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[Music]00:00:12
light00:00:13
out00:00:15
everybody00:00:16
what's up everybody welcome back to00:00:18
another episode of the lights out00:00:20
podcast i'm your host josh as always i'm00:00:23
joined in the studio by my producer joel00:00:26
and today we are covering another00:00:29
real-life monster00:00:31
none other than dennis raider00:00:34
also known as the btk killer00:00:37
before we jump into the episode though i00:00:39
wanted to ask joel how your halloween00:00:41
was00:00:42
my halloween was great me and my00:00:44
girlfriend just ended up staying home00:00:46
and watching some scary movies and on the00:00:48
walls did you watch so we saw the00:00:50
strangers then we saw um hereditary00:00:53
uh mid-summer00:00:55
i mean we had a whole montage i was00:00:57
gonna say you watched a whole bunch of00:00:59
yeah00:01:00
it was but it was a ton of fun which was00:01:01
the best one or the one you found the00:01:03
most i thought scary i definitely would00:01:05
say hereditary um i heard a bunch of00:01:07
crazy things about that movie and when i00:01:09
saw it yeah i was just super scary was00:01:11
it like jump scares throughout it or was00:01:14
it just like the overall theme was just00:01:16
the overall theme and just how wacky it00:01:18
could be at times and then how it00:01:20
incorporated like this ritualistic00:01:23
demonic possession00:01:25
like having to do it hereditary because00:01:26
of the family right yeah exactly00:01:29
because they ended up having to like00:01:31
transfer a demon's spirit wow into00:01:35
you know a person oh my god that sounds00:01:38
crazy no i watched the trailer for that00:01:40
and i was like damn this looks like00:01:42
really a really good one unfortunately00:01:45
yeah won't watch any scary movies with me so00:01:47
if i want to watch a scary movie it's by00:01:50
myself00:01:51
generally after she goes to sleep so it00:01:53
which just ups the scariness to the next00:01:55
level because i'm laying in bed it's00:01:57
pitch dark in the room and i'm like00:01:59
watching it00:02:01
so no i i didn't really do too much we i00:02:03
went over to friends house and they live00:02:05
in a neighborhood where kids supposedly00:02:08
trick-or-treat00:02:09
and so we you know we got candy and00:02:12
stuff and literally there was like00:02:14
three groups of kids00:02:16
all night on halloween wow so i don't00:02:18
know if it was because the pandemic00:02:20
people are still not out00:02:21
trick-or-treating or because it was00:02:23
sunday night this year and so kids were00:02:25
just you know did it on saturday i guess00:02:28
i don't know so it was kind of it was kind of lame00:02:30
but i guess more candy for you guys00:02:32
right hey more candy for us and you know00:02:35
hopefully one day when i have children00:02:36
you know i can bring back that halloween00:02:38
spirit straw yeah you know enjoy all the00:02:40
festivities and00:02:42
decorate my house and and then you'll00:02:44
scare people absolutely and then you'll00:02:46
have a bunch of scary movies to00:02:48
recommend as well yeah yeah there you go00:02:52
well now that halloween is past us we are00:02:55
entering the final few months of 2021.00:02:58
it's been a amazing year here at lights00:03:01
out we've had a lot of growth00:03:03
a lot of really cool things happening we00:03:06
are literally weeks away00:03:08
from debuting the new studio00:03:11
yeah finally good god nothing is easy um00:03:15
in podcasting and just in the media biz00:03:17
in general i mean00:03:18
everything is a lot harder there's so00:03:20
many moving parts of things there's so00:03:21
much equipment that has to be ordered00:03:23
and configured and set up which is what00:03:25
joel's been working on00:03:26
uh for all of our shows here at malahar00:03:28
media there's so much going on so we're00:03:30
getting very close to being able to00:03:32
debut the new studio which i'm very00:03:33
excited about because again it's a00:03:34
totally different vibe totally different00:03:37
look to it we're retiring this sign00:03:39
unfortunately00:03:40
uh it's gonna just be00:03:42
there on the wall00:03:44
off and for those who are wondering i00:03:46
mean people are saying just get a dimmer00:03:48
for it but unfortunately this is real00:03:50
neon this is neon glass neon and00:03:52
unfortunately you can't dim real neon00:03:54
signs so the new sign is led luckily so00:03:58
it is able to be dimmed it's also not00:04:00
literally taking up the entire wall here00:04:04
actually measured this time for the new00:04:06
sign so lots of exciting things00:04:08
happening here at lights out also thank00:04:09
you to everybody who purchased merch the00:04:11
halloween drop went amazingly i think00:04:13
we're almost sold out of nearly00:04:15
everything so if you haven't checked out00:04:17
milehartmerch.com and the new collection00:04:19
go check it out because there's only a00:04:21
few items left in a few sizes and i'm00:04:24
not sure if we're going to be restocking00:04:26
anything so if you haven't checked it00:04:27
out yet again that's malharmurge.com00:04:30
but with that being said this episode is00:04:32
brought to you by simply save hellofresh00:04:34
in00:04:35
stamps.com we've got a lot to cover00:04:37
today dennis raider is one of those00:04:40
serial killers that i think is one of00:04:42
the most terrifying because he is00:04:44
somebody who flew under the radar for so00:04:46
long00:04:47
and00:04:48
the the monsters that hide in plain00:04:50
sight to me are some of the most scary00:04:52
individuals00:04:54
to walk the planet because it could be00:04:56
somebody who seems totally normal could00:04:59
be somebody in a position or a role00:05:01
within your community that you would00:05:03
never suspect00:05:04
of being an absolute monster00:05:07
and that is who dennis rader is00:05:10
so let's go ahead and dive into00:05:12
the very beginning00:05:14
of the life of dennis raider00:05:17
dennis lynn raider was born on march 900:05:20
194500:05:22
he was one of four brothers that grew up00:05:23
in wichita kansas his parents were both00:05:25
workaholics and hardly had any time to00:05:28
spend with their children00:05:29
dennis grew up always feeling alone even00:05:32
with the company of his brothers jeff00:05:34
paul and bill00:05:35
and he carried this loneliness with him00:05:37
through school00:05:38
where he never made many close friends00:05:41
he attended pleasant valley middle00:05:42
school and when he hit puberty00:05:45
strange sexual habits began to take hold00:05:48
of him00:05:49
he noticed that his fetish for bindings00:05:51
and women's underwear weren't in line00:05:52
with the same sexual fantasies00:05:55
that everyone else had00:05:57
but he kept these things a deep secret00:06:00
and this was only the beginning of how00:06:02
he separated his public life00:06:04
and his secret life of dark obsessions00:06:07
one of his first experiences was sexual00:06:09
deviancy began in middle school00:06:12
one day one of his teachers humiliated00:06:14
him in front of the class00:06:16
and so after school he snuck over to his00:06:17
teacher's house00:06:19
and actually watched her through one of00:06:21
her bedroom windows00:06:22
as he watched her in secret00:06:25
he tied a rope around himself00:06:27
then tightened the knot00:06:29
and orgasmed00:06:31
dennis later claimed that this was a00:06:32
pivotal moment in his journey of00:06:34
becoming a monster00:06:36
and he carried this burden with him00:06:38
into high school00:06:40
when he became a teenager he was known00:06:41
as a shy studious young man who kept00:06:43
mostly to himself00:06:45
and to those that knew him at a young00:06:46
age they described dennis as someone who00:06:49
listened very carefully when spoken to00:06:51
and gave his full attention00:06:53
before he would respond he would think00:06:55
for a long moment before he spoke00:06:57
his schoolmates always claimed that he00:06:58
had absolutely no sense of humor00:07:01
anything he talked about was practical00:07:04
and direct00:07:05
dennis attended wichita heights high00:07:07
school where his loneliness grew worse00:07:09
and his sexual thoughts only escalated00:07:12
he would watch women through windows00:07:14
and bind himself with ropes00:07:17
and that was just the beginning00:07:19
he developed a fascination with morbid00:07:21
curiosity and extreme violence00:07:23
he would often sit in the back of the00:07:25
class and fantasize about tying up and00:07:27
raping young women00:07:29
one of his favorite targets for his00:07:30
sexual fantasies was annette funicello00:07:34
one of the most famous mousketeers in00:07:35
the mickey mouse club at the time00:07:38
these thoughts that he had clouded his00:07:39
everyday life00:07:41
and they made his loneliness even worse00:07:44
while his classmates concerned00:07:45
themselves with who they were asking to00:07:47
the homecoming dance00:07:48
dennis was plagued by thoughts of00:07:50
bondage and murder00:07:52
his relationship with women became00:07:54
entangled in violent urges00:07:56
and with no outlet for these urges he00:07:58
began capturing dogs and cats off of the00:08:00
street00:08:01
he would take them to hidden locations00:08:03
around town00:08:04
and hang them00:08:06
it was the only way he could release his00:08:07
urges for now00:08:10
through his teen years he kept his inner00:08:11
demons a secret00:08:13
he came across to the rest of the world00:08:14
as a polite young man who kept to00:08:16
himself00:08:17
and he successfully maintained this00:08:19
image00:08:20
throughout high school00:08:22
after graduating in 196300:08:24
dennis went on to attend two semesters00:08:26
of college in 196500:08:28
and although he was always seen as a00:08:30
studious kid00:08:31
he became a below average student while00:08:33
in college00:08:35
he quickly realized that college was00:08:37
just not for him00:08:38
so he dropped out he then joined the air00:08:40
force in 1966 when he was just 21 years00:08:43
old00:08:44
and spent his time there working as a00:08:46
mechanic00:08:48
all the while he kept his fantasies00:08:49
hidden from everyone he knew00:08:51
he spent four years on active duty in00:08:53
the air force00:08:55
and during the course of his service he00:08:57
received the air force good conduct00:08:59
medal the small arms expert marksmanship00:09:02
ribbon00:09:03
and the national defense service medal00:09:05
despite the medals he received his time00:09:08
spent in the air force was easy going00:09:10
and he never saw combat00:09:12
he carried out easy tasks like00:09:13
installing antennas and other radio00:09:15
equipment00:09:16
a former associate from the air force00:09:18
described dennis as just one of the guys00:09:20
he just blended in and didn't really say00:09:23
much00:09:24
during his service he kept to himself00:09:25
while stationed around the globe00:09:28
he visited alabama japan korea00:09:31
greece and turkey through the years00:09:34
and after four years of service he00:09:35
finished his work with air force in 197000:09:38
and not knowing what to do he returned00:09:40
to wichita and spent two more years00:09:44
in the air force reserves00:09:46
while back in wichita dennis also00:09:47
attended church on the weekends he was a00:09:50
dedicated religious man and he never00:09:52
missed sunday mass00:09:54
it was here that he met his future wife00:09:55
paula dietz00:09:57
in 1970.00:09:58
paula and dennis had attended the same00:10:00
high school together but didn't know00:10:01
each other well since they were three00:10:03
years apart it wasn't until the00:10:05
reconnection in their twenties before00:10:07
the romance began to bud00:10:09
paula was from park city kansas a suburb00:10:12
outside of wichita and was only three00:10:14
years younger than dennis00:10:16
when they met she worked as a bookkeeper00:10:18
and dennis had just started his work in00:10:20
the meat department at the local iga00:10:22
superstore while also studying00:10:24
electronics at butler county community00:10:26
college00:10:27
their romance burned bright and things00:10:29
moved fast in their relationship00:10:32
paula quickly fell in love and after00:10:34
only dating for a year they married on00:10:35
may 22nd 1971.00:10:38
dennis rader appeared as a friendly man00:10:41
to his family his friends co-workers and00:10:43
neighbors00:10:44
he perfected his persona over the years00:10:47
and convinced everyone00:10:49
especially his new wife paula00:10:52
that he was an upstanding citizen00:10:54
and a loving family man00:10:56
but beneath the mask00:10:58
dennis rader buried the sick and twisted00:11:00
man that he really was00:11:03
paula had no clue about the inner demons00:11:05
that drove her husband's wild sexual00:11:07
fantasies00:11:08
for paula00:11:10
dennis was a simple hard-working man who00:11:12
held down several jobs while working00:11:13
towards a degree to support his family00:11:17
after he married paula dennis quit his00:11:18
job at the iga00:11:20
and began work assembling camping gear00:11:22
for the coleman company00:11:24
and later he became a home security00:11:26
installation technician for adt security00:11:28
in 197400:11:30
this was the job that brought him one00:11:32
step closer to his sexual fantasies00:11:35
it was a job that allowed him the thrill00:11:37
of entering other people's homes00:11:40
and soon his plans began to take shape00:11:42
in his mind00:11:43
and his fantasies were about to become00:11:45
reality00:11:46
ironically the people interested in00:11:49
installing home security systems were00:11:50
allowing the scariest person00:11:52
in all of wichita00:11:54
into their home00:11:56
in the 1970s wichita kansas was a00:11:58
friendly peaceful city in the heartland00:12:00
of america00:12:01
life was simple for the half a million00:12:03
people who lived in the metro area00:12:06
except for the occasional tornado there00:12:07
wasn't much to fear00:12:09
but for the otero family that would all00:12:12
change00:12:13
one day on january 15 197400:12:16
joseph and julio tarot were two puerto00:12:18
rican immigrants who had moved to00:12:20
wichita kansas in hopes of raising a00:12:22
family00:12:23
joseph grew up in the spanish harlem in00:12:25
new york city where he later became a00:12:27
champion boxer00:12:29
he met julie in the same neighborhood00:12:30
after she came to america in a banana00:12:33
boat00:12:34
they fell in love and married00:12:36
and had their first son charlie00:12:38
their goal was to live out the american00:12:40
dream00:12:41
so joseph joined the air force to00:12:42
support his new family00:12:44
and after his service he wanted to move00:12:46
to wichita the air capital of the u.s00:12:50
he figured he could easily find work00:12:51
there from his experience00:12:53
and he later became a mechanic and a00:12:55
flight instructor00:12:57
they settled into a simple home where00:12:58
joseph and julie raised five children00:13:01
and all was going well in their american00:13:03
dream00:13:04
until dennis raider turned it into a00:13:06
nightmare00:13:08
on january 15 197400:13:11
three children from the otera family00:13:13
charlie who's 15 years old danny who is00:13:16
also 15.00:13:17
carmen who is 13 years old went to00:13:19
school that day00:13:21
but their mother and father joseph and00:13:22
julie stayed home with their two00:13:24
youngest children00:13:25
joey who was nine00:13:27
and josephine who was 11.00:13:29
they lived in a corner house on a busy00:13:31
street near edgemoor park00:13:33
and it was a day like any other00:13:36
until charlie otero returned home00:13:39
upon arriving at the house he found the00:13:41
family dog lucky in the backyard without00:13:43
a leash00:13:44
and he immediately sensed that something00:13:46
was wrong00:13:47
he knew his parents had stayed home with00:13:49
his youngest siblings but the place was00:13:51
eerily quiet when he approached00:13:53
from the backyard00:13:55
he walked in through the back door and00:13:56
into the kitchen where he saw his00:13:58
mother's purse turned upside down on the00:14:00
stove00:14:01
all of its contents were spilled across00:14:03
the kitchen00:14:04
he called out00:14:06
and his younger sister carmen responded00:14:09
charlie come quick00:14:10
mom and dad are playing a bad trick on00:14:12
us00:14:14
when he walked through the door to his00:14:15
parents bedroom he found them both tied00:14:16
up00:14:17
their mother julie laid motionless on00:14:19
the bed staring at the ceiling00:14:22
her face was purple00:14:24
and charlie barely recognized her00:14:26
their father was on the floor with a00:14:28
belt around his neck the kids ran to00:14:30
call 9-1-100:14:32
but when they picked up the receiver the00:14:33
phone line was dead00:14:35
so they rushed over to their neighbor's00:14:37
house to contact police dispatch00:14:39
and when police arrived at the scene00:14:40
they searched the otero family's home00:14:43
julie and joseph the mother and father00:14:45
were pronounced dead in the bedroom00:14:47
bruises coiled around julie's neck00:14:49
and her eyes stared lifelessly into00:14:51
space00:14:52
a line of blood ran from her nose across00:14:54
her cheek00:14:56
the bruises on her neck matched the00:14:57
markings of another person's hands00:14:59
so police figured she had been strangled00:15:01
to death00:15:02
joseph the father lay face down on the00:15:04
floor beside the bed00:15:06
his feet were tied and a bag had been00:15:07
put over his head00:15:09
when they pulled the bag off his face00:15:11
was bloated puffy and blue00:15:13
and police believed he had died from00:15:15
suffocation as well00:15:17
after searching the home police found00:15:18
two more bodies00:15:20
to this day charlie otero thanks god for00:15:22
not being the one that found the bodies00:15:24
of his younger brother and sister00:15:26
joey age nine was found in his bedroom00:15:29
he was lying face down00:15:31
and just like his father's feet were00:15:32
tied and a bag had been put over his00:15:34
head00:15:35
he had also died from suffocation00:15:38
but the worst was what they found00:15:39
beneath the house00:15:41
the police headed down the stairs to the00:15:42
musty basement00:15:44
and as he turned the corner towards the00:15:45
laundry room00:15:46
they found josephine otero00:15:49
only 11 years old00:15:51
she had a rope around her neck and she00:15:53
was hanging from the basement sewer pipe00:15:56
her feet dangled only a few inches from00:15:57
the cement floor00:16:00
she had no pants on00:16:01
and her underwear had been pulled down00:16:03
to her ankles00:16:04
investigators quickly suspected the00:16:06
crime had been sexual but autopsies00:16:08
revealed there is no evidence of any00:16:10
sexual assault00:16:12
despite this investigators knew that the00:16:13
murders had to be sexual in nature00:16:16
and that this was clearly the work00:16:18
of a sadist who got a thrill from00:16:20
torturing people the fact that he had00:16:23
killed them in broad daylight proved two00:16:24
things00:16:26
one00:16:27
he was confident not being caught00:16:29
and two00:16:31
his plans must have been calculated00:16:33
he must have stalked the family for some00:16:35
time and memorized their schedules00:16:38
police also found the telephone wires00:16:40
had been cut from the outside00:16:42
and they didn't find any evidence of00:16:43
forced entry00:16:45
so the killer easily made his way inside00:16:47
with no fear of the victims calling the00:16:49
police00:16:50
and not a peep was ever heard by the00:16:52
neighbors00:16:54
wichita police realized they had a cold00:16:56
calculated killer on their hands00:16:58
and soon local news reported the story00:17:01
and all of wichita heard about the otero00:17:03
family murders00:17:05
four family members killed in broad00:17:07
daylight didn't sit well for the people00:17:08
of wichita00:17:10
they had never seen anything like this00:17:11
in their city before00:17:14
many began hiring home security00:17:15
technicians to install security systems00:17:17
in their homes00:17:19
and dennis rader was ready for more00:17:21
customers00:17:23
after his first slew of murders00:17:25
dennis rader gained confidence by the00:17:27
day00:17:28
police had no clue who could have00:17:29
committed the otero family murders which00:17:32
stroked his ego more than anything00:17:35
and after taking a cool down period of00:17:37
three months00:17:38
dennis was ready to kill again00:17:41
the otero murders became a distant00:17:42
memory00:17:43
and dennis needed his next fix00:17:46
he set his sights on a young 21 year old00:17:48
college student named katherine bright00:17:51
catherine was a recent high school00:17:52
graduate who found a job at coleman the00:17:54
same place dennis had worked for a few00:17:56
years00:17:57
she was an attractive young woman who00:18:00
loved to sing at her local church on00:18:01
sundays00:18:02
and she had just started her college00:18:04
education00:18:05
and while dennis was out driving one day00:18:07
scoping for new victims he spotted00:18:08
catherine as she was going into her00:18:10
house00:18:11
she lived only two miles away from the00:18:12
otero's house00:18:14
the moment he saw catherine00:18:16
dennis knew he wanted to kill her00:18:18
he called these victims his projects00:18:21
and he had built up a list of several00:18:23
people he wanted to kill00:18:25
but catherine00:18:27
was his next00:18:29
i don't know how to exactly say that i00:18:30
had many what i call them projects there00:18:33
were different people in the town that i00:18:35
followed watched00:18:36
kathleen bright was one of the next00:18:38
targets i guess as i would indicate how00:18:41
did you select her uh just driving by00:18:43
one day and i saw her go in the house00:18:45
with somebody else and i thought that's00:18:47
a possibility there was many many places00:18:50
in the area um00:18:52
college hill even they're all over00:18:53
wichita but anyway that's it just was00:18:55
basically a selection process work00:18:56
toward it if it didn't work i just move00:18:58
on to something else00:18:59
on april 4th 1974 dennis packed a small00:19:02
tool bag00:19:03
and broke into catherine's house from00:19:05
the front porch00:19:06
he made his way through the home and hid00:19:08
in her bedroom closet00:19:10
she arrived home around 2pm00:19:12
but there was one problem00:19:14
dennis could hear two voices coming from00:19:16
the living room while he hid in the00:19:18
bedroom00:19:19
her younger brother kevin had joined her00:19:22
dennis wasn't expecting company00:19:24
and he thought catherine would be alone00:19:26
but he quickly adapted to the situation00:19:30
because nothing would stop him from his00:19:31
next kill00:19:33
so dennis pulled a handgun from his bag00:19:35
and ran out of the bedroom00:19:36
he pointed the gun at both of them and00:19:38
told him not to worry00:19:39
and he made up a story about how he was00:19:41
a wanted criminal and needed a car food00:19:44
and money so he could make it to new00:19:46
york city00:19:47
he promised he wasn't going to hurt them00:19:49
and that he just wanted to rob them00:19:52
forcing both of them into the bedroom he00:19:54
grabbed a bundle of rope from his bag00:19:56
and threw it towards kevin00:19:58
he ordered kevin to bind his sister's00:20:00
hands and feet with the rope00:20:02
which he did without hesitating00:20:04
he then pushed kevin into a separate00:20:05
room00:20:06
and dennis tied kevin's hands to the00:20:08
bedpost00:20:09
he then returned to catherine to ensure00:20:11
her ropes were secure00:20:13
and then went to the room kevin was in00:20:16
when dennis walked through the door00:20:17
kevin broke free from the ropes and dove00:20:19
towards dennis00:20:21
but dennis quickly aimed his handgun and00:20:23
shot kevin in the side of the head00:20:25
dennis shoved him away and his body00:20:27
slumped to the floor00:20:29
blood was gushing from his head so00:20:30
dennis left him there and returned to00:20:32
catherine again00:20:34
he knows that her bindings were coming00:20:35
loose too00:20:37
so dennis had to wrestle her to tighten00:20:38
the ropes00:20:40
while he was yanking on the rope ends he00:20:41
heard noises coming from kevin's room00:20:44
after he secured her bindings he went to00:20:46
check on kevin but right as he opened00:20:48
the door kevin lunged at him00:20:50
blood streaming from the gunshot wound00:20:52
in his head00:20:54
but he hadn't died yet00:20:56
he wrestled dennis to the floor where00:20:57
they fought each other00:20:59
and kevin noticed the second gun that00:21:00
dennis had hidden in his shoulder00:21:02
holster which he tried to reach for00:21:04
but when kevin reached for it00:21:06
dennis blocked the trigger with his00:21:08
finger00:21:09
and with his other hand dennis quickly00:21:10
raised the first gun to kevin's face and00:21:13
pulled the trigger00:21:14
again he shot kevin in the head00:21:17
and again his body fell to the floor00:21:20
he went back to catherine and noticed00:21:21
that yet again the bindings were coming00:21:23
loose00:21:24
frustrated and angry he quickly tried to00:21:26
strangle her but she put up too good of00:21:28
a fight00:21:30
dennis knew he was losing too much00:21:31
control over the situation and things00:21:33
weren't going according to plan00:21:35
he needed to finish the job quickly00:21:38
so he pulled out a knife and stabbed00:21:40
catherine in the stomach three times00:21:42
blood soaked into her clothes and her00:21:44
body00:21:45
drooped to the floor00:21:47
dennis raised himself from the ground00:21:49
and went back to check on kevin00:21:52
but only a spot of blood remained where00:21:53
he had left him00:21:55
a trail of blood ran from the bedroom to00:21:57
the front door where dennis knows the00:21:58
front door was wide open00:22:00
he ran out onto the porch and when he00:22:02
looked down the street he saw kevin00:22:04
running away00:22:06
somehow he had survived two gunshot00:22:08
wounds to the head00:22:10
and in fear that the police were on00:22:11
their way dennis packed his bag and00:22:13
escaped the crime scene00:22:15
and when the police and ambulance00:22:16
arrived they found catherine on the00:22:18
bedroom floor00:22:20
blood pouring from her stomach00:22:22
covering the entire floor00:22:24
when first responders checked on her00:22:26
they found that she was unresponsive but00:22:27
still alive00:22:28
they treated her wounds in the ambulance00:22:30
and raced her to the hospital00:22:32
once they arrived doctors performed00:22:34
multiple emergency surgeries and blood00:22:36
transfusions00:22:37
catherine hung on for a bit longer but00:22:40
eventually passed away later that night00:22:43
dennis raider was gone without a trace00:22:45
and the only piece of evidence they had00:22:47
was a vague description00:22:49
by kevin00:22:50
kevin had miraculously survived both00:22:52
gunshots to the head but police thought00:22:54
his descriptions were unreliable00:22:57
due to his injuries00:22:59
after the murder of catherine bright00:23:01
three men came forward and confessed to00:23:03
the otero murders00:23:05
all three were arrested soon after by00:23:07
police00:23:09
local newspapers reported the00:23:10
confessions and the people of wichita00:23:12
were relieved00:23:13
there had been a breakthrough in the00:23:15
case00:23:16
unfortunately00:23:17
dennis rader knew all three of the men00:23:19
were lying00:23:21
and because his ego was everything00:23:23
dennis knew he wasn't going to let00:23:25
anyone else get credit for his murders00:23:27
so in october of 1974 dennis called a00:23:30
local newspaper and told them to search00:23:32
the public library for a clue00:23:35
he had left a letter inside of an00:23:36
engineering book00:23:38
and when the newspaper outlet retrieved00:23:39
the letter they immediately handed it00:23:41
over to the police00:23:43
the letter had been written with a00:23:44
typewriter and it was filled with00:23:46
countless grammatical errors00:23:49
but within it he described the otero00:23:51
murders in gruesome detail00:23:53
which made the police believe only the00:23:55
actual killer could have written this00:23:57
letter00:23:58
he took sole responsibility for the00:24:00
otero family murders00:24:01
and even referred to himself as a00:24:03
monster that couldn't be stopped00:24:05
he also wrote this in the letter00:24:07
and is quoted as saying00:24:09
where this monster entered my brain i00:24:11
will never know00:24:13
but it's here to stay00:24:15
how does one cure himself00:24:17
if you ask for help00:24:19
that you have killed four people that00:24:21
will laugh or hit the panic button and00:24:22
call the cops00:24:24
he then promised there would be more00:24:26
murders and that he couldn't stop00:24:27
himself00:24:29
at the end of the letter he coined his00:24:31
own nickname00:24:33
b00:24:34
tk00:24:35
the acronym resembles how he murders his00:24:37
victims00:24:38
bind them00:24:40
torture them00:24:41
kill them00:24:43
and not only did he want to give himself00:24:44
a nickname for his serial killer persona00:24:47
but he also wanted to open up a line of00:24:49
communication with the police00:24:51
this was how dennis rader introduced his00:24:53
game of cat and mouse00:24:55
the murders weren't just about the00:24:56
thrill of killing anymore they were a00:24:58
game00:24:59
the way he taunted the police became00:25:00
just as exciting as the murders00:25:02
themselves00:25:03
but a game like this is extremely rare00:25:05
for serial killers00:25:07
most just want to kill their victims and00:25:08
get away with it so they can kill again00:25:11
but dennis wanted to stroke his ego even00:25:13
more00:25:14
he wanted to prove that he could00:25:16
outsmart the police00:25:18
after the letter investigators figured00:25:19
they had a serial killer on their hands00:25:21
so they ramped up their efforts00:25:23
they hired more investigators but right00:25:25
as the case began heating up00:25:27
it suddenly went cold00:25:29
the btk killer went silent00:25:32
another cool down period came to pass00:25:35
psychologists compare these cooldown00:25:37
periods to the come down after a high00:25:39
the murders were like a drug for dennis00:25:42
and the effects would last for some time00:25:44
but eventually00:25:46
he needed his next fix00:25:49
his last kill had been incredibly sloppy00:25:51
and the wichita police were finally00:25:52
taking btk seriously00:25:55
so dennis knew his next kill needed to00:25:57
be well planned and perfectly timed00:26:00
it took three more years for btk to00:26:02
resurface00:26:04
on march 17 1977 dennis carried out the00:26:06
plan that he had been drawing up for00:26:08
months he found his next project00:26:12
shirley vayanne00:26:13
a 26 year old mother living with her00:26:15
three young children00:26:17
as dennis drove through the neighborhood00:26:18
he stopped shirley's five-year-old son00:26:20
steve on the sidewalk00:26:22
steve had been walking home from the00:26:24
store with a can of soup00:26:26
dennis pulled out a picture of his own00:26:27
wife and son and he asked steve if he00:26:29
had seen them00:26:31
and steve shook his head in confusion00:26:34
dennis told the boy he was a detective00:26:35
and was searching for two people that00:26:37
had gone missing00:26:39
steve told him he didn't know anything00:26:40
and that he needed to get home to his00:26:42
mother00:26:43
she was sick and needed the soup he had00:26:45
bought from the store00:26:46
so he turned around and headed home00:26:49
later in the day after steve had00:26:51
returned home he heard a knock at the00:26:52
door00:26:53
when steve answered the door dennis00:26:55
stood there in a tweed jacket and00:26:56
sunglasses00:26:58
he reminded steve that he was a00:26:59
detective00:27:00
and told him that he needed to come00:27:02
inside00:27:03
because it was official police business00:27:07
and not knowing any better steve let him00:27:08
on in00:27:09
and dennis carried his bag inside and00:27:11
set it on the floor00:27:13
once inside he noticed two other00:27:15
children bud and stephanie in the living00:27:16
room watching tv00:27:18
he told them not to worry as he switched00:27:20
off the tv and closed the blinds00:27:23
dennis reached for his holster and00:27:24
pulled out a handgun00:27:26
and one of the children screamed00:27:28
after hearing that shirley rushed into00:27:30
the living room00:27:31
she wore a robe and her hair was a mess00:27:34
her nose was red and sweat covered her00:27:35
forehead00:27:37
because she was visibly sick00:27:39
when she spotted the handgun she begged00:27:41
dennis not to harm the children00:27:43
and as he held the family at gunpoint he00:27:45
forced the children into the bathroom00:27:47
and as they moved through the house00:27:48
dennis told shirley that he had a00:27:50
problem with sexual fantasies00:27:52
he said he was going to tie her up and00:27:54
if she didn't cooperate00:27:55
he would tie up her children too00:27:58
once he got all the children into the00:28:00
bathroom he slammed the door as he kept00:28:02
his gun pointed at shirley he forced her00:28:05
to move one of the children's beds in00:28:07
front of the door00:28:08
they barricaded the kids inside and00:28:10
surely told the children to not come out00:28:12
of the bathroom no matter what00:28:15
dennis then took shirley into one of the00:28:16
bedrooms and began binding her hands00:28:18
with rope00:28:19
shirley struggled00:28:21
but her illness had weakened her she00:28:23
could barely fight back00:28:25
and as dennis tightened the ropes00:28:26
shirley turned her head to the side and00:28:28
vomited all over the floor whether from00:28:30
sickness or fear or both00:28:33
shirley threw up the same soup that00:28:34
steve had given her earlier in the day00:28:38
dennis told her to stay put as he went00:28:39
and filled a glass of water in the00:28:40
kitchen sink00:28:42
he sat down next to her and tried to00:28:44
pour water into her mouth so she could00:28:45
drink00:28:46
he comforted her for a moment before00:28:48
continuing his bondage fantasy00:28:51
he then tied her feet to the bed posts00:28:53
and worked his way upwards winding the00:28:55
rope around her body00:28:57
he gathered the rope around her neck and00:28:58
tied it in a loop00:29:00
as shirley screamed in fear00:29:03
her children banged on the bathroom door00:29:05
and dennis threatened to shoot them in00:29:07
the head if they didn't shut up00:29:09
and for his final act with one hand he00:29:12
pulled at the rope around her neck with00:29:13
every last bit of energy00:29:15
and with his other hand he began to00:29:17
masturbate00:29:19
he continued until shirley's body went00:29:21
limp00:29:22
and the tension in her muscles released00:29:24
and her body wilted towards the floor00:29:27
when he was down with her he picked up00:29:28
the body and placed it on the bed00:29:31
and even though shirley was dead00:29:33
dennis wasn't finished00:29:35
he grabbed another set of rope and00:29:37
headed towards the bathroom00:29:39
the children screamed for their mother00:29:41
and just as dennis began moving the bed00:29:43
frame from the doorway the telephone00:29:44
rang00:29:46
dennis knew that if nobody answered it00:29:48
would look suspicious00:29:49
and there was no way he was going to00:29:51
answer with children screaming in the00:29:52
background so he packed up his bag00:29:55
and ran out of the house00:29:58
the children eventually escaped through00:30:00
the bathroom window and ran to their00:30:02
neighbors for help00:30:03
when the police arrived they found00:30:05
shirley tied up in the dramatic position00:30:07
btk had perfected00:30:09
they also found a pair of underwear with00:30:11
semen stains beside her00:30:13
when they asked the children for a00:30:14
description of the man they weren't much00:30:16
help00:30:17
all they could say was that he was a00:30:19
white man around mommy's age and he00:30:21
carried a bag with him00:30:23
with nothing to go on00:30:25
wichita police chief richard lemanyon00:30:27
had to make a move00:30:29
he was on the fence about releasing00:30:30
information to the public00:30:32
and as far as they knew the wichita00:30:34
murders were unrelated the public didn't00:30:36
know there was a serial killer on the00:30:38
loose00:30:39
on the one hand it would spread panic00:30:42
but on the other hand they might be able00:30:43
to get some leads from the public00:30:46
but in the end he decided against it00:30:49
he hoped communication with btk would00:30:51
continue00:30:52
if he didn't give him public credit for00:30:54
the murders00:30:56
he knew from the previous letter that00:30:57
btk cherished his ego more than anything00:31:00
he sent the previous letter because he00:31:02
wanted the credit for the otero family00:31:04
murders00:31:05
so richard pushed his luck and hoped00:31:07
another contact could be made with btk00:31:10
unfortunately for richard though00:31:13
the next contact with btk wasn't the00:31:15
type he was looking for00:31:17
on december 9th 1977 dennis decided to00:31:20
give the police a call at 8 20 a.m00:31:23
on his way to work for adt home security00:31:25
he found a local payphone near a00:31:26
convenience store00:31:28
and as he reached in his pocket for00:31:30
change he realized he didn't have any00:31:33
so he went inside the store and grabbed00:31:34
a few quarters from the clerk00:31:36
he returned to the pay phone and dialed00:31:37
91100:31:55
unknown to dennis00:31:56
police dispatch had started using a00:31:58
tracking system for phone calls and they00:32:00
traced a call to a payphone outside of a00:32:02
convenience store in town00:32:04
a police officer arrived at the pay00:32:05
phone within two minutes of the call00:32:08
but the telephone dangled from the cord00:32:10
and the area was deserted00:32:13
they'd literally missed btk by seconds00:32:16
meanwhile two other officers drove to00:32:18
the address the caller had given00:32:20
and after inspecting the outside the00:32:22
house they noticed the phone line had00:32:23
been cut00:32:25
knowing btk's methods the officers knew00:32:27
what this meant00:32:28
and they immediately realized what they00:32:30
were going to find inside00:32:33
nancy fox was a 25 year old woman who00:32:35
worked as a secretary during the day00:32:37
and a jewelry clerk at night00:32:40
she was an intelligent hard-working00:32:42
woman who tried to make ends meet00:32:44
and as police entered the home they00:32:45
found nancy in the all too familiar00:32:47
bondage position00:32:49
she was face down on the bed00:32:51
and her feet were bound00:32:53
her face was blue and a black bruise ran00:32:56
around her neck where she had been00:32:57
strangled with a leather belt00:32:59
her underwear were wrapped around her00:33:01
ankles00:33:02
but again there is no evidence of rape00:33:04
on the bed beside her there was a00:33:06
nightgown with streaks of semen across00:33:08
the fabric btk had gotten away with another00:33:11
murder00:33:12
and what he later called the project fox00:33:14
hunt00:33:16
and even taunted the police with a phone00:33:18
call for the first time00:33:20
clearly the police chief strategy hadn't00:33:22
paid off he thought if btk kept up the00:33:25
communications with police his game of00:33:27
cat and mouse would interest him more00:33:30
than his murder spree00:33:32
but with the death of nancy fox00:33:34
this clearly wasn't the case00:33:37
on top of this btk sent a poem to the00:33:39
wichita eagle beacon newspaper two00:33:41
months after the murder titled00:33:43
oh00:33:44
death to nancy00:33:46
they didn't publish it00:33:48
but they handed it over to the police00:33:50
and the last lines read00:33:53
and finally i'll close your eyes so you00:33:55
can't see00:33:56
i'll bring sexual death00:33:58
unto you for me00:34:00
btk00:34:02
ten days after sending the poem00:34:05
dennis had noticed that the local news00:34:07
hadn't published his writing like he00:34:08
thought they would00:34:10
so he sent a letter to one of wichita's00:34:12
leading television stations00:34:15
k-a-k-e-t-v00:34:17
in the letter he confessed to killing00:34:19
the otero family00:34:21
shirley vayne00:34:22
and nancy fox00:34:24
and he asked them how many more times he00:34:26
had to kill so he could finally make the00:34:28
news00:34:29
the letter made it clear to the police00:34:31
that btk thrived under publicity00:34:33
he wanted to become a spectacle across00:34:35
the nation00:34:36
so he could feed his ego00:34:39
it was no longer just about the sexual00:34:40
fantasies or the game of cat and mouse00:34:43
it was about building a national legacy00:34:45
after the death of nancy the wichita00:34:47
police had their hands tied they had no00:34:50
solid leads00:34:51
and if they didn't release btk's00:34:53
information to the public00:34:54
he would continue killing00:34:57
so they finally decided to go public00:35:00
on february 10 1978 wichita police00:35:02
revealed that their city had a serial00:35:04
killer on the loose00:35:06
panic00:35:07
spread throughout the entire town00:35:09
and now everyone was aware that a00:35:11
deranged pervert had been hiding inside00:35:13
women's homes00:35:15
tying them up and murdering them00:35:17
and they were at seven victims and00:35:19
counting00:35:20
btk had successfully become wichita's00:35:22
boogeyman00:35:24
and that's precisely00:35:26
what he wanted00:35:28
another year went by and btk went silent00:35:32
another cooldown commenced00:35:34
on april 27 1979 btk re-emerged from the00:35:38
shadows00:35:39
he began stalking a 63 year old woman00:35:42
named anna williams he knew she lived00:35:44
alone00:35:45
and looked like an easy target00:35:48
he tracked her weekly schedule and knew00:35:49
that she went out with friends to play00:35:51
cards every friday00:35:53
so on april 27th he watched anna leave00:35:55
her house00:35:56
with his bag in hand00:35:58
he followed his usual plan00:36:01
he cut the telephone wire in the00:36:02
backyard00:36:03
snuck in through a basement window and00:36:06
waited quietly in the bedroom00:36:08
most fridays anna was only gone for a00:36:10
few hours so we waited for her return00:36:13
he gripped his handgun in his rope and00:36:15
paced back and forth00:36:18
hours passed00:36:19
and the sun had gone down00:36:21
and dennis thought anna would walk in00:36:23
the door any minute00:36:25
but she never came00:36:27
he waited00:36:29
and he waited00:36:31
but anna never came home00:36:33
he eventually lost his patience and left00:36:35
the house00:36:37
by a stroke of luck00:36:39
anna williams had spent the night at her00:36:40
daughter's house instead of coming home00:36:43
and when she finally arrived home the00:36:45
next day she noticed the telephone was00:36:46
dead00:36:47
and the basement window had been broken00:36:49
open00:36:50
she had narrowly dodged becoming btk's00:36:52
eighth victim00:36:54
and since btk failed his next project00:36:57
he did the only thing he could00:37:00
he made contact with the police00:37:02
he sent another letter and a poem00:37:05
saying that anna would have been his00:37:07
next victim00:37:08
he even delivered a scarf he had stolen00:37:10
from her house00:37:11
as well as a drawing of his fantasies00:37:14
he depicted anna tied up and strangled00:37:16
on her bed00:37:18
when anna found out about this she was00:37:19
so shocked00:37:21
that she ended up moving out of kansas00:37:22
altogether00:37:24
and never returned00:37:25
and as for btk00:37:28
he vanished00:37:30
for years00:37:32
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local police were at a dead end00:42:12
almost seven years had passed since the00:42:14
death of nancy fox00:42:16
and the btk case00:42:18
was at a complete00:42:20
stop00:42:22
in 1982 the federal government started00:42:24
the violent criminal apprehension00:42:25
project and by 1984 they had gathered00:42:28
enough resources to send fbi agents to00:42:30
wichita00:42:32
and once they arrived in town they00:42:33
started working with local police00:42:35
eight officers were put on the btk case00:42:38
full time00:42:39
and they named the task force00:42:40
ghostbusters00:42:42
and for nearly two years they searched00:42:44
through all police reports letters and00:42:45
physical evidence00:42:47
they even conducted one of the first00:42:48
series of dna testing in history00:42:51
attempting to match the dna of the semen00:42:53
found at the crime scenes to any00:42:54
suspects in town00:42:56
but they mainly focused on the letters00:42:59
as they believed the letters and poems00:43:00
were the keys to unlocking the case00:43:03
as they dissected each letter they00:43:05
realized the letters weren't original00:43:07
they were copies of the original00:43:08
typewritten letters00:43:10
figuring out what typewriter btk used00:43:12
was nearly impossible00:43:14
still with the help of xerox corporation00:43:17
they identified the brand of the copier00:43:19
the paper and the toner that had been00:43:21
used00:43:22
they zeroed in on two copy machines in00:43:24
town00:43:25
one was in wichita state university and00:43:27
the other was in the public library00:43:30
the copier at the public library stood00:43:32
only a few feet away from where btk had00:43:34
hidden his first letter00:43:36
in an engineering book00:43:38
both copiers were used by hundreds00:43:40
possibly thousands of people00:43:43
and nothing came of this wild goose00:43:45
chase00:43:46
in the end the fbi was no closer to00:43:48
catching btk00:43:50
and by the end of their two years00:43:52
the investigation was shut down00:43:54
as for dennis rader he became a00:43:56
compliance officer for park city kansas00:43:59
the suburb just outside of wichita00:44:02
he loved this position of authority00:44:05
and he played the part well00:44:07
he wrote people tickets for not00:44:08
following city code if their grass was00:44:10
too tall or their dog was off a leash00:44:13
he was known to be an enforcer and00:44:15
rarely let people off the hook00:44:17
he even was known to shoot dogs with00:44:19
tranquilizers who were off the leash on00:44:21
public property00:44:23
alongside this his local church elected00:44:25
him as president of the church council00:44:27
his neighbors always had a high opinion00:44:29
of him00:44:30
and he also spent his time as a boy00:44:32
scout leader for his son's local troop00:44:35
he had successfully built the persona of00:44:37
a stand-up citizen00:44:39
while his btk persona hid in the shadows00:44:42
his murder spree declined but he could00:44:44
never shake his twisted sexual fantasies00:44:47
even in his off years he still had to00:44:50
find ways to fulfill his desires00:44:53
so during the boy scout campouts dennis00:44:54
would pack his collection of bondage00:44:56
ropes a photo camera and a set of his00:44:59
victim's underwear00:45:00
in the early morning hours dennis would00:45:02
leave his tent and sneak into the woods00:45:04
when everyone was asleep00:45:06
once he found a hidden spot in the00:45:08
forest he would dress in his victim's underwear00:45:11
and bind himself with ropes00:45:13
he would pose in various positions00:45:16
the same way he often posed his victims00:45:19
and he would wrap the rope around his00:45:21
neck or put a bag over his head00:45:23
he'd also wear the mask of a woman and00:45:25
place black duct tape over his mouth00:45:28
sometimes he would even dig a shallow00:45:30
grave and lie down in it00:45:32
and no matter the position he would set00:45:34
up his camera on a tripod and photograph00:45:36
himself00:45:37
he would do this on almost every camp00:45:39
out00:45:40
but one time he had tied the knot too00:45:42
tight00:45:43
he had strung himself up to a tree00:45:45
branch and he couldn't break free00:45:47
in the middle of the woods wearing00:45:48
women's underwear in a bag over his head00:45:51
he had trapped himself in his own00:45:52
perverted fantasy00:45:54
maybe his time spent in the boy scouts00:45:56
made him too good at tying knots00:45:58
he began to panic as the morning hours00:46:00
carried on00:46:01
and he knew the rest of the boy scout00:46:03
troop would be awake soon and they would00:46:05
come searching for him00:46:07
and if anyone found him like this he00:46:09
knew his life would be over00:46:11
eventually after wriggling around the00:46:13
knot slipped loose00:46:14
and he freed himself from the ropes00:46:17
and from then on he was much more00:46:18
careful about his knots00:46:20
but he would never stop performing his00:46:22
sexual fantasies00:46:24
not even the threat of getting caught00:46:26
could stop him00:46:27
if anything the threat made him want to00:46:29
do it00:46:30
even more00:46:32
during his leadership with the boy00:46:33
scouts00:46:34
his local church00:46:36
and working as a compliance officer00:46:37
dennis hadn't murdered anyone for nearly00:46:39
eight years00:46:41
although the birthday of his son brian00:46:43
is unknown his daughter carrie was born00:46:45
in 1979 which would explain why his last00:46:48
known attempt to murder anna williams00:46:50
occurred the same year00:46:52
but after eight years of not killing he00:46:53
couldn't take it any longer the bondage00:46:56
experiments in the woods just weren't00:46:58
cutting it00:46:59
he needed the real thing again00:47:01
so he began stalking a 53 year old woman00:47:03
named marine hedge00:47:05
he called her project cookie00:47:08
marine was a kind gentle woman she was a00:47:10
widow and dennis knew she lived alone00:47:13
on the night of april 27 1985 dennis00:47:16
excused himself from a boy scout meeting00:47:18
saying that his head hurt and he needed00:47:20
to take some medicine00:47:22
he walked to his car that was parked00:47:24
near a bowling alley and before he took00:47:26
off to maureen's house00:47:27
he figured he'd need a good alibi00:47:30
so he went inside the bowling alley and00:47:32
ordered a beer00:47:33
he switched the beer in his mouth and00:47:34
intentionally spilled a bit on his shirt00:47:37
he wanted to create the illusion that he00:47:39
was drunk00:47:40
and he had been at the bar for a while00:47:42
he then called a cab and stumbled00:47:44
towards the car when it arrived00:47:46
pretending to be intoxicated he told the00:47:49
driver to take him back home to park00:47:51
city and when he made it into the00:47:53
neighborhood dennis asked if the driver00:47:54
would let him out00:47:55
he said he needed some fresh air00:47:58
he ended up only being a few houses away00:48:00
from his home00:48:02
maureen hedge was actually a neighbor00:48:04
and he had kept a close eye on her for00:48:06
several weeks00:48:07
he spotted her car in the driveway which00:48:09
was odd00:48:10
and he knew her schedule well00:48:12
and that she wasn't supposed to be home00:48:14
yet00:48:15
but that wasn't going to stop him00:48:17
like muscle memory began the process the00:48:20
same way just like old times00:48:23
he snuck into the backyard and cut her00:48:24
telephone line00:48:26
and he knows the back door was unlocked00:48:27
so he snuck inside00:48:29
but once he crept around the house he00:48:31
saw that no one was home00:48:33
so we had to play the waiting game00:48:35
inside of her bedroom00:48:36
not much had changed over the past eight00:48:38
years and dennis set right back into his00:48:40
old ways00:48:42
some time passed when the car pulled00:48:44
into marine's driveway and dennis got00:48:46
excited and peeked out the window00:48:48
but he noticed that maureen wasn't alone00:48:51
she got all the car with another man00:48:53
so dennis fled to the bedroom closet00:48:56
they came inside had to chat and00:48:58
eventually said their goodbyes00:49:01
dennis waited patiently until the man00:49:03
left00:49:04
and maureen fell asleep in her bed00:49:05
around 1am00:49:07
now was his chance00:49:09
he didn't bother with any ropes or tape00:49:11
as those would only hold him back00:49:14
he left the closet but noticed the room00:49:16
was too dark to see anything00:49:18
so he crept his way over to the hallway00:49:20
and turned on the bathroom light00:49:23
and just when the light came on marie00:49:24
noticed that someone was in her house00:49:26
she began screaming at the top of her00:49:28
lungs but dennis quickly lunged towards00:49:30
marine00:49:31
jumped on her bed and wrapped his00:49:32
knuckles around her throat00:49:34
she could barely understand what was00:49:35
happening before her life quickly faded00:49:37
away00:49:39
dennis squeezed as hard as he possibly00:49:40
could00:49:41
vayne's pulse from her forehead and her00:49:44
eyes bulged in terror00:49:46
but soon the light left her eyes00:49:48
it was quick and easy and dennis proudly00:49:50
hovered over her dead body00:49:52
but the night wasn't over for dennis00:49:55
he wouldn't let his first murder00:49:57
after eight years go to waste00:49:59
so he stole her car keys00:50:01
dragged her body to the trunk of her car00:50:03
and drove off00:50:04
he took her to the christ lutheran00:50:06
church not far away00:50:08
and since he was president of the church00:50:09
council00:50:11
he had all the keys to the building00:50:13
in a hurry he retrieved maureen from the00:50:15
trunk of her car and took her inside00:50:17
while there he placed her dead body in00:50:19
one of the rooms and covered her eyes00:50:20
with a cloth00:50:22
he angled her lifeless body in various00:50:24
bondage positions and took several00:50:26
photographs00:50:27
when he felt his needs had finally been00:50:29
satisfied00:50:30
he grabbed her body and dumped it on the00:50:33
side of the road00:50:35
he murdered her on april 27th00:50:38
but her body wasn't discovered by police00:50:40
until may 5th00:50:42
and by that time her body had already00:50:43
begun to decompose in the ditch00:50:46
on the side of the road00:50:48
after his first taste of murder in00:50:50
nearly a decade dennis wasn't going to00:50:52
stop after just one bite by september of00:50:55
1986 he had found his next project00:50:58
a young 28 year old named vicky00:51:00
waggerly00:51:02
he had often wandered around her00:51:03
neighborhood and stopped by her house00:51:05
she played piano so he would lurk00:51:07
outside listening to her music00:51:10
after tracking her schedule dennis knew00:51:12
when to strike00:51:14
so on the morning of september 16 198600:51:17
dennis disguised himself as a telephone00:51:19
repairman with a worker's helmet in a00:51:21
briefcase and knocked on vicki's door00:51:25
he told her there was a problem with her00:51:26
telephone and he had been sent to fix it00:51:30
vicki let him inside and he made his way00:51:32
over to the home phone00:51:33
and with scissors he cut the phone line00:51:35
and turned around the face vicky00:51:37
he pulled a handgun from his holster and00:51:39
aimed it at her00:51:40
it was then that he noticed a toddler00:51:42
had been sitting on the living room00:51:43
floor00:51:44
he didn't force vicki into the bedroom00:51:46
where he told her he was going to tie00:51:47
her up00:51:48
but when he got his ropes out she fought00:51:51
back00:51:52
while defending herself she cut dennis00:51:53
with her nails and he bled from his arms00:51:56
and face00:51:57
but after a short scuffle he overpowered00:51:59
her00:52:00
he took a pair of nylon pantyhose and00:52:02
began strangling her and he felt the00:52:04
same release of ecstasy that he had all00:52:06
those years ago when he watched his00:52:08
middle school teacher from outside her00:52:10
window00:52:11
and as usual he wouldn't leave without00:52:13
binding vicki and placing her in00:52:14
different positions00:52:16
it was a ritual he wasn't going to pass00:52:18
up00:52:19
even though he would have preferred a00:52:21
lie victim00:52:22
he moved her around00:52:24
fixed her clothes00:52:25
and began photographing her dead body00:52:28
when he was through taking pictures he00:52:29
heard the dogs barking out in the00:52:31
backyard he also noticed that the00:52:33
windows were open00:52:34
and he figured the commotion to cause a00:52:36
lot of noise so he needed to leave as00:52:38
quickly as possible00:52:40
he took the car keys from the kitchen00:52:41
and stole vicky's car that had been00:52:43
sitting in the driveway00:52:44
and as he backed the car out and headed00:52:46
down the street00:52:48
dennis didn't realize he had missed00:52:50
vicki's husband by minutes00:52:52
bill wagerly was on his way home when he00:52:54
thought he saw vicky's car traveling in00:52:56
the opposite direction00:52:57
but he couldn't identify who was in the00:52:59
vehicle00:53:00
and when he got to his house the front00:53:02
door was wide open00:53:04
his toddler sat alone in the living room00:53:07
and when he called out to vicki there00:53:08
was no response00:53:10
he found her on the floor beside her00:53:12
bed he rushed to call an ambulance00:53:15
thinking she was still alive00:53:17
but doctors declared her dead after00:53:19
arriving at the hospital00:53:21
the only thing missing from the house00:53:22
was vicki's driver's license00:53:25
bill wagerly quickly became the prime00:53:27
suspect in the case00:53:29
even though he pleaded with00:53:30
investigators00:53:31
and it took months for them to realize00:53:34
that he wasn't the murderer00:53:36
but just like all the other crime scenes00:53:39
that the btk killer left behind the00:53:42
phone line was cut and the victim was00:53:43
strangled00:53:45
but somehow00:53:46
investigators missed this obvious trail00:53:50
and in a bit of irony it was this00:53:52
crucial misstep by investigators that00:53:53
would eventually lead to btk's downfall00:53:57
after his final victim in 1991 a 62 year00:54:00
old woman named dolores davis00:54:02
dennis finally retired from a serial00:54:04
killing lifestyle00:54:06
he chose an older victim because she was00:54:07
easier to overpower00:54:09
and after his last wrestle with vicki00:54:11
wagorly he realized he was getting older00:54:13
and no longer had the strength to deal00:54:15
with younger victims00:54:17
vicky had scratched him up pretty bad00:54:19
so his final hurrah would be an easy one00:54:22
he followed his old playbook and easily00:54:24
tortured and strangled dolores davis00:54:26
with her own pantyhose00:54:28
but instead of leaving her at the crime00:54:30
scene he took pictures of her in the00:54:31
woods and dumped her body beneath a00:54:33
bridge00:54:34
in sedgwick county00:54:37
his last murder was simple and00:54:38
straightforward and he promised himself00:54:40
it would be his last one00:54:43
and after this for over 20 years00:54:46
dennis went into hiding00:54:48
investigators had connected all of his00:54:50
murders except for one00:54:52
they never connected the dots between00:54:54
btk00:54:55
and vicki wagorly00:54:57
and this drove dennis to the brink of00:54:59
insanity00:55:00
as he was obsessed00:55:02
with getting credit for his kills00:55:04
and after all this time they never gave00:55:06
him credit for vicky00:55:08
so in 2004 30 years after he began00:55:11
killing00:55:12
btk resurfaced one last time00:55:14
he needed the world to know00:55:16
that he killed vicki00:55:18
so on march 19th he sent a letter to the00:55:20
local newspaper and within the envelope00:55:23
he placed three photographs of vicki and00:55:25
a copy of her driver's license00:55:27
the return address belonged to a fake00:55:29
name00:55:30
bill thomas killman00:55:32
which had the initials btk00:55:35
no serial killer in history has ever00:55:37
resurfaced after 20 years of silence00:55:40
dennis could have easily crept into a00:55:42
quiet life00:55:43
but his ego got the best of him00:55:45
in a letter to police he asked if his00:55:47
writings could be traced back to him if00:55:49
he sent them on a floppy disk00:55:51
the police lied and said a floppy disk00:55:53
would be secure00:55:55
and this minor oblivion to modern00:55:57
technology00:55:59
would ultimately lead00:56:01
to the capture of btk00:56:04
on february 16 2005 raider sent a purple00:56:07
floppy disk00:56:08
to ksas tv in wichita00:56:11
the police's computer forensic team00:56:13
inspected the disc00:56:15
and they were able to recover metadata00:56:17
embedded in a deleted microsoft word00:56:20
file00:56:21
and the data included the words christ00:56:23
lutheran church00:56:25
where dennis had been president of the00:56:27
council00:56:28
and the document was also marked00:56:31
as last modified00:56:33
by a username00:56:35
named dennis00:56:38
a straightforward search revealed that00:56:39
dennis rader was on the church council00:56:42
and to add more evidence to the case00:56:44
investigators search for dna evidence00:56:47
not only did they have btk's dna from00:56:49
the semen he left behind00:56:51
but they also collected skin from00:56:53
underneath vicky wagerly's fingernails00:56:55
although her fight might not have saved00:56:57
her life00:56:58
the scratches she gave to dennis led to00:57:00
a dna match00:57:02
around 3 000 men had been swabbed in00:57:04
wichita00:57:05
one of the largest dna sweeps in history00:57:08
but btk wasn't one of them00:57:11
investigators then got a warrant to test00:57:13
the dna of a pap smear from dennis's00:57:15
daughter carrie00:57:17
and the dna showed that kerry was a00:57:18
family member of btk00:57:21
and the rest was history00:57:23
soon after00:57:24
investigators tracked btk down00:57:27
as he was traveling in his vehicle00:57:30
and quickly arrested him on february00:57:32
25th 200500:57:34
afterwards police searched his home and00:57:36
they uncovered writings photos and00:57:37
artwork of his victims he had outlined00:57:40
women's bodies from magazines and drew00:57:43
ropes around their bodies00:57:44
they also found women's underwear in the00:57:46
bag he used to carry his bondage tools00:57:49
he was charged with 10 counts of murder00:57:51
and he later confessed to all ten00:57:54
and pleaded guilty00:57:56
and during his court hearing he00:57:57
described each murder in gruesome detail00:57:59
with no remorse00:58:01
if anything he was finally relieved that00:58:02
he now owned00:58:04
all the credit for the murders00:58:06
and there is literally a 45-minute video00:58:08
on youtube and we've played some clips00:58:10
from it here today in this episode00:58:12
but you can watch the full 45-minute00:58:14
confession and just see how00:58:17
disturbing it is to hear him say all00:58:20
these things that he did to all these00:58:22
women00:58:23
and not have a care in the world and is00:58:25
just so matter of fact about it00:58:27
it's so chilling00:58:29
the judge sentenced him to 1000:58:30
consecutive life sentences with a00:58:32
minimum of 175 years in his long-winded00:58:36
sentencing statement he spent 30 minutes00:58:38
on the stand00:58:39
and rather than apologies00:58:41
his statement came off as one last00:58:43
performance where he could take center00:58:44
stage and milk it for as long as he00:58:47
could00:58:48
trust his crimes have committed has00:58:50
continued as a00:58:51
central candidate as a monster brought00:58:53
to the00:58:54
community the family the victims00:58:57
dishonored and it's all self-centered as00:59:00
it would be called i would call a sexual00:59:02
predator his wife paula dietz was00:59:05
granted an emergency divorce from dennis00:59:07
rader after his conviction00:59:09
and since his sentencing on august 800:59:10
200500:59:12
dennis has suffered from a few health00:59:14
issues including scoliosis a painful and00:59:17
sometimes disabling curvature of the00:59:18
spine00:59:20
he claims he can't stand on his feet for00:59:21
very long without immense pain00:59:24
he also had a stroke in 201800:59:27
however he is still alive today00:59:30
in a solitary confinement at el dorado00:59:33
correctional facility00:59:35
he's been granted privileges such as tv00:59:37
radio and magazines00:59:39
and prison staff have always reported00:59:41
good behavior00:59:43
the dennis raider disguise of a stand-up00:59:45
citizen persists even in prison00:59:48
but anyone who knows dennis rader00:59:50
the serial sexual sadist00:59:52
knows that his inner demons are waiting00:59:54
in a dark bedroom closet00:59:56
ready to lurch from the shadows at any00:59:58
moment00:59:59
the question remains01:00:01
was dennis rader born to become a01:00:04
sexually sadistic murderer dennis01:00:06
rader's attorney hired a psychologist01:00:09
robert mendoza to conduct an evaluation01:00:11
on dennis but they quickly realized that01:00:13
a plea of insanity01:00:15
wouldn't have worked01:00:17
after dennis pled guilty01:00:19
robert mendoza conducted an interview in01:00:21
hopes of shedding light on why dennis01:00:23
bound tortured and killed his victims01:00:26
he diagnosed dennis with narcissistic01:00:28
anti-social and obsessive-compulsive01:00:31
personality disorders01:00:33
he noted a grand sense of self and a01:00:35
desperate need for attention01:00:38
there is no known trauma that occurred01:00:39
in his childhood explains why he did the01:00:41
things he did01:00:43
which might suggest that dennis rader01:00:45
was simply born this way01:00:47
like he said in his letters01:00:49
where this monster entered my brain i01:00:51
will never know01:00:52
[Music]01:00:53
in his continuous letters to the outside01:00:55
world dennis refers to his current self01:00:57
in first person01:00:59
but refers to his past self as btk01:01:03
as if he's separating the two people01:01:06
he has even claimed that he was01:01:07
possessed by two demons when he01:01:09
committed the murders01:01:11
he calls them batter01:01:13
and factor x01:01:15
batter was his first scapegoat01:01:17
he described the demon as a frog looking01:01:19
dragon01:01:21
and factor x01:01:23
has claimed was the real demon that made01:01:25
him commit the murders01:01:27
but as a narcissist01:01:29
his ego still pushes him01:01:31
to claim responsibility01:01:34
for the heinous crimes he committed01:01:36
and he continues to believe that society01:01:38
owes him a debt for not killing more01:01:42
to this day his ego feeds off of the fan01:01:44
base that collects his artwork and sends01:01:46
him letters in prison01:01:48
one of the few close people in his life01:01:49
that kept in touch with him through01:01:51
letters was his daughter carrie rossen01:01:53
his wife paula sent a letter or two but01:01:55
quickly cut all contact and disappeared01:01:58
from the public eye01:02:00
as for his son brian not much is known01:02:03
what we do know is that he was an eagle01:02:04
scout01:02:05
and went on to serve in the navy01:02:07
by the time his dad was convicted01:02:10
he's also stayed out of the public eye01:02:12
since then01:02:14
but carrie rossen tried her best to come01:02:15
to terms with the fact that her father01:02:17
was btk01:02:19
she tried to learn how to forgive her01:02:20
dad if it was even possible01:02:23
growing up she had mostly fond memories01:02:25
of him01:02:26
and she and the rest of her family had01:02:27
no idea what her father was doing in the01:02:30
shadows01:02:32
when the truth about her dad came to01:02:33
light she realized she had been lied to01:02:35
her entire life01:02:36
the anguish she went through after her01:02:38
dad referred to his family as pawns in01:02:40
his game01:02:41
during a sentencing statement had stuck01:02:43
with her to this day01:02:45
and she couldn't believe her own father01:02:47
thought of his family like that01:02:50
she's tried her best to stay in contact01:02:51
with her dad but their back and forth01:02:53
eventually came to an end01:02:55
he began sending her drawings of animals01:02:56
with gaping mouths and even wrote a01:02:59
letter to the wichita eagle newspaper01:03:01
telling them that his daughter reminds01:03:02
him of himself01:03:05
he compared her to himself by saying01:03:06
that she used the media to tell her01:03:08
story01:03:09
just like he did when he was writing01:03:10
letters to local news outlets01:03:13
on top of all this btk's fans had begun01:03:16
screenshotting carrie's activity online01:03:18
and sending it to her dad01:03:20
as well as messaging her that her dad is01:03:22
a quote unquote01:03:24
great guy01:03:25
after she published her book a serial01:03:27
killer's daughter my story of faith love01:03:29
and overcoming01:03:31
her dad placed his signature over hers01:03:33
on a copy that was sent to him by a fan01:03:36
in the end carrie got a no contact order01:03:38
against him and she realized he was a01:03:40
complete narcissist01:03:42
and that he was never going to change01:03:44
even in prison his desperate need for01:03:47
attention exceeded everything else in01:03:48
his life01:03:50
the man who she knew as a loving father01:03:51
was only an elaborate disguise for the01:03:53
selfish sadistic man beneath the mask01:03:57
and that01:03:58
is where the story ends01:04:00
with btk01:04:02
he now sits in prison01:04:04
awaiting his the day he dies01:04:08
and that's it01:04:10
but one thing we can do is remember01:04:12
those who lost their lives to this01:04:14
horrific monster01:04:17
i'm gonna go through and just say their01:04:18
names01:04:20
because i feel we owe it to them01:04:23
to pay our respects01:04:25
there was giulio taro01:04:27
joseph otero01:04:29
josephine otero01:04:31
joseph otero jr01:04:33
catherine bright01:04:36
shirley vian01:04:38
nancy fox01:04:40
maureen hedge01:04:43
vicki waggerly01:04:45
and delores davis01:04:48
i honestly don't know how i feel01:04:50
about all this i feel that01:04:52
the punishment wasn't severe enough for01:04:55
for dennis01:04:57
i don't feel that he01:04:58
you know life in prison01:05:01
but yet he gets01:05:03
magazines tv01:05:05
and it seems like he honestly enjoys01:05:07
being in prison yeah it seems like he01:05:09
got everything he ever wanted from all01:05:11
this right he's living out his wildest01:05:13
fantasies even in prison yeah because01:05:16
he's getting the attention that he wants01:05:18
he's got fans now which is just sick01:05:20
yeah there's people that are [ __ ]01:05:22
fans of serial killers i don't01:05:23
understand that at all i mean either01:05:25
that there's people that write to these01:05:27
people and01:05:28
keep their spirits up it's just like01:05:31
this person doesn't deserve any of that01:05:33
it's just one of those i'm like god01:05:35
you know is it really better to keep him01:05:37
alive01:05:38
because it seems like01:05:40
he's completely fine with that he's01:05:41
living out you know the way that he01:05:43
wanted to01:05:44
he's getting all the credit for his01:05:46
crimes i mean the fact that he got to01:05:48
be up on the stand for01:05:50
30 45 minutes talking about what he did01:05:53
is just honestly crazy yeah i feel like01:05:55
that must have been absolutely horrific01:05:57
for the families01:05:58
that were likely sitting in that01:06:00
courtroom listening to him talk about01:06:02
how with meticulous detail01:06:04
from start to finish what he did to each01:06:06
of them01:06:07
and like he was proud of it and with no01:06:09
remorse yeah01:06:12
i mean really really terrifying honestly01:06:14
that he was able to evade capture all01:06:16
these years i think today if somebody01:06:18
were to do this would be much harder01:06:19
obviously dna is you know matching has01:06:22
gone come a long way and being able to01:06:24
track people down that way01:06:27
probably would have happened way faster01:06:28
than it did01:06:30
and just you know a lot of people do01:06:31
have security systems in their homes01:06:33
which would you know if you have if you01:06:35
leave the house and you arm your01:06:36
security system and somebody breaks in01:06:38
you know it's gonna01:06:40
they're not gonna be able to hide out01:06:41
inside your home but the fact that he01:06:42
did that's just01:06:44
horrifying i mean i couldn't even01:06:45
imagine i mean i feel like that's like01:06:46
everybody's worst nightmare is like come01:06:48
home and somebody's just waiting for you01:06:50
hiding in your closet yeah like while01:06:51
you're sleeping to get attacked like01:06:53
that's terrifying01:06:55
yeah i mean he's he was really a really01:06:58
a brutal01:06:59
really a brutal individual and he let01:07:01
his sexual fantasies get the best of him01:07:03
yeah i mean there was no again like was01:07:06
he born to kill it seems to me that01:07:09
maybe he was i mean sometimes i think01:07:12
maybe some people have this01:07:15
predisposition do i mean due to i don't01:07:17
know if it's just something that's01:07:18
passed down to them or it's some sort of01:07:21
genetic quirk that happens or just maybe01:07:24
the way the guy is wired i mean maybe01:07:26
his brain development just wasn't all01:07:27
there01:07:28
and01:07:30
caused him to have sort of these01:07:32
sadistic01:07:34
thoughts and fantasies from a young age01:07:36
i mean he was killing animals choking01:07:38
them01:07:39
really really young so it's like where01:07:41
did he get that idea to do that where01:07:43
did he where did these thoughts even01:07:45
come from in the first place and it01:07:46
seems like as far as we know there's not01:07:48
like a source for that no01:07:51
and like with a lot of serial killers01:07:53
either they're introduced to killing or01:07:55
they witness killing at a young age01:07:58
and that sort of sparks something or01:07:59
they're abused or there's some sort of01:08:02
traumatic event they go through that01:08:03
sort of01:08:04
creates that rage and anger inside of01:08:06
them to want to kill and harm others but01:08:09
for him and just i don't know01:08:12
there's not as far as i can see there's01:08:14
not something one thing to pinpoint01:08:17
that01:08:18
leads us01:08:20
to down this path that he went like01:08:22
it just seems like this was something01:08:24
that developed early on and it just he01:08:27
you know he tried to01:08:29
i mean he didn't really try he went01:08:31
through these urges and slowly but01:08:33
surely realized that in order to satisfy01:08:35
these urges he needed to up01:08:37
up the ante and you know eventually led01:08:40
to killing people01:08:41
because that was sort of the ultimate01:08:43
thrill for him01:08:44
i mean it's just crazy to think that01:08:46
there's human beings01:08:48
even today that01:08:49
possess this these01:08:52
sick01:08:53
fantasies and like that's what they want01:08:56
to do they want to do these sick things01:08:57
to people it's just01:08:59
it's really hard to wrap your head01:09:00
around honestly01:09:02
that's you know01:09:03
there's people out there today that01:09:06
think and do these things01:09:08
obviously now it's definitely harder to01:09:10
be a serial killer i feel like01:09:12
but it certainly does still happen01:09:16
so01:09:17
and in a sense um01:09:19
with dennis being in solitary01:09:21
confinement for the rest of his life01:09:23
like rotting away01:09:25
is kind of like more more of a01:09:27
punishment than sure the death penalty01:09:29
and i get that like i get that being01:09:31
especially solitary confinement i mean01:09:33
if he was in general pop they'd he'd be01:09:36
killed yeah now somebody would have01:09:37
killed him by now and that's where i'm01:09:39
like throw him in general population let01:09:41
him01:09:42
let him like fend for himself like he he01:09:45
took all these people's lives01:09:47
and they never had a fighting chance01:09:49
right01:09:50
why not let him have the same experience01:09:52
you know what i mean rather than pert01:09:54
because ultimately being in solitary01:09:55
confinement is protecting him true and01:09:57
his safety yeah it sucks to be alone in01:10:00
a room all day but he also has01:10:02
entertainment he's got tv and you know01:10:05
he's got ways to occupy his mind like01:10:07
yeah and he's it's seeming like guards01:10:10
are saying he has good behavior and he's01:10:12
just kind of like this model prisoner01:10:14
it's just like01:10:15
what kind of punishment is that01:10:17
it's like01:10:18
i feel like if you're i feel like serial01:10:19
killers just deserve a whole nother01:10:21
level of punishment eye for an eye type01:10:23
of thing yeah i mean01:10:25
i just feel that's just my personal01:10:26
opinion i mean i think everybody's01:10:28
everybody's entitled to what they think01:10:29
but i think if you01:10:31
take the lives especially01:10:33
take the life of anybody01:10:35
but take the lives of01:10:37
multiples of people01:10:39
and01:10:40
do the things that serial killers do01:10:42
often torture and01:10:45
cause people to have01:10:47
you know cut their life short in these01:10:48
horrific ways i feel like01:10:50
you know you should experience the same01:10:52
thing so you can maybe have that last01:10:54
minute realization of like oh my god01:10:57
what did i01:10:58
do and maybe that might actually teach01:11:00
them a lesson or01:11:02
allow them to01:11:04
come to the realization of the harm that01:11:07
they inflicted on others yeah obviously01:11:09
for somebody like dennis who's a01:11:12
narcissist and mentally potentially01:11:14
mentally ill01:11:16
maybe they will never have that moment01:11:17
but at least from a victim standpoint i01:11:19
feel like if we were to ask the victims01:11:22
families what they'd want i'm sure it'd01:11:23
be a much harsher sentence yeah or you01:11:26
know like that he tortured these people01:11:28
does he deserve to be tortured01:11:31
and that's a huge debate and yeah you01:11:33
know it's hard to say where you know if01:11:35
that's something viable or01:11:37
obviously it's not something that really01:11:39
exists in01:11:40
in uh our criminal justice system but01:11:43
again like general pop would be torture01:11:45
for him oh yeah like put him in you know01:11:48
with all the rest of and let him fend01:11:50
for himself there01:11:52
and see what happens and the fact that01:11:54
that he just went straight from01:11:57
admitting to all the murders and then01:11:58
being straight into solitary confinement01:12:00
where he's been ever since and now he's01:12:01
lived out his his whole life he's still01:12:04
alive that's great and just living out01:12:07
you know knowing that he's got fans and01:12:09
yeah it's just sick honestly i think01:12:11
it's i think it's01:12:13
i just don't think that that's justice01:12:14
at the end of the day01:12:16
but you'll have to let me know what you01:12:18
think about this01:12:19
do you think he deserved a harsher01:12:22
punishment for his crimes01:12:24
maybe there's even more victims that we01:12:26
don't even know about i mean it's very01:12:27
possible serial killers but again with01:12:29
dennis i think he would have admitted it01:12:31
he would have confessed and probably01:12:32
told us if there's more01:12:34
so as far as we know it was01:12:36
you know01:12:38
these 10 victims01:12:39
that i mentioned earlier01:12:42
but with that being said01:12:43
we'll go ahead and wrap up today's01:12:44
episode there01:12:46
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