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23, it00:00:04
will happen more and more on the territory of00:00:06
Russia Putin has dealt a mortal blow to the00:00:10
future of our children, the regime will be measured by00:00:13
its ability to give victory to the masses, the00:00:17
real trouble will begin this year,00:00:21
explosive growth outside of systemic patriotism00:00:25
And these guys can just come kill00:00:28
gloomy forecast you have00:00:36
good afternoon Hello This is the program00:00:38
road map Mikhail Khodorkovsky00:00:41
Vladimir Pastukhov permanent experts of00:00:43
the program I am constantly presenter of00:00:45
the program Vitaly Dymarsky and today is the00:00:49
1st of January days we will talk about00:00:54
what we will talk about you see a Christmas tree in the back00:00:56
at least somehow at least00:00:58
hint at the fact that we have a new year and00:01:02
apparently the new year will at least be the first00:01:04
topic of our conversation today,00:01:07
by the way,00:01:10
regardless of the attitude towards this person00:01:14
and the policy that he pursues, after00:01:16
all,00:01:17
Russian citizens listen to strangers on the New Year00:01:21
the president will say,00:01:24
and this time the00:01:28
president00:01:29
without a Christmas tree, by the way, was not like you and I00:01:35
lived with a Christmas tree from military sources and Judging by the fact00:01:40
that he, first of all, he didn’t00:01:43
Summing up some results for 22 years, somehow00:01:47
we didn’t hear anything positive Well, I00:01:50
in any case, I didn’t hear But00:01:52
as for 23, war is war war, that00:01:57
is, exclude such military content for00:01:59
23. Tell me please, this is00:02:03
what I’m asking you00:02:06
[music] do00:02:07
you think00:02:09
this forecast is00:02:11
real and correct, nothing awaits us00:02:14
except war in 23 and I would still00:02:18
like to expand this conversation00:02:21
at the expense of what else, at the expense of other00:02:25
aspects of this whole situation,00:02:30
first of all, even Mikhail Borisovich I00:02:32
asked for some reason they stopped talking00:02:34
about the economic situation, for example,00:02:36
everyone all rushed to the front what there,00:02:40
although they are going there As Judging because00:02:43
they receive some information that00:02:45
can be more or less believed, there are a lot of victims, a00:02:48
lot of blood, a lot of00:02:52
shooting, but little progress in00:02:56
either direction,00:03:00
but let’s do it then, after all, I00:03:05
said a lot at once let's start with the00:03:07
military content of 23 years,00:03:12
there will be war00:03:15
all year throughout the whole year, you shouldn't00:03:19
wait, but at least some00:03:23
hint of the end of this war that time I00:03:26
started so now00:03:31
I00:03:32
started I have to do with such things every time00:03:46
cases, there is an absolutely00:03:49
objective explanation with which00:03:51
it is possible to argue alphabetically,00:03:55
so there are already two of you. Well, first of all, I want to00:04:00
say that I am in my environment.00:04:02
Here, even a small00:04:06
Russian-speaking community in the south of Italy,00:04:10
in my opinion, is the only person who00:04:13
watched a significant part of the New Year's00:04:15
light and00:04:17
even how much we Awareness Putin’s00:04:21
speech with congratulations did not turn off, they00:04:26
told me everything that I was a masochist, said00:04:29
that I simply chose a profession poorly00:04:32
and I must say that what00:04:35
impressed me was not at all00:04:39
what impressed other people because I00:04:42
then read them about this woman00:04:44
who will be a buhtechitsa everywhere then the00:04:48
military then the security guard it’s still not00:04:51
clear who it’s all clear00:04:54
two00:04:55
things that sunk into the soul00:05:00
the first static00:05:02
faces that stood in the background were00:05:05
so motionless that at some00:05:08
point I thought it was just a00:05:10
screensaver in the form of military men behind the screen then00:05:14
one read his nose I I realized that after all,00:05:16
something was moving there,00:05:18
that is, to be honest, I’m not a big00:05:21
supporter of the Lambrus theory, which can00:05:23
determine the00:05:25
criminal inclinations of a person by his00:05:27
face, it always confused me because the00:05:31
earlier era can be determined one hundred00:05:33
percent, that is, to be honest, here’s00:05:37
the picture these average00:05:40
Russian faces on the screen are simply00:05:42
impressive. That is, what stood behind00:05:45
Putin made a much more impression on me00:05:46
than, strictly speaking, what00:05:50
enlivened this landscape; the00:05:52
second is the00:05:56
dynamic contrast. That is, if we ignore00:06:00
this strange military show, it was00:06:03
the most ordinary, very vulgar00:06:07
s a very second-rate series of performers00:06:12
in which Leps was really a00:06:15
superstar, we find everyone else but00:06:19
normal Blue Light, which is00:06:21
not there at all, there was not just a war, there00:06:24
was no hint of war, that is, it was00:06:27
normal pop music that could have happened00:06:29
in00:06:30
2023 2002 to 200300:06:35
81 to 8200:06:38
It was an absolute concert in which,00:06:42
as a matter of fact, I didn’t00:06:45
even hear a mention at all00:06:47
and Here people are sitting relaxed cutting00:06:51
their Olivier00:06:55
literally for a second00:06:57
Give some hint of war here in00:07:01
the light00:07:02
in that there was no Pugacheva there was no00:07:08
method of exceptions This is clear to those who know00:07:11
the rest00:07:16
Now I’ll tell you, that is,00:07:19
from the fact that it was so00:07:21
relaxed and suddenly, against the backdrop of00:07:25
this complete relaxation, where in general, that00:07:28
is, it’s not clear that there are under a million00:07:30
people, somewhere in the mud, something weighs,00:07:32
listen, the remaining 139 million are00:07:36
not at all concerns they live their lives They00:07:39
listen to this tra-la00:07:41
glucose there and everything else And suddenly a00:07:47
break in the pattern appears, this is a terrible picture of a00:07:50
distorted motionless face against the background of even00:07:53
more motionless faces and begins to00:07:55
talk about the war,00:07:56
this is the most powerful cookie00:07:59
because This speaks of that they are now in00:08:02
transit time and I’m afraid that00:08:06
2023 is the first prediction, this00:08:10
will be the year of the end of the transit, this will be00:08:13
the year of the end of the transit from, as it were, a war,00:08:18
in fact, Well, yes, there00:08:22
will be war everywhere, this year it will take00:08:25
for the war became everywhere00:08:28
because this is what it was until now,00:08:32
this war was everywhere only for Ukraine00:08:36
and for Russia it was like a war, so I00:08:40
wrote somewhere it was a war like a TV00:08:43
marathon00:08:45
like this, as if on a sad topic,00:08:47
funny00:08:49
we are collecting money in the benefit of those who died there,00:08:52
catastrophes, but at the same time, kind of funny00:08:56
good songs,00:08:58
this war is like a TV marathon from my00:09:01
point of view. This kind of war in 202300:09:06
will end for Russia00:09:08
and just a war will begin,00:09:12
and as for everyone who left. Well, I’m00:09:16
thinking about the fact that in general,00:09:18
of course not I probably00:09:21
don’t have any organizational resources or financial resources, but because00:09:24
just like I left, I think that in 2024 we00:09:28
need to prepare an00:09:31
alternative country with a Blue Light00:09:36
with a00:09:38
different message from other people, that is,00:09:42
we need to start living in an alternative00:09:45
Russia,00:09:46
this can’t be fixed.00:09:49
And there will probably be much more important00:09:53
interesting ones people are00:09:55
just for starters, that is, here is my00:09:58
forecast war Not foreva but war everywhere00:10:03
evrila00:10:06
I won’t believe that you watched Blue00:10:09
Light00:10:15
withstand Yes, I was not able to,00:10:18
it should be noted that watching Putin’s all00:10:23
speeches00:10:24
I also was not able to, that is, so00:10:28
I started watch then I saw that00:10:31
it would last 15 minutes, but I was already watching00:10:34
the recording and decided that I was00:10:38
this endless chewing of the same00:10:41
gum00:10:42
about how we will defeat everyone and how00:10:46
important it is and how all the other traitors00:10:49
and enemies are. Damn, I’m already me this is no longer00:10:53
able to listen. Well,00:10:55
we see a person who, out of00:10:59
nowhere, created00:11:02
I don’t know,00:11:05
out of nowhere,00:11:10
today we can speak with full00:11:13
confidence of hundreds of thousands of people,00:11:15
and this man comes out on the screen,00:11:18
surrounded by his guards, even on the screen00:11:22
and begins mutter for 15 minutes on New Year's Eve00:11:26
about how he correctly staged this00:11:29
massacre. Damn, I don't know, I have some kind00:11:32
of feeling like listening to Chikatilo's last word, I did00:11:38
n't have the nerves, I00:11:42
just decided not to spoil my00:11:45
New Year's mood and passed out, I agree Why did00:11:50
people in Russia very slowly00:11:53
realize that there was actually a war going on,00:11:57
of course not for everyone, a significant00:11:59
number of people, a huge number of00:12:01
people who understood this directly on the 24th were horrified and00:12:05
began to take some steps to00:12:10
protect themselves and their loved ones. And some00:12:13
people They even began to take, in general, much00:12:16
more serious steps to help00:12:18
Ukraine. You and I should not00:12:23
underestimate the fact that, in general, not small,00:12:27
given the existing realities, the flow of00:12:30
funds that went at that moment, while00:12:33
it was still possible, in favor of the00:12:37
armed forces of Ukraine from Russia.00:12:39
They are just money.00:12:42
people came later who began to leave people00:12:46
who began to leave even before mobilization00:12:50
or realizing that they personally were00:12:53
not threatened by mobilization at all, they simply did not want to00:12:56
work for this regime, this is very important, and00:12:59
me and my colleagues00:13:02
in our projects Here is the dawn and the Ark we00:13:06
help these people simply because we00:13:09
believe that, well, these are very worthy people,00:13:13
that is,00:13:14
it is clear that any person leaving00:13:18
Russia loses a lot in at00:13:21
least social status, not to mention the fact00:13:24
that people also lose in00:13:27
property status very many very00:13:29
many people just they are leaving for nowhere,00:13:32
but these are very worthy people and it’s an00:13:35
honor for me personally to help them; another00:13:39
thing is that00:13:42
the opportunities are limited, but00:13:46
let’s hope that over time00:13:51
the diaspora of normal Russians outside00:13:54
Russia will be more influential in this sense00:13:59
and we will be able to provide broader assistance.00:14:05
If we talk about these blue00:14:09
lights and everything else, it’s clear that00:14:13
some of them were recorded before December 31,00:14:16
but some were broadcast live. Well, in00:14:20
any case, of course, it all00:14:22
looked absolutely terrible against the backdrop of the events in00:14:27
which hundreds of mobilized people simply died, no matter how00:14:31
we belonged to the00:14:34
fact that these people00:14:36
crossed the00:14:40
border of the00:14:42
independent00:14:44
state of Ukraine with arms in their hands. Well, nevertheless, these are00:14:47
citizens of Russia, these are nevertheless those people00:14:50
who, in general, did not go there completely00:14:54
voluntarily, and00:14:57
so they simply died, they died and00:15:00
died00:15:02
not only because the00:15:05
fact that00:15:08
Ukraine effectively used00:15:11
American weapons, but also because00:15:15
their leadership simply00:15:18
turned out to be stupid freaks, just stupid00:15:22
freaks. Or maybe it’s good that they00:15:26
turned out to be stupid freaks, fewer people will die who are00:15:30
not involved, who00:15:34
otherwise would have been killed in Ukraine more, but00:15:38
we We must00:15:40
also think about our fellow citizens,00:15:44
and now we can00:15:47
say for sure that if it weren’t for00:15:51
Putin’s aggressive war against Ukraine.00:15:54
And if00:15:57
someone really attacked Russia, then with these stupid00:16:00
freaks it would be possible, but I don’t know00:16:05
the naval war because to fight is an00:16:08
army that00:16:10
has been fed for decades00:16:15
by transferring it, in general. Well, it’s like there’s00:16:19
absolutely no extra money that you00:16:22
could go to us for the needs of00:16:26
healthcare, education, and so on,00:16:29
so the army can’t fight from00:16:32
it is headed by stupid freaks So00:16:37
[music]00:16:41
and this is what we all watched and the00:16:45
Ukrainians showed us this once again on New Year’s00:16:50
Eve what will happen in 23 is that the00:16:56
Awareness of00:16:59
this war being waged at the00:17:03
command of00:17:05
one person who has become a maniac I’m00:17:08
just like that00:17:11
Unfortunately, I00:17:13
have to say that the president of my00:17:18
country has become just a bloody maniac,00:17:21
it happens that these people00:17:25
will realize this from the00:17:29
death of their loved ones to the deterioration of the00:17:33
lives of all Russians. Well, this is the price00:17:37
that we will pay, we, our children,00:17:43
our grandchildren will pay for the fact that at00:17:46
one time we did not have enough00:17:47
strength to stop all this,00:17:53
now again the question is00:17:58
in order to move from military00:18:02
issues to them. Let’s return to00:18:05
what I said at the beginning as00:18:07
economic, among other things.00:18:09
As we, in fact, and the Kremlin00:18:12
declares, there is an economic war00:18:14
in addition in addition to the war00:18:20
directly on the battlefield00:18:22
[music]00:18:23
Well, maybe you know how it’s probably not very00:18:27
noticeable to a resident of a large00:18:30
Russian city.00:18:32
But in this war it’s somehow00:18:35
unexpected for me. I think that for00:18:38
many, unexpectedly,00:18:39
Russia somehow withstands these00:18:43
sanctions, these, these, this pressure is that00:18:46
due to the fact that00:18:48
our economy is run not by freaks00:18:52
like the army, but still by00:18:54
professional people during the Second00:18:58
World War, the00:18:59
Soviet Union, the economy of the Soviet00:19:02
Union continued to exist, having lost00:19:06
approximately00:19:09
half of its industrial potential by the end of forty-one,00:19:12
that is, Russia is huge country and00:19:17
when we talk about the economy,00:19:19
size certainly matters here,00:19:22
and I personally did not expect that any00:19:25
sanctions would00:19:28
have a dramatic immediate00:19:32
impact on the situation. The situation in the country,00:19:36
however, of course sanctions have an00:19:38
impact on what is happening. We are already00:19:41
now We see that there are00:19:46
already problems with the production of high-precision weapons00:19:49
and, in general, these problems will00:19:51
grow. We understand that in00:19:53
the medium term, of course, the00:19:56
Russian economy has suffered a00:19:59
catastrophic blow and those 25 or 3000:20:04
million00:20:06
high-paying jobs that00:20:08
Putin said at the beginning of his00:20:10
presidential career will never again00:20:14
case during our lifetime00:20:16
in Russia it simply never arose. There is00:20:21
such a word when I say that they will00:20:23
never arise in our lifetime, this00:20:25
means that our children in Russia will never00:20:29
in their lives be able to get00:20:34
qualified, highly paid00:20:38
professional work Well, simply00:20:40
because by the time when God willing, this will00:20:43
all end,00:20:46
even our children will already be too00:20:50
old for them to be able to00:20:53
take advantage of this situation, grandchildren.00:20:55
Maybe, but you understand, Putin00:20:59
dealt a fatal blow to the future of our00:21:03
children.00:21:05
If we talk about the00:21:08
immediate and rapid00:21:11
sufficient impact of sanctions, then00:21:14
as you remember in the end Last year,00:21:17
several sanctions measures were taken00:21:20
in relation to Russian oil;00:21:23
firstly, it was the Blockade, that is, the refusal of the00:21:27
West to purchase Russian oil;00:21:30
secondly, it was the installation of a00:21:34
price ceiling;00:21:36
today we can00:21:39
say with confidence that the00:21:43
general situation on the market for Russian00:21:47
oil unfavorable things have developed as a result of this, I00:21:49
listen with surprise to00:21:52
some00:21:54
respected experts who say that the00:21:57
price ceiling worked No, of course the00:21:59
price ceiling didn’t work, it couldn’t00:22:01
have worked, this is absolutely00:22:03
socialist idiotic In my opinion, a00:22:06
measure that only00:22:09
socialist governments could00:22:11
come up with, I don’t know what the reason for them00:22:14
accepted00:22:15
[music] by00:22:17
fairly qualified specialists00:22:22
and from00:22:25
Western countries. Well, I just think that00:22:28
maybe politicians didn’t hear them. But the fact00:22:30
that the Blockade of the premium market00:22:33
had a very serious impact on the00:22:38
ability of Russian companies00:22:40
to sell oil is without any doubt,00:22:43
that is, the discounts that were on00:22:45
Russian oil before that, at least they00:22:51
have now remained the same, but against the00:22:54
backdrop of a warm winter, against the backdrop of the fact that00:22:57
energy consumption in the world in the00:23:01
winter did not increase as it00:23:03
could have increased if the winter had not been00:23:05
warm, then as a result, oil prices00:23:09
went down and during in any case, they are not growing00:23:12
And the margin on00:23:15
Russian discount on Russian oil00:23:19
has remained quite high and as a00:23:21
result it00:23:22
turns out Well, firstly, it is lower00:23:26
simply due to market conditions, lower than the00:23:29
price ceiling that was established00:23:31
And secondly, it in total as a result00:23:34
turns out to be lower than the cost of00:23:36
production of this oil in Russia, but that’s not00:23:39
so00:23:40
bad for the Russian economy, the00:23:43
real trouble will begin this year.00:23:47
When the00:23:49
second element of the blockade comes into effect, this is a00:23:54
refusal to purchase Russian00:23:56
petroleum products; taking Russian00:23:59
petroleum products outside the European00:24:01
premium market is a damn disaster in general00:24:05
from the point of view of transport costs,00:24:07
I think that00:24:15
extremely difficult times await the Russian oil industry and, accordingly, the Russian federal budgets00:24:18
Vladimir Boris And you, as a person,00:24:22
as I understand it, you are not a professional00:24:25
economist, but you What do you expect from the economy,00:24:27
if anything at all, it will begin now00:24:31
and then I will return a little to the question of what I00:24:34
expect in general from this year00:24:39
from the point of view of the00:24:41
military political situation,00:24:44
but here there is one detail that everyone00:24:48
must keep in mind for some reason00:24:51
in the00:24:54
mass consciousness the00:24:56
goal of economic sanctions against00:24:58
Russia is the00:25:01
overthrow of the Putin regime,00:25:04
everyone expects the goal of00:25:08
economic sanctions should be a sharp00:25:11
deterioration in the quality of life in Russia the00:25:15
sacred masses of the people will rise up and00:25:19
realize the destructiveness of the war and the regimes00:25:22
that were unleashed and this regime is some00:25:26
kind of strange mess in people’s heads00:25:29
that has nothing to do with00:25:31
reality00:25:33
and sanctions are adopted from my point of00:25:36
view for two reasons, the00:25:40
first reason is reactive, they are00:25:42
adopted simply because something00:25:44
must be done00:25:47
aimlessly because from the point of view of a00:25:50
normal world order, if there is00:25:55
some kind of criminal action and00:25:58
declaring war on another state,00:26:01
aggression is certainly an00:26:03
international crime, then it must be00:26:06
somehow responded to, punished, that is,00:26:10
in this sense, as Pushkin wrote, the purpose of00:26:13
poetry is poetry A the purpose of the sanction, the sanction of the00:26:17
world, is rather moral, in this00:26:20
way we demonstrate that we00:26:23
can do at least something,00:26:25
and secondly, if the rational component of the00:26:28
actual purpose of the sanction is to restrain the00:26:33
growth00:26:36
and difficulty of this very ability00:26:38
to wage an aggressive war00:26:41
and this goal the sanctions achieve, that is,00:26:45
they do not achieve that the goals that we00:26:47
thought of there like But two more or three00:26:51
sanctions and will begin in Russia have00:26:56
never been set, but they achieve the goal of00:26:59
making it difficult to maneuver00:27:02
resources they suffer the goal of00:27:05
freezing the technological00:27:07
gap they achieve the goal of00:27:13
increasing the rate of economic growth, which does00:27:16
not make it possible00:27:17
to re-adjust it first of all for military purposes, from a point of view,00:27:22
sanctions are of a purely00:27:24
utilitarian nature and00:27:27
they achieve this utilitarian nature. They slow down the00:27:29
development of Russia, complicate00:27:31
maneuvers resources in the body of the war proposal,00:27:34
and as for the Revolution, that is,00:27:37
canonical from my point of view, the work of00:27:38
Yuri Pivovarov, who showed that00:27:42
even in general after such a difficult00:27:45
ordeal as the00:27:47
First World War, the00:27:50
decline in production in Russia was not00:27:53
so significant. As could be00:27:54
expected, the00:27:55
greatest uprising riots were in those00:27:58
provinces in which the00:28:02
relative profitability of peasant00:28:04
farms fell by some insignificant00:28:07
percentage.00:28:08
But it was precisely where the decline itself00:28:12
was the smallest that was greatest00:28:13
the number of arson attacks on00:28:15
noble estates is greater than such microbes.00:28:18
This suggests that the revolution is00:28:20
not happening because00:28:23
someone is getting poorer, but because00:28:27
some other00:28:30
moral and political00:28:32
gaps are working, that is, the level of accumulation of00:28:34
hatred, let’s say, in society is growing and00:28:37
goes beyond some limits beyond00:28:40
which society cannot count00:28:41
open civil war begins,00:28:43
this happens in principle without any00:28:47
connection with the economy. Of course there00:28:49
is some kind of reduction00:28:55
in life, it is necessary, but this is not a trigger,00:28:58
only one of the conditions. Therefore, I think00:29:00
that everything that will happen in Russia00:29:03
It will happen outside of this00:29:06
direct connection like from unemployment, so much so that00:29:12
real wages have increased in percent, so they have00:29:15
fallen, so we have laid down the whole formula, we have00:29:17
calculated that there is a Russian Revolution, no,00:29:19
this will not happen at all, so00:29:20
here I believe that the00:29:23
economy is going its own way, life is going00:29:27
its own way way and it will depend most of00:29:30
all on one factor, as I believe00:29:33
this year this factor will be00:29:38
and now from the next00:29:42
public opinion the00:29:44
mass perception of, let’s say,00:29:47
the success or failure of this regime00:29:50
in achieving its own stated00:29:53
national goals, paradoxically,00:29:56
the regime will be measured by its own the regime00:30:00
will be measured by the yardstick, you mean for military00:30:03
purposes,00:30:04
the regime will be measured by its ability00:30:08
to give victory to the masses, and here for00:30:12
this year it is a very interesting year00:30:16
of self-determination00:30:18
because00:30:20
for Putin now there is a very00:30:23
difficult fork in the road00:30:26
in terms of his comfort zone, as always it is00:30:30
beneficial for him to stay at what he has achieved and00:30:35
he doesn’t change anything at all, he’s the classic hero of this00:30:39
Gogol fairy tale about two generals00:30:43
who seemed to sit and always dream of00:30:45
changing everything around him, it doesn’t00:30:47
change anything at every stage where he00:30:51
will stay, it’s good00:30:52
to change everything like that, it doesn’t change anything That’s him now00:30:55
is satisfied with an eternal war,00:30:57
here is an eternal war, this is such an extremely00:31:00
comfortable state for the Russian government00:31:03
today, in fact, today00:31:05
Surkov’s ideal has been realized00:31:07
that while the war is going on, no one asks00:31:10
any unnecessary questions, no one00:31:13
asks who is pressing for military00:31:15
contracts, no one asks how00:31:19
rusty your state machine is, but I00:31:22
asks how, firstly, it’s unsafe, and00:31:25
secondly, how can one ask people00:31:28
who are fighting00:31:30
a war, this is a00:31:33
war, he writes off everything, it’s very incredibly00:31:36
comfortable, and he would have continued enough for a00:31:39
year and two and thirty-six as long as God00:31:42
allows us to fight forever. Well, listen, there are a00:31:47
lot of people there, 100,000 there, 100,000 here.00:31:50
Well, a problem is a problem, the people, it’s not00:31:56
that they are not ready to bear the burden,00:31:59
but at some point this People are already00:32:02
inflamed by this propaganda, they00:32:05
will say, well, how long00:32:08
and why will they say how long, I’ll tell you00:32:11
because I’m one of my00:32:13
forecasts00:32:15
Well, so simple for the 23rd year that it00:32:19
will happen more and more on the00:32:21
territory of Russia,00:32:22
not figuratively in the sense of00:32:24
feeling like this, this is what you00:32:27
observed in Engels, what we are now00:32:30
increasingly observing in the border00:32:32
regions, but the00:32:34
Ukrainians will not sit under a bench and00:32:38
watch how it crumbles missiles bombs she and the00:32:43
cities That is, when Putin in September00:32:46
stepped onto this slippery,00:32:48
harsh path when he picked up a00:32:51
commander behind whom he would not rust, she00:32:54
was selling the commander who was stupidly ready to00:32:57
turn the war into a war,00:33:02
in fact,00:33:05
not everyone, not every general, No00:33:09
matter what stupid boots they were, he he00:33:13
will take it upon himself, so he found one00:33:15
who is ready to take it, which he00:33:16
proved before that he is ready to take it,00:33:20
when they transferred the war to this00:33:22
format, it00:33:24
took some time, but we see00:33:26
how Ukraine is waking up and there is also its own00:33:29
pressure and they also say how long then00:33:32
there is And an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,00:33:36
no one has canceled the eyes, that is, the war00:33:40
will overlap, it’s inevitable when it00:33:43
will overlap, it will be impossible00:33:46
Because you can’t talk about it with No00:33:49
Solovyov00:33:50
and then it will arise until Give victory,00:33:54
but to give victory you need Comfort to00:33:59
go out again and all will put the country00:34:01
on end and this is a problem that will be00:34:04
solved throughout the year 23. That is,00:34:07
I see the00:34:08
problem of the forecast00:34:13
and the complexity of the forecast in 23 is that there00:34:16
is a basic forecast, obviously a00:34:18
basic forecast is trench warfare00:34:21
because, in principle, no one on the other00:34:24
side has now the resource is ready00:34:26
to turn the situation around00:34:28
and at the same time there are no conditions00:34:32
to agree on a truce00:34:34
because the political price of a truce and00:34:37
for Zelensky for Putin is higher than the00:34:40
political price of continuing the war,00:34:42
but at the same time Putin has a more00:34:46
ridiculous situation than Zelensky. It’s00:34:48
precisely Putin who has more vulnerable00:34:51
because he may be faced with a demand from the00:34:54
masses for Victory00:34:56
and then he will have to open up, that00:34:59
is, then he will have to take00:35:00
active actions active actions this00:35:03
means stirring up another no longer00:35:06
partial And this is like a total00:35:09
mobilization this means starting to shred00:35:12
this economy now it exists so00:35:15
well00:35:17
it exists like this because it seems to be00:35:21
waging a war on the residual principle. That00:35:24
is, it functions as a00:35:26
civil time economy with all its00:35:29
market mechanisms due to which it was not00:35:31
possible to mix the effect of sanctions in many ways,00:35:33
but at the same time with a knife. But if you00:35:37
now start to become active and work for A00:35:40
rifle victory for Igor Ivanovich, then there are two00:35:44
conditions for a universal00:35:47
million and a half,00:35:50
and then the transfer of the entire economy to00:35:54
military flights. And this is a completely different00:35:57
life. Another war and this is all, to00:36:00
hit or not to hit. That’s the question. This00:36:03
will be decided. 23 is another wave of00:36:06
immigration I think that this time00:36:10
the borders will be more fun, not a cheerful00:36:13
forecast from you00:36:15
As one of my colleague, a00:36:18
lawyer who deals with the issue of migration, says at00:36:32
least the regime will not raise a wave of00:36:35
resistance for those00:36:37
resistance it comes in00:36:40
different forms let’s00:36:42
take a dip in00:36:43
that lake in which you and I both00:36:47
love to splash around00:36:49
this lake of historical memories And00:36:52
who was the main00:36:55
Glasung opponent of the regime00:36:59
there sometime between 905-917 who was00:37:05
heartbroken for Russian democracy00:37:08
collectible democrats in extreme cases,00:37:11
October00:37:13
socialists, revolutionaries,00:37:16
and somewhere there was such a small gang00:37:20
that in April00:37:23
1917, in my opinion, numbered 3,00000:37:26
people00:37:27
who were called Bolsheviks00:37:32
and they were also opponents of the regime00:37:36
and who defeated the regime,00:37:40
constitutional democrats who00:37:42
convened meetings throughout the country00:37:43
who wrote treatises plans for00:37:47
democratization no because from behind them a00:37:50
small gang jumped out00:37:53
which was already absolutely not00:37:55
democratic, but they hated this regime00:37:59
no less than all the constitutional democrats00:38:01
out there and that’s why you say00:38:06
patriotism00:38:07
as loyal patriotism But a00:38:11
completely new phenomenon may arise; it00:38:14
actually exists. It just may00:38:15
jump out because of the back this phenomenon will be00:38:18
called anti-Putin patriotism00:38:21
and there is also a must, these are not00:38:24
necessarily people of the Stykov type, most00:38:28
likely the direction and one of my00:38:30
forecasts is that this will be a difficult00:38:34
year for the shooters,00:38:36
I was00:38:38
going to write in this I think00:38:41
that washing is closer than ever in00:38:44
order to repeat the fate of Navalny,00:38:45
whom he mostly remembers00:38:48
because that’s why he was kept on the00:38:52
surface, so with Navalny, too, the00:38:54
time has expired,00:38:56
now he does less harm than good,00:38:59
and00:39:00
from my point of view,00:39:03
this is the phenomenon Here is another forecast for00:39:06
this year this is an00:39:07
explosive growth outside of the systemic patriotism of an00:39:12
anti-regime patriotism that will00:39:15
beat this government with its own card,00:39:18
he will talk about the fact that now00:39:21
Mikhail Borisovich has been00:39:23
increasingly coinciding with the00:39:26
rifleman in the unit they will say00:39:30
These are freaks,00:39:32
but only we say that they are freaks00:39:34
because they are they started a war. They00:39:36
say that they are freaks because they00:39:37
can’t even wage it normally. It’s no coincidence that the00:39:39
difference00:39:42
in assessment coincides.00:39:45
In recent days, I would even00:39:48
say that lately there has been talk00:39:51
that the Kremlin is also concerned about this00:39:54
gang of00:39:55
out-of-system, out-of-system patriotism00:39:58
Yes. there you can add a lot more names00:40:02
and that there seems to be a project00:40:07
to create a political party, maybe00:40:10
headed by Rogozin, which should00:40:13
somehow00:40:15
build this gang into the system, just like00:40:19
the Communist Party is built into the system, like the built-in00:40:21
LDPR system. There and so on they can00:40:24
create00:40:25
they can create 10 parties, nine of them,00:40:29
put them in some very important00:40:32
archival place,00:40:34
you understand, they started a war00:40:38
and the war is against00:40:40
Surkovism, that’s all, war is the end of the game00:40:45
of partisanship, that is, they seriously think00:40:49
that they,00:40:51
wounded by a pickled cucumber, know where00:40:55
Rogozin will be made the head of some00:40:59
pseudo-patriotic party, they00:41:01
will portray00:41:03
what -it’s very difficult to00:41:06
portray Zhirinovsky, because at the same time he was a00:41:07
talented provocateur, you know, but they do00:41:11
n’t have any more provocateurs, they have a boring,00:41:14
sad and pretentious one, they’re different. So they00:41:18
think that they will create some kind of00:41:21
pseudo-toy, this pseudo toy00:41:24
will kill That’s already an animal feeling00:41:29
hatred that was not awakened by the war.00:41:31
No, well, it will find its00:41:34
own incarnations and will00:41:36
not fit into any party; this hatred is no longer00:41:39
formatted.00:41:42
What do you think about the political and00:41:45
political prospects of this patriotic sheikh?00:41:55
Vladimir Putin, a pseudo-patriotic person, said it herself. having started the war, he00:41:59
began to cultivate, that is, he introduced them to a00:42:03
nutritious broth in this nutritious00:42:05
broth, they are now00:42:08
increasing their00:42:11
political potential, their00:42:12
political weight is00:42:17
already tens of thousands today and00:42:21
there will be hundreds of thousands; among them there will be00:42:24
many people00:42:26
not just capable00:42:29
and ready to shoot, but also people for00:42:34
whom war has become the only meaning of life00:42:38
and, in general, in this situation for00:42:42
Putin this is a00:42:44
much more serious threat than any00:42:49
pieces of his00:42:53
lazy00:42:55
and ever-submissive electorate, well00:42:59
[music]00:43:01
his Putin electorate Well, maybe00:43:04
grumble, maybe00:43:06
start telling some jokes00:43:08
And these guys are just they can00:43:11
come to kill and00:43:14
rely on the army that it will be this00:43:18
national patriot in this00:43:21
situation to resist. It can’t be better, I00:43:25
think that when Prigozhin already00:43:28
had about00:43:32
40 thousand fighters at hand, and among these 4000:43:37
thousand fighters there are about 4-6 thousand00:43:42
professionals that is, the non-commissioned officers are00:43:45
quite professional00:43:50
criminals Despite the fact that Despite the00:43:55
fact that the00:43:58
supply of these people continues to go through the00:44:02
line of the Ministry of Defense00:44:05
nevertheless for Putin I think that this00:44:08
should cause Putin This should00:44:10
cause00:44:11
serious concern because00:44:14
there is no FSO from this will not protect and, in00:44:19
general, at some point00:44:21
the story with the fact that00:44:25
I will give a command to Prigozhin,00:44:29
relatively speaking, Putin thinks everything, so he00:44:33
should already be thinking about whether Prigozhin will carry out00:44:35
this command Yes, but then he00:44:39
will call Prigozhin to the Kremlin and they00:44:42
will try to arrest him, but will he be able to will he00:44:45
arrest him, will they release him Then00:44:48
today, after all, these people, these 4000:44:52
thousand people, they00:44:54
completely associate their well-being with00:44:57
Mr. Prigozhin from whose hands00:45:00
They receive, albeit00:45:07
state money, but nevertheless00:45:09
he receives money from the hands of Prigozhin00:45:13
and in general this is everything and not a00:45:17
joke at all. In general, I think that these are00:45:21
these national patriots, they will00:45:24
pose an00:45:29
ever-increasing threat to the current regime. And in order to00:45:32
minimize this threat to00:45:35
Putin, in fact, there is only00:45:38
one00:45:40
possible way out: to continue to00:45:44
increase00:45:46
and military actions to dispose of these00:45:50
people at the front,00:45:52
at the same time increasing their00:45:55
number. That is precisely why I believe00:45:58
that no negotiations with this regime will00:46:04
give peace today; the00:46:06
same Putin00:46:12
will be forced to use any suspension of military operations00:46:14
only to strengthen00:46:17
this these units00:46:19
increase the production of weapons,00:46:21
ammunition, create some reserves and00:46:24
then start again,00:46:26
it doesn’t even depend on what he wants00:46:29
or doesn’t want. Although in general, as I00:46:32
already said, I have serious doubts00:46:36
that he adequately perceives00:46:40
reality, but nevertheless it doesn’t even00:46:42
depend on what he wants or doesn’t00:46:43
want, there are tens of thousands, if not00:46:47
hundreds of thousands of people who link00:46:50
their high social status,00:46:54
their prospects precisely with the continuation00:46:57
of the war, and the number of such people, the00:47:01
number of interested parties, their power and00:47:04
influence will need to increase with each month of the war00:47:09
understand, we are not dealing with a00:47:12
socialist state, not with a00:47:15
total state, after all, we are00:47:17
dealing with a00:47:19
cryptocratic state where00:47:21
interests actually have enormous00:47:25
hidden significance and today Putin00:47:29
strengthens those people; this war strengthens00:47:33
those people for whom it is the00:47:35
source of the social status00:47:38
of the well-being of the situation so00:47:41
twisting you think you think00:47:44
that the war itself00:47:47
will collapse the00:47:50
political system,00:47:52
I can’t say that it will definitely collapse it,00:47:55
I can say that if, uh,00:48:01
if Putin tried to swim against00:48:04
the tide, then00:48:07
today it would no longer be00:48:10
such an elementary exercise uh today00:48:14
his00:48:15
electoral rating today his00:48:17
opportunities today his influence on the00:48:19
political situation in the country is already00:48:23
limited and then they will be limited00:48:25
more and more and Putin as a person,00:48:29
we see what he is essentially, this is within00:48:31
himself, he is a very dependent person, very much the00:48:34
kind of person00:48:35
who doesn’t care it’s so difficult for him to00:48:39
influence his inner circle, so I00:48:44
expect that he can00:48:47
respond to these wishes of00:48:51
this growing00:48:54
national-patriotic stratum, he00:48:56
will feel to respond to their wishes as00:49:00
far as he can. To where the00:49:02
confrontation of the Ukrainians will give him this00:49:05
opportunity, I don’t know whether00:49:08
it’s true or not you know such Leagues Maybe it’s00:49:11
a legend Maybe it’s reality they say that00:49:14
everyone who gets to Putin’s office Everyone00:49:17
comes out satisfied from there to everyone he00:49:20
says Yes, the main thing is to get there to this00:49:23
office, yes, that is, he promises everything to everyone00:49:26
He can promise the whole question Yes, but00:49:30
nevertheless everyone comes out happy00:49:32
But this is his, these are his talents, these are his00:49:36
skills, he will know how to do this well for people,00:49:39
but interests, that is, there are already00:49:43
specific interests and interests00:49:46
to make yourself comfortable do not lie in the sphere of peaceful00:49:49
life and churning icicles in00:49:52
St. Petersburg,00:49:54
icicles in St. Petersburg, an incomprehensible00:49:56
story here there is such a simple openness00:49:58
conflict public conflict Prigozhin00:50:02
with the governor Beglov00:50:04
already Lukashenko even stood up for Beglov00:50:07
so casually remarking in St. Petersburg00:50:11
during this recent meeting The00:50:13
Lord of the Rings00:50:15
about how well they clean up St. Petersburg for no reason00:50:19
Lukashenko decided to00:50:22
apparently support Beglov and therefore that00:50:24
because because this is an open00:50:28
struggle, there is a conflict and that and00:50:31
for some reason, uh, the Supreme Arbiter does not00:50:35
interfere, he allows his00:50:38
subjects, that is, to fight publicly,00:50:41
why is he still trying to00:50:44
say the balance of power, so to speak, we perceive that the00:50:47
reason why The bedlov of00:50:50
today Prigozhin has not yet been able to00:50:54
suffice because he was a fugitive from the same00:50:56
GB-schnik like many other people from00:51:00
Putin’s entourage and his00:51:03
work colleagues in general do not really want to00:51:05
hand him over because for them it is a weakening.00:51:08
So Prigozhin thereby comes into00:51:12
conflict with with one more00:51:17
with one more element of the traditional00:51:21
power elite of the state, but we see00:51:26
with you that this conflict is00:51:30
gradually becoming less and less obvious for the00:51:33
traditional power elite,00:51:41
that is, the result of this00:51:44
conflict is becoming less and less00:51:46
obvious, that is, relatively speaking, runaway00:51:48
dash Patrushev there six months ago this it was a00:51:54
one-goal game,00:51:55
fuglov, this Prigozhin00:52:00
Prigozhin Patrushev Prigozhin Shoigu six months00:52:03
ago it would have been a one-goal game,00:52:05
today it’s not at all00:52:07
obvious What will happen tomorrow, we’ll see. You’re the00:52:11
real opposition now, in fact, there’s only00:52:12
one because everyone else is there, everyone00:52:15
else is there, there are two of them. yes, three00:52:17
parties they are not any opposition00:52:22
if we are talking about the parliamentary00:52:24
opposition then00:52:27
Prigozhin is not the parliamentary00:52:30
opposition if we are talking about the power00:52:32
opposition Yes, today00:52:35
Putin’s de facto two forces, one force is the00:52:38
traditional force and the second is, so to00:52:41
speak, these are00:52:43
Prigozhin’s proxy groups not only Prigozhin’s,00:52:45
that means if we are talking about the real00:52:49
position, then Yes today there is00:52:52
What is called two columns,00:52:55
one column and danced Patriotic00:52:58
position and the other column is the00:53:01
Democratic position We are used to00:53:03
talking about the opposition to mean only the00:53:06
democratic opposition today this is not00:53:08
sotoday it is00:53:10
national-patriotic the opposition of the regime00:53:12
is at least no less00:53:15
influential. Another thing is that the00:53:18
Communist opposition is de facto an00:53:21
independent element. It has ceased to00:53:24
exist. Thank you, sir, but00:53:29
the salad is periodic, yes it does00:53:32
exist, and in my opinion, Prigogine’s00:53:35
intention is obvious to lead this very00:53:38
national periodic opposition00:53:41
by the way I wouldn’t discount the00:53:46
democratic opposition either; I would00:53:51
n’t at any point think that there are only00:53:54
these00:53:56
[music]00:53:58
kids in pink pants. No, of00:54:01
course not. The democratic position now,00:54:03
in general, is also quite tough; it quite00:54:04
accurately understands that any00:54:08
solutions to issues are will lie in the00:54:11
sphere of power and the Democratic Position00:54:14
in my opinion. In general, being aware of it, it is00:54:17
thinking through the options. How will00:54:21
these power levers also end up in its hands, taking00:54:23
into account the fact that in fact the00:54:27
Democratic Position has such experience00:54:29
in ninety-one and ninety-00:54:31
three year ago is a guarantee and so to speak,00:54:34
what happened in Ukraine during the00:54:36
Maidan is a good00:54:39
example. What is called a cross-border00:54:41
example, a good example from neighbors in general,00:54:46
all people are aware of themselves and all people in00:54:49
general are serious people, in any case,00:54:51
they think Today, already in these00:54:54
power criteria00:54:56
fundamental difference00:54:57
[music] The00:54:59
Patriotic position operates within00:55:01
the country and the Democratic position is squeezed00:55:03
out. The fact that00:55:08
notable figures are squeezed out, that00:55:14
public campaigning00:55:17
is carried out from abroad, that public00:55:21
campaigning is possible only from outside the00:55:24
Russian Federation, this does not mean00:55:27
that the democratic opposition does not00:55:30
have enough forces inside, they are another00:55:33
matter; today, not only absolutely irresponsible people can call on people to go out into the street00:55:36
without weapons,00:55:41
but simply00:55:43
because it will lead to00:55:46
absolutely necessary victims of repression, but00:55:49
this does not mean that we do not understand who and00:55:52
how to call on when from00:55:56
Something will depend on this.00:56:00
I wanted to say that the00:56:03
struggle for the communist legacy00:56:07
between two columns on the march is one00:56:12
that is00:56:16
interesting. The topic that I returned is00:56:20
not the end of the program in the future because there is00:56:24
really a very big question about00:56:26
what the Democratic position can00:56:30
oppose to a00:56:33
patriotic colony and what00:56:36
lessons it must learn from previous00:56:39
mistakes in order to be able to00:56:42
oppose something, they can00:56:44
agree with themselves, yes And then there is no one00:56:51
with those who are outside, that is, you understand, but00:56:54
this is a separate topic I don’t want to00:56:56
cut into this site now, we wo00:56:58
n’t get out on time And I wanted00:57:03
to say that there is such a strange00:57:05
belief,00:57:07
all of Putin’s series that he can00:57:11
turn on the war, turns on the light in the room,00:57:14
Putin came, turned on the light, put it on,00:57:18
thought No, I don’t like it, left the room00:57:21
and turned off the light, that’s00:57:22
not what happens with war, that war is00:57:26
such a semi-automatic device and you can turn it on00:57:28
you can’t turn it off,00:57:31
this is a serious problem00:57:33
because people think naively Believes that00:57:36
Putin can talk everything and why does00:57:38
n’t Putin become an arbiter, that is,00:57:42
it is assumed that Putin can be an00:57:43
arbiter between these forces, but for00:57:46
some reason they become00:57:49
lazy,00:57:50
cunning, let’s say nothing that’s00:57:53
why he’s not an arbiter because he can’t00:57:57
because if he puts his finger or hand between00:58:01
these gears,00:58:03
then these gears will work out00:58:06
his hand to the police, in fact he’s00:58:10
like that Well, yes, the Wizard of the Emerald City is a00:58:15
small creature somewhere out there00:58:17
hiding behind the00:58:19
unsellable than only evil in00:58:21
reality And00:58:24
he cannot interfere in anything00:58:27
because he created and initiated such a00:58:30
system, introduced such a regime that he00:58:34
can only be a wolf from episode 4. Well,00:58:36
wait, if anyone remembers our childhood,00:58:38
this is the episode where the wolf runs and the skating rink00:58:42
he flared up from the mountain, took a roll00:58:46
and the wolf is alive while he runs faster than a skating rink,00:58:49
so the war with all these00:58:52
gears is a skating rink and Putin is a wolf00:58:55
who is running from him And will continue to run00:58:57
As long as he has enough strength00:58:59
and, in fact, one of the reasons00:59:03
why everything is rolling like this And to the00:59:06
next thing, in addition to this,00:59:09
he said that if something Our task is to00:59:13
study Who are they interested in because00:59:18
for whom is the00:59:20
war00:59:22
of these here, for whom she, as a mother alone,00:59:24
becomes as much as possible in a00:59:28
critical state00:59:30
But besides this, I would say a cancer corps has arisen here00:59:36
it’s like this Circle of people00:59:39
for whom the question is not making money,00:59:43
for whom war is a condition for preserving00:59:47
life00:59:49
about this very00:59:51
capacity seemed shooters about his00:59:53
interview the day before yesterday, let’s go00:59:57
what I’m talking about while we’re fighting,01:00:01
the war will end for me in Gavu, they were looking for me, the01:00:05
Ukrainians will give me or hang me01:00:10
and these people and they represent the01:00:13
most terrible threat today for Russia01:00:16
and for the future of humanity and the number of01:00:20
these people Why Because this is that cancer01:00:23
this is Putin’s biggest support today01:00:25
He breeds them these are those who are01:00:28
surface01:00:30
these are these Kobulov and01:00:33
our Merkulov time, you know, who, in01:00:37
the event of the fall of the regime, will face an execution01:00:40
basement01:00:41
and therefore these people have no way out,01:00:44
they have no exit strategy. These people will01:00:48
shoot back on the stairs because01:00:51
while the war is going on, they are not alive, and the increase in the01:00:55
number of this cancerous political01:00:57
corps is also what scares me more01:00:59
of all, and therefore the task for the future in01:01:03
any position is to form broad01:01:06
alliances precisely against this cancerous01:01:09
corps against those for whom peace is01:01:13
suicide beginning of January beginning of 23 This is01:01:18
me now addressing our audience,01:01:19
our respected experts have outlined01:01:23
our prospects for you who will rejoice who there01:01:28
was no mustard We will have the opportunity01:01:30
to check your forecasts throughout the year,01:01:34
Vladimir Borisovich, while we say goodbye for a01:01:38
week in the road map program, and if01:01:42
events do01:01:44
not lead us astray from the true path, then01:01:48
perhaps in a week we will actually01:01:49
talk about the topic that you01:01:51
touched upon today at the very end01:01:53
these two uh opposition columns Yes and their01:01:58
relationship with each other uh and01:02:00
relationships with the authorities if you don’t01:02:03
mind yes a Then see you in a01:02:06
week All the best, the road map uh01:02:09
continues to be with you All the bestDescription:
Вижу, что зрители канала «Ходорковский Live» очень полюбили нашу с Владимиром Пастуховым и Виталием Дымарским еженедельную программу «Дорожная карта». Поэтому решил с нового года публиковать нашу беседу и на личном канале. В первом выпуске «Дорожной карты» в этом году поговорили о новогоднем обращении Владимира Путина, Голубом огоньке на пропагандистских телеканалах и о том, каким будет 2023 год. Почему ряженые сотрудники ФСО за спиной Путина выглядели еще ужаснее самого кровавого маньяка? Почему Владимир Пастухов ждёт взрывного роста антипутинского патриотизма? Готовы ли демократы на насильственное сопротивление и почему они теперь не главная оппозиция путинскому режиму? Что будет в 2023 году со Стрелковым, Пригожиным и их окружением? Почему Путин скорее всего будет обречен на тотальную мобилизацию? Обо всем этом — в новом выпуске «Дорожной карты». 00:00 Тизер 00:35 Дымарский: Война оттенила экономику 03:59 Пастухов про новогоднее обращение Путина и Голубой огонек 10:05 Ходорковский: Россияне активно финансировали ВСУ 14:06 Ходорковский про погибших в Макеевке 18:08 Ходорковский: По экономике России нанесен колоссальный удар 24:45 Пастухов: Помогут ли санкции свергнуть Путина? 29:22 Пастухов: Война будет всё больше идти на территории России 35:25 Пастухов об опыте 1905-1917 годах и антипутинском патриотизме 41:40 Ходорковский: Сможет ли Путин арестовать Пригожина? 49:45 Конфликт Пригожина и Беглова 52:10 Ходорковский: Теперь есть две колонны оппозиции 55:58 Пастухов: Путин не может включать и отключать войну ============================= Плейлисты: ► Блог Ходорковского: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7kI1pJUZbs&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl4Grv-wza2qAaE322NcoK0c ► Ответы на вопросы: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGc56bUvs8&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl7VIGZSi0O6vmqGTNKnqb9Y ► Интервью с Ходорковским: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUpN6Si0hGl6NhQa9nhFk3E6bwAgml7yM ► Правозащита Открытки: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4WjEvgt0tg&list=PLUpN6Si0hGl7aRDjrl1vICk3jXAjFtNtG ============================= Социальные сети: ► Twitter: http://bit.ly/MBK-Twitter ► Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ► Telegram: https://t.me/khodorkovski ► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ► ВКонтакте: http://bit.ly/MBK-VKontakte
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