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network Yes, it’s nice to talk with an intelligent00:00:05
person It’s a pity what’s wrong with you But I’m with00:00:08
you, yes, I heard you, I read you, you have a00:00:12
fairly good level of observation that00:00:14
I like here, besides me, artificial intelligence will also00:00:16
assist me,00:00:18
including its shaitan machine I00:00:21
want everything - find out what00:00:23
artificial intelligence thinks Let's00:00:25
ask her, my friend Tell us who00:00:27
Evgeniy Margulis is00:00:29
[ __ ] you00:00:33
[music]00:00:50
Well, hello Zhora Evgeniy is very glad to00:00:55
see you Thank you, I like that in00:00:58
all the endeavors of new programs,00:01:02
scientists use me like a mouse, they check everything on00:01:06
me that is, all operations, all new00:01:09
drugs Thank you for the invitation Maybe00:01:13
we’ll get to know each other Or our viewers Do you00:01:16
think you know, I’m not sure00:01:20
[music]00:01:29
I will also have00:01:31
artificial intelligence assist me gpt neural networks00:01:34
that’s all this wonderful00:01:36
column will voice all this00:01:37
splendor by the way she needs to be00:01:40
called something. It’s like you have a dog, if my00:01:43
memory serves me right. But00:01:47
she’s like our joint dog, and when our00:01:50
son goes somewhere, we have a00:01:53
dog when we go somewhere, as00:01:56
always, it’s natural for him to call her00:01:58
friend buddy, maybe we'll00:02:01
call this dog buddy, it's easy that he00:02:03
doesn't have a name, it's good buddy,00:02:06
long live00:02:08
the machine. I still want to know what00:02:12
artificial intelligence thinks. Let's00:02:14
ask him what question we'll ask first,00:02:17
but first You seem to want to voice00:02:20
ask. from artificial intelligence from a00:02:22
friend Yes, who am I? Let's ask00:02:25
my friend Tell us who is Evgeniy00:02:28
Margulis00:02:29
[ __ ] you00:02:32
margaris in Lithuanian Margulis Hasidic00:02:35
Ashkenazi pronunciation which00:02:38
means a precious stone emerald00:02:40
Evgeniy Margulis Soviet and Russian00:02:43
musician man gained wide popularity00:02:46
after performing in the group00:02:48
Time Machine00:02:49
[ music]00:02:51
True Well, yes, but after all, they won’t00:02:56
die, but pearls are pearls Yes, still00:02:58
precious precious Yes,00:03:02
I’ll tell you briefly In general, that we will have the first00:03:04
block, our most interesting This is a question00:03:06
that you wouldn’t want to talk about,00:03:08
then I’ll ask you what I need00:03:12
talk and then what would you like to00:03:15
talk about00:03:16
[music]00:03:19
What questions terribly piss you off I don’t really00:03:22
like The spectrum is quite00:03:25
wide but I don’t like to talk about politics00:03:28
because I still think that a00:03:31
musician’s destiny is to compose and perform your own00:03:36
music to have a civil position00:03:38
is understandable. She must be present, but00:03:40
politics is best spoken about by people00:03:43
who are involved in Yes. Which is more00:03:47
material? And ours are00:03:49
emotional [ __ ]. Forgive me God, it is00:03:52
based only on the00:03:54
technical attitudes that scared you away at00:03:56
the moment, you read something, you00:03:59
didn’t understand anything, but you it either00:04:02
outraged or amazed you and you need to00:04:04
comment somehow And you00:04:07
start talking nonsense out of emotion and Pay attention to00:04:10
how many people00:04:12
got burned by this, that is, you seem to00:04:15
think that this is a smart person, but he00:04:18
starts commenting on something and something... then00:04:20
explain and you understand that in front of you, but a00:04:23
complete idiot, it would be better if he remained silent and played00:04:25
his song now The only00:04:28
problem is that we will not00:04:30
really touch upon politics, but00:04:32
now there is simply no way, as if00:04:34
it were not there, to remain silent00:04:36
and I was also attracted Although who am I00:04:39
for me asks about politics, that’s why we’ll00:04:41
leave this00:04:44
as a political scientist to professional people00:04:46
who understand this, and00:04:48
we’d better talk about technologies, artificial00:04:50
intelligence, neural network, and this is all00:04:55
closer to me, and I think it’s for you because00:04:57
these technologies also get into art, and00:05:00
since a person who makes00:05:01
music will It’s interesting00:05:03
to talk to you in the context of this, it’s nice to00:05:05
talk to an intelligent person00:05:11
heard00:05:12
Evgeniy Thank you, it’s a pleasure to talk and00:05:15
in general it’s great for me I read you00:05:17
where I00:05:20
read you on the telegram it was00:05:22
quite interesting and again you know00:05:26
you have a good fairly good level of00:05:29
observation that I like listen00:05:31
nice then a minute of advertising00:05:33
integration subscribe to the00:05:35
telegram channel trapushkin there is also a00:05:37
telegram channeldushkin lightning this00:05:39
news I already have you see00:05:41
even reviews00:05:43
Yes it’s real Otherwise everyone tells me that00:05:46
I have bots there There is no bot There you go You00:05:48
know there are probably not very many a00:05:50
pleasant question that seems to be in00:05:52
the air and it’s hardly political, it’s00:05:54
more just about personal things, many of your00:05:57
colleagues, musicians and others, have left.00:06:00
And my colleagues are also there, who are there to enter the00:06:03
spheres and so on, they left. You stayed, I00:06:06
understand, I arrived and you stayed and walked00:06:09
on00:06:10
federal broadcasts and so on, you probably00:06:12
get tons of [ __ ], you read00:06:15
some comments to yourself. I hope that00:06:16
this doesn’t bother you at all, but00:06:18
nevertheless, why didn’t you leave?00:06:20
Well, firstly, I was born here00:06:23
and secondly, my whole life is00:06:27
spent here00:06:30
what I have achieved I have achieved here00:06:34
and, as it were, before ours what already exists00:06:37
because there is a different mentality in order00:06:40
to go there you need to either00:06:42
be born there or think like the people who00:06:45
live there I really like to vacation00:06:49
abroad, but after, say, two weeks00:06:53
I have a clinch from the00:06:56
state but not a buzz, not a buzz00:07:01
Because I can’t communicate with whoever I00:07:04
want, I can’t do what I want,00:07:08
what I’m used to. So, aimless vacation is like00:07:12
sitting there on the beach, swimming, the sea is not00:07:15
particularly interesting to me, I usually00:07:19
go abroad I go to concerts and visit interesting cities while00:07:22
staggering, that is, I travel between cities to00:07:26
my friends who are00:07:29
currently there, this is an option for a good00:07:32
trip, but00:07:34
all the work and all the fun I have, of course, is00:07:37
here. For me, let’s say the story of00:07:39
life abroad: I came to America00:07:41
somewhere in the early nineties And of00:07:44
course, I went to Brighton Beach because it’s00:07:48
all ours and Tatyana’s restaurant, there are00:07:52
many many of our names, for00:07:55
me this is an00:07:56
indicator of America at that time, an00:07:58
indicator of this Russian00:08:00
sausage migration of ours, this is a beacon on which00:08:05
such a hefty one, well, the Tower is probably00:08:09
some kind of- then a tower on which there are two00:08:11
loudspeakers and in very poor quality they00:08:15
broadcast00:08:17
Zhvanetsky and a crowd of old00:08:22
Jews flocks in, they stand near this tower00:08:25
listening to what Zhvanetsky is broadcasting,00:08:28
others approach what he said, a00:08:31
chain that is closer to the loudspeaker00:08:34
begins to explain to those who have just00:08:37
arrived what he said this is exactly00:08:40
the story of the Russian migration of that00:08:43
time. Why did people leave then?00:08:46
You know, but mainly from00:08:51
instability because, let’s say, if you00:08:54
take the fifth blood type,00:08:57
then there really were problems with00:08:59
anti-Semitism; it was difficult to get a00:09:03
job; it was difficult00:09:04
[music]00:09:06
persisted 70 80s years of quite00:09:10
difficult advancement up the career00:09:12
ladder, you had to either join the party00:09:15
or do something else like that. Well,00:09:18
naturally there was nothing to eat because there were00:09:20
coupons and so on,00:09:23
but naturally abroad the bread is always00:09:26
sweeter, naturally abundance and jeans00:09:29
that we loved. That’s why people00:09:32
were leaving And you didn’t think about leaving at that time.00:09:34
You know, there were such ideas00:09:37
because there were problems, after all, of the Soviet00:09:40
regime. We still led such a00:09:43
social way of life so that the00:09:46
shaggy ones would dress differently from what was00:09:49
customary because they walked they especially00:09:52
built and sang songs not about love or about00:09:55
the party about love for the profession about00:09:58
some other bodies which, let’s say,00:10:01
people calling them editors there,00:10:04
concerts of enterprises there, brain concert00:10:07
Rosconze and so on, they were always looking for00:10:08
some kind of double And triple meaning there00:10:11
some ordinary song about how,00:10:14
in principle, it sucks for me took on a00:10:16
completely different color. That is,00:10:19
the idea was immediately conjured up that he felt bad in the00:10:21
Soviet Union, then worse, he hates00:10:23
the party, the Jewish face is leaving for Israel00:10:27
Well, and further upward in this00:10:29
regard, you know, I behaved like the hero of00:10:32
Khadzhin is the middle who said that in00:10:34
20 years He will teach the donkey to speak, how so00:10:38
he says in 20 years anything can happen under 20 years00:10:39
Anything can die under the sun,00:10:43
and I myself can, so I was waiting for all these00:10:47
three components00:10:49
to appear here in the Soviet Union, but00:10:52
Perestroika happened and somehow00:10:55
Yesenin began to live00:10:59
In general, you didn’t bend to the changing00:11:02
world again, I’m quoting a00:11:04
famous piece of music00:11:08
[music]00:11:09
the theme of00:11:12
infuriating questions is some kind of thing00:11:14
that infuriates you throughout this entire career00:11:17
Surely you’ve already waited for 10000:11:19
billion interviews of the usual Why not00:11:23
really I agree to an interview because all00:11:26
the questions are the same But maybe00:11:29
commas have been rearranged somewhere and a couple of words thrown out, but00:11:32
everything is still the same your00:11:35
creative plans00:11:37
Yes, how did the apartment building appear, are you Jewish and00:11:41
well, in general, everything is fine, we’ll try00:11:44
something newer now because00:11:47
more interesting maybe even more unexpected after00:11:49
all Now the time is so changeable00:11:52
You would say that the world for you will no longer00:11:56
be the same Yes no the world changes00:11:58
naturally you change the world changes00:12:00
obediently even in the simplest example back00:12:03
there 20 years ago we had00:12:07
rotary phones now you and00:12:12
communication gadgets with everyone else call by00:12:15
phone This is already considered bad form, you00:12:17
need to write to a person first00:12:20
call him without warning00:12:28
Make a call00:12:31
What do you think about the fact that00:12:33
artificial intelligence has already learned00:12:35
to generate music, there are00:12:37
whole albums that are generated by a00:12:39
neural network, you understand in principle this00:12:42
idea has been in the air for a long time. I remember.00:12:44
Probably 5 or 6 years ago,00:12:47
some platforms appeared, as if made for00:12:50
musicians who, on request, wrote00:12:54
poems and words for you and made some kind of music00:12:58
based on what this00:13:02
platform knows. That is, they threw00:13:04
some kind of stuff on there -that information Well, that is, a variant00:13:06
of this, you know, plagiarism Light00:13:11
turns out to be00:13:12
artificial intelligence as an assistant, and00:13:15
now everyone is Worried that it will replace00:13:18
creative professions, it always seemed that00:13:20
robots would work in factories and00:13:22
replace00:13:24
taxi drivers, couriers, etc., but no,00:13:28
somehow they broke into the creative environment00:13:31
and now there’s a whole album, I’ll repeat the00:13:33
covers again, even the cover of our program00:13:36
was generated entirely by a neural network and the00:13:38
music and the whole picture and everything, but you00:13:41
understand, in principle, while there are people00:13:43
who come up with all this. They00:13:45
came up with these neural networks, then I hope that00:13:48
at some point They they look like a switch00:13:52
and yes Basically, this is such a Feni of the younger00:13:55
generation of the younger generation who00:13:58
really don’t know how and don’t want to work and00:14:03
thanks to these, let’s say neural networks and00:14:06
intelligence, they are trying to make a00:14:09
statement about themselves;00:14:17
Mercedes threw in such a phrase00:14:20
that when developing an autopilot for00:14:24
our cars, we will sew up00:14:27
the scheme of its operation in such a way that00:14:30
if it has to make a decision00:14:36
to Save people inside00:14:39
or Save people outside, let’s say00:14:42
you are in a cliff or in a crowd of people, then00:14:45
Autopilot will make a decision to00:14:47
To save people inside the car even if00:14:49
this will lead to the death of those outside. That00:14:52
is, he will not direct people into a tree, into a pole or00:14:54
into a cliff, he will direct people if there are00:14:56
no other options. A very big00:14:58
scandal arose and a00:15:01
public discussion began around this.00:15:03
Because how can he say that, here he is00:15:05
now it will put pressure on people, but on the other00:15:06
hand, those who buy a Mercedes and00:15:09
put their family and children there will remember00:15:12
this,00:15:14
you know that this is a double-edged sword, these are00:15:18
ethical issues and that’s why I think that there00:15:21
probably won’t be such a cool solution,00:15:25
or if they didn’t, I think that they will find00:15:29
something in the middle That is, he will press00:15:31
lightly and lightly Save people00:15:35
because because such drastic00:15:37
changes but the machines will go crazy and go to00:15:41
crush the people, we will hope this will not00:15:43
happen that00:15:46
you are standing somewhere like a joke thanks to a short00:15:49
circuit The smart home turns into00:15:51
[ __ ] Yes, that’s why Let’s hope that there00:15:54
will be a short circuit00:15:56
artificial intelligence will00:15:59
shut down for a while00:16:03
You’ve always been a musician And now you’ve00:16:07
unexpectedly become a leading TV presenter on00:16:09
federal air Tell us, first of all, about00:16:11
your projects, what projects are you preparing, if00:16:12
they are being prepared besides apartment dwellers00:16:17
There is another one I won’t voice the idea for now so00:16:20
as not to rush God somehow00:16:23
you understand and the apartment dwellers but the apartment dwellers,00:16:26
well, first of all, I think it’s an educational00:16:30
program, it’s always interesting to see the00:16:33
musicians inside more than00:16:36
once dressed up like a Christmas tree.00:16:40
But it’s just such a morning musician00:16:43
who tore00:16:44
his eyes out something - then he clicked the boom and wrote a song,00:16:48
wrote some lines, grabbed the00:16:53
guitar lying next to the bed, banged two00:16:56
chords there and immediately showed the song either to his wife00:17:00
or to the one who was nearby, I00:17:03
wanted just00:17:06
such a program that would show how it00:17:09
all is born because the00:17:11
artist is on at a distance But how are you00:17:14
from me good entry00:17:18
add-on sand but here I perform already00:17:21
you know how An old fart and a connoisseur of00:17:24
art is quite conservative I do00:17:28
n’t know modern00:17:31
youth music very well because after all,00:17:33
my head is tailored00:17:35
to a certain style and Sashka ST00:17:41
brings me and shows the heroes of the00:17:44
Internet, that is, again00:17:47
returning to the same Internet with the00:17:49
same 15 minutes of Fame because there are00:17:53
some heroes on the Internet00:17:55
who recorded one track there. They00:17:58
now think not in records but in00:18:00
Simba tracks, they release one there single and00:18:03
becomes brutally popular With what a00:18:06
wild number of views and now Sashka00:18:09
doesn’t cite and show that there are00:18:11
such people on Earth, I’m interested,00:18:13
of course, to communicate with them, even though they00:18:16
already speak a completely different language,00:18:18
if you hadn’t gone to register, you would have followed your00:18:21
own I don’t know the people behind the work of these00:18:24
artists, but since I00:18:27
still sometimes read the press on the Internet,00:18:30
Naturally I don’t00:18:32
ignore some music sites where00:18:35
they show new releases from some00:18:37
Shaitan who suddenly00:18:40
appeared unexpectedly and everyone writes in from him, but also I00:18:43
mean young people, well, how was it with00:18:46
the morning star and other things, I’m00:18:48
interested in listening to either it00:18:50
touches me in some way very rarely00:18:53
or it doesn’t touch me. I’ll00:18:55
never go back to this again. But let’s say young00:18:58
performers have a human face, I somehow00:19:02
find them right away. Look at them Do00:19:04
you think that00:19:06
young people can [ __ ] up the music? They00:19:09
always say that before the music00:19:11
was good, but now it’s generally not clear00:19:13
that00:19:15
all this lies and [ __ ] was also in bulk. It’s00:19:18
just that everyone speaks from the height of their00:19:21
age about the music that you listened to,00:19:24
our parents couldn’t stand it,00:19:29
only technology changes. Well and00:19:32
technology may allow completely new people to get into00:19:36
this musical creativity,00:19:38
that is, any housewife. What did00:19:43
you mean, I meant that00:19:45
look, you say, there are sites00:19:47
that allow you to00:19:49
appear a long time ago, they help00:19:52
artists. Maybe you have questions there, and00:19:54
so on, now it’s possible a modern00:19:57
musician will be an industrial engineer who00:19:59
correctly asks a request to a neural network, it00:20:02
generates a sample or ready-made tracks for him,00:20:04
and then he sits on the computer,00:20:06
cleans it up, maybe even sings a song in00:20:08
his own voice. That is, he just sits and00:20:10
came up with the text and can also00:20:12
write the text. And then he passes it off as00:20:15
his own creativity and it turns out that00:20:17
people without a musical education and without the00:20:20
right background fall into this00:20:23
area of conditionally show business, maybe00:20:27
soon there will be fake technologies and videos00:20:29
generated And you just sit there, just press the00:20:31
publish button and say00:20:34
that you are the artist, here I am about this you00:20:36
understand that it can be, but at00:20:39
some point I think that it will get boring00:20:42
because, again, in this case00:20:45
creativity is lost. You, if00:20:48
you order something for yourself, there is00:20:50
some kind of definite form of what00:20:54
you want to hear I want the song to00:20:56
be similar, let’s say, to Deep Purple,00:21:00
I take such classic examples, she00:21:03
came up with a song in the spirit of Deep Purple, she00:21:07
came up with the lyrics, the perfume of Deep Purple, she00:21:10
made your voice look like Nagilana,00:21:13
but it’s like it was already done with other00:21:16
sounds, someone else did something there then that was00:21:19
all already it was uninteresting myself I00:21:22
always get a kick out of coming up with something so it does00:21:25
n’t look like you know when I’m sitting there he’ll come up with00:21:29
something he took a couple of00:21:30
chords started to add to it00:21:32
come up with it then to me it looks like00:21:36
some kind of artist there, [ __ ] it let me00:21:38
I’ll do it differently, you start to think, you00:21:40
start to work, you start to get00:21:43
creative. It’s much more interesting00:21:45
than ordering this dish from a restaurant,00:21:49
this dish, this dish, that is, it’s00:21:51
more pleasant to cook it yourself, of course,00:21:53
naturally, and that’s why there are such00:21:56
countless rappers who00:21:58
carry the same message. [ __ ], God forgive me,00:22:01
and he does it all on the track of artists00:22:04
who were there before, but look, they’re00:22:07
charging you for the artists you00:22:09
invite both to register and to the apartment building, and that’s00:22:13
why you’re doing it. And these are young people,00:22:17
some rappers, etc. Why are you00:22:19
doing this, but in the first place? I do the first ones Because00:22:22
I’m interested00:22:24
I’m interested in showing an artist if I’m00:22:28
interested That is, if there’s00:22:30
something to talk about and really what he00:22:34
does touches me somehow And they00:22:35
definitely show me I can’t00:22:37
say that I have perfect musical00:22:39
taste, but I have taste so far00:22:42
the arrival was not bad, the dough is arriving because My00:22:45
generation doesn’t accept new artists,00:22:47
new artists don’t accept The new00:22:50
generation of [ __ ] don’t accept either this00:22:52
or that, just the main thing is don’t listen to00:22:54
write that I’m a ferret, a fool, a bastard, a00:22:57
brute Well, of course, he sold it, but00:23:00
condemning for whom it came most of all00:23:01
Yes, for almost everyone. That is, while the00:23:05
shamans are in first place for me, the singer Valeria00:23:08
Vaenga, in my opinion, was, that is, a judgment, let’s00:23:12
say. Our average person always has00:23:15
one song that sounds either on the radio00:23:17
or on TV, and thanks to this song00:23:20
that forced everyone’s teeth on their00:23:23
appearance artists That is, you turned on and heard00:23:25
Vaenga there and00:23:28
called the Shaman all this. Listen to the Shaman, I00:23:32
called the Shaman for the first time in 1918,00:23:34
in general, he is a very good artist, he is a very00:23:37
good musician with an excellent00:23:39
education. Great singing, brutal00:23:42
energy. Well, look, they’re00:23:44
charging him mainly not for his00:23:47
hair; they’re charging him for his talent to him for the fact that00:23:49
he supposedly became popular thanks to00:23:51
the market situation, he realized in time that he got into the00:23:54
flow and took off on this topic, or00:23:58
as if someone was promoting it00:23:59
specifically for this, in general, not for00:24:01
direct creativity. What do you00:24:04
think about this, you know what the songs are were00:24:06
written much earlier than00:24:09
certain events happened, that00:24:12
they hit, that they shot Well,00:24:15
naturally, the right place and the right time00:24:17
You are correct, but at the beginning you also00:24:20
said that00:24:21
artists should not get involved in politics. Well, that00:24:24
is, an artist is an artist who is00:24:25
involved in politics, but at the same time00:24:28
it turns out that it’s as if he’s just00:24:31
involved in politics. He’s just talking to the00:24:33
audience through songs through creativity. It00:24:40
seems to me that the audience00:24:42
wants to hear what they want to hear,00:24:45
and he,00:24:49
but I think he’s a hostage to his unexpected00:24:52
image and of course if you’ve already00:24:56
been featured. That’s what this story is all about00:24:59
Naturally, as a media person, they00:25:03
will contact you and listen to you.00:25:09
Valeria,00:25:10
honestly, she sings jazz very dashingly, few people really00:25:15
know about it. She’s great, she’s00:25:18
interesting as a singer, she has a very00:25:21
good voice and very good taste,00:25:24
so I called to show00:25:26
people again that she can sing jazz, that is,00:25:30
reveal all the facets that she has and00:25:33
which Well, the common people on the stage00:25:36
don’t know that she very easily goes into00:25:38
all sorts of collaborations with various00:25:41
wild artists with the same ones with00:25:44
hatters Come back to yourself again, I00:25:47
love all kinds of collaborations00:25:49
But if again, I get a kick out of it00:25:53
if it’s not some kind of complete [ __ ] Well, the00:25:56
Mytishchi on Fire band gets a kick out of you, you00:25:59
know I liked them, I00:26:01
liked their00:26:03
kind of wild naivety, they reminded00:26:06
us of us when we were young when we played hard rock00:26:10
like that the seventies, you know, it’s not the00:26:13
House of the Rising Sun, but it’s00:26:15
hard rock, a00:26:17
cool team. Okay, backwards. Then the question00:26:20
is straight, say it’s complete [ __ ] for you,00:26:22
here you understand00:26:26
this concept. It’s not easy, it must00:26:29
be00:26:30
[ __ ], and everything is crap, it’s simply impossible;00:26:35
bad singing, bad lyrics, bad music.00:26:38
Well, that is, right now it seems that the00:26:41
more cringe the00:26:44
artists pile on, the more00:26:46
popular and cool they become And so everyone watches them00:26:48
So There is such an expression that it’s so bad that it’s00:26:51
even good00:26:53
I’m still a bit of a musician and I’m into00:26:57
any kind of music which doesn’t end up I’m00:26:59
always still like a rooster who00:27:03
spoke badly like a hen who is00:27:08
still looking in a pile of [ __ ] Yes, I’ll peck I was00:27:11
sitting here on the jury for the procession00:27:15
I was asked for applications there were something more than00:27:18
3,000 collective I honestly listened00:27:22
somewhere probably 20000:27:26
more I couldn’t because 99 and 900:27:30
percent are Well,00:27:31
complete [ __ ] where everything is bad where everything is bad00:27:36
Everything is so bad that it’s even bad at00:27:37
all yes but she’s a couple of artists a couple of00:27:42
artists I found it and was even amazed00:27:44
because all the people who00:27:47
send their recordings are sure in its00:27:50
exclusivity, it is exclusively divided00:27:52
into three categories, which means four00:27:55
girlish sad songs,00:27:57
then hard music like metal Trash and00:28:02
so on. Well, naturally rap, and the fourth00:28:06
- you know this in my00:28:12
Time Machine Sunday Chaif With very00:28:16
bad music with very bad lyrics00:28:20
howls But here in in the spirit of the seventies,00:28:26
it seems like he didn’t crap on anyone But people00:28:29
will look later somewhere The invasion00:28:31
will understand someone was singled out and the rest00:28:33
will understand that they didn’t pass, the00:28:37
chicken didn’t peck Do you think it’s00:28:41
possible not to crap the country at least in a00:28:44
musical sense now00:28:46
Yes, God knows, everything again depends on00:28:49
regions where these young people are located00:28:51
because they will say in the center of Moscow people00:28:54
listen to one type of music in residential areas,00:28:57
God knows, everything depends00:28:59
again on taste and, oddly enough, on00:29:03
education because in some families00:29:05
where, say, wealth is higher, one music00:29:08
or another here God knows Well, okay00:29:12
then, let me ask a direct question, I don’t00:29:15
know how acute or painful it is for you,00:29:16
but I can’t help but ask, do you00:29:19
maintain relations with Andrei00:29:21
Makarevich, of course,00:29:22
but you know, they00:29:24
support us, we even share something in00:29:27
correspondence, naturally, because he00:29:29
lives in another country and so still, he’s00:29:32
offended at me for the fact that I got out of the00:29:34
time machine in the twelfth year, so I00:29:37
took up what I’m doing, but00:29:41
no, let’s00:29:43
listen. We’re friends 7400:29:46
Well, good00:29:49
with the comb, but we also communicate with the comb, we also00:29:53
write off before, we talked every00:29:57
summer with us I have a common girlfriend in Spain.00:30:00
We came to Spain and Borka00:30:03
always came up with new songs in this girlfriend gazebo.00:30:12
It was the month of June and every June we00:30:16
met for several years. He showed me something00:30:17
new. I showed him something new. And00:30:20
so I’ve been talking to him for probably years00:30:24
76 we don’t touch on those topics that00:30:29
shouldn’t be touched on because well, that is,00:30:31
look, you’re saying it correctly, I00:30:34
actually wanted to ask this. After all, they00:30:36
clearly state their political00:30:37
position, this fact generally makes some00:30:41
adjustments to your friendship relationship. You00:30:45
know, we a long time ago we began to say buoys00:30:49
for which we would not swim, that is,00:30:51
many years ago00:30:54
we agreed that we do not talk about what we do not00:30:59
understand. I understand Zhen,00:31:01
look, it turns out that you are00:31:04
loved here too and there is at least someone there who loves you00:31:06
hates a00:31:08
whole pool of comments there00:31:11
Listen, I really took up the00:31:15
issue, looked at what kind of [ __ ] he00:31:17
sends you But these are still people in00:31:19
the comments, they seem to be created to00:31:21
write [ __ ], you know00:31:23
that I communicate with those people whom I00:31:27
love and who I like and there they are00:31:31
here and there regarding, let’s say, the negative, but00:31:35
it was always there, but in this regard, my00:31:37
favorite old joke is Rabinovich, we00:31:40
heard rumors that he speaks badly of the00:31:43
Soviet government, who am I, bad government?00:31:47
[ __ ] it, I need it.00:31:48
Let’s by the way, let’s ask our friend to00:31:54
ask Andrei Makarevich00:31:56
in absentia let's talk to Andrey and Makar, my00:31:59
friend,00:32:02
please tell me00:32:04
what question would Andrey Makarevich ask Evgeny Margulis,00:32:12
thoughtful, my friend, no [ __ ] connection,00:32:16
it's possible that my Karevich could ask00:32:19
Margulis questions about political and00:32:22
social aspects related to his00:32:25
work, such as Freedom of speech and00:32:27
expression, social problems, stereotypes00:32:30
and prejudices00:32:33
Looks like00:32:36
this reminded me of an old joke Another00:32:39
one Once00:32:43
Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin00:32:46
dreamed of the periodic table at night00:32:49
Woke up in the morning didn’t understand anything00:32:54
to say00:32:58
Probably she meant that if00:33:02
you have some social aspects in your00:33:03
work00:33:05
I don’t think this topic is what -00:33:08
new songs are born, something I write is something like00:33:11
this, but it’s not social, probably just00:33:16
about my beloved attitude00:33:19
towards something, that is, some kind of problem00:33:23
or some kind of action, but so that00:33:28
back and forth and this never happens, I’m00:33:32
quite positive but something touches me00:33:37
that free speech is an important Aspect of a00:33:40
musician00:33:42
Freedom of speech who is stopping you from writing about00:33:46
what worries you everyone did this I remember00:33:49
again, you know, going back to the fact that00:33:52
when Soviet power ended everyone00:33:54
began to write such political songs00:33:58
political slogans That’s the complete [ __ ]00:34:01
Everything is the same Well, like the films00:34:03
of perestroika, our films that00:34:06
showed only black stuff and not a single00:34:08
bright moment Although there were bright moments00:34:11
Listen, don’t you have the feeling that now00:34:14
it’s almost impossible to write00:34:17
some kind of song on a social topic If you get imprisoned00:34:19
for a post or repost or like then that’s it00:34:24
for the song, I definitely haven’t come across00:34:26
songs like this where everything is [ __ ],00:34:28
everything is [ __ ], everything is bad, everything is all corrupt,00:34:32
I haven’t heard anything like that, that00:34:34
is, some social moments Yes,00:34:37
they exist, they have always been, they have00:34:40
always been, again, first of all,00:34:42
this is written from the first persons That is, this00:34:46
is written about a person who stands either00:34:49
in one civil position or in00:34:51
another, but I honestly can’t say anything like this in a00:34:53
very balanced way, he00:34:56
could also be a diplomat Look, did you00:34:59
screw me or not? Now I want to00:35:03
uh smoothly move on to after all, the negative00:35:07
that I collected Well, positive, I already realized00:35:10
that you are friends there and are friends there. But I00:35:13
spent some effort and collected the [ __ ]00:35:16
that they send you endlessly, they have00:35:18
collected lists of me here.00:35:20
Look, choose something there, straight from the00:35:24
list, it feels like going00:35:27
what did you write, no, in my opinion, Evgeniy00:35:31
Shilinch is a little sleazy,00:35:34
stuffy from the Jewish godfather, old00:35:37
business godfather, either gays or Jews, as a musician he is00:35:41
undoubtedly good, but I invite you to my00:35:43
apartment with Valery, he just sinks00:35:45
below the plinth. With all this, they divide the00:35:48
musicians into very not very disgraceful.00:35:55
NTV bent you over, you yourself happily00:35:58
surrendered00:36:00
disappointed,00:36:01
once upon a time they came and Shevchuk sang now00:36:05
all sorts of rabble Margulis sold his soul00:36:08
to the devil00:36:10
that he turned the program through the Basques00:36:13
invite you in general, you know it’s amazingly00:36:15
surprising that Phyllis Baskov still has a00:36:18
third character, this is Buzova, that is, the very00:36:21
Bottom is when on the program00:36:24
Filya Baskov will appear and Buzova can be invited00:36:27
for the sake of kitsch and do some kind of00:36:31
You know, what a funny program. They00:36:34
really know how to sing and sing well, that00:36:37
is, change their program from, say,00:36:40
what they sing to something more00:36:42
human, light up, endure there song00:36:45
Chaif group from the 1980s, but00:36:49
thanks for the advice So,00:36:51
in my old age, I crap myself00:36:55
You were one of the two people I00:36:58
started playing the00:37:00
bass for now that’s all for everyone The trace of when00:37:04
people turned into those00:37:07
and there’s something else good00:37:10
Something else good I’ve already read the whole list,00:37:11
I looked at it, it’s all usual00:37:14
and00:37:15
I want to tell you when I was still reading these00:37:19
comments, we started publishing00:37:22
7.5 years ago, I was always terribly worried,00:37:25
like you’re doing some good00:37:28
work, showing good music, and00:37:30
what comes to you there - the ferret00:37:33
was sold cheap and so on and so forth and I realized at00:37:36
some point that these are 10% of the first00:37:39
comments These are from people who do00:37:42
n’t watch the program They don’t like00:37:45
some artist and don’t give a damn what00:37:47
will happen there They don’t listen to anything00:37:49
they understand and throw [ __ ] at00:37:51
the fans and then it means either those who00:37:54
write further support this00:37:57
story of [ __ ] flying around or00:37:59
start there e Larisa with each other Yes, the00:38:02
ferret himself is cheap [ __ ] and so on and00:38:04
so forth they were great not to00:38:07
come to these comments00:38:10
I sometimes I don’t do this, but it00:38:14
means commenting. That is, entering into comments00:38:17
means making excuses. No, they00:38:20
also talk about throwing it out as they throw00:38:23
it in. Absolutely00:38:25
uninteresting and even under other names there00:38:29
was no such desire Well, [ __ ] them, let’s00:38:30
listen to them. The dog barks, the caravan is moving, it’s00:38:34
true, but they You can also destroy this way,00:38:37
uh, and show00:38:40
Yes, for example, self-irony goes very well; self-00:38:42
irony, let’s listen, I’m00:38:45
quite an ironic person, so I’m00:38:48
so not interested in all this, like00:38:50
Chanel. What do you think about people who00:38:52
think badly of you? They speak; I do00:38:54
n’t think about them at all, that’s why I don’t give a damn00:38:57
what it says there. Well00:38:59
then, here’s a completely unexpected question. You’ve00:39:03
lived with your wife for 40 years, and you’re a00:39:05
touring artist and so on. Tell me00:39:07
what the secret is. What am I? In this regard,00:39:10
you know, I’m monogamous like a whale, I got married00:39:13
once And that’s what I want enough And even more so, I00:39:16
can give an example of these kind of00:39:18
monogamous people who have been living for many years with00:39:22
their other half there Seryozha is00:39:24
naked Garik Sukachev Vovka Shakhrin that is,00:39:29
somehow, well, probably we are getting out00:39:31
of the family, probably from you, your wife for00:39:35
whatever reason, well, yes Again, only the wife knows the00:39:40
genius of the [ __ ] doesn’t wash the dishes well and how he does00:39:44
n’t like to take out the trash of course scold of00:39:46
course of course some kind of hassles And this00:39:49
happens but this But this is life somehow00:39:51
affects your creativity no on00:39:53
creativity probably not But I write all the00:39:56
songs00:39:57
dedicated about love, of course dedicated to00:40:01
my wife because I have an image00:40:03
Although all these songs are quite00:40:08
peculiar, how half the people00:40:11
cannot understand how Anka00:40:14
puts up with you for these girlish songs there for these00:40:17
dedications he just has a good sense of00:40:20
humor, basically like me My00:40:23
wife is a family psychologist by profession. Oh, that’s why I’m00:40:26
very interested in what00:40:29
you’re going to use for, why she scolded you00:40:32
so seriously, were there any quarrels?00:40:35
No, of course, everything happens, but fill mine00:40:39
because my head is built00:40:42
that way if I don’t feel like it00:40:44
do nothing I what to do I won’t I always00:40:47
get a buzz there you know from the phrase From00:40:50
some musical sound you know in00:40:53
order to write something I have to00:40:55
click something I don’t have something that I00:40:57
woke up in the morning I have a00:40:58
meeting with the00:41:01
Slovushkins today I have to sit down and come up with00:41:04
either some kind of obscene poem or there is00:41:06
n’t one, I can’t bring myself to00:41:09
get up in the morning and write a song. I need to write something.00:41:12
Well, sometimes it doesn’t work for00:41:14
several days, of course, my good thing00:41:17
says00:41:18
What the hell, come up with something00:41:21
idea, if there are ideas, but I00:41:24
need to talk to God, put00:41:26
other stuff there, well, mostly, of course, for00:41:29
laziness. Well, things are being thrown around00:41:32
for your musical creativity.00:41:34
Let’s return, or rather, you as a musician are closer00:41:38
in certain places Yes, in which there are00:41:43
young people, well, who are now plays the blues,00:41:46
of course there is, but basically you00:41:49
understand a wider audience, let’s say00:41:52
I have a chizha at Lyosha Romanov’s, but most00:41:57
likely this is not a pure dish elements of the blues,00:42:00
mostly it’s Club Blues Blues is00:42:03
covers and young musicians Great00:42:06
playing on all these cameras that I’m in00:42:09
basically I can’t hear it anymore because00:42:10
you come to some bluesy club00:42:13
if it starts there yes yes yes everything you00:42:16
can leave I don’t like this tradition00:42:21
because it’s played I love what is00:42:24
called modern plus well00:42:26
you have some kind of favorite00:42:27
executive any here Evgeniy00:42:30
Morgulis who would he recommend or who00:42:33
he listens to You know who she is firstly00:42:35
Chizh It’s clear Sunday It’s clear plus a00:42:39
good doctor very good bags00:42:41
will become a guitarist blues then there are00:42:44
good girls Ksenia Fedulova not only is00:42:47
she blonde, she’s also Left-handed00:42:50
Yes this adds some Yes Kat00:42:54
Samkova no oh very good very00:42:56
good but they play covers uh I haven’t00:43:00
heard their original songs I love by00:43:02
authorship to understand In general how a00:43:04
musician can think well Well, there are Western ones,00:43:08
maybe Western bulks Yes, a00:43:12
couple or three, but a couple three is my00:43:14
favorite with whom00:43:16
amazing absolutely very good00:43:20
David Ryan Harris but that's probably00:43:23
not a plus either John Mayer Johnny Lang No well00:43:27
there's a lot of it and Let's ask M maybe00:43:30
a friend what would he ask a question friend00:43:33
what would you ask a question to a00:43:35
famous blues performer00:43:40
if I had the opportunity to ask00:43:43
only one question to Evgeniy Margulis, then00:43:46
I would probably ask him about how00:43:50
he sees the role of music in people’s lives, what00:43:53
he thinks, can his music influence the00:43:56
mood and emotions of people? a00:43:59
wonderful story, you know the00:44:01
simple answer, I have a song that00:44:03
called When you leave the uncle's letter00:44:07
sang a song to his wife someday you will leave00:44:11
Thank you very much immediately divorced00:44:16
influences Well, since we know about00:44:19
artificial intelligence neural networks,00:44:21
this is all that scares you and me the00:44:22
second preparation besides the evil tweets00:44:25
I asked, asked for such a neural network00:44:28
Journey she draws pictures based on a00:44:30
verbal request, I asked her to00:44:32
draw Evgeniy Margulis in different00:44:35
styles,00:44:37
look and in general Rate what you think about this00:44:41
whole thing, look through there, but this is00:44:44
such a00:44:46
rock star Evgeniy Morgulis composer, by00:44:49
the way, I wonder if you can guess who where00:44:53
you know what this is00:44:56
there's most likely some kind of Troll from the00:44:59
Lord of the Rings,00:45:04
this is something you know, it's not a docker00:45:09
Show me, but you know some, but they're all00:45:14
pretty shabby Do I really look like that00:45:16
No, you look very fresh,00:45:19
especially for a 70-year-old rocker I'm 67,00:45:23
rounded up a little more ok,00:45:30
no, flower, I have00:45:45
not yet fully recognized my subtle00:45:49
nature,00:45:50
we have trained it. Of course, we will00:46:10
work hard; we are not being replaced by machines yet; the00:46:14
last question is what you should never be00:46:18
afraid of00:46:21
[music]00:46:23
here you have put me in a dead end.00:46:27
You understand that no matter what I say,00:46:29
there will be some kind of duty,00:46:35
nothing,00:46:37
nothing is ever worth being afraid of00:46:42
Evgeniy Margulis friends we00:46:45
had Zhenya as a guest, thank you Zhora Thank you00:46:48
dog, friend, friend Tell me00:46:53
some more [ __ ] before goodbye00:46:55
Goodbye bright 325 Neptune's Moon I hope you're00:46:59
hot enough not to freeze00:47:06
Well what -he asked for [ __ ] what question00:47:12
the picture00:47:14
is drawn a00:47:16
picture of an artist named Prince and00:47:20
it is written Don’t believe the internet00:47:23
group Metallica Thank you all00:47:30
[music]00:47:45
means Look what an idea we can make a00:47:48
clip with00:47:50
artificial intelligence, that is, the00:47:52
pictures that you and I generated00:47:53
like this is a T-shirt there like in general you and I00:47:59
only did a whole clip in an interview now, so let's00:48:02
try it because I'm interested in it, I00:48:04
remember how00:48:05
the picture that Margouli ordered00:48:08
was being bought up by the sounds of music, he painted me, in00:48:11
my opinion, as some kind of troll sitting in the00:48:13
bathroom Let's00:48:17
see Well, at least before00:48:20
posting it for sure I need to see00:48:23
my city You are not alone00:48:25
I will stay with you00:48:30
I am a simple Harlequin00:48:33
and this is not the first time for me00:48:39
[music]00:48:42
songs00:48:45
Hello my Moscow00:48:48
I have been in love with you for many years00:48:52
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Музыка влекла его всегда. Увлекаясь «Битлз», он пел в дворовых командах: правда, песни были блатными. Вполне возможно, что «биттлы» были бы восхищены его исполнительским мастерством. После средней школы наш герой закончил техникум и два училища: музыкальное и медицинское. Музыка или медицина? Родители были уверены, что в семье появится собственный врач, но просчитались: из мединститута сын ушел, выбрав карьеру музыканта. И слава Богу! Представить нашу музыкальную жизнь без него просто невозможно. Певец, бас-гитарист, автор песен, телеведущий и заслуженный артист Российской Федерации. Участник культовых групп «Машина времени», «Воскресение» и «Аракс». Друзья зовут его Гуля. И в этом нет пренебрежения или панибратства. В этом – только искренняя любовь. Бессменный ведущий программ «Квартирник у Маргулиса» на «НТВ» и «Вписка у Маргулиса» на «VK Видео» Евгений Маргулис сегодня – собеседник Георгия Лобушкина. 0:00 Начнем 2:58 Маргулис: изумруд или жемчуг? 3:20 О чем не хочется говорить 4:10 На чем погорел музыкальный люд 5:23 Почитываю Лобушкина 6:20 Почему я не уехал 9:48 Мы были косматыми и не ходили строем 10:35 Притча о Ходже Насреддине 11:25 Почему не люблю интервью 12:40 ИИ и музыка 13:59 Молодые толком не умеют работать 15:49 Короткое замыкание 16:04 О чем нужно говорить 16:27 «Квартирник»: музыканты изнутри 23:37 У Шамана звериная энергетика 25:13 Валерия и джаз 26:40 Что для меня говно 27:53 О «Нашествии» 29:12 Макаревич на меня обижен 29:48 О Гребенщикове 31:00 Любимый старый анекдот 31:48 ИИ предполагает, что мог бы спросить Макаревич 33:00 Когда закончилась Советская власть, все кинулись писать политические песни 34:59 Злые комменты 39:00 У моей жены хорошее чувство юмора 44:18 Картинки от Миджорни 47:30 О премьере клипа на песню «Москва»
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