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Баумейстер

Андрей Баумейстер

Философия

Геополитика

Миропорядок

Мировой порядок

Будущее Европы

Будущее Украины

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Hello dear friends, the

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second year of the full-scale

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Russian-Ukrainian

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war has ended, in connection with this in the world press

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there have been many publications, many analytics,

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many thoughts, but also in recent days

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they have written about another date of the decade of events

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on the Maidan in 2014, February, especially

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February 18-21, they often say that the war

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continues 10 years and in order to

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distinguish the war from what has been going on for

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three years now, they are talking about war and

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full-scale war, in this sense,

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the language is already normalized and often we must take into

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account

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the nuances; all these

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events put not only us citizens of

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Ukraine, Europeans, in front of new ones, but it

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seems to me this is an

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event of epochal changes that have yet

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to be

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comprehended. Our conversation today

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pursues much more modest

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goals. I would like in this

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conversation, summarizing the experience of the past

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two years and these

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ten, to ask a number of

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questions. I don’t have answers to them yet,

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but it seems to me that these questions can

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open new ones perspectives for thinking

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for discussion and push us towards

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non-standard, non-

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clichéd ways of solving the problems

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that have faced us and will continue to face

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us. Before moving on to these

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questions and a brief commentary on them, I will

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turn to a small text published

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in yesterday's German

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Frankfurt newspaper algin Sayn Saturday February 24th

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and this is a program text written by two

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authors Ursula Vonderlein, she doesn’t need to

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be introduced and Friedrich Merz Friedrich Merz

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is the Leader of the Central Board in fact the Leader of

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the Opposition and

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in general it’s surprising that under this article

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there are these two

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names: an active current politician and the

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head of

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the opposition, or rather an official and a politician

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The article is called

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create create a

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Union for the protection of the Union for the protection of Fedin

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Union

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Shan It is clear from the structure of the article that

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it was written

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sporadically, sometimes probably hastily,

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since in several sentences there are

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repetitions of words, which is uncharacteristic For a

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literate text, for example, in one

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large sentence the

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word manipulation is used twice,

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which means the text was not entirely subtracted

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was given right before publication the day before

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What is the main idea of this article,

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program

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document

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Well, firstly, the article is written in such

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very lofty

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tones, it begins with the fact that the world

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expected that with a full-scale

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reflection of the Russian Federation, Ukraine would

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not survive and it was a matter of several days But

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quoting this article, Ukrainian the people with

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courage and bravery refuted these

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predictions and in this

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one hundred that Putin’s attack is

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Putin’s aggression - This is a war against the European

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world against European security and

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against the idea of free democracy, you see, that

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is, these two authors will

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talk, they talk at the beginning about the heroism of the

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Ukrainian people and and about the fact that this is a war

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for fundamental values, the idea of

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democracy of free democracy,

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the security of Europe where Europe is

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called into

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question in this sense, the authors of the

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article say it is about our security and

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freedom, after

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this

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transition the authors’ thoughts about what

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needs to be done

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and here Ursula Vonderlein and Friedrich Merz

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they talk about the three main tasks that

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Europe now faces in front of

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European soybeans, these three tasks or

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what they call what we must

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do in the near future The first is

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decisive support

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for Ukraine to continue to strongly

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support Ukraine this is the

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first second this is strengthening the

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defense capability of Europe this is the second and in the

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article it is indicated that Europe must pass what exam the

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European

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Union is gradually strengthening its military

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power industrial military industry

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military industrial power And the third thing that is

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a little alarming in this article is the

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third task - to better arm

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ours, our Open Society, from

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manipulation and when it comes to

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armament against manipulation, the backside there is

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doubt that we are talking about a

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certain development of information

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policy, since the article often

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talks about propaganda about manipulation, about the fact

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that it needs to be resisted, we

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will talk about this today, these are three

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tasks and they are discussed in detail

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Further in this article, that is, assistance to

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Ukraine strengthening the defense capability

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of the European Union union and the fight against Krevo

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propaganda within the European

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Union, one

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can partly agree with them

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in order to sow hostility and

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create conflicts within the European

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Union and within NATO. This is the main

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part of the article and it ends almost on

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such a Roman rhetorical rise. I

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will allow myself to let you feel

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exactly The pathos of the authors is to see the

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canopy for

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not looking at the article, but it sounds like this

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when they are Europeans they They mean we are talking

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about Europeans about European

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citizens They see a people who, with

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all the forces of self-sacrifice, defend

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themselves from the aggressor

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Putin They see a people who strive to join the

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European

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family They see the people who the Armed Forces do so

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that their grandchildren are not forced to

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grow up in the shadow of the Kremlin

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walls and on the other hand, when it starts,

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they the authors of the article talk about the Ukrainians.

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Now they are talking about the Ukrainians. They, that

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is, the Ukrainians carry Europe in their hearts and

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thoughts, their future is ours. their future

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Freedom is our Freedom so we

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will continue to support them

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Here is an article In addition, in general, the entire

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issue of yesterday's Frankfurt Alma

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is dedicated to the events of the war, for example. Here,

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as you can see, almost on a sheet there is a

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list of the main

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events starting from February 24, this creates a

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certain certain order we are talking about

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We’ll talk about this again, it’s

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possible to withstand the burden of

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aid to Ukraine and Ursula Fonde and Merce are

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preparing European citizens for this, citizens of

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European countries, and at the same time in this

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same newspaper and in other German newspapers,

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for example,

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in a number of newspapers

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you also talk about the fact that the

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military industry the industry of the European

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Union of European countries is not ready for

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this, it turns out that a certain

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contradiction arises on the one hand, there are calls that

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this needs to be done practically

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today tomorrow, on the other hand this

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balance is balanced by

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publications from which we read

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resources, there are no such opportunities, we

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should but cannot yet, and this is the

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transition

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from not yet to what we must do

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now is already problematic and it is not described,

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in fact, the steps

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that need to be taken in order to move from what should be

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to what is, if we speak in

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Kant’s terminology from Zolin yn to be

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even a year and a year of Kant’s tercentenary of

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his birth, are not prescribed Let’s devote part of

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our conversations to this thinker, his role and

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perhaps his role for the near future in

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Europe, but today we have a different topic, so

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I’ll start with questions that

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relate to the events of a full-scale war.

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What questions arise? Now I’ll

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try to formulate them and get a little

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company

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and whether the

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Ukrainian political elite has done everything to

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prevent war This is question number

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one I want to be understood correctly in the

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situation of Russian aggression Everything is clear

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here there is no on the one hand on the other

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hand there are no colors here it is a

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black and white

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picture Russia is the aggressor and most importantly The burden

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of responsibility is the

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Russian leadership in particular Putin

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It is

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clear but when we focus only on

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this, we deprive ourselves of the opportunity

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to comprehend the events of February of the second

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year, the events of the twenty-first year, and the fact

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that it was

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certainly preceded by all the

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reasoning

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of the Heliks,

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such as

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that Russia could not, Russia

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was forced to attack,

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or Ukraine, as a member of NATO, threatened

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Russia Russia, aware of the threat

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was forced to invade this, for example, I ca

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n’t accept it, nothing can justify the

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aggression of one country against another,

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especially if we are talking about Europe,

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excuse my Eurocentrism, in general, there

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was a war in the world in Europe in

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1945, there was a war in the First World War and this is

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the Trace of great wars It is still is still alive, still

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active, therefore, and even more so

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Ukraine Ukraine was the arena of all the great

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wars of the 20th century, and when Ukraine is again the Arena of

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war in the 20th century, naturally this is a special

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case that is worth paying

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attention to. But I return to the question of

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whether the West made

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its great articles. especially in the second

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article, the famous German

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philosopher Habermas, Jurgen

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Habermas, spoke about the

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West and that the West

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also bears responsibility. I remember how

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he was then attacked at the end of the

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second year by the article. Now this

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question of his is becoming even more

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relevant: has everything been done at the level of

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negotiations on level of trying

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to solve the problem diplomatically, the

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easiest way is to blame everything on

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Putin’s treachery; this removes the burden of

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responsibility of Western partners from the

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Ukrainian political

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leadership itself. And we cannot solve complex

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problems if we cannot find an answer to

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this question; the second important

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question is the Russian Federation has advanced

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so far in the first months

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wars They also often try to

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switch our attention and push this

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issue into the background, speaking unconditionally

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about the real heroism of selflessness and the

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fact that here Ursula Vonderlein and I

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all predicted the rapid rapid

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fall of Ukraine, this did not happen, but

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nevertheless Russia is already 30 km away in Ned.

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from Kiev And the south of Ukraine was captured and

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this happened in a very short time,

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considering that Ukraine was still

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preparing for war and they were talking about war in

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recent years. It doesn’t mean that

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everyone was sure. For example, I didn’t believe until

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recently the possibility of such a war, I

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still- I still believed that at the level of diplomacy,

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wise people would be able to prevent this

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war, I considered it madness on all

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sides, however, if you believe our

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politicians, especially military and military

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experts, including people with whom

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I personally communicated, in any

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case, a lot was done to

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be ready for a possible invasion, but

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my second question remains valid Why did the

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Russian Federation advance so

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far? The third important question on which I

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will dwell in a little more detail. As you

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remember, in the first weeks of the war in the first

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months of the war there was hope that diplomacy,

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after all, if it didn’t catch up there,

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would be able

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to solve it here this situation and diplomatic

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negotiations

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will be able to stop hostilities. I

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remember how

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carefully I eagerly read all this

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news. What was my disappointment

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when the

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negotiations failed and the war began

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to continue. And this question is who

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disrupted these peace

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negotiations; this question requires an answer

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in connection with there is a lot of discussion around and

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what Putin already mentioned in a conversation with

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Tucker Carlson with reference to Arakhamia

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David Arakhamia, I remind you that he was the head of

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Ukraine in

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Istanbul and in connection with this the

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visit of Boris Johnson’s visit to Kiev on April 9 was mentioned,

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so that’s when I began to look for answers

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to these questions who said what exactly

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Boris Johnson said so far the picture

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looks

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like this about this year,

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namely what year Boris Johnson gave an

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interview to The

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Times, I am giving you these fragments of the interview

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with reference to the Voice of America, which I once again

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emphasize, which I will

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use today in this conversation exclusively

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from European or

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American sources so that I am not

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accused there of

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some kind of alien narrative,

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but these sources also provide enough food

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for thought and for asking the

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questions that I now

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gradually propose to you. So, with a link to the

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Voice of America, an interview with Boris Johnson in

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the Times, what is there

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it says So Johnson's visit to Kiev On

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April 9, 2022, Johnson himself in an interview with

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The Times This I quote Voice of America

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said that during his visit to

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Kiev he expressed

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concern about the possible

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terms of the agreement between Ukraine and Russia and

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promised that Britain would support Kiev

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1000% in quotes this is his phrase and there is no

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prohibition in quotes There was

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no talk on his part Johnson emphasized

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only that it was that he was not sure about the

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possibility of what

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with Russian President Vladimir

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Putin end of quote that Voice of America

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conveys his thoughts let's

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translate this into human

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Johnson, in an interview with The Times, claims

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that he did not prohibit

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Zelensky from anything, but simply expressed

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concern and was not saying the

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same. Britain will support Ukraine

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1000%, that’s all that Boris Johnson said.

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Accordingly, David Arakhamia, in an interview with

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The Times, also said that his words

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were interpreted incorrectly by the Russian

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side and began to be used for

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propaganda purposes, this is how the Voice of America also

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conveys the words of David

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Arakhamia David Arakhamia, in a conversation with

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Tas, said that the

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other side deliberately distorted the meaning of his

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words And that he did not talk about

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any orders or demands from

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Johnson, end of quote It seems to me and

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Johnson and Arakhamia staged

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some kind of semantic

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performance of the RNU and said that Well,

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Britain, at the instigation of America, ordered

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Ukraine to continue

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the war, it is clear that he said this with a

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challenge to exaggerate, and Rakha responded

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no, this is Kremlin Propaganda,

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no one gave us orders, and John said I

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just said expressed

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concern, but as a result of this,

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Johnson was concerned if he did not order

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anything; peace negotiations

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were carried out, judge for

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yourself. Is it so important to

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emphasize which verb was used;

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ordered;

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advised; expressed concern; doubted the

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result; negotiations

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were carried out and here when the

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Armed Forces are equal. In what form will we

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hand them over? Johnson arrived in Kiev on April 9,

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met with President Zelensky face

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to face

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TET they talked about something

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as a result of these conversations

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negotiations failed peace negotiations

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failed I

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somehow

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April 9 of this year is very stingy material

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here is the title of the BBC material

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again April 9 of the second year Johnson

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came on an unexpected visit to Kiev with an

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unexpected one, that is, this visit was not

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agreed upon in advance, but this is only part of the

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avalanches,

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translation,

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see

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armored vehicles, this title, we read the titles,

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three main messages, first, an unexpected

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visit, Johnson arrived spontaneously, as if he arrived,

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second, he held negotiations with Zelensky,

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third, these 120 armored vehicles are switching

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our attention, this is not such an important topic

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for which Johnson came to Kiev, that he should even

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come to Kiev so that the 12 brooches would

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not be from

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London, we look at this article further, we

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see there is very little material there,

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it is said in the BBC material that the format of

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negotiations is one on one

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held a meeting with Zelensky, the

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British Prime Minister noted that I am

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now quoting what Johnson said in the

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wake of these negotiations,

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Ukraine, contrary to all

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expectations, pushed back Russian troops from

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Kiev, pushed back Russian troops from

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Kiev and accomplished the greatest military

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feat of the 2nd

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century, the end of the first quote, that is, the

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greatest heroism in a military feat

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XXI

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century, accordingly, this statement by

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Boris Johnson is opposed to the

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statement of Putin, who claimed

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that the troops were withdrawn as a result of

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negotiations that were practically

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signed and as a

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result, as a gesture of goodwill, an order

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was given from Kiev by the Russian

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leadership to withdraw the troops. I

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don’t believe Putin’s statement for a second here, but I

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I want us to note this confrontation, a

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tough statement,

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history will show, researchers will examine the

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facts, present But in this case,

00:23:32

Boris Johnson spontaneously came to Kiev

00:23:35

and started talking about the greatest military feat of the

00:23:37

21st century. And Putin, showing what stack of

00:23:42

documents was signed in Istanbul, said

00:23:45

that the withdrawal of troops was one of the

00:23:48

first steps in the implementation of

00:23:51

this agreement is the following quote from the

00:23:55

statements of Boris

00:23:56

Johnson, thanks to the

00:24:00

confident leadership of President

00:24:03

Zelensky and the irresistible heroism and

00:24:06

courage of the Ukrainian people,

00:24:10

Putin’s monstrous plans are now being

00:24:12

thwarted, this is what he says on April 9,

00:24:20

2019, that is, My third question is Who

00:24:25

disrupted the Istanbul negotiations

00:24:29

settlement plan and here Johnson says I didn’t

00:24:34

order anything, we still don’t know who

00:24:36

was behind the breakdown of all these negotiations. But

00:24:39

in this case, I drew your attention

00:24:42

to how after the fact,

00:24:45

almost how many 2 years later, both

00:24:48

Johnson and

00:24:50

Arakhamia describe their speeches

00:24:53

their words solutions and how Putin describes it,

00:24:58

my fourth question is very important, it

00:25:01

seems private Especially for

00:25:05

Ukrainians, but it is very painful

00:25:08

for Germany United States of Europe as

00:25:11

a whole who blew up the Nord

00:25:15

Stream If you think that this issue is not

00:25:18

of interest to Europeans, you are mistaken

00:25:19

because a lot has happened and

00:25:23

is happening research materials with

00:25:25

detailed plans

00:25:28

for the Germans, this is a very painful question,

00:25:31

and if Europe itself, the European Union and the

00:25:35

United States do not

00:25:37

give a clear

00:25:39

answer to this question, this means that Vladimir Putin

00:25:42

will continue to have trump cards and Ironies

00:25:45

regarding the West, especially

00:25:47

regarding Germany. This is a very

00:25:49

painful topic for Germans so far Netta

00:25:53

Krevsky The dictator can be ironic

00:25:56

Ivory well Scholz swallowed this pill and

00:26:01

Scholz pretended that nothing happened

00:26:04

who blew up the Nord Stream We need an

00:26:06

answer to this

00:26:09

question The next question worth

00:26:13

answering Why at the

00:26:16

beginning of a full-scale war in February and

00:26:19

March In 1922 there were

00:26:21

queues at the

00:26:22

military registration and enlistment offices. Why were many men

00:26:25

sent home and told that we have a

00:26:28

full complement of staff, your turn will come,

00:26:32

don’t

00:26:33

rush, why was there a surge of

00:26:38

patriotism then, a surge of

00:26:40

patriotism of many, many men? And

00:26:45

why in the last six months and especially in the

00:26:47

last

00:26:48

months on the streets near the cities and villages of Ukraine,

00:26:56

people are being

00:26:58

grabbed on the streets Why are men

00:27:03

afraid of mobilization and why are there

00:27:07

fewer and

00:27:09

fewer people willing to fight? The question is: What happened during these 2

00:27:13

years when at the beginning there were the same sentiments,

00:27:17

now there are completely

00:27:19

different answers to this question

00:27:21

simply cannot be explained only by the

00:27:23

changed situation in something happened at the front

00:27:28

and inside Ukrainian society,

00:27:31

some steps were taken by the

00:27:33

Ukrainian leadership,

00:27:36

Ukrainian leaders of public opinion,

00:27:38

this question requires

00:27:42

an answer. I ask another question,

00:27:45

sixth, does the state that

00:27:49

calls

00:27:51

itself European and

00:27:55

democratic have such power

00:28:01

that extends to their will to

00:28:05

their bodies on their

00:28:08

lives This is a very important question If

00:28:11

you want in a more scientific form it

00:28:14

sounds like this: where are the limits of legitimate violence

00:28:19

in a democratic

00:28:21

system,

00:28:26

then

00:28:29

this is legitimate

00:28:34

violence, but here the question arises to

00:28:38

what extent does the state

00:28:41

own the bodies and souls of its

00:28:45

citizens when a citizen turns into a

00:28:48

subject and completely belongs to

00:28:52

the state for the 20th century This is a very

00:28:55

significant question Why

00:28:58

Yes because

00:29:00

the state is not eternal even the largest

00:29:04

the greatest because the state and the

00:29:08

state system and

00:29:09

state

00:29:11

institutions are created for people in the first

00:29:15

place If they become

00:29:18

self-sufficient and if the action of

00:29:21

the state leads to the fact that a person

00:29:24

completely subordinate to him

00:29:26

Perhaps this is

00:29:28

a state of the 10th century, but then when

00:29:31

the idea of legitimacy arose,

00:29:34

citizens did not fight, mercenary

00:29:38

troops fought, citizens did not participate in the war, and

00:29:41

in the 10th century they did not participate. It was only the

00:29:44

French Revolution that put citizens

00:29:47

under arms, but even in the 10th century

00:29:50

the situation continued under which

00:29:52

personnel troops fought, the

00:29:57

idea of total war arose already in the

00:30:02

10th century, the idea of total war is

00:30:05

the result of the 20th century, but I say it again:

00:30:09

the State

00:30:12

is coming and the situation that is

00:30:16

already happening, starting the third year of the war, poses

00:30:19

these questions, they are unpleasant, but they

00:30:21

need to be

00:30:22

answered by the individual of society

00:30:26

states setting priorities if

00:30:29

the state feels it has the right to

00:30:31

completely subjugate the lives of

00:30:35

citizens to the will then a lot of questions arise, but

00:30:38

if a significant part of citizens do not want to

00:30:42

defend this state and the state

00:30:45

must use violence more and more,

00:30:47

even more questions arise, once again

00:30:50

I say the 21st

00:30:52

century The seventh

00:30:55

question why is this also, as it were, from

00:30:58

metaphysics? I will turn again to private

00:31:01

issues, but they will seem to be the future of

00:31:04

Ukraine. Why are European farmers

00:31:07

against Ukrainian agrarians?

00:31:09

Today I had a meeting with patrons

00:31:12

on the Patreon channel and we also

00:31:15

partly discussed these issues. By the way, subscribe

00:31:18

to my patron channel because there are

00:31:20

always new publications that are not

00:31:23

published in the public domain You can

00:31:26

get more texts of information videos

00:31:28

that are not on my YouTube channel so

00:31:31

this is not just about

00:31:33

Polish farmers but French

00:31:37

farmers are on strike German farmers are dissatisfied

00:31:39

Italian farmers Well Polish

00:31:42

farmers why is this important because if

00:31:46

Ukraine in the future sees itself as part of the

00:31:48

European Union and expects

00:31:51

that it will be an agricultural system first and

00:31:54

foremost, then this situation

00:31:57

shows that Ukraine is not expected in Europe

00:32:02

as an agricultural

00:32:04

country, that the European Union already has

00:32:09

enough capacity and enough

00:32:13

resources for development of the agricultural sector

00:32:17

in those countries that I mentioned, and they have had

00:32:20

this system in place for a long time; they are

00:32:22

adapted to this system. Imagine

00:32:26

that

00:32:27

Let’s fantasize that Ukraine becomes

00:32:29

part of the European

00:32:31

Union. What is happening to the Ukrainian

00:32:33

agricultural sector. How will

00:32:36

farmers of other European countries behave when

00:32:39

Ukraine with such enormous resources,

00:32:45

lands, let’s say, yes, the

00:32:49

size of the products will be at the level of the European

00:32:53

scientific and research institutions, and then one question will arise,

00:32:56

besides the European one,

00:33:01

what markets can Ukraine have,

00:33:04

where will it sell its

00:33:06

products, this is also an important

00:33:10

question. The eighth

00:33:13

question regarding the article of measures and regulations

00:33:16

is does Europe have a real

00:33:19

opportunity to support Ukraine in

00:33:25

1000,

00:33:27

these 1000% then this is 120

00:33:31

armored vehicles

00:33:33

1000% how much is this measured in

00:33:36

shells in tanks in airplanes in

00:33:41

artillery ammunition what are 1000 about and

00:33:46

so far we see that in Europe there are such

00:33:49

real possibilities let’s say more

00:33:51

optimistically very

00:33:55

little The qci that I

00:34:00

quoted to you are still in a vacuum

00:34:03

and have not really been tightened up. Then we need to

00:34:06

break the entire European system, like

00:34:09

mobile phones, the war economy in the

00:34:11

European Union. Imagine what

00:34:13

it is And how long it can

00:34:16

last While now at

00:34:19

the front everything is decided sometimes in months and weeks and

00:34:24

we are being offered fire. The

00:34:27

next

00:34:29

question is: To what extent should

00:34:33

the ideology of the Ukrainian

00:34:36

Elites change? Isn’t it worth revising our

00:34:39

symbolic

00:34:42

maps? The events that are happening before

00:34:44

our eyes show that something is

00:34:48

wrong with the understanding of identity, something is

00:34:52

wrong with the way we build our

00:34:55

narratives. in the coming days

00:34:58

I will dwell on this in more detail, something is making us

00:35:02

weaker, although we think that we are

00:35:05

strengthening ourselves there, that’s where we are narrowing our

00:35:08

identity. Although, wanting to make such a monolith out of it,

00:35:11

suddenly this huge

00:35:14

Monolith splits into

00:35:17

pieces, maybe. It’s worth changing a little

00:35:19

mentally, it can

00:35:22

to strengthen us and from the point of view of both military and

00:35:26

human economic cultural

00:35:30

intellectual maybe we have put on

00:35:34

a brace that doesn’t allow us to breathe

00:35:36

which doesn’t allow us to reveal our full

00:35:39

potential haven’t we

00:35:43

screwed our identity too narrowly tightened these

00:35:47

screws maybe we still

00:35:50

have to breathe free chest and in connection

00:35:54

with this mental attitude, one

00:35:57

important question is question

00:36:00

tenth Why did

00:36:03

Ukraine not work out with the global

00:36:07

south

00:36:08

Why did Russia succeed in this Over the past

00:36:12

year and a half and Ukraine No, we also

00:36:15

spoke today on the Patreon channel in a

00:36:19

discussion on this topic and you know My

00:36:21

the answer is

00:36:22

what and my answer is very simple but because the

00:36:27

Ukrainian Elites and usually the person

00:36:30

who considers himself educated and

00:36:32

active in Ukraine have consciousness,

00:36:35

you will laugh just imperial

00:36:40

prejudices in the worst meaning of

00:36:43

this word because for me the word

00:36:45

Empire is not a negative word with a

00:36:47

negative meaning But this is the worst

00:36:49

manifestation of imperial Swa because we are

00:36:52

used to, since the Ukrainian Republic,

00:36:55

advising

00:36:57

ourselves with France Germany Britain

00:37:04

Italy we think that this is our world, that

00:37:07

these are our interlocutors at eye level and

00:37:10

some Vietnam or some Honduras

00:37:13

or some- then I don’t

00:37:15

know, I don’t know Lebanon, I’m not even talking about

00:37:19

China and India, these

00:37:25

Sukhe of the time, I don’t really want to negotiate with them,

00:37:28

but why do I say

00:37:30

that this is the Imperial syndrome, but because in the

00:37:33

Soviet system the whole world was divided into the

00:37:37

first world, the second world then there is the Western

00:37:39

world The Soviet world and the third world The third

00:37:41

world where each of the countries of the Third World

00:37:45

was determined by the degree of inclusion under

00:37:48

one or another patronage and still the

00:37:50

Ukrainian Elites post-Soviet thinking

00:37:55

why talk to some cha Nigeria

00:37:57

There and so on because the world is divided between

00:38:00

what - the main forces and it’s better to

00:38:02

talk to the main one better talk to the

00:38:04

main one the main one in Washington the main one in

00:38:06

London the main one in Paris Ani somewhere

00:38:11

in the spaces of South America Africa

00:38:15

or Asia But this thinking is outdated and

00:38:20

Russia, including Lavrov, Minister of

00:38:24

Foreign Affairs, we see this in visits

00:38:26

to

00:38:27

various broadcasts round tables

00:38:30

patiently hardworking such a workaholic

00:38:33

Travels Travels Travels and it began to bear

00:38:37

fruit and it turned out that Ukraine

00:38:41

is locked into the Western agenda and that

00:38:46

China and

00:38:48

India South Africa I’m not even talking about

00:38:51

Brazil Argentina doesn’t really share

00:38:54

our

00:38:55

concerns That is I would say that

00:38:57

these are the costs

00:38:59

of post-Soviet imperial thinking among the

00:39:03

Ukrainian Elites, and on the other hand, this is the

00:39:05

narrowness of the picture of the world according to which we cannot

00:39:11

imagine the events in Ukraine from any

00:39:14

other angle, we place ourselves in the

00:39:17

center and we do not imagine how we

00:39:19

looks in Indonesia in the Philippines in

00:39:22

New Zealand in I don’t know

00:39:25

in Nigeria the same yes Or in

00:39:30

Lebanon and so on or in

00:39:33

Venezuela we can’t imagine

00:39:36

because we are too self-centered

00:39:44

We are used to looking at them as

00:39:47

objects, again this is post-imperial

00:39:50

thinking And why? Because these points

00:39:52

of view are not represented in our

00:39:54

news feeds, there are basically no media in Ukraine.

00:39:57

There are Telegram channels, there are electronic

00:40:01

so-called media, so-called because there

00:40:03

is no special analytics there, there is

00:40:07

no wide palette of opinions. And

00:40:10

therefore this also affects the

00:40:14

president’s speeches Zelensky What is his main

00:40:17

message? The message is that if Ukraine is not

00:40:22

helped, then Putin will go further to Europe

00:40:26

and therefore the threat to the existence of Ukraine

00:40:30

is a threat to the

00:40:32

West. But this is a closure on the Western

00:40:35

agenda. How is it interesting for

00:40:39

Vietnam? For example, how

00:40:41

interesting is it for Laos? How

00:40:45

interesting is it for

00:40:46

Iran? What can the West collapse and now

00:40:51

help Ukraine Because if

00:40:53

Ukraine and the West don’t get enough

00:40:56

of it, then this is red and maybe China is

00:40:59

waiting for this to weaken Europe, for example,

00:41:02

in order to

00:41:03

gain even more influence there and

00:41:07

other other things. That is, even at the

00:41:10

level of the president’s speeches, we are in the interests of the

00:41:13

global south We don’t

00:41:16

take into account, due to our egocentricity,

00:41:19

due to our narrowness, due to our poms

00:41:24

syndrome, why should the global south

00:41:27

pay attention to our problems, we do

00:41:30

n’t even include this in the president’s speeches, we don’t include

00:41:34

this in the speech, we don’t include

00:41:36

this in the information agenda of the

00:41:40

president’s address only threat to the West threat to

00:41:42

Europe Putin will go further who is

00:41:45

interested in this except Europe Sorry to no one and

00:41:48

to us it’s hard to imagine that the

00:41:50

majority of the world is not affected, that’s what

00:41:55

our president is trying to say,

00:41:58

so the tenth question again

00:42:00

Why Ukraine didn’t work out with the global

00:42:02

south I only tried to briefly give some tips

00:42:06

on discussion of this issue

00:42:10

But this is a whole big topic, the eleventh

00:42:14

question is why the war only increased

00:42:18

corruption. How is it that, on the one hand,

00:42:22

society was united for the first months and

00:42:26

then it turned out that corruption is not

00:42:29

declining but is only intensifying, that they trade in

00:42:32

war, they trade in Blood, they

00:42:34

stop at nothing this is also

00:42:37

one of the weakening factors, this is also

00:42:40

one of the elements of the answer to the previous

00:42:42

questions, but we need to answer the question of what is

00:42:44

in us that even war

00:42:47

cannot put an end to the

00:42:55

law,

00:42:57

but even war failed to unite people,

00:43:00

some groups united, but you

00:43:03

understand that discussions in there is no society and the

00:43:06

illusion of a monolithic point of view is being created,

00:43:11

but a more or less real study

00:43:14

of the situation shows that everything is far from being

00:43:17

like that, here are my

00:43:21

12

00:43:25

in I would like to ask about the events of the

00:43:28

Maidan in

00:43:35

1914, all these

00:43:38

questions are caused by the fact that my position is a

00:43:43

pro Vronskaya

00:43:44

b pro Inskaya

00:43:50

ts I think about the

00:43:55

main

00:43:57

lines of human development in the coming

00:44:01

decades, respectively, this is about the

00:44:05

European pro-Yinskaya and pro-Xia

00:44:10

position By the way, I’ll digress for a second

00:44:13

Because some people write to me and criticize me,

00:44:16

as you know, both from the Ukrainian side and from the

00:44:19

Russian side, and there some

00:44:21

Russians write But

00:44:24

look say that we have a long time ago we

00:44:27

heard a long time ago from Dugin from Who is there

00:44:33

Geopolitics forgot the video on on with the surname

00:44:36

they call the names there Fu fursin also

00:44:39

this third one which I don’t

00:44:40

remember now, it’s not out of neglect that it just

00:44:43

fell out of my memory So that’s all

00:44:46

they say they said no, my dears, you don’t

00:44:50

see the nuances of what they say. These

00:44:53

people are completely different from my

00:44:58

ideas and principles from which I base

00:45:00

my position. My

00:45:03

teachers are Jacques Maritain Patrick Delab

00:45:07

Roman Guardini John Paul II I name

00:45:12

only the most recognizable names and Remy

00:45:15

marriage

00:45:16

A this is a Christian

00:45:22

conservative or liberal

00:45:24

conservative position, liberal

00:45:26

conservative with reference to the

00:45:29

Christian and my position about the

00:45:32

European, those people come from a different

00:45:35

position that is

00:45:37

opposite to me, learn to distinguish between the nuances

00:45:40

and if some both groups are against

00:45:45

collective farms, this does not mean that they are all

00:45:47

on the agenda of the party

00:45:50

the Bolsheviks, for example, that is, the

00:45:54

white party, and

00:45:56

if we see that at the sound level

00:46:00

some ideas intersect, this does not mean

00:46:02

that there is something in common between them; there are

00:46:05

much more differences between them than

00:46:07

commonality; all that I am saying are the ideas of

00:46:13

Christian Catholic Protestant

00:46:15

thinkers,

00:46:17

philosophers of the twentieth and early tenth centuries I

00:46:20

also count myself among them,

00:46:23

I express them

00:46:27

revolve around the future of Europe, which is

00:46:30

very important to me, the future of Christianity in

00:46:33

Europe, which is very important to me, the future of the

00:46:36

common

00:46:38

Greco-Roman heritage of philosophy,

00:46:41

Roman law, Enlightenment, universal

00:46:44

ideas. This is my position; it is from this

00:46:48

position that I ask those questions which

00:46:51

I just voiced on a full-scale

00:46:55

war, those of a full-scale war, now in

00:46:58

matters of the Maidan, it is necessary to

00:47:01

say this in the previous

00:47:03

Spiegel number eight for February 17, here a

00:47:08

large article came out, a study

00:47:14

even by Christian Ash Christian Ash, he was an

00:47:18

eyewitness to the events on the Maidan, he

00:47:21

also worked in Kiev He knows the pony well because

00:47:26

he was a correspondent and in

00:47:27

Moscow in February

00:47:31

1918 he was in Kiev;

00:47:34

moreover, as I understand it, he lived in the

00:47:36

Ukraine Hotel, the former

00:47:38

Moscow Hotel, and was an eyewitness to the execution of people

00:47:41

who were heading to the government

00:47:44

quarter on Institutskaya Street after

00:47:47

that he came a lot and often to Kiev and

00:47:50

other places, he visited Donetsk and communicated

00:47:54

with many participants

00:47:56

and therefore this material is 2 3 4 5 6

00:48:02

large pages, the material is very extensive,

00:48:05

which talks about the events on the

00:48:10

Maidan with an attempt at

00:48:14

objectivity, I will turn to his

00:48:18

thoughts before putting my

00:48:20

questions and to the events of

00:48:24

the reconstruction of February 1821 BBC from February 18,

00:48:31

2019 the name of a large BBC material is the

00:48:35

executions on the Maidan in Kiev on

00:48:37

February 1820, 2014 as it happened again I

00:48:41

emphasize once again that I choose the

00:48:42

liberal European Western press

00:48:45

in order to avoid any attacks

00:48:50

who will formulate

00:48:53

their questions in the context of what the

00:48:56

BBC describes. Well, I myself was in Kiev and

00:49:01

was partly an eyewitness and a person

00:49:05

who

00:49:07

was inside these events, one way or

00:49:10

another, those who were in Kiev at that

00:49:13

time, I lived then in Podol after the

00:49:16

Maidan I lived on Shevkovy, there events

00:49:18

took place on these streets, also in Kavy

00:49:21

Lipskaya,

00:49:22

Krepostny Lane, Mariinsky Park,

00:49:26

I didn’t live in these areas at the time, but

00:49:29

I lived in Podol. And this is quite a

00:49:32

close event. As you understand. So, first of all, I

00:49:35

want to present the overview that

00:49:38

gives BBC once again because I have

00:49:41

my own review, but I intentionally want it to

00:49:44

be as detached as possible from you and

00:49:47

me, I’m talking to Ukrainians. This is how, for

00:49:49

example, BBC journalists watch it.

00:49:52

So, on February 18, and in the morning, protesters

00:49:57

began an offensive from the Maidan to the

00:49:59

Verkhovna Rada, the organizers called it a

00:50:02

peaceful

00:50:03

offensive thousands of protesters marched

00:50:05

along Institutskaya And this is the street that

00:50:09

leads to the government quarter in Kiev,

00:50:11

then they were able to overcome the cordons of

00:50:13

law enforcement officers to go out onto

00:50:15

Grushevskogo Street and Grushevskaya Street - this is

00:50:17

as I say for those who

00:50:20

have never been to Kiev, Grushevskogo Street, the ascent to it

00:50:22

past the Mariinsky Park is straight to the

00:50:24

Verkhovna Rada

00:50:26

directly to the Verkhovna

00:50:28

Rada and here

00:50:31

clashes began to occur on the street mulkovichnaya

00:50:34

lipskaya fortress lane in the Mariinsky

00:50:36

Park during the clash that day

00:50:40

titushki in masks That is, in

00:50:42

civilian clothes, those people whom the representative hired

00:50:45

hired a representative of

00:50:47

the authorities who acted outside

00:50:54

Novo carcasses in masks from those shot down, they were able to

00:50:57

push back the Maidans, this is all

00:51:00

BBC terminology, the protesters threw

00:51:03

Molotov cocktails at the office of the Party of

00:51:06

Regions on Lipskaya, an office employee died in the fire,

00:51:08

that is, as a result of

00:51:10

such events, an

00:51:14

assault began, what the authorities called an

00:51:17

anti-terrorist

00:51:21

operation burned

00:51:24

Barricades fire in the

00:51:26

Maidan camp, that is, the square in Kiev and a

00:51:30

fire broke out in the House of

00:51:32

Trade Unions, here are a few questions. In

00:51:35

connection with these events, I

00:51:38

want to ask the first why did the protesters

00:51:41

go to the government quarter on the morning of February 18,

00:51:47

they called

00:51:50

it a peaceful

00:51:53

offensive, there are many

00:51:57

personnel with them, not only the authorities dealt with the

00:52:00

security forces, but also aunties this is a violation

00:52:03

of the law, but as a result, also those who

00:52:07

went on a peaceful march ended up with

00:52:11

Molotov cocktails, because here we all

00:52:14

remember this event, for example, thrown

00:52:16

bottles and a dead person in the office of the

00:52:18

party to the president in the center of the

00:52:20

city, this doesn’t look much like just a Peaceful

00:52:24

Peaceful March and the second important one a question

00:52:27

that we have read and discussed a lot so far,

00:52:31

but there is no clear answer to this question:

00:52:33

who set fire to the house of the Trade Unions?

00:52:37

And this is an important question because in the house of the

00:52:40

Trade Unions there was a

00:52:42

hospital for people who were on the Maidan, they

00:52:44

died there in the fire,

00:52:46

and now I won’t say that

00:52:50

maybe in the comments you will say, but in

00:52:53

my opinion,

00:52:56

several people died there, and maybe

00:52:57

several dozen

00:53:01

people, another important question that I

00:53:05

want to raise and it is also important because

00:53:08

I spoke with many eyewitnesses and with

00:53:11

people close to me, because

00:53:14

Maidan activists were not just on the Maidan or on

00:53:16

these streets of the center they traveled around the centers of the

00:53:19

regional regional centers of Ukraine.

00:53:21

Sorry for

00:53:23

the tautology and there their actions were

00:53:26

quite active now I say

00:53:28

this is a

00:53:30

euphemism, they usually

00:53:32

attacked

00:53:35

houses,

00:53:37

buildings, government buildings from Lutsk

00:53:41

through Cherkasy and these were quite

00:53:45

organized trips; in fact, here there is an

00:53:48

element that is not included in the general

00:53:52

description of the events of the Maidan, again I speak

00:53:55

as a person asking questions, let’s say

00:53:59

if we call the event as event X

00:54:02

then we must explain why

00:54:04

the events of two or three

00:54:06

arise why For example, it is necessary to

00:54:08

attack the Cherkassy former building of the Koma

00:54:11

city administration or the Lutsk

00:54:14

administration what what What is the goal after all this is in in

00:54:19

any country, remember the events

00:54:23

after Trump’s address and the storming of the

00:54:26

Capitol, people there were unarmed and

00:54:30

how any government would behave, ask

00:54:32

how any government would behave

00:54:33

Democratic in Paris in London in

00:54:36

Berlin in Rome in

00:54:40

Washington when such events

00:54:42

happen here you can

00:54:45

ask a lot questions, but we’ll move on to

00:54:48

nineteen, I’m

00:54:55

on the Maidan, there’s a

00:54:58

confrontation with these shots. I think I saw the

00:55:00

whole world because

00:55:03

Ukrainian television, many channels,

00:55:06

strangely enough, because many

00:55:09

online channels broadcast everything that was happening

00:55:11

on the Maidan, and both the people of Kiev and Ukraine, the whole

00:55:16

world was horrified by the fact that The rebels

00:55:21

who defend their ideas are engulfed in

00:55:24

Fire and smoke

00:55:25

and the ring is narrowing. The armed forces are more and when the ring

00:55:29

is narrowing, the security forces are crossing the armed forces. More and

00:55:31

more pressure is being put

00:55:34

on the Maidan activists, on the people who

00:55:37

are there, there were a lot of

00:55:39

civilians, there were intelligentsia, there were,

00:55:41

of course, other people about this we are talking about now.

00:55:43

let's talk Maidan - this diversity

00:55:46

cannot be described by any one

00:55:48

narrow story As much as we would not like to, but

00:55:52

returning to the BBC material, in the morning

00:55:55

the protesters arrived reinforcements from

00:55:58

the regions and they managed to regain positions along the

00:56:01

perimeter of the square, that is, the

00:56:05

ring tightened; those authorities wanted to completely

00:56:08

clear the Maidan but

00:56:12

people from the regions began to arrive again once again,

00:56:15

this is also quite strange for even Westerners, it is

00:56:23

clearly

00:56:26

obvious that Yanukovych is not the president

00:56:30

that Ukraine should have had

00:56:31

and that he certainly created

00:56:35

very

00:56:37

terrible corruption, of course this power

00:56:39

went beyond all standards of decency

00:56:43

and this power somehow

00:56:47

I cannot praise or describe positively at

00:56:49

the same time, if we talk about

00:56:52

economic indicators, here I am not

00:56:55

saying that the government has been the most

00:56:57

successful in the history of Ukraine,

00:57:01

if we also take into account

00:57:05

the prime minister’s term of

00:57:08

Kuchma’s presidency, but nevertheless, I want to draw

00:57:12

attention to what I want to draw attention

00:57:14

to

00:57:17

that again We are asking questions: why did

00:57:22

Yanukovych become the president of Ukraine?

00:57:26

This is Propaganda, one of the elements of

00:57:29

propaganda - this is the cutting off of history, as

00:57:31

you know, here it turns out that the

00:57:33

Maidanists or those activists who were

00:57:36

for the whole bright democratic

00:57:38

European project grew up, and Yanukovych and the

00:57:41

team were pro-Asia, pro-Russian and

00:57:44

pulled let's say we are in slavery, I take

00:57:46

these black-and-white arrangements of the issue that was

00:57:51

committed by the Ukrainian president

00:57:55

in defeat after the Orange Revolution.

00:57:57

The Party of Regions practically crumbled

00:58:01

and those who remained for Vera Yanukovych were a

00:58:04

minority. What happened during

00:58:08

Yushchenko's presidency that these people returned to power

00:58:13

and Yanukovych became president, the legitimate

00:58:16

president of Ukraine,

00:58:18

recognized by representatives of the West and

00:58:21

Western

00:58:23

observers,

00:58:26

that Yanukovych became

00:58:29

president, and the question is: What happened

00:58:32

after the events of February of which year?

00:58:59

Minister of Foreign Affairs under President

00:59:01

Yanukovych if we raise all these questions

00:59:05

Why Yanukovych a completely

00:59:08

broken party is scattered intimidated

00:59:18

Yanukovych official by the Ukrainian

00:59:23

president question on the Maidan We see

00:59:26

that things arise that require

00:59:29

discussion but we will move

00:59:33

on after the assault and it is clear that the fate

00:59:37

of the Maidan was in the

00:59:39

balance after storming, the opposition is going to

00:59:43

negotiate with Yanukovych and I quote the BBC

00:59:47

following the meeting. They, that is, representatives of

00:59:49

the opposition said that there will be no more storming of the Maidan

00:59:55

since the parties agreed on a

01:00:02

truce, this question arises. What

01:00:05

agreements did the position have with

01:00:08

Yanukovych? It is also very important to answer

01:00:12

this question and here on February 20 the decisive

01:00:15

day 20 then on February 21 again

01:00:19

BBC material on the night of February 20 the situation on the

01:00:22

Maidan would have collapsed and

01:00:25

clashes would resume on the side of

01:00:27

Institutskaya

01:00:29

Street the question is who started the clash on

01:00:32

which streets including Institutskaya

01:00:35

Street I quote further BBC later Berkut and

01:00:39

internal troops they began to retreat from

01:00:44

the Maidan, for me this is a question of this

01:00:47

withdrawal of troops, later the uprising

01:00:53

was interpreted by

01:00:55

the activists of the Maidan as representatives

01:00:57

of the revolutionaries. Let's call

01:01:00

the revolutionaries that luring them into the

01:01:02

government quarter, this is

01:01:04

an interpretation and not a fact, the only fact is

01:01:07

that the government

01:01:09

troops are internal troops. Sorry,

01:01:12

they are leaving. Do not forget that there were negotiations the day before

01:01:15

and perhaps based on the results

01:01:23

these require answers Or maybe

01:01:26

in 20 or 30 this is what the BBC writes next

01:01:29

it is in such protocol

01:01:31

sentences so as not to offend anyone

01:01:34

in fact remember how the muler described

01:01:38

how a detective should work he did he

01:01:40

went he gave and so on without anything without

01:01:44

any assessments, so

01:01:46

later Berkut and the internal troops

01:01:49

began to retreat from the Maidan, the protesters

01:01:51

took

01:01:53

this as an opportunity to move

01:01:56

further along Institutskaya Street. This is the

01:01:59

phrase from the BBC material, my question is why the

01:02:02

activists led people to Institutskaya Street again,

01:02:06

what did they want to achieve? These people moving along

01:02:11

Institutskaya Street as a result yesterday there were

01:02:15

negotiations, a promise was given

01:02:18

that there would be no more storming of the Maidan.

01:02:21

However, on the day of the incident the situation

01:02:25

worsened and further, as the

01:02:28

BBC material describes, once again the protesters

01:02:31

perceived this as an opportunity to

01:02:32

advance along Institutskaya Street, then

01:02:35

these are all quotes and then the activists began

01:02:39

to climb the street and were caught in

01:02:42

crossfire

01:02:45

shelling from the Maidan stage announced that

01:02:49

many activists had

01:02:51

gunshot wounds on Instytutska Euromaidan announcing

01:02:56

mobilization continues BBC material and

01:02:58

finally we come to the events of the evening of the 20th

01:03:02

and the morning of the

01:03:04

2nd of January on the same day on

01:03:09

February 20th a delegation from the European Union arrived in Kiev

01:03:12

all

01:03:15

day long all these events

01:03:19

take place all day and all next

01:03:21

night, the foreign ministers of Germany,

01:03:24

France, Poland communicated with

01:03:27

opposition leaders and

01:03:32

Yanukovych, that is, negotiations are ongoing

01:03:35

in parallel, we read between the lines that the

01:03:38

European Union was extremely concerned about the

01:03:42

events on the Maidan and

01:03:45

urgent emergency measures were taken and they are going there

01:03:48

delegates,

01:03:50

representatives, ministers of foreign affairs,

01:03:55

this is the Armed Forces, we know, I’ll revive it once so that you have a

01:03:58

line of reasoning, and negotiations go on all night,

01:04:02

all day, and then all night. That

01:04:04

is, the night from February 20 to 21, and on the

01:04:10

morning of February 21, information was published that

01:04:13

Yanukovych was ready to announce early elections

01:04:17

I quote the BBC on this day a significant number of

01:04:20

security forces and

01:04:23

special equipment once

01:04:25

again on this day a significant part of the

01:04:29

security forces and special equipment left the

01:04:32

government

01:04:34

Quarter at noon continue to quote

01:04:37

BC The President and opposition leaders in the

01:04:40

presence of the EU delegation signed at

01:04:44

noon an agreement on

01:04:47

resolving the crisis of the catastrophe

01:04:51

Return

01:04:53

end of

01:04:54

the year early presidential elections

01:04:57

the document was signed early

01:05:00

presidential elections and an investigation into the events on the

01:05:03

Maidan end of

01:05:07

quote

01:05:09

respectively European leaders together

01:05:12

with the opposition

01:05:14

and Yanukovych and his people sign an

01:05:18

agreement three clear directions It would seem that

01:05:22

the crisis has been resolved,

01:05:27

certainly most likely

01:05:31

99.99

01:05:35

percent Yanukovych would have lost the elections he

01:05:39

would have resigned from the post of President of Ukraine, there would have been a

01:05:42

new president we don’t know.

01:05:44

Then perhaps someone from the opposition,

01:05:47

perhaps

01:05:48

Klitschko, perhaps someone else, but we had to

01:05:54

wait a few

01:05:56

months, we can say that Yanukovych

01:05:59

could violate these

01:06:02

agreements, that the leaders of the Maidan

01:06:07

would suffer, there would be

01:06:09

repressions This is all if it were impossible

01:06:13

to exclude if we analyze the event in

01:06:16

full

01:06:17

picture. But on the other hand,

01:06:20

documents were signed with European

01:06:23

leaders, you will agree that it is no less

01:06:27

likely that Yanukovych could

01:06:29

adhere to these

01:06:31

agreements of signed documents and would

01:06:34

go to early elections with a

01:06:37

more or less clear outcome and this is what

01:06:40

is happening in the evening during the day, these documents were signed,

01:06:42

this is all BBC material, those who have

01:06:44

now started watching,

01:06:47

I emphasize again in the evening, the Maidan said goodbye to the

01:06:49

fallen heavenly

01:06:51

hundred, Vitaly’s speech was interrupted by

01:06:55

Vladimir

01:06:56

Parasyuk, he demanded the immediate

01:06:59

resignation of Yanukovych, otherwise he will lead people on the

01:07:03

offensive. I saw all this

01:07:05

at all. It’s strange that he was allowed on the

01:07:07

podium that he interrupted one of the

01:07:10

opposition leaders, but it’s not strange that a person who

01:07:12

can be considered an activist, I clearly remember what

01:07:17

he said with what intonation With what

01:07:20

facial expression But in this case, what do we see as

01:07:23

analysts? Let’s analyze more coldly and coldly

01:07:26

without emotions We see that

01:07:32

agreements have been reached, signed together with

01:07:34

European leaders,

01:07:37

and a map has been proposed for resolving the conflict

01:07:41

for the coming

01:07:44

months, Vladimir Parasyuk appears on stage

01:07:48

and

01:07:49

voices impossible demands. Well, that

01:07:53

is,

01:07:54

at lunch Yanukovych agreed to

01:07:56

early elections. He has already fully agreed

01:07:59

to all the demands, and then the young man

01:08:02

who came to a tribune that does not

01:08:04

represent any government, he

01:08:07

is not a representative of the opposition. He is a

01:08:09

representative of activists, say, the military

01:08:12

wing who says immediate

01:08:14

resignation. Otherwise, we

01:08:17

will attack him; he was supported by many who stood

01:08:22

here; it is

01:08:25

necessary to understand the emotions of those who were on the

01:08:28

Maidan; they stood in the face of fallen

01:08:31

comrades; any emotional speech is

01:08:35

like an explosion bombs but during the day

01:08:38

agreements were concluded What is the difference between the

01:08:40

European approach and, say, a non-

01:08:43

European approach? The European approach

01:08:47

Well, Europe fought in the Thirty Years'

01:08:49

Bloody War which took away the

01:08:52

World's people if we consider this

01:08:55

equivalent to the population of Europe in the 10th century.

01:08:59

But despite these bloodbaths of

01:09:03

Europeans in Munster, an agreement was signed

01:09:07

therefore, when we talk about

01:09:10

European Ukraine, we are talking about culture

01:09:13

and the readiness and

01:09:15

determination to

01:09:17

adhere to the agreements

01:09:19

to adhere to the letter of the agreement. And

01:09:22

when we talk about emotions that we

01:09:25

cannot tolerate and we will go and do what

01:09:27

we want, contrary to

01:09:29

the agreement, this is not European

01:09:33

logic and in this case when we are

01:09:37

talking about non-European logic. I think

01:09:41

that it is not surprising when

01:09:44

Euromaidan begins to be called a revolution

01:09:47

of dignity. Because if this is

01:09:49

Euromaidan, as it

01:09:51

began when they were beaten on

01:09:54

November 30 of

01:09:56

the year T. It was about the European agenda,

01:10:00

European leaders came here,

01:10:02

it was as if a system of agreement

01:10:05

had been created and Calling it Euromaidan is

01:10:08

a little more difficult because

01:10:10

European agreements have been violated here,

01:10:12

including since they

01:10:14

began, say, to entrust

01:10:19

agreements to mediators, so the question is: If

01:10:22

we rewind a little and remember once again

01:10:26

that on the nineteenth, agreements were also reached

01:10:28

that on the twentieth began to

01:10:32

go away like this feet of soil then before the

01:10:36

first agreement was reached again

01:10:38

and here I quote BBC The Right Sector stated

01:10:42

that it would not lay down its arms and was ready to take

01:10:45

responsibility for further

01:10:47

developments of events end quote

01:10:50

BBC Right Sector Nab

01:10:55

Bet assumed the responsibilities of

01:10:59

the institution but the Right Sector arose

01:11:02

suddenly As you know right on The Maidan

01:11:04

in these months, that is, organizations of people

01:11:07

who have not been heard of at all by

01:11:10

wide circles of not only the Ukrainian

01:11:14

world Ukrainian public, take

01:11:16

on the responsibility of the VM on

01:11:19

Senno for

01:11:22

development, which means that if we include the

01:11:25

further development of

01:11:27

events in the subsequent months, then this

01:11:30

responsibility is much more serious

01:11:32

than it seems to us.

01:11:34

in the evening Yanukovych flies to Kharkov And

01:11:38

from there he flies through Crimea to Russia Flight The

01:11:43

flight of the president for which many of his

01:11:46

supporters have not forgiven him This is

01:11:49

the logic of the events that we see here I,

01:11:51

concluding our conversation, will also turn to the

01:11:54

material of Christian

01:11:56

Ash, which is very important in the context of that what

01:11:59

I said again, pay attention to the BBC

01:12:04

Spiegel liberal media that are pro-

01:12:10

Ukrainian and who sympathize with the Maidan of

01:12:13

1914, I present their

01:12:17

testimony and ask questions, why am I

01:12:20

asking these questions in order to

01:12:22

have more weapons in the fight against

01:12:25

Putin’s

01:12:26

propaganda, since Putin uses

01:12:29

all these facts to strengthen its position

01:12:34

and an interview with Tucker Carlson

01:12:37

showed this in a different way Until we

01:12:42

Ukrainians ourselves answer these questions

01:12:44

Together with our European partners

01:12:46

because the question is: Why suddenly the leaders of

01:12:49

these European countries, the Minister of

01:12:51

Foreign Affairs suddenly fell silent, this is what

01:12:54

Putin’s Propaganda is based on,

01:12:56

how Scholz swallowed the Nord

01:12:59

Stream explosion and the ambassadors of such

01:13:03

countries did not say anything against it

01:13:06

after the Right Sector takes full

01:13:09

responsibility for the further development of

01:13:11

events and actually heads to the

01:13:14

center from where the security forces left and seizes the

01:13:16

government building and a

01:13:19

certain power vacuum arises, which the

01:13:21

note then managed to overcome g

01:13:24

logic is very important to understand, therefore, once

01:13:28

again, these are

01:13:30

questions the answer to which is so important

01:13:34

that the fate of the future years of

01:13:38

development of Ukraine as a political

01:13:40

system as a value system of a

01:13:44

strategic system that has

01:13:46

strategic development goals does not yet have

01:13:50

answers to these

01:13:52

questions. Putin’s Propaganda has an

01:13:54

advantage because we they themselves

01:13:56

have not answered the questions that he,

01:13:59

of course, inflates, of course, strengthens. But

01:14:02

these questions exist. And if we don’t have

01:14:05

answers, it means that once again, if we

01:14:08

don’t have clear answers to these questions.

01:14:11

Therefore, those people who hesitate

01:14:13

in Europe in the world, especially the countries of the

01:14:14

global south, are inclined to side of

01:14:17

Putin, since we ourselves are unable to answer,

01:14:22

it means that we are not ready to give answers or

01:14:26

we do not have answers to these questions, so

01:14:29

returning now to the publications of Christian

01:14:31

Esche They are very interesting, these observations,

01:14:35

for example,

01:14:36

here he points out that this is also part of

01:14:39

our troubles when it became When

01:14:42

the Maidan arises For example, here page 72 of

01:14:45

Spiegel he says that when

01:14:50

Rakha was captured there is a Kiev e there the

01:14:56

first night was spent by Maidan supporters

01:14:59

and supporters I quote the text of the Ultra Right

01:15:03

Party Freedom of men from the province of

01:15:07

Western Well that West Ukraine pron so

01:15:11

that no longer translate but just text from the

01:15:16

calloused clothes of Afar

01:15:21

Kline, this was by no means Facebook

01:15:26

The uprising of educated big cities, I’ll

01:15:30

emphasize once again that here I don’t want to

01:15:32

correct there were a lot of

01:15:33

intellectuals on the Maidan, a lot of

01:15:34

representatives of academic science, but

01:15:37

they came, spent time there, could

01:15:39

spend the night and went home, and here in

01:15:42

this case, a German journalist

01:15:44

spent more time there and says

01:15:46

that it was not like this Facebook

01:15:49

revol von Gethen Gros Stetter

01:15:54

representatives of big cities residents of

01:15:56

big cities And it was much more

01:15:59

diverse

01:16:02

Wild I won’t even translate Evar

01:16:06

Tiga Wilda Sell

01:16:09

stood up and the speeches that were pronounced in the

01:16:13

square rather approached the

01:16:16

flame and the smoke of the Maidan I

01:16:22

translate full of national

01:16:26

pathos as a

01:16:28

political opponent who refused to

01:16:32

even be not only Ukrainians

01:16:36

but also

01:16:37

people that, as a German

01:16:41

journalist writes, I felt uneasy at the same time,

01:17:01

you can translate how I felt

01:17:03

sick from this or I felt uneasy,

01:17:06

that is a person already sees then, he

01:17:09

remembers the orange Maidan. That’s

01:17:11

when it begins, when there is no other

01:17:14

opinion,

01:17:16

when opponents And then the Maidan was

01:17:19

just beginning, there weren’t any

01:17:21

executions, and so on. Further, public

01:17:24

opinion was built according to the correct type and

01:17:27

None. Those who do not accept the Maidan in the

01:17:31

version in which he describes himself is

01:17:35

not even a person and the German speaks

01:17:38

uneasy because of this. And he often talks about

01:17:41

this nationalistic pathos. There are also

01:17:43

contradictions on the one hand, Euromaidan, an

01:17:45

idea of which I warmly support once again

01:17:48

because I am Eurocentrism of

01:17:53

the European future of Ukraine, but this

01:17:57

not a

01:17:58

profile of European Ukraine, this is some

01:18:01

other profile and the German journalist

01:18:03

notes this. He also notes the people with

01:18:05

whom he communicated, he communicated with

01:18:07

Chubarov with one of the deputies of the Posk, this is a

01:18:12

deputy of Western Ukraine, he writes that he

01:18:14

rented several dozen rooms in a hotel

01:18:16

for his supporters who

01:18:19

we came from Western Ukraine and lived in these

01:18:21

rooms. Some lived in tents, lived on the street,

01:18:23

and some rented hotels, and he describes it all

01:18:28

like this.

01:18:31

Ash, he

01:18:33

says that if Putin’s

01:18:37

aggression on February 24, 2019 is

01:18:40

black and white for me, Putin is also for me

01:18:43

clearly the aggressor, there is no dispute here and

01:18:46

here the blame lies entirely with NM as

01:18:49

the person making the decision, then the Maidan

01:18:52

is written by a mute journalist, painted for me in

01:18:54

gray

01:18:56

tones and here when

01:19:00

statements are printed, testimonies of those who were

01:19:02

on the Maidan I want to point out how

01:19:04

here as a philosopher and as a person who

01:19:06

understands something in the philosophy of consciousness and a

01:19:09

little bit in

01:19:15

cognitive science

01:19:17

and

01:19:21

vividly different groups of people, the intelligentsia,

01:19:25

pro-European-minded youth, but also

01:19:29

people

01:19:30

who had their own goals and who clearly

01:19:34

ensured that the conflict did not subside

01:19:36

and with these people I also spoke and

01:19:40

I know them personally and they told me things that

01:19:42

I don’t want to say on air

01:19:45

and can’t, they said that Yes there

01:19:48

were decisions and there were armed people at a

01:19:53

later stage, of course there were

01:19:56

unarmed civilians who

01:19:58

died for the European ideals that

01:20:01

they represented who were shot on

01:20:03

Instytutskaya And this is all the Maidan of what year

01:20:07

this is all the Maidan of 14 and ordinary people

01:20:10

who came and for them it was a

01:20:12

carnival at the

01:20:14

beginning where the speeches on the square remember the

01:20:18

Orange Maidan I also have

01:20:23

n’t even since 14 And since 2004 even yet Previously,

01:20:27

they give rise to

01:20:29

questions to which we either

01:20:32

answer in order

01:20:34

to clearly see the contours of our

01:20:38

future, clearly respond to the Kremlin

01:20:40

Propaganda and

01:20:42

follow the path of European development of our

01:20:45

country, or we again offer a

01:20:49

one-sided

01:20:51

view, pure mythology, a unified simplified

01:20:55

identity, and we will gradually melt

01:20:59

and lose strength thinking that

01:21:04

anyone is to blame, but of course I

01:21:07

said the main fault lies with Putin, but

01:21:10

we will blame everyone, we will blame the

01:21:12

United States, we will blame the

01:21:16

European Union, we will

01:21:19

blame our closest partners

01:21:23

because our consciousness is configured

01:21:25

not to see ourselves. We do not fall into the

01:21:28

zone of introspection. self-reflection We are afraid

01:21:33

to ask ourselves honest questions to

01:21:35

answer them. It seems to me that the time has not only not

01:21:38

just come, it has come a long time ago, to

01:21:43

firstly remember that in the first month of

01:21:47

the war, Ukraine managed to confront the

01:21:51

most dangerous threat in the Armed Forces during the

01:21:55

existence of the country,

01:21:58

but that the situation was dynamically changing.

01:22:02

you need to analyze the dynamics two and

01:22:05

that the questions arise that I

01:22:08

suggested for you to think about

01:22:11

three for now I want to finish with this,

01:22:14

please comment only I will

01:22:17

wait and

01:22:21

e

01:22:24

and yes constructive criticism

01:22:28

statements from eyewitnesses of the analyst

01:22:31

Arguments are welcome and

01:22:34

provided for public study

01:22:37

so please more analysis less

01:22:42

emotions

01:22:44

like

01:22:46

dislike share support the channel

01:22:50

my task as a philosopher is to

01:22:53

ask questions and try to find

01:22:55

answers to them and offer my reasoning to

01:22:58

you all the best

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События на Майдане 18-21 февраля 2014 года. Начало российско-украинской войны весной 2014 года. Полномасштабное вторжение РФ в Украину 24 февраля 2022 года. Мир меняется на наших глазах. Пересечен барьер "два года". Начался третий год полномасштабной войны. И в Украине, и в Европе, и в мире все больше озабоченности и тревоги за общее будущее. Ситуация требует новых подходов и новых решений. Но для этого нужно попытаться осмыслить логику развития событий 2014-2024. А чтобы понимание было более глубоким и практически-действенным, нужно задавать сложные вопросы. В этой беседе я формулирую несколько вопросов, на которые у меня пока нет ответов. Но я пытаюсь их найти. Итак мои 12 вопросов: - Все ли сделал Запад и Украина для предотвращения полномасштабной войны? То, что главная вина лежит на Путине и его ближайшем окружении, у меня не вызывает сомнений. Но все ли сделал Запад? И все ли сделало украинское политическое руководство для предотвращения войны? - Почему РФ продвинулась так далеко вглубь Украины в первые недели войны? - Кто сорвал мирные соглашения в начале апреля 2022 года? Пока нет ответа, путинская пропаганда имеет козыри в руках. - Кто взорвал Северный Поток? Пока нет ответа, путинская пропаганда влияет на умы сторонних наблюдателей. - Где предел легитимному насилию государства по отношению к своим гражданам? Чем "гражданин" отличается от "подданного"? - Почему европейские фермеры так агрессивно настроены по отношению к украинским аграриям? Как решить этот конфликт, если Украина станет членом ЕС? - Есть ли у Европы реальные возможности и ресурсы для длительной поддержки Украины? - Насколько радикально должна поменяться идеология и главный нарратив украинских политических и культурных элит? Не время ли пересмотреть наши символические карты? - Почему у Украины не сложилось с Глобальным Югом? - Почему война не приостановила, а, напротив, усилила коррупцию в Украине? - Почему украинское общество даже в состоянии войны внутренне расколото и конфликтно? Предлагаю подумать над этими вопросами... Стать патроном моего Patreon-канала: https://www.patreon.com/andriibaumeister Поддержать канал: 5355 2800 0528 7451 UAH 4149 4991 3111 9297 UAH Сказать спасибо☕️ за контент: https://buymeacoffee.com/andriibaumeister

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