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visiloton slows down clouding of the
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cataracts and it continues this special
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broadcast, friends. Thank you to everyone who stays with
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be active on the Internet on our
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pages now let's return to
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this story again with the terrorist attack near Moscow, the
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concert concert hall Krokuus City,
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that's what it's called, well, a lot of
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fakes have already appeared
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around this event, will it have
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political consequences, and will it affect
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Russia as a whole, on the attitude towards
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power in the Kremlin, this is also one of the issues, so
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we will discuss it with Pyotr Oleschuk, he is a
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political scientist who is already in touch with us.
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Greetings, good day. Good day.
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moments, yes, there really are victims about their
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number, I already reported above,
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the information can be updated, it can
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change, but what we have seen since
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yesterday is such a constant
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attempt to blame everything on Kyiv
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and the official Ukrainian authorities,
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although this information appeared on CNN
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the day before that the
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representatives of the Islamic
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state take responsibility. Why are the Russians so persistently
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pedaling this topic with the Ukrainians and the
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Ukrainian
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trail, you know, there is actually
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quite an interesting situation there, I
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followed all
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this, let's say so gradually and slowly, how this
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whole situation in the information space of
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Russia
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actually unfolded initially
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Russian eyes, all the propagandists, they
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obviously did not have any clear
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ideas and therefore were in no hurry to make
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any relevant statements and, apparently,
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somewhere in the morning they began to
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receive them and began to voice them quite en masse, despite the fact
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that at night just then
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more information came in that
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confirmed what Actually,
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they spoke in Ukraine and in the West, that is,
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once again, the official representatives of Russia
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confirmed that this
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was the information about possible terrorist attacks by the
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United States, that the United
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States had warned, and this was indeed
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confirmed.
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this information was
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not
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denied, then information appeared
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again about the perpetrators of this
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terrorist attack. All of them are there. As far as I understand, the
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official suspects at the moment are
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citizens of Uzbekistan, and somewhere
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just a few hours ago, Russia began
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to promote the topic. What is
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Ukraine involved here anyway? The FSB began to
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officially accuse Ukraine of this,
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information appeared, the date, let's say.
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Maybe someone in the audience missed this moment,
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so the head of the FSB, Alexander
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Bortnikov, reported to Putin about the detention of
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11 people, in particular, how he says all
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four terrorists who allegedly
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directly participated in the terrorist attack and
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all these 11
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people do they have connections or contacts here it
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was said contacts in Ukraine what does this
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mean contacts in Ukraine and does it
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work like that even if it is an idol What
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are some Islamists there They still
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have a number in the phone book I don't know
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to whom To someone from Ukraine with the number
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p38 is
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exactly the number of Yarosh Well, for example, this is the
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version that is already popular this morning. Yes,
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look again, there they are, there is such an
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interesting moment in this whole version, what does it mean that
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they are on this very
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legendary
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And legendary this most legendary
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car
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oh with strange numbers oh they
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planned to drive 400 or more
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kilometers on it to the border, more or less, they
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drove 400 km, that is, they planned to
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reach the Ukrainian-Russian border
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on this mobile and cross this
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border, which is actually closed, on
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which hostilities are constantly ongoing in the
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Bryansk region. Well, this to put it mildly, it does not
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add to this version, you know, the
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objectivity of the probability, yes,
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the probability, yes, but I just think that
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they will invent and engage in
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various attributions. I did not
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have the slightest doubts about this, such is the
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nature of their regime, but I was
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interested other than that, and to that point, another
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thing, such changes have taken place in the versions,
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apparently, somewhere in the morning, a
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political decision was already made in the Kremlin that
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we will push everything on Ukraine, that is,
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they probably thought before this that it
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would be more profitable for them to accept
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this version from
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idil But why not work out the
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topic What is Ukraine's fault here and obviously
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somewhere in the morning a
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political decision appeared, and without a political decision,
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neither the FSB nor the propagandists could
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somehow formulate their attitude to what was
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happening in this way. So I am honest saying, I think that
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this decision was probably
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influenced by another successful attack
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on the relevant Russian oil and natural
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facilities there in the Samara region, in particular, there
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was an attack on another oil
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refinery. I think that the Russians are probably about Well,
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you have to understand that for the Russians this is all very,
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very
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painful about the sanctions The SBU, what can we
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call them? They have already, in principle, knocked out more than
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10% of Russian oil refining and the process
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continues, and as it turns out, these sanctions,
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the sanctions of Ukraine, the sanctions of the Ukrainian
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special services of the SBU, thanks to these very drones,
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they turned out to be much more painful
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for Russia than any international
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sanctions limiting the ceiling prices and the
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like because they really work. And
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here we see what hysteria
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about these attacks is already unfolding in
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Russia. I suspect that the Russians will
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try, you know, somehow, to
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use all this in order to promote theses
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through their hired
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propagandists in the West about some kind of
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terrorist nature of Ukraine, but it's
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just a question. How can this be
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technically connected, that is, the attacks on
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the oil refinery and the next drone near Samara, this
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time after the Americans allegedly
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forbade Ukraine to use
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this tactic, we discussed it in the previous part,
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and that is, this It's like one
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story and what happened in the City step,
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even if you follow this sick
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Russian logic. Well, how is it
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connected? That is, you are an excuse.
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you can connect everything there or
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try to connect it here, to be honest, I ca
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n't imagine it either, but the fact that
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they will work on this topic, I have
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absolutely no doubt about it, and
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Propaganda, what is it based on, or
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any Propaganda Propaganda - it is
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always an appeal not to facts but to
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emotions, that's why this terrorist
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attack in the Moscow region is
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such an emotional background against the background of which you
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can always, you know, increase the
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degree of emotional load of emotional
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tension from someone Look at
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how many people were killed by some terrorists there
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this is all a terrorist attack and the like, a
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terrorist attack, a terrorist threat.
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And we know
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how in the West, in the countries of Western Europe, in the
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United States, how painful they
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perceive it all, because they have their
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own relevant experience, and you know that,
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such a convenient mechanism is enough to
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try to attract, accordingly, the Western
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audience in order to
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influence them through the emotional pressure
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of the terrorist attacks,
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another interesting moment, which, you know, has
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been ignored, is
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the address announced tonight by Vladimir
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Putin, they say it was supposed to be an emergency,
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it was supposed to be precisely dictated by
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these actions near Moscow and then with there was a
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refutation that
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a number of agencies are simply
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Russian, meaning they simply
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misunderstood, i.e. no
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address, no speech was prepared and
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therefore it will not be, well, but it is difficult to
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imagine in the conditions of total control over the
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media in general over the information
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space that Someone made a mistake, that is, was
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this
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address of Vladimir Putin really being prepared, what could it have been
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in it, and why was it withdrawn, if so,
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if so,
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I have no doubt that it was really prepared, I have
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no doubt that it was really withdrawn,
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they don’t have such accidents, you know what’s up
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someone reported incorrectly, if
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someone had reported incorrectly, he would
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not have worked there by now. No, I have no doubt that
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they were just preparing, probably
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Putin still could not decide for
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himself politically, so how is it all politically
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more profitable for him personally to
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present or should he, for
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example, join the
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version that was made public in the west and things.
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And this version, in fact, politically, it
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could open up certain
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additional opportunities for him, because in this
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way it would be possible to appeal that we have a
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common enemy with the west and the like, and in
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this way try to somehow
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restore diplomatic relations, and
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why is this happened By the way, this is an absolutely
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brilliant version, it’s interesting, you understand, we
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blow off the issue of Ukraine and start
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talking about the external challenge, about
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Idol, about all this,
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but you see, I have the feeling that
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Putin was thinking about it all night, which option
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is better and in the morning anyway I still decided that we are
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not continuing the old line Ukraine, the war of
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confrontation with the West immediately after
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such a political decision, political
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decisions in Russia are made only by him
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personally after such a political
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decision has already been made, the
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secret agents of the FSB accuse Ukraine,
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they find a Ukrainian trail,
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and so on, that is, it is obvious that
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Putin seriously considered for some time whether it is
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worth making a corresponding
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somersault or whether it would be more profitable, but
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nevertheless
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decided that no, we continue the old line,
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we continue the confrontation with the
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West regarding the emergence of iidil in general, so
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let's say in the media in this story,
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maybe even distancing ourselves from Russia
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or this will have some kind of additional
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continuation, because during the last
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time, even in the last years, we have not heard
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so many reports of any
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information about their activities of any kind,
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and that is, the impression that this
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organization has simply
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exhausted itself, and here suddenly victims of
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Moscow, weapons and the Islamic State
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No, I think that their absence in the
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information space
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was explained by the fact that from that time, when the Islamic State
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dominated the information space,
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everything changed very much in the world, and the
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world has not known for the best,
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and terrorism in this world has become much more dangerous
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has become a fairly commonplace thing, therefore, against the
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background of all these constant shocking news,
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indeed, things have somehow receded into the
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background, but the fact that someone goes into the Shadow does
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not mean that he simply disappears for the
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majority of the audience in the West if Well,
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there is no special difference between
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various Islamists and they are
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enough no, they do not particularly delve into
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the fact that these can be quite different
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groups, and that they
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can be at odds with each other, and that there they have
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quite complicated
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relations, again, among themselves, and there,
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in fact, there is, you know,
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no single Islamic terrorist of terrorism,
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led by some there is a single leader, a
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single center, various groups,
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each of which has its own goals,
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and again, not all of them
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are currently friendly to one
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or another regime, including the
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Russian
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regime, but again, the world is
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changing to a place where terrorism is,
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again, quite an everyday thing and the
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most important thing. a
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large
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state that, unfortunately,
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has not yet received the status of a state sponsor
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of terrorism, and this state is called
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Russia, and here are all the various
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terrorist organizations, they usually
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carry risks of danger, they
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commit terrible crimes, but they I don't
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know what the specific percentage is, but they
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committed a very small percentage of the
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crimes against humanity that
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terrorist Russia has already committed, and this seems to me to be a
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fact. Petro Oleschuk, let me remind you that we are in
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touch with a political scientist.
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they say about the military meaning of their operation that in this way
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they foiled a new offensive of Russia on
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Ukraine, this statement appeared within a week,
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it belongs to the representative of the unit,
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Alexander Baranovsky, according to him, the
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Russian army planned to conduct a new
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offensive before the so-called elections, or there
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imitation of elections, and the inauguration of
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Vladimir Putin, they influenced them,
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let's say, on these plans. In this way, entering the
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territory of the Russian
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Federation and having some settlements there under control
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regarding the subjectivity of this currently
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military group, what is its
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perspective, can it grow
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into some kind of political or can we say
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otherwise let's say whether a
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political wing can appear in this group. And what is
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needed for this, I think of course it can appear.
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Moreover, in principle, the leaders of this
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group were originally
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and remain politicians. Therefore, it is essentially a
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political
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movement. It is clear that at the moment we
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we cannot talk about any
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corresponding high level of support. But
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everything can change simply because the RDK is
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currently showing Russians an
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alternative way of opposing the Putin
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regime. It is difficult to say how many
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people in Russia are currently preparing to oppose
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this regime and how much, again,
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they
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are aware of what kind of regime it is, but all the same, there are
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obviously such people. And until recently, there
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was such a scumbag, who was
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indicated by the same Navalnoj and other
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representatives of the liberal opposition that we are holding
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peaceful actions there, we are waiting there for
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some appropriate transit
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to begin. It is obvious that with the death of
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Navalnoj, the Russian authorities
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closed transit issues, if Putin
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sent a signal to the whole world, guys, don’t
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expect any transits, I
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will sit here until my death and then I will
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pass everything to my heir and
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nothing will change, well, in principle, such a message
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was also in such a situation, you know, in the
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conditions of the strengthening of autocracy in Russia Well, what are
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some other methods of anti-conflict regimes
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besides the power regimes? It is not
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left on the other side of the eyes. All the raids of
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the attack demonstrate, including the
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fact that the regime is not so much
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reinforced concrete, powerful as it is. Someone is
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trying to
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present the regime at the moment as a
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serious enough entanglement in the war. against
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Ukraine, mobilizing all available resources for this particular war
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and hoping that if
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they push a little more, they
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will get the result they want, but
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this actually opens up many
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opportunities for opposing this regime,
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including verbal opposition within
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Russia itself, and well, you see what
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what is happening inside Russia is also
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interesting, because actually if we talk
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about it as a certain alternative vision,
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I can say it out loud, but let there be another
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Russia, because they declared a different flag there
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that they want to approve,
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and so on.
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people who
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could theoretically
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consider it, at least in their thoughts, that is,
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at least I am not talking about active actions,
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at least to support these people there ideologically,
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and here there is the factor of Yulia Navalny
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and this so-called opposition, which
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offers everyone to gather at 12 o'clock or
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there once every 15 or 15 minutes. More precisely, a
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day. Somehow, I don’t know how to counter
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Putin. It’s not known in what way, that is,
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in fact, it’s about such a
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blur. Yes, it’s a blur. Well, it’s not for
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nothing that Putin himself thanked them
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personally, so well done, they helped
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mobilize people to participate in the elections.
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Well, yes, it’s true, but as for me, in
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general, this
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12-day collection campaign is simply some
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incredible peak of idiocy in the world to
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confront an
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absolutely undemocratic regime that completely
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falsifies everything by
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coming to the polling stations of this
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regime, and not only in Russia itself, but
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for within the borders of Russia, it's just some kind of
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incredible idiocy, in my opinion, but that's what
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they're doing, and really,
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you know what their main problem is
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that they don't do anything themselves, but at the
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same time, they give some false hope to
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other Russians that, well, look, we well,
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we are doing something, it will somehow
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lead to something, somewhere, somewhere, that is, they do not
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allow the Russians, who, for
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example, plan to oppose
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Putin's regime, to focus on the main thing and do not
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let them tell them about the obvious
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fact that the only way to overthrow this
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regime is only by force, there will be no other ways
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if you resist there in another way,
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conduct some appropriate actions there, then you will either not be
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ignored, or then you will be arrested and
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sent to prison, and if you
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stay there, you will be killed there, and that's it,
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in principle, that's the activity of this
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liberal Russian opposition. She
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just knows that she is blurring it, they
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used the TT about which I asked her and
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you see yes blurring the protest blurring the
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opposition sentiments let's
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wait let's not do anything
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Let's fight the regime there for a
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few minutes a day let's somehow
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resolutely go out on the balcony with a determined
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expression on our faces, we stand so that no one
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sees us. Well, this has already produced a number of such
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sketches, you know, even I would say from
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Ukrainian comedians, let's
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go shopping for 15 minutes against Putin and so
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on. But this has its already absurd
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limits, too. But what kind of proposal is that and the
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reaction, Peter, thank you for
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finding the time, we
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will continue the live broadcast in a few minutes, Inna
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Maretska will also appear with current information,
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Peter Oloshchuk, a political scientist, thank you for
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