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all right oh there is so much going on

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with the Russia Ukraine war situation

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being overshadowed by the tragedy

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happening in Israel but we we want to

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talk about both of those we also want to

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talk about what's going on here in the

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United States to help me make sense of

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all of it I have Max Blumenthal from the

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grayzone to come on and and help us Max

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thank you so much for coming on he to

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see you Stephen so I love the work that

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you guys are doing over at the gray Zone

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you you are exposing stories that the

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mainstream media just refuses to touch

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and uh you've you know we've texts back

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and forth you've shared things with me

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that have been incredibly eye-opening uh

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and so I appreciate that the the first

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thing that I want to jump into is as of

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this morning members of Congress are

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trying to pressure and persuade

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President Biden to do another emergency

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airlift evacuation to get Americans out

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of Israel as as quickly as possible is

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that the right move uh has most of the

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chaos subsided and now we can just get

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them out regularly because what we don't

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want to see is another chaotic Deja Vu

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scene like we saw in Afghanistan where

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there's panic and uh you know people

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falling out of airplanes what are your

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thoughts on that well wouldn't it

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certainly wouldn't be an Afghanistan

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situation um these are people who are

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dual Nationals and not people who have

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to jump into the wheel well of a plane

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as real refugees to

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escape uh and there's nothing wrong with

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doing anything humanitarian to help but

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that's not what the Biden Administration

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is seeking to do here they've sent two

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aircraft carriers to the region they're

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turning up the

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temperature they're taking us on a

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trajectory towards a regional War and

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the kind of war with Iran that Benjamin

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Netanyahu has sought to embroil the US

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in since he returned to the prime

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minister's office um and we need to step

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back from this situation in a less

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emotional way step away from the

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non-stop propaganda that's completely

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one-sided and just look at some context

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in history to understand how it got so

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bad and so dangerous I have spent much

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of my adult life trying to unpack the

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situation of Israel Palestine coming at

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it from the perspective of an American

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Jew who was raised in Washington DC

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around in an environment where I was

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immersed in pro-israel propaganda I went

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on a free trip to Israel called

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Birthright Israel when I was younger

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over well over 20 years ago and I

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started to think more critically about

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the situ ation as I saw what

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Palestinians were living through and

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wondered why it required so much

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indoctrination to to maintain my support

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for a country that I had I'd never been

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to which was 5,000 miles away so I've

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written two books about the situation

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one Goliath came out in

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2013 uh I spent five years living inside

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Israel and in the occupied West Bank uh

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five years off and on and then I went to

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the Gaza Strip after

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Israel had a military escalation with

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the armed factions there not just Hamas

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uh that left 551 women and children dead

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and over a 100,000 homes destroyed

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inside Gaza in 2014 and I went there uh

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was in the rubble for days and days and

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days and I chronicled the war which

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lasted 51 days in a book called The 51

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day war and then I um produced and

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directed a documentary with another

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American American Jew Dan Cohen about

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what it was like being in the Gaza Strip

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in the voices of the people there

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including people who have taken up arms

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and why they fight and it's called

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killing Gaza and it's uh it's certainly

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not a celebration of violent struggle

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it's a lamentation uh for the situation

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of these people who are totally ignored

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by the world but I think you know we're

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talking right now I'm talking a lot of

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uh people from where I come from in the

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from my political perspective they said

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and talk to each other they're in an

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echo chamber and I think a lot of um you

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know people in the America first

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movement uh they they do the same and I

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think it's important um that we share

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ideas and history now uh because we all

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are living in a country together that

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enjoys the geographical advantage being

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far from the Middle East as well as far

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from Ukraine and Russia but we are

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simultan mously being dragged into three

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potentially nuclear catastrophic

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conflicts with Iran with Russia and with

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China and I think we all agree that this

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is dangerous in this situation it really

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comes down to uh

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Jerusalem holy sites but also the issue

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of occupation and Siege which

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Palestinians have lived under

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continuously almost since

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1948 so we need to understand what what

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the god strip is why people have taken

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up arms there um why they even are

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displaying

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ruthlessness and what Israel's real

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objectives are here and so if possible

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I'd like to just

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begin with what I see as the the

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original sin the Inception of this

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conflict a lot of people say it's

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biblical thousands of years ago but it's

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not true Jews and Muslims have not

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always been enemies uh and there are

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many Palestinian Christians for example

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in Bethlehem and Jerusalem who have been

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forced to leave because of occupation

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the Israeli separation wall has been

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built through Bethlehem I know one

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family that's completely surrounded by

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that wall the Anastos family who are uh

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directly descended from the

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disciples um and they cannot go to

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Jerusalem to observe Palm Sunday because

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of that wall so it's not just Jews and

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Muslims that are involved but Jews and

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Muslims fought the Crusaders in

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Jerusalem it wasn't originally a

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religious conflict it's been turned into

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a religious conflict because of the

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desire to construct an exclusively

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Jewish state in the heart of a territory

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that had been stateless that had been in

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the Ottoman Empire where primarily

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Muslims and Christians had lived and so

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you had a period from 1898 to

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1948 of violent colonization sort of

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similar to the United States where you

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had people colonizing it who had nowhere

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felt they had nowhere else to go they

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didn't want to go back to Europe because

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of anti-Semitism so they had to fight

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for every

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inch uh and this led to a lot of

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hostility that culminated in

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1948 with what Palestinians called a

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nakba 700,000 750,000 Palestinians were

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removed from their land in a during a

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war four over 400 towns were depopulated

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and many of them went to the Gaza Strip

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so you have like you see right now

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Rockets raining down on a town called

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ashalon inside Israel they've taken the

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Brun of it that used to be known as

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majdal ascalon and it was a Palestinian

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town and its residents were forced out

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at gunpoint and pushed into what is now

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the Gaza Strip so Egypt began

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supporting uh the fedin the Guerilla

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fighters in the Gaza Strip and is the

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Israeli Army attacked it many times

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during this period uh there was a huge

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Massacre of unarmed men in 1956 in the

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Gaza Strip and you could just you can

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see the uh intensification of hostil

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ility and violence building uh the Gaza

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Strip was forly placed under occupation

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by the Israeli military in 1967 in the

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war that Israel initiated against Egypt

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and

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Syria and between 1967 and

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2007

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9,000 PE uh Jewish Israelis were placed

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in settlements inside the Gaza Strip and

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a territory of 1.5 million people one of

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the most densely populated places on

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Earth they took up something like 30% of

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the water they were also targeted with

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violent attacks to get them out um

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Palestinians this is well before Hamas

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Hamas did not exist and we'll talk about

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I'll talk about Hamas next why how they

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reformed why they exist what they want

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um because of the um continuous pressure

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on those settlers and then the violence

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of the second

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intifada uh which actually began with in

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October 2000 with Israel according to it

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own defense Ministry firing 1,000

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bullets at Palestinian protesters and

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then which led to the violence of the

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suicide bombings which was horrific for

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Israeli Society um the

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Palestinian I'm sorry the Israeli

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settlers from in the Gaza Strip those

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small 9,000 of them were taken out and

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then in 2007 Israel initiated a Siege of

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the Gaza Strip uh it is completely

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walled off it is controlled on all sides

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from the air by drones I went out on a

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fishing boat with a fisherman from Gaza

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and we were stopped 3 kilometers from

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the Shore by the Israeli Navy who

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threatened to shoot his boat um and all

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the good fish was beyond three

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kilometers so they've been living under

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siege Israel has um this is what

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reported in Israeli media by the

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newspaper harit uh enacted complex

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mathematical formulas to calculate the

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amount of calories each Gaza resident

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should be entitled to each day because

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they control everything that goes in and

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out of this this tiny strip it is the

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most

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surveilled area on the planet Earth it's

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filled with Israeli spies collaborators

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and

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anytime they seek to break out of their

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cage and not just through violence they

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face the Wrath of the Israeli military

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so in

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2019 people in the Gaza Strip initiated

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what they called the Great March of

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return where and when they say return

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they say return to our lands where we

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are from where our grandfathers lived uh

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go to be able be able to go to Jerusalem

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be able to leave this hopeless miserable

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sit ghetto that we forced into they

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decided to March without guns toward the

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wall on the western flank of Gaza and

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Tred to March into what is now Israel

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some of the young men had rocks or

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burning tires but there were no weapons

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and over 200 people were killed

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thousands were wounded Israel set up

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snipers

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above the wall and just shot anyone who

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got close mainly shooting them in the

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legs and you know having been in the

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Gaza Strip I would just see young men

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everywhere missing legs in wheelchairs

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with uh crutches the desperation who

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would want to do that and who would seek

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to do that who would be willing to keep

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walking at this wall knowing they were

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being shot at and going to be shot it's

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people who are totally desperate totally

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hopeless there is a massive epidemic of

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suici IDE in the Gaza Strip that no one

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talks about children we're talking about

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children as young as nine committing

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suicide uh close to 40% of the

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population is addicted to a painkilling

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drug I think it's called Adavan that

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they call the happy pill so they can

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just turn off from this reality and we

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can see how controlled they are by the

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fact that Israel has turned off the

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electricity the gas and the water but

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when I was there electricity was already

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rationed to just a few hours a day and

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if you turn on the shower sea water and

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sewage comes out so people in Gaza they

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bathe with what they call Sweet Water

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which is bottled water that they dump on

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their bodies after they take the

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brackish water so it's already The Siege

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was already horrible they've seen uh I

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would count five major military

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escalation since the siege began and

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when the W with the removal of the

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settlers it allowed Israel freedom of

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operation in Gaza to use missile strikes

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you know 500 pound 2,000 pound bombs not

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just you know sending soldiers in street

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by Street

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but they could um level an entire

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neighborhood which is what they've done

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this week leveled most of the capital of

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Gaza City uh I can't

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26 families have had multiple members

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more than five members wiped out it's

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just unbelievable but they're able to do

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this because there are no Jewish Israeli

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settlers in there as you see inside the

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West Bank so they've had from 2007 to

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the present um well more well more than

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five military escalations and with each

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one thousands and thousands are killed

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inside the Gaza Strip and it would start

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like in 200920 the first major

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escalation we saw maybe only 10 Israelis

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uh were killed the ability of the Armed

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factions in Gaza to strike back was

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pretty pretty pathetic um but each time

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you see the Israeli casualties Rising as

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especially of Israeli soldiers as the

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armed factions in the Gaza Strip start

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to improve their military capacity you

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know there's no diplomatic path for them

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they're not you see what is happening in

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the West Bank where a Palestinian

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Authority which is effectively disarmed

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supported by the US state department

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which coordinates security with Israel

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is still presiding over an occupied

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population that often can't leave and

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suffers in its own way so

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the this this much of the population in

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Gaza supports the AR what they call the

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armed struggle as the only path forward

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because every other path out of this

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Siege is broken and they see the

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continuous advancement of these armed

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factions they now have these rudimentary

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drones which took out two Israeli tanks

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in the current conflict they have their

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own kind of rudimentary version of

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Cavalry with motorcycle divisions they

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have their own rudimentary crude Navy

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with attack boats that are basically

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converted fishing boats and diver teams

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and much of their Arsenal is homemade

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but those homemade uh Rockets can now

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reach Tel Aviv so they're able to

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they're they they've become more

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confident and at the same time the

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population has become more

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hopeless uh the hopelessness also breeds

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uh religious

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fanaticism and they

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attacked and what was the point of this

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attack well it was spelled out by Hamas

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poit Bureau chairman khed

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Michelle uh he called it operation al-

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AXA flood and it was first of all to uh

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push back on the Jewish religious

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nationalist incursions into the alaka

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compound in Jerusalem which is the third

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holiest site in Islam under Orthodox

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Jewish law Jews are actually not allowed

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to pray there except under special

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circumstances but this is a sect within

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Israeli Society that's not only

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determined to invade that compound but

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to replace it with a third Jewish temple

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to Herald the coming of the Jewish

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Messiah and this is seen as an affront

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to the whole world of Islam so Hamas is

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positioning it as the protector of Islam

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by calling it operation alaka flood and

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no one else is protecting that compound

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no one else is able to do it so this is

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a political play for them number one

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number two the West has been trying to

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normalize with Saudi Arabia and these

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Gulf States and put the Palestinian

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question in the ice box for history

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which would leave them under occupation

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and Siege so it's an effort to upend uh

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those uh diplomatic PLO which ignore

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Palestinians and will say they'll allow

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Israel to say well we made peace with

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the Arabs the Palestinians just didn't

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want peace because Israel would have to

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offer them real concessions on the

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ground Israel doesn't lose anything from

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making peace with Saudi Arabia they just

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get some deals and get to tap into the

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Sovereign wealth fund and then the third

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thing that Hamas wanted to achieve with

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this attack and also Hamas wasn't the

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only group involved in it that needs to

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be said was the release of thousands of

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Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails

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so remember in 2011 Israel gave up

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1,27 Palestinian prisoners for one

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Israeli soldier who had been captured

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gilad Shalit so now they have probably

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dozens of soldiers the attack was mainly

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on military bases and what will Israel

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have to give up for that the price is

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staggering from Israel they don't even

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know what to do and we saw uh some very

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ruthless

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displays uh attacks on civilians

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killings of civilians for many of those

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young men who are faceless nameless and

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perceived as animals and terrorists in

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the west um they saw those they they

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don't see Israelis as anything but their

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Killers their oppressors and they've

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never met them because they've been

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Under Siege if you meet an older person

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in Gaza they actually speak Hebrew they

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used to work inside Israel they know

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Israelis these younger people the only

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time they've ever seen a star of David

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is on an Israeli attack craft so it it

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they see them they've been dehumanized

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and they have dehumanized Jewish

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Israelis in turn and what they want is

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not to kill Jews as Tony blinkin said or

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Joe Biden said that's a way of erasing

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the whole history and the psychology of

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the conflict they want to avenge what

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they call their Martyrs and many of

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these young men have lost family members

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seen them chewed up actually seen them

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beheaded when the roofs get dropped on

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their head by these air strikes and I've

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interviewed them I interviewed and this

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is in the film I made killing Gaza a

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young man named Wasim shamali 15 he was

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completely traumatized depressed

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couldn't leave his house because his

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brother was killed by Israeli sniper on

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camera as he looked in the Rubble for

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the body of his cousin and it's you can

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see it I mean you can go look for the

00:18:33

killing of 19-year-old Salam shamali

00:18:36

it's out there it's on YouTube it's in

00:18:38

our documentary I would advise not

00:18:40

watching it but we asked this

00:18:42

15-year-old what do you want to do when

00:18:44

you grow up and he said I want to avenge

00:18:46

my brother I want to be a fighter so

00:18:48

that's the mentality and that's what

00:18:50

this that's what and and who's

00:18:52

supporting this conflict who's

00:18:53

supporting the status quo who's

00:18:56

preventing the end of this kind of of

00:18:58

cycle of Retribution and who's who's

00:19:01

supporting this power imbalance where

00:19:04

one side is able to control the

00:19:06

electricity the power and uh energy and

00:19:10

of the other side it's the United States

00:19:13

it's the unit so ultimately this is our

00:19:16

fault um where is this going

00:19:20

well it could it could turn into a

00:19:22

regional war with Hezbollah opening a

00:19:24

northern front Hezbollah is much

00:19:26

stronger than Hamas or the Palestinian

00:19:29

Islamic Jihad faction inside the Gaza

00:19:32

Strip that have homemade weapons they

00:19:33

have real weapons they can do targeted

00:19:35

strikes and let's say uh you know Israel

00:19:40

bom levels half of Beirut as it did in

00:19:42

2006 during its failed war against

00:19:44

Hezbollah let's say Israel Marches On

00:19:47

Gaza City um which would be a

00:19:49

slaughterhouse and Hezbollah would be

00:19:51

able to actually take parts of Northern

00:19:53

Israel that's possible they would be

00:19:55

possibly be able to hit Israel's defense

00:19:57

Ministry in Tel Aviv the US has two

00:19:58

aircraft carriers and Israel has a very

00:20:01

unstable political situation internally

00:20:04

with a prime minister who is always

00:20:06

sought to as I said embroil the US in a

00:20:09

war with Iran it could lead to a

00:20:13

regional war that could take us to Tron

00:20:17

and lead to many American deaths as well

00:20:21

so if you step back look at the history

00:20:24

from the perspective that we're not

00:20:25

getting from CNN then maybe we can start

00:20:28

to understand how crazy this whole

00:20:30

process has been uh but I and so I think

00:20:33

it's important to do that and I'm happy

00:20:35

to talk about um history of Hamas what

00:20:38

they are and what they want as well but

00:20:40

I think you know that that should uh

00:20:44

yeah I I watched your documentary I

00:20:46

appreciate you sending that I I did see

00:20:49

that uh that young man killed uh which

00:20:53

was hard to watch um but Ju Just let me

00:20:57

uh recap

00:20:58

uh in very simple just to make sure I'm

00:21:01

on the same page okay so there is

00:21:04

Decades of very bad blood between

00:21:07

Palestine and

00:21:09

Israel uh now there's this holy site

00:21:14

that they're wanting to protect while at

00:21:17

the same time avenge their family

00:21:20

members that they feel Israel has

00:21:23

wronged and to negotiate the end of this

00:21:27

Siege on the Gaza Strip where Israel

00:21:29

controls everything that goes in and out

00:21:32

and no one can leave including for for

00:21:34

for often for medical care it's

00:21:36

difficult to get out so this is they're

00:21:38

using violence as a form of establishing

00:21:41

leverage for negotiation and the only

00:21:43

way they've ever been able to get any

00:21:45

negotiations going because the world the

00:21:48

West recogn sees Hamas only as a

00:21:50

terrorist group and not as a political

00:21:52

faction with a very large popular base

00:21:56

is by getting captives and trading those

00:21:58

captives for concessions and so that's

00:22:00

what's happening here so that you you

00:22:02

believe that's why they're grabbing so

00:22:04

many hostages is because in their mind

00:22:07

they're thinking for every person I grab

00:22:09

we might get a thousand people out of

00:22:12

jail yes I mean Hamas has explicitly

00:22:15

asked for Israel to release all female

00:22:18

prisoners from its jails in exchange for

00:22:21

the female captives that it has so

00:22:23

that's what's taking place right now and

00:22:25

there are many countries negotiating

00:22:27

behind the scenes yes yeah I know Qatar

00:22:30

is involved and many others okay so then

00:22:33

just really quickly so now we we have

00:22:36

this horrible

00:22:37

tragedy um that that we've all been

00:22:39

covering in the news the United States

00:22:42

has moved two aircraft carriers into the

00:22:45

region uh there's worry that they're

00:22:48

going to provoke Iran who has Hezbollah

00:22:52

who is much much stronger more

00:22:55

calculated better Weaponry than Hamas

00:22:58

the United States just moved USS Ronald

00:23:02

Reagan to South Korea to put pressure on

00:23:06

Russia and North Korea so th this whole

00:23:09

thing is becoming a giant Powder Keg in

00:23:12

my opinion more dangerous than what

00:23:15

NATO's been telling us we're going to be

00:23:18

dragged into this Russia Ukraine war

00:23:20

this is like a very this is going this

00:23:24

is moving towards a hot War much much

00:23:26

faster than the Russia Ukraine situation

00:23:29

is that fair to say yeah and there's one

00:23:32

X Factor that you don't have in Russia

00:23:34

Ukraine which is especially dangerous in

00:23:36

this situation and in it's almost it's

00:23:41

it's well everyone acknowledges it but

00:23:43

it's forbidden to talk about it in some

00:23:45

ways where you'll get called an

00:23:47

anti-semite uh or I get called a

00:23:49

self-hating Jew but you have a very

00:23:51

powerful Israel Lobby in the United

00:23:53

States there isn't really a Ukraine

00:23:55

Lobby you have an Israel Lobby that in

00:23:58

many ways can influence Congress and

00:24:00

influence the president whether it's

00:24:02

democrat or republican to act solely in

00:24:05

Israel's interest without considering

00:24:07

the national interest of the United

00:24:09

States which is obviously different from

00:24:10

Israel doesn't matter how much you love

00:24:12

Israel the US has different national

00:24:14

interests and it is not in the National

00:24:16

interest of the US to attack Iran but we

00:24:19

saw Donald Trump fall under the sway of

00:24:21

the Israel Lobby I mean I thought if

00:24:24

he's very wealthy he'll be able to be

00:24:26

more independent and in some ways was

00:24:28

more independent than any other

00:24:30

president in recent years he would go

00:24:32

off script sometimes in very positive

00:24:34

ways uh in 2015 Donald Trump went off

00:24:38

script at a gathering of the Republican

00:24:40

Jewish Coalition which is a republican

00:24:42

Israel Lobby group and he said a lot of

00:24:44

you guys I mean you know Trump likes to

00:24:46

tell jokes and he said I'm a landlord a

00:24:48

lot of you guys are landlords and I I

00:24:50

want we like to make deals we're

00:24:51

dealmakers Why Can't We Make a Deal

00:24:53

between Israel and the Palestinians I

00:24:55

was like that's what the Trump that

00:24:57

that's very sensible he was called an

00:24:59

anti-semite for saying that he was

00:25:01

accused of uh stereotyping Jews as

00:25:04

landlords and Sheldon Adon comes in one

00:25:08

of the wealthiest men in America the

00:25:09

owner of Las Vegas Sands Casino who has

00:25:12

a relationship with Trump's son-in-law

00:25:15

Jared Kushner whose own family was so

00:25:17

connected to Israel this was reported in

00:25:19

the New York Times that when Benjamin

00:25:21

Netanyahu when he was Israel's

00:25:23

opposition leader would come to town in

00:25:25

New York he would stay with Jared's

00:25:27

father Father Charles and Jared would

00:25:29

actually have to get out of his bed and

00:25:31

stay in his parents' room and Netanyahu

00:25:33

would literally sleep in his bed so

00:25:36

Sheldon Adon comes in and becomes

00:25:38

Trump's the largest funer of Trump's

00:25:40

2016 campaign as well as his reelection

00:25:43

campaign through the Sheldon and Miriam

00:25:45

Adon Foundation his personal wealth

00:25:48

Trump didn't want to dip into his own

00:25:49

coffers I mean even if you're wealthy

00:25:51

you don't want to spend all your money

00:25:52

on campaign ads because then you'll lose

00:25:54

all your money so he defas it to adelon

00:25:56

and Adelson says all you have to do is

00:25:58

do a maximum pressure campaign on Iran

00:26:02

uh start working with Netanyahu it winds

00:26:04

up with the killing of kasum Solani the

00:26:06

second most powerful military figure

00:26:09

period in Iran who's the director of the

00:26:12

irgc which actually leads to injuries of

00:26:15

American troops who were transported to

00:26:17

Ramin Air Base from the al-asad base in

00:26:20

Iraq when Iran's ballistic missile

00:26:22

struck That Base they suffered hundreds

00:26:23

of traumatic head injuries this is all

00:26:26

because Trump was being manipulated into

00:26:30

a conflict for domestic political

00:26:32

reasons and because his son-in-law has a

00:26:34

passionate attachment to Israel imagine

00:26:37

if his son-in-law had been Palestinian I

00:26:39

mean Trump may never had never been

00:26:40

president or things would have been

00:26:42

completely different on the ground then

00:26:43

you have the clintons and the Obamas the

00:26:46

Democrats they have a Sheldon Adon in

00:26:48

their Camp his name is Heim Saban he is

00:26:51

the largest individual donor to Bill

00:26:54

Clinton Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama

00:26:57

and he he said I'm a single issue guy

00:26:59

and my issue is Israel he had his wife

00:27:03

uh Cheryl appointed as a un special

00:27:05

Ambassador by Obama because he just gave

00:27:07

him so much money and all he wants Obama

00:27:10

wanted Obama to do was ignore the

00:27:12

Palestinian calls for you know end to

00:27:15

occupation and do whatever Israel wanted

00:27:19

I was personally denounced by Hillary

00:27:21

Clinton's campaign through a statement

00:27:23

it drafted by Jake Sullivan who's now

00:27:25

the NC director for Biden because of my

00:27:29

views on Israel Palestine the views that

00:27:32

I'm expressing to you now um and my

00:27:34

father had been working sort of on the

00:27:37

fringes of Hillary Clinton's 2016

00:27:39

campaign so the Trump campaign took

00:27:41

advantage of that and tried to paint me

00:27:43

as Hillary's secret Middle East adviser

00:27:45

even though I met her like once when I

00:27:47

was a kid for two seconds had no

00:27:49

connection to her and himim Saban came

00:27:52

in and said you have to denounce this

00:27:54

guy get him out of here and immediately

00:27:57

a statement went out under Hillary

00:27:58

Clinton's name denouncing me someone who

00:28:01

had no connection to her was completely

00:28:03

insane so we have this powerful Lobby

00:28:06

you saw just saw Tony blinkin the

00:28:07

Secretary of State on uh National TV

00:28:11

he's in Israel right now he's

00:28:12

participating in their War cabinet

00:28:14

meetings he is a member of the Israel

00:28:17

lobby but he's supposed to be our Chief

00:28:19

Diplomat he's not putting he's not

00:28:21

putting America First here he's not able

00:28:24

to it's unclear what he's putting first

00:28:27

but his grandfather actually started a

00:28:29

think tank in the 1930s his name was

00:28:32

Maurice to lobby for the Zionist

00:28:35

movement in Palestine his father-in-law

00:28:38

who raised him since age nine Samuel

00:28:41

pisar was a major figure in the

00:28:43

French uh French Jewish world who was

00:28:48

very pro-israel and was kind of a

00:28:50

counselor to Francois midon but he was

00:28:53

also the conary to Robert Maxwell

00:28:58

Robert Maxwell being the father of gain

00:29:00

Maxwell Robert Maxwell being a mosad

00:29:02

agent who had a deao state burial in

00:29:06

Israel look up Samuel pisar if you're

00:29:09

watching this and Robert Maxwell Samuel

00:29:11

pisar is the man who raised Tony blinkin

00:29:14

and the last phone call that Robert

00:29:16

Maxwell made before he mysteriously fell

00:29:18

off his yacht was to Samuel pisar and so

00:29:22

Tony blinkin is supposed to preside over

00:29:24

a resolution to this conflict with all

00:29:27

these passionate attachments and

00:29:29

familial ties he said that he's

00:29:31

inherited his commitment to Israel's

00:29:35

strength and I think what we want in a

00:29:37

diplomat is someone who looks at all

00:29:39

sides balances all sides and tries to

00:29:41

come to a peaceful resolution but what

00:29:43

you have here someone who T seems to

00:29:44

take everything personally he's also

00:29:46

said I have family from Ukraine that's

00:29:48

why I support Ukraine and we'll I'll

00:29:51

talk more about that when we get on that

00:29:53

issue but this is the opposite of

00:29:55

diplomacy this is so dangerous right now

00:29:57

and so we have all of the ingredients

00:30:00

for World War II because we're not

00:30:04

thinking rationally we're not looking at

00:30:06

history and we refuse to look at BO the

00:30:08

the the the the needs of both sides

00:30:11

we're just hearing these crazy uh

00:30:14

denunciations hamas's Isis hamas's

00:30:16

Al-Qaeda this is another 911 well where

00:30:18

did 911 lead us Stephen led us into Iraq

00:30:21

in Afghanistan and we never escaped it's

00:30:24

it's it possibly permanently doomed our

00:30:27

Constitution so why are they saying that

00:30:30

again a a n trillion doll War over two

00:30:34

decades do you do you think this is why

00:30:37

zalinski is so concerned that funds are

00:30:41

going to dry up and support because he

00:30:43

knows given Israel and Ukraine Israel

00:30:47

will win hands down when it comes to the

00:30:49

attention game it is I mean look at

00:30:52

what's happening right now ABC News just

00:30:54

did a one-hour special Israel under

00:30:56

Terror like I never even saw that for

00:30:59

Ukraine um and so zalinski is demanding

00:31:03

that he be able to go visit Israel

00:31:06

because he wants to get in the spotlight

00:31:07

again with his little gii Joe suit and

00:31:10

remind people that he's there and then

00:31:12

you have just the cold hard material

00:31:14

reality of US military production

00:31:17

capacity being very below par not up to

00:31:19

where Russia's is who gets the Munitions

00:31:22

who gets the howitzers Lloyd Austin just

00:31:24

redirected them all to Israel to be able

00:31:27

to blanket these refugee camps in Gaza

00:31:31

with Howitzer shells yeah um let let me

00:31:36

throw out a couple of crazy things that

00:31:37

I've heard over the last couple of days

00:31:39

and get your feedback on

00:31:41

them uh zalinski is saying that uh

00:31:45

Ukrainian Intel is saying that Vladimir

00:31:49

Putin is

00:31:50

behind this hot War opportunity in the

00:31:54

Middle East that he helped Iran

00:31:57

Iran helped Hamas Hamas is helping

00:32:01

Palestine do you think there's any truth

00:32:03

to

00:32:05

that uh Vladimir Putin has always tried

00:32:09

to maintain a very close alliance with

00:32:11

Israel there are close to 1.5 million

00:32:14

Russian Jews inside Israel who are in

00:32:18

many ways very pro-russian and protin I

00:32:21

mean they're divided like any other

00:32:23

Russian diaspora but they had Pro

00:32:25

operation Z rallies in inside Israel and

00:32:29

Putin sees Israel kind of along with

00:32:31

Syria and other countries just looking

00:32:34

at it from a very uh realist point of

00:32:37

view as a strategic not a strategic bull

00:32:42

workk but a he sees the Russian

00:32:44

population in Israel as an important

00:32:47

soft power base for himself so he would

00:32:50

not like to completely waste his

00:32:52

relationship with Israel especially

00:32:54

given that that provides him with a back

00:32:56

channel to the US

00:32:57

us there I mean there are there are many

00:33:00

Russian legislators in the Israeli

00:33:02

knesset who Putin or his people can be

00:33:05

in touch

00:33:06

with uh at the same time he has not uh

00:33:09

Israel has not wanted to arm Ukraine

00:33:12

because they don't want to upset their

00:33:14

own Russian population they've tried to

00:33:16

stay neutral and zilinsky has been

00:33:18

outraged at Israel so it's much more

00:33:21

complicated Putin in Syria has sought to

00:33:27

to give Israel freedom of

00:33:31

operation in order to avoid having a

00:33:35

regional conflict and this has angered

00:33:37

Hezbollah he actually coordinates with

00:33:40

Israel inside Syria and has tried to

00:33:43

reduce some of the attacks on Syrian

00:33:46

infrastructure as well as the Russian

00:33:48

troops that are still have have been

00:33:50

operating there so Hezbollah and Iran

00:33:52

actually have been angry at Putin for

00:33:54

not letting them uh for for not stopping

00:33:57

the Israeli attacks on Syria Syria by

00:33:58

the way attacked the Damascus

00:34:00

International Airport today so this idea

00:34:03

that Putin had something to do with this

00:34:05

is a fantasy of the blue andon cult

00:34:09

within the extreme wing of the

00:34:12

democratic party it's sort of an echo of

00:34:14

the Russia gate hysteria and it's an

00:34:17

effort to balinski to try to draw drag

00:34:21

the world back in to the his conflict

00:34:25

with Russia and draw attention to him

00:34:27

self as we begin to forget about him

00:34:29

this this reminds me of a meme maybe

00:34:32

you've seen it on Facebook or the

00:34:34

internet but there's like five Spiderman

00:34:36

and they're all pointing at each other

00:34:38

like they're gonna all kill each other

00:34:40

at the same time so uh the United States

00:34:44

is supporting Israel Israel was sending

00:34:48

Munitions to zalinski only because the

00:34:51

United States uh requested it but they

00:34:54

don't want to upset Vladimir Putin

00:34:57

because of their Russian base Iran is

00:35:00

giving stuff to uh Russia but Russia

00:35:03

doesn't want to betray Israel it's like

00:35:07

it's it's a whole hotbed mess of of

00:35:11

War we can see where it's we can see

00:35:14

where it's pushing things like you have

00:35:16

the five Spider-Man are eventually going

00:35:18

to resolve this and they're going to

00:35:19

stand on opposite sides and I mean when

00:35:22

you see zalinski casting in his lot with

00:35:25

Israel and Israel basically being a

00:35:28

client state of the US which mutually

00:35:31

manipulates American politics they're on

00:35:34

one side with Taiwan which is going to

00:35:36

be the US Bull workk against China and

00:35:39

South Korea which is the US Bull workk

00:35:41

against North Korea and China they're on

00:35:43

one side and then the independent states

00:35:46

that that have traditionally been weaker

00:35:49

in the US unipolar World and which are

00:35:53

trying to create a multi-polar reality

00:35:56

where there's more

00:35:57

that kind of democratic world order

00:36:00

they're going to be on the other side

00:36:01

for now Russia and China I mean they've

00:36:04

historic they they were bitter enemies

00:36:06

that Nixon played on this uh the sinos

00:36:09

Soviet split in order to normalize with

00:36:12

China and that was contingent on Mao and

00:36:17

subsequent leadership being hostile to

00:36:19

the Soviet Union that was the kissing

00:36:21

Jerian position was always to split the

00:36:23

Soviet Union and China because once they

00:36:25

get together you have the Eurasian land

00:36:27

mass hostile to the US with all of its

00:36:30

mineral wealth and um the industrial

00:36:33

base of China that's a disaster for the

00:36:35

US well since the end of the Cold War U

00:36:39

the US has put so much pressure on both

00:36:42

of those countries particularly Russia

00:36:44

that they have come together and Putin

00:36:48

and xiin ping have a very close Alliance

00:36:52

right now with sanctions applied to

00:36:54

Russia Russia is turning East uh is

00:36:57

turning to China for so many products

00:36:59

that are filling up in R filling up

00:37:01

Russian supermarkets raw parts for

00:37:03

Russia and this is unobvious

00:37:07

from a US geopolitical point of view and

00:37:11

from the the point of view just

00:37:13

traditional Imperial Point of View as

00:37:14

spelled out by the British um geographer

00:37:18

Harold

00:37:19

mackinder who saw the EUR Asian World

00:37:22

Island as the most important place to

00:37:25

divide and dominate it is disastrous

00:37:28

from that

00:37:29

perspective and so this is I think this

00:37:32

what we're seeing right now Israel

00:37:34

Palestine is accelerating that

00:37:37

Trend I don't I don't know if you saw

00:37:39

this but joy bear from The View told her

00:37:43

audience of millions and millions of

00:37:45

people that she believes Donald Trump is

00:37:48

behind the attacks on Israel she said

00:37:51

Trump uh in 2018 had a very bizarre and

00:37:55

undocumented Ed encounter in Helsinki

00:37:59

with Vladimir Putin while President she

00:38:02

believes that Trump told Putin How Hamas

00:38:05

could attack Israel on their holiday

00:38:09

five years

00:38:11

later is this just Trump derangement

00:38:13

syndrome or trying to link Trump to a

00:38:17

modern-day atrocity or is there any

00:38:19

truth to this

00:38:20

accusation what's funny how many people

00:38:22

have lost their YouTube channels and

00:38:25

Twitter accounts for disin information

00:38:27

and then this lady can say whatever she

00:38:29

wants on daytime TV that people watching

00:38:31

hair salons Across America uh it's it's

00:38:35

it's it's not only baseless it's

00:38:37

extremely dangerous rhetoric and it's

00:38:40

deliberately dumbing Americans down and

00:38:43

it's designed to De democratize us and

00:38:45

make us all into partisan idiots uh

00:38:48

there's there's nothing to it I mean I

00:38:49

remember CNN published an article after

00:38:53

Trump's Summit with Putin that when

00:38:55

Putin handed him a soccer ball contained

00:38:58

sophisticated surveillance monitoring

00:39:00

devices so they could listen into Trump

00:39:02

I mean that's the kind of idiocy we're

00:39:04

seeing in

00:39:05

CNN and it's all designed to take us to

00:39:08

one place which is hostility with

00:39:11

foreign countries powerful foreign

00:39:13

countries with nuclear arsenals and that

00:39:16

all joy bear and her audience care about

00:39:18

is stopping Trump they don't care about

00:39:20

the bigger picture in the world they see

00:39:23

Trump as the most evil diabolical figure

00:39:25

ever so they'll say anything thing they

00:39:26

want and Trump is Russia so they hate

00:39:29

Russia they don't care what it is know

00:39:31

what it is like here here's Putin and

00:39:33

then way up above him and evil is uh

00:39:37

Donald Trump yeah I mean and so what

00:39:40

what was that Summit really about in

00:39:41

Helsinki it was about missile treaties

00:39:44

something we should have all supported

00:39:46

yeah I I had heard that uh or I had read

00:39:48

sorry that uh he that soccer ball had uh

00:39:52

like a USB flash drive uh sewn in into

00:39:56

it that would give all the dirt on Joe

00:39:59

Biden to win the election like this

00:40:01

absolute crazy but she she gets to

00:40:04

project this this lie to millions and

00:40:07

millions of Americans where they go oh

00:40:09

gosh yeah maybe maybe he did give Putin

00:40:13

the the blueprint on how to attack

00:40:15

Israel five years in the future it it's

00:40:17

it's insane uh speaking of insane uh let

00:40:21

let's go over one more thing and then

00:40:22

I'll get you out on this but um what

00:40:25

what were your thoughts thoughts when

00:40:27

you saw Canadian Parliament uh give two

00:40:31

standing ovations to someone they later

00:40:34

found out was a a a Nazi who fought

00:40:40

against Russia you know so in their

00:40:43

minds they're like oh this guy fought

00:40:44

Russia Russia's bad in the news right

00:40:47

now but they've forgotten that Russia

00:40:49

lost 20 million people killing Hitler uh

00:40:53

what what were your thoughts on that

00:40:55

event yeah I mean obviously it was

00:40:57

outrageous for me and my family got out

00:41:01

of Ukraine before the

00:41:05

Holocaust um and actually before the

00:41:07

pograms that preceded the Holocaust that

00:41:09

were carried out by a figure named Simon

00:41:11

pet petora who is today honored in

00:41:14

Ukraine with um streets and memorials

00:41:16

named after him but here you have uh

00:41:18

yaroslav hunka who is a veteran of the

00:41:21

Waffen SS Galia division being honored

00:41:24

in Canadian Parliament and as soon as

00:41:25

the speaker Anthony Rota who represents

00:41:28

the district that hunka is from declared

00:41:31

that he fought Russia in World War II

00:41:33

was like as soon as he said that I knew

00:41:34

the guy was a Nazi but everybody stood

00:41:37

and cheered which shows the historical

00:41:40

ignorance of the entire Canadian

00:41:42

Parliament including the head of

00:41:44

Canada's military Wayne ire stood and

00:41:47

cheered for a

00:41:48

Nazi Canada fought sent many soldiers to

00:41:51

fight and die against Nazi

00:41:54

Germany so a lot of people were kind of

00:41:57

mystified how could this possibly be and

00:42:00

they tried to

00:42:02

compartmentalize well it was a mistake

00:42:04

and has nothing to do with contemporary

00:42:06

Ukraine or our support for real

00:42:08

neo-nazis there like the AZ of Battalion

00:42:10

which just a week before this ceremony

00:42:12

had published photos of its soldiers

00:42:14

paying tribute by reenacting photographs

00:42:18

of the Waffen SS Galia in the field

00:42:20

reenacting them in the donbass so there

00:42:25

are we supporting neo-nazis today Canada

00:42:28

has supported Neo has supported Nazis

00:42:31

traditionally the one of the people who

00:42:34

is cheering most

00:42:35

loudly for yaroslav hunka you could just

00:42:39

see her like clapping like a seal

00:42:41

waiting for someone to throw her Chum at

00:42:43

SeaWorld was Christia Freeland who is

00:42:45

the second most powerful political

00:42:46

figure in the liberal government of

00:42:48

Canada her grandfather was one of

00:42:51

Hitler's top propagandists in occupied

00:42:54

Poland one of Hitler's top Ukrainian

00:42:57

propagandist his name was Michael chamak

00:42:59

he lived in two apartments that had been

00:43:01

seized from uh Jews he wrote about

00:43:04

stealing the furniture of a guy named

00:43:07

that he called Dr finlin Who had

00:43:09

apparently been sent to the

00:43:10

concentration camps and then he came to

00:43:14

Canada with a wave of ss veterans and

00:43:17

Nazi

00:43:19

supporters uh that where where it was

00:43:23

said um in a 60 minutes report that was

00:43:27

aired I think in

00:43:28

1994 that all you had to do is show the

00:43:31

SS tattoo on your arm to get into Canada

00:43:34

after the war uh escorting him along

00:43:38

this kind of rat line was a guy named

00:43:40

Vladimir kubovich Vladimir kovich who

00:43:43

was his boss in occupied Poland and

00:43:46

worked directly under Ernst gner the

00:43:50

governor Hitler appointed to control the

00:43:53

Galia region of Poland and ovich created

00:43:57

the waffin SS

00:43:59

Galia he worked I mean you know you can

00:44:01

draw a direct line between these guys

00:44:04

and Hitler and kovich help helped set up

00:44:08

the Ukrainian Canadian Congress which is

00:44:10

the main lobbying front for the

00:44:15

Ukrainian diaspora in Canada which is

00:44:18

raising money for the war effort they've

00:44:20

supported five Waffen SS Galia memorials

00:44:23

across Canada there's one in Edmonton

00:44:25

that's just sitting there someone spray

00:44:28

painted Nazi Memorial on it uh two years

00:44:32

ago and they were uh accused of a hate

00:44:35

crime or Canada announced this is a hate

00:44:37

crime until they were forced to

00:44:39

acknowledge it was a Nazi

00:44:41

Memorial and Vladimir kovich who worked

00:44:45

directly under Hitler and then went to

00:44:47

Canada in addition to setting up the

00:44:49

uccc established a special Institute at

00:44:53

the University of Alberta uh raising

00:44:55

half aill million doll ultimately $2

00:44:57

million was plowed into it the UN The

00:45:00

Institute of Ukrainian and Russian

00:45:02

studies that gave Christa Freeland her

00:45:04

first job and helped her get into

00:45:07

journalism she worked for Ukrainian news

00:45:11

sorry Ukrainian weekly which was a

00:45:13

publication that her grandfather Michael

00:45:16

chamak actually once

00:45:18

edited and then it was through

00:45:21

journalism uh which she often would use

00:45:24

as kind of cover for organiz ing for

00:45:26

regime change in UK in Soviet controlled

00:45:29

Ukraine where she worked that she Rose

00:45:31

it found a platform for her political

00:45:33

career so the point is yaroslav hunka

00:45:37

was not isolated at all you have the

00:45:39

Deputy Prime Minister cheering for him

00:45:42

whose own family were Nazis when this

00:45:45

was all exposed about her it was 2017 in

00:45:49

2017 when Freeland was appointed foreign

00:45:51

Min foreign secretary all of this came

00:45:54

out and she initially just lied about it

00:45:56

and said no I had no connection to any

00:45:59

Nazi my grandfather was just a nice guy

00:46:02

and that lie was exposed but there were

00:46:04

no consequences now they're facing the

00:46:07

consequences and we're and the and

00:46:10

everyone who watched is forced to

00:46:12

acknowledge that this is still happening

00:46:14

with us support for the azov Battalion

00:46:17

the Neo-Nazi azov Battalion in Ukraine

00:46:19

that is showing up with us weapons in

00:46:21

the field

00:46:23

yeah well I I never thought I would

00:46:26

covering this stuff right like I I

00:46:28

didn't want to believe that there were

00:46:30

Nazis in

00:46:31

Ukraine um until the evidence was so

00:46:34

strong that I just I I could not ignore

00:46:36

it anymore well uh I I appreciate you

00:46:40

coming on and and helping people

00:46:42

understand like the back history of

00:46:45

Palestine and and all that they are are

00:46:48

still living through and going through

00:46:50

the Israeli situation the potential

00:46:53

escalation with the United States and

00:46:56

Hezbollah and Iran it it's it's crazy

00:46:59

that uh we're in this situation again

00:47:02

but I I appreciate you coming on and and

00:47:05

giving clarification if people want to

00:47:08

follow you or or learn more what's the

00:47:10

best way to do that Max well we're at

00:47:13

the gry zone.com that's gray with an a

00:47:16

uh you can sign up for our newsletter

00:47:18

there uh correspond with me through our

00:47:21

public email account we're on YouTube

00:47:24

although we're kind of blacklisted there

00:47:27

just look up The gry Zone on YouTube on

00:47:30

Twitter I'm Max Blumenthal on Twitter

00:47:32

and uh I really thank you Stephen for

00:47:34

looking at this all with a critical mind

00:47:37

and giving voice to views that were not

00:47:41

going to hear in corporate media yeah

00:47:44

thank you have a great rest of your day

00:47:47

you too

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