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friends, I welcome you all to the Media00:00:02
platform, the system is a resource for those who have not00:00:04
forgotten how to think and analyze00:00:05
what is happening, so join in.00:00:08
So, as the cold weather of the00:00:10
heating season approaches, the number of news00:00:12
on this topic in the information feed00:00:13
is growing, and how ready We are about what00:00:16
we have to do, how much we have managed to00:00:17
restore what was00:00:19
destroyed, how long will you have to sit without00:00:22
Light if you have to? Well, what is also important is00:00:24
how much you will have to pay for everything. I00:00:26
now mean tariffs for gas and heat.00:00:28
Today we’ll talk about this with Ivan00:00:30
Plachk, ex-Minister of Energy twice in00:00:33
three yes in three a now the head of the All00:00:36
Ukrainian Energy Assembly Ivan00:00:38
Vasilyevich Hello Well, we will at least00:00:41
start this conversation. We00:00:42
definitely won’t be able to do it at once, so friends, write00:00:44
your questions and comments, we will take it for00:00:46
our subsequent broadcasts. Probably one00:00:48
of the main questions that00:00:49
everyone is asking today is how ready the Ukrainian00:00:51
energy sector is for heating season, that00:00:54
is, what was restored and what wasn’t Well, a00:00:55
general understanding in general based on the numbers00:00:57
Let’s start there are no numbers, there are a lot of them, I00:01:00
took them from different sources, so I will00:01:02
ask him and you will already say00:01:04
how true they are, the topic is00:01:07
very relevant and the last two or three00:01:09
weeks there have been very is often discussed and00:01:12
indeed the numbers sound different 3000:01:15
percent up to 80 preparation and so on I’ll00:01:18
immediately say the00:01:20
degree of preparation of the energy00:01:23
complex of00:01:24
Ksenia to the winter maximum percentage00:01:27
cannot be measured This is not objective00:01:30
information always needs to be done So00:01:34
how many power units do we need, taking into account the00:01:37
current situation of power units00:01:41
power line gas fuel and so on00:01:44
And how much we have and all this still depends00:01:50
on what kind of winter it will be, we can00:01:52
say 90%. but if there is an abnormally00:01:56
cold winter, these 90% will not be enough,00:02:00
so this is a very complex process,00:02:02
it is not linear. Yes, we evaluate00:02:05
energy preparation, but this is not linear. A00:02:08
linear thing so that it00:02:11
can be so simple, in general,00:02:14
we know that 30 40 percent the00:02:17
infrastructure was damaged00:02:22
just in the autumn-winter maximum by missile00:02:25
strikes by00:02:26
suicide bombers and so on, today the00:02:30
power engineers during this summer period00:02:32
restored as much as they could00:02:34
restore, they did not restore everything, it is00:02:37
impossible to restore even if there was00:02:40
money, but we know that the shortage of money is00:02:43
colossal. The power engineers have big00:02:45
debts. but they have recovered and today the00:02:47
power engineers are balancing the00:02:52
energy system consumption And00:02:55
if in pre-war times Peacetime was00:03:00
not like that 75 percent 70 75 percent of00:03:04
the equipment should be working And 25-3000:03:08
should be in reserve and That’s how we00:03:11
entered the winter with a reserve of 25-30 percent00:03:13
Why Because that or a very cold00:03:16
winter some00:03:18
equipment fails now we are entering without a00:03:21
reserve with a reserve Well 5 maximum Well 700:03:25
percent so we are entering with a very00:03:28
weakened power system a very00:03:31
weakened power system we have00:03:34
practically no reserves they are insignificant and uh00:03:38
including there and along00:03:41
power lines along inputs and everything00:03:43
else, so it is very important now00:03:46
to protect the00:03:49
operating infrastructure that we have00:03:51
in absolute numbers, here they sound, I communicate00:03:54
with power engineers, they say, for00:03:56
example, 30-40 substations were damaged,00:03:58
2-3 were restored,00:04:01
see What does it mean Five stations have already been restored here; there00:04:05
are 4 high-voltage00:04:10
transformers; they are broken. Why00:04:13
are there four of them? Because two usually work00:04:21
and one is in reserve. If one fails00:04:24
today, there are two.00:04:28
Yes, it has been restored. It works, but at00:04:31
sub-zero deep temperatures, it will not be00:04:34
enough. therefore, it will be necessary to00:04:35
limit if it is minus 15 minus00:04:39
18, consumption is growing, what00:04:42
will the power engineers do to prevent00:04:45
these transformers from burning out? They will00:04:46
limit it. If00:04:49
another one breaks down or a missile hits, the00:04:51
restrictions will be large. Therefore, we00:04:53
need to understand that00:04:55
the power system has been restored and is00:04:58
functioning. it is stable but without a00:05:02
safety margin for this winter, so it is00:05:05
very important for us not to forget00:05:08
to save electricity in the winter as much as possible00:05:11
so as not to overload this is a00:05:13
transformer so that we don’t have to00:05:15
turn on a third one, which is not there naturally00:05:17
to protect these objects Let me00:05:21
ask you differently, let’s assume00:05:23
the situation is weak I think that, too, that there00:05:27
will be no new missile strikes, let00:05:29
’s assume that there won’t be. Even if there00:05:32
weren’t any, our system now it00:05:35
will get through this winter, it will get through00:05:40
again if00:05:45
we once had minus 23 in Kiev in00:05:49
Crimea minus 2200:05:51
and before the south it was minus 18 we have 5-6 times there00:05:56
10 years of course it will be difficult we will00:06:00
buy electricity if00:06:03
our generation is not enough we will buy more00:06:05
words and we will limit but00:06:08
limit how we will initially00:06:10
work the emergency shutdown schedule is not00:06:13
for the population we we will reduce there is00:06:15
an algorithm and only now00:06:18
the schedules have already been developed they have always been00:06:20
developed we are reducing the consumption of00:06:24
enterprises Yes now it is very difficult00:06:26
because as a rule they do not work00:06:30
until uh shutdown then we reduce uh we00:06:35
reduce consumption we say00:06:37
switch to a different work schedule00:06:39
period of maximum Don’t work start00:06:42
earlier finish later and so on00:06:45
Here we will go through a whole series of events00:06:47
But unfortunately this is such a hypothetical00:06:50
scenario the scenario will be beaten but we need to00:06:54
protect it and why I have some00:06:57
optimism, look at the last two or three00:06:59
months the president of the meeting in the United00:07:03
States meetings with the Secretary General of NATO meeting with the00:07:06
Minister of Turnover of France What are we talking about first,00:07:11
air defense and first to00:07:14
protect the energy infrastructure00:07:17
That's why I'm here, I kind of hope I'm00:07:21
almost sure that there won't be massive00:07:24
damage, but we have a very00:07:26
bottleneck Well, we need to know that and remember00:07:29
this too Well, no matter how they say We00:07:31
Let's yes You can't expect the government00:07:35
from the leadership of the country to00:07:38
tell us something like this The truth only the truth00:07:41
absolutely the truth never in life in00:07:44
any country there is no government it00:07:47
has its own tasks It always says we00:07:49
have done more this is this this is00:07:52
natural and so on, but I want to00:07:54
say this is heating00:07:57
declaration Declaration Because if there00:07:59
is not enough electricity in Kiev, for example,00:08:01
our generation We take from nuclear00:08:04
plants we can through export, but the heat00:08:08
is generated in the city in the city of Kiev in the00:08:12
city of Kharkov in the city of Odessa in in the city of00:08:14
Kherson, the White Church and if00:08:20
the infrastructure is damaged, then we will not00:08:22
compensate for everything and I was very alarmed by the00:08:25
latest information from Vitaly, the mayor,00:08:28
Vitaliy Klitschko, who said that we00:08:30
had damage, this is really true, 6000:08:33
percent00:08:35
of the heating system and it has00:08:39
practically not been restored, you know, it is00:08:42
impossible to restore if the00:08:44
damaged power unit 300 MW which is00:08:46
being manufactured00:08:48
was manufactured in Russia which this00:08:51
feed pumps are impossible for them to be compensated in a year, it is necessary to00:08:55
install a new year a00:08:57
new unit so therefore we must00:09:01
remember that it is possible00:09:04
again if there are00:09:07
abnormally low temperatures and even this is the00:09:10
infrastructure that exists and00:09:13
will be sufficient enough for today because00:09:16
we these 30 are reserves because00:09:19
district heating is done with a reserve of 5000:09:22
percent, if he says that 6000:09:24
is destroyed and not restored,00:09:27
if electricity is with a reserve of 30 then00:09:31
district heating is done 50% is not enough,00:09:36
I’ll tell you why because district heating00:09:40
is more dangerous if there are three or00:09:43
four power units on T5 then nearby there are00:09:46
hot water boilers that can00:09:48
compensate for00:09:51
power units because without heat the city00:09:53
If it remains a disaster, that’s why00:09:56
it’s designed this way, we’ll get through it But if00:09:59
there’s a cold winter, a00:10:02
cold winter, we must remember to know and00:10:06
not be indignant when the batteries won’t be00:10:09
very hot because it’s00:10:11
objectively impossible to heat them00:10:13
we must remember that if there is00:10:16
additional damage or00:10:18
the equipment fails, an emergency situation itself can occur.00:10:21
You must be prepared00:10:23
that some number of houses or00:10:28
some array there may be left without00:10:30
heat for a day, two to three, five for00:10:34
a week or two, so we need to prepare for this,00:10:36
that it somehow00:10:38
sounds depressing, that despite the fact that 60% is damaged and00:10:41
not restored, we understand that there00:10:43
will be missile attacks, now00:10:46
almost everyone is openly talking about this, and00:10:47
of course here the question is, what will all this00:10:50
lead to? I don’t agree, they were and00:10:55
will be, but taking into account the last year, especially00:10:57
city facilities, this infrastructure00:11:00
they will be protected alone, we cannot00:11:04
predict. But those sources00:11:08
that remain are a large number of00:11:10
catheters, those blocks that remain00:11:13
to work, hot water boilers, this is00:11:15
the one they will work and we Well, this won’t00:11:19
allow the city to freeze, there wo00:11:23
n’t be a catastrophe. Well, there will be a00:11:26
lot of inconvenience. Yes, of course, if00:11:29
the air defense doesn’t00:11:31
protect and if some kind of missile strike will00:11:33
simply destroy all the thermal power plants, which Well, I don’t00:11:37
allow it, then of course it will be very00:11:39
hard of course depressing This is the war00:11:43
last year when we were00:11:44
talking one of the factors E you00:11:46
said that everything is being restored quite quickly00:11:48
is the availability of00:11:50
repair kits, that is, repair00:11:52
kits now there are numbers, that is, they are, let’s00:11:55
say, frecord voiced that it was not00:11:57
possible to restore one hundred percent00:11:58
repair kits they are restored00:12:00
there by 30 to 40 percent, that is, there00:12:02
will simply be nothing to restore with.00:12:05
I misunderstood this completely or I00:12:08
had a little bit of power lines being restored00:12:10
quite quickly,00:12:13
the transformer is high-voltage and there is more00:12:16
power.00:12:18
Yes, they need to be done this for a month and00:12:21
in Europe it does not hold them in a tree in00:12:24
warehouses Why Because00:12:27
such a scheme is being made and there are four of them working, if00:12:29
one fails then they connect another00:12:32
backup one and so they give uh an00:12:36
order for production to freeze00:12:38
money for something like this no one is the same00:12:41
For power units but now they are in use00:12:45
especially road accidents, they had a lot of blocks00:12:48
in reserve, a lot of mothballed ones.00:12:51
These are the blocks that were mothballed in00:12:53
reserves and they are used to00:12:55
restore others, I haven’t restored them,00:12:57
but the warm power plant is an00:13:02
individual story, there are no such00:13:05
reserves, relatively speaking, how the Europeans00:13:08
are set up this year, that is they will be,00:13:10
I know that last year00:13:12
they really raked out uh to the maximum and Repair00:13:15
equipment there and the same generators There00:13:17
and so on What is this year according to your00:13:19
information And this does not help maximum I00:13:23
know that uh money has been allocated at factories00:13:27
located in European orders for00:13:30
this large-sized,00:13:33
expensive equipment that takes a long time to manufacture,00:13:35
but it is clear that they cannot be manufactured during the summer period.00:13:38
Well,00:13:42
e equipment,00:13:46
tools, equipment for quick repair of00:13:50
networks, for quick repair of00:13:53
power lines and energy, today they are00:13:56
preparing to eliminate very00:14:00
quickly not as traditionally as it was Well,00:14:03
yes, there is no electricity Well, for a day Well, well,00:14:05
two of us are working and now there is such00:14:07
preparation in order to quickly this is00:14:10
also a factor that should help it00:14:13
will be difficult very clearly, definitely00:14:17
we must prepare and Besides the fact that I have00:14:21
qualifications I want to finish here00:14:23
some advice Yes, I00:14:25
talked about this last year and from the very beginning even00:14:27
before when the points are not evil, the00:14:31
points that are prepared are the first for00:14:34
residents of large small cities,00:14:38
centralized heating supply, point00:14:40
one is to find relatives, to find acquaintances,00:14:44
to find friends in villages, small00:14:47
settlements, there is a traditional00:14:49
stove heating so that, if00:14:51
necessary, you can go and wait for two00:14:54
days,00:14:55
three or four or five, until the00:14:57
power engineers restore either the pumping station00:15:00
or the pipeline, or the power unit,00:15:03
what will need to be restored00:15:05
if00:15:07
there is00:15:09
no opportunity to go, local authorities, the00:15:13
points are not malicious, which means they must00:15:16
be powerful equipment generators00:15:18
that will provide not only00:15:20
electricity but also the ability to00:15:22
connect such so-called00:15:24
building air blowers that00:15:26
heat, but of course, in00:15:29
food products, medicines, everything else is there, it’s00:15:31
all clear, uh, as if in addition, and00:15:35
of course00:15:37
diesel generators, they should not just00:15:39
be, they should be operational00:15:42
because of the fuel supply because at any00:15:45
moment there may be a shortage of fuel00:15:47
like this00:15:48
Double two is in fact suitable Yes We are approaching00:15:51
winter in virtually the same way as last00:15:53
year and now look at Along with this,00:15:57
now my friends are receiving text00:15:59
messages about that there are already00:16:02
outage schedules Since October 1, that is, they are already00:16:04
being written and drawn. That is, in fact, Well,00:16:06
people are being prepared for this. And if00:16:09
I’m not mistaken, Karenergo literally00:16:10
said a few days ago that without importing00:16:12
electricity we will not pass it, that is,00:16:14
really in what volumes this00:16:17
import is needed That is, and will00:16:19
it really help in emergency situations? As I00:16:21
understand it, well, again, it depends on00:16:23
what kind of emergency situation that is,00:16:24
if we approached a blackout last year.00:16:26
That is, you think that there00:16:28
was no blackout, you talked about it but we kids00:16:30
were close to it, then the emergency we saw00:16:32
also didn’t help much, the import of electricity did not help much.00:16:34
Where will it come from and in what00:16:36
volumes is it needed? As for the00:16:39
shutdown schedule lists, they were00:16:42
created every year and approved from the00:16:46
moment the00:16:49
battle plan was implemented; absolutely00:16:53
Soviet times of00:16:55
independent Ukraine are always in Energetikov an00:16:59
agreed schedule of emergency00:17:01
shutdowns00:17:03
in case of00:17:05
force majeure natural disasters, and so00:17:08
on and so forth, so the fact that00:17:10
there are lists, someone found out, this00:17:13
should not be surprising, this is a small remard00:17:15
last year, everyone saw how this00:17:17
happened, maybe00:17:19
they shouted at someone for an hour turned off00:17:24
I'm the first I'm just talking about the schedules,00:17:26
of course, if necessary, there will be00:17:28
shutdowns for some for an hour and for others for00:17:31
three days because00:17:33
each situation is different if00:17:36
you turn off you need to turn off the00:17:39
power lines were damaged they were done in two00:17:42
to two hours then in turned on and if a00:17:45
transformer that should not00:17:47
burn out is turned off for a day and if it is00:17:51
preventively reduced so that the00:17:54
transformer does not burn out, it all depends on the00:17:57
zone which needs to reduce the load,00:18:00
for example there in the Boryspil region00:18:03
because there is a support substation00:18:05
and the power engineers are looking at we need to reduce00:18:07
there by 300 MW and So they are reducing it by 30000:18:11
MW in order to supply this electricity even for three00:18:13
days, so that on the fourth day they can supply this electricity.00:18:15
Because if the transformer does not reduce it00:18:18
and burns out, there00:18:20
will be no electricity for a longer period,00:18:23
believe the power engineers. They are charged, they are00:18:26
determined to give the maximum. As soon as00:18:29
possible, I think that based on the results last00:18:31
year in this No one doubts this and00:18:34
does everything, so there can be different situations00:18:37
regarding imports Yes, we will00:18:40
import, we now sometimes, this is how00:18:43
the energy system works, our energy system00:18:46
works in parallel with the European one00:18:48
and there are two types of flows, the so-called00:18:52
technical and the so-called00:18:54
commercial, for example ours the system00:18:57
is being balanced and we don’t need00:18:59
electricity. Well, a00:19:02
unit at a nuclear power plant suddenly00:19:05
stopped working, and sometimes we are short of thousands of00:19:08
megawatts and we immediately take it without any00:19:10
commercial agreements. They00:19:14
give us a thousand megawatts to save00:19:16
the energy system and we use it, that’s what they call00:19:19
it. technically, we either have to00:19:22
return this energy or we have to00:19:24
then buy it at an expensive price; there are00:19:27
commercial flows when00:19:30
contracts are concluded and we buy, so we will00:19:34
use commercial technical tanks.00:19:37
What volume I think00:19:40
this can be when we consume00:19:42
12-15 thousand megawatts capacity in different00:19:47
periods it can be from 1000 to 300000:19:50
megawatts from 1000 to 3000 MW technical00:19:54
commercial this is already the dispatcher of Ukraine00:19:56
will look at what is effective because00:19:59
we are now00:20:01
taking00:20:03
3,000 in general there is some volume uh I00:20:07
don’t remember the numbers I won’t deceive Well,00:20:09
we return much more, sometimes00:20:11
we export because it goes, it’s the00:20:15
communicating vessels and that’s why it works that way. What’s wrong00:20:21
with Ivan Vasilyevich? That is, it’s like they’re00:20:24
balancing them. In my opinion, the share in the00:20:26
overall energy boiler was always around00:20:28
6-7 percent, but now00:20:30
the information is that there is no water, as it were, that the00:20:32
volume of water is 30 percent less, this is00:20:35
always four to eight percent00:20:38
before the water, the water will not be balanced,00:20:42
they will look, no Kakhovka hydroelectric power station,00:20:46
the situation is complicated, how critical it is00:20:48
Exactly from the point of view of exactly00:20:50
the functionality00:20:53
it is balancing, but given the fact that we00:20:56
work in00:20:59
parallel with the European energy system,00:21:01
our00:21:05
partners Romania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and00:21:08
so on will partially balance, this is the00:21:10
situation, this is the operating algorithm of the00:21:13
unified energy system, there are a00:21:15
lot of very complex00:21:18
contracts, so for the stability00:21:21
of the energy system this is not critical for the volume of00:21:24
production Yes, this is a problem, but for00:21:27
sustainability it doesn’t eat big, I00:21:30
would probably like00:21:32
to talk about this, but I’ll probably still ask.00:21:33
Based on the logic of the shelling last00:21:36
year, I think, you know, and you understand where00:21:39
they were trying to aim somewhere How00:21:42
you think this year00:21:44
there too I think they are preparing they think00:21:48
they are sort of taking aim they are analyzing00:21:52
and they I think until00:21:57
mid-December it will be such a00:22:00
main one there until the New Year there will be00:22:02
attempts at00:22:04
main strikes Well again We hope00:22:07
We have air defense but00:22:10
I was alarmed by one of00:22:13
Putin’s statements, it was about two weeks ago00:22:15
when and I know why he said this.00:22:20
In what context is the British,00:22:24
British intelligence, the British00:22:27
are provoking us to strike nuclear00:22:30
facilities in Ukraine, hinting at nuclear power00:22:32
plants,00:22:33
so00:22:35
this is such a difficult situation, but I I think00:22:38
there are many today sanctions against the00:22:42
growth of the atom, very loyal, all00:22:45
Rosatom contracts in all European countries00:22:48
are working on the construction of a station for00:22:50
equipment all over America buys up to00:22:54
20 percent of Russian Uranium and there is00:22:57
such a special zone of relationships00:22:59
they will take a risk if only they risk00:23:03
doing some kind of provocation00:23:06
c Blackmail of such a nuclear plant in Zaporozhye00:23:09
or some kind of attack on nuclear power plants I00:23:12
think that Rosatom will turn into Gazprom00:23:16
this is the first00:23:18
second the second - this is of course They00:23:22
understand perfectly well that this is a very00:23:24
vulnerable thing And of course they will if the00:23:27
main objects of the main00:23:30
infrastructure are protected We are very vulnerable00:23:33
power lines are so high00:23:36
there, it’s impossible to protect 1000 kilometers00:23:38
hundreds of kilometers it will be such attacks00:23:41
massive drone strikes this is a00:23:43
nightmare But why did the power engineers00:23:47
hit everyone like that did they blow up a support or break the00:23:51
wires on the power lines it needs to be00:23:54
restored this day these two00:23:56
Why are the power engineers preparing specifically I wanted to ask you very briefly about00:23:59
such quick00:24:01
restoration operations,00:24:03
you started00:24:04
talking about the Zaporozhye station00:24:06
just a few days ago. If I’m not00:24:07
mistaken, I think the MMT adopted00:24:09
another appeal to the Russians to vacate the00:24:11
station and hand it over to Ukrainian00:24:13
specialists. Well, again, don’t be00:24:17
strict00:24:19
give all the awards to this gentleman00:24:22
threats all the awards of Ukraine in00:24:24
duplicate I will say why it is00:24:27
rich this is a public organization at the00:24:30
UN public where countries voluntarily00:24:34
entered this club of nuclear countries that00:24:38
use nuclear energy Good there00:24:40
are Mouths in a certain one and Russia is a00:24:44
full member Until today00:24:46
as its Russia they didn’t remove him from the00:24:48
NATO Security Council and he I’m00:24:53
sorry, that’s why the function is not00:24:58
they don’t have the rights to sanction any kind of thing,00:25:02
their task is to monitor and say what’s00:25:06
going on there00:25:07
and that when we, at one time,00:25:12
the Ministry, why do we need it, we’re not we’re so00:25:15
in control of the situation in the first months,00:25:18
remember, there were four power units of the00:25:21
occupied station, and the00:25:24
management, how do you control the00:25:27
situation, what are you talking about? It was not00:25:29
interest, it00:25:32
passed the front line, the only00:25:35
international organization00:25:36
in the occupied station was not afraid00:25:39
and took lessons; I personally went there and they carried out an00:25:43
analysis, monitoring, and showed the whole world00:25:46
that is happening there and they told the00:25:49
world the00:25:50
world community citizens of the entire00:25:54
planet Earth at the Zaporozhye nuclear power00:25:57
plant00:25:58
all seven components00:26:01
ensuring safety were violated they made a00:26:03
report to the UN Security Council all this is the00:26:08
maximum What can this be done but on the00:26:10
basis of this information sanctions can00:26:14
only be done by the government of France00:26:16
Britain America and so on further to say, we are00:26:21
terminating contracts for the supply of uranium;00:26:24
the government of the United States is not terminating;00:26:46
is happening in Zaporozhye, this is such a00:26:49
deterrent factor for the Russians, it is very00:26:53
strong. Because if there is00:26:56
really something00:26:59
threatening to radiation safety,00:27:01
and this is not only Ukraine, this is Europe and00:27:05
that’s it, I’m sure that there will be very tough00:27:08
sanctions against00:27:10
Rosaty, they have already started against some00:27:13
companies, the enemy which the leadership of00:27:16
America decided to uh reduce00:27:18
the amount of Uranium which and completely uh00:27:22
how to00:27:23
replace Uranium uh further uh for00:27:28
construction there are no more new contracts00:27:29
for the viewer Startsev this is a00:27:31
small inertial machine, so you00:27:34
can’t stop the flakes00:27:36
right away firstly you’ve run out of space on the00:27:38
leaf yes yes00:27:40
if you spoke very briefly last year00:27:43
about the critical situation at00:27:44
Zaporozhye, do you think we00:27:46
have passed this critical point at Zaporozhskaya00:27:48
or not, we haven’t passed it, it’s00:27:50
critical from the point of view.00:27:59
Chernobyl is00:28:01
unlikely there, but maybe they00:28:04
will break some kind of circuit there, it will be00:28:06
local. Well, this is so important, the00:28:11
second thing is that the most important thing00:28:15
is that they need to cool00:28:18
the reactors and it is necessary to cool the00:28:21
spent fuel or00:28:23
grain fuel pools; for this, water is needed00:28:25
water is used from the parent's ponds Yes,00:28:28
it's clear here we understand it00:28:30
circulates, but it was fed by00:28:36
the reservoir, now the level is low, it00:28:39
can't be fed from here, but it00:28:42
starts to fall sharply Well,00:28:45
the level doesn't start to fall sharply, it can't00:28:47
anyway, there are some losses, so00:28:49
we drilled wells for that to00:28:52
feed 250 tons an hour, this is00:28:54
enough for this circulation, but00:28:57
the danger is that they00:29:01
can do00:29:03
thousands of options there to00:29:06
stop this cooling or something00:29:09
else and leave us the station00:29:12
inoperable, for example, to say And this does00:29:15
not depend on us, the pipeline sank there00:29:17
and we can’t cool the reactor and there the00:29:19
fuel melts, the reactor00:29:22
gets slagged and it’s all no longer00:29:26
operational, it can’t be restored.00:29:28
But remember, we can too. The big00:29:30
danger is that after the decupation we can get a00:29:33
station that is00:29:36
inoperative and cannot be restored, and00:29:39
we will have a headache like00:29:42
Chernobyl, which we will have to00:29:43
finance which will have to be00:29:45
maintained and this is a colossal expense,00:29:49
so the mission of MTG plays a very important00:29:53
role there in order to prevent00:29:56
this situation. What do you think? That’s why00:29:59
now more and more messages are appearing in the information field00:30:01
that our00:30:03
storage facilities are gas and the gas transportation00:30:06
system is likely they won’t survive this winter, that is,00:30:08
this is relatively speaking, that the Russians don’t need00:30:11
Transit, in fact, they don’t have00:30:13
many opportunities left, so00:30:22
there are, you can force it, you can Don’t00:30:25
force it here, but where is objectivity, it’s00:30:28
difficult to find it, I’ll just say my personal opinion00:30:31
first Transit continues,00:30:35
continues and not in the volumes in which00:30:39
it can pump 180 billion, the00:30:43
maximum pumped in the ninety-ninth00:30:46
year was 120, now it pumps 15-40 they are not00:30:50
selected00:30:51
20-25 and last year there were no attacks on the00:30:56
gas transport system of infrastructure00:30:58
and so on while the Transit continues until00:31:01
24 this winter there is not until 2 includes 24,00:31:05
then I’m almost sure00:31:09
that Russia will not risk not fulfilling00:31:15
these transit obligations and00:31:17
strikes, although everything may be, we should00:31:19
be ready for this, and as for the00:31:23
gas Guardians, that again, this is an00:31:26
underground gas storage it is possible00:31:29
to damage, it is00:31:32
possible to destroy the infrastructure that is00:31:35
on the surface that this00:31:38
storage facility serves, that gas is pumped,00:31:41
pressure distances, pressure hydraulic fracturing,00:31:44
distribution, everything else, we00:31:46
are restoring it, it is protected by00:31:50
air defense and00:31:52
restoring it, but the storage facility itself is00:31:56
impossible, I’m just slowly leading to the00:31:59
question:00:32:00
How much gas are we in00:32:03
the past? year we discussed How much00:32:04
gas is currently in storage Is there enough of it to00:32:06
get through this winter and,00:32:09
in fact, how will we get through this00:32:11
if there really is a00:32:13
gas transportation system, which to00:32:15
some extent is a gas distribution system, yes There, as if the00:32:17
whole country could suffer,00:32:20
I want that means from that that let us all00:32:23
pay attention together and the audience to00:32:26
how the situation00:32:29
around NATO gas in Ukraine has stabilized, remember00:32:32
the scandals the Vitrenko scandal into the00:32:36
default and00:32:38
bonds scandal we constantly talked about it, we00:32:41
appointed manager Chernyshev, I don’t00:32:45
know him, but I evaluate his work as an00:32:50
example of the leadership of a state00:32:53
company in general never met00:32:56
Why the first, look, the gangs paid,00:32:59
no default is in danger Although the financial00:33:03
situation is like this, second, no scandals,00:33:06
third, during this period,00:33:09
they increased production by 6-8 percent, a00:33:13
lot of wells were drilled, and00:33:15
the third, they accumulated 15 billion gas, despite the fact00:33:20
that 3 billion there are mostly non-residents00:33:23
and 12 billion of ours are00:33:26
enough to get through a00:33:29
normal winter. And if there is an abnormal one, then00:33:33
these 3 billion will of course be00:33:36
taken away as they will be given in due time. Well, we are the ones who00:33:38
buy them. We buy them. We buy them.00:33:42
Why are they the same and the question is whether Europe will have enough There00:33:46
is enough gas in Europe And we won’t00:33:49
buy it Because it’s more00:33:51
economically profitable for them to sell it here Well, yes, even00:33:54
more so than to pay for transportation there to00:33:56
pay for transport there That’s why Well, it’s all00:33:59
the same00:34:01
for the best Well, it’s like I attracted these three, uh,00:34:04
3 billion, that’s why so I think that00:34:09
the situation there for me is not00:34:13
alarming in terms of volume and we’ll save up half a half, we’ll00:34:16
buy it now there are contracts there, but it was00:34:19
necessary one and a half million million00:34:22
300 Yes, it’s already concluding contracts. I00:34:25
think that the situation in the00:34:27
energy center will stabilize to buy now If not00:34:31
I’m wrong, in my opinion, a million 300 thousand00:34:35
in my own way for the beginning of winter the00:34:37
figure was always one million eight hundred eight hundred00:34:39
five hundred once we entered before00:34:41
wartime with 900 thousand and so on then they were00:34:44
transporting now they just won’t lead00:34:46
will be buying more not so much00:34:50
Africa Brazil Yes, this one is available everywhere,00:34:55
including in Poland. I think00:34:58
we’ll buy it everywhere and the kids have loaded about00:35:01
eight new lavas there. I think they do00:35:03
n’t talk about it either, well, uh,00:35:06
Dnepropetrovskaya Yes, they probably00:35:08
loaded, uh, increased, uh production, as00:35:12
for the gas infrastructure, I myself,00:35:15
uh, Mainline, don’t worry anymore, I’m00:35:19
more worried about the distribution00:35:22
network so that a series of blows will happen. It’s the00:35:26
same as a power line. Well, the power00:35:28
line is on the surface and the00:35:30
distribution underground, it will be00:35:32
such GDS,00:35:35
these could be objects But this is all00:35:38
local, it will be restored, but00:35:42
we must keep in mind they also address our00:35:44
viewers if the00:35:46
electricity transmission line was00:35:48
cut off, the line was restored with00:35:52
a switch, they turned on all the electricity at once,00:35:54
I show a different story00:35:56
if it is disconnected 5 villages and a00:36:02
gas distribution station there is00:36:03
damaged again, the gas pipelines00:36:06
products then it sat down they repaired and00:36:08
started the gas, this is a story for a day or00:36:12
two because everything needs to be purged here from a00:36:14
safety point of view, we00:36:16
must also remember and understand this, understand00:36:20
this The whole process is very short How do you00:36:22
think Europe will00:36:24
handle its heating season this year,00:36:26
as far as I have seen the figures Maybe I’m00:36:28
wrong, correct me if somewhere around 90,00:36:30
in my opinion, 5.97% injection, but in my opinion they have00:36:33
no more than 50 percent of gas left from last year00:36:35
because the winter was00:36:37
warm, as I understand it, they replenished Well,00:36:40
due to transit through the Ukrainian00:36:42
the territory of the Norwegian LG, that is, where they00:36:46
will get it in case of a cold winter. That00:36:48
is, when it will be necessary to take it in large00:36:49
volumes, lmg will not help here. But for the00:36:51
Ukrainian gas transportation system, I don’t know how they will00:36:54
pump, look00:36:56
what the European plant did in Europe. I don’t00:37:02
know for me. they took it off the needle,00:37:09
they00:37:11
reduced consumption, I think by more than00:37:14
15 percent,00:37:17
they closed all these gas-intensive00:37:21
enterprises, this fertilizer.00:37:23
I think that they are no longer there; they will not open00:37:32
this production to other countries,00:37:35
and so on. That’s why the Europeans have been thinking about this for a long time;00:37:37
These are these00:37:40
enterprises with their territory, they00:37:43
have pumped00:37:45
enough gas and if anything it is00:37:49
Norwegian gas. I think that00:37:51
it will be enough to,00:37:54
yes, abnormal winters. Well, these00:37:57
insignificant 15 billion Well, for them, this is, well,00:38:00
not the volume for today. 1500:38:02
billion per annum is a billion a month00:38:05
Well, a billion a month Why won’t LG00:38:08
help help in the winter And what No I don’t00:38:10
work terminals tankers They’re delivering00:38:13
and they’ll help here and in Europe,00:38:17
remember, I often said when00:38:20
Putin00:38:23
unleashed this First the world00:38:25
energy war, so I immediately said00:38:29
he lost it And he lost00:38:32
this energy war purely, he00:38:36
thought Europe would freeze there00:38:40
without this, social explosions will not be there, there will be no gas00:38:43
there, there will almost be riots00:38:46
without oil, they will still be without Russian00:38:50
oil what will they do without this,00:38:51
look as soon as you chug and lost everything00:38:55
because the world Another world is very00:38:57
dynamic now here Ivan Vasilyevich a00:38:59
small adjustment maybe he00:39:01
lost, as it were We haven’t won yet because00:39:03
you yourself did what because they00:39:05
export uh nuclear fuel00:39:08
they export ethical he lost the war00:39:12
in a clear way We don’t and Europe won the00:39:15
world won them Let him examine it You00:39:19
already know how the flywheel is00:39:22
impossible It’s heavy It’s big It’s00:39:25
spinning It’s so straight away You can’t stand up and00:39:27
stop it No, but it’s already00:39:30
spinning slowly It’s already down to the last revolutions00:39:33
what’s left Well, Uranium, but now it’s00:39:36
compensating for Uranium, see How00:39:37
the Americans quickly made us fuel00:39:39
for reactors 220, so we are monopolists for00:39:44
VVM reactors, or rather 440 440,00:39:48
there is no GDP, only we are doing what And everything00:39:51
has been loaded onto the Rivne station now in00:39:54
Europe. I say the Bulgarians refuse, everyone00:39:56
refuses, everything, he’s defeated,00:39:59
I want Here’s how to00:40:01
move on to big global issues with prices and tariffs00:40:04
for gas or electricity because00:40:05
people probably care about this sometimes more than00:40:07
some international trends. And there is a lot of00:40:10
information on this matter. That is, you00:40:12
know that after Zelensky’s visit a00:40:14
letter was published to the American00:40:15
State Department in which it was about the00:40:17
need for liberals. Well, we need liberalization of prices00:40:20
for gas and electricity, corporatization00:40:22
there, in general, then there are a number of statements by00:40:27
our government, in my opinion00:40:29
it was said from the snoop that we will not raise00:40:31
electricity prices for GAZ this season00:40:33
minus politicians say no We ready00:40:36
But we will work balancing this00:40:39
story with subsidies and so on That is,00:40:41
your opinion will still be increased or00:40:43
not because the last increase00:40:45
was for electricity, in my opinion, if I’m not00:40:46
mistaken, in June Yes, when it became 2.64 for00:40:50
gas, our price was - mine is still00:40:52
7.90 But without transportation your00:40:55
forecast will still raise prices or00:40:56
not I don’t know what you think because00:40:59
there is a struggle between00:41:00
common sense and the electoral00:41:04
electoral as it is called00:41:07
rating these issues This is a00:41:10
tariff issue for Ukraine, it is relevant for everyone In00:41:15
ninety the first year00:41:18
under socialism, investing in the economy and the00:41:21
first years of the first decades of the 90s, I00:41:25
had the good fortune to work as a minister, it was like the00:41:28
Minister of Energy sitting, calculating00:41:32
how it was being balanced, what00:41:35
tariffs should be, the prime minister is going to the00:41:37
president, or rather, no, there wo00:41:40
n’t be such tariffs if we raise him by 1000:41:42
percent and that’s it Live whatever you want, it00:41:46
was an administrative management that00:41:48
took place for two to three years. Here I was in ninety-00:41:52
nine, I persuaded Leonid Danilovich00:41:53
to raise tariffs. And the next one, and00:41:56
during the elections, the next increase was00:41:58
in 2006, again when I was a minister, uh,00:42:01
convinced after 7 years, tariffs did not change But00:42:05
if not change in 7 years, inflation,00:42:08
the cost of fuel or there will be no electricity at all, the00:42:11
miners will get it and00:42:14
do everything or we are forced to00:42:16
increase it. Well, then they increased it step by step00:42:19
if people were immediately dissatisfied, and so on. That’s why00:42:22
they made reforms in Ukraine. We are a00:42:27
market economy. We are European00:42:29
standards of reforms that are in gas, everything00:42:33
about gas today, market tariffs are a00:42:37
pause Yes, market What does this mean? With00:42:42
proper management, the tariff00:42:44
is formed from the price of this particular00:42:48
resource, the world prices of this resource and the00:42:52
costs of its transportation, as if to00:42:55
provide these resources, but the00:42:57
NCR state should also look at00:43:00
this the company did not abuse and did not00:43:02
pay itself millions in trillions in00:43:05
bonuses,00:43:06
we adopted one electricity00:43:10
reform in the seventeenth year specifically00:43:13
in order to liberalize00:43:16
electricity prices as these00:43:18
same ones wrote, we made a new law, a new00:43:22
reform, a new algorithm that00:43:25
was supposed to determine prices in the regime for everyone00:43:29
online almost every day,00:43:32
depending on how fair it is,00:43:34
because you decide for a month, you may00:43:36
not guess when every day.00:43:39
Prices are formed fairly, so that they00:43:42
are fair, depending on the00:43:43
cost of fuel, inflation, everything else,00:43:46
and so that everyone pays like that but again, the00:43:50
rating issues are all electoral and00:43:54
we decided to cross uncrossed things.00:43:57
This is the European algorithm with our00:44:01
Socialist administrative00:44:02
system, when there is no all this is good, but the00:44:05
population is dear to us, we love it. We00:44:13
will not stabilize the tariffs for the population, but everything else, elections are such a00:44:14
difference It doesn’t happen that way and uh they made00:44:19
price lists And for industry they also didn’t00:44:22
release tariffs, we will make Maxim00:44:25
limit the maximum and00:44:27
minimum restrictions so play the market in00:44:30
that corridor don’t touch these ones But here00:44:32
you play in the corridors and this algorithm does00:44:35
n’t work and why we received00:44:37
tens of billions of Debts in this market00:44:40
no one can figure it out now,00:44:44
so they recommend00:44:48
Please do this A fair system00:44:52
and if there are tariffs, sometimes for00:44:56
industry in Europe the tariffs are00:44:57
negative, there00:44:58
is a situation where00:45:02
electricity is not needed and an industrial00:45:04
enterprise buys it at a negative00:45:06
price at zero price there are also many00:45:09
Because if there is a shortage of fuel Well, it00:45:12
happened,00:45:16
they don’t know and it all depends so much these00:45:20
See how these recommendations are00:45:23
recommendations And how much this is not a00:45:25
recommendation, so if these are not really00:45:28
recommendations, then what needs to be done So00:45:31
prices for the population should be made liberal00:45:35
it costs so much Let it be00:45:38
twice as much, but there are00:45:41
married versts of the population who can00:45:45
pay and there are many of them. Look everywhere, even00:45:47
in villages, even in regional centers.00:45:49
Look at these cars, they are constantly00:45:51
changing. I no longer see used00:45:55
cars, even00:45:56
some, and there are some that are not wealthy its00:46:00
population who cannot00:46:02
afford it, here we have somehow00:46:04
such a stratified society, then the address for monetary00:46:09
subsidies is like this in the entire civilized00:46:12
world, it’s all a question.00:46:14
We are already talking about this. We00:46:17
have two realities. Now we have a00:46:19
certain letter from, let’s say, a recommendation.00:46:22
You are absolutely right. Here the question is00:46:24
to what extent it is a recommendation from the State Department, but00:46:27
on the other hand, there is a certain moratorium00:46:30
that everyone is talking about about not raising00:46:32
tariffs during martial law and00:46:34
for six months after it there is no monotorium, so00:46:38
why only on tariffs, why are prices on00:46:41
potatoes No moratorium Why not00:46:43
moratorium on gas prices00:46:46
and why grandfather moratorium on a friend this is not a00:46:49
moratorium this is a promise of power00:46:53
the president has absolute power00:46:56
Today I always call him he has00:46:58
power like the general secretary,00:47:00
like the PSR he00:47:02
has a Politburo but he is the sole00:47:06
leader So we decided Correctly00:47:09
Wrong is another question He said00:47:12
I love my people, poor people, he00:47:15
voted for me, how can I00:47:18
allow tariffs to be raised there twice, I00:47:21
won’t allow it for that season, and00:47:24
through the mouth of the prime minister, the00:47:27
example expressed the will of the president that we00:47:31
are not going to raise tariffs until the end of the heating season,00:47:35
but they00:47:37
we weren’t going to raise tariffs at all. But how00:47:39
many months ago did we raise my00:47:41
tariffs too? Therefore, to what extent are these00:47:45
recommendations, to what extent are they not00:47:47
recommendations, so Well, you know, as the devil00:47:49
always said, never raising his00:47:52
principles to such a height that it is impossible to00:47:54
refuse them, he may refuse.00:47:57
Thank you very much we00:48:02
will continue the pause next time00:48:04
I think that we will have something to discuss Ivan00:48:06
Plakkov ex-minister of energy head of the00:48:08
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Александр Колодий, руководитель медиаплатформы СИСТЕМА и Иван Плачков, экс-министр энергетики глава Всеукраинской энергетической ассамблеи. Обсудили такие темы: 00:00 Что ждет украинскую энергетику? 00:50 Готова ли украинская энергетика к зиме? 04:00 В случае больших холодов? 05:20 Будут ли отключения света если не будет обстрелов? 10:00 Мы должны готовиться к отключению тепла на некоторое время; 11:45 В резерве нет трансформаторов; 13:05 Европейцы будут помогать нам по максимуму; 15:30 Может быть дефицит топлива; 16:30 Графики отключения электроэнергии создавались всегда; 18:30 У кого Украина будет импортировать электроэнергию? 20:20 Что происходит гидроэлектростанциями? 21:30 По каким объектам Россия будет наносить удары? 22:10 Санкции против Росатома очень слабые? 24:05 МАГАТЭ помогает Украине? Что происходит на ЗАЭС? 30:00 Что будет с украинской газотранспортной системой? Транзит российского газа остановится? 32:00 Хватит ли Украине газа? 36:40 Хватит ли Европе газа зимой? 40:00 Что будет тарифами ЖКХ? 46:20 Мораторий на повышения цен на ЖКХ; Станьте спонсором канала, и вы получите доступ к эксклюзивным бонусам. Подробнее: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxswLY273h3RhsoMs2dK4RQ/join 💰 ПОДДЕРЖАТЬ ПРОЕКТ: 💳Монобанка: https://send.monobank.ua/jar/9meXEXyH9g 🏦Номер монобанки: 5375 4112 0009 7611 💵 Pay Pal: [email protected] 💵 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/systemnews МЫ В СОЦСЕТЯХ VIBER - https://invite.viber.com/?g2=AQBHdYWguzoQ1FA%2FD%2BCFdwD02iYSpnlswe2LwyrWm6HrIygxAxev5VG7Ob7s7CPS FACEBOOK - https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@olexandrkolodiy Instagram - https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Twitter - https://twitter.com/SYSTEM_INFONEWS Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/%D0%A1%D0%98%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%95%D0%9C%D0%90 Сотрудничество и реклама: [email protected] 🔥 Профессиональная аналитика: https://www.youtube.com/c/%D0%A1%D0%98%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%95%D0%9C%D0%90?sub_confirmation=1 🔥 Самые главные новости за сегодня: https://www.youtube.com/c/%D0%A1%D0%98%D0%A1%D0%A2%D0%95%D0%9C%D0%90%D0%98%D0%9D%D0%A4%D0%9E?sub_confirmation=1 *************************************************************************************************** Присоединяйтесь к тем, кто умеет думать: ✔️ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ✔️ТikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@systemnewsua *************************************************************************************************** YouTube-канал «Система» открывает глаза на причины всего происходящего, глубокий анализ актуальных событий даёт ключ к безошибочному видению, что случится в Украине и в мире уже завтра. Система логична и последовательна просто научись ее понимать. Подписывайся и убедись. Мы все в системе. И о ней нужно знать.
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