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[music]
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hello today is rush hour for a
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writer of simple shiva and an
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agent of the KGB and a philosopher and
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dissidents and rules himself today is rush hour
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for Alexander Alexandrovich Zinoviev
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good evening Alexander Zinoviev was born
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in 1922, the son of a peasant woman and a worker in the
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thirty-ninth graduated from high school in
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Moscow in the years war, an attack pilot
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graduated with honors from the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University in 1951,
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defended an innovative dissertation on
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Marxism in 1976, published the
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first book in the West,
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Yawning Heights, and was expelled from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union;
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citizenship
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in the West and for more than 35 of his books,
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including communism as a reality,
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awarded prestigious Alexis de
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the Queen awards and now lives in Germany,
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married, has a daughter, Tamara Pauline, and a
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five-year-old by nature, a
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researcher, free time, cooking,
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my dishes, digging in the garden, reading
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Russian classics
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by Alexandra himself yesterday at the former VDNKh an
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international book fair opened
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and at this book fair
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your two most recent books were presented, this is a
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Russian experiment and the West can buy them there,
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and it seemed very
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good to me, I signed a lot of books today,
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you’re just signing up for you they find out they
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ask you questions that ask you a
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variety of questions you know I still haven’t had such
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contact with readers in Russia
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very interesting my old fans came up to me
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from the time of the shining
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heights people who collect my
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books and not all books and follow with my
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speeches, your book is the West, it’s the
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latest, it was published in
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Russian here for the first time, by the way, in Russia, your
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book was published earlier than in the West, it was
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published first here in the
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West and they refused to publish it, or you
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changed priorities and decided no, you
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know, it’s already been translated into French,
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translate into other languages,
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but I wanted it to be published in
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Russia first, in general, now I want to publish all my new
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books in Russia first in
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Russian, but have you really become an
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inconvenient writer in the West, as you
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yourself write about it because the West does
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n’t like it your
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kind of concept which, as you write in the
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preface, having defeated communism in
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the east, the west itself rushed in the same
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direction, this is too inconvenient, I
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mentally in the west see what the matter is, I have always
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been inconvenient in
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communist Russia and I am, as it
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seems to me, inconvenient in
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post-communist Russia and was inconvenient in
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in the West from the very beginning, as
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Western newspapers wrote several years
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after my exile in Russia,
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Zinoviev slipped through by mistake, at
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first they took me for a dissident
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and they thought that I would go the same way as
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other critics of
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Soviet society took, at first we were
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comfortable, we became new the data can’t be
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made out immediately became inconvenient, you write
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why you became inconvenient, the whole point is
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that I never adapted to the
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needs of the politics of ideological propaganda,
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I have my own concept, my own view and I did
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not deviate a single step from what I considered to be
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true, I lost a lot on this Of course,
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in Russia I lost everything because of this and
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I lost a lot because of this in the West, but
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I won in that, following my
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own path, I was able to develop not only the
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first scientific theories of communism, but
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also the first to create a scientific theory of
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modern Western society that is, it’s
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as if you didn’t adapt to me
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here and didn’t strive for this
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if in this regard one quote from your
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latest book please billions of
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people learn and know how to live in their
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society, but the ability to live in society and
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the ability to understand it
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are to some extent
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mutually exclusive virtuosos in their ability
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to live in society careerists
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entrepreneurs dodgers swindlers
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are usually complete idiots in understanding
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it and those who understand their society
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are usually poorly adapted to
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practical life and he Alexander
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Zinoviev book West 95
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[music]
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you live in the West still say that
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for you this is
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decades of mental pain, you write that there are a
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lot of people who drink but there is no one to drink with in
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Germany, it’s there in that same Germany
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where there are 5 million alcoholics, why does this
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happen, well, you see what’s the matter until
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recently
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when I returned to Russia I was
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expelled, I was thrown out of Russia in
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general, I was betrayed by students and friends
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of colleagues, and so on, I became a stranger, I didn’t
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become one in the West, and I
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still don’t feel like I belong in Russia
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now, I think my situation is starting
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to change, well, you see, at the book
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fair they presented so many of my books,
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I meet people in general, it’s likely that
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I will probably take some
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steps to have closer
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contacts with Russia if it doesn’t return
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at all, but the Russian intellectual
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environment when it is now still
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peed, it grows
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weeds, weeds and ignorance or something- then
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it has changed
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if you come back, but you
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know the Novorossiysk intellectual environment, the intellectual traces are the
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same everywhere and in the West it is the same no
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better for me, in general, the
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intellectual environment as a whole was
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hostile and it remains hostile and
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it remains hostile and in the West I’m
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like I can’t become
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my own person in it, I won’t stand in line when,
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nevertheless, in Russia the number of people
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who understand me better
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more or less rises here much
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more, of course, than in the West,
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but Russia itself is not very accepted in
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the West and yet Russia is like if it is slowly
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moving towards the western side
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you have your own point of view on this matter,
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I can at least give one quote from your
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book please how do you Russians not
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spit on the communist period of their
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history no matter how zealous they are in
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destroying what was achieved during
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this period no matter how they crawl on their knees and
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not as a lackey stood before the West, no matter how they
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imitated everything Western and no matter how they
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adopted all the vices of the Russian city, it’s
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still not then that Alexander Zinoviev will become part of the
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West book West 95
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but if we talk about the fate of Russia, then you
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write that a mission for Russia is necessary
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as a condition for survival, either a great
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historical mission
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or non-existence, is it possible now to talk about
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some kind of mission of post-
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Soviet Russia, you know this is a very
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difficult question, I’m talking about the fate of Russia,
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I’ve written a whole book, Russian
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experiments, it’s also only now higher than
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the circulation of 5000 copies everyone knows more,
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very much so
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that
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the manuscript does not go missing,
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I consider the current situation in Russia to be tragic and tragic
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and it was destroyed by the Cold War and the West is
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making titanic efforts so that
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Russia does not rise again and will
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Russia be able to overcome this obstacle or
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child labor and it is difficult to say now but
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do you think Do you think that Russia also has
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internal reserves for the development of what kind of
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rehabilitation there are
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always internal reserves, but you
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need to take into account what
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power the
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other side has, I must say that
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now the West has a huge huge
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destructive henk, read that we
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are in a state of war with
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the West as before
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Yes, this new type of war was a cold
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war,
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according to my theory, it turned into a
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warm war, and who knows, maybe over
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time it will turn into a hot war, but what about
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being the West? Is it possible for some kind of
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spiritual cooperation with the West or does it
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make sense for us to build the
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Berlin Wall again or something like that,
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you know, I don’t give any advice, I don’t
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argue on the principle of what should be and
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what needs to be done, but as researchers I
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record what is and what will happen with
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necessity or what is possible, so in
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any case, I
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lived in the West in the West for many
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years I came to the conclusion that in the West
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they were afraid and afraid not so much of the
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military power of the Soviet Union or
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economic and so on competition, but of the
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creative potential of Russia, that is, they
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were simply afraid of the fact that Russia
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would splash out into the world with a
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huge culture and literature, music,
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painting,
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that’s of course why are they afraid of
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competition, competition, you understand, and
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in the cultural sphere, in the creative sphere,
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the competition is much more brutal
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than in the economic sphere, what do you think there,
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even in the economic sphere, if you take
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that in the West they will be wildly
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happy if huge economic enterprises appear in Russia
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that will to displace them, so to speak,
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as in culture, especially since the West
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proclaims that the
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way of life is based on competition,
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because it’s all a lie to see this is all a false
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idea of ​​the West, and in this book
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in the West I destroy these
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false ideas, the real West
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has nothing in common with those
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ideas
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which were imposed on the Russian
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Russian people in the Russian experiment,
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your hero, apparently, is
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autobiographical; your lyrical hero
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regrets that having visited Red Square
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and walked from the mausoleum, then
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Stalin’s grave is lined with a bust of which is still standing there,
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he didn’t find flowers to
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lay, you laid flowers to the grave of
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steel,
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unfortunately no, I didn’t appoint it, but I
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hope that I will do it someday, you
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understand, first of all, this is not a book of
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the bar days, autobiographical
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literary, he didn’t do literary
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works, my hero is a pity that he won’t
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do it, that he didn’t do it, to be honest
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with you I’ll tell you the book, the Russian experiment
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ends with my hero
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going to the White House
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to die for ideas that have lost
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historical meaning, this is how to drain the debt of the
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representatives of my generation, the generation of
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romantic idealistic
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communists, I myself belong to this
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generation,
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so I made attempts
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to be in Moscow at this time I myself I
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was if they let me through I swear to
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you I would prefer to
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die there on October 3-4
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no less you write that with
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communism
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with practical communism the whole version
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of the real that was here connected in the
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greatness of Russia the greatness of Russia
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ended exactly these are
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your last lines the books are just an
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experiment ended in the ninety-
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third year with the collapse of this system,
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now many are going to the polls, voters are preparing for
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them and those who will
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run for them are faced with the question of
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voting for the communists for a return
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to the system or for a new version for a new
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attempt to follow this path or not at
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of all the complexity of this question, this is a
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philosophical question, people will have to
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simply say to themselves yes or no, you
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refuse to give advice, I can’t give
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any advice, you know I, I, I
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think so, I personally have not gone to any elections,
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I have never, in 2 days, I never
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accept participation even in Stalin’s times I
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didn’t go to the polls, so I’m a researcher,
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you understand for me in general the problem is what should
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be what needs to be done
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I don’t have such a problem I know what to do I’m
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doing what I can do
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thank you and your talent is multifaceted I
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want our viewers to get acquainted with
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your paintings please
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[music]
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[music]
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[music]
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[music] which
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means it is considered prestigious among artists to
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make sketches of a figurine of various prizes,
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but rs unknown, let’s say I made a sketch
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of a figurine, it’s a matter of a Cepheid figurine, a
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journalistic prize in Russia,
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if you were asked to make such a
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figurine of Yuri sour whim for the most
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honest, noble politician,
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although we be you think that in
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this very term, honest, noble
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EU politics, I don’t know the internal contradictions,
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if you were asked, what would she
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look like, but they didn’t know, I’m not
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professional artists, amateurs, I’m a
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drawing writer, they’re not an artist, I’m
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I think that I would simply refuse to
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complete such a task, we talked about the
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mission of Russia, do you feel that you
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have some kind of version of my life or
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maybe your creams then,
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well, of course, since childhood I had a
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feeling of some kind of calling, a feeling
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that I was intended for something by
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some forces, this feeling was me,
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Nastya, it still seems to me that the person sitting has
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not completed his life’s journey, but to
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say definitely what is your right, what
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is it, I don’t know, I still don’t know, but
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you call it right,
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many are waiting any predictions
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for the future from you, but we talked about Russia,
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of course, this is the most important thing that interests us,
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but I’ll try to start and you’ll finish, but I
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heard such
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a joke, an ironic prediction at the
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global level that in a hundred years in the
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twenty-first century, Japan will be a
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world producer America will be
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the world consumer and Europe will be the world
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museum than Russia will be.
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Well, first of all, I categorically reject such a prediction. The
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future of the next
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century at least
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belongs to the West, the integrated
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West, that’s exactly what I’m doing in this
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book, I explain why the fact is that
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modern Western society which
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I repeat, has nothing to do with the
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idea of ​​it as capitalism,
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democracy is not something else,
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it appeared quite recently, it
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appeared after the Second World War in
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Russia, what place will Russia take in this,
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alas, I must say that on the one hand
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I must say that Russia It has already
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become a zone of colonization for the West,
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but at the same time, it seems to me that I
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thought so much about this topic and calculated that in
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my opinion Moscow will become, in at
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least a couple of decades, the
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largest city in the world and the pulse of history
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can be dragged. the growth of history
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can be moved here, but Moscow
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will become something like what the
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United States was in past past centuries,
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it will be the center of a new center of world
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culture in Muscovy, I realized that
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the future belongs to the West, but Moscow
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will become the center of world civilization, there are only
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mice in the sky throughout probability center
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center but not as a Russian
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national city as in the morning as
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such a global tra on a
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global scale
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but it will give and I leak that to become Russian
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to become truly Russian Russian
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you can the flesh brother of all people all
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human if you want that is, as it were
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now this applies to Moscow as a
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whole please queue of phone
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calls
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first castle question how the Daugava River
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accepts and
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rejects communism because she herself is
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correct or because it is simpler
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red and since she is a classic question
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I researched a real communist
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society really like her developed in the
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Soviet Union, I think it was it
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was a classic example, but the
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ideas are completely different ideas play a
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different role and to say that the
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ideas were implemented incorrectly is
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pointless what is not acceptable will not be accepted
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well for me the most hated trait in
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people is unreliability betrayal like the
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books shown it was betrayal that
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played a fatal role
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in the history of our country the next time does not
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appear, well, you know, I was leaking
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it depended
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on me, the principle of the preacher,
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they ask me, I answer, the
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newspaper is really interested, you write, I do
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n’t offer it to me, they ask, I
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answered, thank you very much, San Sanych,
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today was rush hour for Alexandra
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Zinoviev who answers if he
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is asked tomorrow is rush hour for Vakhtang
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Kikabidze and the program will see Sergei
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Shatunova goodbye
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[music]

Description:

Гость программы - писатель Александр Зиновьев. Книги "Русский эксперимент" и "Запад" на московской книжной ярмарке. Работа в России и на Западе. Особенности жизни на родине и за рубежом: свой среди чужих, чужой среди своих. Место России и Москвы на политической карте мира, прогноз на ближайшие десятилетия. Персоны Зиновьев А.А. -- доктор философских наук, профессор, специалист по методологии научных исследований, писатель.

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