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Hello in Kiev 7 am and then the broadcast of the
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Freedom TV channel continues to be broadcast by the presenter
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team see the news I am Vyacheslav Tsymbalyuk And let's
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start, as always, with the latest events from
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Ukraine and the world in Dnepr, a day of mourning for those
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killed due to Russian attacks, the number of
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victims in the regional center increased
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late in the evening the day before Rescuers
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The head of the regional
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military administration, Sergei Lysak, pulled out the body of the third victim from under the rubble of a high-rise building. The head of the regional military administration, Sergei Lysak,
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said that it was a man who lived in an apartment
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on the fifth floor. But his body was found
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under the rubble of a building on the third level by
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workers of the state
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emergency service who
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eliminated the consequences of Russian
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missile attacks. The president personally thanked
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Vladimir Zelensky, the day before he
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arrived at a destroyed high-rise building in the
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Dnieper, held a meeting on strengthening the
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defense capability of the region in the regional
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center, according to local authorities, in addition to
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five high-rise buildings and two private houses,
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three educational institutions were damaged, seven
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administrative and public
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store hotel one hundred there is destruction and
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in Sinelnikovo Pavlograd Nikopol the total
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number eight civilians died yesterday in the
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Dnepropetrovsk region,
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two of them were children, another 35
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people were
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injured, this year can no longer be
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the time for further discussions,
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decisions from partners are needed, this was stated by
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Vladimir Zelensky in his traditional
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video message and noted the day before
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Ukraine had a hard day Russia
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killed civilians residents of
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the attacker
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emphasized when Ukraine turns to
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partners for air defense systems that they
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have in warehouses at storage bases
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but are needed here to protect life, we
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are talking about a real
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ally to the participants of the
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Ukraine NATO council meeting from the Dnieper, the president said
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Russia Unfortunately, there was too much
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time years wars to destroy
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Ukrainians
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for everyone Everything is very specific Ukraine
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needs air defense and partners can help with this
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we need artillery and this is what the
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world has only a sufficient number of air defense
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fighters can drive away the Swarm
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solutions solutions are needed solutions are possible everyone in the
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world who really strives for peace
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should not be afraid to show our strength
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to protect life, I thank everyone who is
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now with Ukraine with our people with
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our
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protection, and as a response to this, NATO countries
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will supply Ukraine with more air defense systems,
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this was stated the day before by the
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Secretary General of the Alliance, Stoltenberg, speaking
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at a press conference following a meeting of the
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Ukraine NATO Council he further noted that
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NATO has identified the available resources throughout the
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territory of the Alliance, there are systems that are
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available to Ukraine, so I expect a
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new announcement on assistance to Ukraine with air defense
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in the near future.
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precision strikes during the meeting,
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some allies made
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specific commitments, but each
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NATO country will decide for itself what to provide
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to Ukraine, I welcome Germany’s efforts,
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including the recent decision to supply
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Ukraine with an additional Patriot system,
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in addition to the Patriots, the allies can
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provide other weapons, including
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complexes with and many allies who
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do not have systems available have pledged
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financial support to
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acquire them for Ukraine We are also
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working with industry to
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increase production to
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modernize the systems and make them
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usable
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in Slovakia raised almost 2 million euros for
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shells for Ukraine fundraising company
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ammunition for Ukraine arose
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after the government of Robert Fitz
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refused to participate in the Czech
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initiative to purchase hundreds of thousands of
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artillery ammunition outside the
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European Union, donations have already been made by
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more than 30,000 donors and to date
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have raised
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1,940,000 euros activists claim the collection
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will be open-ended and the funds received
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will go to the Czech Republic's program for the purchase of
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ammunition first deliveries of which to
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Ukraine are expected in
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June The Netherlands will immediately allocate
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more than 200 million euros to help Ukraine,
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this was announced by the head of the Dutch Ministry of Defense,
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Kajsa Onn, during a meeting of the
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Ukraine NATO Council, the money will be used for
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new initiatives to quickly supply
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Kiev with additional ammunition for air defense and
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artillery further quote the funds that
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the Netherlands are now providing
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are already on the European Continent and
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will be delivered to Ukraine as
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quickly as possible now we all must do everything
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possible to support Ukraine end
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quote in particular 150 million from the package
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will support the German initiative
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immediate action on air
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defense they are intended for rapid
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delivery long-range air defense systems
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another 60 million euros for the purchase of short-range air defense systems
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that can
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be used in particular for
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drones The US House of Representatives
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voted to submit for
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consideration a bill on the
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long-awaited aid to Ukraine; it should
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take place today;
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316 members of the
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lower house of Congress voted to support the procedure USA Although a
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simple majority of 218 votes was enough to make a decision,
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today the members of the House will consider all the
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amendments that passed the
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procedural committee the day before, after which the
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bills will be put to a vote,
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if they pass in the House,
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representatives will send them to the Senate as a single
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package and its final approval
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will be completed after the signing by
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US President Joe Biden, the White House promised to
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do this as
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quickly as possible, we have repeatedly said that
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the Ukrainians ceded their territories due to the
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inaction of Congress, but we are very
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grateful that Congress is moving forward
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and on a bipartisan basis we want the
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aid package to be approved by Congress and the
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Senate and reach on the president's desk and he will
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immediately sign this
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aid. The Pentagon also, in turn,
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promised to quickly send weapons to Ukraine
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after the vote in Congress. The source of the
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political publication said that many
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American weapons are already in
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warehouses throughout Europe and they can be
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immediately sent to Ukraine, and a
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Pentagon representative said Ryder
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said that the next aid package in
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particular will include
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air defense and
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artillery. The heads of the parliaments of Estonia,
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Latvia and Lithuania appealed to the
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US Congress to unblock the
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aid package to Ukraine, which has
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been in limbo for almost six months.
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In an open letter, the speakers of the
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parliaments of the three Baltic countries expressed
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hope that Congress, quote, will make
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the right decision and approve the urgently
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needed aid package for Ukraine end
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quote They emphasized that Europe is taking
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historic steps to strengthen its
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defense capabilities, but this requires time,
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which Ukraine does not have, so
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US assistance is crucial at this
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moment, let me remind you that the US House of Representatives
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held yesterday procedural voting for
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four bills on foreign
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assistance, including to Ukraine; the actual
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vote for the bill package in the
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House is expected
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today. Well, in a few minutes
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my
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colleagues Anastasia Mazur and Sergei
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Eremenko will be on Freedom TV; this hour they plan to
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discuss the scandalous law on foreign agents
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in Georgia why did it cause active
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protests of the Georgian people which
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the authorities
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dispersed obviously grew in the west
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in Germany two Russian
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spies were detained who carried out surveillance of
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US military facilities in the
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country and also prepared sabotage on
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military infrastructure facilities and
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transport routes for aid supplies to
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Ukraine in Romania exposed the Russian
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spies who entered the country under the
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guise of Ukrainian refugees, indeed
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Russia has created in the West the largest
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spy network since the Cold War.
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What are the tasks of its agents and how to
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expose and counteract them,
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see all this was given in an interview with
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Sergei Zhernov, a former senior officer of the
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illegal intelligence service of the KGB of the SSR and the
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SVR of the Russian Federation, an expert on
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international relations and special
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services, Sergei Tell us what the
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spy network of the Russian Federation looks like
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abroad. What is its structure and most importantly,
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what are the goals? The spy network looks about the same
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as it looked in the
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Soviet Union during the
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Cold War, only everything needs to be multiplied
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by two Yes, because under Putin, the
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numerical number of the personnel of the
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JA in the foreign intelligence service
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and the Gru has increased exactly twice, this can be
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said quite definitely because
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there are so-called external different
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signs that cannot be hidden, and this
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different sign is a
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doubling more than twice the number of
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buildings in the operational zone, for example, the headquarters of the
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SVR, this cannot be hidden Because
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there is filming and so on. During the
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Soviet Union,
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approximately 7,500 people worked in the first main department
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and all this is divided into three parts. One
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part 1/3 works in the center in Yasenevo, the
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second part is in what is
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called the active reserve. That is,
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it has gone under the roof, already under the roof of
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Russian institutions, preparing for a
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trip abroad, but not abroad yet,
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and the third part is abroad,
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so it turned out What does 7500 mean? it
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turned out
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that it means
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by mathematics What does that change
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in 2 to 2500, that is,
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2500 Russian personnel intelligence officers
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were abroad in those days,
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it was believed that the KGB was an organization
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that penetrated evil into the whole world, which enveloped the
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whole world with its tentacles and
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these 2500 What is this? It was
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divided for about 150 countries, yes, because
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well, there are
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192 countries in the United Nations Organization. But there are small
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countries in which there are no embassies, no
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consulates. There and so on. That is, we can
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say that these are 150 countries, which means
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dividing these 2500 into 150 countries, then it
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turned out there 15 people on average in
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a country Yes, it is clear that there are small
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countries where there may be five people there. And
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there are large countries, for example the United
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States of America, where there will be 50 and maybe
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even 100 people because in the USA there is a
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main tour in Washington and a tour in
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New York even under the organization of the
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United Nations. About the
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same thing is happening in the Russian
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Federation. You just need to multiply these numbers
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by two, that is, now there are
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approximately 5,000
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personnel intelligence officers abroad constantly, which means on
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average 33 people in 150 countries.
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This means there are countries where there are a dozen
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people, and there are countries where there are
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100-150 people, these are the personnel ones. And
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these personnel intelligence officers recruit
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agents on the spot in order to
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receive information from them there and so
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on, which means if we take again, well, let’s
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say not all intelligence officers, but
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because there there are bosses who are not
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involved. There and so on, well, 4,000
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people and multiply them by 10, it
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turns out that the SVR has
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100. Wait, 4,000 by 10, that turns out to be
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40,000 40,000 agents who work for it
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Well, at a minimum, Perhaps even
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more, that’s a plus to this compared to by the
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Soviet Union, it is necessary to add that under
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the Union there was no such thing, or rather, such a
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direction as the Russian diaspora or
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Soviet diaspora was not so widely used because there
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was very little Soviet diaspora, it was but there
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was little of it. And now millions of Russian
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citizens or former Russian citizens
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live abroad and therefore in these
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millions any agent can be drowned,
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plus there are agents, for example, in the countries of the
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former Soviet Union. In Ukraine there is a
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huge agency. This is what it is being
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built in the first place. Because some
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people worked together before, let’s say in the
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state security agencies, and still have
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you there in the SBU for intelligence there are also people
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who still studied in Russia there have
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connections in Russia and so on, plus there is the Russian Orthodox Church of the
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Moscow Patriarchate Yes, which has its
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own network in Ukraine, this is an almost
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formed intelligence network,
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structured because it is all
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hierarchs of the Zoo and so on. and now
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when, after February 24, the massive
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military operation of the Russian Federation
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against Ukraine began, there was a large flow of
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refugees, they say that there are a million T.
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Probably, if not not more Ukrainians
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left Ukraine to the west somewhere
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starting there from Romania to Poland and so on
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and up to Spain, Sweden, America,
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there and something else, and in this flow of
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refugees, it was also possible to have
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agents, this is roughly how it is
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organized now, which countries are now
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Russia's priority for working with
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spies for espionage, and what are the actual
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goals. Can we say what is a
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priority? now the European Union and the United States because
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it is from these countries that the greatest
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assistance comes to Ukraine in the war in repelling the
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aggression of the Russian Federation. Yes, we
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can say that these are the highest
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priority countries, not only
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because the help comes from them because
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they are considered ideological
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opponents of the Russian Federation for sure
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just as before it was the Soviet Union,
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that is, the United States is enemy number one,
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it is not an enemy, even enemy number one,
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then there is the NATO bloc and the 32 countries
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that are part of it. So,
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accordingly, the European Union, which
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criticizes the Russian Federation,
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the Russian Federation believes that it is
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there on the poor unfortunate thing is attacked all
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day long by everyone And of course this Western
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bloc, and a wide Western bloc Yes,
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because let’s say Ukraine
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is supported by 53 countries This
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includes Japan South Korea Australia
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New Zealand that is, uh, conditionally
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Western countries, yes, that is, they are included,
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as it were in the Western community But in
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fact it is located far in the east That’s why, of
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course, this whole uh,
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conglomeration, so to speak. It is naturally
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of interest to the Russian
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Federation, and then for it there are
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priorities, US priorities, because this is the
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largest military assistance, all countries
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that provide direct military help,
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first of all, for example Germany, which is a
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big piece, and then there are also special
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countries Finland the Baltic countries Poland
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Romania That is, these are countries that
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are in close proximity and
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through which, by the way, supplies go,
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Poland is one of the highest priority countries
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because all supplies go through it
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weapons, through it there is
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communication between Ukraine and the world. That is,
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when even President Zelensky
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needs to go somewhere abroad, he first
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goes to Poland and then flies by
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plane somewhere where he needs to go, and
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therefore, of course, Poland Germany
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Finland the Baltic countries in Europe
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are a big priority and Romania,
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for example, than the Czech Republic, for example, yes.
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Because the President of the Czech Republic, Pavel, for example,
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launched a program to help Ukraine with
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ammunition, so naturally this
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country immediately falls in and plus
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Radio Liberty worked on the territory of the Czech Republic.
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That is, it is clear that these priorities are
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mobile the more active the country is
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takes part in some kind of
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anti-Russian actions, the more
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it becomes a big priority, but there are
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absolute priorities. The United States
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America is an absolute priority
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because it is the enemy for all time in Europe,
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priorities for espionage for example Belgium
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Switzerland are absolute priorities
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because NATO headquarters is in Belgium in
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Belgium the
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headquarters of the European Commission sits there, where the
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parliament meets, there are
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lobbyists and Switzerland Geneva is
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the headquarters of the European
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United Nations organization and plus various
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international organizations and of course all
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this structures a spy network around
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this case. But this does not mean that it
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simply does not exist in other countries in other
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countries, maybe it’s
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some kind of auxiliary network that allows you to
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get easier to those countries
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that are priority plus and
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priority countries usually have
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what is called a strict
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counterintelligence regime, that is, it’s difficult
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to work with an intelligence officer there. So that’s why it
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turns out to be some kind of then neutral countries
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like, let’s say, Austria and
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Switzerland, well, in Switzerland, by the way,
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counterintelligence works very hard. And
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there they are trying to do it there in Spain,
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for example, they work, because Spain
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seems to be considered that, firstly, there is a
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large Russian diaspora there, and secondly,
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well, such seems to be a relaxed Southern country
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Although this is a deceptive thing
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The Spaniards know how to Work also what are the
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main goals of Russian spies
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Russian agents recruited people
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what areas are they trying Which areas are
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they trying to penetrate who to act on
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how they work what is their priority
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in their work and to disrupt the support of Ukraine
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to infiltrate the political system of this
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or that country to undermine the unity of the
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political system of this or that country
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in the context. Of course, we are all now
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talking about the war of Russia against Ukraine. Well, it’s just that
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this is not only in the
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context of the war in Ukraine, there is
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simply political espionage, which
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always works outside the context of any and
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his task is to collect information about general
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political information, well, first of all,
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on the policy of a given country in relation to the
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Russian Federation, and then each
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of the departments has its own
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specifics, that is, the SVR works more on
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general political topics. The GRU works
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purely on military topics, but does not
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disdain nothing
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So the FSB works on the
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Russian diaspora on security on
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anti-terrorism there on organized
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crime and so on, and plus of course
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Now, in the conditions of a full-scale
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war of the Russian Federation against
00:19:14
Ukraine, the military priority has naturally been added.
00:19:16
Purely Ukrainian and everything
00:19:19
connected with this, that is, absolutely the entire
00:19:20
range of services starting from the adoption of
00:19:23
political decisions from political
00:19:25
support for Ukraine and further the allocation of
00:19:28
Finn
00:19:29
military assistance, all flows of assistance, places where
00:19:33
Ukrainian military personnel are being prepared, places where
00:19:35
logistics are being prepared for the transfer of this
00:19:37
assistance, places where refugees are received and,
00:19:40
accordingly, assistance is provided to them,
00:19:43
so in general the spectrum is very very
00:19:45
wide Recently there was a message that a
00:19:48
spy network of the Russian
00:19:50
Federation in Europe was exposed which was trying to
00:19:54
influence the elections in the European Parliament
00:19:56
which are to take place in the summer,
00:19:58
this network was financed at the expense of the Russian
00:20:00
Federation and here is what exactly they are
00:20:02
trying to achieve. How are they trying to
00:20:04
influence the elections in the European Parliament for
00:20:07
what and how? works They bribe
00:20:09
members of the European Parliament they use
00:20:12
some kind of lobbyists How it works Yes,
00:20:15
by the way, this is a fairly new direction in
00:20:17
Russian espionage Because before,
00:20:19
Soviet espionage collected more
00:20:21
information That is, he did not get very
00:20:24
involved in the political political
00:20:26
mechanisms of each country and did not try
00:20:29
to destroy them, but that is, of course there was
00:20:31
Propaganda, there were some
00:20:33
communist parties that sometimes
00:20:35
took part in elections in some
00:20:36
countries where this was possible. But
00:20:40
still, it was more
00:20:42
observation than active action, but
00:20:46
in the Russian Federation it all
00:20:48
shifted to side of active actions and
00:20:51
active measures, that is, yes, they are
00:20:53
now simply
00:20:55
trying to get right into the democratic
00:20:57
process of foreign states of significant
00:21:00
countries, of course, first of all, the United
00:21:02
States of America Germany France There and
00:21:04
so on The spectrum is also very
00:21:07
wide and in particular European, that
00:21:09
is, yes We are talking about either bribery or
00:21:13
simply winning over to one’s side
00:21:16
European deputies, European
00:21:18
officials, European lobbyists,
00:21:21
some European
00:21:24
financiers. What do you call people who
00:21:27
have increasingly large enterprises and, above
00:21:29
all, state or military
00:21:31
production enterprises, and so on and so forth? That’s a
00:21:33
plus,
00:21:36
and provoking is like that to say crises
00:21:39
within these countries from the inside and support for
00:21:42
all sorts of rabble, which means they are trying to
00:21:46
muddy the waters in these countries, that is, there is
00:21:48
also a very wide range of interaction here,
00:21:51
plus we live in the third millennium,
00:21:53
now there are social networks and therefore
00:21:55
there are also various hybrid methods. That
00:21:58
is, you can penetrate into some then
00:22:01
computer networks and
00:22:04
disorganized networks or
00:22:06
computer-controlled transport networks. I don’t know
00:22:09
hospitals there, government
00:22:11
agencies, government websites, and
00:22:13
so on. That’s a plus. Propaganda through
00:22:17
social networks and the dissemination of Russian
00:22:19
narratives means support for Putin, and so
00:22:22
on. That is, again, a very wide
00:22:24
range, and that’s why by the way Putin
00:22:26
now needs twice as many
00:22:27
people who work in
00:22:30
intelligence, and he doesn’t have enough of it. And that’s why
00:22:32
you remember there was a factory, a
00:22:34
troll factory, it was Prigogine in general Yes,
00:22:37
it was not part of any intelligence service. It
00:22:39
was not a private enterprise, but nevertheless
00:22:41
it was involved in the general
00:22:43
propaganda of the Russian Federation
00:22:45
abroad, how professional are
00:22:48
Russian spies today because a lot of
00:22:51
messages from different countries
00:22:52
appear about how they exposed a certain
00:22:54
group of spies who were in the
00:22:57
diplomatic representatives of
00:22:59
the consulates, we all remember the story of glue,
00:23:01
which recently, well, recently a few years
00:23:03
ago, these notorious things happened
00:23:05
Russian spies Petrov and
00:23:08
Bashirov, how much they are now, these are
00:23:10
Kremlin agents who work in different
00:23:12
countries, they are Horseshoe, they are successful and
00:23:15
how easy it is to expose them,
00:23:17
and there is no need to be deceived here. Yes, the fact that
00:23:20
they expose it does not mean that people
00:23:22
work poorly, they are forced to simply
00:23:24
work more actively with one sides and
00:23:27
therefore they sometimes and always in intelligence
00:23:30
there is a certain balance between risk A and
00:23:34
inactivity and That is, if A you
00:23:37
do nothing, then
00:23:38
no one will ever catch you. And as soon as you
00:23:41
start doing something, you have a
00:23:43
risk that you will be caught this is on the one hand,
00:23:45
on the other hand, counterintelligence e
00:23:48
Previously, before the full-scale war of the
00:23:50
Russian Federation against Ukraine,
00:23:52
they worked more on the Islamic factor On
00:23:55
international terrorism and therefore the
00:23:57
funds allocated to fight
00:23:59
Russian spies were less, now there
00:24:01
are more of them and more results, this is the
00:24:03
second factor Why we Now we see
00:24:06
such mass landings or mass
00:24:08
landings, they didn’t expel before, they knew
00:24:11
counterintelligence who works under the roof of the
00:24:14
embassy consulates as
00:24:16
spy scouts But they weren’t
00:24:18
expelled and then when this
00:24:20
operation began, since everyone was expelled en masse and there are
00:24:22
500 people there, it doesn’t mean that
00:24:24
suddenly everyone discovered And before that, no
00:24:26
one knew anyone, they knew everyone and
00:24:27
knew everyone there for 40 years already or there for 50 years and
00:24:30
70 years. They were all in the same places in the
00:24:32
same positions and so on.
00:24:35
But it was just a political decision to
00:24:36
expel them all And before this
00:24:38
political decision was not
00:24:40
made, now there is a conversation in
00:24:41
Switzerland about the fact that Switzerland has
00:24:43
practically never expelled anyone before. But
00:24:45
now, this means that parliament is raising the question
00:24:47
before the federal authorities about
00:24:49
expelling all the spies because they
00:24:52
know them all, and the
00:24:54
Swiss Federal Security Service knows it’s great
00:24:55
who she has a Russian spy there and
00:24:58
plus we live in the third millennium,
00:25:01
again the media
00:25:03
the Internet most of all information
00:25:06
gets to us faster It reaches us and
00:25:08
sometimes we get the impression that now
00:25:10
everything is much bigger and much more active
00:25:14
there, which means these agents are failing that
00:25:17
in general it’s not quite not quite so you
00:25:19
understand, yes that before you can just
00:25:22
deport them and they just didn’t write about it And
00:25:24
now therefore the
00:25:27
impression is being created that they are now being
00:25:29
deported more Although this is not the impression that they are
00:25:31
actually being deported more That’s a plus
00:25:33
Well, the most important thing Of course I I think that
00:25:36
these people have become twice as many;
00:25:38
they are required to work, and when they
00:25:40
demand work from you, sometimes it comes at the
00:25:43
expense of security, and thus there are
00:25:45
a little more failures than If you
00:25:48
act more
00:25:49
carefully, in general, resist the
00:25:52
Russian Agent Russian espionage.
00:25:55
What are the methods? combat is used in the
00:25:57
European Union in the United States and
00:25:59
what methods are effective And all
00:26:02
counterintelligence knows how to work Yes,
00:26:05
they have been working for a long time and nothing
00:26:07
has changed in the methods, absolutely everything,
00:26:10
nothing has changed in intelligence methods and
00:26:12
nothing has changed in counterintelligence methods,
00:26:14
technology has changed, that is,
00:26:16
here It is now easier for intelligence to do it
00:26:18
because there is the Internet, there are computers,
00:26:21
there is mobile communications, there are cameras, there is
00:26:24
tracking satellites there, I don’t know, but everything
00:26:26
has changed, it has made the work of
00:26:29
intelligence easier, but at the same time it has made
00:26:31
the work of counterintelligence easier, yes, that is, well,
00:26:33
roughly speaking, in my time when I
00:26:35
was going out for some kind of operation, I
00:26:37
had to go through a control route
00:26:39
because I had to determine whether there was
00:26:41
external surveillance on me, the so-
00:26:42
called Surveillance, physical people
00:26:44
who just stomp their feet behind
00:26:47
me and are trying to track me, what am I
00:26:50
doing? Yes, now this is going away into
00:26:53
the past because why let
00:26:56
physical people in if
00:26:58
there are cameras in all corners of Paris and you can just
00:27:00
connect to counterintelligence to the cameras and
00:27:02
track my entire route using
00:27:04
subway cameras using ATM cameras using security cameras
00:27:07
and uh, say with dros from drones
00:27:10
from satellites from anything you see,
00:27:12
that’s why everything is changing and changing
00:27:14
in this way, but the methods of both counterintelligence and
00:27:17
counterintelligence intelligence, in principle, in
00:27:19
relation to legal and legal
00:27:22
espionage, as I’m telling you, everyone always
00:27:24
knows who the spy is, but under the
00:27:28
consular or embassy roof, it’s another
00:27:30
matter that they wait for them to be caught
00:27:34
red-handed and then they are expelled or wait
00:27:37
until a political decision is made
00:27:39
to expel them. And then it
00:27:42
means that expulsion occurs, that is, in this
00:27:44
sense, practically nothing has changed,
00:27:46
only the technical
00:27:48
support of espionage and counterintelligence has changed. And
00:27:52
what are the consequences for Russian
00:27:53
spies who are expelled and for Russia
00:27:55
as countries as a whole in the context of relations
00:27:58
with the country where this spy group
00:28:01
was exposed Well, practically nothing to say at
00:28:04
all because this is,
00:28:08
well, espionage is used by all countries
00:28:10
so regularly Everyone fails sooner
00:28:13
or later somewhere Expulsion Well, this is
00:28:16
just a temporary cooling of some kind
00:28:18
relations with the country, but in principle does not
00:28:20
lead to any one-time diplomatic
00:28:22
relations, not with a significant reduction in
00:28:25
some international programs,
00:28:27
primarily economic ones, in this sense,
00:28:29
practically nothing changes for e
00:28:33
intelligence officers, the only thing that is charged is that they are expelled
00:28:35
by the way by people who work
00:28:37
under diplomatic cover. They cannot it’s possible to
00:28:39
put everyone else in prison,
00:28:42
that is, if you don’t have
00:28:43
diplomatic cover, then they’ll
00:28:45
just put you in prison and then there will be a
00:28:47
long story: will they be able to exchange you for
00:28:50
someone there, just like the buta squeezed out there and
00:28:53
let’s say they return him to the Russian
00:28:55
Federation or so how Putin is trying to
00:28:57
return Krasikov, an FSB officer who
00:28:59
killed Chechens in Berlin. And so on for
00:29:04
these officers. Well, they are simply expelled;
00:29:06
they are simply expelled; they lose, so to
00:29:08
speak, their jobs in a good country; they lose their
00:29:10
salaries in foreign currency; and since now there are
00:29:14
biometric passports, these
00:29:17
people will not be able to travel either to one
00:29:19
decent country after this case, that
00:29:21
is, this does not mean that exit will be closed for them,
00:29:23
but it is closed, they will then go
00:29:26
somewhere only to some African countries
00:29:28
that are still ready to accept them, but
00:29:31
none there, let’s say. If you were
00:29:33
caught in the USA then you won’t not be allowed
00:29:36
into any country of the Western coalition anymore, that’s
00:29:39
all, and so these people
00:29:41
find themselves, as it were, their
00:29:44
careers abroad are ruined, they become
00:29:46
unable to travel, this does not mean that this is the
00:29:48
end of their career there But they will be used in the
00:29:51
center they can be used to
00:29:53
study there at a red-shirt institute
00:29:55
or in some educational institutions, but
00:29:57
it is clear that they will no longer go to a more
00:29:59
decent country and for them this
00:30:01
will be the destruction of some kind of beautiful
00:30:04
life established in the West
00:30:07
because they all scold the West but everyone
00:30:09
They adore the West and Western
00:30:11
currency, it turns out that the Russian
00:30:14
spy network it was and will be and the
00:30:17
countries in which It operates and it
00:30:19
operates in hundreds of
00:30:21
countries, it is important to be able to control these
00:30:24
spies, these agents and not allow them into the
00:30:27
spheres of influence Correct yes Correct and
00:30:30
Well, you said Russian, I’ll say
00:30:32
any spy service because it
00:30:34
works absolutely for the Americans. Everything works the same for the
00:30:36
French, the same for the Israelis, it
00:30:39
works the same for the Germans, and
00:30:41
so on, but there is intelligence; intelligence is a
00:30:44
very expensive thing and in
00:30:46
fact not all countries have it 192 countries in the
00:30:49
UN, of which there are intelligence services, but only a
00:30:54
dozen countries have such the
00:30:56
largest and the most, and
00:30:58
another 20-3 countries have a
00:31:02
security service and some kind of collection of
00:31:05
external information. But they, of course, are
00:31:08
not at all to the same extent as they do
00:31:10
Russia USA China There and so on, and
00:31:14
in this sense, you also know there is,
00:31:16
of course, double standards here
00:31:19
because the Vienna Convention on
00:31:22
Diplomatic Relations this year prohibits the
00:31:24
use of an embassy consulate for
00:31:26
spy work, but nevertheless
00:31:29
everyone violates this international convention
00:31:31
and therefore You can stop all spies altogether
00:31:35
and give them the opportunity to
00:31:38
exist Under diplomatic
00:31:40
cover But this decision should be
00:31:42
made there at the level of the
00:31:43
United Nations, which simply
00:31:45
the General Assembly will say that everyone
00:31:47
now complies with the Geneva Convention,
00:31:50
or rather the Vienna Convention. And
00:31:52
no one else sends spies, but you yourself
00:31:55
you understand that we live in the real world and
00:31:57
not in the world of pink pressed plush ones where everything is
00:32:02
wonderful and with pink bullets Yes, that’s
00:32:04
for sure Sergey, thank you very much for this
00:32:06
conversation for telling everything in such detail
00:32:07
Thank you

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