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[music]00:00:08
Good afternoon, purely concrete politics00:00:10
has returned after a short break My00:00:12
name is Dmitry Yalovsky I am glad to00:00:14
welcome you and I am glad to welcome00:00:16
Vladimir Borisovich Pastukhov Vladimir00:00:18
Borisovich hello hello00:00:20
Dmitry is glad to see you too00:00:22
Well Let's start with00:00:25
Vladimir Putin's interview with an American a real00:00:28
real American American went to00:00:30
Russia which was followed by the lenses of all00:00:33
propaganda channels Telegram channel00:00:35
bloggers newspapers magazines photojournalist00:00:39
in general came Celebrity of the level of00:00:41
probably Michael Jackson in the early00:00:43
nineties in Moscow Takr Carlson00:00:46
famous TV presenter former journalist of the00:00:49
conservative Republican Fox New00:00:51
came to interview Vladimir00:00:54
Putin Vadi Borisovich How do you like this00:00:56
interview what did you pay attention to00:00:58
what are00:01:03
Elon’s conclusions I come to you first Dmitry question00:01:06
we are having a talk show or a serious00:01:09
conversation You know, it seems to me that you are on a00:01:11
talk show00:01:12
if there was a serious conversation Hurray with00:01:15
Putin then you are definitely on a talk show yes A I’m00:01:18
just in the mood for a serious conversation00:01:20
like Putin, I’ll be the same ass today,00:01:26
understand00:01:28
the last ones. Well, that is, everyone00:01:31
has already shot back and everyone leaves Bali, you00:01:34
can already say and cried and00:01:37
laughed and shed tears and uttered rage and in general,00:01:42
therefore, you can miss everything and I I must00:01:45
say that I listened to it quite carefully,00:01:48
but partly out of necessity00:01:51
because I listened to it on the plane, it00:01:52
pumped me up. He constantly kept telling me the00:01:55
same00:01:56
piece twice, so it was doubly00:01:59
painful, but it00:02:02
allowed me to understand it. I must say that00:02:05
I do not share that point. view that this is some00:02:10
kind of thing that doesn’t00:02:12
have any meaning. But everyone was waiting00:02:15
for him to say something like that, but he did00:02:18
n’t say anything like that, so it’s generally00:02:19
unclear why it00:02:21
was all this. Well, first of all, I didn’t expect anything and I00:02:24
should immediately to say in advance that Putin will not00:02:29
say anything new until he dies,00:02:30
but the Sun will say something new about NM will be written in the00:02:33
obituary. Putin is in a rut in00:02:36
which he will already repeat the same thing in00:02:38
different words with different accents00:02:42
and you just have to get used to it, come to00:02:44
terms with it and expect nothing therefore, it00:02:47
would be strange to generally evaluate this00:02:49
interview by the parameter of whether he said00:02:52
something new, this is the first remark, the00:02:55
second remark from the point00:02:58
of view of the00:03:01
success of the Kremlin, regardless of what00:03:05
was said there and they could have00:03:08
just sat silently in front of00:03:10
the microphone and released it in tte and this is00:03:14
the sun but it would be luck Why Because in00:03:17
fact it’s not about the figure of Putin00:03:21
but the figure of00:03:25
Carson and not even the figure in that situation00:03:29
is happening in the world And in the world, well, everything is in the00:03:33
Western world today there is a very00:03:35
complex process of struggle of the initial00:03:39
narrative of the perception of this war, let's call00:03:42
it the narrative of Cherche00:03:44
and with some kind of second narrative00:03:48
that existed all the time but at the00:03:50
beginning00:03:51
seemed rather insignificant,00:03:55
let's call it00:03:57
Chamberlain's narrative and now this struggle has now00:04:00
come to some very important stage00:04:03
when this second one insignificant00:04:06
It would seem that everyone has beaten the narrative He is00:04:09
preparing to jump out and Yes, it is quite possible to00:04:12
even become00:04:14
dominant because the00:04:18
attitude towards this war is changing, it00:04:21
was stupid to pretend that we do not notice this00:04:24
and the initial00:04:26
position when Russian aggression00:04:29
was perceived as a challenge00:04:32
to the West is gradually giving way to another point of00:04:36
view meaning which is that this is a dispute between the Slavs00:04:39
among themselves Well, in general, in principle,00:04:42
Russia is such a bear that, in00:04:46
principle, lives its own life. Bear Shatun,00:04:50
but it can be brought in on a leash. If00:04:53
desired, and shown to everyone at the fair00:04:56
if it is normal to feed on time. And Ukra is00:04:58
not interested in such a kuso00:05:01
and that’s why Why not00:05:04
feed the Bear to Ukraine, he will00:05:07
be satisfied with that And then he will sit on00:05:10
his leash and everything will be fine That00:05:13
is, it’s00:05:14
kind of pleasant, it’s unpleasant, but this00:05:18
point of view is gaining momentum and it is00:05:22
gaining momentum in America and tram you can00:05:28
consider it Glasha may believe that he is00:05:31
simply expressing this point of view, that he00:05:33
catches this trend and he accelerates it,00:05:36
and in this00:05:38
sense, now this interview is important,00:05:42
not the content, it is functionally important, that00:05:45
is, there is an attempt to intervene in this00:05:47
ideological struggle. Where is the00:05:51
same one actually going on? intense,00:05:53
the same intense battle goes on as00:05:56
under the Avdeevka for every ideological00:05:58
inch,00:06:00
and in these conditions, the cream breaks00:06:04
the blockade Cream breaks the blockade because00:06:07
he gets himself an iconic00:06:11
journalist who00:06:13
is a potentially powerful trigger00:06:17
and some kind of tool that can00:06:20
drown the second narrative for this with this00:06:22
That there is this interview, it’s pointless00:06:24
oniva from the point of view of content Although00:06:26
we’ll talk about00:06:28
here00:06:30
knowledge as in a certain sense of the word00:06:34
for Putin, breaking the blockade This is a breakthrough00:06:37
without shaking hands with an00:06:46
iconic00:06:49
figure, then of course it wouldn’t00:06:58
have been00:07:00
From this it’s impossible to00:07:01
shoot it or not I I don’t00:07:05
know that. I really hope it won’t00:07:07
shoot. But I can’t guarantee that it won’t00:07:10
shoot. This is an attempt00:07:12
to interfere, including,00:07:14
as it were, a second attempt to interfere00:07:18
in the US electoral process. To intervene on00:07:23
Trump’s side, this does not mean that the cream00:07:27
is experiencing the Absolute of illusion,00:07:30
it is already alone. since OBC is on Trump, but he00:07:32
wants to shake up this situation, he00:07:35
certainly wants to play this game,00:07:39
this is an attempt to intervene there and this is an00:07:41
attempt to support this growth,00:07:44
the illusion00:07:47
that to hell with the principles, to hell with the principles00:07:51
Let's come to an agreement Russians Dava00:07:54
Ukraine What is Ukraine, what does it00:07:58
know Americans in Ukraine, why does he00:08:01
need her? This is an attempt to intervene in this00:08:04
fight in the West, so I’m from Nexy, I00:08:08
can’t repeat there after everyone00:08:10
else that let’s there is nothing to00:08:12
listen to, or on the other hand, this is what the00:08:16
elderly Dictator is saying, as Katz wrote00:08:19
or is saying nonsense there is a garage grandfather Well,00:08:23
you see, the problem in the World Cup The problem is00:08:26
that00:08:28
Zhto is still the00:08:31
dominant00:08:32
type in Russian society and this Garage00:08:35
grandfather takes a machine gun in his hands and goes to die in the00:08:38
trenches and Putin00:08:41
is the representative and impressed by the00:08:45
opinions of this collective garage00:08:47
Grandfather and So far this is so we will have to00:08:50
listen to the mutterings of the garage00:08:52
grandfather and00:08:54
listen seriously I will for a second address00:08:57
our viewers and listeners friends00:08:59
once I ask you to like00:09:01
subscribe write comments00:09:03
I suggest you like the moment00:09:04
when you like or seem interested in some00:09:07
thought or statement00:09:08
some kind of judgment Let's then00:09:10
Vladimir Borisovich in more detail about the00:09:13
interview itself What exactly inside it00:09:16
seemed interesting to you I was00:09:18
honestly surprised by such a small00:09:21
excursion into the history of the Russian and00:09:24
Ukrainian people from Rurik to00:09:27
modern days Well, why was it even00:09:30
necessary? in America this is all00:09:31
worrying, as if there was a slight mistake00:09:33
in goal setting. Well, I don’t know, not to mention of00:09:36
course. About the fact that there were some00:09:39
incredible fakes, it means about00:09:41
historical ones about Poland. Yes, which itself00:09:44
provoked victim blaming, as00:09:46
they say now, and as00:09:48
young people say now. Well, about Zelensky’s father, this is00:09:50
probably all over the place, we won’t00:09:52
dwell on this for long.00:09:54
Well, I must say that I00:09:57
really liked about Zelensky, but in a strange00:09:59
way, you remember this wonderful00:10:02
episode in the film Election Day where a00:10:05
group of dentists performs and the actor00:10:10
speaks says Well, now says I00:10:11
want to say about our father00:10:13
Volodka says Although his name was also Volot As he00:10:15
says and we speak with this Volok That00:10:17
is, I I I just when I listened to this00:10:19
episode from me I unfortunately don’t know how to00:10:22
make these clips, you know, I would just00:10:24
combine this piece there from the film with00:10:27
this piece of interview But it’s really00:10:29
funny And if we talk seriously, then if00:10:33
we talk seriously, let’s start with the frivolous00:10:37
from Maxim Galkin, we’ll die congratulations to00:10:42
Makarevich on his anniversary, there was such an00:10:44
episode, very funny and witty. He00:10:47
said that if Well, you believe Valery00:10:50
Nightingale that There are Putin's doubles,00:10:53
well, you have to understand that there are a lot of them then00:10:55
because they are there for different occasions,00:10:57
one for the Academy of Sciences, another for a00:10:59
trip to Dagestan, a third somewhere else00:11:01
here Galkin says, well, you know how they00:11:04
need to be kept somewhere, that is, they need to be00:11:06
somewhere- then hold says and he says00:11:07
Imagine that there is some00:11:09
room where they are going to drink tea00:11:11
there you go there sits there five or six00:11:14
Putin horses are talking to each other00:11:17
discussing something everything is such a spectacle00:11:20
And when I listened to this entire interview00:11:24
I I realized that this is not a metaphor. Well, that is,00:11:26
we really00:11:30
can’t understand all the time that00:11:31
Putin’s doubles if we perceive this. Well,00:11:34
physically, of course, this is such a cool00:11:36
conspiracy theory. But if we perceive00:11:38
metaphysically, this is quite such a00:11:40
serious thing because he has been in power for so long00:11:43
that he is inside himself shared and there seem to be00:11:46
several people living there,00:11:49
like Mark Zakharov, the dragon had three00:11:53
heads, one of them was Sky, one was Japanese,00:11:56
which is scarier than all the others, I00:11:59
actually saw during the interview how00:12:01
three Putins succeeded each other,00:12:03
that is, here is the first00:12:06
Putin, he00:12:10
explains it, in fact, in length in the00:12:12
first part, he is, in general, a sectarian, he is, in00:12:17
general, a sectarian, and he is not even the Master of the00:12:21
Order. But he is such an UNO convert and00:12:25
therefore, as it were, a particularly devout00:12:27
believer, and I was always00:12:32
interested in00:12:34
understanding who they were from whom our00:12:38
Kozlevich and from simple St. Petersburg00:12:42
authority they made a Russian00:12:46
verse and this interview, of course, it00:12:50
opens up, lifts this veil00:12:52
completely. I think that every Epoch will00:12:56
sooner or later get its name,00:12:58
there in China it was like that, the time was00:13:01
written by the gang of four. Yes, the time of the gang of00:13:03
four was there when they led it there after Mau00:13:06
Tung Heirs And I think00:13:10
that our era will be called a gang of historians,00:13:12
that is, I never thought that00:13:14
the profession of history could be so00:13:15
dangerous for society, but it’s absolutely00:13:19
obvious that Putin is under the00:13:22
colossal influence of several people00:13:26
who in general, let’s put it00:13:31
this way, Vova brought him what -it’s an00:13:34
incredible taste for this matter and to00:13:36
formulate his mythological consciousness and00:13:40
it’s surprising that during00:13:43
this interview he gave a lot of direct00:13:46
borrowings that generally pointed00:13:49
to sources of inspiration. Well, for example, there00:13:51
were a lot of references00:13:54
to Mikhail Valentinovich00:13:57
Kovalchuk, that is, when he says00:14:00
that this is the creation of special people,00:14:04
that is, I saw for the first time that Putin00:14:07
refers directly to these00:14:10
conspiracy theories of Kovalchuk. That00:14:12
is, this means that it00:14:14
was said more than once, it seemed to be stuck in00:14:16
Moscow. That is, he actually comes to him and00:14:18
tells it. everything and Putin00:14:21
perceives a00:14:23
lot of it. Of course, there are a lot of references.00:14:29
That is, I get the idea00:14:33
that we don’t have a very good idea of00:14:37
Putin’s life schedule, we think that he00:14:40
sits there with Shoigu Gerasim from morning to evening00:14:45
and plans military operations. By the way, I00:14:48
think that, unlike00:14:50
Zelensky is really much less00:14:52
involved in these military processes and to a00:14:55
greater extent gave them to the military science and00:14:58
well, basically he resolves only collisions00:15:01
like those that were then with the00:15:04
surrender of Kherson when he resolved the00:15:06
conflict between Surovikino there and others,00:15:10
but he really spends a lot of time00:15:14
with00:15:15
this circle of sectarian historians who00:15:19
format his consciousness. That is, this was the00:15:21
first Putin, it was important for him00:15:24
to speak out. And by the way, in fact, it is00:15:25
very difficult to control him. You see,00:15:28
no matter what they say, you think that it00:15:30
was planned so that he would come from00:15:33
Rurik from Adam and Eva No, it’s like this is00:15:37
his attempt.00:15:39
Well, he thinks it’s important to convey, he doesn’t00:15:44
understand, everyone there is interesting, it’s00:15:46
American, it’s interesting to him, you understand,00:15:49
it’s interesting, he lives by it now,00:15:52
by the way, for me, the interview was quite00:15:54
important because I would00:15:56
recommend it to everyone finding time to watch this is00:15:59
not in order to learn something new,00:16:01
you understand, we must understand what is00:16:03
happening to us, what awaits us there, these00:16:06
details are important. That is, he lives by this00:16:10
now and he spoke with pleasure, as00:16:12
if not in order to make an00:16:16
impression there He needed to speak out and00:16:19
this is the first head of his kind, a00:16:21
head that was00:16:25
not actually conceived with his own obvious ideas,00:16:29
it’s kind of dominant, it00:16:33
was given quite a lot of opportunity to talk. And00:16:36
by the way, it’s obvious that there is a very narrow circle of00:16:39
people who support the family because the00:16:42
phraseological coincidence of a00:16:46
recent interview is amazing Vorontsova and him and And00:16:50
why is my ear trained, it00:16:52
always picks out these basic00:16:55
key phrases,00:16:57
we focus on the character of Russian00:17:01
culture. For her, it sounded like such a00:17:04
strange, rather incomprehensible piece, and for00:17:07
him, it sounded like the same strange piece and00:17:09
literally in the same expressions.00:17:11
This means that as in the first day of spring there00:17:16
between the slot and that general says00:17:18
So we feed from the same canteen,00:17:20
which means they are fed by the same ideological00:17:23
canteen, that is, both here and there,00:17:26
some people write texts in a00:17:29
family contract This is Putin’s daughter, but00:17:31
if someone understood our00:17:35
viewers further the second head appears in the middle of00:17:38
the interview,00:17:39
this is an offended head, that is, an00:17:42
offended head.00:17:43
It’s not simple and it also appeared here,00:17:46
but again, who didn’t see something new? But I saw something00:17:49
new. You see, this image00:17:52
of the Barbarian is true, someone already00:17:55
wrote it. He really associates it00:17:59
with a barbarian and the West. with Rum Rome and he has00:18:04
a grudge against this Rome, the West is like a grudge against a00:18:08
Barbarian who is used to living according to the concepts00:18:10
and in a sense,00:18:17
he is more naive and00:18:21
more honest with his primitive tribal aggressive concepts, if I may say so, of his00:18:25
desire to kill there to share the spoils00:18:28
only with the strong, that is, all00:18:32
this potential of the primitive romno00:18:36
culture, he With all this, he has00:18:38
this positive feature He is so00:18:41
frank, he is00:18:43
frank, he does not hide his00:18:45
violent essence, he00:18:48
assumes that his partners should00:18:50
respond with the same frankness But00:18:52
in his mind, he was constantly00:18:55
thrown because00:18:57
of the00:19:01
CC00:19:03
some procedures of civilization00:19:07
that they play with as they please,00:19:10
which is actually true and that’s why he00:19:15
really believes that according to the concepts00:19:18
they are wrong. And you know what’s the funniest thing00:19:22
about Tony Dest, according to the concepts of wrong, they do00:19:27
n’t live according to00:19:29
the concepts, and he doesn’t live according to the concepts00:19:32
he knows how and he wants to really sincerely00:19:34
destroy this deceitful world. Not conceptual00:19:37
because in his mind this00:19:39
world of violence is much more honest and00:19:42
better. And this moment he has always had00:19:46
this moment of resentment, but he has never00:19:48
been brought to this feeling of his00:19:52
uh identity with some atilos00:19:57
which00:19:59
adj and whom the consuls threw at him at some00:20:03
negotiations00:20:05
Threw him for money and for00:20:09
land, this was like the second chapter00:20:15
and here it is clear that this resentment is00:20:17
deepening, what00:20:19
is it if, as if his brain is now00:20:23
completely fooled, then his her soul is00:20:27
bathed in this feeling of resentment and revenge,00:20:31
he will no longer be able to escape from this. And if he00:20:33
does not escape, then he will not escape at all, and00:20:36
finally the most interesting thing for me is00:20:39
actually As they say, for the sake of this00:20:41
word, everything was written, this was really the00:20:44
last about 10 minutes00:20:47
interview in general, here he appears for00:20:49
real How is that Kill the dragon burn00:20:53
says the third head She says the most00:20:54
terrible, that is, here the00:20:56
former absolutely sober rational00:20:59
Putin appears here, this is how he sat there in the00:21:03
waiting room at Sobchak and00:21:11
security forces,00:21:13
authorities, representatives of scientific00:21:16
communities, businessmen came to him and so he was sitting and00:21:19
driving. That is, he is such a breeder,00:21:23
this breeder00:21:25
whose brain works00:21:28
almost like a00:21:30
quantum one, who is looking for a way out, he is00:21:33
great, this is the third chapter. She is00:21:36
perfectly aware of what00:21:38
she has gotten herself into00:21:40
and she is feverishly looking for a way out of this00:21:44
situation, she wants put some00:21:46
end to it, but she wants to put an end to it on00:21:48
her own terms, and here she sparkles,00:21:52
trying to convey a signal, trying to convey a00:21:55
signal to that part,00:21:59
here I agree with Benedict of the American00:22:01
elite, which00:22:05
may come with Trump, this is00:22:08
the Signal, well, if we agree, I00:22:10
won’t throw it again, I’ll throw it again I won’t throw it at me, that is,00:22:13
as if I don’t need much, but in Uvata00:22:17
my interests are here and there, as they say, we00:22:20
take the northern seaport, we00:22:23
leave the oil depot, our gas stations are00:22:27
yours, and00:22:29
so, but the question is that he doesn’t understand00:22:33
that no one believes him, but but but he this00:22:37
suggests Here this part was00:22:40
extremely interesting because it00:22:44
shows that he understands everything, he00:22:48
actually understands everything Well, that’s interesting.00:22:51
What do you think was the reaction00:22:54
of the person who, apparently,00:22:56
sent Da Tucker to00:22:59
Russia, what about Mr. Trump may think about this in everything.00:23:04
And you understand, I believe that00:23:08
firstly, the reaction there is always positive in any00:23:11
case,00:23:12
that is, on an emotional00:23:14
level, because they are psychologically and00:23:19
ethically, which is very important. They are of the same00:23:23
blood. Well, we have some00:23:26
completely illusory ideas00:23:29
often about the West they have nothing to do00:23:33
with reality they are literary00:23:35
they are carried out there00:23:38
for years of our internal reflections about00:23:41
what is somewhere00:23:43
But what about where it is better where we are not there you00:23:46
understand we were not in the West for some00:23:48
time therefore it was better there and00:23:51
we have a certain idea of the West00:23:54
as a certain place where laws prevail,00:23:59
where there is an unconditionally working00:24:02
democracy. Where people of principles live. And00:24:06
this is the same, well, living Society in which00:24:09
there is a constant struggle, there is a constant00:24:12
struggle of violence, non-violence, the truth of lies,00:24:16
meanness and00:24:18
honesty, and there00:24:20
the scale is simply different often it’s just that00:24:24
the struggle ends there with a slightly different00:24:26
result, but with us it’s in the other direction, but there00:24:30
are a huge number of people there00:24:34
who use the same practices as00:24:37
Putin worships these practices, but00:24:40
they just have evolutionary limitations00:24:42
so that they have more00:24:43
limitations than Putin But there is no significant00:24:47
difference there is no between them, I have already00:24:49
told more than once that when I00:24:54
moved to the West and in general at00:24:58
some point in my00:25:00
life I00:25:02
had a lawyer’s00:25:04
practice and there and00:25:09
[music]00:25:10
I encountered some kind of cognitive00:25:14
problem with those Russian clients00:25:17
who began to solve their problems in the00:25:20
legal system of Great Britain00:25:24
and a Russian person moves there, he00:25:28
arrives next in stock, he believes00:25:33
that in general to lie in Russia, to lie00:25:37
in court in general, well, I don’t know how, well, it’s00:25:40
something simpler But in personal relationships00:25:44
in personal relationships it’s harder because00:25:47
Well, it’s like we have a lie there in our own00:25:51
circle, in our positive circle, it’s00:25:53
perceived poorly by such a person, as00:25:56
if they know him, isolates him, in general, it’s like it’s00:25:59
not according to concepts. But to lie to00:26:01
the state. What is the state?00:26:05
Lord, this is an alien appendage, it was00:26:10
created for this purpose in order to lie there, to be00:26:11
cunning, to bypass the Russian bridge in general in this sense,00:26:13
crime and when These people00:26:16
end up on the territory of the West Well, I00:26:19
won’t talk about the whole West, I won’t talk about00:26:20
the piece that I observed,00:26:25
they try to do exactly the same and in the00:26:28
end, Well, they find themselves in a very00:26:31
difficult situation position Why00:26:32
Because it’s the opposite formula because00:26:35
lies in private life here are no00:26:39
less if not more than in Russia,00:26:40
you know, RVS once wrote about00:26:44
Great Britain, an unpopular novel in this00:26:46
country A novel is not a foresight but an island of the00:26:51
Pharisees Well, somehow it’s not true Great Britain really loves this novel by a00:26:55
Nobel laureate,00:27:00
but lies, public lies, especially in an00:27:05
institute in court, are severely punishable, and00:27:08
our people, as it were, fall00:27:11
for this fork all the time, so when you00:27:13
ask me about Trump, that is, for00:27:15
me, Trump is the same Putin but seemingly00:27:17
grown under different conditions, that is, the00:27:20
same seed but planted in a completely different00:27:23
soil. Therefore, they have no problem in the00:27:27
relationship, by the way, there00:27:31
is no particular problem that will arise next00:27:37
that Trump Trump Believes that he will00:27:42
negotiate with only one head,00:27:44
with that third one, which I designated as00:27:46
this head of the St. Petersburg authority, but00:27:50
in00:27:51
reality he will have to talk to00:27:53
all three heads with the head of Orma, ideas,00:27:58
and the head of a deeply offended Barbarian,00:28:02
and that’s why he thinks that he00:28:06
will have a conversation, he’s a normal00:28:08
Builder, such a prora, you understand00:28:09
the swear word00:28:10
who broke up with whom? And he00:28:14
thinks that he will have a conversation like at the00:28:17
construction site of some hotel in00:28:19
Las Vegas, where he left everyone at all Nara00:28:22
with someone, chose a strong one,00:28:25
made an agreement with him, but it won’t work out for him and00:28:28
then Trump will be offended. And the00:28:32
offended Trump will rely on a00:28:35
state that is a little more00:28:37
powerful than the one that00:28:39
Putin can rely on. Therefore,00:28:43
now they, as they say, have the perception that they are00:28:45
planning a honeymoon, you know,00:28:49
preparing for the wedding, but then it’s like00:28:53
sweat grandma00:28:56
scat like as if Rich is ending, let's00:28:59
talk about Nadezhdin, in00:29:01
fact, for example, Dmitry from the Upper Upper00:29:05
Sauda from the city Upper Sauda asks00:29:08
Sauda Forgive me again, I was mistaken00:29:10
Dmitry already wrote to me separately with00:29:12
an emphasis Dmitry Sorry Upper Sauda Nadezhdin00:29:16
will be punished after00:29:18
the elections Well, look how he behaves Povet,00:29:22
you know, they will reward00:29:24
That is, for now, look, so far Nadezhdin00:29:30
himself has not done anything bad to the Kremlin,00:29:32
he behaves absolutely within the00:29:34
rules. I have already said more than once that I00:29:36
don’t see any difference between reliable and00:29:39
Sobko, there is such an00:29:43
interest here. Yes, and Sobchak, Yes, excuse me,00:29:45
please, I just haven’t changed my mind00:29:47
With00:29:50
the previous one, you understand, there is such a00:29:52
theatrical principle called the00:29:54
king's game of00:29:56
retinue,00:29:58
you can show that you are the king. Well, you can00:30:01
inflate a long00:30:03
distance from the first row and he will also see that00:30:06
you are inflated,00:30:08
but you can’t see it from the slide.00:30:11
Well,00:30:14
of course, you can vibrate somehow with your voice,00:30:17
but there are certain restrictions and it00:30:21
would be00:30:26
disgraceful to approach him in a certain00:30:29
position, they seem to00:30:31
single him out with their behavior and00:30:35
therefore everyone understands that since everyone for some00:30:38
reason walks and bows in relation to one thing,00:30:41
it means this is the most00:30:42
important thing here on stage because otherwise00:30:44
if only we wouldn’t bow. That’s why they say the00:30:46
king is played by the retinue00:30:48
and the candidate plays by the00:30:52
egra,00:30:56
this isn’t even an excess of the performer, but00:31:01
this is an excess of00:31:04
the environment, so the stars aligned, so00:31:07
the circumstances developed00:31:09
that in some century in a00:31:13
small segment the Russian position00:31:16
in its liberal00:31:18
segment was more or less formed a00:31:21
consensus00:31:22
that led to the fact that they did not play00:31:27
against Nadezhdin, regardless of the00:31:29
attitude towards him, but began to play with00:31:32
Nadezhdino, they decided to use Nadezhdin,00:31:35
that is, it turned out Well, in a00:31:39
sense, they outplayed the administration by one step,00:31:41
that is, the administration00:31:43
wanted to use Nadezhda in their00:31:46
fight against the opposition for in order to at00:31:48
least present it in a generally00:31:50
insignificant and ridiculous00:31:53
light, that is, to show that yes, in Russia00:31:57
there are such strange people who00:31:59
oppose the war, but there are00:32:02
absolutely few of these people, they are insignificant and pathetic,00:32:05
they can’t say anything except some00:32:07
incomprehensible words and in the end00:32:10
they get their00:32:12
2.5% there. Which means that this only00:32:15
emphasizes the00:32:16
unity of the people who are all for Putin and00:32:20
for the war, but it turned out that the position in00:32:23
this case, well, the position in this case was a false move00:32:30
and said let’s, as it were, let’s all be00:32:34
independent from the fact that we are about him00:32:35
we think we will support him and the people heard it,00:32:39
and since this turned out to be almost the00:32:42
only valve that did not00:32:43
legislate, then a movement arose and this00:32:48
movement00:32:49
arose, it00:32:56
would have completely satisfied him if they had00:32:59
quietly collected signatures quietly00:33:01
registered him quietly, he would have ridden around00:33:05
like an actor with something Som there around the country00:33:09
said something like that,00:33:10
uh, without attracting special attention to himself, he00:33:13
would have quietly received his00:33:15
2.5% and then converted it either into00:33:18
some position or into money or into a00:33:21
permanent media presence Well, I00:33:23
would have found something there in what good00:33:25
he says Would exchange for something good Yeah,00:33:30
but it didn’t go quite that way, he was00:33:34
given such disastrous help00:33:38
and as00:33:40
a result a situation arose in which it00:33:43
became clear that if he was left, if00:33:45
he was left, then the movement wouldn’t stop,00:33:48
you know, the movement wouldn’t00:33:51
stop, but could Whether he can control it is00:33:55
also unclear, so they pressed the stop00:33:57
screen and merged00:34:01
it. Therefore, then everything will depend on00:34:04
his own00:34:06
behavior. Will00:34:09
he somehow00:34:16
imitate a protest against this decision, which is00:34:19
absolutely naturally00:34:21
illegal,00:34:23
or will he really try, as00:34:27
we said at the very beginning he has00:34:29
the dilemma of the actor Bubentsov, that is, what is he00:34:32
doing now? That is, he will file an00:34:35
insignificant00:34:36
complaint to the court, which we all00:34:41
understand perfectly well. How it will end and that’s where he will00:34:43
disappear, he will say Well, that’s it, I did everything I00:34:46
could or he will tell his parties What I do00:34:49
n’t believe will say that people Go out into the00:34:51
street to protest against an00:34:54
unjust man, if he limits himself to00:34:58
filing a complaint Well, why should he be punished?00:35:01
Well, the one who invented him should be punished,00:35:04
and not him, he’s the performer, we have 500:35:08
minutes until the end of our broadcast today00:35:10
Let’s ask questions from the audience and Let’s try this00:35:12
were sick less in this mode,00:35:15
to look at them closely means Larisa asks from00:35:19
Bashkortostan And what do you think is the00:35:21
worst scenario for the development of Russia in the00:35:23
next 30 years, meaning00:35:25
realistic without black swans and with00:35:27
Putin’s accompanying luck, where do you00:35:29
think it will take place in 30 years00:35:31
border of Russia Thank you and with great00:35:34
respect. Well, it seems to me that00:35:35
realistic and without black swans are00:35:37
like contradictory things,00:35:39
but the floor is yours. Well,00:35:42
look, the worst if you take00:35:44
the perspective of 30 years, the worst scenario00:35:47
is the one that today many00:35:55
desire for00:35:58
the collapse of Russia00:36:01
and the formation in this00:36:03
place of such authoritarian00:36:09
totalitarian a number of small00:36:12
Sultans gravitating towards different00:36:15
civilizational platforms that are in00:36:17
extremely hostile relations with each other00:36:24
and within each of which00:36:27
further decay and00:36:29
destruction of Russian culture will occur. That is, this is a00:36:32
scenario that is theoretically possible,00:36:35
it will be all the more likely The longer00:36:39
this era of the00:36:41
second Russian stagnation continues, you know, there was a00:36:44
big Ice Age and there was a little00:36:47
Ice Age. There was a big00:36:51
Brezhnev stagnation and now a second such00:36:55
stagnation under Putin, which leads to the fact00:36:59
that unresolved internal00:37:03
contradictions simply00:37:05
destroy the perspective, that is, for me00:37:07
the worst scenario00:37:09
is a crisis, a split in the00:37:13
Elite,00:37:15
centrifugal tendencies of00:37:18
the formation of a dozen small students from one guy,00:37:25
the question of the vacillation that is now00:37:27
observed in American politics, the00:37:30
management of the country. This is a normal00:37:31
phenomenon for the States that will soon pass00:37:33
or the end of the era of00:37:36
US supremacy in the world awaits us, well, as00:37:38
Putin actually says Well, listen, I was even very00:37:41
uncomfortable; when I heard Putin,00:37:44
I somehow even felt a little offended.00:37:47
Well, because about two weeks before00:37:49
that I wrote the phrase that he00:37:52
said. I hope he wasn’t referring to me,00:37:57
but I wrote it00:37:59
earlier, that00:38:01
is00:38:04
the process of reducing the00:38:06
dominance of the West is an objective00:38:09
process that no one can00:38:11
stop. That is, this is a historical00:38:13
process of equalizing, let’s say, the role of the00:38:17
West in the growth of other00:38:21
platforms. The question now is the00:38:25
timing of controllability. That is, it will be a00:38:29
controlled and extended process over some00:38:32
time which00:38:35
will00:38:36
raise others they00:38:39
will somehow coordinate the centers of power and somewhere00:38:41
together crawl into some new00:38:44
rules of the game or it00:38:47
will be a sharp uncontrollable breakdown00:38:52
that will lead, well, in one form or another00:38:55
to a00:38:57
major00:39:00
war,00:39:02
that’s why I didn’t support Putin, I think00:39:05
that this is Captain Obviousness, the kind00:39:08
that anyone can say regarding the00:39:10
sleepy States of America, well, for me,00:39:13
the state that is happening there is a00:39:14
naturally abnormal state and let’s00:39:17
say it takes us back00:39:23
to the years, then there is the Vietnam War, that00:39:29
is, from that00:39:31
moment on. It seems to me that there is00:39:34
no such tension as now in America was00:39:37
That is, this does not mean that nothing00:39:38
like this happened in America in America and00:39:40
there was a civil war, which means that if it00:39:42
happened once, it could happen again,00:39:46
but at the same time, over the last 5000:39:53
years, such a situation has not arisen and the00:39:56
situation is dangerous because it calls00:39:59
into question the normal functioning of00:40:02
those constitutional democratic00:40:04
institutions that have somehow worked there for 200 years,00:40:07
and now there is00:40:11
a threat, a resident of Minsk asks us00:40:13
about the upcoming electoral events on the00:40:15
territory of the Russian Federation, we need00:40:18
advice on what to do now from an anti-war00:40:21
anti-war SRO for a citizen of the00:40:23
Russian Federation on election days00:40:28
Well, probably in this00:40:31
situation it00:40:33
is logical in this case to join00:40:36
that only legally left00:40:39
action, come to the police station in coordination with all00:40:42
other anti-war leaders00:40:46
and then proceed according to your00:40:48
conscience. But in this case, if00:40:52
I had gone there I probably would have just spoiled00:40:54
the newsletter but00:40:57
it’s00:40:58
like this if there00:41:01
adj If there is a00:41:03
desire to somehow express yourself then people are00:41:07
different here there is a position you can say00:41:11
that I don’t participate in some IGH but00:41:15
someone can Well, there is a need to00:41:18
actively express yourself then you need to go00:41:20
take part in this action Well, you know00:41:23
how someone has a soul for something00:41:26
thank you thank you Vladimir Borisovich we00:41:29
are ending our broadcast friends I will see00:41:31
you in a week at the same place at the00:41:34
same time Ladi Borisovich Thank you for the00:41:36
conversation and all the best Thank you00:41:38
very much Everything Everything00:41:44
[music]00:41:48
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