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age and occupation go ahead my name is00:04:22
Kiko I'm 23. I'm a bartender and I go to00:04:26
UCSB studying sociology and education00:04:30
I'm Fiona I'm 22. I'm unemployed00:04:34
and I'm a writer yeah but I don't have a00:04:36
real job yeah you're in Hollywood right00:04:38
trying to be a writer okay00:04:40
um I'm Sam I'm 19 and I'm a student at00:04:43
UC or sbcc would you study film film00:04:47
okay I'm Tatum I'm 18. I go to CC and00:04:52
I'm doing General Ed00:04:54
I'm Margarita and I have a rock band and00:04:57
I'm 33. what's the name of your brand00:04:59
it's called edge of paradise okay very00:05:02
cool thank you I'm Victoria I'm 20. I00:05:06
study in Minerva University in San00:05:08
Francisco I study business finance00:05:12
I'm Michael I'm 32 I'm a genocidal00:05:16
Maniac according to the newspapers but00:05:18
yeah I in my real life I host a podcast00:05:20
and write books00:05:23
you bring the books by the way oh by00:05:25
chance00:05:26
um do you think the chocolate by the way00:05:28
is there the chart we sold something00:05:31
like 20 tons of chocolate wow I don't00:05:33
know that we have a single00:05:37
yeah I want one I Mr Davies can you go00:05:40
to Barnes Noble or something and get us00:05:42
wait right now right now00:05:45
we came here totally empty-handed and00:05:47
that's so long it's all good00:05:50
um what Michael you kind of undersell00:05:52
yourself a little bit because you're00:05:53
also an actor well yeah I think you00:05:55
mentioned author but you're also a rap00:05:57
critic and a music critic so that's true00:06:00
I'm known for my spicy hip-hop take so00:06:03
if you guys have any questions about00:06:04
popular music or like Zoomer culture or00:06:07
anything I'm I'm pretty much he's an00:06:09
expert yeah yeah00:06:10
um and are you able to disclose your00:06:12
alma mater Alma well I I guess I could I00:06:16
I graduated from Yale but I think now00:06:19
Yale is going to sue me if I claim that00:06:22
I think they're going to basically uh00:06:24
you know deprive me of my diploma00:06:26
certainly by the end of this podcast00:06:27
okay all right so we'll see we'll see00:06:30
how spicy you went to Yale but you00:06:31
didn't go to Yale yeah okay yes I I say00:06:34
I went to I think they would deny that00:06:36
entirely got it got it okay so we're00:06:39
gonna go around the table once more00:06:40
current relationship status so single00:06:43
situationship relationship and longest00:06:46
relationship go ahead00:06:49
um yeah I have a boyfriend and my00:06:50
longest relationship was like two and a00:06:52
half years00:06:54
I'm single my longest relationship was00:06:57
like a year and a half in college okay00:06:59
um I'm single and my longest00:07:01
relationship was about two years00:07:03
I'm single and I'm still single00:07:07
I'm engaged and my longest been about 1000:07:11
years Victoria before you go can I have00:07:13
you scoot the microphone that way you00:07:17
can have you scoot the microphone that00:07:18
way00:07:27
can you pull your microphone a little00:07:30
bit closer to you also I'm just we00:07:32
should have done this before the show um00:07:34
Eric can you grab a seat booster for Sam00:07:37
here00:07:39
Sam is what you're five four yeah I'm00:07:42
average height the microphone's kind of00:07:43
blocking you a little bit so okay uh00:07:45
Victoria I'm single and I've never been00:07:48
in a professional relationship so you00:07:51
said your longest relationship was how00:07:52
long it was like I was seeing the guy00:07:54
for three months but it was not like a00:07:55
social relationship00:07:58
okay and Michael I'm married and I met00:08:02
my wife when we were 10 years old00:08:05
and but it's a complicated history00:08:07
because we she had a crush on me in the00:08:10
eighth grade but I was dating the lead00:08:11
of the Middle School play and then I had00:08:13
a crush on her in ninth grade but she00:08:15
was dating an upperclassman which was00:08:17
very scandalous I thought and then we00:08:19
dated in high school split for college00:08:20
got together at the end of college now00:08:22
we're married and have two children00:08:26
that was an enthusiastic00:08:28
been out there yeah this doesn't seem00:08:30
like a really pro-marriage crowd item00:08:32
from that reaction wait is that like 10000:08:34
True like yeah like yeah I wouldn't lie00:08:37
oh it I00:08:38
I thought you were being sarcastic00:08:46
romantic sorry I thought you were being00:08:48
like a joke00:08:51
that can happen that's okay00:08:54
I love again00:08:56
you're used to being lied to can you go00:08:59
into that a little bit Oh no just a lot00:09:01
of people like to lie so I don't know00:09:02
like what to trust and like that's true00:09:04
but are you talking in like in a00:09:06
romantic context a lot of people lie to00:09:08
you no just like in every sense I feel00:09:10
like people lie a lot so it's hard like00:09:11
you go to the grocery store everybody is00:09:13
lying to you majority yeah it's like00:09:16
there's no eggs in and then like there's00:09:19
air in the back I know they're there so00:09:21
they're lying that happens to me at00:09:22
Trader Joe's I asked for the Persian00:09:24
cucumbers and00:09:26
they don't check yeah avocados they say00:09:29
they do but they don't they never never00:09:31
do okay00:09:33
um great so we got everyone's00:09:34
relationship status so almost everyone00:09:36
here with the exception of you and00:09:38
Michael uh you guys are all returning00:09:40
Kiko this is your I think fifth or sixth00:09:42
appearance you guys this is your second00:09:44
Victoria your third00:09:46
um so just for you guys coming back now00:09:48
uh00:09:50
has anything changed since your last00:09:53
appearance I believe that was about00:09:54
three weeks ago you guys were last on00:09:56
any new love interests or I mean there's00:09:59
always new love interests00:10:01
no there I haven't like I mean there's00:10:04
some guys but no nothing new some guys00:10:06
what do you mean like obviously there's00:10:08
people I see and I'm like oh wow maybe00:10:10
there's a potential but now there's00:10:11
nothing00:10:13
okay because last time you were on you00:10:16
mentioned that there was one guy that00:10:18
I'm talking to is that dunzo or no we're00:10:21
still talking00:10:22
still oh go ahead Michael when you say00:10:26
you're talking00:10:27
um00:10:28
you know I'm a very old man yeah I'm a00:10:30
millennial so I don't really I'm not00:10:32
sure00:10:34
I'm like the Boomer of consumers talking00:10:38
means more than talking00:10:41
um like in what sense more than speaking00:10:43
to one another across a table as we are00:10:45
now00:10:46
more than literally talking yeah I mean00:10:49
that's basically what we do is just talk00:10:51
and hang out00:10:52
okay so it's literally you're just but00:10:54
you're in a way where you have affection00:10:56
for one yeah okay00:10:58
but you're not dating no but you might00:11:01
date00:11:02
sure yeah okay are you guys hooking up00:11:05
no00:11:06
well that's good that's very virtual00:11:08
about the cow I don't know right that's00:11:10
good I'm not lying we're not hurting up00:11:12
I think he's scared of you probably do00:11:15
you think yeah I agree with that and I00:11:17
think you think I'm lying but I'm not I00:11:18
think these days though because how old00:11:20
are you sorry I'm 19. and he's your age00:11:24
um yeah he is my age I feel like these00:11:26
days like younger guys they're afraid to00:11:28
make the first move00:11:30
um yeah that's true I can see that but I00:11:33
mean if I wanted to make a move I would00:11:34
make a move I don't so does he want to00:11:37
do more00:11:38
and you've said no you've punted the00:11:40
brakes or00:11:41
I mean we've talked about it but like00:11:44
it's not like we've we're both00:11:46
enthusiastic for I mean I don't really00:11:47
care for that right now I just it's not00:11:49
like to hook up yeah to hook up all00:11:51
right that's good that's good man that's00:11:54
awesome I I was under the impression00:11:56
that now because of like all of talking00:11:58
culture that everyone just hooks up and00:12:01
it's all ambiguous and no one's ever00:12:02
officially dating and it's all there's a00:12:04
lot of that there's a lot there is00:12:06
you're just not doing it I just hate it00:12:07
oh yeah that's great I think it's stupid00:12:09
allegedly stupid I'm a hopeless romantic00:12:11
get it through your brain I want romance00:12:14
but I just I'm busy with school and00:12:16
getting my stuff straight first00:12:19
Okay so00:12:22
everyone else said they were single00:12:24
pretty we'll accept you00:12:27
um so kind of in line with Michael's00:12:28
question what is talking or being single00:12:30
actually means so you said you're single00:12:33
so there's no guy in the picture I'm00:12:35
single I just mean I'm not like00:12:36
officially dating officially okay so but00:12:39
you are seeing somebody like dating00:12:41
around yeah whether can you kind of okay00:12:44
so since I've been on the podcast I've00:12:46
gone on a couple dates00:12:48
and then I have also been00:12:55
seeing some other people can you uh be a00:12:59
bit more specific00:13:01
uh they're like there is00:13:04
um I am hooking up with a guy at the00:13:06
moment but then I'm also have been going00:13:08
on other dates for people that might be00:13:11
a more00:13:12
better match long term so you're you're00:13:16
hooking up with just one guy so not00:13:19
multiple guys but he's like the backup00:13:21
because you're more interested in these00:13:23
other guys that you're going on it's not00:13:25
that I'm more interested it's just that00:13:26
I feel like there's more of a00:13:29
relationship connection that could be00:13:31
there on the like dates that I'm going00:13:33
on you know it's more of like dinner00:13:34
dates that I could see like we have more00:13:37
in common in career and stuff like that00:13:39
whereas this other guy I'm just he's not00:13:42
a booty call I'm just very attracted to00:13:44
him00:13:46
he'll listen00:13:54
this way then he'll definitely know00:13:55
you're talking about him but so then why00:13:57
why is he not long-term relationship00:13:59
potential00:14:01
um because I don't think he's ready for00:14:03
that he doesn't want it I don't think so00:14:05
okay and I don't know not with him you00:14:07
don't want it I mean I do I would like a00:14:09
relationship at some point but I know in00:14:11
my like I wouldn't want it with him even00:14:13
though you're very attracted to him yeah00:14:14
but I just know he's at a point in his00:14:16
life where he's not ready for a00:14:18
relationship like he should be alone he00:14:20
has like inner work to do I probably00:14:21
have inner work to do too00:14:23
yeah can't you do that work though00:14:26
together well he did also get out of a00:14:28
relationship oh really um00:14:32
wow thank you was in my comment last how00:14:35
you were on about the tongue acrobatics00:14:37
that destroyed in your situationship I'm00:14:40
not sorry for ruining you forever okay00:14:43
hey Martin00:14:44
um that by the way that is uh Marquis00:14:47
Martin a uh Mensa member we call him00:14:51
Mensa Martin and he uh he also he owns00:14:55
about a dozen Quiznos Sam on the East00:14:58
Coast did you say I own something else I00:15:00
that I I think that was a different00:15:02
donator Mike Davis owns the Burger Kings00:15:05
I forgot I think uh cheeks owns the00:15:09
Orbeez and Martin owns the quizzes00:15:14
Martin is the Quiznos guy who's okay00:15:18
he's gonna single-handedly00:15:20
um re-spark that franchise I didn't know00:15:23
it still existed00:15:25
oh maybe he's the holdout again00:15:31
they have him a lot I believe so00:15:35
um Martin by the way thank you so much00:15:36
for that uh big 200 uh dollar TTS thank00:15:39
you man uh Tatum while your sister here00:15:42
was telling us the story you were kind00:15:45
of00:15:46
smiling or making a face so um do you00:15:50
have do you have some secrets you want00:15:52
to reveal or no secrets I don't share my00:15:55
sister's secrets so there you are00:15:57
confirming though that Secrets exist in00:16:00
general in general yeah00:16:04
you don't know everything about us Brian00:16:06
badly unfortunately I'm hoping to expand00:16:08
my understanding but so00:16:11
can you just spill The Spill the Beans00:16:13
what were you smiling about no it's just00:16:15
funny00:16:17
okay because like you guys don't know00:16:19
him and I know him so what do you think00:16:21
about him00:16:22
she's right he's not boy yeah because00:16:25
he's just a he's just a disaster he's00:16:27
like a mess no he's nice is he hot in my00:16:31
opinion no00:16:34
then what makes you not a boy he's00:16:36
attractive I can see why she thinks he's00:16:37
attractive she just has high standards00:16:40
she's a different type we've already00:16:41
been through that you said this high00:16:43
standards we need to talk about the high00:16:44
standards again he's attractive just not00:16:46
if you have high standards is that that00:16:48
seems so mean to me00:16:50
yeah what is a high standard here like00:16:53
what is the definition of high standards00:16:55
for me just generally yeah like looks00:16:59
oh so he's not attractive and now but00:17:01
attractive enough to sleep with00:17:04
um I mean I think for her we just have00:17:07
different types we have all the00:17:08
different types all of us have different00:17:10
types I mean I'm more General00:17:12
yeah in general yeah like either way I00:17:15
feel like I could like people from00:17:18
different areas so one person from Idaho00:17:22
San Diego yeah00:17:25
um so then for YouTube what you guys00:17:28
have very specific types00:17:31
what are the specific types that you00:17:34
guys have00:17:36
Tim do you want to say it I feel like00:17:37
hers would be more not like skater boys00:17:40
but like probably someone who's very00:17:42
tall skater oh someone is very tall can00:17:46
dress well00:17:48
um skater boys like dark darker hair00:17:49
well within okay darker hair no00:17:52
definitely not blondes00:17:54
um00:17:56
what's wrong with blondes I don't know00:17:57
she just doesn't there's nothing wrong00:17:59
with them I just like have never really00:18:01
found myself attracted to a blonde and00:18:03
for her she's probably sorry Ben wait00:18:05
are you blonde00:18:11
um so Skater Boy kind of not like a00:18:14
skater boy it doesn't have to be but00:18:16
like that kind of like look I feel like00:18:18
okay bad boy type of look yeah but not00:18:21
like the conventional like bad boy00:18:33
is very like00:18:35
certain people I don't know yeah he's00:18:37
got to be really well dressed but also a00:18:38
bad boy but not like a bad boy bad boy00:18:40
yeah he's got to be tall exactly but not00:18:43
be a skater okay I got it he doesn't00:18:46
have to skate yeah does anyone that00:18:48
daily wire like one of the hosts do any00:18:50
of them have blonde hair00:18:57
no Candace's husband is very blonde he's00:19:00
taken he's married yeah unfortunately00:19:02
you guys yeah she likes taking men00:19:09
she likes taking women with single men00:19:12
yes okay is there is there a term for00:19:15
that is that like one of the new00:19:17
homewrecker maybe00:19:21
a relationship in high school oh good00:19:24
times she didn't mean to intentional no00:19:26
okay no it was an accident and it was a00:19:30
girl so that's why I said she likes00:19:32
taking women she made out with a girl00:19:33
and the boyfriend broke up with the girl00:19:35
in high school yeah00:19:38
it was crazy it goes down in high school00:19:40
I feel in high school that's not a big00:19:42
deal no my best friend00:19:44
he he was not happy with it at all00:19:48
so what about your specific type Surfers00:19:51
for the most part she probably would00:19:54
take blondes I will take blondes oh hair00:19:58
color does not matter to me so you oh00:19:59
you don't like blondes I got it mixed up00:20:01
no she doesn't like bronze oh so dark00:20:04
hair yeah kind of edgy yeah I just00:20:07
usually like skater boys find Eric can00:20:10
you pull up a photo of Ben Shapiro oh00:20:13
sure don't you know he's a surfer yeah00:20:16
yeah well known yeah he's from L.A he's00:20:18
a stoner right um00:20:22
hold on okay well he's he's taken but00:20:49
showing up to the podcast goodness00:20:51
gracious okay00:20:54
um so your type of surfer boy for the00:20:56
most part generally00:20:57
generally surfable okay is what I tend00:21:00
to go for so she has high standards you00:21:02
have normal standards00:21:05
I think we need to see00:21:09
the seats00:21:11
posture checks I don't think she has00:21:14
high standards I think okay just Tatum00:21:16
no you do have high standards sorry00:21:17
that's what I meant to say but it's just00:21:20
not as high as Tatum I feel like Tatum's00:21:21
even more picky I see there okay so you00:21:25
said that you're there's a guy you're00:21:27
hooking up with but while you're doing00:21:29
that you are kind of exploring other00:21:30
options you're going on dates with other00:21:32
guys00:21:33
um so how long have you been seeing this00:21:35
one guy that you're just hooking up with00:21:38
um well I've known him for like a couple00:21:40
years but we started talking again or we00:21:44
saw each other again New Year's of this00:21:47
new year so you reconnected yes yes but00:21:49
so if you don't want to date him long00:21:51
term you don't think he's the right00:21:52
boyfriend material and you want to see00:21:54
these other guys why would you waste00:21:56
your time seeing him I don't think it's00:21:59
wasting my time because it's like okay00:22:01
so he lives in Santa Barbara I live in00:22:03
LA when I come00:22:05
down up to see my family I see him00:22:08
at points but if it's not going to go00:22:10
anywhere because why wouldn't you spend00:22:12
the time you go on another dinner date00:22:15
or something I feel like I don't need a00:22:17
boyfriend in Santa Barbara I probably00:22:18
should date someone in LA but it's F I'm00:22:21
sorry it's I kind of see him for the sex00:22:24
okay00:22:27
do women really do that I understand why00:22:29
men do that because men are just00:22:32
constantly thinking about sex especially00:22:34
when they're very young but like00:22:36
do women really think that way I know I00:22:38
know feminism pretends that women think00:22:40
about sex the same way that men do but00:22:42
um that's not real right I feel like we00:22:44
they do I think they do I don't think00:22:46
they get the same00:22:48
um00:22:49
like great orgasm that these guys are00:22:52
getting from casual sex that's for sure00:22:54
but I do think women think about sex00:22:57
yeah I definitely feel like women think00:22:59
about it at least we do I know but00:23:02
you're you're admitting that the00:23:03
experience of it is totally different00:23:05
for men and women yeah yeah but you're00:23:07
saying that the Drive I mean no actually00:23:09
once you get comfortable with someone00:23:11
like once you're sleeping with them00:23:12
enough I think the sex gets a lot better00:23:13
A lot which is why I'm seeing this guy00:23:16
where the sex is good because we've been00:23:18
seeing each other but I you know I'm00:23:20
like dating on other people or like but00:23:23
don't you think the other guys that00:23:24
you're dating might00:23:26
frown upon it if you're sleeping with a00:23:29
different guy no because they're00:23:30
sleeping with other people too probably00:23:32
do you like it that they're sleeping00:23:34
with other people too I mean I feel like00:23:37
don't you want your needs met00:23:41
you stumped me don't you don't you want00:23:44
to fulfill your needs with one person to00:23:46
whom you're attracted00:23:48
attracted enough to any of the dates00:23:50
I've been on yeah but like do you think00:23:52
the fact that you're sleeping with this00:23:54
guy consistently might have something to00:23:56
do with that no no no it's a lie00:24:00
I tend to agree with you yeah I think00:24:03
that's why I think because I'm thinking00:24:05
about him while I'm with them because00:24:07
your behavior is always going to color00:24:09
any behavior that you're habitually00:24:10
engaging is always going to color the00:24:12
way that you view the world and so if00:24:13
you're occupying your mind space and00:24:15
your body and all these as you're saying00:24:17
really powerful sensual emotions with00:24:19
some dude that's obviously going to00:24:21
color the way you think about romance00:24:22
and love with any other guy you're going00:24:24
on a date on it maybe that's why you're00:24:25
not so interested in the other guys how00:24:26
come guys can do that so easily though00:24:28
like I feel like I know guys can go and00:24:30
[ __ ] women and find this like amazing00:24:32
intimate experience but then they can00:24:33
actually find a girl who they respect00:24:34
and like and then date them so how come00:24:36
it's different for men and women men00:24:38
doesn't compartmentalize bet a little00:24:40
bit better that way and men can treat00:24:41
sex as purely physical a little bit00:24:43
better but even for men if if even for00:24:46
men it's somewhat difficult you can't00:24:47
actually separate yeah see I feel like00:24:48
it would be like I don't know have you00:24:50
met my dad oh yeah true yeah really yeah00:24:52
yeah he can yeah you really can that's00:24:54
unfortunate to hear should should he00:24:56
come on the podcast yeah probably he00:24:59
wanted to come on tonight oh no okay oh00:25:01
that was that why you guys were asking00:25:03
if a guy could you know we had someone00:25:05
else that was a different guy friend00:25:06
okay00:25:09
no but her dad would be fun to be on the00:25:13
podcast doesn't he like go the00:25:14
Philippine what was the story oh00:25:16
Thailand he's a passport bro he's a00:25:18
passport bro yeah except he's just going00:25:21
there to [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah he's not00:25:22
going to marry them he's just going to00:25:24
[ __ ] okay is he is he involved with like00:25:26
MMA or something or you00:25:28
oh00:25:31
he used to be a boxer okay I see yeah00:25:33
okay but that's why he would go to00:25:35
Thailand just to train or whatever no00:25:37
just to purely00:25:40
sites00:25:42
aka the women yeah the beaches and the00:25:45
beaches okay wait so uh really quick00:25:48
just on this thing so00:25:50
um00:25:51
do the guys that you're going on dates00:25:53
with do they know that you're hooking up00:25:56
with someone else or do you just kind of00:25:57
it's not something you I mean we don't00:25:59
really talk about that I feel like we00:26:00
get to know each other00:26:02
in other ways and you've said you've00:26:04
been on a few dates how many dates have00:26:06
you in the past month or something since00:26:09
last podcast just two oh just two okay00:26:12
one well hasn't it only been two weeks00:26:15
it was Valentine's Day I think so it's00:26:17
been three weeks so two only two I think00:26:20
three four00:26:22
I think only two okay and then Sam um so00:26:25
you're seeing one guy right now it's it00:26:27
sounds a bit more serious but you00:26:29
haven't00:26:30
you're not boyfriend girlfriend you guys00:26:32
haven't hooked up or anything00:26:34
um are you also going on dates with00:26:37
other people you're just seeing him but00:26:39
it's not official yet so yeah Tatum what00:26:42
about you you're not going on dates no00:26:44
do you have a a guy you occasionally see00:26:47
your friends with benefits uh uh nobody00:26:50
or no no00:26:52
nothing no no I'm strictly focusing on00:26:55
my school00:26:58
that's great and like partying00:27:01
and life and partying yeah isn't there a00:27:05
Temptation when you go out to party so00:27:06
this is where uh two blocks away from00:27:09
UCSB we're here now Vista number one00:27:11
party school well frequently ranked the00:27:13
number one party school in the U.S I00:27:15
love this a really big party uh party00:27:17
scene you guys go out to IV the party or00:27:19
do you go yeah occasionally occasionally00:27:21
how frequently would you guys say you go00:27:24
out and party I feel like it depends on00:27:25
the season yeah in the winter not as00:27:28
much Sam can I have you just scoot your00:27:29
mic a little closer towards you to the00:27:31
edge of the table perfect00:27:33
it's the end of the season it depends on00:27:35
the season oh it depends like if it's00:27:36
winter I feel like colder yeah I00:27:38
wouldn't go out that much but during the00:27:39
summer I probably would be out there a00:27:40
lot okay how frequently would you guys00:27:42
party during the summer like multiple00:27:45
times a week three four times a week00:27:47
like three times a week four three four00:27:49
for her I can't do it okay got it okay I00:27:53
get tired out00:27:54
okay so when's the last have you when's00:27:58
the last time you've been on a date00:28:00
or oh my God PTSD I'm not talking about00:28:03
it though you can't just put that out00:28:06
there00:28:07
oh God is it is it related to essay no00:28:12
no oh okay00:28:18
PTSD like he just it just like uh she00:28:22
sees him around campus is it yeah yeah00:28:28
yeah it was just awkward I went to the00:28:31
um this guy's house that I started00:28:33
damning00:28:34
and I never met him in person before and00:28:37
like the first thing we decided to do00:28:40
was smoke and00:28:41
I love to smoke but I can't like either00:28:45
marijuana oh okay yeah sorry I'm sorry00:28:49
um where did you meet him really quick00:28:50
through Instagram Instagram00:28:52
udmed him no he dm'd me he dm'd you yeah00:28:55
and we like texted for a little00:28:59
um and then we stopped and then he hit00:29:00
me up again like this past fall00:29:04
and00:29:05
he was like we should smoke soon and I00:29:07
was like yeah I don't know why I said00:29:10
that I can't smoke in front of people I00:29:12
don't know and we decided to do it at00:29:14
his house which that was also just weird00:29:17
it was a weird experience altogether I00:29:19
don't like being high in front of like00:29:21
newcomers00:29:22
so wasn't he like00:29:24
he was just being yeah he was being the00:29:28
classic the classic but what's the00:29:30
classic wait why are you all the way00:29:31
over there come sit on the bed it's more00:29:33
comfortable00:29:34
you see my red LED lights00:29:38
but I also was getting just like major X00:29:41
because I was high00:29:43
and did you not have the major Ricks00:29:46
before you guys smoked00:29:49
um I literally like met him at his house00:29:52
like I had never like talked to or met00:29:55
or seen this dude in person she just00:29:58
went straight to his house yeah no we00:30:00
met on campus and we like met in the00:30:04
parking lot and then he's like okay00:30:06
here's my here's my address like just00:30:09
meet me there just a knight in shining00:30:11
armor00:30:12
I'm sorry where you end up on the news00:30:13
the next day yeah00:30:18
sounds so bad I'm sorry is there more to00:30:22
this no there really isn't it was just00:30:24
like I I ghosted him after that and he00:30:29
just texted me a couple times like00:30:32
what did I do what should he have done00:30:34
differently so he slides into your DMs00:30:37
like how could it work we just shouldn't00:30:39
have because he's like let's smoke at my00:30:41
house and I don't know why I agreed to00:30:42
that but like that should not have been00:30:43
my first interaction with the dude like00:30:47
first of all I should have been sober00:30:48
and second of all like I don't feel like00:30:51
I should have met him at his house yeah00:30:53
yeah like a stranger I've never met this00:30:55
fool before right yeah you guys should00:30:57
like met out of restaurants yeah I don't00:30:59
know what was going through my head00:31:01
um00:31:02
and then but he's text me that on00:31:04
Instagram and I opened it and I totally00:31:06
forgot that there's like red receipts I00:31:08
was just like LOL00:31:10
and I like to play my phone side00:31:13
and he was like wow I see how it is it00:31:17
wasn't nice knowing you00:31:20
it's so rude yeah for me for him to say00:31:25
that to you was it nice well I kept I00:31:29
ghosted him yeah yeah I almost gave her00:31:32
the X yeah everything he did was very00:31:34
unchivalrous and I also think that00:31:36
sometimes when you do DM them back and00:31:39
you're you try to be like platonically00:31:41
nice they can take it the wrong way so00:31:43
yeah you get yourself in more of a yeah00:31:46
like oh I don't want to string them long00:31:48
but like maybe we could be friends but00:31:49
they probably don't want that yeah00:31:52
and he like invited me over multiple00:31:54
times like after that and like right00:31:56
after I left and I was like oh yeah no00:31:58
he texted me like 15 minutes after I00:32:00
left like you should come back00:32:03
yo turn that car around yeah but I'd see00:32:07
him on campus all the time and it would00:32:09
like literally like shoot my heart rate00:32:12
up and I I don't know why00:32:15
what kind of a guy is he though is he a00:32:16
normal guy on the side00:32:20
you can't discuss the the looks just00:32:23
probably not your like conventional guy00:32:25
yeah you know did he have a mullet no00:32:28
but he's antisocial I'd say hmm so just00:32:32
your type00:32:33
yeah but I do like more social guys okay00:32:37
so two anti two anti-social like I said00:32:39
very picky00:32:41
sorry guys apology accepted00:32:44
um last question before we move on into00:32:45
some of our uh main topics and we do00:32:48
need to get a couple super chats here00:32:50
um have has anyone here had a hoe face00:32:57
Kiko00:33:00
I wasn't making assumptions I was just00:33:02
asking if you've had00:33:05
I mean00:33:07
I feel like00:33:09
most people have their whole face it00:33:12
just depends on like if you mean ho in00:33:16
retrospect to my usual or like hoe as in00:33:21
like would for like the normal of00:33:24
everybody because and I would if00:33:27
compared to abnormal terms no I wouldn't00:33:30
consider it a health phase but like it00:33:31
was out of mine or00:33:33
did you smoke before the show no I'm00:33:36
like getting over a cold okay do I sound00:33:39
raspy a little bit I wasn't sure what00:33:41
that no totally fine I already took00:33:43
antibiotics though so I'm good okay00:33:44
really quick just on your thing so you00:33:47
you're are you still bartending yeah00:33:49
okay you said some of your bartending00:33:51
friends uh they00:33:55
have00:33:56
they've had major phases00:34:00
I wouldn't really call it a phase if00:34:02
it's a lifestyle oh it's there's a00:34:04
continuity yeah I mean I don't mean just00:34:06
like my bartending friends I mean all00:34:08
the other ones I mean no no I just mean00:34:10
like people I've met since bartending00:34:11
okay that makes sense so what I guess00:34:15
for the lifestyle you know what how much00:34:18
of a body count are we talking here when00:34:20
we're talking like can you tell us like00:34:22
the highest maybe the top three you've00:34:24
heard from from some girls I couldn't00:34:27
tell you the top three for the highest00:34:29
I've ever heard from a girl00:34:32
it was like 3 40 something what00:34:37
340 something killed that many people is00:34:39
that what bodycon uh partners partners00:34:43
oh man because I I'm like actually not a00:34:46
prude and I you know I'm from New York00:34:48
and I'm like00:34:49
I the highest I've ever heard is like a00:34:51
hundred and I thought that was the00:34:53
craziest number I'm hearing that from00:34:54
I've heard way higher too than what then00:34:56
like 340 I've heard people like I'm just00:34:59
saying 100's the highest you've heard00:35:01
yeah00:35:03
and I thought that was crazy it is crazy00:35:06
but I feel like I've heard but have you00:35:07
heard it from guys or girls because guys00:35:09
always inflate their number and women00:35:10
that's like true you're right you're00:35:13
right you're right there's a guy I'll00:35:14
say oh yeah probably about ten thousand00:35:16
Genghis Khan didn't sleep with ten00:35:17
thousand women yeah it's not real 340. I00:35:20
don't think it was it was around 3 40. I00:35:22
think it was like 346 if I remember00:35:24
exactly what about some other high00:35:26
numbers that no I live ever since then I00:35:28
can't even remember anything else00:35:31
uh that's all I can remember from from00:35:33
your other friends yeah that's I00:35:35
everything else after that and unless00:35:37
it's 100 plus yeah there's a few of00:35:39
those a couple a few hundred plus okay00:35:41
who has that much time 340. I know I00:35:44
know I think it's people because it's00:35:45
like00:35:47
if they're if they're just a promiscuous00:35:49
person they've probably been like this00:35:51
since they were like 16 most of these00:35:53
people were like 30 that I'm saying00:35:55
that's 12 years that's a lot of time to00:35:58
do some damage if you really think about00:35:59
it especially if you've never been in a00:36:02
long-term relationship so you have time00:36:04
to just keep going at it00:36:06
that is time to collect some cards00:36:08
because I sometimes think back in my00:36:10
I've had very brief single days and I00:36:12
think oh man I was an atheist I was a00:36:14
you know total derelict and I thought oh00:36:16
wow that was really crazy but then you00:36:18
think well what if people just had that00:36:20
period of time00:36:21
times 10 right yeah and which a lot of00:36:25
people do right wow so00:36:29
phase I mean what do you consider a00:36:31
whole face like what's your definition00:36:32
of a hope well what's your sense of it00:36:35
I would say going out00:36:38
getting hammered a lot00:36:40
and screwing a lot of dudes00:36:43
seems like a fair definition00:36:46
I00:36:48
I kind of the same thing like I would00:36:50
consider what I had at one point as a00:36:52
hopes I don't think the average person00:36:54
would or that a full-blown whole phase00:36:59
but like to each their own I guess you00:37:01
know okay00:37:03
Sam what about you um I didn't really00:37:06
have a whole face I had a player phase00:37:07
where I just like knocked out a whole00:37:09
fan groups and like killed Alder I was00:37:12
like going through it and I am00:37:14
I like played a whole fan group on00:37:16
accident00:37:18
what's the distinction between00:37:21
a a hoe phase and a player phase because00:37:24
I didn't like do anything with them I00:37:26
just00:37:27
talked like talk to them and texted them00:37:29
and played the field and then like one00:37:31
by one like made them like me just for00:37:35
fun so it's just for ego no it wasn't00:37:36
for ego I actually like had crushes on00:37:38
these people and then like I like pick00:37:40
realized like I think I picked the wrong00:37:42
one I actually like that one more and00:37:45
then it happened it only was three of00:37:46
them but the whole friend group didn't00:37:48
end up liking me so00:37:49
indecisiveness yeah it was purely00:37:51
understandable when I was in I ended up00:37:53
dating one of them for two years so I00:37:55
really was trying to like be a player00:37:58
player I just was indecisive they call00:38:01
that a sweet complete when I was in00:38:02
college and the girl was every single00:38:04
guy in the suite00:38:10
maybe not yet maybe in the future in the00:38:13
works maybe yeah you're gonna have to00:38:15
lower your standard side for that well00:38:17
maybe they will lower or you'll just00:38:19
have a string of00:38:21
skater or boys00:38:24
yeah I hear a train at first I was00:38:27
thinking your high standards were a bad00:38:29
thing because it would be very hard to00:38:31
meet a guy but maybe that's a great00:38:32
thing because you've avoided the whole00:38:34
phase because you have very high00:38:35
standards even though they're oddly00:38:37
specific okay that's good00:38:40
yeah00:38:41
actually kind of on that topic well I'll00:38:44
let the table finish have you ever had a00:38:46
office00:38:47
um no it takes a lot for me to um I00:38:50
guess like someone00:38:52
no I don't think okay00:38:54
no00:38:56
Michael have you ever had a whole face a00:39:01
lady doesn't tell Brian okay okay00:39:03
um well I sort of alluded to it you know00:39:05
I was uh derelict once a year I went to00:39:09
Yale and Yale's a party Yale's a weird00:39:12
campus man Yale is known for00:39:15
like weird secret society rituals and00:39:19
getting naked that's basically I mean00:39:21
yeah they would do all this crazy stuff00:39:22
I think back on it now they would have00:39:23
sex week every two years they would00:39:25
bring in porn stars to give lectures00:39:27
yeah good times yeah and it's all these00:39:29
I was kind of wondering there are porn00:39:31
stars back in your day you know actually00:39:33
back in the 19th century it was 1878 it00:39:36
was the huge porn star ever oh awesome00:39:38
yeah and yeah old old Abraham it was00:39:41
yeah he wasn't very beautiful on the00:39:43
first camera yeah00:39:46
yeah I wonder though when I got to Yale00:39:50
I thought why are all of these people so00:39:54
promiscuous like why is everyone you00:39:56
wouldn't necessarily expect that and I00:39:57
realized you think about the people who00:40:00
you might have known in high school who00:40:01
went to Yale were probably fairly nerdy00:40:04
fairly studious maybe didn't go out that00:40:06
much probably didn't go to a ton of00:40:08
parties you know and so they were just00:40:10
these Penta balls of lust and gluttony00:40:16
and drunkenness and then they just00:40:19
explode and it's yeah well they say when00:40:22
like you have really00:40:24
um strict parenting as a high schooler00:40:26
where you're not allowed to go out a lot00:40:28
once you hit college and you have no00:40:30
rules they kind of go off the walls and00:40:32
like the partying the drinking and all00:40:33
that I had roommates like that I went to00:40:35
NYU and my roommates man my dad was like00:40:39
oh you have really nice roommates they00:40:41
must have had great parents wow by the00:40:44
way I'm getting reports that we have00:40:47
almost 600:40:49
000 live viewers in the chat this is a a00:40:53
record for whatever so the chat is on00:40:55
fire I had to uh I had to boost00:40:57
unfortunately the uh time between chat00:41:00
messages but um yeah guys thank you so00:41:02
much for uh tuning in we're about to get00:41:05
into some of our more uh spicy questions00:41:07
here one question on your high standards00:41:08
so is there just like an absurd00:41:11
ridiculous deal breaker you have like00:41:14
that in terms of your high standards00:41:16
like if a dude00:41:19
he's got like weird knees or something00:41:21
just some like random00:41:22
totally unimportant thing that's a deal00:41:25
breaker for you disease yeah okay00:41:27
honestly like this might sound really00:41:30
shallow but a lot of the high standards00:41:32
like comes from the looks like the looks00:41:35
people's looks are the first thing I00:41:36
look at and then like past that it's00:41:38
like personality and like whatever else00:41:41
so if it had to do something with their00:41:43
like their looks that like stood out is00:41:47
that what you mean00:41:48
yeah like maybe uh they they have two00:41:51
two different colored socks or something00:41:53
like that or weird nipples weirdness00:41:55
I've seen that and I'm like no weird00:41:58
nipples weird nipples and you're like no00:42:00
yeah that's like a deal breaker for you00:42:03
I feel like for guys it's much easier00:42:05
because guys they can be very attractive00:42:08
and not your like stereotypical00:42:10
attractive but you know I agree with you00:42:13
yeah00:42:14
sometimes you just attracted to someone00:42:16
and you don't know why yeah but you're00:42:18
attracted to them and everyone else is00:42:19
like what and you're like but they have00:42:22
like them yeah you say I find this guy00:42:23
so attractive he's got a great job he's00:42:26
you know really a great family and it00:42:29
drives a fast car but his nipples just00:42:30
unfortunately too weird so there it goes00:42:34
yeah that happens out with the old books00:42:38
all right we're going to do a couple uh00:42:39
chats here so uh guys if you want uh00:42:42
check out the description for all Super00:42:43
China donation triggers if you want it00:42:45
to be read TTS we had to boost it to 20000:42:47
just to uh preserve the flow of the show00:42:50
uh we have Stifler here you know what00:42:53
we'll come back to that one from00:42:54
Stiffler uh M1 grand asks would any of00:42:57
the girls date a guy who is pro-gon and00:43:00
owns a firearm sure yes for sure let's00:43:03
just go one by one here go ahead yes yes00:43:07
yes yes I'm with one that owns it yeah00:43:10
oh okay yes00:43:11
all right I bet they didn't see that one00:43:13
coming would you would you all consider00:43:16
yourself to be conservative or00:43:18
right-wing and is that why you would00:43:20
date a guy who's no no no I just00:43:23
hopefully I mean we have guns yeah I00:43:26
don't think the gun issue has to be on00:43:28
either side I don't think you have to be00:43:30
a conservative to uh like be pro-gun00:43:33
yeah not saying what my political stance00:43:36
is that's all I'm saying I have heard00:43:38
that there are definitely people who are00:43:40
on the left who are in favor of gun00:43:43
ownership and gun rights yeah I I have00:43:45
heard that but uh00:43:47
I think amongst for example Democrats if00:43:50
we kind of differentiate Democrats and00:43:52
people who are left leaning00:43:55
um there is Democrats typically are not so00:43:59
much in favor of I think yeah because I00:44:01
was just sort of wondering if you happen00:44:03
to be more left-wing if you find00:44:05
yourself attracted to the someone who00:44:08
has all these stereotypically right-wing00:44:10
characteristics like gun ownership00:44:13
I feel like I'm not typically attracted00:44:15
to someone who has right-wing like00:44:17
ideals but I wouldn't mind a gun like00:44:20
that's not something that's going to00:44:21
make me be like no I feel like these00:44:23
days you have to I mean if you have a00:44:24
family you got to protect someone you00:44:26
have to be responsible00:44:28
I'm more left-leaning I wouldn't00:44:30
consider myself a Democrat00:44:33
um but I usually am more attracted to00:44:35
more right-wing people of anything what00:44:38
do you think that is good question00:44:41
um00:44:43
I don't know I've never really thought00:44:44
about it we have time00:44:47
oh wonderful00:44:50
can I come back because I I would have00:44:53
guessed that I would guess most women00:44:55
even if they say I'm liberal or I'm00:44:57
left-wing ultimately especially if00:44:58
you're thinking for a guy more long term00:45:00
but even in the short term you're00:45:02
probably not attracted to some guy who's00:45:04
like wearing dresses or is super like00:45:08
makes you pay the check or is kind of00:45:10
you know like a soy boy yeah00:45:14
um I wouldn't say all that I see00:45:17
um00:45:19
I could see where you are going with00:45:21
that though and why people who believe00:45:23
the same things as you would see that00:45:26
um it's just for me since I said I am00:45:28
left leaning not fully a Democrat I00:45:31
don't I find myself yeah I'm not fully00:45:33
agreeing with a lot of things00:45:36
um that a lot of like full Democrats00:45:37
believe whereas I always I don't always00:45:39
believe things up will conservatives00:45:41
believe but we'll find a middle ground00:45:42
easier than I will with the00:45:45
really really democratical people00:45:47
just say you don't like soy boys00:45:50
or maybe you do I don't know maybe I00:45:52
mean I really couldn't say that since00:45:53
like I've dated girls so it's like00:45:56
that's like and also I feel like um00:45:58
feminine men can be very attractive like00:46:01
very attractive and I think men that a00:46:03
lot of people who are younger00:46:06
the younger generation00:46:11
feminine men no um I feel like a lot of00:46:13
the guys that girls nowadays find00:46:15
attractive are very feminine what do you00:46:17
mean by that like look at Harry Styles I00:46:19
feel like he's a very famous well he has00:46:21
a lot of status too but I still feel00:46:22
like I I mean personally he doesn't do00:46:24
it for me but I know a lot of girls who00:46:25
do like him and Harry Styles00:46:28
feminine looking yeah but just because00:46:30
there were dresses it doesn't like I00:46:32
don't know what makes them feminine um00:46:37
like he like he seems very he doesn't00:46:40
seem like super like you know gym rap00:46:41
masculine like big big guy no they're00:46:44
very like skinny scrawny like slender00:46:46
men like I feel like coming inside yes00:46:49
and they're very like soft they come off00:46:51
soft not like someone who's very strong00:46:53
and aggressive and I feel like a lot of00:46:55
times women find that attractive I think00:46:57
younger women tend to find more feminine00:47:00
men a bit more attractive but I think as00:47:02
women start to get older they do start00:47:04
leaning more and more towards more like00:47:06
more masculine men or it could just be00:47:09
like a generational thing00:47:11
it could be just like the way that our00:47:14
generation is versus other Generations00:47:15
more regional thing too yeah well I also00:47:18
think there's a component of social00:47:19
proof too because if all the other women00:47:22
find him attractive it's almost this00:47:25
this uh if the other girls find him00:47:27
attractive oh well00:47:28
other women will find them attractive00:47:30
too so really quick on the women00:47:33
really quick on the women finding00:47:34
feminine men more attractive and Michael00:47:37
maybe you've heard of this I've heard00:47:38
that women who take birth control uh00:47:42
tend to and I maybe it's something with00:47:44
how the hormones are changing them00:47:47
um tend to find men with more feminine00:47:49
character characteristics attractive00:47:51
when they're on birth control I would00:47:53
believe that because I'm now convinced00:47:55
birth control just poison I think it00:47:59
changes your brain oh it does it does00:48:01
you and you you have you sort of00:48:03
experienced this or this is the stories00:48:05
you've heard from people no I think a00:48:07
lot I've been on multiple different00:48:09
types of birth control and I feel like00:48:10
they've all affected me differently in00:48:12
different ways and I feel like birth00:48:13
control shouldn't affect you and you're00:48:15
like brain because they tell you they00:48:17
say oh this isn't going to affect00:48:18
anything about your body it's like well00:48:19
I don't know I'm taking a bunch of00:48:20
hormones constantly like I don't know if00:48:22
I do cookie at lunch it affects the way00:48:24
that I feel yeah I think pumping myself00:48:25
on hormones will do that yeah I feel00:48:27
like I'm like the rare case where if one00:48:29
if anything since having an IUD and00:48:32
never took birth control before having00:48:33
an IUD00:48:34
um in the end of 2020 middle of 202000:48:38
before that if anything I dated more00:48:40
woman more feminine men and ever since00:48:43
then I've dated more masculine men and I00:48:46
also like00:48:48
yeah maybe hormonal ID it is00:48:52
um I don't know I just I feel like I00:48:53
haven't seen00:48:56
my boobs got bigger at first but they00:48:58
went back down that's like literally the00:48:59
only thing I noticed yeah my titties I00:49:02
went from like a solid like b cup to00:49:04
like a solid like full D with right away00:49:07
but then they went away they deflated00:49:09
again but do you think the reason that00:49:11
you started dating more masculine men00:49:12
once you got on birth control was just00:49:14
in your mind you had less of a fear of00:49:17
getting pregnant so you said okay now00:49:19
I'm not going to date women or whatever00:49:20
damn I never00:49:22
thought of that00:49:25
you like to play cards I I consider00:49:28
myself a love doctor a good one00:49:30
Michael is the new co-host of the show00:49:33
we've poached him from the daily wire00:49:35
back to Santa Barbara you're asking all00:49:37
the questions yeah so okay uh let's do a00:49:40
couple uh chats here so we have everyone00:49:42
seemed to be fine with a guy who is a00:49:45
program and owns Firearms we've got to00:49:47
remind you oh yeah do you wanna we'll do00:49:49
uh the shout out the twitch people00:49:51
really quick00:49:52
by the way guys00:49:54
um if you have a Twitch account go to00:49:56
twitch.tv slash whatever give us a00:49:58
follow and if you have an Amazon Prime00:49:59
sub uh drop us a sub if you can00:50:02
um twitch.tv slash whatever thank you00:50:06
guys all right so we have Richard00:50:09
contini Jr here thank you thank you for00:50:11
the 50 man appreciate it uh by the way00:50:14
does anyone want to be the designated00:50:15
Super Chat reader who's got a good day I00:50:18
was reading something women are not used00:50:20
to being forced to think what does that00:50:22
mean00:50:23
uh that that is that's I'm not sure um00:50:27
does anyone have a good reading voice00:50:29
Tatum here how about you get this one I00:50:31
can't I'm just kind of a little sick00:50:33
right now oh okay but uh here how about00:50:36
Kiko00:50:38
oh sorry I that one's getting all00:50:40
covered up my bad00:50:42
uh Kika you want to read this one00:50:46
these girls have no idea what's about to00:50:49
happen Michael you're an awesome guy I00:50:52
Love Your Daily Show well thank you for00:50:53
saying that Kiko I appreciate that it00:50:55
came from the heart she endorses her00:50:56
show by the way it's great I'm gonna put00:50:58
it back ready flip it and ship it all00:51:02
right we have a Rob CD thank you for the00:51:03
50 Rob appreciate it where can I get00:51:05
those old school Isla Vista posters is00:51:07
Ivy store still open hail Gauchos I00:51:09
assume you're talking about that couch00:51:11
photo that I use in the intro um yeah I00:51:14
think uh00:51:15
I think it's available on00:51:18
Fine Art America I think you can get it00:51:21
there thank you Rob appreciate it uh00:51:23
American Grizzly thank you for the 7500:51:25
man appreciate it uh love the show Brian00:51:27
long time follower of Knowles and daily00:51:29
wire love to see you're coming to00:51:30
Buffalo00:51:31
um I'm already seeing protests starting00:51:35
best of luck because I'm very00:51:38
intimidating you know we were just00:51:39
talking about those like gym rat very00:51:41
imposing dudes and so it's like they00:51:42
they know when I'm coming oh they can00:51:45
sense you they can like it's my00:51:46
pheromones I think someone called to00:51:48
Channing Tatum that's what people say it00:51:50
all the time many people are talking00:51:51
about it yeah do you know any martial00:51:54
arts I actually I did briefly train in00:51:58
what I call Krav Maga at Jeremy boring's00:52:01
house okay oh it's also known as Jujitsu00:52:04
and so I trained in that for a while and00:52:06
it was it was awful it was horrible I'd00:52:09
wake up early I'd have to like my Jiu00:52:11
Jitsu is when you use more your legs but00:52:13
this is jujitsu it's also known as Krav00:52:15
Maga and uh and you know it's like very00:52:18
fighting kind of dirty and yeah it was a00:52:21
hassle man00:52:22
you want to do that yeah I'm a lover not00:52:26
a fighter I realize that00:52:52
yeah it's like nurturing your actions00:52:55
would be masculine but you would00:52:57
understand it's hypothematic wow I don't00:53:00
think you come off feminine at all I00:53:01
just don't think you come off as toxic00:53:04
like masculine00:53:09
like I don't I don't really see it's a00:53:12
group of feminine but you're just not00:53:13
yeah00:53:15
he's Satan right there I'm the toxic one00:53:19
yeah yeah the toxic masculinity is I00:53:21
feel like yeah00:53:23
you're either toxic00:53:26
there's no just normal masculine anymore00:53:30
I think actually you raised a great00:53:33
point because when you see people bring00:53:35
up toxic masculinity and a lot of times00:53:37
people bring it up because they just00:53:38
hate masculinity so they say you know00:53:41
all masculinity is toxic but there is a00:53:43
toxic kind of masculinity right there is00:53:45
a way where men who have basically have00:53:48
no good Role Models just decide to00:53:50
perform to try to pretend they're Conan00:53:52
the Barbarian or something like that and00:53:53
it's very silly just00:53:56
yeah it just always looks like you're00:53:58
overcompensating for something yeah yeah00:54:00
right so if I mean I I sort of almost00:54:04
reject this concept of toxic masculinity00:54:07
because I feel like it needlessly00:54:08
genders because you have Behavior00:54:11
because I have am I toxically masculine00:54:13
but I feel like how do you really feel I00:54:16
feel like there definitely is toxic00:54:17
masculinity I don't think all00:54:18
masculinity yeah00:54:20
I mean some people tell me that you kind00:54:23
of like blame women a lot it's like you00:54:25
put like a lot of therapists that's a00:54:27
toxic masculinity where are you kind of00:54:29
I blame yeah you blame women I feel like00:54:31
you have this like I I don't blame women00:54:33
it's like you tell their lie you kind of00:54:35
create this image and a woman I'm bad00:54:37
and you continuously put it out there00:54:40
for young men to like be like oh I don't00:54:42
wanna get married like I will just date00:54:44
women for like as long as I want why not00:54:47
that you don't want to get married no no00:54:49
no why not oh all right00:54:54
one two three all right one V7 okay00:54:58
um well so00:55:00
I I'm not opposed to necessarily having00:55:02
a life partner but there there are there00:55:06
are certain00:55:07
sorry I'm sorry Michael there are00:55:09
certain realities when it comes to to00:55:11
marriage that from the male perspective00:55:14
make it seem uh risky oh only from the00:55:18
male perspective because I can feel like00:55:20
well it's also men are female how so I00:55:23
think you've never been in love I feel00:55:25
like yeah if you're very at risk factor00:55:28
I feel like it goes both ways yeah okay00:55:30
they're turning on me well it's but to00:55:33
your point Brian you you know you make a00:55:35
good amount of money you the way the00:55:37
judicial system works if a woman00:55:39
divorced you she could take a bunch of00:55:40
your money she could take your kids so00:55:42
there's a risk but my question is if00:55:45
you're already going to have a life00:55:46
partner which sounds I'm sorry to say00:55:48
kind of gay like it's not it's not00:55:51
gendered it's not traditional thank you00:55:53
for saying that it's just so if you're00:55:55
gonna do that anyway why and but you00:55:58
want to protect against divorce why not00:55:59
just marry a woman who's not going to00:56:01
get divorced or get a prenup okay you00:56:04
know yeah literally So you you're saying00:56:06
like well if you find the a great woman00:56:09
that you know that's no not even just00:56:11
that I'm saying because you know you00:56:14
could find the most wonderful woman in00:56:15
the world and then I don't know someday00:56:16
something goes off in her brain and she00:56:17
totally turns on you but what if you00:56:19
create the structures such that you're00:56:21
not going to get divorced I'll give you00:56:22
an example I'm Catholic my wife and I00:56:24
cannot get divorced she could murder me00:56:26
that would be her way out of the00:56:27
marriage but we can it is not possible00:56:30
for us to get divorced now if you let's00:56:32
say you're not Catholic yet and maybe00:56:34
you don't you know you have you haven't00:56:36
worked through these things maybe what00:56:38
did you say yes00:56:41
what if before you get married you sign00:56:45
a prenup but not the kind of prenup now00:56:47
not the kind of prenup where you say00:56:49
okay in case we get divorced you know we00:56:51
get 50 50. what if you signed a prenup00:56:52
that says if you divorce I will kill you00:56:54
yeah I'll kill you whoever brings the00:56:57
divorce forfeits everything that's00:57:00
called that's the Knowles prenup and00:57:01
then you're and then you're safe you're00:57:03
not going to take your kids or she's not00:57:04
gonna take your money and you get to be00:57:05
married you should not have a life00:57:06
partner sure I mean I've I I'd love to00:57:09
bring on like uh a family attorney to00:57:12
ask him questions about this but kind of00:57:14
what I've heard in my understanding when00:57:15
it comes to prenuptial agreements is00:57:17
that oftentimes they can be thrown out00:57:20
and they don't I I don't think prenups00:57:22
can apply to uh post marriage so you can00:57:26
protect your assets that you've acquired00:57:29
pre-marriage I could be totally off base00:57:31
here but I've heard prenups can get00:57:33
thrown out someone could say oh I was00:57:35
assigned it under duress bottle of Lies00:57:37
unfair it's um there's a specific term00:57:39
for it that's uh evading me right now00:57:41
it's um but is that why you don't want00:57:43
to get married because you're afraid of00:57:45
the divorce potentially afraid of woman00:57:47
Why Not Just Dance issues00:57:57
um like if you dated another successful00:57:59
woman wouldn't that fear kind disappear00:58:01
because then if anything it's like you00:58:03
know she could be scared of you what if00:58:05
she's more stupid money or something00:58:06
what if she's making more money than you00:58:07
are yeah like why are we asleep you want00:58:10
a wife right I mean you you want to not00:58:13
apparently not maybe he wants to do he00:58:14
wants a life partner Mike he wants a00:58:16
life partner yeah well you're right okay00:58:19
you know what's big now with virtual00:58:22
virtual girlfriends sexual wives00:58:28
or is it virtual one he wants a dog that00:58:31
speaks English yeah but she can take and00:58:34
that he wouldn't but it's like a thing00:58:36
in the future now you can have a virtue00:58:37
it's like an AI but it's interesting00:58:41
why don't you just put all your faces00:58:44
into us and we can figure it out yeah00:58:45
we'll figure out all your lovely we00:58:46
really want to get to the root of this00:58:47
problem yeah I I just I00:58:50
I don't see the the benefits don't well00:58:53
this is why I asked don't you want a00:58:55
wife companion there I can have a00:58:57
companion and not be married and I'm not00:59:00
a fan of the government so I don't want00:59:01
the government involved in my life00:59:02
someone more than 10 years you're gonna00:59:05
be illegally legally00:59:07
well not that's only some states not all00:59:10
states have common law marriage00:59:11
California we do I don't know how long00:59:14
no California does not have common law00:59:15
marriage00:59:16
my parents are by that00:59:19
no no I'm pretty sure California is not00:59:21
common level yeah no that's the only00:59:23
reason Google it00:59:27
is00:59:29
but they've never been they haven't been00:59:31
dating since 2001. here Colorado Iowa00:59:34
Kansas Montana New Hampshire Oklahoma00:59:36
Rhode Island South Carolina Texas Utah00:59:38
and DC00:59:39
those are the only uh according to this00:59:42
Sterling you're very quick Google search00:59:45
so yeah it's I think it's a minority of00:59:48
states that have common law marriage but00:59:49
yes that is a risk factor in those00:59:51
States if if you are cohabitating with00:59:53
somebody and you almost treat your00:59:56
relationship as if you're married then00:59:58
you are basically in the eyes of the law01:00:01
you are married01:00:02
uh luckily in California which I don't01:00:05
know how much longer I'm going to stay01:00:06
here01:00:07
um I'm probably going to get canceled by01:00:09
proxy because Michael's on the show but01:00:11
um uh just kidding but maybe kidding I01:00:14
don't know you probably the Franchise01:00:15
Tax Board is going to come and evict you01:00:17
probably scary stuff um so I don't have01:00:20
anything against for other people I01:00:22
that's great I just I've sort of looked01:00:25
at the the numbers I've done the01:00:27
calculus and it just to me it seems like01:00:29
here I'll put the math here here I've01:00:31
done the math you know 50 of marriages01:00:34
end in divorce and the stats I've seen01:00:38
80 of divorces are initiated by women01:00:40
and so when I say it it's bad for the01:00:43
man Devore um the the negative01:00:46
consequences of divorce typically tend01:00:48
to disproportionately impact men they01:00:51
can impact women but I mean I think 9701:00:54
of it's like 97 of alimony payments go01:00:58
from men to women so there there are01:01:02
some concerns there financially and then01:01:03
just you have the government involved01:01:05
and then it can be quite contentious and01:01:07
then not only is there the consideration01:01:10
in terms of splitting your assets but01:01:12
then you have lawyers involved and I01:01:14
don't have anything necessarily wrong01:01:16
perhaps from a religious perspective01:01:18
with marriage but when the state's01:01:20
involved and I think we01:01:22
ought to perhaps rewrite marriage laws01:01:26
to perhaps incentivize men to get01:01:29
married again because you have no fault01:01:30
divorce yeah and um01:01:33
what's the other thing and then01:01:36
um you know your wife could cheat on you01:01:37
and then take half your [ __ ] I think01:01:39
under certain circumstances if you can01:01:41
prove it in a courtroom that perhaps you01:01:44
shouldn't be on the hook for alimony if01:01:46
there's been some infidelity for example01:01:48
you're saying so that you could dump01:01:49
your wife if she cheats on you01:01:51
yes without any Financial hurts01:01:56
your question they're always worried01:01:58
about like something gonna happen bad01:01:59
like when you just like you have no01:02:02
trust and faith and I think it's the01:02:03
society let me ask you a question let me01:02:06
ask you a question so how many people01:02:08
get married and they think hey this is01:02:10
the person I love we're gonna be01:02:11
together forever01:02:12
and then you you hear that divorce rate01:02:15
it's like 50 of marriages end in divorce01:02:17
I think when people get married very01:02:19
young right but isn't that the best time01:02:21
to get married01:02:26
I didn't get married young though I've01:02:28
only been married now about five years01:02:30
but I should have gotten married younger01:02:32
it's one of my quasi regrets in life but01:02:34
some of the best marriages I've ever01:02:36
seen were people who got married 2001:02:38
years old or 22 or 23 years old I just01:02:40
wonder Brian because all the objections01:02:42
you're raising are completely legit I01:02:45
just wonder if you you are looking at an01:02:48
alternative that doesn't really exist01:02:50
that's illusory because if you're01:02:51
thinking okay I'm gonna have more01:02:53
freedom01:02:54
if I don't get married I don't know if01:02:56
that's true you know if you're always in01:02:58
one of these situations even if you're01:02:59
just dating where you think well where01:03:01
are we where do we stand is he going to01:03:02
leave me is this that is in a marriage01:03:05
in a proper marriage all that is gone01:03:07
and so you think I had a bad day I got01:03:09
in a fight with my wife I didn't do the01:03:12
laundry whatever doesn't matter01:03:13
especially if you believe in marriage01:03:15
like marriage really is you say this is01:03:17
an institution defined by real things I01:03:19
made a covenant before God and the01:03:20
political Community I signed up with the01:03:22
government they're going to take my01:03:23
money if I break this Covenant and that01:03:26
actually it seems like it puts01:03:27
limitations on you but it actually gives01:03:29
you a ton of freedom because you can01:03:30
think oh01:03:31
I'm here we're in this there's no01:03:33
there's no getting out there's no way01:03:36
out but through and so we're just going01:03:37
to make this thing work I I find it's a01:03:39
very freeing experience what if you also01:03:42
meet someone and just like I want to get01:03:44
married then you're in love with this01:03:45
girl what is it a deal breaker for you01:03:48
I have not crossed that someone hasn't01:03:51
found that that road yet but um I don't01:03:54
know I mean my my thinking on this is01:03:56
just you should never sign a contract01:03:57
with someone who is rewarded for01:03:59
breaking it and in today's day and age01:04:01
often times if you01:04:03
break the marriage contract you there01:04:06
are certain Financial benefits that you01:04:08
can read people get married in another01:04:09
country and then you don't have to01:04:11
passport grows we are01:04:13
I think01:04:15
maybe actually you know what's happening01:04:17
in Japan because women can't find01:04:19
there's not enough guys so there's a01:04:22
thing where they have one woman wedding01:04:24
because all these girls want to get01:04:26
married Tokyo here I come you know what01:04:29
Michael you've convinced me to get01:04:31
married in fact Eric if you can hide01:04:33
this01:04:34
um01:04:42
like last time you reached for it you01:04:45
just had that ready I had it ready he01:04:47
knew you were coming he already knew01:04:49
Tatum01:04:50
will you marry me01:04:53
yeah okay put it01:04:58
thank you Michael you're the best winged01:04:59
man ever congratulations01:05:01
Brian I will be divorcing you at the end01:05:04
of this podcast this is wonderful all01:05:05
right can can you do a little uh Beyonce01:05:08
all right okay look at that01:05:11
nice some people in the back all right01:05:14
Tatum Atlas okay cool01:05:17
um01:05:18
what what's this she's keeping the last01:05:21
name wait are we hyphenating no no no no01:05:23
no no no no no no they're both Gonna01:05:25
Know You're Not Gonna Keep your last01:05:26
name but then our family's name runs out01:05:29
yeah there's two girls only two girls01:05:30
yeah the only two girls well that's the01:05:32
way things shake out right I mean your01:05:33
your family's name is either going to be01:05:36
your husband's name or your father's01:05:38
name why because that's what your last01:05:41
name is but why can't I want to keep my01:05:43
father's last name so I'll just keep my01:05:44
father's last name if I get married01:05:47
why Fiona Flynn have you heard that01:05:50
that's a great that's a nice name I'm01:05:52
not you know I have friends who married01:05:53
guys with horrible last names but it's01:05:56
kind of weird01:05:57
EST girlfriend when you get married you01:05:59
would keep your father's last name no no01:06:01
you wouldn't I wanted she's talked about01:06:03
it01:06:04
unless the last name unless the last01:06:06
name is really awesome01:06:08
yeah I like my last name too doesn't01:06:11
that feel like you're not really getting01:06:12
married then no you're not really for me01:06:14
no I mean if you're devoted to each01:06:15
other in every way possible I don't01:06:17
think it's very trivial part of it your01:06:20
name is what you are called identified01:06:23
that is not what I'm called can I ask01:06:25
you a question so if you have kids right01:06:27
are they gonna take your husband's last01:06:29
name or yours or you're gonna hyphenate01:06:32
it do you don't want kids no why not01:06:35
because I just don't want to bring kids01:06:37
into the world right now so or any time01:06:39
from the way the world's looking the01:06:42
world's always looking bad for thousands01:06:44
of years but you got born we were01:06:46
talking about that we were around you're01:06:48
not happy about that I don't believe01:06:49
you're smiling I don't believe that01:06:51
person I'm happy about it that's really01:06:53
sad to you that's fair I don't believe01:06:54
that for a second if there's it's I mean01:06:56
there's pros and cons but I mean I just01:06:57
I don't know I feel like it's a very I01:07:00
mean being a parent's a very serious01:07:01
thing I don't feel like a lot of people01:07:02
take it serious enough and I feel like01:07:04
there's a lot of kids in this world who01:07:06
have bad parents or who are dealing with01:07:08
trauma from parents and it's affecting01:07:10
the way these people are raised and like01:07:12
the people in our community and how they01:07:14
come out and I just don't want to be at01:07:16
fault for like giving no you sound like01:07:19
him though now you're doing you're all01:07:21
doing this thing where you're like I01:07:22
don't want any responsibility no no I01:07:24
would like I if it happens it happens01:07:26
but I'm not like planning on having kids01:07:28
I mean she'd also adopt if she feels01:07:30
like she needs yeah I feel like I would01:07:31
adopt before I actually advocated01:07:35
hi and she'll fit yeah you would also01:07:38
guys want to adopt like we're having01:07:39
your own like giving birth I don't know01:07:42
like there's so many kids out there but01:07:44
there's a lot of kids but like so then01:07:45
are you gonna adopt someone of your own01:07:47
culture or are you gonna like Branch out01:07:50
I don't know if I were to adopt it we're01:07:53
not adopting oh she's divorcing you01:07:56
actually yeah I told you I'm divorcing01:07:58
you after this I'm taking half your01:08:00
podcast01:08:02
who are you taking01:08:04
who if you're getting half the podcast01:08:05
who do you take with me01:08:08
Eric I'm taking Aaron01:08:11
Eric deserves better01:08:15
okay01:08:16
um Good Times uh just the last thing on01:08:19
the marriage thing and we'll get to uh01:08:20
some of the super chats so I I guess01:08:23
kind of my one of my qualms with01:08:24
marriage is01:08:26
you know I I people's people don't01:08:29
really commit anymore evidenced by well01:08:33
generally speaking obviously people have01:08:35
a healthy01:08:36
marriages that work out and go the01:08:37
distance but uh you know the vows that01:08:40
you say when you get married till death01:08:42
do us part that has to mean something if01:08:47
if your words mean nothing then01:08:50
like for me if I get married if I were01:08:52
to get married that is foreign yeah01:08:55
you're already divorcing me hello you01:08:56
would be part of a Goods change hello I01:08:59
do have a skateboard by the way oh god01:09:01
oh you should see the trucks01:09:04
can you do any tricks on it01:09:07
it's been a minute since I've uh this is01:09:09
why she's divorcing you Brian what hey01:09:11
oh here's a good question do you know01:09:12
where the mall grab is01:09:15
I know what a mall grab is yeah what's a01:09:19
mall grab01:09:24
Tatum you like skater boys and you don't01:09:26
even know these terms a mall grab is01:09:28
when you grab when you're carrying the01:09:30
skateboard you don't grab by the trucks01:09:34
do that posers like you're walking01:09:36
around the mall with your skateboard but01:09:38
you don't skateboard so you grab it by01:09:40
the trucks that's called a mall grab do01:09:42
you know what a ram [ __ ] is01:09:44
he sounds like an upset up yeah01:09:47
but um no the the valves you make when01:09:50
you get married till death do us part to01:09:53
me that has to actually mean something01:09:54
and I you know01:09:56
perhaps I'm uh you're not a bit01:09:58
pessimistic but when I see the divorce01:10:01
rate it makes me take pause and I think01:10:04
look how many of these people that are01:10:06
that are getting married01:10:08
have the best intentions in mind and01:10:10
they love this person and they think I'm01:10:11
going to spend the rest of my life with01:10:12
this person and then one two three years01:10:15
down the road the the marriage01:10:17
uh is done this divorce no they're01:10:21
actually they're still together they had01:10:22
a terrible marriage no they're happily01:10:25
married there is this example he's01:10:26
coming from my parents have a very01:10:28
healthy relationship they're still01:10:30
married actually that's a picture of01:10:31
them right there them two right there01:10:33
that's a great don't you want that yeah01:10:35
don't you want yeah I do but I have to01:10:37
be I guess realistic about that01:10:40
I have to be realistic about the current01:10:43
dating landscape and go to micro how01:10:46
long have you been married I've been01:10:47
married now five years coming up on five01:10:50
years oh it's a [ __ ] show wow no look01:10:52
it's a [ __ ] I missed dating apps like I01:10:55
just I got back together terrible then01:10:57
girlfriend now yeah they seem horrible I01:10:59
so I just missed it and so that would be01:11:01
hard especially if I were a single guy01:11:03
and I were living in dating app culture01:11:05
and I just knew there were always just01:11:08
there there's always going to be some01:11:11
hotter or I don't know what like Checker01:11:15
hotter younger tenderization or whatever01:11:17
like girl right sure but you're you're01:11:19
from here and you're not from here I'm01:11:21
from New York originally you're from New01:11:22
York okay it's even better and you said01:11:24
you've known your wife since you guys01:11:25
are 10 yes yeah so I mean if you've01:11:28
known her since you were 10 you've been01:11:29
single between those times you've seen01:11:32
multiple women you've seen everybody out01:11:34
there you had your time to01:11:38
yeah explore and we basically learned01:11:40
that maybe there's not better and that's01:11:42
why you're with your life but that's01:11:44
kind of like the modern lib thing is01:11:46
you've got to split up and do your own01:11:48
thing and go I don't believe that either01:11:49
yeah I think it was BS I wish there was01:11:52
so much cultural pressure when my wife01:11:55
and I sweet little Elisa when we were in01:11:57
in high school we they said oh you gotta01:11:59
split for college you'd be crazy to date01:12:01
your girlfriend and your high school01:12:02
girlfriend in college and then by the01:12:04
end of college you're like why the hell01:12:05
did we break up that was crazy we should01:12:07
have gotten married at 18 pumped out01:12:09
like a dozen kids gone to move to a farm01:12:11
and grown a big beard yeah I didn't see01:12:13
all that Sam can you push your01:12:14
microphone now closer towards you yeah I01:12:18
don't believe it sorry to cut you off I01:12:19
was talking about how I should have been01:12:20
Amish you know and yeah01:12:23
um ish you know like sort of not fully01:12:25
all the way but something like that yeah01:12:27
I think it would have been since you01:12:28
guys knew each other at 10 18 isn't that01:12:32
insane because that's already eight01:12:33
years it's almost you guys would have01:12:34
known each other for basically half your01:12:36
lives at that point so that's not insane01:12:37
from me I feel like it's insane when I01:12:39
see like 18 to probably 22 year olds01:12:42
getting married when they just they're01:12:44
getting engaged within a year of meeting01:12:46
somebody and it's like I feel I very01:12:49
very strongly about my boyfriend so so01:12:51
strongly but I still know would not be01:12:54
the smartest decision to get engaged six01:12:56
months from now like when you say like01:12:58
the divorce rates are 50 it's like I'm01:13:00
sure there is some people who are01:13:02
blindsided in those relationships but I01:13:04
bet a good part of those relationships01:13:07
that I end in divorce are people who got01:13:08
together who either a already knew it01:13:11
wasn't going to probably work out B got01:13:13
married just because either someone was01:13:14
pregnant or C they were forced into it01:13:17
and they are waiting till marriage or01:13:18
something so they just get married young01:13:20
I feel like a lot of those people both01:13:22
parties going into it kind of already01:13:24
knowing this isn't going to work out how01:13:26
long have you been dating not long at01:13:27
all we've known each other since01:13:28
September we've only been exclusively01:13:30
dating since January so it's been very01:13:32
very very brief but I've never I've been01:13:35
in two two years two and a half year01:13:38
long relationships one one year long01:13:39
relationship and I've never felt this01:13:42
way definitely about anybody before so I01:13:44
know the difference now and that's also01:13:46
why I've said before like some things01:13:47
I've said before have changed like01:13:49
before I thought I need to be single to01:13:50
have fun and vacation or explore things01:13:53
but now I know I don't need that01:13:55
I would rather him be there you know01:13:56
last thing on the marriage thing01:13:58
um kind of the reason why I'm hesitant01:14:00
is because my uh fiance wants to01:14:03
hyphenate our last names uh so that's01:14:06
another issue there um let's let's move01:14:08
on from that um by the way you didn't01:14:10
introduce yourself as wish01:14:12
Ariana Grande from wish or Walmart yeah01:14:16
Walmart yeah whatever you prefer next01:14:18
time we'll get it next time um I forgot01:14:20
so let me see here we had uh Kiara01:14:24
Grande would you guys date01:14:26
so we we have a political commentator on01:14:28
the show and he's part of the daily wire01:14:31
Network and uh which which is a more01:14:33
conservative01:14:34
um company would you guys date a01:14:36
conservative01:14:38
let's start with you01:14:42
yes01:14:43
okay01:14:45
yeah01:14:46
yes sure01:14:49
you don't sound very enthusiastic I01:14:52
don't think that would be a deal breaker01:14:54
for me if I like you if I fall in love01:14:55
with you that's not gonna be something01:14:57
that's going to stop yeah but I mean01:14:58
you're gonna find out they're01:14:59
conservative before you fall in love01:15:01
with them though yeah unless you're just01:15:03
falling in love at first sight or01:15:04
something I mean I feel like that's01:15:05
something that gets brought up before01:15:06
you fall in love01:15:08
yeah I mean so would you even date a01:15:10
conservative to begin with I feel like01:15:12
it's better yeah01:15:14
um probably yes01:15:16
I don't think that would stop me I don't01:15:17
think that's a deal breaker for me I01:15:19
think relationships and still work I've01:15:20
seen a lot of relationships where01:15:22
there's a one conservative and one more01:15:24
liberal person01:15:26
um I think it depends on how01:15:27
conservative they are or like how much01:15:29
they let the politics get like get into01:15:32
their life like how much it affects them01:15:33
what if the guy's super conservative01:15:35
like super duper makes Francisco Franco01:15:39
look like a huge Democrat but I don't01:15:42
think they know who that is or yeah01:15:43
makes life who is that by the way01:15:45
Francisco Franco is a strong man in01:15:48
Spain for many decades oh during World01:15:49
War II or after okay yeah and into yeah01:15:53
um so okay uh you know makes um I don't01:15:56
know makes Trump look like a big lib or01:15:58
something but he's not always talking01:16:00
about his politics he just happens to be01:16:03
very conservative and the dictators and01:16:05
the dictator does he like I mean I feel01:16:07
like if you are like that your actions01:16:09
are gonna be very conservative what do01:16:11
you mean like have a family have hold a01:16:14
steady job or just the way he treats01:16:16
people01:16:19
um I feel like if he's making Donald01:16:21
Trump look like a lip I feel like his01:16:23
interactions with people wouldn't be01:16:24
very it'd be very funny it'd be really01:16:26
Charming I mean it might be funny to01:16:27
watch be very attractive to women yeah01:16:29
probably not I feel like being on too01:16:31
much of any side it's not gonna be no I01:16:35
like don't you think if you stand in the01:16:36
middle of the road you might get hit by01:16:37
a truck01:16:38
I have you ever stood in the middle of a01:16:41
road not in that sense I think you can01:16:43
have01:16:49
me no I'm I am extremely conservative I01:16:52
consider myself very moderate because01:16:53
moderation is a virtue but there's no01:16:55
issue on which I hold up the liberal01:16:57
position see like I would date someone01:16:59
who's conservative but I wouldn't date a01:17:01
trumpet no that's weird yeah whatever01:17:05
would you date01:17:06
someone who I would date I would hope01:17:08
isn't still fetishizing a president who01:17:10
hasn't been in office now for almost who01:17:13
knows how long just like I wouldn't date01:17:15
somebody who had even though I feel like01:17:17
it is a little bit different in a sense01:17:19
because it was the first black president01:17:20
but still I wouldn't want to date01:17:21
somebody who still had Obama flags and01:17:24
propaganda whatever up anywhere I feel01:17:26
like that's weird let's move on we're if01:17:28
it's the next if he has something01:17:29
representing the next01:17:32
um Republican candidate sure he's he's01:17:34
representing who he wants to vote for01:17:35
but somebody who's been out of office to01:17:39
to lie and say there is not an agenda01:17:41
behind what's going on there I think is01:17:43
very naive so no yeah I wouldn't date01:17:46
somebody who's Trump flag still Trump 2001:17:49
20 whatever at this point no but if you01:17:52
are conservative yeah if you want to01:17:54
vote Republican who cares but you say01:17:56
just not he just can't be too01:17:57
conservative like just what she was01:17:59
saying how it's like when you're too far01:18:01
on either spectrum is just very bad but01:18:04
don't you think I mean people who have a01:18:06
coherent view of politics it's one thing01:18:09
is going to lead to another thing right01:18:10
if you're uh let's say you're pro-life01:18:13
you know you don't think that abortion01:18:14
should be allowed that's going to bleed01:18:16
into your thoughts on marriage and01:18:18
divorce and raising children that might01:18:20
even bleed over into your thoughts on01:18:22
taxes and education so it's all going to01:18:24
kind of come together of a piece right01:18:26
and same thing if you're super liberal01:18:28
that's they're all those issues are01:18:29
going to kind of roll off one from the01:18:32
other but I feel like you could still01:18:33
find a good middle ground I mean like I01:18:35
I'm okay with01:18:37
people owning guns but there's certain01:18:39
other things I probably wouldn't be okay01:18:40
with that conservatives are okay okay01:18:42
like I'm not pro-life yeah not yet01:18:47
yeah I will not change my mindless01:18:49
that's what I said but then I got01:18:51
convinced I I just01:18:53
there's no way I'd be convinced to01:18:55
change it I'm out on that yeah no have01:18:57
you ever thought there's something I'll01:18:58
never do and then you did it01:19:01
um I'm sure but like I know for this and01:19:03
I will not change my opinion uh really01:19:05
quickly show of hands who who here would01:19:08
date someone who's pro-life01:19:17
wouldn't date a guy01:19:19
if that guy said I don't want to kill01:19:22
your child oh I would date I think01:19:24
there's still01:19:27
that's very different I think the01:19:29
problem for me is that I own my buddy01:19:31
and like I am I you're my buddies what01:19:35
makes you say you own your body because01:19:37
I have my buddy and I take care of it01:19:39
well you are part your body yeah your01:19:41
body and your part yourself but you01:19:42
don't own that you didn't know01:19:44
let me just interrupt you if you believe01:19:47
that God owns it that it's your belief01:19:48
but it's not mine but you can't bring01:19:50
religion into it if you cannot bring01:19:52
religions01:19:53
there's only one universe and it happens01:19:55
to be true in01:19:57
in my universe it's not true I have my01:19:59
own set of beliefs and in your Universe01:20:01
you could pretend to be a bug with 1701:20:03
arms but Michael you can't bring01:20:05
religion into politics well you have to01:20:07
bring religion I'm no politics I mean01:20:09
you can like take it into a faster but01:20:11
you cannot let it set politics no you01:20:13
have to no because why not so many01:20:15
different religions it's just like you01:20:16
can't cater to one right Catholic you01:20:19
can't cater to just like why not because01:20:22
let me just interrupt you are not just01:20:25
let me let me just interrupt really01:20:26
quick and then I'll let you uh respond01:20:28
so um just one thing01:20:31
this is a hot button political issue01:20:34
Michael's conservative I think you guys01:20:36
probably have a different stance on01:20:37
abortion I'm happy to talk about it but01:20:39
I want everyone to try to keep it01:20:43
people have very strong opinions on this01:20:45
right let's hopefully just keep it uh01:20:47
respectful let's have a debate let's01:20:49
engage in a uh hopefully a fruitful01:20:51
debate or not fruitful debate but uh01:20:53
let's just keep it polite and I I think01:20:57
um Michael is probably prepared to make01:20:59
uh pro-life arguments that are not based01:21:01
in religion01:21:20
because01:21:21
certain things are true and certain01:21:23
things are false so like for instance if01:21:25
I said right now hey is it better to01:21:28
bake a pie for a widow or kick a little01:21:33
baby in the head01:21:35
would you say one of those things is01:21:37
better than the other thing you can01:21:38
compare them01:21:40
content but I'm just asking is01:21:43
you can either bake a pie for old the01:21:46
Widow down the street or you can kick01:21:49
that little baby in the head would you01:21:50
say one of those things is better or01:21:52
worse than the other one yeah yes yeah01:21:54
so if you're gonna make a claim that01:21:56
something is better or worse as a as a01:21:59
moral question then you are now taking01:22:02
recourse to what because that's a01:22:04
religious view so how is me making a01:22:07
claim about like having an abortion in01:22:10
pro-life obviously I feel like if you're01:22:12
having an abortion it's not a good thing01:22:13
like I don't think it's something that01:22:14
should be romanticized I don't think01:22:16
it's like a good thing I feel like it's01:22:17
sad that you even have to go out to that01:22:19
point but it should be there for women01:22:21
it's not a good thing then why no one01:22:23
needs it because there's other things01:22:24
that are not a good thing birth control01:22:26
is not a good thing either and we have01:22:28
it but we need it01:22:30
I'm having sex before marriage is not a01:22:32
good thing for society but we have it01:22:33
right so you're gonna ban it but you01:22:35
just shouldn't drugs are not a good01:22:36
thing but we have it right you also01:22:37
shouldn't do that you're making very01:22:38
good Arguments for things there's so01:22:40
many things01:22:43
I have a Viewpoint and I know you're01:22:44
very passionate about your review I'm01:22:46
very passionate but I'm I think we're01:22:48
going a wrong way about the whole01:22:50
conversation like because you you're01:22:53
saying that's just wrong but yeah we01:22:55
have to talk about how can we prevent01:22:57
that from happening in the first place01:22:59
like what happens to like a 14 year old01:23:01
girl who gets raped for example like how01:23:04
would we prevention how do you prevent01:23:06
rape well how do we talk about people01:23:09
with like mental issues like we have to01:23:12
talk about just better like are you01:23:14
doing something to better yeah well the01:23:16
way the way to prevent rape would be to01:23:18
get tougher on crime and it would be to01:23:20
uh circumscribe certain sexual behaviors01:23:23
right and stop uh I would say probably01:23:25
stop encouraging a hookup culture that01:23:28
makes it a little bit easier so you can01:23:29
do all sorts of things like that and01:23:31
then what do you do for for like a young01:23:33
woman who's already pregnant what do you01:23:34
do you well you know the crime has01:23:37
already happened so if you if she gets01:23:39
an abortion or she doesn't get an01:23:40
abortion that's not going to change the01:23:41
fact for example you can maybe like01:23:43
create a foundation that will help oh01:23:46
yeah there are plenty two like fund the01:23:48
baby yeah crisis pregnancy centers01:23:50
they're great great organizations are01:23:52
there accessible to people yes01:23:54
everywhere well that's good I mean I01:23:57
don't I don't know if it's accessible to01:23:58
like like they totally are okay you tell01:24:01
me where you are I'll get you an organization so you gave me a look while01:24:03
I was over there is it what what's up I01:24:06
was just wondering doing I had to go to01:24:09
the bathroom and I got a nice pack for01:24:11
what neck pain01:24:14
I've got arthritis or something01:24:17
um so01:24:19
you also looked at me Kiko and you01:24:21
wanted to why don't you and Michael have01:24:25
a little debate on this01:24:27
well keep going oh I think we were great01:24:30
I know pretty much everything no no no01:24:32
no what do we disagree on01:24:34
I'm pro-choice through and through I'll01:24:37
never change I will never waver not a01:24:39
single thing I could be seen01:24:42
said to me anything I'm not changing my01:24:45
opinions we might as well not even01:24:46
debate on it because it doesn't seem01:24:47
like he's changing his opinion either01:24:48
but I did change my opinion because I01:24:50
used to be so you're willing to change01:24:52
back your opinion well you know01:24:55
we believe I am so I know I'm not going01:24:58
to change it no we can then if you want01:24:59
to debate if you think so in the face of01:25:01
in the face of compelling evidence I01:25:02
could change your opinion one thing one01:25:04
thing really quick me too usually but01:25:06
then some things you're just setting01:25:07
Stone on and this is one of those is it01:25:08
maybe because you're afraid that you'll01:25:09
find compelling evidence that would01:25:11
convince you otherwise so one thing01:25:12
really I just know it's dumb today are01:25:14
you guys comfortable opinion on having01:25:16
this conversation yeah yeah oh you guys01:25:18
are fine okay yeah oh Beyond comfortable01:25:21
yeah let's have it01:25:23
okay because some people don't like01:25:24
talking about this sort of stuff but01:25:26
it's so long as you guys are uh fine01:25:29
having a little debate I think I think01:25:31
and the the great thing about debate is01:25:33
is that you can kind of it can help you01:25:35
reaffirm your position or perhaps01:25:39
challenge your position I mean I'm01:25:40
always open to new things things and I01:25:43
want to keep learning but sure I'm just01:25:45
saying I'm pretty I agree with Kiko I'm01:25:47
being very strong on this one yeah so01:25:49
then what if we have a debate for the01:25:51
fun of it how's that sound that's what01:25:52
I'm saying fun okay let's do it fun go01:25:54
ahead why is this the one issue that you01:25:56
wouldn't change your mind on01:25:59
because I feel like the research is01:26:00
already done we've already taken away01:26:02
the law put it back we've already seen01:26:04
the negatives and positives from it so01:26:06
why are we repeating history of art01:26:09
we've already done this multiple times01:26:10
now what law01:26:12
when we banned abortion back in what was01:26:14
in 1901:26:16
yeah Roe v Wade Roe v Wade created a01:26:20
constitutional right to abortion yes01:26:22
yes but before then before the abortion01:26:24
was illegal yeah yeah yes and then now01:26:28
we saw because the reason why that01:26:30
happened well there's honestly multiple01:26:32
reasons why some of it does stem in01:26:34
racism as well you mean you mean because01:26:37
most like most black babies in New York01:26:39
are aborted and not born01:26:42
that would be racist right01:26:44
no I mean because the issue was01:26:47
the reason why we're getting back here01:26:49
is because01:26:51
the most people having not the most01:26:53
majority of the highest percentages of01:26:55
people having abortions are01:26:57
African-American women or minority women01:26:59
in general right the majority of black01:27:00
babies in New York City are being killed01:27:02
but the most dangerous place for a black01:27:04
person in New York city is in his01:27:05
mother's womb that's very racist I01:27:07
agreements can we not be calling them01:27:10
babies yeah they're what should I call01:27:12
them fetuses did you know what the word01:27:15
fetus means yeah01:27:17
embryo01:27:18
is that embryo is another term but the01:27:21
word fetus is a Latin word that means01:27:22
Offspring so it means baby isn't like01:27:25
the um I don't know I think it's in01:27:27
Freakonomics that they wrote about the01:27:29
fact that throwing away decreased the01:27:31
crime rate in New York yeah this was an01:27:34
argument that was really compelling to01:27:35
me I actually made this argument to a01:27:36
bioethicist who was she was very proud01:27:40
I wouldn't say she was the top okay but01:27:44
I I made this argument I said well no01:27:46
I'm really in favor of abortion because01:27:48
the Freakonomics book told me that it01:27:50
decreases the crime rate you know if you01:27:52
if you abort these babies and she said01:27:55
cool Michael which of those arguments is01:27:57
not also an argument for killing young01:27:59
black men in the inner cities age 18 to01:28:02
25 and the problem is01:28:05
they have life well the baby is that01:28:07
life they don't feed us no they have01:28:10
life no well no they have life01:28:12
experiences they have no how are you01:28:14
alive if you have conscious memories you01:28:15
have no conscious how are you uh you01:28:18
have no conscience should you be able to01:28:20
kill somebody who's in a coma who's01:28:21
unconscious honestly yeah if I was a01:28:23
vegetable why are we out of here01:28:25
ventilators who are vegetables for years01:28:26
no honestly my true opinion yes they01:28:28
should be dead yeah01:28:30
at some point because people can be in a01:28:32
coma for years and then come out of the01:28:34
coma but you think just kill them anyway01:28:35
okay honestly if you're going to be on a01:28:37
ventilator for sick are you vegan are01:28:39
you vegetarian do you really care that01:28:41
much about I'm talking about human life01:28:42
so so are you going to be a foster01:28:44
behind your conscious we're better than01:28:46
these things no because because man is01:28:48
is the only rational animal so man01:28:51
unlike uh lower animals we have a01:28:53
rational will so what I'm saying yeah01:28:55
because we're more rational we have a01:28:57
high so Consciousness01:28:58
no but the rational soul is not merely01:29:01
the uh expression I just feel like you01:29:04
shouldn't call it pro-life I really01:29:05
think you're pro-life maybe you're Pro01:29:07
even broccoli screams when you pull it01:29:09
from the ground I agree I agree yeah no01:29:12
I mean ultimately the image because01:29:15
ultimately the reason is because man is01:29:16
made in the image and likeness of God01:29:17
right that's why once again it's01:29:19
religion for you that's your main01:29:20
everything ultimately is religious01:29:22
because that's the fun what if I'm not01:29:24
religious yeah01:29:25
everybody's religious because every01:29:28
every well you just admitted that you01:29:30
believe some things are better than01:29:31
other things01:29:34
that's a moral so where does your01:29:37
morality derive from the universe01:29:39
religion to tell me what's good or bad01:29:42
it's Common Sense most of the time01:29:43
what's good or bad we're not sure God01:29:45
telling me where does that Common Sense01:29:47
go like you weren't just you did one I01:29:49
feel like from the time I was able to01:29:51
have any belief I didn't need somebody01:29:53
to tell me it's wrong for me to kill01:29:56
somebody I didn't need somebody to tell01:29:57
me it's wrong if I steal this from01:29:59
somebody and I was an only child too so01:30:00
I didn't need to be taught that that's01:30:02
just something that my brain was like01:30:04
it's like a common sense thing right01:30:06
that's called your moral conscience and01:30:07
because I didn't need God to do that it01:30:09
was just me well you're being a human01:30:11
God gave you your moral conscience and01:30:13
created them01:30:29
you're listening to me right now I01:30:31
listened to speak but I wouldn't listen01:30:33
to anything you do and put it in action01:30:36
my ears work yes right now am I taking01:30:39
it in you say you say abortion is is01:30:42
fine and I say abortion is bad yes how01:30:44
do you know which one of us is right how01:30:46
do you know because humans know nothing01:30:48
really I think I know something well I01:30:50
know but really01:30:51
I think the argument where life begins01:30:54
is useless because I don't think I'm01:30:56
based on that you're not going to change01:30:57
someone else's mind because everybody01:30:58
has strong beliefs I think that's a01:31:01
great point because it doesn't matter01:31:02
when life begins01:31:04
what life means yeah so it means so many01:31:06
different things to people so I just01:31:08
think it's useless to argue over that I01:31:10
think it's better to argue how we can01:31:12
what we can do in the situation because01:31:14
we all agree when life begins I mean by01:31:16
definition it's a concept no we don't so01:31:19
hold on just a second abortion was such01:31:22
a silly issue women's issues with nature01:31:24
slash God oh the idea they can escape01:31:26
consequences and not control every01:31:28
element of sex is the issue ironically01:31:31
women side with a eugenicist that01:31:33
created these schemes and hate them and01:31:35
want them gone01:31:36
dig Bic energy thank you for the uh 20001:31:40
TTS yeah thank you there uh interesting01:31:43
name you have there thank you man um go01:31:45
ahead Kiko you wanted to well because I01:31:47
agree with what you're saying but we01:31:48
said we're debating for fun so that's01:31:49
the reason why I'm doing it because I01:31:50
know whatever you said how do I know I'm01:31:52
right well I mean this is also objective01:31:54
too but like for me like I know I'm01:31:55
right because like every state with the01:31:57
most educated people here like are still01:31:59
you know pro-choice and like the states01:32:01
with like you know not that many01:32:02
educated people usually are the ones01:32:04
that are01:32:23
versus if you grab people from01:32:24
California and you find the most01:32:26
overall I feel like the the majority01:32:29
yeah the majority is going to probably01:32:30
be from California and not from I mean01:32:32
Michael's boosting up the average I01:32:34
think bicycle because it's so small01:32:35
right because one Yale you throw one01:32:37
Yale in a Tennessee01:32:39
I also don't have a ton of uh you know01:32:42
respect for people who have all these01:32:44
credentials I mean my fellow yales01:32:46
believe all sorts of things that are01:32:47
insane I mean they don't know the01:32:48
difference between a man and a woman so01:32:50
I'm not surprised that they can't tell01:32:52
what life is about you know also I feel01:32:54
like I'm just gonna set this from the01:32:56
straight from the start you and Brian01:32:58
don't really get a say in this because01:32:59
you can't have kids oh no uterus no I01:33:02
have two kids no did you birth them did01:33:04
they come out of your vagina no no but I01:33:07
did I did help to make them and the01:33:09
other even if I didn't have kids the01:33:10
other reason I would have some say over01:33:11
this is because I have rational01:33:13
faculties and I can I can come to01:33:16
conclusions about things that don't01:33:17
involve me for instance if I were an01:33:19
oncologist I wouldn't necessarily need01:33:21
to have cancer to know something about01:33:23
it you can have like you can you can01:33:25
have a say but you're not gonna have the01:33:26
final say it's not your it's not your01:33:28
choice it's not your boss why would it01:33:29
not be I'm the head of my household well01:33:32
I think Buddy you tell her when and what01:33:34
to do every move to make you tell like01:33:36
not every move I've got quite a lot of01:33:38
say over it yeah can I say oh what she's01:33:40
trying to say is that why do we restrict01:33:43
women and tell them what to do if we01:33:45
have to restrict the man because they're01:33:47
the ones who don't take the01:33:48
responsibility for what they have done01:33:50
you don't know how many guys invited me01:33:53
over the house on the first date it is01:33:55
disgusting to say every time I know but01:33:57
it's it's happening and I have to like I01:34:00
have to say no but like we are not01:34:02
educating and saying to the man that01:34:04
they should behave properly while we are01:34:06
shaving women for the fact that they01:34:09
want to have a choice and what to do01:34:10
with their bodies when the the guys and01:34:13
the man who they whose attraction01:34:15
they're trying to get you know like the01:34:17
women are having sex with the guys01:34:19
because that's the only way the only01:34:21
thing they can give guys like right now01:34:24
be maybe the university doesn't that01:34:26
you're so right about that but doesn't01:34:27
that tell you that those guys are just01:34:29
dirt bags and you should go but there01:34:31
are so many of them so what should I do01:34:32
then yeah01:34:38
I feel like abortions are not good01:34:41
they're bad but I feel like they're01:34:43
needed in some scenarios I don't think01:34:45
like pro-choice means all girls should01:34:47
be having sex like and having abortions01:34:49
unprotected and just like that should be01:34:51
planned and B is having an abortion but01:34:53
I feel like there are instances where01:34:55
like you don't realize that you're01:34:57
pregnant or just something goes wrong I01:34:59
feel like it shouldn't be on like01:35:01
legal terms it like it's way more about01:35:04
the situation but you need a law either01:35:06
it's legal or resilient but yeah but if01:35:08
it's legal like that doesn't mean01:35:10
everyone's gonna get an abortion why do01:35:12
you think it's bad because I get the pro01:35:14
abortion argument which is the baby's01:35:16
not really a baby it's not life it's not01:35:18
human forget about it it's just like I01:35:20
think I think it's bad because it's a01:35:21
sad thing to go through period yeah like01:35:23
it's amazing why is it sad though01:35:26
because it's like you have to do01:35:27
something because I don't think people01:35:29
really are going in there and being like01:35:30
I want to kill this fetus like it's not01:35:31
being like No One's Gonna Be Like I'm01:35:33
gonna kill this yes it's life no one01:35:35
still kill life claiming period but some01:35:38
for some people it has to happen I know01:35:40
this girl who's a friend of mine and she01:35:43
didn't know she was pregnant and she was01:35:44
on birth control and she found out she01:35:46
was five months pregnant and she was01:35:47
like I cannot have this kid like there's01:35:49
no way I'm in high school this girl01:35:51
couldn't do it why couldn't she just01:35:52
have the kid and give him give the kid01:35:54
up for adoption01:35:56
changes your life you say that like it's01:35:59
the easiest thing ever like just you're01:36:01
talking about abortion like that's the01:36:02
easiest it's not it's not yeah but their01:36:04
life changes so much more after that01:36:11
otherwise you know you have a kid in the01:36:13
ground because you killed the kid01:36:16
because they're not big enough to be01:36:17
buried they're not gonna they would be01:36:19
disintegrated Within01:36:35
I was just wondering if it's like after01:36:38
three months or after no from the01:36:40
beginning I don't think you know I don't01:36:42
think it makes sense to just pick an01:36:43
arbitrary date and say okay that's why01:36:45
it's arbitrary though because it's it's01:36:47
supposed to be by each Case by case01:36:49
because we can't tell when every embryo01:36:52
is going to be viable outside01:36:54
from the beginning that's what that's01:36:56
not what about like you think but what01:36:57
we're saying is why it's Case by case is01:36:59
because we don't want to say oh we're01:37:02
gonna ban um after 20 weeks you can't01:37:04
when some babies might be viable at age01:37:07
but I don't care when it's so that's can01:37:09
I finish my statement01:37:10
go ahead standard that I don't think01:37:13
Kiko Hugo than Michael didn't I forgot01:37:15
it I thought the bathroom though01:37:17
uh okay um as someone was writing a01:37:20
message we'll get to it later Michael01:37:22
did you ever respond yes well just in01:37:23
yeah in response to that point because01:37:25
Kiko is focusing on well at what point01:37:27
is the baby viable to live outside the01:37:29
mother's room but I that is that isn't01:37:31
the question that matters the question01:37:33
that matters is01:37:34
when is this thing a human when is this01:37:36
thing alive and the only answer to that01:37:39
question just by definition is at the01:37:41
moment of conception because conception01:37:42
just means the beginning of Life I agree01:37:45
with you what it's just sad scenarios01:37:47
like if a kid is born to like you know01:37:50
drug addicted parents well they could01:37:51
give the baby up for adoption yeah but I01:37:53
mean you really think they're gonna make01:37:54
that smart choice if they're drug01:37:55
addicted parents yeah I don't think01:37:57
there's like enough structure so you're01:38:00
saying any life is better than the bad01:38:02
life yeah I'm saying life is better than01:38:04
me I agree with you all life is better I01:38:07
guess another argument is like what if a01:38:09
girl was young enough right and she's so01:38:11
desperate that she's gonna go to01:38:13
somewhere else and or do it herself or01:38:16
something well you know it's interesting01:38:17
because you're saying that illegal01:38:19
abortions would be more dangerous but01:38:21
they're not actually this is the weird01:38:22
thing in the year before Roe v Wade was01:38:24
a loud abortion everywhere do you know01:38:27
how many women died from illegal back01:38:29
alley abortions in America01:38:32
39. really and 24 women died from legal01:38:35
abortion so you're pro-illegal abortion01:38:37
no I'm anti-all abortion but when you01:38:39
look at when you look at the number of01:38:41
states where it was legal01:38:42
legal abortions illegal abortions were01:38:44
roughly01:38:47
do you think like people that01:38:50
did it dangerously like would it be01:38:53
recorded they would frequently have to01:38:55
well it's women who die for me01:38:57
let's have Tatum come out oh no I like01:39:00
okay if you remember it let me know guys01:39:02
I feel like abortions are gonna happen01:39:04
either way like she was saying like01:39:06
prostitution it's it's gonna happen01:39:07
either way and I feel like it's better01:39:09
if we have a safe way for these women to01:39:11
get abortions instead of knowing it's01:39:13
gonna happen and just like putting a01:39:14
blind eye towards it and but but if01:39:17
there are if there's a law against it01:39:19
they're going to be far fewer abortions01:39:20
I think the law should be necessarily no01:39:23
I was so black and white in this01:39:26
yeah01:39:27
there aren't going to be fewer abortions01:39:29
if you make it illegal then why not just01:39:30
make it illegal if it's not going to01:39:32
matter well I think like for example you01:39:34
know going to a doctor and like the01:39:36
doctor prescribes drugs so freely these01:39:38
days like four men you know it's kind of01:39:40
the same thing with the boy I think uh01:39:42
if someone's gonna go get an abortion it01:39:44
should be much more like the doctor01:39:46
should be part of the whole yes 100 like01:39:49
try to deter the person and like we'll01:39:51
help and how to deter it yeah yeah like01:39:54
making it so black and white it's just01:39:56
but it just seems to me you all have01:39:58
well I think all of you have the moral01:40:00
intuition that it's wrong because01:40:01
because especially because you're women01:40:03
and you just don't want to kill your01:40:04
children but so you know that it's wrong01:40:06
so then why not follow that to its01:40:08
logical conclusion and say we shouldn't01:40:10
do it I feel like if it's just01:40:13
um illegal right then women will have01:40:15
less help with also what she was saying01:40:17
is this whole situation is not so black01:40:19
and white it's not just it's wrong01:40:20
there's like other things that go way01:40:22
into it that you have to take into part01:40:24
that make a deciding factor on whether01:40:27
or not a woman wants an abortion it's01:40:28
not just like oh I'm doing this thing01:40:30
that's wrong it's like I'm doing this01:40:31
thing but I could like there's other01:40:32
parts of it that's way more wrong too so01:40:35
what do you what what let's say a girl01:40:37
gets raped do you really think she wants01:40:39
to have that reminder of her having a01:40:40
child but she could give the child up01:40:42
for adoption you keep saying I would not01:40:44
want to go through pregnancy you're01:40:46
going through an entire pregnancy where01:40:48
your body's changing your body's gonna01:40:49
be changing changed forever but what if01:40:51
you give birth to someone who is like01:40:53
the next I don't know01:40:56
yeah of course the next what or even if01:40:58
not just a regular person what's it01:41:00
likely okay what about the next Hitler01:41:01
and then they're like01:41:03
but there are there are about 36 couples01:41:06
want to adopt for every newborn baby put01:41:08
up for adoption in the U.S so there01:41:09
would be no shortage of a couple to01:41:11
adopt the business it'll be hard to01:41:12
adopt in the U.S that's right that's why01:41:14
because there are so many couples who01:41:15
want to adopt every newborn baby01:41:17
expensive yeah so either way it's01:41:20
changing that girl's life forever the01:41:22
girl's life's already changed she's01:41:23
crazy01:41:30
it's different because when you see it01:41:33
becomes real when you don't see it it's01:41:34
not real it doesn't well when you don't01:41:36
see it it doesn't seem no I've known01:41:38
people that had abortion affects them01:41:41
how would you even know as a man if it's01:41:44
gonna be a detrimental change to This01:41:46
Woman's life how would you well because01:41:47
I you don't know I have children and I01:41:49
know women carrying a child I know01:41:51
plenty of women who've had babies and I01:41:52
know plenty of women who've had01:41:53
abortions and I have seen that I do so I01:41:56
know and I know and you're telling me01:41:57
the abortions have not affected if my01:41:59
mom hadn't had the abortion she had I01:42:01
wouldn't be01:42:04
part of the reason01:42:06
you defy your mother's abortions01:42:09
I was pro-choice before that before your01:42:12
mother had an appointment before she I01:42:14
found out01:42:16
you were obviously raised in an01:42:17
environment that's pro-abortion so you01:42:20
know certainly your views are going to01:42:21
be colorful no not necessarily my dad's01:42:23
not pro abortion my mom's not01:42:24
pro-abortion and I'm so pro-abortion01:42:26
there's like certain I don't think like01:42:29
we said there's middle grounds on things01:42:31
that we take but no this this is not a01:42:32
real brand you're just saying I'm01:42:33
pro-abortion I think a lot of them01:42:36
abortion yeah yeah the government01:42:38
telling them I think a lot of a lot of01:42:40
it with women is that they don't like01:42:41
the fact that it's the government that's01:42:43
dictating it but the government dictates01:42:45
all these important I know but I think01:42:47
it's just and I don't like dictate you01:42:49
don't like that there are laws against01:42:50
burglary and like no but they don't try01:42:53
to dictate like my body and time and01:42:54
tell me what to do with it do you think01:42:55
there should be laws against heroin like01:42:57
using heroin that's a law against01:43:00
against you using your body as you like01:43:03
so people still do heroin right but far01:43:07
fewer people but then it's detrimental01:43:08
to your body that's like a drug that's01:43:10
gonna ruin you having an abortion is01:43:13
Gonna Save A Lot of women's life no save01:43:16
a lot of women's lives oh it doesn't it01:43:17
doesn't it there is no uh condition in01:43:20
which a woman needs an abortion so how01:43:22
does it ruin your child if that child01:43:24
has no consciousness never existed never01:43:27
started01:43:31
a memory yeah01:43:36
his eyes never even had like most time01:43:38
never even had01:43:40
anything yeah like how how is that01:43:42
ruining someone's life because the child01:43:45
is deprived of the chance to grow up I01:43:47
don't think we can talk I don't think01:43:48
the child cares about itself when I01:43:50
never even yeah a person can be deprived01:43:53
of something without being conscious of01:43:54
it like in the case of killing someone01:43:55
in a coma so so like right now I'm being01:43:58
deprived of being01:43:59
a billionaire so my life is no because01:44:02
because you're you're not entitled to be01:44:04
a billionaire you don't have a right01:44:05
you're not you're not entitled really to01:44:07
life either you do if in fact if you01:44:09
have any rights at all you must01:44:10
necessarily they thought our Health Care01:44:12
system and everything that's going on01:44:13
technically you don't have entitlement01:44:14
to life because the simple things we01:44:16
need to live is so expensive that most01:44:18
people can't even afford it here so how01:44:20
is that an entitlement to life we're all01:44:22
living just fine01:44:23
with the whole population you think01:44:25
we're all living just fine yeah I think01:44:26
we're living01:44:27
how do you define consciousness like01:44:30
what is consciousness to you when you01:44:31
have like do we know what Consciousness01:44:33
I would say you're conscious01:44:36
like because some people believe that01:44:38
because I don't use this exists in the01:44:40
universe right yeah that's a horrible we01:44:42
think I don't really because I don't01:44:43
want from my thing I don't say oh it's01:44:45
wrong once they're conscious my whole01:44:47
thing is once they're viable on their01:44:49
own and I'm not talking about01:44:50
because if they they are they are a01:44:52
parasite at that point I'm not saying01:44:54
like they are viable in the point like01:44:56
they have to be born and like can just01:44:57
walking be on their own but if they are01:45:00
born and can't be on a ventilator or01:45:02
something and a machine can't even keep01:45:04
them alive yeah they they are just a01:45:06
parasite at that point I mean they're a01:45:08
creature living in our body even had a01:45:10
different name we would have killed it01:45:11
and gotten rid of it just like if it was01:45:13
a pregnancy that was killing our body we01:45:16
would get rid of it because right now01:45:17
it's a parasite that's hurting the body01:45:18
the difference between a parasite though01:45:20
and what you're describing is that what01:45:22
you're describing is your child it's01:45:24
human it's not a parasite it's a human01:45:26
being is it really though at that point01:45:27
yeah yeah I don't that's why we disagree01:45:29
no well it's not just a matter of01:45:31
disagreement DNA and for you are you um01:45:34
it doesn't though01:45:36
do you like the death like are you Pro01:45:38
death penalty yes I'm very proud so how01:45:41
are you saying that everyone has a right01:45:42
to live if you're broke death penalty01:45:44
well because the Civil Authority the01:45:45
Civil Authority has the right to exactly01:45:47
I I really a whole topic on in debate01:45:52
class because if you're religious right01:45:54
yeah so how are you probe that penalty01:45:57
if you are not going because the because01:45:59
uh whosoever sheds the blood of Man by01:46:02
man shall his blood be shared because01:46:04
man is made in the image and likeness of01:46:05
God but who is who is to decide when to01:46:08
take that the Civil Authority which does01:46:10
not bear The Sword in vain but who is01:46:12
the who is to decide who that civil01:46:14
Authority is well there are different01:46:16
forms of civil Authority there's01:46:17
monarchy oligarchy and democracy and01:46:19
differences at different times well no01:46:21
God does in his forwarding Providence uh01:46:24
uh permits civil Authority and it01:46:26
entrusts the enactment of justice01:46:29
but you said that my body belongs to the01:46:31
God01:46:32
your body belongs to God as does your01:46:35
soul I feel like what but then religion01:46:37
to it I feel like there's really no01:46:38
argument because well here's why I mean01:46:40
I'll just do it like really quickly as01:46:41
to why religion has to come into it is01:46:43
because all of our political ideas rest01:46:45
on as we have discussed ideas of Applied01:46:48
morality right and what's bad and01:46:50
morality rests on a basis of01:46:52
epistemology which is how we can know01:46:54
anything at all and epistemology rests01:46:56
on a basis of anthropology which is the01:46:58
question of what is human nature what is01:47:00
a human even to know anything and01:47:01
anthropology rests on a basis of01:47:03
ontology which is what does it mean to01:47:06
be and then ontology rests on a basis of01:47:08
theology which is what is the fundament01:47:10
of reality the the the uh okay so you're01:47:15
saying it all goes back to religion but01:47:16
I'm saying you can't go back to one01:47:18
religion because there's multiple01:47:20
religion is a habit of of justice that01:47:22
renders to God what he is do that's what01:47:25
that means yeah we don't even understand01:47:26
what that I think we'll live in a video01:47:27
game yeah a video game it might be a01:47:31
decent metaphor so I I have a question01:47:33
for you Michael01:47:34
um if you had to steal man the uh01:47:38
pro-choice side yeah familiar with I01:47:41
assume you're familiar with the term01:47:42
steel man01:47:43
um what what are some of the what is or01:47:45
what are some of the strongest arguments01:47:47
that you hear from people people who are01:47:49
pro-choice the strongest argument for01:47:53
abortion would be that01:47:57
there's no such thing as God I guess01:48:00
destroyed me because in order for01:48:02
abortion to be01:48:04
even remotely acceptable01:48:07
there would we would just have to be01:48:10
stuff we just have to be matter right01:48:12
there wouldn't be good or bad or right01:48:13
or wrong01:48:15
because I honestly I do according to01:48:17
physics metaphysics were also a soul01:48:19
yeah but I believe in physics more than01:48:21
metaphysics well the two go together but01:48:24
then the way they can coexist together01:48:26
if you're saying they're different no01:48:28
different things we're all different01:48:29
people and yet we co-exist together01:48:32
but then you're saying that we have like01:48:35
so you know01:48:36
I should not believe in God for me to01:48:38
not believe in pro-life01:48:40
well I mean there are I could make01:48:42
plenty of secular Arguments for anything01:48:43
you want it's just ultimately ultimately01:48:45
it does come down to God because01:48:46
everything comes down to God ultimately01:48:48
so what would be if if we remove01:48:51
religion if we remove religion from it01:48:55
what what is the strongest argument you01:48:57
hear from someone who's pro-choice is it01:48:59
a bodily autonomy argument or is that01:49:01
not particularly compelling I mean I01:49:03
think they're all really pretty silly01:49:05
arguments the strongest argument I could01:49:07
imagine is that is that we live in a01:49:10
materialist world so all of the01:49:14
metaphysical things that we pretend to01:49:17
care about or we think that we care01:49:18
about you know our loves our hopes our01:49:19
dreams our Joys our emotions that's all01:49:21
just fake it's all a trick played by01:49:24
chemicals firing off in our brains and01:49:25
we're actually just bags of Flesh and01:49:28
we're eventually going to die and take a01:49:30
dirt nap and turn to worm food and01:49:32
that's all that there is just Oblivion01:49:33
which which can be uh compelling in the01:49:35
modern world yeah no I mean and that's01:49:37
how we that's very often how we treat01:49:39
ourselves though01:49:40
actually the way that we behave the way01:49:42
that you're all talking you don't really01:49:44
believe that because you're saying01:49:45
something well you don't want to believe01:49:46
that because you don't want to believe01:49:47
that because I feel like people do want01:49:49
to believe that because they want to01:49:50
live without conscience01:49:51
if we all believed that we would all01:49:53
lived a very sad and like mopey life and01:49:56
like not really caring about anything01:49:57
and I feel like people want to believe01:49:58
that so they have reason and purpose and01:50:00
something for them to do with their life01:50:02
and so that they're just not [ __ ] on01:50:03
themselves all day long no well what you01:50:06
would if I didn't believe in God01:50:08
which I didn't for a while I would do01:50:10
what I did then which is just be very01:50:11
hedonistic I would party every time I01:50:14
would you disagree I don't believe in01:50:15
God but I'm not hedonistic why not01:50:18
because I don't care for me the01:50:19
short-term pleasure doesn't have any uh01:50:22
like any good in it I pursue long-term01:50:25
pleasure I pursue the long-term01:50:27
um achievements goals01:50:30
um ideas and I know a lot of people who01:50:32
are religious who do are do want01:50:35
short-term pleasure very well yeah it's01:50:37
called sin and Temptation that's true01:50:38
but but you know so you're interested in01:50:41
long-term goals yeah but why because in01:50:43
the grand scheme of things in the grand01:50:44
scheme of things that's still short term01:50:46
but by the perspective of Eternity right01:50:49
the scientists01:50:50
my life my life that's what long-term is01:50:53
so that's a blip that's nothing I care01:50:55
as long as like I can think my01:50:57
Consciousness is here that's what I care01:50:59
about I don't care what's going to be01:51:00
like there after whatever and what's01:51:02
been before me what matters right now is01:51:04
like what my conscience can take and my01:51:06
conscience can only take what is01:51:07
happening right now right here it cannot01:51:09
take the yesterday anymore it cannot01:51:11
take the future anymore you can only01:51:12
take right now and right now I believe01:51:14
that01:51:15
I'm right now I'm pursuing my my you01:51:18
know live dreams that are not01:51:21
um necessarily01:51:22
um like short-term pleasure like I'm not01:51:25
like I don't know I'm I'm going for01:51:27
Masters let's say it's not something01:51:28
very appealing like it's not that I'm01:51:30
gonna go through a party after the show01:51:33
but like it's still um it has more value01:51:35
to me than something hedonistic as you01:51:37
were saying01:51:40
it's good it's I'm I'm stumped because01:51:43
it's good that you're doing that I just01:51:45
don't think it makes sense that you're01:51:46
doing that if there's nothing higher01:51:48
well because01:52:06
for me party is not fun I don't derive01:52:09
fun in that I don't know I'm not giving01:52:11
up short-term pleasures of different01:52:12
Pleasures yeah okay okay that makes01:52:14
sense did you have a final thought on01:52:17
this I have one more question for you01:52:18
Michael related to this and then we'll01:52:19
move on to a different topic oh I mean01:52:21
one thing he said was if I even remember01:52:24
my full point but you started saying01:52:25
like the only argument against01:52:28
um pro-life is like there's no God or01:52:30
whatever and I just think01:52:32
yeah maybe that's what01:52:34
you know highly Catholic people think01:52:37
but I feel like for most pro-choice01:52:38
people is we just put higher01:52:42
higher importance over the living woman01:52:45
over the with embryo inside that's not01:52:49
what I mean we put we put more01:52:51
importance over present the present01:52:53
woman who's living who has her life01:52:55
already established and what can change01:52:56
and giving her the choice because only01:52:58
that woman knows how that01:53:01
whatever is inside of her will affect01:53:03
her so it's giving her that choice01:53:05
instead of forcing her to have01:53:07
something that has no establishment that01:53:09
nobody's gonna miss except for maybe her01:53:11
the only one who's gonna feel the most01:53:12
pain is the person having the abortion01:53:14
yeah01:53:26
depends also physically it would depend01:53:29
on when you had the abortion but but the01:53:30
reason that I don't find that very01:53:32
compelling is because I agree you're01:53:33
right that's what the modern kind of01:53:35
liberal Pro abortion people say but it01:53:38
doesn't make sense even by the liberal01:53:40
premises because the the idea of modern01:53:42
liberalism is that you have certain01:53:44
rights and we call these human rights we01:53:45
call them natural rights and so the01:53:47
basic ones that our country is sort of01:53:48
founded on is life liberty and the01:53:50
pursuit of happiness but the problem01:53:52
with that is the you're saying that you01:53:55
would prioritize the Liberty in a01:53:57
certain sense of the mother of pursuit01:53:58
of happiness because her happiness is01:54:00
going to be so over the life of the01:54:02
family it's her life it's her Liberty01:54:04
and it's her Pursuit it's already in01:54:06
America because actually that thing is01:54:07
not even we don't even know where that01:54:08
thing is going to be born it could be01:54:09
born anywhere is that that's life01:54:10
Liberty01:54:11
University it could be born in any01:54:15
country any01:54:20
Life's a mystery isn't it but but the01:54:23
reason that's not compelling is because01:54:25
you're saying that these01:54:26
these secondary rights like Liberty and01:54:28
pursuit of happiness and I don't know01:54:29
fajitas on Saturday that these these are01:54:32
all Trump the fetuses the baby's right01:54:34
to life but that can't be the case01:54:35
because those other rights rely upon the01:54:38
right to life that the right to life is01:54:40
not one right among many but it's the01:54:41
basic fundamental right without which01:54:43
none of the others can exist01:54:45
Tatum you wanted to go go ahead you had01:54:48
something I just feel like abortion01:54:49
should not be based off of like01:54:52
like you're saying it was like it's not01:54:53
liberal ideology and stuff that like01:54:56
yeah I'm not a liberal either so I I01:54:58
don't really care you know I just feel01:54:59
like it's more about experience like the01:55:04
personal experience the concept you're01:55:06
going through yeah context you can't do01:55:08
a house to generalization and call it an01:55:10
a sound argument but do you you don't01:55:12
you don't make your moral decisions just01:55:14
based on how you're feeling in the01:55:16
morning you don't think that would be a01:55:17
sound wave yeah01:55:19
abortions are thought through yeah but01:55:21
but yeah so that's different than what01:55:23
you just said though which is it can't01:55:24
be just this rigid you know ideological01:55:26
thinking it's got to be more based on01:55:28
what you're feeling no it can't be so01:55:29
black and white yeah there's way more01:55:32
put into it it's not situation good and01:55:34
bad thing it's there's a lot I think the01:55:37
only black and white is we probably01:55:38
shouldn't talk about abortion and death01:55:40
penalty in the same sentence why not I01:55:42
don't see there's any contradiction no I01:55:44
agree with you it's just that you know I01:55:46
agree with you like death penalty is01:55:48
just you know people already to be01:55:51
sentenced to that people committed well01:55:53
apparently everyone has their rights01:55:55
you know there was a case where it was01:55:58
wrongfully you know someone was01:56:00
wrongfully accused oh yeah so it's just01:56:02
yeah I mean um so that's why like I01:56:04
don't know but that doesn't mean we get01:56:05
rid of the Criminal Justice System no I01:56:07
totally agree with you it's just like01:56:09
you know a child is innocent and then01:56:10
you talk about death penalty not you I01:56:12
just yeah no of course well that's true01:56:15
if you sentence a guy to 50 years in01:56:16
prison you know that's a shame too small01:56:18
that we talked about like an innocent01:56:20
child and then a desk people get things01:56:23
wrong yeah people I just bring up the01:56:24
death penalty because you're over here01:56:26
talking about how everyone has the right01:56:28
to life but now you're dictating whether01:56:29
or not someone can have life no I'm01:56:32
saying that the Civil Authority has the01:56:33
right and the responsibility to enact01:56:35
Justice not God anymore apparently yeah01:56:36
well well the Civil Authority governs01:56:38
the Affairs on Earth but then you're01:56:39
saying God has and like decides all of01:56:42
that so why didn't the god decide that I01:56:44
don't know Vladimir Putin is not the01:56:45
best person on the planet and okay it's01:56:48
a fallen world and sin and death pervade01:56:50
the world because Adam so how can I then01:56:52
trust somebody and trust that somebody01:56:54
will make a decision if that decision is01:56:56
inconclusive and different uh like at01:56:59
address the Civil Authority yeah even01:57:01
it's Authority or God like how do you if01:57:04
it's so the only person that can can01:57:06
have a trust in is only myself and my01:57:08
own moral whatever that is yourself have01:57:10
you made mistakes are you a perfect01:57:12
person not even close you can't trust01:57:13
yourself so why do we trust you why do01:57:15
we trust the Civil Authority why do we01:57:17
trust them if we can't trust ourselves01:57:18
well because people I mean I'm not01:57:20
necessarily telling you to trust me01:57:22
though I like to think that I've in some01:57:23
way so why do we trust the silver01:57:25
Authority then like why because because01:57:27
exactly they're still people because01:57:29
people practice varying degrees of01:57:31
virtue advice both of which are habits01:57:33
and so the more you practice them the01:57:34
easier they become though it's a Fallen01:57:36
World so we all still make mistakes and01:57:37
so what we want is to in this country01:57:40
elect leaders who are virtuous and who01:57:42
are wise and who are prudent and just01:57:44
like you I just want to ask I thought01:57:47
you were volunteering to be a leader oh01:57:48
no but um based on all your beliefs yeah01:57:50
I'm curious so we're moving towards the01:57:52
future where artificial intelligence is01:57:54
going to be so prevalent right oh this01:57:56
is where well this is kind of where I01:57:58
think I was going Tatum did you have01:57:59
something really quick that you wanted01:58:00
to say okay by the way guys there's 801:58:03
000 people watching right now01:58:06
drop a like and uh you know the chat is01:58:09
on fire oh my God you guys are crazy01:58:11
wait how many how many views do you01:58:13
usually get like live01:58:14
uh we well it's been steadily going up01:58:18
but normally we get like two or three01:58:20
thousand concurrents so we've almost01:58:22
like we've tripled so we brought up01:58:25
abortion they're all up here it could be01:58:27
that it could be in any case um so01:58:30
you're you're about to talk about uh01:58:31
artificial intent were you gonna bring01:58:33
up artificial wombs is that where you01:58:35
were going yeah like the excellent but I01:58:37
was gonna ask you first and I would love01:58:40
to cover that topic as well but so since01:58:42
we're moving towards that and at some01:58:44
point I'm sure there's gonna be not even01:58:46
some sum of government but this the01:58:49
social justice system that's based on AI01:58:51
that AI is going to scan things and01:58:54
um So based on maybe hold on just a01:58:57
second underscore one two five seven01:59:00
eight dab d241 wow01:59:04
equal rights key the workforce twice the01:59:07
workers and cut income in half basic01:59:09
supply and demand core funding abortion01:59:12
get their workers back for any money01:59:13
instead of costing maternity leave01:59:15
avoiding pregnancy leaves you serving01:59:18
Masters that hate and let you01:59:20
um it's just true so true great Point01:59:23
yeah uh so01:59:25
just because we're we don't have a ton01:59:28
of time to continue on this specific01:59:29
subject I do want to move it on just and01:59:33
you know with the whole artificial01:59:34
intelligence thing01:59:35
um Michael what do you think about this01:59:37
as perhaps a potential middle ground or01:59:40
compromise between the pro-life and the01:59:43
pro-choice side and obviously this could01:59:45
be decades or even centuries in the01:59:47
future01:59:48
um the development of an artificial womb01:59:49
what if we saw both sides come together01:59:52
and say hey we're going to put all our01:59:53
lobbying money all our Outreach money01:59:55
basically all the money that's thrown at01:59:58
this issue from both sides and say we're01:59:59
gonna have a joint research fund where02:00:01
we're going to research an artificial02:00:03
womb that way a woman could uh if she02:00:06
was so inclined she could end the02:00:08
pregnancy however the life could02:00:09
continue in an artificial womb do you02:00:12
think that that could be a potential02:00:13
compromise it's a bit of a futurist02:00:16
you're saying an artificial womb to be02:00:18
used in the case that a woman tries to02:00:21
have an abortion you say okay you're02:00:22
going to be funneled into this02:00:23
artificial womb are you saying for02:00:24
everybody02:00:25
well if if a woman a woman could still02:00:28
have a normal pregnancy through with it02:00:31
of course but uh in the event that for02:00:33
example she wanted to terminate the02:00:35
pregnancy02:00:37
um just in the same way how it is if it02:00:40
were a sort of medical device to save a02:00:42
baby I guess I'd be for it but already02:00:44
there but it's still babies yeah well02:00:46
they're all sorts of it's a concept but02:00:48
it's basically going to be in the future02:00:51
but the fear is that women just start02:00:53
using it and that would be very bad02:00:55
because it would establish the02:00:57
domination of Technology over the origin02:00:59
and Destiny which is super creepy what02:01:01
about in vitro and Echo they're very bad02:01:04
no no bueno02:01:07
that's not good it's not good because02:01:09
maybe for everybody because a baby has a02:01:11
right to uh be born and to be conceived02:01:14
through the conjugal activist parents02:01:16
who are joined together in perpetuity in02:01:18
the in in matrimony and furthermore02:01:21
there's a danger with something like IVF02:01:22
or all the rest of it of establishing02:01:24
the dominance of either the state or big02:01:28
business maybe even worse or technology02:01:30
broadly over as I previously said the02:01:32
origin and Destiny of human life which02:01:34
is super creepy do you think that I even02:01:36
like Elon Musk but it's a losing battle02:01:38
I feel like because it's moving towards02:01:40
that anyway like we're moving02:01:44
you know the the atomic bomb was02:01:46
invented what 70 80 years ago and we02:01:48
everybody thought that that was going to02:01:51
lead to constant atomic war going to02:01:52
blow the world up we've only seen the02:01:54
bombs used twice well because it doesn't02:01:56
it doesn't really benefit Humanity if02:01:59
this would benefit I mean people would02:02:01
feel like it would benefit their life so02:02:03
the atomic bomb benefits belligerence02:02:05
yeah but come on nobody wants to like02:02:07
blow something like blow the planet up02:02:09
and people know that there are people02:02:11
who want that yeah yeah but we'll know02:02:12
that it would end all life so if there's02:02:15
a artificial womb a lot of people would02:02:18
feel the benefit so I feel like02:02:20
um a large percentage of the world would02:02:22
push towards that so it would win out02:02:24
there are all sorts of I mean one02:02:26
tactical nuclear weapons would not02:02:27
destroy the world but let's hope but but02:02:30
uh there are plenty of scientific02:02:32
advancements that we curtail we could02:02:34
clone people I I think pretty simply02:02:36
it's not successful yeah well it's it's02:02:39
illegal in most places02:02:40
it's been for a long time like for 2002:02:43
years already so nothing but we don't do02:02:45
it because it raises but okay so what02:02:47
about the issue like for example you02:02:49
know the whole genetic testing and then02:02:51
how you can edit genes yeah well they're02:02:54
that but what if you can edit out like a02:02:56
really crippling disease how would you02:02:59
feel about that yeah well if you're02:03:01
talking about treatments in the womb I02:03:03
could see a strong argument for that you02:03:04
have a little you have surgeries in the02:03:06
womb things like that if you're talking02:03:07
about rewriting the code of life that02:03:10
seems one to use a very modern term very02:03:13
ableist you know that you're trying to02:03:15
write out I like crispr technology has02:03:16
been already around for so long like I02:03:18
know it's not morally yet accepted but02:03:21
right if we keep going into that02:03:22
direction because what's the problem02:03:23
with it morally I agree with I feel like02:03:26
that's a very bad enhancement for02:03:28
society I think it would be taken02:03:30
advantage of I feel like people would02:03:31
use it the wrong way and I I don't think02:03:34
that's good that we're changing people's02:03:37
genetic code but you can also change it02:03:39
to prevent cancer and all of the bad02:03:41
diseases yeah but what difference does02:03:43
it mean the thing about like you're02:03:45
playing God like you're like you're02:03:47
you're like you're saying that so the02:03:49
person should die from cancer then so no02:03:51
more technological advances02:03:54
right and this is wrong and treat things02:03:58
differently and say you are The God Who02:04:00
because you decide what is good and bad02:04:03
but I'm when you get when you have that02:04:05
when people have that power and control02:04:07
in their hands it can be taken the total02:04:08
wrong way and it's going to start02:04:09
getting capitalized off of people are02:04:11
like oh well now we can make us look02:04:12
better and cooler and like there's this02:04:14
and you can do that and it's just you02:04:15
get it it's just gonna go down the wrong02:04:17
way02:04:18
um so02:04:20
I'm Gonna Change topics here uh really02:04:23
quick just kind of to lighten the mood02:04:25
would you guys date a guy who wore a02:04:27
fedora you know yeah no02:04:32
I'm just getting right02:04:34
um Kiko you're not good is this a good02:04:36
look for me02:04:40
can you blink a couple more times02:04:43
um02:04:44
no02:04:45
what do you guys do to02:04:46
no dude this might actually be a trilby02:04:49
I'm not sure if it's a fedora02:04:51
I don't think that's a fedora I don't02:04:53
like it it's a trail beat the lady02:04:56
yeah it does02:04:59
who had this updated in Italian Italian02:05:01
guy who had this hat I don't care which02:05:03
looks like you're about to get like your02:05:04
cane out and like and start like okay02:05:07
tap dancing some chats here we can02:05:10
definitely gotta get caught up on the02:05:11
soup chats I know02:05:13
um okay let's see here we have uh02:05:16
did we do wait02:05:19
[ __ ] I'm kind of lost02:05:20
what do you want me to do02:05:24
um02:05:25
wait I forgot where we were02:05:27
um we'll do the stream Labs a little bit02:05:30
later let me do the regular soup chats02:05:31
first02:05:32
uh we got that one we got02:05:34
this one02:05:37
uh okay so Isaac Newton thank you for02:05:39
the 50 man Brian I love your show and I02:05:41
watch and listen to your podcast even02:05:42
now during work quick question for the02:05:44
ladies would you date an Asian five02:05:45
three average job making 50k a year02:05:47
physically fit and goes to the gym five02:05:49
times a week uh really quick if you guys02:05:50
wanna yes or no Kiko02:05:54
no02:05:56
is it the height02:05:59
yeah like I'm five seven usually walking02:06:01
around in like shoes that make me 5 1002:06:03
and I just don't think we would really02:06:06
see eye to eye02:06:11
okay oh oh02:06:14
thank you Martin thank you Marcus the02:06:18
Creator life a life Giver design a02:06:22
designer science has tried to no avail02:06:24
to disprove the existence of God all02:06:27
that you experience and enjoy day to day02:06:29
cannot come into being accidentally02:06:31
through a random Galactic explosion02:06:33
feminism has made you a misotheist oh02:06:36
that's a Creator02:06:38
life a life Giver02:06:42
like02:06:45
like his voice you know that's just a02:06:47
computer no that's I'm not even talking02:06:48
about that it didn't need the com the02:06:50
computer to say it's just that's what it02:06:52
sounds like I feel like I'm like02:06:54
just getting [ __ ] behind like a02:06:56
little like church from like 1850 or02:06:59
something like I don't know that's a02:07:01
church from like 350. that's like basic02:07:04
Church level stuff02:07:07
creation a creator02:07:09
oh02:07:11
would you what if I if I were just like02:07:13
Hey we're like hey Kiko um you know two02:07:16
plus two equals four you'd be like oh02:07:17
here's Michael two plus two equals four02:07:19
it's like just basic stuff you know well02:07:21
probably yeah if you're telling me at 2302:07:23
years old that two plus two equals four02:07:24
yeah I'd be like well that guy's just02:07:25
telling you basic stuff that a creation02:07:27
needs a Creator yeah that's like like02:07:28
that's how terms and words usually work02:07:30
yes02:07:34
in your life yes but a child deserves a02:07:37
mother like another regret mother like02:07:40
yeah thank you thank you for using 20002:07:43
to tell me that maybe he thought you02:07:46
needed to hear it he could have just02:07:47
dropped the thing to Google the Bible02:07:49
verse for free the comments okay02:07:54
um so would you do the guy five three02:07:57
um 40 50k a month but he Jims it no02:08:00
yes or no it's fine02:08:03
no02:08:04
married Kiki02:08:07
no it will no whoa oh wow sorry sorry02:08:12
bud uh Victoria it depends on02:08:14
personality02:08:16
okay that was profound all right we have02:08:19
uh moral objection thank you for the 50.02:08:20
going around and sleeping with every02:08:22
person you desire is not having your02:08:24
needs met it's fulfilling you hedonistic02:08:25
excuse me it's fulfilling your02:08:28
hedonistic desires you know it's wrong02:08:30
or you wouldn't be compelled to make02:08:31
excuses for it hey moral thank you for02:08:33
the uh 50 there uh geez Zach hey uh oh02:08:37
wait hold on actually didn't we yeah02:08:39
uh yo geez Zach thank you for the02:08:42
hundred man uh military vet fought in02:08:44
Afghan Afghanistan managed private02:08:46
planes now for many celebrities it's02:08:48
very sad to see the freedoms I fought02:08:49
for turned into a society being degraded02:08:52
like this single Parenthood or abortion02:08:54
young women who can't understand the02:08:56
number one predictor of crime which is02:09:01
fatherless homes wow okay uh yeah I02:09:05
believe it's fatherless homes02:09:15
well you could make the argument that02:09:17
it's actually the the single mothers02:09:19
that are raising so the women made them02:09:21
walk away that's what you're saying02:09:23
well we don't know the circumstances of02:09:26
what's not owning up to the02:09:28
responsibilities and leaving a child02:09:29
fatherless got it02:09:35
yeah02:09:38
in any case uh Zach thanks for your02:09:40
service and thank you for the big 100 uh02:09:42
soup chat man really appreciate it thank02:09:43
you man uh yo dinosaur D with a 55. poor02:09:48
Michael looks like he's descended into02:09:50
hell02:09:51
run buddy run because these suck you bye02:09:56
will suck whatever hope you have left02:09:59
for Humanity that is not fair at all02:10:02
these these wonderful women are and even02:10:05
you lady Miss what is her name02:10:09
Kiki Kiki and Kiko Oh no you're02:10:13
wonderful women and you're all you know02:10:15
you're you're looking at virtue and02:10:18
truth and all these that you're taking02:10:19
it seriously it's fabulous I mean I'm if02:10:22
not in heaven at least purgatory all02:10:24
right02:10:25
cool all right we have uh yo Marquis02:10:27
Martin thanks for the 50 man Brian02:10:28
thanks for protecting my anonymity with02:10:31
a bankrupt sandwich shop chain is it is02:10:33
it out of business um maybe there's one02:10:35
like Blockbuster that's still kicking uh02:10:37
my job is actually real estate and02:10:39
construction congrats on 5K plus live02:10:41
viewers how much how much do we actually02:10:42
have right now02:10:44
were just under 8 000. uh yeah Martin02:10:47
thank you so much man uh Michael nice to02:10:49
see you on the Pod appreciate your work02:10:51
now flee call me fornia post haste I02:10:55
will I'll do it okay02:10:58
we have David Ross hey thank you for the02:11:00
50 man this conversation leaves me02:11:01
speechless controlling words controlling02:11:04
don't talk about Michael like that02:11:06
that's a Discerning that's a Discerning02:11:08
Discerning reader who understands a02:11:11
great number one best-selling book when02:11:12
he hears one02:11:15
um shots fired by the way02:11:17
um okay we have uh Igor petrikov02:11:20
thank you man thank you for the uh big02:11:22
support long time listener of daily wire02:11:24
but tend to skip oh oh real nice02:11:27
but now but look at the next one now02:11:29
subbed hats off to the 19 year old girl02:11:31
in the middle keep it right keep it02:11:34
tight which one is that you Sam I'm02:11:37
assuming yeah she's a 19 year old ah02:11:39
okay all right02:11:41
all right thanks Igor appreciate it02:11:43
Dakota B thank you man this is for Mike02:11:46
Davis from Sunday couldn't respond in02:11:47
time I'm sorry you lack the skills man02:11:49
I'd suggest doing some research ladies02:11:51
how much of a green flag of a man knows02:11:53
what he's doing down02:11:56
there green flag is it a green flag if02:11:59
he is skilled in that department02:12:03
yeah Kiko02:12:06
um it's a plus yeah I mean it's not I02:12:11
mean it's not a bad thing but02:12:14
yeah definitely not an answer how about02:12:15
maybe let me frame it like this is it a02:12:16
deal breaker if it's if he's bad at it02:12:19
or he doesn't do it how about that02:12:23
what do you wait what if if you won't go02:12:25
oh we're talking specifically come on oh02:12:29
we're talking about no it's not just02:12:30
that it's crude it's like why is anybody02:12:32
doing that oh going down there or not02:12:35
going down I think that's what he was02:12:36
implying02:12:39
why are people going down there why02:12:41
people not going down there yeah02:12:44
wait I think you could probably infer02:12:47
for my reaction so going down there wait02:12:49
hold on is this so whatever you're not a02:12:52
Munch Michael02:12:53
do you you know all right listen I don't02:12:56
tell Tales at a school or anything like02:12:57
that but well I'm with you yeah I'm with02:13:00
you yeah02:13:02
hell yeah Michael I'm glad I'm glad I02:13:05
didn't say anything okay and do you do02:13:07
you expect to have your skin sticks in02:13:11
return I'm gonna pull up the catechism02:13:13
at the Catholic church for just a second02:13:14
and tell you exactly what no I'm gonna02:13:17
pull up the catechism of Norm Macdonald02:13:18
who says sex is a filthy thing is02:13:23
obviously only meant for procreation02:13:27
didn't you have a whole face02:13:34
when one is Young and irresponsible one02:13:36
is Young and irresponsible it's good02:13:38
that you're in the right bathroom so02:13:40
just a deal breaker deal breaker if he02:13:42
doesn't go if he doesn't go down deal02:13:44
breaker02:13:46
that's a good way of putting it I02:13:49
wouldn't say it's like I've been with02:13:51
people who like I will date them yeah I02:13:54
feel like it wouldn't I mean like I02:13:56
would talk to them like what's the02:13:57
reason I'm not like earning for that but02:13:59
for some girls if it is deal breaker02:14:01
good for them like I'm not going to say02:14:03
Tatum I wouldn't say it's a deal breaker02:14:05
but02:14:07
like it doesn't make sense in my head I02:14:09
guess that a guy wouldn't02:14:11
if you were02:14:15
to please a guy like that I feel like it02:14:17
should be both ways reciprocity02:14:22
thank you thank you're the only02:14:24
reasonable one on the panel say I don't02:14:25
know what to say this is why would02:14:27
anybody02:14:29
this is a dating podcast I mean I mean02:14:31
uh Victoria02:14:34
I personally don't like it so I don't02:14:36
care oh02:14:38
okay uh so Brian you're not a Munch02:14:41
either what is that you know02:14:45
any ginger in his beard I don't know oh02:14:48
wow02:14:53
um02:14:54
yeah just I I got neck problems like I02:14:56
got an ice pack here hey I I got the02:15:00
size pack there's many different02:15:01
positions02:15:05
I actually do ice mine do you expect02:15:08
like for her yeah to supply02:15:11
I mean if02:15:12
there's things when it comes to uh02:15:16
there are things when it comes to sex02:15:18
that perhaps your partner likes that you02:15:21
don't and vice versa and I don't think02:15:23
it has to be a Tit for Tat thing or02:15:25
almost a vindictive thing oh well if you02:15:28
won't do it then I then I won't just me02:15:30
personally my personal thing is my02:15:32
personal thing I you know because well02:15:34
for a variety of reasons and you know02:15:37
just I02:15:40
do you feel like you date women who02:15:42
aren't clean down there like what would02:15:44
be the reason do you feel like you're02:15:46
not attracted to the vulva once it's up02:15:48
close in your face I'm a fan hold on02:15:50
first off02:15:52
by the way Michael I apologize02:15:56
yeah for somebody who advocates for02:15:58
large labia you don't seem like you're02:15:59
too fond of them right I'm a fan of02:16:01
large labias my DMs are open um I'm just02:16:03
look here's the thing I apologize this02:16:06
is this is Haram hold on Haram this is02:16:08
Haram yeah um02:16:10
just you know not my favorite uh02:16:13
activity you know02:16:15
it's a great Sopranos episode about this02:16:17
yeah or Uncle June he says no yes not02:16:21
what a man does yes02:16:24
you just quoted The Sopranos so you are02:16:28
a feminine man no that's02:16:31
actually speaking of The Sopranos I just02:16:37
saw a comment the question because02:16:38
Michael is in hell now02:16:42
you've you've made it all the way02:16:44
um02:16:45
I don't like that kind of talk I had02:16:48
that ready to go02:16:57
uh what was that what was Uncle Junior02:17:00
saying um02:17:02
Michael you don't have you never had the02:17:04
makings of a varsity athlete I'm sorry02:17:07
I'm sorry Michael yeah no now I'm just02:17:10
gonna have to become a Don there you go02:17:12
you're going to have to uh yeah get into02:17:16
the racketeering and protection business02:17:19
um is that racist because you're very02:17:22
focused I think I'm canceled next after02:17:25
you02:17:26
um okay so did you guys really want my02:17:28
reasons on on this or no I just feel02:17:31
like if you're not like if you're not a Munch02:17:33
ladies don't want you what's wrong02:17:36
it's gonna think it's like that's not02:17:37
even like a big thing for me like I02:17:39
don't even really like that's not even02:17:40
something I really crave like that but02:17:43
it would just make me question like if02:17:46
you were so against it yeah why not like02:17:48
are we sure we're straight are we sure02:17:50
you like women are we sure I agreed some02:17:53
people say something wrong with me if02:17:54
something's wrong with me why are you02:17:55
still sleeping with me yeah like why are02:17:58
you so opposed like why can you put your02:18:00
peen in it but not your your face like02:18:03
what's why there's a difference so02:18:05
that's it's more of a personal02:18:06
insecurity thing is what you're saying02:18:08
probably it would be in the end I think02:18:09
it would be like a thing in my mind like02:18:11
why I mean why not if you're like02:18:14
girlfriend didn't want to look at your02:18:17
um minkia what your little friend02:18:21
little friends hello it's average what02:18:25
if she was like what if she was ever I02:18:27
don't want to look at it like don't show02:18:28
it to me02:18:29
I enjoy looking it's it's more just so02:18:33
you just like get a close and stare at02:18:34
it don't do anything with it you just be02:18:36
like let me see it all right let's put02:18:38
it away02:18:42
so so Kiko you said okay so Kiko you02:18:44
said that02:18:45
um is it a uh02:18:49
oh you're saying well you're willing to02:18:51
do actual intercourse but you're not02:18:54
willing to do that and actually I don't02:18:55
know if you02:18:56
you said you're okay having sex but02:18:59
hypothetically but you wouldn't yeah02:19:01
yeah so actually Chris Rock is new uh02:19:03
special on Netflix he brought this up he02:19:05
was saying how he would be prepared to02:19:08
again I preemptively I want to apologize02:19:11
Michael he would say that he would eat02:19:14
ass he would ass but he like the same02:19:17
night with a girl but he would not hold02:19:19
hands with her and it's an interesting02:19:21
thing oh man that's profound it's just02:19:24
interesting that it tells you a lot02:19:25
about the culture but but there's this02:19:27
interesting thing when it comes to02:19:28
intimacy people will do all up very02:19:31
quickly after meeting someone all sorts02:19:33
of you know sex or without eating ass02:19:35
whatever sorry Michael02:19:38
but like to actually like hold hands or02:19:40
something that would be too much so it's02:19:43
sort of in that same vein02:19:45
um I guess my big qualm with it and02:19:47
perhaps this is related to uh being in02:19:50
California is in today's in the02:19:54
in the dating landscape you have to02:19:57
almost assume going in that when you're02:19:59
first meeting someone they're sleeping02:20:01
with someone else02:20:04
that you're going on dates with guys but02:20:05
you're currently sleeping with someone02:20:07
else we've had and that's tame compared02:20:10
to other women we've had girls on the02:20:12
show that say they're currently sleeping02:20:14
they have uh it was two shows ago or02:20:16
three shows ago the girl said she's got02:20:19
one main a main side hoe no excuse me a02:20:22
main hoe and then four side hosts that02:20:24
she's all sleeping with that's five but02:20:26
not all girls are like Five Guys no not02:20:29
all not all women are like that however02:20:30
it does seem to be at least in02:20:32
California02:20:33
and perhaps a lot of Western countries02:20:35
that you almost have to assume going in02:20:37
it's more likely than not that when02:20:40
you're even just going on the first day02:20:42
with someone they're probably sleeping02:20:43
with someone else and so for me it's02:20:45
just I would not feel comfortable well02:20:48
first what about like it's your02:20:49
girlfriend's exactly you know that's not02:20:51
sleeping with other people so like02:20:53
that's why like I say it's that's like02:20:54
the if you're bringing up earlier like02:20:56
it's the whole like intimacy thing like02:20:58
I mean me personally I wouldn't sleep02:20:59
with anyone unless I knew them but like02:21:00
you know you can use condoms at first I02:21:03
mean it's not maybe some people are02:21:04
using yes yes like you're going to be02:21:06
using condoms and stuff at first that's02:21:08
why like the first time I'm sleeping02:21:09
with somebody nothing fellatio of the02:21:12
sorts is going to be happening that's a02:21:13
Next Level thing because I don't think02:21:15
anyone's going down with some dental02:21:17
dams or I feel like you wouldn't really02:21:19
want to know is that Italian by the way02:21:25
so a lot of Latin words keep cropping02:21:28
them I just wonder doesn't I I don't02:21:30
want to sound like a prude because I'm02:21:32
really not a prude or maybe I've become02:21:34
a prude much more than I used to be but02:21:36
isn't it all just so gross isn't it just02:21:41
so extremely gross to think about the02:21:43
five dudes and the right it's all just02:21:46
please02:21:47
why are you thinking about the dudes02:21:49
wait wait hold on well yeah because he's02:21:51
put it in my head you know the girl with02:21:53
the five boyfriends and this and you02:21:54
guys02:21:57
someone who you're in a like02:21:59
relationship with that's like I think02:22:01
that's way different but isn't like02:22:02
let's say the most traditional thing02:22:06
would be you don't do any of this stuff02:22:08
and then you get married and then you do02:22:10
appropriate sexual behaviors with your02:22:12
spouse and and then the extreme on the02:22:14
other end is you're doing all sorts of02:22:15
weird stuff putting things in the wrong02:22:17
places with like five guys at a time and02:22:19
then02:22:20
which is very Haram like clearly that's02:22:24
gross and the other the good one is like02:22:27
good and wholesome can there be a02:22:28
balance is there not somewhere why would02:22:30
you want to balance between good and02:22:32
gross because sometimes go for the02:22:33
goodness02:22:40
wait sir no continue your finisher up02:22:43
hold up02:22:45
his sentence02:22:50
a human being is a parasite being in02:22:53
healthcare and having witnessed the mass02:22:55
suffering and death of thousands the02:22:57
only parasites I have seen are the02:23:01
materialistic Hall gaping more that is02:23:04
the Modern Woman just like this panel02:23:06
gents focus on yourselves02:23:09
it's like do they just open up like a02:23:12
thesaurus or like something just like02:23:13
type in like one word like anti-woman02:23:16
word02:23:20
um that was poetic maybe that's why that02:23:23
guy is along because he doesn't like02:23:25
that yeah that's why he has enough time02:23:27
to watch his four hour podcast02:23:29
let me just say buried though shouldn't02:23:31
you be like promoting women02:23:35
in this whole time I've said it's02:23:38
Michael and the girls against Brian yeah02:23:40
original the rest but but you don't want02:23:41
to you don't want to just like simp and02:23:43
be like Oh girls whatever you're doing02:23:44
is great like no it's gross it's so02:23:46
gross do I do it maybe there's like a02:23:48
certain extent where it's close but like02:23:50
she said it's not black and white02:23:51
there's like it is black and white most02:23:52
things are fairly black02:23:54
no those things are not apparently black02:23:57
and white right most things are on a02:23:59
spectrum of things where things aren't02:24:00
like is there an array it's not just one02:24:03
or the other but if it's a spectrum then02:24:05
the Spectrum presumably would go from02:24:06
one extreme to the other and if we're02:24:08
talking that's why we're saying right02:24:09
wrong like beautiful and ugly and like02:24:11
good and bad then the clear answers are02:24:14
on the extremes no you02:24:17
stream is the way to go for each thing02:24:19
we're saying right now you've got a02:24:21
spectrum right right between like true02:24:22
and false good and bad okay so like a02:24:24
spectrum of sex and there's different02:24:27
settings it's like waiting for marriage02:24:30
there's no contacts no life experience02:24:32
like saying just like there's true and02:24:34
false the human behavior is so like has02:24:37
such a range in so many different people02:24:39
and like backgrounds and parenting like02:24:41
that goes into all that there can't just02:24:43
be a right wrong for everything a black02:24:44
and white for everything there is though02:24:46
there is I don't know why I don't know02:24:48
why I mean it's just the same thing with02:24:50
there should be a separation between02:24:51
that yeah there shouldn't I agree we do02:24:55
live strictly by Catholic law yeah I try02:24:58
to I mean I probably fail all the time02:24:59
but I try to02:25:01
speaking of Latin Deus Deus Waltz02:25:04
there's Walt don't pronounce all the02:25:07
moderns want to do it the German way but02:25:08
you got to do it like a good time02:25:10
it's with a V because I've heard it's02:25:12
pronounced with a it's like a w yeah02:25:14
that's what all the like weirdos say02:25:17
yeah because if that's true then Julius02:25:18
Caesar said weny weedy Wiki which is02:25:20
obviously oh good point02:25:23
maybe oh that sounds better yeah yeah02:25:25
that sounds better okay so Deus volt can02:25:29
we get some Deus vault in the chat boys02:25:31
I want to spam it it's God wills it it02:25:34
was a chant during the Crusades so you02:25:37
were saying I the the sentience comments02:25:40
kind of uh interrupted what you're02:25:42
saying though but so you're saying02:25:43
I'm seeing this one guy I'm hooking up02:25:45
with this one guy but I'm also dating02:25:46
these other guys you're in the middle of02:25:48
saying something do you recall what that02:25:49
was02:25:50
I think it was about the black and white02:25:52
what we just got to okay I guess I'll02:25:55
take my like sort of I don't mean to02:25:57
sound like a church mom or anything02:25:58
but I'm saying if you got you were all02:26:00
describing all these weird sexual02:26:01
behaviors right and you're saying there02:26:03
is a spectrum and on this spectrum let's02:26:06
go from the one end it's the most Trad02:26:08
like wholesome thing where it's just you02:26:11
and your husband and you've got this02:26:12
good life right and then on the other02:26:14
end it's you with like seven dudes and a02:26:16
chihuahua and I don't know like all this02:26:18
weird stuff yeah right and so on that02:26:20
spectrum that spectrum is actually just02:26:23
like good normal flourishing for you for02:26:29
everybody for all of human history02:26:31
no I'm just looking at history and I'm02:26:34
looking at also philosophy and looking02:26:37
at all I feel like there's been a lot of02:26:38
terrible things that have happened in02:26:39
history so why are you looking back at02:26:41
history I mean for a long time that's02:26:43
always been good but now we have a02:26:44
different look on love personally I02:26:47
don't think hookup culture is great but02:26:49
a lot of guys will not commit so yeah02:26:51
you don't want can't you make them like02:26:53
you know not to be02:27:06
modern women hate accountability02:27:09
especially when it comes to having02:27:10
consistent morals and ethics things are02:27:13
black and white it's whether you decide02:27:15
to see it or not Sam guy I think um men02:27:18
also hate accountability because like we02:27:20
had we pulled out the stats men are02:27:23
leaving their kids and that is the main02:27:25
problem with the world today thank you02:27:29
there was something roughly okay so02:27:31
let's say you're saying okay there were02:27:32
bad things in the past and now things02:27:34
not everything's perfect but some things02:27:35
are better but we're talking about the02:27:38
change that happened with women's lib02:27:40
right basically the modern feminist02:27:42
stuff which says we're gonna break up02:27:43
the family we're gonna look easier02:27:45
divorce women can go hook up do whatever02:27:46
you want and the thing that's weird02:27:48
about this is if you look at all the02:27:51
studies on all happiness surveys which02:27:53
again take it with a grain of salt but02:27:54
it's all you've got on on these02:27:56
sociological numbers02:27:58
since that all went into effect the02:28:00
hookup culture and abortion and feminism02:28:02
and all the rest women have become less02:28:05
happy everybody's become less happy but02:28:07
women have become especially less happy02:28:09
even relative to men so wouldn't you02:28:11
have to look at that at the last 7002:28:13
years of feminism02:28:14
women are becoming less happy aren't men02:28:17
like more likely to have do suicide now02:28:20
than women like men certain yes mental02:28:23
health is more higher in men02:28:25
everybody is getting less happy and02:28:27
there is a spike in suicides especially02:28:28
among older white men and and Drug02:28:30
overdoses as well but if you measure02:28:33
happiness which again is a very02:28:34
difficult thing to do but you just take02:28:35
people's measures of happiness02:28:37
both men and women have declined but02:28:39
women have declined since when faster02:28:40
rates since the 70s because we'll live02:28:42
on the internet probably everything is02:28:44
still on the internet I mean02:28:46
TV you think you're going to die maybe02:28:48
because like do we know it's directly02:28:50
caused because women because of feminism02:28:52
I mean I think studies are all fake02:28:54
anyway but if you look at all of these02:28:56
happiness surveys such as they are the02:28:58
big change that happened in the02:28:59
relations between men and women is the02:29:01
Advent of feminism and it made women02:29:02
completely miserable probably because02:29:04
they like became more eye-opened and02:29:06
realize whoa my life is [ __ ] when you do02:29:08
something that's exactly what happened02:29:09
it what they would do in the New York02:29:11
radical women's groups these happy women02:29:13
who had good husbands and families would02:29:15
show up happy I'm not even joking and02:29:17
they would go through these struggle02:29:19
sessions and they would raise their02:29:20
Consciousness and they would leave02:29:21
miserable and and this happened again02:29:24
and again at these meetings and that's02:29:25
what happened to the whole society over02:29:26
the last like six weeks isn't this the02:29:28
same thing as like the amazing yeah I02:29:31
feel like they were ignorant before they02:29:33
opened their eyes from them I mean yes02:29:34
or whatever whatever those the pills02:29:36
that's what the feminists say but oh I02:29:38
think they actually were much better02:29:39
adjusted to reality before and then they02:29:41
were told a bunch of Lies by the02:29:43
feminists when they weren't controlling02:29:45
their own lives and everything was02:29:46
dictated they were her husband yeah02:29:47
before when they believed that men and02:29:49
women are complementary and actually02:29:51
made for one another and that actually02:29:53
we have responsibilities and obligations02:29:55
and not just entitlements to do whatever02:29:56
the hell we want and then after they02:29:58
went to the struggle sessions with all02:29:59
the feminists they were told a lie which02:30:01
is that men and women are not02:30:02
complementary but they're indiscernible02:30:04
basically identical woman needs a man02:30:06
like a fish needs a bicycle and they02:30:07
were told a lie that they would be much02:30:09
more fulfilled not working for the good02:30:11
of their husband and children but02:30:12
instead going out02:30:13
there's a guy who doesn't care about02:30:15
them they can work at a job at the02:30:17
widget in fact they don't need women02:30:18
that women are like a fish they can have02:30:20
many women men are told the same exact02:30:21
thing yeah no that and that's02:30:23
unfortunately is a product of feminism02:30:24
that's affected men too and it's just02:30:26
all a bunch of bees I feel like that was02:30:27
before feminism I feel before it was02:30:29
just hidden they would Yes Men yes yes02:30:31
men could she only wanted so much easily02:30:34
no because we're allowed sex without02:30:36
marriage that's why people don't want to02:30:38
marry anymore okay I understand hook up02:30:40
culture is a problem but when there02:30:42
wasn't hookup culture men were allowed02:30:44
and they had this freedom of being like02:30:46
to cheat on their wives and to get away02:30:48
rays and even laws against adultery in02:30:49
fornication yeah but no one would care02:30:51
you would just torn a blind eye no one02:30:53
would depends what you mean by no one I02:30:55
mean sure men have been guidance for all02:30:56
of human history hold on just a second02:30:58
guys super chatted02:31:01
199.9902:31:03
girl in the middle men abandoning his02:31:06
duty as father is one issue but you're02:31:09
forgetting that it is the woman's fault02:31:11
for making a baby with him since you02:31:13
argue that women are the final decisionDescription:
Michael Knowles vs RAGEQUIT Keeko & GEN Z girls! Heated debate ensues! 📅 Dating Talk is LIVE every Sunday & Tuesday at 5:00 PM Pacific Time 🎞️ Extras/Clips: https://www.youtube.com/whatever2nd?sub_confirmation=1 💎 Join: http://youtube.com/whatever/join 📺 Patreon: http://patreon.com/whatever 👕 Merch: http://shop.whatever.com 💵 Tip Jar: http://streamlabs.com/whatever 🎥 Equipment: http://amazon.com/shop/whatever 📘 Facebook: http://facebook.com/whatever 🐦 Twitter: http://twitter.com/whatever 📷 Instagram: http://instagram.com/whatever 👾 Twitch: http://twitch.tv/whatever 👽 Reddit: http://reddit.com/r/whatever 🏴☠️ Brian: http://instagram.com/bd_atlas 🌴 Linktree: http://linktr.ee/whatever ⚓ Listen: https://anchor.fm/whatever 🎵 Music: http://youtu.be/q7UmIbnbaGc 👥 Guests: @MichaelKnowles https://www.twitter.com/michaeljknowles https://www.instagram.com/michaeljknowles https://www.instagram.com/edgeofparadise 🕘 Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 4:05 Guest intros 5:10 MICHAEL KNOWLES! 🤌 6:35 Relationship Status 9:40 New love interests? 12:40 “…seeing other people…” 16:00 NOT BF material 22:30 Women THINK about S3X the SAME WAY as men?! 🤦♂️ 24:35 “Have you met my Dad?” 28:30 The I.G. meet up story 32:40 304 PHASE? 🔥 34:15 I said 304 phase not 340 body phase 37:20 Playing the EGO field 42:35 Super Chats 44:00 Right vs Left? 47:30 Birth control = BAD BAD BAD 50:00 Super Chats continued 56:30 What about PRENUPS?! 1:04:20 Brian PROPOSES to Tatum 💍 1:08:15 Qualms with MARRIAGE 1:14:20 Would you DATE a CONSERVATIVE? 1:18:55 What about PRO LIFE? 🔥 1:26:00 Roe V Wade 1:28:00 Let’s talk RELIGION 1:33:10 “It’s NOT YOUR CHOICE” 1:37:15 When is it LIFE? 1:41:40 “My MOTHER had abortions” 1:46:30 Religion MUST come into the DISCUSSION 1:54:30 LIFE is a fundamental right 1:59:25 Artificial WOMB?! 2:04:15 Fedora? Trilby? 2:05:25 Super Chats 2:07:30 ASTEROID ☄️ 2:16:00 “That’s not what a MAN DOES” 2:21:30 HARAM! 🤦♂️ 2:28:35 Feminism made women MISERABLE 2:34:35 Super Chats 2:40:00 MEN are NOT WOMEN? 2:44:45 “Biologically they are DIFFERENT” 2:47:30 WHAT about LADYBOYS?! 2:51:30 What ARE gender ROLES? 3:02:25 Super Chats 3:04:15 ASTEROID ☄️ 3:06:00 Romeo 💕 3:10:45 “I think RED PILL is STUPID” 👀 3:15:35 CHASE CALL IN 3:21:25 Welcome FAITH down your throat… 3:25:40 Super Chats 3:28:50 Let her f ANYONE? 3:31:40 Super Chats continued 3:38:00 Let’s talk T 3:42:30 Super Chats 3:53:15 So you DON’T believe in TRAN?” 3:56:00 Super Chats 4:05:00 BRIAN’S issue with PAYING on the 1st DATE 🔥 4:11:45 Michael Cooks 4:18:15 “So you don’t want to be a chick” 4:21:50 CHASE VIDEO REACTION 4:23:40 Women DON’T need RIZZ 4:27:10 Super Chats 4:35:40 The Drew Afualo clip 4:39:45 Affirmative action is racism 4:41:10 Define RACISM 🤦♂️ 4:59:15 Larry David stare 👀 5:00:45 Outro
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