that the Soviet Union is an evil empire,00:28:00
that we are declaring a crusade against00:28:03
him, moreover, Dada After all, in00:28:06
the administration, when he came to his first00:28:09
term, he created a special strictly secret00:28:11
group, the personal composition00:28:15
of this group is still the subject of discussion,00:28:18
and the00:28:21
US Secretary of State, the same Shultz,00:28:24
for example, did not even know about its existence, and Wayne Berger did not know00:28:28
and he gave them the command to develop the plan for the00:28:32
collapse of the Soviet Union in all00:28:34
vectors, politics, economics, ideology, and00:28:37
so on and so on, they successfully00:28:40
worked on this plan and part of this00:28:42
plan was implemented, and in parallel,00:28:45
look, since the00:28:47
year 1983,00:28:50
relations with the Americans have sharply worsened,00:28:52
and the problem of placing Pershing in In Europe00:28:56
on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany there were provocations with the00:28:59
shooting down of a South Korean Boeing and so on00:29:01
and so on. The world was really on the00:29:04
verge of a nuclear00:29:06
disaster, all our negotiating00:29:08
platforms were00:29:09
closed. We had two main platforms00:29:12
in Geneva and Vienna for conventional and00:29:15
strategic weapons, and that’s when the00:29:20
working groups have already begun to leave for00:29:22
their homes, then the00:29:25
head of one Group of Iran00:29:30
had a private conversation with00:29:32
US Vice President George H.W.00:29:46
Soviet00:29:49
leadership, but with only one person and00:29:52
the name Gorbachev was mentioned Yes,00:29:54
Israel writes that I was so00:29:57
amazed by such impudence and cynicism00:30:01
of the Americans, I didn’t even00:30:03
dare to transmit this information via the embassy communication code,00:30:06
I immediately flew to Moscow,00:30:08
met with Gromyko and passed this information on to00:30:11
him Gromyka didn’t answer me anything,00:30:15
he said he looked through me,00:30:17
as if through a wall somewhere in the distance, and then00:30:20
immediately turned the conversation to another topic.00:30:30
That’s when, in a strange way, the00:30:35
game began with the nomination of Mikhail00:30:38
Sergeevich for the post of Secretary General. Where did00:30:40
Yeltsin ultimately come from if the bet was00:30:43
on Gorbachev? The Americans mean00:30:45
when the Soviet Union went into disarray, they00:30:48
already realized that the parade00:30:50
of sovereignties00:30:54
like00:30:58
him had begun and organized a trip to the USA. He did00:31:01
n’t go there on his own, he00:31:03
actually went to the bride and they00:31:06
were convinced that this was the person who00:31:08
represented a certain person for them00:31:10
they were also interested in playing loyalty with00:31:12
Gorbachev, moreover, they were still inflating00:31:16
his soap bubble, well, the main thing is to replace00:31:18
communism, well, the main thing is to replace00:31:20
communism, yes And the main thing is that Vasya00:31:23
the Soviet created00:31:26
the Union, remember then there00:31:30
was a parade of sovereignties not only in the union00:31:32
republics but also autonomous republics00:31:34
Why did Yeltsin, during his00:31:36
election campaign in the ninety-first00:31:38
year, wander around the regions and shouted to the00:31:41
Tatars and Bashkirs Well, and to the others, take as much00:31:44
sovereignty as you can swallow.00:31:47
You see, and then it all resulted,00:31:49
we know, and by the way, the00:31:52
same thing could have happened in the Chechen massacre And in00:31:54
Tatarstan there the Tatar nationalists raised their heads,00:31:56
but there we must pay tribute, of00:31:59
course, to the then leader of00:32:01
Tatarstan, Timi Shaimiev, who was00:32:05
of course a wise man, a00:32:07
cunning man, but a00:32:11
responsible man, because God forbid, a war00:32:13
would really break out in the Volga region,00:32:15
this is not the North Caucasus. Sorry, while00:32:18
preparing for the interview, I found such not00:32:20
I know, refute or confirm00:32:23
the information that through its ambassador the United States00:32:25
transferred money to bribe the00:32:28
military Divisions that were supposed to00:32:30
go over to Yeltsin’s side during the00:32:32
putsch Yes, this is a fact, the way it is, yes you00:32:35
confirm Well, this is an absolute00:32:37
crime Well, listen, we00:32:40
had a whole lot of [ __ ] back then a crime00:32:42
under the slogans of creating a rule-of-law00:32:45
state, notice how00:32:47
cynical and vile People under the slogan of00:32:50
creating a rule-of-law state were going on in our country,00:32:58
everything and all union00:33:00
republican legislation was violated, and00:33:02
any student lawyer was00:33:06
blatantly violated without leaving the cash register a00:33:09
list of gross00:33:11
violations of the union republican00:33:14
Constitution for which the person00:33:16
should have immediately been brought to criminal00:33:18
responsibility, no one did anything,00:33:21
everyone presented the case in this00:33:26
way, for all these you know, when00:33:30
Yeltsin, for example, during the period of the storm, even during00:33:32
the period of the storm, mind you, he began00:33:49
to overhear00:33:55
the article with his normative decrees. You understand, this is what we are talking about therefore00:33:58
Indeed, in August of the ninety-00:34:00
first year, a00:34:03
coup d'etat took place, but this00:34:05
coup d'etat was carried out not by members of the State Emergency Committee, but by00:34:08
Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin with his00:34:09
American friends, and who, on the00:34:11
quiet, essentially removed00:34:13
Gorbachev from power,00:34:16
he really had nothing in reality So00:34:18
he returned from Foros when he was already a00:34:21
general without an army, you understand. And it’s true00:34:23
that as payment for his support,00:34:26
Yeltsin sent the American00:34:28
enriched Uranium pra for next to nothing. Well, this is the00:34:32
famous deal of the mountains black and, in00:34:36
my opinion, we are still delivering under this00:34:38
deal Americans Urania Rich So this is how the00:34:41
Washington Regional Committee00:34:43
really existed in our government00:34:46
in the nineties Well, yes, of course yes Well,00:34:48
take for example the privatization there00:34:51
in America, some00:34:54
intelligence officers were tried for carrying out00:34:58
privatization. What criminal methods were used?00:35:01
With what violation of the law was00:35:03
privatization carried out here and they00:35:06
they got a big deal out of it there in00:35:09
America they were recognized as00:35:11
criminals and convicted for it. Well, what are00:35:14
we talking about then, you know? So that’s00:35:17
it. Well, these are just medical facts, this is a00:35:19
medical fact that does not require00:35:22
proof. Why Because all the00:35:24
evidence has long been laid out00:35:30
by the administration Well, for example, in the00:35:32
state property there was a whole floor00:35:35
filled with representatives of both the State Department and the00:35:38
Central Intelligence Directorate and00:35:40
other American structures. Just like00:35:42
now in Kiev, in the SBU building, the whole floor was00:35:46
filled with CIA employees, just like in our country the00:35:49
whole floor of the State Committee was filled with00:35:53
employees of the CIA and other structures00:35:56
American00:35:58
So no one really hid this,00:36:01
that is, they simply00:36:03
acted brazenly like a bull in a china shop and00:36:06
showed who is the00:36:09
boss in the nineties. These empty00:36:12
counters are why they were empty. If00:36:15
factories and factories were working, one of the00:36:17
proven versions is that this is crime in00:36:21
the union with the trade mafia, he specially00:36:24
created social00:36:28
power. That is, this is a shortage of products, it00:36:31
was made in order to inflame00:36:32
society, of course, artificially. Yes, this00:36:36
mechanism is well known. In00:36:38
this case, I want to recall the history of the00:36:40
so-called political00:36:42
repressions. Now, several00:36:44
very powerful studies have come out in particular the00:36:47
same Dugin Alexander Nikolaevich I00:36:49
draw the attention of the society to Neni Iri00:36:58
to the holy of holies of the FSB archi and he wrote00:37:01
several books now, the last of them is00:37:04
called Yezhov against Stalin, before00:37:06
that the book Secrets of the NKVD Archives was published00:37:10
and there he proved with facts in his hands00:37:14
that Yezhov again However, to the question of00:37:18
personality degradation, a man began to suffer from the same thing when he fell00:37:26
ill with delusions of grandeur,00:37:29
personality degradation began, which was00:37:30
accompanied, among other things, by his00:37:32
degeneration into a banal00:37:34
alcoholic, a whole plan was developed for00:37:37
the elimination of Stalin and his inner00:37:40
circle so that Yezhov and his gang would00:37:42
come to power for the successful00:37:45
implementation of this plan, it was necessary not00:37:47
only to create the00:37:49
necessary conditions at the very top; in00:37:52
particular, the Kremlin commandant’s office was keen on this plan,00:37:55
but also to create the appropriate00:37:59
situation and mood in Soviet00:38:01
society, that is, it was necessary to00:38:03
anger people. What is called that’s when00:38:06
this flywheel begins00:38:08
really unfounded00:38:09
political repressions when people were00:38:12
seized for literally everything a neighbor wrote a00:38:15
denunciation completely without evidence of00:38:17
a person they were taken into circulation they extracted00:38:20
confessions of guilt00:38:23
Yes, it’s Stalin’s fault, and then00:38:26
when finally the scale of these lawlessness00:38:30
became known to Stalin and his circle, they00:38:33
carried out a whole special operation to00:38:35
neutralize first neutralization00:38:38
Yezhova now becomes the new People's Commissar of00:38:41
Internal Affairs Where does he begin?00:39:05
and so on and so on And00:39:07
you can call the United States a sponsor of00:39:10
Yeltsin’s election campaign, vote00:39:12
or lose Yes, definitely Listen,00:39:16
where did they get the dollars? They00:39:18
transported them in these canvas bags00:39:21
all over the country. Naturally, they were00:39:25
sponsors of the first election00:39:26
Company. That is, it was already worked out00:39:29
algorithm of actions, channels for supplying real00:39:32
money, and so on and so forth, there00:39:37
can be no doubt about this at all, because with an initial rating00:39:40
of 2 to00:39:42
3%, during the election campaign, unexpectedly gain00:39:46
35% listen But this is00:39:51
fantastic, this would be absolutely obvious00:39:54
post00:39:59
in Mas Lyuda they hated00:40:03
Yelna, I then worked at school as a teacher for00:40:07
5 years, even 6 years, so I closely00:40:10
communicated with my students, their00:40:12
parents, and my peers, and with00:40:15
my teachers from the University00:40:18
Professional School, and so on. I didn’t see00:40:26
anyone who spoke positively about00:40:29
Yeltsin I don’t want to say that everyone00:40:31
spoke positively about Zyuganov,00:40:34
there were different moods, but the fact that everyone00:40:37
hated Yeltsin is 100% And what00:40:39
percentage did Gennady Andreevich have? That00:40:41
is, Boris Nikolaevich had 6% Yes, but00:40:44
Zyuganov initially had 30% It’s00:40:48
no coincidence that he was called to the dovoz for00:40:50
what reason, that is, the Western00:40:53
curators had to look at00:40:55
Zyuganov, whoops,00:40:57
that is, how00:40:59
possible is the future Leader of Russia, is it possible to00:41:02
deal with him? in00:41:13
what sense And why00:41:16
did they make the second round of elections the way00:41:19
they did it and why did Swan give00:41:22
his votes to Yeltsin initially? Lebed00:41:25
did not intend to do this, but he was00:41:28
for sale. And his death is connected with this. I don’t00:41:30
think so, no, you understand. The fact is that I00:41:34
knew all the ministers defense personally,00:41:37
starting with Yazov Igor Nikolaevich00:41:40
Radionov Evgeniy Ivanovich Shaposhnikov00:41:43
Well and so on, they were all practically00:41:47
zero in politics That is, you can wrap them00:41:50
around your finger Like two fingers00:41:54
you understand, sometimes it even00:41:58
amused me I remember how I once came to00:42:00
Shaposhnikov and he00:42:03
I think he was then the Secretary of the Security Council or00:42:06
something. Well, I don’t remember, well, in short, he was sitting in the00:42:09
Kremlin on the old square and he00:42:11
tells me Zhenya, who are you going to00:42:12
vote for? I say, Well, I’ll go00:42:15
vote, that means in the majority district00:42:18
like this, but in the general federal district That's00:42:20
what he00:42:22
tells me, I'm speaking Well, that's how it is And what is00:42:25
it, you explain it to me, I look like this, I think00:42:28
mother honor the person in the hierarchy of power00:42:31
ranks there, well, he's in the top five, relatively00:42:33
speaking, and he doesn't know that we have a mixed00:42:35
electoral system, that there are00:42:38
majoritarian constituencies and there is a general00:42:41
federal list according to which00:42:43
political parties are ranked. You understand what we are00:42:46
talking about. Let’s return to the American00:42:48
elections. Yes,00:42:50
Yeltsin’s elections cost the Americans dearly. Everything is known by00:42:53
comparison by our standards. Yes, by their00:42:56
standards, this is mere pennies. But there is some kind of00:42:58
figure. Well, there are different figures. But even00:43:00
if they draw some obviously inflated00:43:03
figures, But these are several billion00:43:05
dollars. Well, listen to the frivolous00:43:07
conversation, we are not even talking about00:43:09
tens of billions of dollars. Well, it’s00:43:11
true that Yeltsin’s election headquarters00:43:15
presented itself as just an ambush of the00:43:17
Americans, and there were many who00:43:20
actually came up with this this slogan00:43:21
vote or lose, which00:43:23
was copied from the Clinton company00:43:25
absolutely correctly Yes, they are just full of00:43:30
Shilins here, worked at their orders and according to their00:43:35
clichés I would even say that Well,00:43:37
this is just fantastic, vote or00:43:39
lose choose or Yes, it’s all a scam from00:43:43
Clinton skoy company, how did the Americans00:43:46
manage to come up with this idea of00:43:49
privatization, from which they then00:43:50
actually earned a lot and bought00:43:53
a lot, well, you know, the fact is that00:43:55
they Arova this idea of Russia and before00:43:59
that they had the countries of the Eastern Bloc, first of00:44:01
all Poland,00:44:04
remember the reforms of Balcerowicz this he00:44:07
was a Guru for our liberals. They also00:44:11
carried out shock therapy using Balcerowicz’s method. So00:44:15
this was worked out00:44:19
in Poland and Hungary. Well, they gave it according to the list00:44:23
and then they launched it here. Well, it’s clear with the00:44:26
nuances00:44:27
of national and00:44:29
historical all sorts of twists, but the very00:44:32
idea of shock therapy and instant00:44:36
privatization of check privatization just00:44:38
like check What does it mean? Well, when00:44:41
colossal objects were sold for candy wrappers of paper, they were00:44:43
n’t sold with real money.00:44:45
Well, they themselves bought00:44:47
a lot. True, of course, that’s what I’m saying00:44:50
that a00:44:51
number of Americans themselves who actively00:44:54
participated in the heritage itself00:44:58
America were recognized as criminals,00:45:01
you know, this is what the scale of00:45:04
robbery and theft was. You understand, this is what we’re00:45:06
talking about. Well, the same Kakha Bendukidze00:45:10
Yes, he became the owner of Uralmash. Well, this is a00:45:13
gigantic association, the production00:45:16
head enterprise, the number of00:45:18
employees is 55,000 people, I’m not even talking00:45:22
about the Armed Forces, the rest about everything the rest of the00:45:24
components are the Uralgon plant where00:45:27
our tanks are produced, you see, this00:45:30
ended up in the hands of one person00:45:34
just like the result of this very Chubais00:45:37
privatization of check privatization and there are00:45:40
thousands of thousands of such examples, these are the00:45:44
tidbits, first of all,00:45:46
note that they destroyed,00:45:49
destroyed, enterprises of the defense00:45:51
complex, destroyed enterprises the most00:45:55
technologically advanced industries:00:45:57
mechanical engineering, machine tool building,00:45:59
radio-electronic industry, and00:46:01
so on, you know, because in terms of volume and00:46:04
quality, for example,00:46:06
Radio electronics, we were not inferior to the00:46:08
Americans and Japanese in the Soviet Union,00:46:11
and were superior to00:46:12
97% of all refrigerators and00:46:15
freezers made by military-industrial complex enterprises, well,00:46:19
compare modern00:46:21
imported ITS refrigerators refrigerators that Nokht00:46:24
at the dachas,00:46:28
light bulbs are still working, the00:46:30
light bulbs have been burning for 50 to 60 years. Still defying00:46:34
the word about Chubais, this is Absolute00:46:36
KBA, this is understandable. Well, about the World Cup, you are talking about this,00:46:39
it is also an absolute fact that in his circle00:46:41
then there were career00:46:43
employees of the00:46:45
US CIA and everyone turned a blind eye to this, at least yes, that is,00:46:48
it was a fact that then there00:46:51
was no need to prove anything to anyone,00:46:53
he didn’t really hide this00:46:55
hundred00:46:57
enemy, so he even wore a hero’s star.00:47:00
This is the title I’m a generally recognized00:47:04
enemy. I don’t care about you, it was00:47:06
some form of bravado You see, you00:47:10
can spit at me as much as you like, spit slop at me,00:47:13
but I’m still cooler than00:47:16
you, taller than you, richer than you, etc., etc., so I00:47:19
want you to00:47:20
comment on one phrase, this is the phrase of00:47:22
Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin We invite00:47:25
American00:47:27
private capital to the Russian market and00:47:30
we say don’t be late, how do00:47:33
these words sound to you today, well, like an00:47:35
admission of committing a state00:47:37
crime. Betrayal, don’t be00:47:39
late, I have a question right away:00:47:42
Who did you make such invitations to before,00:47:45
please read out the whole list? And why did00:47:48
you make such offers to a00:47:51
foreign private captain so that he would be handed over? Let00:47:58
's go and live our lives for a minute, dear to00:48:03
our00:48:04
people this bloody00:48:06
massacre Why did the autocratic regime collapse?00:48:10
It collapsed in the conditions of an unpopular war, an00:48:14
extremely unpopular war, but because00:48:17
we paid for this very00:48:19
foreign capital that poured00:48:22
here Just at the00:48:23
turn of the century, all the most technologically advanced00:48:27
by the hand of the industry of the so-called00:48:28
Russian industry, they00:48:30
were controlled by foreign capital,00:48:32
the oil industry was00:48:34
100% gigantic, the Empire of the Nobels further on00:48:38
Donbass. All of which we are now00:48:40
fighting for and which we are returning, there were00:48:43
the largest steel foundries, iron00:48:45
foundries, coal mines, ore mines, and so00:48:48
on for 60-80 about everything. belonged to00:48:51
foreigners from the largest banks,00:48:54
only one single Volga Kama00:48:57
bank was controlled by Russian capital, all the00:49:00
rest were controlled by foreigners,00:49:02
and therefore Stalin, in a short course on the history of the All-Russian Communist Party of00:49:05
Belarus, directly wrote that October of the00:49:08
seventeenth year saved Russia from00:49:11
becoming a semi-colonial raw materials00:49:13
appendage of the industrialized countries of the world,00:49:16
we In the ninety-first year, having despised00:49:19
our entire history, they took themselves by the scruff of the neck They were00:49:23
like kittens They were lousy and abandoned for 100 years00:49:27
So they were also happy that we entered the00:49:28
system into the family of civilized peoples00:49:32
fifth tenth now let's00:49:34
get more saliva characteristics of00:49:57
Chubais and others, so to speak, connected, they00:50:01
reported moreover Chubais, I think,00:50:04
played a key role Why exactly00:50:07
Yeltsin’s team chose Putin They00:50:09
considered different candidates Which00:50:12
Well, the same00:50:13
Stepashin, yes, it’s all known, there00:50:17
were no special secrets here. I00:50:19
think that by the way, not the least role in00:50:22
what it means is that they relied on00:50:25
Putin I played exactly that case with the00:50:27
juice that we talked about at the beginning of00:50:30
our meeting, this was an important marker.00:50:33
This is a good quality. By the way, no matter how I00:50:36
feel about Sobchak, relatively speaking, and00:50:38
so on, that’s when you don’t betray00:50:40
your patron or your friend comrade.00:50:44
Betrayal is generally such a00:50:47
vile thing without political overtones.00:50:50
You see, they were considering completely00:50:53
different candidates00:50:57
from the Americans. I have no doubts,00:51:00
not then Vladimi Vladimirovich played by the00:51:02
rules, the rules that were00:51:04
established. And somewhere by the way, I think that00:51:07
he00:51:08
played being convinced that he’s on the00:51:11
right side of00:51:12
history, that’s when he was00:51:16
sincerely convinced that he’s on the00:51:19
right side of history because he’s00:51:22
really joining the pan-European00:51:27
global system of division of labor, that00:51:29
Russia will become the largest energy00:51:32
hub of at least all of Europe, or rather00:51:35
all of Eurasia, and so on and so forth00:51:38
That is, the Americans, as a result,00:51:40
miscalculated Yes, and then the scale of the00:51:43
historical developments of changes And by the way, the00:51:46
obstinacy, the impudence of the Americans, in00:51:49
the end you know it with them. I always00:51:53
say especially now you00:51:56
need a sense of proportion; in everything, the Americans have a good00:51:59
sense of00:52:00
proportion. This sense of proportion00:52:04
has disappeared and they are in one fine moment00:52:07
they stepped over these ideas and therefore00:52:11
thought that now they can do anything and everything,00:52:14
but Clinton and his brother have not yet00:52:17
crossed certain red lines.00:52:20
Although the bombing of Belgrade has already become such a00:52:23
marker that they are about to cross. And00:52:26
already00:52:27
Bush Jr. and especially Obama, they are all these00:52:30
lines blew their minds But today, what do00:52:32
you think, what do they see in their eyes? They00:52:35
understand that no matter how they can cope No,00:52:38
no, narcissistic Turkeys, and then you00:52:42
understand, by and large, for the00:52:44
Americans, losing in Ukraine00:52:47
is not a mortal threat, so for us00:52:50
this is a mortal threat. In the literal sense of00:52:52
the word, for Ukraine there is a mortal00:52:55
threat, even a00:52:57
blizzard, for Poland and Germany.00:53:00
Why Because the Armed Forces will not rock the boat now00:53:03
if we dominate in00:53:04
Ukraine and accept our terms of the game, so00:53:09
now I’ll see how Germany and Poland00:53:11
will be with us talk This is the position in which00:53:14
they will stand so that we give them00:53:17
our00:53:18
energy resources because they are in00:53:26
trouble. In general, there is a raid there. They00:53:30
will either crawl on their hands and knees and00:53:33
beg us to give them00:53:36
gas there, or they will00:53:38
come to us Siberia to chop wood for00:53:41
a lot of big00:53:45
money I can’t help but talk to you at00:53:48
our second meeting about your00:53:50
nationality00:53:52
koshe nation00:53:57
me Noble family Serve people in00:53:59
the fatherland as boyar children used to say then,00:54:01
not in the sense that they were00:54:03
born in a boyar family, but in the sense that they were00:54:07
servicemen people according to their fatherland in the sources of00:54:09
that time were called boyar children, that00:54:12
is, they stood in rank as if on the00:54:14
next step compared to00:54:16
representatives of the aristocracy. Well,00:54:19
boyar children and service people, because they00:54:22
formed the00:54:23
backbone of the local Horse of the00:54:25
Russian army of the 15th and even00:54:29
partly of the 16th centuries until Peter I haven’t00:54:32
completely moved on to the Rekk Rud set,00:54:36
that’s all Moscow was, I00:54:38
don’t have any relatives anywhere except Moscow, and never00:54:40
have, that’s amazing. It’s just that you’re a00:54:42
classic example of a Moskvich, in general, and00:54:44
I have a bad one. In which knee does it turn out?00:54:46
Oh, I don’t know, in short on his father’s side, his00:54:49
ancestors live in Moscow in the 15th century. Well, it’s00:54:53
clear later that he’s become emaciated. The noble family has00:54:55
already come to00:54:57
me, here are the blue-fronted people, he sometimes goes to the00:55:00
rga and constantly sends me some00:55:03
extracts there that they bought some kind of00:55:05
village there or sold the fifth tenth Well00:55:08
there the number of these00:55:11
souls means that both sexes are estimated at, well,00:55:14
several dozen people. So, do00:55:18
you feel this, how to say00:55:19
this by blood, by nationality,00:55:21
it means like a connection with your00:55:24
ancestors00:55:26
no no, in our family this has never00:55:29
[music]00:55:31
been cultivated since with us this is00:55:33
not a topic to be emphasized at all, I knew00:55:36
that I was born Russian. I don’t00:55:38
have any other primosis, so I’m00:55:43
not even my brother, not my sister, and so on,00:55:46
but from my mother. I don’t know about my grandmother. By00:55:50
the way, you gave me a direct homework,00:55:53
you still need to00:55:54
dig in,00:55:59
your maiden name was Anna Gavrilovna00:56:01
Zabelina, your elder sister,00:56:04
that means Shura, Baba, Shura Alexandra00:56:08
Gavrilovna, she00:56:10
lived as long as 1899, by the way, she died00:56:14
in the year E, she was 95 years old. What does00:56:16
being Russian mean to you today? Well, being a citizen00:56:26
why I love my homeland, small and00:56:28
large Why I love Moscow very much00:56:31
Why I worry00:56:34
about the troubles of my country Why I00:56:37
take the flood in Orsk to heart right now00:56:39
I’m not even talking about what00:56:42
happened in Crocus Why I hate00:56:45
when why Well because I00:56:48
was raised that way I I I can’t00:56:50
explain in words it sits inside me00:56:54
I hate it when people00:56:56
lie trivialize our00:56:59
history they know that they are lying I understand when00:57:02
out of ignorance And when people know that they are00:57:04
lying when they invent and reconcile and so00:57:08
on and so on, this feeling evokes me00:57:10
again, I remember these00:57:13
famous Pushkin lines, that’s00:57:15
what Russians are, I always remember them, two00:57:18
feelings are wonderfully close to us in them, the heart00:57:21
finds food, love for the native ashes, love00:57:24
for the tombs of our fathers, without them the soul00:57:27
was empty like an Arabian deserts like an00:57:29
altar without a deity on the SM stood century after00:57:32
century, by the will of God, man’s very self-awareness, his00:57:36
self-awareness, his self-awareness That’s why,00:57:39
by the way,00:57:42
I probably became a historian, I already wanted to become a historian at the age of 10.00:57:46
So for almost half a century I have been faithful to00:57:49
this historical choice of mine.00:57:51
Why am I to them My father became a simple00:57:55
working engineer, my mother was a weaver, and so on00:57:59
and so forth. I didn’t have00:58:00
any scientists, much less historians.00:58:03
What do you think, today we often00:58:05
hear words about our strength in00:58:08
multinationality? Do you think this is00:58:10
really ours? great power And how is00:58:13
it expressed? Well, listen, first of all, let’s start00:58:16
with the fact that Russia initially arose00:58:19
as00:58:26
three large ethnic groups,00:58:29
it’s clear that the Eastern Slavs are the Balts00:58:32
and that’s the Finnish00:58:34
Ugrians, because that’s where we are now, the00:58:37
Finns lived much earlier than the00:58:40
Slavs The Ugrians and many names testify to this,00:58:44
and then a00:58:47
significant Turkic element was added to this,00:58:49
you understand from00:58:56
these00:58:57
large00:59:01
ethnic groups what does it mean to build Russia under the slogan of00:59:05
Russia for the Russians in advance or00:59:07
doom00:59:09
Russia This means the fragmentation of these00:59:12
specific principalities that will00:59:14
always be00:59:15
dependent and so on further and so on from00:59:17
anyone stronger or deliberately00:59:20
doom the country to permanent00:59:22
civil wars according to religious00:59:24
national social Whoever wants00:59:27
therefore for Russia enmity is a00:59:29
deadly dangerous thing between peoples and00:59:32
who, by the way, incites this enmity between peoples00:59:35
I think they should be00:59:37
punished very severely article of the law,00:59:40
that is, our strength is precisely that we are all00:59:42
different together with unity and then00:59:44
look at the enrichment of cultures00:59:46
even of the language, but we have00:59:49
quite a lot of nimble words in the Russian language,00:59:52
you understand where the richness of our00:59:55
language comes from, including we can have the same phenomenon00:59:58
express in different terms01:00:01
you understand call a dog either a dog01:00:04
or a dog We have a tradition at the end01:00:06
Our guests read poetry even though you have already gone through01:00:09
this story once and now01:00:11
quoted Pushkin I ask you once again01:00:14
to give our viewers some poetry,01:00:16
listen Well, in general, I love Yesenin A01:00:18
that Yesenin was dissuaded by the golden grove of01:00:24
silver without01:00:26
And the sadly flying cranes no longer regret the World Cup about01:00:31
the World Cup to regret because everyone in01:00:35
the world is a01:00:36
wanderer. It seems to me that this young01:00:39
man is a very young man, he so01:00:42
deeply understood the meaning of life and the meaning01:00:45
of being, therefore his poetry touches anyone01:00:49
truly Russian people in the broad01:00:52
sense, not by blood, but by their01:00:56
worldview,01:00:57
that such poets really become a01:01:01
national treasure not only of the01:01:03
Russian people, but also of all the peoples of our01:01:07
country Evgeniy Spitsin empathy manuchi01:01:11
Here and01:01:14
now, well, I came to01:01:17
Vyacheslav Manucharov for the second time for this meeting,01:01:21
after all, that I was VNO when I01:01:26
came to the first meeting and with even01:01:28
greater interest adj now Well, what I01:01:31
want to say is that an intelligent, competent, charming,01:01:34
leading, talented actor is talking01:01:37
to such a person, it’s a pleasure, he01:01:39
asks sharp and, I must say, very01:01:42
difficult questions from here. I think our01:01:45
conversation, our conversation will be much more01:01:47
meaningful than traditional interview01:01:49
to chat about nothing and everything I want to01:01:52
wish Vyacheslav himself and his01:01:55
fellow01:01:56
colleagues and the development channel to invite01:01:59
more interesting, different and wonderful01:02:03
people Thank you01:02:04
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Историк Евгений Спицын откровенно про 30-летие добровольного вывода советских войск из Германии, подписание Беловежских соглашений Борисом Ельциным, 35 лет с первой поездки Бориса Ельцина в США, оплаченную американцами кампанию «Голосуй или проиграешь», подкуп дивизий для путча, Вашингтонский обком в Москве, пустые прилавки магазинов, приватизацию и приход к власти Владимира Путина. ❗️Помните, что каждый ваш лайк и комментарий продвигает это видео. Поэтому ставьте лайки и оставляйте комментарии. И, конечно, подписывайтесь, если смотрите интервью без подписки. Делитесь этим интервью с родными и друзьями. ▶️ТАЙМ-КОДЫ: 00:00 Анонс 01:35 Про орден Александра Невского 01:55 Про подписание Беловежских соглашений Борисом Ельциным 05:00 Про звонок Бориса Ельцина в США через 5 минут после распада СССР 06:10 Про тщеславие Михаила Горбачева 08:18 Про 35 лет с первой поездки Бориса Ельцина в США 11:17 Про присягу Бориса Ельцина либералам 12:25 Про Анатолия Собчака как конкурента Бориса Ельцина 15:37 Про выход Бориса Ельцина из партии и «Боже, Благослови Америку» 18:19 Про Иосифа Сталина и репрессии 21:05 Про перерождение Бориса Ельцина и предателей 23:27 Про 30-летие добровольного вывода советских войск из Германии в 1994 году 27:35 Про Роналда Рейгана и план по крушению «Империи зла» 32:18 Про подкуп дивизий для путча 34:23 Про урановую сделку с США 34:40 Про Вашингтонский обком в Москве 36:08 Про пустые прилавки магазинов 39:07 Про США как спонсоров избирательной кампании Бориса Ельцина 43:11 Про оплаченную США кампанию «Голосуй или проиграешь» 43:45 Про приватизацию 46:34 Про Анатолия Чубайса и ЦРУ 47:19 Про приглашение Борисом Ельциным американцев в Россию 49:42 Про приход к власти Владимира Путина 52:32 Про Украину 53:45 Про национальность 58:03 Про многонациональность России 01:00:03 Стих 01:01:12 P.S. Подписывайтесь на канал "ЭМПАТИЯ МАНУЧИ" и тут: ✔️VK https://vk.com/club212274703 ✔️RUTUBE https://rutube.ru/u/empatiamanuchi/ ✔️TELEGRAM https://t.me/empatia_manuchi ✔️ ЯНДЕКС.Музыка https://music.yandex.ru/album/25263213 ✔️ Дзен https://dzen.ru/empatia_manuchi ✔️ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@empatia_manuchi Евгений Спицын: Вашингтонский обком, доллары Ельцина и крах СССР /// ЭМПАТИЯ МАНУЧИ
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