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I already connected the lights and apparently she00:06:37
disconnected again Well, for now there was news00:06:40
Yes, apparently like now again00:06:42
Zoya Svetova will appear with us and say00:06:45
that this is our traditional column we00:06:47
we talk about the new newspaper on Fridays and00:06:51
today we will talk about Vladimir Komuz00:06:54
obk 6 where he was sent and with us on00:06:56
communications Zoya Svetova Hello, kind00:07:00
day Good afternoon Zoya, are you starting00:07:03
stuff about how sad it is00:07:04
famous IK-6 And why is it so sad?00:07:07
known And you know But this is IK-6 - this00:07:11
special regime colony It is known for00:07:15
that there was a riot there a few years ago00:07:19
and the prisoners could not stand it, the convicts could not stand it00:07:22
withstood the torture that was there00:07:25
In general, the Omsk colonies are known for00:07:28
known tmi Not only IK-6 but also others00:07:32
colony and here in I6 there was a riot and I00:07:35
I talked to former convicts00:07:37
talk about why00:07:39
people rioted Why did they00:07:42
they demanded first they demanded that00:07:45
torture stops to stop00:07:47
extortion and then I went in there00:07:50
Amon and then this one of the condemned00:07:54
he was already free he told me00:07:56
that a metamorphosis has occurred, that's all00:07:59
they staged a riot00:08:01
then they started talking about the fact that yes they were00:08:05
torture But the main thing is Give us the phones00:08:07
Give us some00:08:10
means unauthorized by law00:08:13
possibilities and thus00:08:15
the colonial administration began to say00:08:18
see What they really want00:08:19
it seems like there was no torture there00:08:22
Well, this is such a small episode But00:08:23
there really was torture there, that's how it is00:08:26
former convicts told00:08:29
the colony is very special regime but it00:08:32
red red - That means it's there00:08:34
the administration does all the business and there00:08:38
when the prisoners arrive there first00:08:40
acceptance is very tough00:08:42
new arrivals event00:08:44
forced to wash the floor and then humiliated00:08:48
there are adaptations they walk in formation and sing00:08:52
that means different drill songs, in my opinion he00:08:55
said that it was Lyubov's song00:08:56
they sang, which means this is no longer a drill, but00:09:00
they walk in chorus and sing these songs A00:09:03
Here00:09:04
and what else happens there? Well, in short, this is what it is00:09:07
the place where you are generally suppressed in the colony00:09:10
in principle, yes, in any Russian00:09:13
colonies people for the Administration - This00:09:16
nothing and it’s as if they don’t remember at all00:09:20
about the purpose of staying in the colony00:09:23
it means as if upbringing yes A00:09:25
in Russian colonies it is believed that00:09:28
the prisoner must be subdued in every possible way00:09:31
turn it into dust yes And that's very00:09:34
well used in special column00:09:36
the coche regime and there, of course, after the riot00:09:39
management changed Partially00:09:42
Yes, but nevertheless those people who00:09:45
they came there, they are worthy00:09:48
The heirs of all the former bosses00:09:51
the same porridge colony where there are prisoners00:09:54
suppressed where they were tortured, beaten, and that means00:09:57
there as far as I understand how they say00:10:00
former convicts they believe that there00:10:01
all this continues but the point is that00:10:03
Vladimir00:10:05
basket I don’t know if I need to tell you00:10:09
on the radio station that he is recognized00:10:10
foreign agent but we are in a new newspaper00:10:12
we always repeat this but it doesn’t matter00:10:15
attitude towards his stay vk6 but00:10:17
Vladimir muse I'm afraid I'll never come out00:10:20
to this colony because he is already the sixth00:10:22
since he's in the slammer, that's it00:10:25
scary story about this too00:10:28
it says00:10:29
in the latest issue of the new newspaper about that00:10:32
what is schizo today in Russian00:10:35
colonies this is a new torture00:10:38
expose political00:10:40
prisoners this happens for00:10:42
people are put in solitary confinement we know that00:10:45
Alexey Navalny, in my opinion, is already the first00:10:47
times in the punishment cell during his stay00:10:50
in the colony Yes, in the colony in Melikhovo00:10:52
volod commune I think about a month now00:10:56
already in the colony or a little more00:10:59
the sixth time it is placed inside we know that00:11:01
Alexey Gorinov was, in my opinion, two or three00:11:03
times in the solitary confinement and Andrey Pivovarov and others00:11:07
Yes, political prisoners and that's what00:11:09
concerns Murza you said I am Murza more00:11:13
that's all that worries me about this situation00:11:15
because this is the person who00:11:17
polyneuropathy is very scary00:11:19
it means he doesn’t have a diagnosis00:11:21
limbs But this is after two poisonings00:11:24
happened and actually according to the law00:11:27
sick people should not be placed in a season Also00:11:30
Alexei Navalny cannot be placed00:11:33
which also after poisoning with00:11:35
health is not good at all It is also impossible00:11:38
place Gorinov, who is 62 years old and00:11:40
I think he doesn't have one lung.00:11:42
there is, in principle, according to the law before00:11:45
any prisoner field prisoners or00:11:47
an ordinary convict who for some reason00:11:50
reason they also want to break Yes and00:11:53
placed in a punishment cell he must be examined00:11:56
doctor prison doctor who must00:11:58
open his medical record and that means00:12:02
decide whether this person can be placed00:12:03
during the season in the solitary confinement but this doesn’t happen00:12:06
as far as I understand it comes Well at best00:12:08
in case someone comes there00:12:15
felsherinou of the law That's when I was00:12:19
member of onc is public00:12:21
we visited the supervisory committee00:12:23
Moscow pre-trial detention center And in the pre-trial detention center there is also a type00:12:26
shizon is karsar we have always insisted on00:12:28
so that prisoners00:12:30
examined by doctors so in this case00:12:34
Karmuz Navalny Mining nothing else00:12:37
this is not happening this is huge00:12:39
crime I consider penitentiary00:12:42
systems Because the people there are just theirs00:12:45
tortured and their health is very bad00:12:48
Zoya makes it worse Well, you write about Volodya00:12:51
actually why is he in this schizo00:12:53
put it there he folded the pillow wrong00:12:56
I sat down there when I couldn’t00:12:59
sit down as far as it goes00:13:01
there really are some violations00:13:02
internal rules or what?00:13:05
special attitude specifically towards Volodya00:13:07
Do you know that as far as I understand and00:13:10
Andrey Karev and Vera write about this00:13:12
Chelishchev in a large article in Kamenny00:13:14
in a solitary bag in a solitary confinement bag you can be imprisoned for00:13:18
the slightest violation Here you are00:13:20
wrong button00:13:24
I buttoned it up and didn’t hear it00:13:27
when a colony worker walked past him00:13:31
cameras and it seemed like I had to knock00:13:34
so that he wakes up and he doesn’t wake up00:13:36
there, for example, I woke up at 5:10 and I need00:13:39
it was 5 am, now this is already a violation A00:13:42
For example00:13:44
Igor is the same Yuri Dmitriev00:13:48
Yes, he sat down from the Karelian memorial during the day00:13:52
sitting down on the bed is also a violation00:13:55
you understand Volodya Murza Yes absolutely00:13:57
we're crazy, we've already had 14 violations00:14:00
found it could be anything00:14:02
you understand the main goal is to imprison a person00:14:05
in schizo Yes, schizo can be challenged in00:14:07
judicial procedure Well, can you imagine?00:14:10
What are our courts? What are the courts in00:14:13
colonies are of course They will always be there00:14:15
side00:14:16
administration Yeah but if we talk about that00:14:21
again, what is possible in this sense00:14:25
what to do how to fight this00:14:27
human rights defenders have experience in00:14:30
upholding rights Well, at least for00:14:33
healthcare00:14:35
And human rights activists now have neither A00:14:39
what experience do we have but they are human rights activists00:14:41
what can they do in the colony? They do nothing00:14:43
they can’t do it now because00:14:45
these public monitoring commissions00:14:47
them they exist on paper Yes but on00:14:50
actually people who are now00:14:52
prisoners were visited as a rule00:14:54
people close in spirit to the administration00:14:57
colonies and VK penitentiary system00:14:59
it means they won't do anything00:15:02
what lawyers can do again is what lawyers can do00:15:04
to challenge placement in a punishment cell, you understand00:15:07
what is a court? So it is necessary that there be00:15:09
witnesses For example, the same Volodya00:15:12
Komuz will say they put me in this00:15:14
schizo because I didn't hear what00:15:16
you need to get up already, it’s like, well00:15:20
not a serious violation, but it will come00:15:22
the colony employee will say yes, he’s not00:15:24
heard this violation this will be the word00:15:26
against the word you understand or there I am not00:15:29
fastened the button Well, I didn’t have time to do it00:15:31
button up Yes and they will say no. He's not00:15:34
he buttoned up the persistent offender and Murze00:15:36
they said you won’t go to the colony00:15:40
you'll be in the cell all the time because00:15:42
that they most likely did this00:15:44
instructions from the curators of Vladimir’s case00:15:46
komuz that he shouldn’t leave there00:15:49
That is, he can sit there, well, almost00:15:51
not all the time you understand this is all already00:15:54
happened in the history of Russia We remember00:15:57
Soviet dissidents who also00:15:59
We were sitting in the cell, here we are, the brightest00:16:01
an example is Nathan Ransky who was00:16:03
convicted of espionage in my opinion But then this00:16:06
there was an article and here he is in his book No00:16:10
I fear Evil he writes that he is in a solitary confinement cell00:16:12
spent 400 days out of, in my opinion, 11 years00:16:16
which he spent in the camp, but00:16:19
Navalny Already00:16:20
200 or whatever it is 2 or more that is00:16:24
you know it's practice already00:16:27
exists to challenge needs to be contested00:16:30
courts Yes, courts, but we know that00:16:33
for example, they are Navalny’s lawyers00:16:35
constantly sued the colony himself00:16:38
Navalny sued the colonies and of course00:16:39
the colony always won. Yes, probably in00:16:43
history of the Russian penitentiary00:16:45
systems there were cases when someone00:16:47
won Well, I guess I haven’t heard, well00:16:50
maybe one case out of millions there00:16:53
Yes, when suddenly someone succeeded00:16:55
win but most likely00:16:57
no so nothing can be done about it00:17:00
Lawyers can only talk about this00:17:02
try to argue with this00:17:06
medical part that's all Well I don't00:17:08
I know international pressure Now it is00:17:11
leads to nothing Yes in Russia already00:17:14
no matter what they say there00:17:16
west and so on and so on What is possible00:17:18
do this just write letters with this00:17:20
to people and in the punishment cell they receive letters in some00:17:24
moment the letters are given to them and they can00:17:27
write That is, through a letter For example00:17:30
You can write to Vladimir Karmuza Yes to him00:17:32
you can write, but I already wrote to him00:17:34
3 weeks ago he answered me because00:17:37
in the punishment cell you are given a pen and paper only for00:17:39
an hour and a half and you can imagine how much00:17:41
Of course, he gets letters first00:17:44
responds to his wife with his deeds00:17:46
lawyers or his grandmother who told him00:17:48
writes who is 90 years old00:17:51
By the way, thank you very much Zoya for coming out00:17:54
Let's say it again that Novaya Gazeta00:17:57
You can read it on the website of the new newspaper in00:17:59
PDF can be read under the link to00:18:03
description for this broadcast and on the EXA website00:18:06
We also always support the New00:18:08
a newspaper that is located in Russia because00:18:10
that it’s more difficult for them now than ever and00:18:13
marathons are organized so you can00:18:16
donate and support Novaya Gazeta00:18:18
definitely do it yes yes I still want to00:18:21
I should say that yesterday I was at the trial for the department00:18:24
Zhenya Berkovich and Sveta Yes, a couple of minutes00:18:27
there are more of us if00:18:29
It will be great, unfortunately I don't00:18:31
I still managed to write a report Right now00:18:33
I will write because the trial is over00:18:35
literally around 800 pm He must00:18:38
was start at one o'clock it started at 5 pm00:18:41
This is a special mockery When the trial00:18:43
starts 4 hours later than it should00:18:46
So I want to tell you that I don’t even00:18:48
I know how to write a report about this00:18:49
it is impossible to write a report because00:18:51
this is some kind of torture for Zhenya and00:18:54
for Sveta00:18:55
foams up next to the court They are in00:19:00
convoy in the courtroom Yes, that's what they are00:19:03
the cameras are also very small, but that's the point00:19:05
is that00:19:06
and the court00:19:08
extended the preventive measure of arrest to another 1000:19:11
January twenty-four A Zhenya00:19:14
Berkovich said that there are two of her00:19:16
they can no longer have adopted daughters00:19:19
to live without a mother, they are very big00:19:21
health problems, psychological and00:19:24
psychiatric problems and they dreamed00:19:27
celebrate the New Year with your mom because00:19:29
what is new year for adopted children?00:19:31
this is a very scary story. Yes when00:19:34
they are in orphanages this New Year00:19:36
meet and they want with her they they have00:19:39
they have this experience You know, when00:19:41
It's like it's a holiday with fireworks and00:19:43
then it all ends and they00:19:45
dreamed of celebrating the New Year for my wife and Zhenya00:19:47
told the judge she told me you are very00:19:49
I ask your honor please let me go00:19:52
me to the children, they can no longer live without me00:19:53
they can, but your honor of course didn’t let you go00:19:56
and the worst thing is that consequence A00:19:59
also required leaving Trichup and Berkovich00:20:03
And in the pre-trial detention center, supposedly because this is the case00:20:06
some kind of crazy complexity Need more00:20:09
finish the examination We still need to interrogate00:20:12
two people and it’s completely unclear why00:20:14
these girls cannot be at home under00:20:17
house arrest or bail00:20:19
you understand and I want to tell you that00:20:21
the feeling that this is some kind of terrible Revenge00:20:24
that's what we said about schizo These people00:20:26
are in solitary confinement because they are taking revenge for their00:20:30
position for their beliefs But Zhenya and00:20:33
Sveta Pek is absolutely unclear who they are00:20:36
takes revenge and why why can’t they00:20:38
keep under house arrest Although00:20:40
such possibilities in Russian law00:20:43
exist and it is absolutely unclear how this00:20:46
change the situation no excuse00:20:49
there is no terrorism in their case, all the witnesses00:20:51
those who were questioned say no00:20:53
there is no justification for terrorism and that’s all00:20:56
So they continue to do so and it was00:21:00
This one is terrible and completely incomprehensible00:21:04
the investigator is this prosecutor who00:21:06
I just didn’t say a single word at all00:21:07
He said that she supports you understand00:21:09
this judge who seems to be everything00:21:11
listened and then he came out and brought out00:21:13
this is a solution for another 2 months and 7 days and Zhenya00:21:17
Berkovich She's from a cage like that00:21:19
glass aquarium she told him C00:21:21
Happy New Year judge and Happy New Year00:21:25
investigator because it's for her00:21:28
there was drama and her mother was there too00:21:30
court and in general Well, before our eyes, just00:21:34
again this happens00:21:35
crime because we don't know00:21:37
again, what are these daughters of her?00:21:40
more will happen to them in these 2 months and 700:21:42
days straight is absolutely so pointless00:21:45
cruelty Thank you for what you do00:21:49
you told us about it, thanks for coming out00:21:52
Contact us once again to remind you about the New00:21:55
newspaper you can read00:21:57
Thank you00:21:58
Spa Ms. Read what Vladimir Karza00:22:03
wrote specifically for the site Echo Ya00:22:07
just every time I read the text that00:22:09
from Alexei Navalny what from Vladimir00:22:11
Murza is not here I never tire of admiring that00:22:14
how they write it, how they manage it, and00:22:17
joke in these letters but for example how00:22:19
Vladimir Kor Murza begins his letter00:22:21
the greats wrote that prison is very00:22:23
enriches life experience and teaches a lot00:22:26
Yes, I myself have heard this from people more than once00:22:28
who went through the Vladimir prison school00:22:30
Bukovsky once told me you are good00:22:32
guy Volodya, you should sit for a couple more00:22:34
years, you wouldn't have any price. Well, the whole thing00:22:37
I recommend you read the letter00:22:39
there he describes precisely the trial of him00:22:41
about the fact that he didn’t wake up but how00:22:44
Vladimir Koro Murza writes to him usually there00:22:46
turn on some kind of wake-up signal00:22:48
this time it was simply not turned on and he00:22:50
What is called and presented what he is00:22:52
didn't wake up in time and he describes this00:22:55
this court has many similarities00:22:58
remember with how Alexey Navalny00:22:59
described the court when he looks at the table and behold00:23:02
he Vladimir Murza writes that none of00:23:05
those who were at this trial did not look00:23:07
no one looked him in the eye, he stood on purpose00:23:09
and looked into his eyes They didn't raise00:23:11
whole eye Read the text very much to you00:23:13
I recommend it's called the banality of evil00:23:16
text on the website of EXA Vladimir Murza00:23:19
Thank you Thank you again yes Zoe light00:23:21
koto Defender journalist author of a new00:23:24
newspapers of that very new newspaper which is in00:23:26
Russia continues to work00:23:35
ladies now literally maybe through the beating00:23:38
we will somehow make it beautiful for us00:23:45
connect political algorithm00:23:52
Zhirinovsky By the way, I hear something about00:23:56
Zhirinovsky's beating again apparently00:23:58
Vasily has some special feelings specifically for00:24:02
combination of Vladimir Zhirinovsky Alexey00:24:05
Kuznetsova I think that this is some kind of me00:24:07
it seems like it would be more it would be00:24:11
you know what exactly you mean00:24:13
there will be a speech Yes Alexey Valevich00:24:16
Hello hello hello00:24:18
Maxim Hello everyone miss you00:24:19
glad to see you, I'm glad to see you too00:24:23
see I hope you are like today00:24:26
you will never be far from the agenda00:24:28
Absolutely Yes, so to speak I've already gone around00:24:30
all the ceilings in the apartment to see00:24:33
find exactly the ceiling from which00:24:36
you can take it here, especially with the ceiling00:24:38
that's the thing and it's really you yourself00:24:40
now make sure we'll talk about00:24:42
situations that turn out wrong00:24:44
rare in history for me it was00:24:46
absolute revelation of man00:24:48
grew up so to speak in my childhood00:24:51
Internationalism was proclaimed in youth00:24:53
as absolutely natural human00:24:56
condition, what's the difference? So to speak00:24:59
Well, yes, there are different peoples, there are different ones00:25:01
culture is nothing more than ours00:25:03
evolutionary advantage cultural00:25:05
diversity But it turns out there are00:25:07
such situations that live so to speak00:25:10
people live in the neighborhood yes belonging to00:25:14
different ethnic groups to different religious00:25:17
groups, in other words, live in something00:25:20
differently Yes maybe a little differently00:25:22
they eat maybe a little differently00:25:24
praying may be a little different00:25:26
dress maybe comply if so00:25:29
say the authorities of the country allow some00:25:32
slightly different laws pay a little00:25:34
different taxes in general there is a difference00:25:36
yes but they are neighbors00:25:39
and it happens that so to speak in one there00:25:43
yard or block depending on00:25:45
how life works there periodically00:25:47
converge on some common holidays there00:25:50
and they invite neighbors from another00:25:53
people there for weddings for some others00:25:56
there are ritual events00:25:58
each other play together A00:26:02
then something happens and00:26:05
it begins, well it begins, basically the devil00:26:08
knows that and you know because00:26:10
really got it all00:26:12
enough00:26:13
a lot I chose four episodes for00:26:16
today's our Yes four episodes00:26:19
pogroms let's call it this word00:26:21
Although here there are terminological00:26:24
all sorts of disputes in science are going on with you00:26:26
not in science, a pogrom is a pogrom for everyone00:26:28
it’s clear what it is Yes, I chose four00:26:32
different peoples subjected to this00:26:34
pogrom and you and I have a pogrom today00:26:37
Jewish natural pogrom Armenian00:26:40
naturally, but the other two can00:26:43
appear to many of our listeners00:26:46
quite unexpected Chinese pogrom and00:26:48
pogrom German and German when00:26:51
the Germans are victims of the pogrom and not him00:26:54
say active part00:26:59
that Jewish pogrom I want about00:27:01
tell at the beginning Some call00:27:03
generally the first recorded Jewish00:27:07
pogrom in history But if you don’t take those00:27:10
that are described in the old testament because00:27:13
it is clear that the historical validity00:27:15
Old Testament She is more than00:27:21
discussion speech that occurred in the year00:27:24
AD in Adri00:27:28
Yes, I’m great about him, you’re Maxim, I’m00:27:32
I just literally heard about him, I knew00:27:34
such a word combination Alexandrian00:27:37
pogrom what happened there what00:27:40
Actually, I don’t really know anything about it00:27:42
knew until I climbed in and plunged into00:27:45
this topic for our today's show00:27:48
there are also big problems with sources00:27:51
the problem is that it's mono00:27:53
source means almost everything in We00:27:57
we know about it00:28:02
pogromist00:28:04
in two texts00:28:07
that means definitely not written00:28:10
impartial man philon00:28:13
Alexandrian he himself is a Jew00:28:16
representative so00:28:18
called Jewish00:28:20
Hellenism but by the way it is necessary00:28:23
he doesn't try to give him credit00:28:25
talking doesn't try to pretend that he00:28:28
impassive means like this means like this00:28:31
historian who is blue Ira Studio without00:28:34
anger and addiction tells the story No00:28:36
he always says we us yes that is00:28:39
he certainly his texts are texts00:28:43
a deeply suffering person00:28:56
offended But that's what he00:28:58
says Let this be more than controversial00:29:01
Yes, it’s debatable, we won’t check now00:29:03
of course but what he says00:29:04
incredibly interesting because according to him00:29:06
versions of what actually happened leading up to this00:29:09
time by the 1st century AD Already enough00:29:13
long ago in Alexandria of Egypt which00:29:16
was one of civilization's pearls00:29:20
The Mediterranean is a city with not only00:29:23
there are a lot of crafts people there00:29:26
everything else is the city where00:29:28
numerous cultural00:29:30
there were attractions anyway00:29:32
on and on and on And in this city00:29:34
Magnificent was inhabited mainly by three00:29:38
ethnic groups are indigenous people00:29:41
Egypt00:29:43
Copts are Greeks naturally because00:29:47
after the conquest of Alexander the Great00:29:49
and the collapse of his empire in Egypt00:29:53
period begins00:29:54
e reign of the Ptolemaic dynasty which00:29:59
belonged to, for example, a famous00:30:00
Cleopatra Let us not forget that00:30:02
Cleopatra is less than 100 years before00:30:05
these described00:30:07
What happens next means Rome is taking over00:30:11
establishes control over this territory00:30:13
sends his governor00:30:16
some officials of their magistrates00:30:20
and that means the Greeks continue to live and00:30:23
staying like this is enough00:30:24
privileged part00:30:26
The Alexandrian population is00:30:28
large Jewish community very large00:30:31
the author himself is the one I am referring to00:30:34
of the five districts in which00:30:36
subdivided into Alexandria Egyptian00:30:39
two districts are almost entirely Jewish00:30:43
other areas are also present Well00:30:45
quite a noticeable part of this00:30:47
population and more or less00:30:50
ok Copts have their own religious and00:30:54
so to speak, everyday life among the Greeks00:30:58
Roman officials have their own And so00:31:01
say the Roman garrison is there too00:31:03
The Jews also have their own something Roman00:31:07
no one particularly clings to them Well, well00:31:09
You people are strange, well, you believe in one thing00:31:12
God Although it is clear to the horse that there are many gods00:31:15
much better than one Well believe me Well00:31:18
the only way you know without much noise and00:31:20
cod And believe it means you pay00:31:22
taxes Be prepared for what you00:31:26
second-class and Copts too00:31:37
they somehow started asking second-rate00:31:40
questions are generally very similar, you know00:31:43
always an alarming moment when Jews00:31:45
they begin to ask questions: what are we00:31:47
actually Why us00:31:49
we pay second-class, so to speak00:31:52
To the Roman authorities we do not00:31:57
Why exactly do we want too00:31:59
civil rights are civil rights00:32:01
right than we actually are and this one00:32:04
posing the question of the Eye completely00:32:06
unbearable Well, what is this anyway?00:32:09
what are they00:32:11
became insolent And I must say that the Roman00:32:14
authorities, as is always the case in Roman00:32:17
provinces, remember the incident with Pontius00:32:26
Pilate00:32:27
Ari is the Roman prefect Avili Fla00:32:32
after 2K which Tiberius also appointed and00:32:36
he was safely under Tiberius for 5 years00:32:39
means governor and as Our writes00:32:44
the correspondent was wonderful00:32:46
everything was completely a ruler under him00:32:48
ok no incidents like that00:32:56
say00:32:58
who came after the Great Tiberius Yes00:33:01
Caligula has come, I would even say00:33:03
Caligula has come and they begin so to speak00:33:07
all sorts of trends and any provincial00:33:11
power it is extremely always like us00:33:13
we understand listening to the sounds of that00:33:16
wind that blows in the direction from00:33:19
the capital and it seemed like something00:33:23
here it’s necessary somehow not very his time is new00:33:25
the emperor loves and needs00:33:30
somehow like a bear00:33:33
Voivodeship Toptygin the first Yes he is00:33:35
knew exactly what to do00:33:38
you need to go down in history somehow00:33:40
cause bloodshed, it looks like00:33:42
long before the Shchedrin flag something00:33:45
I suspected something similar and it’s starting00:33:50
offensive what can I say yes and how much00:33:54
once00:33:55
tested00:33:57
get ready to arrive at the voivodeship he may00:34:00
I also read about the Alexandria pogrom00:34:02
at least that's what the guy said very much00:34:05
that's all00:34:07
hints and that means he came up with a flag00:34:10
there are a lot of promising things to say00:34:13
One of the things, for example, was00:34:15
that you need to somehow know the Jews00:34:19
settle her and Toto they scattered around00:34:22
the city is in00:34:25
in general00:34:31
Alexandria is divided into five neighborhoods00:34:33
named after the first letters of the alphabet two00:34:35
of them are called Hebrew because in them00:34:36
where the majority of Jews live00:34:38
however, a lot is scattered in other00:34:40
blocks what was done here00:34:44
Jews from four neighborhoods are robbers00:34:47
drove them into one small but00:34:50
Jews00:34:55
was to settle along the coasts of landfills and00:34:58
cemeteries, that is, on the far outskirts beyond00:35:01
outside the city because they lost everything00:35:04
what they possessed and the persecutors carried out raids00:35:06
their houses are now empty and robbed00:35:09
distributing goods like spoils of war they00:35:13
broke into Jewish workshops closed in00:35:15
a sign of grief under ruzili this is from caligula00:35:18
it means my sister died. Yes, remember00:35:22
the film has seen the mountain and unhindered00:35:24
they took everything valuable from there and this00:35:27
Prim was dragged through the market square00:35:36
gives orders to merchant sailors00:35:38
artisans were prohibited from working00:35:40
a common thing So it’s not counted00:35:42
entered from both sides Here is the first type00:35:45
pogrom pogrom during00:35:47
nationally significant events00:35:50
the pogrom, so to speak, is like the trail of a comet once00:35:53
the Jews of the Armed Forces are equally herded into00:35:55
geto take advantage Yes And today00:35:59
when modern source historians00:36:03
The Vedas try to analyze these texts and00:36:06
talk about the reasons why00:36:09
pogrom00:36:10
hypothetical beyond the usual inclination00:36:13
I rob crowds and in general let's say to00:36:16
violence too I met one very00:36:18
interesting term I haven't seen it before00:36:20
met the substitute00:36:24
hate you know what it is when00:36:27
you hate00:36:28
alone But you can’t hate them, they’re dangerous00:36:32
hate you can't reach them00:36:34
yes yes you can’t or you’re very afraid because00:36:37
that you know for sure that it will arrive immediately00:36:39
and many will fly in. Yes, but there are others00:36:43
which you don’t like either, but you have them00:36:45
not in first place Well, suddenly you00:36:48
you start to hate them So they00:36:50
They're just surprised, Lord, what do we have?00:36:52
we were such a normal little one00:36:54
hatred what what you are so dissapointed A00:36:58
they can and you know that's sad for00:37:01
me observation But I immediately remembered00:37:03
a few examples from my Teacher's Desk00:37:05
in practice this happens very often in00:37:08
class yes someone hates00:37:10
some but this one is like this00:37:14
Bugay with00:37:19
a [ __ ] bastard who's all one00:37:22
the fist of a bully and you can easily hate him00:37:25
nice And then you just need to figure it out00:37:27
why never at this stage never00:37:30
no problems happened00:37:33
uh, everyone knows perfectly well about Most Probably00:37:36
the worst pogrom in Jewish history00:37:38
people this is the famous Massacre itself00:37:41
it's usually called a massacre because00:37:43
you understand the pogrom is still happening00:37:55
pogromist00:37:58
owl sweat in case of horse with Armenian res00:38:02
of the year it was the main Tse Yes destruction00:38:06
That's why they actually say00:38:08
it is about the genocide of the Armenian people00:38:11
one of those Well fortunately not so much00:38:14
common cases Although the term00:38:16
genocide is often quite irresponsible00:38:18
used when really00:38:19
it is obvious that the lion is finally dying00:38:25
ago east tour yes of course but I00:38:28
I speak for myself, I gave up a long time ago00:38:31
ideas to speak for humanity everything that I00:38:33
I speak, I speak for myself. So I came across00:38:39
on a story about which I knew a lot00:38:41
better than about the Alexandria pogrom but00:38:44
knew from fiction and not00:38:46
from historical literature from Valentin00:38:49
Savich Pikul to whose work I00:38:52
I'm difficult, but it's difficult I'm not00:38:54
I want to say that I am his category from00:38:57
some historians say pi is the sun00:39:00
Dumas for the poor, but no, Pikul can00:39:03
there is a lot of interesting and reliable information in that00:39:05
number to glean, although there is, of course,00:39:08
fictions and stretches, but let's not forget00:39:10
Pikul writes fiction00:39:12
everything is based on historical material Yes00:39:15
cannot be approached with the same criteria with00:39:17
with which he has research00:39:19
novel which00:39:21
called by which it was once00:39:24
The shot was pretty good for my taste00:39:27
Ale silver Sosem by young Olga Budino and00:39:30
other good Akmiriy Nazarov so00:39:34
to say it appears generally so strong00:39:36
In my opinion, the series was made and here it is00:39:39
describes the famous fearful sitting00:39:42
When during the war of that same war00:39:45
which we perceive first00:39:47
like the war for the liberation of the Bulgarian00:39:49
the people in general are the beam ist the most00:39:55
dest plevnoy on the Shipkinsky pass but00:39:59
quite large-scale fighting00:40:01
were also carried out in the Caucasian military theater00:40:04
let's not forget the actual actions00:40:06
that the main thing is territorial00:40:08
transformation for itself Russia did it00:40:11
right there in00:40:15
Transcaucasia is not long for this transformation00:40:18
remained Yes, the Bolsheviks then the border00:40:21
will block again but nevertheless on00:40:23
several decades, so to speak00:40:25
lands became part of the Russian Empire and00:40:28
that's where the General's detachment is00:40:31
Gukasova means basically formed00:40:34
from local troops00:40:36
means from00:40:38
there are enough Caucasian garrisons00:40:42
easy actually without much fighting00:40:45
clashes captured the fortress bz00:40:47
left a small garrison there and went00:40:49
further Meanwhile, the Turks came to their senses00:40:52
took a detour; the Moor approached00:40:55
KTU tried to take him, so to speak00:40:58
the storm did not work out and the fortress was00:41:01
a very powerful garrison was set up00:41:04
decisively and they proceeded to wasp and so00:41:07
you know I won't be with you here00:41:10
We still have permission ahead of us00:41:12
Now there will be unpleasant quotes But here it is00:41:15
what I read about00:41:17
description of that But the thing is that around re00:41:22
own00:41:25
vro vala compact group of Armenians as00:41:30
everywhere in the eastern part of the Ottoman00:41:33
their empire was a minority, a majority00:41:36
were Kurds Muslim00:41:39
the majority were represented mainly00:41:41
Kurds and also00:41:43
Circassians who moved to their00:41:47
the queue was also explored by many today00:41:50
researchers call it genocide00:41:53
from persecution by Russian authorities in00:41:56
during the Caucasian War in the mid-19th century00:42:00
and that's when the Turkish regular troops00:42:03
they besieged the fortress and realized that they couldn’t take it00:42:06
succeeds e Sultan00:42:09
e addressed the Kursk population to00:42:13
Circassian population with a call for00:42:16
gazova as jihad is called in the Caucasus00:42:20
Holy war against infidels and00:42:22
a completely creepy cutting begins00:42:25
these are those Armenian neighbors who are still00:42:28
I repeat once with these people already00:42:31
have lived in the same area for centuries00:42:34
bokobok Yes yes there are mixed marriages00:42:37
practically excluded but everyday00:42:40
life respect visiting friendship00:42:44
Children play these children will00:42:47
actually throwing Armenian into the fire00:42:49
the population was destroyed, I'll get by00:42:52
no details, but those Armenians00:42:55
which00:42:57
didn't have time couldn't didn't want to00:42:59
decided to leave when it became clear that00:43:02
The Turks are about to arrive. Here they are00:43:04
destroyed00:43:07
let's move completely to more so to speak00:43:10
times close to us 1900 we are with you00:43:14
last time we talked about the Uprising00:43:17
Ihetuan Yes, this is also nationalist00:43:20
Uprising From there it was also possible00:43:22
give all sorts of examples, but these examples00:43:25
it suits us very well because it's a pogrom00:43:28
embassy quarter in Beijing is not00:43:30
neighbors you've lived with for centuries00:43:34
side by side these are foreign diplomats00:43:36
They arrived relatively recently to you00:43:38
no one call them no way to cut them out00:43:40
there were Chinese there after all00:43:43
whose Christians were Chinese Christians00:43:45
Yes, but again they were slaughtered because00:43:47
so they succumbed to the activity here00:43:50
these same ones mean chubby and white-skinned00:43:55
in general, what is called gaijin in Japanese00:43:57
Yes Stranger foreigner in Chinese00:43:59
there’s probably something like that too. And so00:44:02
this Uprising covers almost all00:44:04
northern especially northeastern yes00:44:08
close to00:44:14
Mazhurina I remember that Russian troops are in00:44:16
as part of the united corps of eight00:44:19
powers participated in suppressing this00:44:22
Uprisings but the fighting went straight00:44:24
near the border on the opposite00:44:26
side of the Amur River A in the city00:44:29
Blagoveshchensk which was the center of this00:44:31
region at that time00:44:33
And the very large Chinese population00:44:37
Here I will quote a contemporary eyewitness00:44:40
a resident of Blagoveshchensk who describes00:44:42
situation for decades, many of the Chinese00:44:45
And00:44:54
manzhurka incredibly limited in00:44:58
their needs Chinese nationals00:45:01
have definitely never been noticed00:45:04
only in major crimes But even in00:45:06
minor reprehensible offenses00:45:08
honesty and integrity were00:45:09
their generally recognized features are therefore00:45:12
many large institutions of different00:45:14
industrial firms and companies as in00:45:16
private houses on the Chinese as on00:45:19
employees or servants all unconditionally00:45:21
relied and completely trusted them in00:45:24
many Russian families and00:45:26
Well, add young Chinese to them00:45:28
often tied them as if they were relatives00:45:31
taught Russian language and this activity00:45:33
they betrayed with wonderful00:45:35
diligently reading a Russian book or00:45:37
by letter they00:45:39
sat through whose and thanks to such diligence00:45:42
made rapid progress And then the man00:45:45
diagnoses his compatriots00:45:48
but in the environment00:45:54
Little Kurgan people saw in them00:45:57
firstly, a representative of an alien00:45:59
nationality stubbornly avoiding blending in00:46:02
with Russian this is what I really like00:46:05
if you are good, why aren’t you with us?00:46:08
you want to merge, but it’s clear that we are00:46:11
exactly Yes, as the Chinese are known for00:46:15
with extremely rare exceptions never00:46:17
part with neither their customs nor their00:46:19
their appearance second in them00:46:22
Russian workers have always seen dangerous00:46:25
for themselves competitors and that's when the fighting00:46:28
actions go directly to00:46:31
Blagoveshchensk and serious troops for00:46:33
there is no defense of the city in the city begins00:46:37
absolutely panicky horror That's it00:46:41
one reason for this kind of outbreak00:46:44
Fear Fear that this stranger will suddenly00:46:48
turns out to be a fifth column and so that he doesn’t00:46:52
cut you00:46:54
the only one who will start Well, who knows, yes00:46:58
the only remedy is to start00:47:00
first Well, that's actually what happened00:47:07
done00:47:10
he came up with it from the experience of his ancestors and took it as00:47:13
this is sung Yes, this wisdom was given by the ancestors00:47:16
Folk dadada I don’t remember this anymore00:47:18
which edition Well, it doesn’t matter the last one00:47:20
in my opinion it is now the current one00:47:22
song One is all one00:47:24
song and that's what started00:47:28
weighty fists of reserve ranks00:47:32
that when did the local start00:47:33
call for spare parts from all over the Amur region00:47:37
regions were called to recruiting station B00:47:39
Blagoveshchenskaya they are not quite sober00:47:41
means in Blagoveshchensk and00:47:44
heavy spare fists dangled00:47:46
officials, don’t miss the opportunity to drink out of grief00:47:50
often walked along the backs00:47:52
silent and angrily look at Vanya then00:47:56
there are Chinese, yeah that's interesting yes in in00:48:00
Petersburg in Moscow there were Chinese00:48:02
the laundries were a whole block00:48:05
called the Chinese usually walking or00:48:08
Chinese but in the Far East00:48:10
it turns out Vanka Well because van van00:48:13
van probably yes I see The main thing is that they00:48:16
looked angrily, after all, it’s not00:48:18
by chance Yes they are beaten and they are vicious00:48:21
looks00:48:22
beat sentence quotes open00:48:26
because of you creatures we are being taken away from work00:48:29
And from the family and driven into troubles even then in00:48:32
local newspapers wrote about a number of such00:48:34
cases by the evening of the first day00:48:36
the bombing of A and Ani began through00:48:40
the river shelling of the city occurred first00:48:43
murders according to competent people00:48:46
The police themselves advised killing00:48:48
Chinese because they were afraid that they might00:48:51
set the city on fire at night, that is, the police00:48:53
led the adoption of measures, so to speak. Well,00:48:56
what follows is a completely creepy story00:48:58
more creepy Yes, the Chinese must be said00:49:01
partially fled And partially those who00:49:05
apparently there is still some property there00:49:07
were tied to life by some things00:49:09
they sent a delegation to Blagoveshchensk00:49:12
I'm sure that with gifts to00:49:15
to the Governor General with a question for us00:49:17
to leave or not He said No no no00:49:20
The Russian Empire will not allow00:49:22
peaceful people regardless00:49:24
nationality Calm down nowhere00:49:26
no need to leave00:49:29
defense did not accuse them of anti-Russian00:49:32
sentiments e in an anti-Russian statement00:49:35
that they somehow doubt00:49:37
safety of the presence of the Chinese in00:49:39
In Blagoveshchensk he was completely confused00:49:42
you can tell by all his actions00:49:44
It looks like he missed this moment, yes it is00:49:47
the truth is now of course administrators00:49:51
people are much more trained than the code00:49:57
feelings he realized that here too00:49:58
the governor general must be with the people00:50:01
Yes, I was then with my people and he00:50:04
gave00:50:06
order of all Chinese from00:50:08
Blagoveshchensk to evict00:50:10
Zaku away but not to China But there to00:50:15
Russian territory to00:50:19
dawn Well, then I’m still like this00:50:21
I won’t say it in my own words00:50:24
retell the morning of the 4th of July first batch00:50:27
the general Chinese gathered the day before00:50:29
numbering 3 s54 people under00:50:31
convoy of 0 recruits Armed for00:50:35
lack of weapons with axes that we have00:50:37
There are always no weapons But I don’t know Yes but00:50:40
this is how it was sent to a small00:50:42
Upper Blagoveshchensky village 10 km00:50:45
the column was led quickly up the Amur00:50:48
the road was bad, it was a hot day and many00:50:50
especially the elderly began to lag behind00:50:52
the bailiff who commanded the operation gave00:50:54
order to kill all those who began00:50:57
with axes the order was carried out along the way00:51:00
several dozen people were killed00:51:03
investigation carried out by several00:51:04
months later I found out that all this00:51:07
accompanied by looting and plundering00:51:09
dead and alive This is amazing This00:51:12
a question that inevitably arises when00:51:14
you read how Jews were ordered to be killed and so on00:51:16
further, yes, after all, there is in00:51:18
human nature something 80 recruits00:51:21
with axes and 4.000 that they are not00:51:23
ran away that they are these that they are these00:51:26
axes weren't shoved into these recruits, well00:51:29
let's say so in the head carefully Yes no they are00:51:32
they They saw that they were killing00:51:35
stragglers to the river I hope that it will carry them00:51:42
Dato is definitely not worth it in the sense that it is00:51:45
Victim Blain is not about not they are to blame No I am00:51:48
I'm just talking about how amazing it is00:51:50
human nature about guilt What kind of guilt00:51:54
especially these people in the coming hours00:51:56
the wait was no better in the village for the convoy00:51:59
armed Cossack residents joined00:52:01
led by their chieftain, they chose00:52:04
the crossing point seems to take a long time00:52:06
chose the width of the Amur was here00:52:08
more than 200 m depth more than four at00:52:11
powerful current drove the Chinese to Croesus00:52:14
water and ordered them to swim when the first00:52:17
the waters that entered sank almost immediately00:52:19
the rest refused to go, then they began00:52:22
drive first with nuts then by shooting at00:52:24
everyone who had guns shot point blank00:52:27
Cossacks peasants old people children after00:52:29
half an hour of shooting when on the shore00:52:31
a large pile of corpses was created, the chief00:52:34
detachment ordered to switch to cold00:52:36
the rogue saved the weapon Yes00:52:39
Kazakhs chopped down the state mind with sabers00:52:42
Recruits use axes to escape them00:52:44
the Chinese rushed into the Amur but were able to overcome00:52:46
almost no one could00:52:48
swam to the other side no more than 10000:52:52
a man who has meanwhile come to his senses00:52:54
general00:52:56
that the job was done 2 days after that00:52:59
when the sun ended and took a pause00:53:02
and gave instructions so that she00:53:04
stayed in00:53:06
history it has come to my attention that00:53:08
some residents of the city of Blagoveshchensk00:53:10
also persons from the peasant and Cossack00:53:13
population of the region entrusted to me00:53:15
allow various types of violent00:53:17
actions against00:53:24
living protective enemy is out of character00:53:28
Russian man Oh, you're still behind00:53:32
I caught up with the numbers Yes, I didn’t check in then00:53:35
I found it and then, on reflection, didn’t00:53:38
in the character of a Russian person Yes00:53:41
Well, then they punished someone, yes, yes there was00:53:46
court, several switchmen were not punished00:53:49
then to much As they say from Siberia00:53:52
to Siberia from the Far East to the Far00:53:54
East Well, at least formally00:53:56
the authorities condemned this pogrom about him00:53:59
I remembered it very much later, but then00:54:01
such events that there is no way to remember, well00:54:04
and finally the events began00:54:06
The Great War What was the First War called then?00:54:09
world Naturally, in the early days00:54:12
after the announcement it means wars happened00:54:16
isolated incidents when typical00:54:19
the Russian people naturally do not00:54:21
characteristic of the Russian people But these00:54:22
incidents happened everywhere in Berlin00:54:25
attacked people with Russian surnames00:54:28
Russian citizens were attacked in Vienna00:54:31
Of course there00:54:33
in general, on everyone, and on Serbs and00:54:38
there were Russians in St. Petersburg in Moscow00:54:41
Several attacks have been recorded00:54:43
store robberies00:54:45
with German surnames of the owners it is00:54:48
ok it's like I don't approve of it00:54:51
Of course, well, the first days of the war are clear00:54:54
but the head of the German pogrom itself occurred00:54:57
when the war ended00:55:02
a year in modern chronology is00:55:04
It will be the beginning of June, but as usual00:55:07
still active this is the end of May00:55:09
fifteenth year What happened failure00:55:12
at the front this great thing is beginning00:55:16
retreat Yes Gorlitsky00:55:19
breakthrough in the reports of the abandoned fortress00:55:24
And00:55:25
One spark is enough so to speak00:55:28
fly by and this Spark can be00:55:31
absolutely what is called random00:55:33
origin as it will be in ours00:55:35
case and it will start like this00:55:39
patriotic00:55:41
excess and it must be said that00:55:43
Moscow00:55:45
mayor Alexander Alexandrovich00:55:48
Andrianov, Major General, he was generally waiting00:55:52
something similar00:55:54
and instructions were given to stop these00:55:58
any tackles are immediately detained harshly00:56:02
and so on That is, he did everything for00:56:04
so that this pogrom does not happen, but what00:56:06
it's called the People's Will00:56:10
overcame means what happened in Sitsa00:56:15
printed00:56:17
the factory walls have now been restored00:56:22
can be repaired00:56:23
like almost all the old ones00:56:26
industrial enterprises in some00:56:28
either a business zone or an entertainment zone00:56:30
you know this zone somewhere not far from00:56:31
Paveletsky station Derbenevskaya00:56:33
the embankment was there and very00:56:36
well-known company in Moscow00:56:38
printing factory that's what it means00:56:43
belonged to a company with Well, most not00:56:45
eat the German name of the company00:56:48
was called by the name Emil Tsindol00:56:51
Iko and that's where the poisoning happened 300:56:56
people workers turned to know00:56:58
medical institutions I don't know00:57:01
canteen or perhaps in the dye shop00:57:04
Something was not followed technically00:57:06
security Well, it's obvious that00:57:09
usually production is the most00:57:13
the situation is sad But usually But people00:57:16
Drew conclusions immediately00:57:23
Means00:57:25
no carry foreign truth no00:57:28
German and Swedish surname ka no00:57:32
Anything will do for real pogromists00:57:34
will go into action Yes, although the Swedes are neutral00:57:37
And that he’s a Swede, that’s why he’s a Swede And00:57:39
the manager is still with the German00:57:42
they beat him there, his daughter is a sister of mercy00:57:46
came running and tried to take my father away and explain00:57:49
everyone00:57:53
something has gathered a decent factory00:57:57
stormed00:57:59
it means they ruined00:58:01
E00:58:03
killed several female relatives00:58:06
the owners who lived at the factory Well,00:58:09
then everything started to blaze00:58:11
Moskvorechie which includes Derbenevskaya00:58:14
Embankment Then spread to the center00:58:17
and the largest and apparently the most00:58:20
motivated crowd of pogromists00:58:23
SOBR00:58:25
at the birthplace of the echo radio station00:58:27
There is a pharmacy on Nikolskaya Street in Moscow00:58:31
she is there again she is restored again with00:58:33
historical name famous one00:58:36
from the oldest pharmacies in Moscow00:58:39
the one who is for00:58:41
corner But here there are still researchers00:58:44
they argue Yes, which one is meant exactly?00:58:47
pharmacy around the corner Rigla on Arbat or yes00:58:50
Well really she's there she's not she's not for00:58:53
corner no there it's not around the corner sorry00:58:57
there she is, right there in the middle of the streets00:59:01
what is said Absolutely true Yes And so00:59:04
this verein was especially wanted by enthusiasts00:59:07
means subjecting to patriotic wrath00:59:09
because there was stock and alcohol there00:59:12
in mind Well of course yes because it is necessary00:59:15
try to find pleasure in work00:59:17
Do you agree Maxim Yes of course me00:59:20
you see they don’t ask even if they do00:59:23
pogrom00:59:25
Yes, there should be a pogrom so to speak00:59:28
carefully thought out, it's all spontaneous00:59:31
kills and for two days from 9 to00:59:35
June 11, according to the new style, Moscow is essentially00:59:39
was in the hands of the pogromists and were00:59:43
troops are called in Well, here's Inter Yes city00:59:47
probably suffered the most serious00:59:50
fire in recent history So I think00:59:53
what after00:59:56
This is the most serious fire because00:59:59
what was recorded in these 2 days 7001:00:03
fires, 10 of them were classified as01:00:06
Very01:00:07
big and then the list of victims01:00:10
lawsuits were brought Well, the revolution is all01:00:13
it was reset, of course, but there were lawsuits01:00:15
were presented in time01:00:23
11301:00:25
it's all been drawn out there01:00:27
the problem is with us and with the Germans and01:00:30
the Austrians are on their side with the Russians01:00:32
French English subjects too01:00:35
were similar01:00:37
Problems01:00:39
489 Russian citizens with foreign01:00:44
surnames, that is, overwhelming01:00:46
most of the victims are Russian01:00:49
subjects whose entire guilt was01:00:51
what they have01:00:53
was about some ancestors01:00:56
German Swedish Danish more01:00:59
some non-Russian surname But even01:01:02
Russian surname is not a hindrance because 9001:01:06
the people injured were Russian01:01:09
subjects with Russians01:01:11
the names just came to hand or uh01:01:16
their facilities were so good well yeah01:01:21
well, let's say a wine shop and a verein then he01:01:24
one how many of those Rens And how many of those01:01:26
Renov to alcohol And for a day without01:01:29
you're tired, you know you need a lot of fuel01:01:32
Well, according to the Russian shop01:01:34
guess Vasily Vlade Well what is it01:01:36
Now why should I pass by?01:01:39
I don’t understand this outrageous fact01:01:41
Vasili has a wine paw01:01:44
Orthodox man gets drunk01:01:53
Orthodox reveal if it was Jewish01:01:56
Hellenism Was there Jewish Leninism?01:01:58
if there was then who was it so to speak Oh this01:02:01
How deep that this is not morning for us01:02:04
U-turn and daily allowance is needed then that’s for sure01:02:07
We won’t meet our daily allowance in one minute01:02:11
anticipating the question in Irene’s eyes01:02:14
Tomorrow is November 4 November 4 is such a day that01:02:17
Well nothing happened at all01:02:19
which I didn’t attach, I decided to talk on01:02:21
completely distracted topic, we'll talk to you01:02:23
O01:02:26
for whom there is no01:02:27
historical ass they only happened01:02:31
because there was a strong desire01:02:33
celebrate at this time01:02:34
anything01:02:36
not often but01:02:38
happened Tomorrow we'll do it like this01:02:42
here is a review under the code name01:02:45
Hello Toto New Year indeed01:02:49
the name will be different01:02:53
with guys and thank you very much We are now01:02:56
let's listen to the news immediately after the news01:02:58
Alexey Venediktov joins us01:03:00
we have some castling today01:03:03
they didn’t even have time to say yes Alexey01:03:05
Benedict will be with in the next hour A01:03:08
in an hour Mikhail will join us01:03:12
[music]01:03:23
Khodorkovsky01:03:25
[applause]01:03:27
[music]01:03:31
Rafah checkpoint administration published01:03:33
lists of people who will be able to today01:03:35
cross the Egyptian border into the gas sector01:03:38
there are 621 people on the list, Russians among them01:03:42
no Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations, on instructions01:03:45
Vladimir Putin sent two01:03:47
plane with humanitarian aid for01:03:49
Sectors01:03:51
Gaza activist Lev Xiang found in Bishkek01:03:55
Moscow pre-trial detention center Butyrka in Russia skorkin01:03:58
prosecuted under the criminal article01:04:00
hooliganism for a rally in support01:04:02
political prisoners As noted01:04:04
human rights activists extradition from Koryakin to Russia01:04:06
previously illegal prosecutor's office of Kyrgyzstan01:04:09
refused to extradite the activist01:04:11
that at the time of the abduction Skaryatinsky01:04:24
she was charged with assaulting an employee01:04:26
colony reports Rus News itself01:04:29
Ponomarenko claims that it is so01:04:31
called injured employees01:04:33
male and she doesn't look like any of them01:04:37
attacked the Tver region following01:04:39
Mordovia introduced fines for inducing01:04:41
abortion through deception or01:04:44
bribery fines for citizens from 3 to 5,00001:04:47
RUR for an organization from 100 to 200,00001:04:51
rub while informing about availability01:04:53
medical or social indications for01:04:56
artificial termination of pregnancy01:04:57
will not be considered inducement to abortion01:05:01
The Latvian Seimas finally adopted the amendments01:05:04
to the traffic law which01:05:06
Prohibited from staying in the country01:05:08
registered vehicles01:05:10
in Russia the owner of such a car must01:05:13
re-register it in Latvia or leave01:05:15
country no later than February 14 next01:05:18
years otherwise otherwise01:05:20
the car will be confiscated by the Latvian authorities01:05:23
promise to hand over confiscated cars01:05:26
Ukraine earthquake of magnitude 5.201:05:29
recorded in Greece by RIA correspondent01:05:32
the news reports that there are strong tremors01:05:34
were felt in Athens, data on casualties01:05:37
and destruction so far01:05:43
no Maxim Kornikova Irin Babloyan come to us01:05:47
I hope to join literally in01:05:49
for some time Alexey01:05:51
Venediktov I don’t see [ __ ] yet Well,01:05:56
in general Now we'll get together nothing01:05:59
terrible And I can’t hear you either Maxim01:06:02
you're probably sound No, I didn't turn anything off01:06:04
Now everything is there, it turned me off01:06:07
Vasily Yes I You know then just01:06:10
I will say that while we are waiting for Alexey01:06:12
Venediktova I call again first of all01:06:16
read the text by Vladimir Murza but there is01:06:19
a few more You know texts on01:06:21
which I would pay attention to and how01:06:25
then it turned out I wasn’t the only one on them01:06:26
I draw your attention But first of all, the article01:06:30
Simon Schuster at Zelensky Yes, I think so01:06:33
I hope that we are talking about this With a screw01:06:35
let's talk yes dadada but I'm just getting to that01:06:37
that we have collected a lot on this matter01:06:39
different opinions on the site I tell you what01:06:42
called right and did you see the reaction01:06:45
the Ukrainian side appeared in the fields01:06:50
commented yesterday that he01:06:53
said He said that now I can even01:06:57
to you01:06:58
read out what01:06:59
they called it in the president's office01:07:02
subjective point of view of a particular01:07:04
journalist article01:07:06
Now wait, I just wasn’t ready01:07:09
to the fact that it’s good Yes, it’s clear What’s that01:07:14
trying to explain this one way or another01:07:17
article by the presidential administration01:07:20
I can read Zelensky if01:07:21
Want01:07:22
found he noted that we should not forget01:07:25
that the article is someone’s subjective01:07:27
position subjective point of view01:07:30
specific journalist who has01:07:31
my vision of what is happening secondly I01:07:34
I don’t understand at all what anonymous is01:07:36
sources Because when I'm with someone01:07:38
I'm speaking on behalf of the President's office01:07:41
then I definitely say that it’s me who says01:07:44
in some places these anonymous sources are people01:07:47
who do not have access to certain01:07:49
information but somewhere nearby are01:07:52
and they want to increase their weight, that's it01:07:55
the fellow actually commented01:07:57
Ukrainian service of Radio Liberty with us01:08:00
already given we need to pause at 1001:08:02
seconds Maxim01:08:22
interrupted01:08:24
o And I’m just so we say hello to01:08:26
Alexey Venediktov, he sits like this on01:08:28
in the background of the Iron Chancellor in the background of Bis me01:08:31
it seems like if he shaves his beard then something01:08:34
general will agree agree Okay I01:08:37
I'll try to stick something here Yes to01:08:41
Yes, we started talking about how the article01:08:45
Simon Schuster is now perceived in01:08:48
Ukraine How do you generally see the emergence01:08:50
this material and Do you agree01:08:52
for example with Nikolai Trokhim who01:08:54
says it's a honeymoon after all01:08:55
ended with Zelensky and the West01:08:58
Well, first of all, a few more words about01:09:01
Saimo is not Schuster, I've known Simon for a long time, he01:09:03
worked in Moscow for many years yes And he was01:09:07
whose most corrosive journalist01:09:09
I knew Yes he is absolutely professional01:09:12
if I can speak professionally01:09:14
journalists, but I have no doubt that01:09:18
what he wrote is what he was told01:09:20
people he didn't come up with anything01:09:22
exaggerated not to fantasize01:09:24
That's why I take his article seriously01:09:26
but the story is that we01:09:28
this was not discussed here on our broadcasts01:09:31
and we all talked about six months ago several01:09:34
months ago what about something else here Simon01:09:38
he just put it together as if from the inside he was01:09:41
during Zelensky's visit to Washington01:09:43
he Simon has very good sources01:09:46
in Washington so you understand saved01:09:48
them Working in Russia in Ukraine and here they are01:09:51
so this story is just important here01:09:54
she became public Yes she was She was01:09:59
Well, it’s one thing we told Alexa01:10:01
Zelensky’s quotes are another matter01:10:03
dadada yes well actually a long time01:10:07
all these topics were taboo in Ukrainian01:10:08
society because as I said yes we01:10:12
We are conducting a special military operation01:10:14
Russia and Ukraine are leading a liberation01:10:15
war like this and therefore military01:10:19
time-related topics count as01:10:24
especially among people who take01:10:26
decision because well, the sun is the sun for the front01:10:28
Sun for Victory and apparently history today01:10:32
is such that they are forced to admit that01:10:35
what they whisper in kitchens01:10:37
Ukrainians that the counter-offensive01:10:40
stopped, started what it says01:10:41
zaluzhnaya already opposition war what01:10:44
Zelensky says what he says to the audience01:10:46
contradict each other I'm just pointing out01:10:47
attention Yes trench warfare trench warfare01:10:51
which has long been talked about in Europe and01:10:54
in the US Congress Well, of course, everyone who01:10:57
attentively01:10:58
observes Everyone has their own wishes but the facts01:11:01
sometimes they don’t match your wishlist01:11:04
so I would take this article very seriously01:11:06
seriously there is absolutely one plot01:11:09
It's amazing when this article appeared in01:11:12
half head01:11:14
office of President Zelensky Andriy Yarmak01:11:17
posted on his Twitter a link to01:11:20
this01:11:22
article01:11:24
I think everyone should read this01:11:26
very important report and then deleted01:11:31
when the noise started it was just that01:11:33
indicates that one of the01:11:35
Simon Schuster's sources are01:11:38
Andrey Ermak for me in every way01:11:41
case for me as a journalist yes yes01:11:44
because this article01:11:47
VBS Ukrainian primarily caused01:11:50
very sharp tension and not without reason01:11:53
chapter01:11:54
m council01:11:57
security of Ukraine says it is necessary to find01:11:59
these sources need to find these sources01:12:02
they shouldn't be near01:12:04
the president is the one who does not believe in our01:12:06
victory And this is the first time we see inside01:12:10
such a different understanding inside01:12:13
Ukrainian leadership Yes and and01:12:16
I repeat on this01:12:17
Valeria's essay is superimposed accordingly01:12:21
Zaluzhny01:12:22
head of Ukrainian troops in economist at01:12:25
this is superimposed on Arrestovich’s interview and01:12:28
Arrestovich's statement yes, we see that in01:12:30
Ukrainian society, regardless of01:12:34
what's happening there is different01:12:37
point of view on what can01:12:39
the consequences of these 20 months01:12:43
military operations, well actually01:12:46
there Now it will begin And it has begun01:12:49
internal discussion We don't know yet01:12:51
Will there be presidential elections in March?01:12:53
I mean in Ukraine Because01:12:55
Zelensky's powers expire on March 3101:12:58
Well, of course, during hostilities they01:13:00
may be delayed by law according to01:13:02
However, the Constitution of Ukraine01:13:05
means only one thing in Ukrainian01:13:07
society just like in Russian there is01:13:10
different views on01:13:12
way out of this01:13:15
[ __ ] How to get out of this [ __ ]01:13:18
really, that is, as you want01:13:21
go out like this01:13:24
to get out and how to really get out based on01:13:27
from what happened today, here you go01:13:29
fight week numbers previous week01:13:32
No, which is finishing the previous week01:13:34
fights01:13:36
means Russian01:13:38
army as a result of numerous losses01:13:42
captured 12 kva kimet along the entire line01:13:45
contact and lost her neck that is01:13:48
here for 6 Kim Yes01:13:52
laid down01:13:54
Lude SH01:13:56
Ron have advanced here Well, none of them01:14:00
the front did not crumble and this forces01:14:02
think about how much more we can01:14:04
put before some front poses01:14:07
How much do you need to put in? This is01:14:11
very good more than Zelensky01:14:15
more than Simon's shust01:14:22
arrestovich 150.000 Yes the man says he01:14:25
twice less than01:14:28
they say the Ukrainian intelligence department He01:14:31
does not say how much Ukraine lost about01:14:34
this is said by Sergei Guriev who01:14:37
means in the discussion he said that Ukraine01:14:39
lost a third of GDP01:14:43
GDP compared to the beginning of the war01:14:45
actions and we know that economics is01:14:48
the basis of military action is the basis01:14:50
military operations and Russia is growing VP there01:14:54
1% 2% 2.2 this is Guriev saying this is not me01:14:58
I say I don’t know how to calculate GDP, that is01:15:01
what we've been saying here for already01:15:03
at least six months that military operations01:15:06
came to military action resource and01:15:08
It is not square kilometers that need to be compared01:15:11
and resources are not about today but about Tomorrow01:15:15
now it has become public and01:15:18
in Ukrainian media01:15:22
interview article field appears in01:15:25
economist and of course this is addressed in time01:15:28
to Well, Zaluzhny definitely addressed it to01:15:32
Western public opinion because01:15:34
that Western01:15:36
the establishment he believes he believes01:15:39
money counts resources counts01:15:42
Consequences Pay attention today01:15:44
House of Representatives at night01:15:46
USA accepted01:15:48
aid package for Israel01:15:51
14.3 billion01:15:54
Biden introduced this package together with01:15:56
Ukrainian where Ukraine should have01:15:58
get 61 billion and Israel 143 and so01:16:02
Republicans in Congress defeated this01:16:04
package to make Ukraine clear01:16:07
Israel was postponed, accepted. What about Biden?01:16:09
says And I will veto the Israeli01:16:12
there is no help for Israel, only together01:16:15
there are different points of view01:16:19
makes a point he addresses the public01:16:22
I think it's great01:16:24
he understands perfectly well that01:16:27
American German politicians01:16:29
French are pressured by public opinion01:16:32
about Ukrainian in this case he01:16:34
says guys If you don't tell us now01:16:36
give me Well, you lost everything and we01:16:39
lost Well, right now right now01:16:42
here, let's press on01:16:45
their very politicians01:16:49
deputies need money, weapons need He01:16:52
he says he's just listing01:16:54
he’s not at all, but this is what you need, this01:16:56
this is this this is this push push01:16:58
push push that's the story01:17:01
Moreover, the story now with Israel is01:17:03
Of course, she attracted not only attention but also01:17:06
only media, of course, we are a journalist01:17:10
we naturally turned there01:17:13
financial here's an example finance those those01:17:17
graph paper shells that should01:17:19
were sent to Ukraine01:17:21
going to Israel for their election campaign01:17:24
the race is already rubbish and it doesn’t matter to the Ukrainians01:17:27
it doesn’t matter and the Russians don’t care anyway01:17:30
where is the election race next01:17:32
year to re-elect the entire European Parliament Yes01:17:35
all European countries re-elect their own01:17:37
deputies in01:17:38
European Parliament shells are needed now01:17:42
they are not there because they are redirected They01:17:45
not only money was actually redirected01:17:47
Yes iron and that's it01:17:52
that's why I specifically emphasized01:17:55
Shuster gives special interviews and01:17:59
inside the article in time and I want it right away01:18:02
please note for those who haven't read it01:18:04
on the Echo website translation into Russian and01:18:07
this and that And Zaluzhny and Simon then01:18:10
there is Zelensky and read there for yourself01:18:13
read Do not believe our retelling may01:18:15
we What are we letting in What you will see Here But this01:18:19
specially publicly to Western Iroo01:18:21
public opinion therefore time01:18:23
therefore the economist is very01:18:26
prestigious Yes attentive I would say01:18:29
journalist working in these publications and01:18:32
this is of course a definite calculation Ir Come on01:18:35
We'll try Arkady on Sunday01:18:37
Should we call Ostrovsky again? Since we're like01:18:38
say economist Yes, how was it prepared?01:18:41
because it's an essay Yes, that's how it is01:18:44
things like this are being prepared, it’s interesting01:18:46
Of course Arcadia is very good to call01:18:48
idea Support Alexey Alekseevich You01:18:50
mentioned elections01:18:53
in Ukraine How is this even possible?01:18:58
today in those conditions when01:19:01
several million probably tens01:19:03
million people are abroad01:19:06
when part of the territory is occupied01:19:09
when most of the people at the front are01:19:11
in general it is always possible to carry out01:19:14
electronic voting Oh my God I say01:19:18
and you just know and you just don't01:19:21
you know01:19:23
fan of electronic voting and he01:19:25
promised before the outbreak of hostilities that01:19:28
next presidential vote01:19:31
a lot of things will be electronic you need to understand01:19:33
What is this Zelensky? This is not01:19:34
Venediktov this is for him Please01:19:37
look this decision will be Ukrainian01:19:39
Now we see that there is no leadership01:19:42
consensus to postpone elections yes or no01:19:44
postpone We see that many Western01:19:48
Ukra couples say don't be friends01:19:51
elections01:19:53
wound How to organize This is the second question01:19:56
In principle, recognize what needs to be done01:19:58
elections Does Zelensky need something new?01:20:00
legitimization or there is no need to arrest what01:20:03
he says look in Russia they will01:20:06
elections we put them in quotes anyway01:20:08
new legitimization in Europe elections01:20:11
new legitimization in America elections01:20:14
new legitimization says all ours01:20:16
enemies and01:20:21
buddy, here's a discussion inside01:20:25
Ukrainian It’s not for us to decide and not for us01:20:27
advise naturally this will do01:20:30
Ukraine BUT of course Zelensky will be01:20:33
consult with partners because01:20:35
that everyone understands that the coalition01:20:38
supporting Zelensky is a coalition01:20:41
democratic countries democratic01:20:43
countries where elections are preserved Therefore, he01:20:46
it’s important for now that we are one of yours. Well, which ones?01:20:49
there will be decisions I don’t know the elections in Parla01:20:52
already transferred as far as I understand01:20:55
I mean in the Rada And yes, that’s probably why01:20:59
I I I would say today that I am not today01:21:02
I see the conditions under which you absolutely01:21:04
Zelensky is right and will hold elections01:21:07
now it’s not Zelensky but Ukraine01:21:09
presidential elections Well who knows01:21:12
can be01:21:13
not part of Ukraine's political platform01:21:18
I also know Yes about the fact that you01:21:21
They said they have a question, they mentioned Arrestovich01:21:25
In general, how do you feel about this figure?01:21:26
he he's talking about it01:21:29
that I started to take a closer look at him01:21:32
recently, to be honest, because01:21:34
actually it seemed to me that there was a lot01:21:38
such a draw together with the office01:21:41
President Yes, it is clear that in Ukraine01:21:46
discontent is growing because well01:21:49
how the economy people are dying about the situation is not01:21:54
improves for each individual family01:21:56
immigration01:21:58
massive That's why we need it01:22:01
this is a completely normal dissatisfaction01:22:04
somehow I’ll live and collect it after him01:22:08
looked after01:22:09
Zhirinovsky, that is, in agreement with01:22:12
by the central committee Yes, a certain01:22:16
the power of koto gathers the dissatisfied01:22:21
Izhi VS more and more how to say01:22:24
looks up from the office, we see how nervously01:22:28
The leadership of Ukraine does not react to it01:22:31
the president himself but his office and Danilov01:22:35
secretary of the national council01:22:36
security and polyak and01:22:40
Ermak thinks he felt the wind01:22:43
V01:22:44
Sails and realized that he was dissatisfied01:22:46
he can capitalize a lot01:22:49
proud01:22:52
placing himself very highly Why don’t I01:22:55
can this actor could become01:22:56
president Why can't I become What am I01:22:59
worse than me worse and he is capitalized01:23:02
Here01:23:04
we see this dissatisfaction with corruption01:23:07
these corruption scandals that are about01:23:09
which, by the way, the Ukrainian press writes A01:23:11
First01:23:13
turn fatigue from military operations01:23:16
loss of breadwinners mass immigration01:23:18
there are still problems in Ukraine, they01:23:21
exist even in conditions of hostilities01:23:23
it is impossible to cope with them, so he01:23:26
says no, let's have this plan01:23:28
such a temporary world to hell with them01:23:30
some territories Let us01:23:32
we will join NATO as the remainder and then01:23:36
politically these territories are thinner01:23:38
we will return the bottom with a new democratic01:23:40
leadership of Russia Here is his plan, how he01:23:43
he is voiced by Alexey Alekseevich many01:23:46
at least who I read from01:23:49
Ukrainians they write What is surprising but01:23:52
it's like he's in a Russian audience01:23:54
especially the opposition has much01:23:56
greater fame and rating than among01:23:58
Ukrainian feeling as if he was on01:24:00
it works and agrees with this01:24:03
No of course he's getting ready he's01:24:05
he wants to become president in this01:24:07
sincerely He is preparing to conquer01:24:10
dissatisfied Ukrainian01:24:12
audience May I be reminded that in01:24:14
ninety-third year after01:24:17
here is a premonition of the Civil War01:24:19
Zhirinovsky's party took first place01:24:23
Yes, the first place collected the most01:24:26
votes in crisis deno year three01:24:30
October premonition of the Civil War01:24:32
December Zhirinovsky on the first01:24:34
place I don't mean stylistics01:24:37
content stylistics Therefore I think01:24:41
that he really wants to collect Ukrainian01:24:43
votes for him in this case01:24:51
Russia01:24:52
Well, let's go to the middle wok because damn01:24:55
blinkin01:24:57
went from hold went Yes he went01:25:02
to Israel he will have two points on01:25:04
today it is Israel Jordan01:25:07
the main one now is how to say this01:25:10
and such a platform for suspension01:25:13
military action he went to persuade01:25:16
Israel take a humanitarian pause01:25:18
decision of the White House establishment Yes it is01:25:21
so because01:25:23
really a huge number we don't01:25:26
we know Which because the Ministry of Health gas01:25:29
which is controlled by Hamas01:25:31
I've deceived him many times already, but hugely01:25:33
the number of civilian deaths and this01:25:36
everything will continue I mean in01:25:37
gas this will continue during01:25:39
military operation in urban conditions01:25:41
fights How are you01:25:43
thought the hostages were freed01:25:47
Total01:25:49
P01:25:51
their01:25:53
of these are people with passports of other wounds in01:25:57
Waiting for there to be Russian citizens in Gaza01:26:01
There are also Russian citizens, about 60001:26:03
man I don't mean hostages I do01:26:06
those who lived there, families, children, and so on01:26:08
yes love what are they doing there and love01:26:12
women went there and gave birth to children there01:26:14
Russian01:26:16
citizens this is love01:26:21
near01:26:23
it is Hamas that does not release not Egypt not01:26:25
accepts Hamas does not release Damn it01:26:29
will mean he has a task of hostages01:26:32
because there is a significant amount01:26:34
American01:26:36
hostages, among other things, and he01:26:39
understands the danger to the world for01:26:41
United States of America is an escalation01:26:44
conflict I don't know whether you know or01:26:51
No01:26:53
right to declare war on Israel is a decision01:26:56
parliament it is not very good yet01:26:57
constitutional but it is adopted by Algeria where01:26:59
Algeria Yes Algeria is the name of the Armed Forces therefore01:27:02
Americans understand perfectly well that01:27:04
escalation in the entire east will have to01:27:07
interfere and waste your resources there01:27:10
and strength even in the year of presidential elections01:27:12
so the sun needs to be very cynical01:27:15
humanitarian pause and hostages01:27:19
hostages VM rule about hostages Do01:27:23
Once you get the hostages out, then start01:27:25
talk well, listen01:27:28
Russian Foreign Ministry how do you react to that01:27:30
that there are Russian hostages there of course01:27:33
of course Russian Russian Foreign Ministry01:27:35
reacts to the fact that there are hostages there01:27:38
was one of the topics of negotiations with Hamas01:27:40
I know that's where Bogdana led these01:27:42
negotiations, let me remind you that it’s not just about01:27:45
midi Mikhail Bogdanov he is not only01:27:48
Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs in charge01:27:49
Middle East he is a special representative01:27:52
Putin on the Middle East That is, he is01:27:54
conducted negotiations on behalf of Putin not from and01:27:57
Yes, of course, but we don’t see the result yet01:28:00
Well in the news today it was that they01:28:02
only there two planes are sent from01:28:03
there is no humanitarian aid sent there01:28:05
Kadyrov sent there, in my opinion01:28:07
there is also a lot of humanitarian aid there01:28:10
no about humanitarian aid, I'm talking about01:28:12
hostages of course they work01:28:15
but this is in the hands of Hamas, you understand and01:28:19
hostages in the hands of Hamas and people who01:28:22
you from gas to go to Egypt in your hands01:28:26
Hamas They came to Russia, sort of.01:28:30
friendly net see Hamas01:28:32
came Why did he come In order to01:28:34
show that people like him support him01:28:36
powers Like Russia nuclear power what01:28:38
there and so on it's them01:28:40
got what they will pay for it but01:28:43
we don’t know, today at 15 o’clock it will be01:28:45
performing for the first time since October 701:28:51
the head can announce01:28:54
jihad that is the events we are in01:28:57
center of turbulence On one side01:28:59
Israeli troops divided Gaza and01:29:01
went to the sea and this Northern one is where01:29:03
Hamas where the tunnels are mostly now01:29:06
cut off from the rest of the gas from the southern01:29:09
parts of gas and from Egypt Yes With one01:29:13
sides, yes, that is, Well, they just took it01:29:14
surrounded everything and tanks01:29:16
the mob came in01:29:20
we see we see Algeria that is this01:29:24
The aircraft continues in turbulence and is very01:29:27
it's hard to make up this le01:29:31
something uplifting while everything gets worse and01:29:34
worse so far in every place Well, in the same place01:29:36
Makhachkala, of course, is still getting worse and01:29:39
worse, that is, in your opinion, there's blinkin here01:29:41
is traveling not so much for humanitarian reasons01:29:42
considerations that the world is putting pressure on him01:29:47
with the gas sector and so on01:29:50
further there is a solution to the problem yes it is01:29:55
part of the negotiation process means01:29:59
just like any humanitarian pause or01:30:01
suspension Yes, what will happen to us for this?01:30:04
yes Israel refuses to accept it01:30:07
because the hostages are in01:30:10
the hands of Hamas and so on there are no good ones01:30:14
decisions, you need to understand that one thing is01:30:17
this is not good01:30:20
Schatz01:30:22
wounds worsen01:30:24
the situation gets worse every time Israel moves, well01:30:27
in a short period of time his position01:30:30
the global community is starting to say yes01:30:33
That's right, yes Israel has the right to01:30:35
defense but but the Americans are already saying this01:30:39
Yes, Israel’s allies are already saying this, but also01:30:43
The White House is already talking about humanitarian01:30:46
pause of course Hamas every day too01:30:49
while the hostages are there in their hands, but also this01:30:54
But that’s all for now, tsuk tsva from everyone everyone01:30:56
every move makes the situation worse01:30:59
leads to escalation and the search will blaze there01:31:01
it won't seem enough, Ukraine will seem01:31:04
somehow this01:31:07
the very periphery of the world conflict if01:31:11
it will really burn there01:31:13
Alexey Aletsch remembered Makhachkala yes yes and01:31:19
I naturally want to talk about Dagestan with you01:31:21
Speak Frankly You Understand01:31:23
the nature of what happened on Sunday01:31:26
Well I think that I can't imagine01:31:28
say that I understand that my understanding01:31:31
shared by everyone but I'm on my own01:31:33
I imagine this happened in the first place01:31:36
this must be placed in the general context A in01:31:39
context of, say, mass demonstrations in01:31:41
support for Palestine and let's be honest01:31:43
Hamas is that in the very educated01:31:47
circles at Harvard, for example, We see that01:31:50
Jewish students began to go to01:31:54
saved actually Yes, this is not Makhachkala, this is01:31:57
Harvard Yes, and we see the stars that have appeared01:32:00
on some houses in Paris01:32:05
respectively six-pointed star01:32:06
mark the places where Jews live Aa yes a01:32:10
that is, we see the general general01:32:13
the whole picture is this process01:32:16
anti-imperialist01:32:22
this is the second story - this is of course01:32:25
separately Russia and separately Makhachkala01:32:28
here I think I'll be in the minority01:32:30
I still think that the Russian authorities01:32:33
In terms of01:32:34
anti-Semitism is not organized by these companies01:32:37
don't organize these01:32:39
companies for several reasons one of01:32:41
they need to understand that Putin is in this01:32:45
in a sense, the same as Netanyahu, that is01:32:47
roughly speaking, if you and I01:32:49
Let's remember the year of Shamil Basayev's raid in01:32:53
Dagestan, yes, that is, we have such01:32:55
the raid is here, the raid is coming out01:32:59
uncontrolled territory here's how01:33:01
Chechnya and they went shooting, killing, slaughtering01:33:05
and go what did Putin do formidable01:33:09
iron01:33:11
the second Chechen was carried away for 3 months01:33:15
Grozny did it for 3 months then01:33:19
Prime Minister and then Executive01:33:23
duties of the President until February 6, 200001:33:25
year Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin therefore01:33:26
he understands very well what he is doing01:33:29
Netanyahu understands he is the same in this01:33:32
sense Alexey Alekseevich Well, how are they01:33:35
warm up these endless01:33:36
anti-Semitic jokes, no, that’s what he is01:33:39
does not count, firstly, not infinitely And we01:33:41
they were counted three For all time yes For everything01:33:45
time for 20 months and secondly he01:33:48
Soviet man and a member there01:33:58
WWII the word Jew was indecent in01:34:01
The Soviet Union was indecently decent01:34:04
Speak I have Jewish friends01:34:06
it's polite to say yes but at the same time01:34:10
It's quite obvious that this is01:34:20
anti-cancer01:34:22
he wants to be a moderator01:34:24
between What happened Why exactly01:34:26
Makhachkala Why Dagestan history01:34:29
first and what’s in the database Yes, I’m in general there01:34:33
the platform outlined what is in the database in the database01:34:36
The North Caucasus has long since left the legal01:34:39
fields of Russia there issues are not resolved in01:34:43
the courts and not the protocols decide the issue01:34:47
at gatherings at gatherings01:34:50
people Yes, but what if we can get together How01:34:53
you can divide the land not according to the law01:34:56
this is where the gathering for Jews might be01:34:58
convergence in their understanding we decide this outside01:35:03
legal structures01:35:05
Sharia Yes, we even elect the president01:35:09
parliament and not the people is another legal system01:35:11
the system this government did brought out01:35:14
North Caucasus A from the legal system01:35:18
Look rough01:35:20
speaking in Western countries where are they going01:35:22
mass demonstrations of something there people01:35:25
doesn’t go and hit Jewish shops and look for01:35:27
Jews Yes, they can go to court there Yes01:35:31
there is a legal system and here in the North01:35:34
In the Caucasus this legal system no longer exists01:35:36
or rather she does01:35:42
he talks, that's what he's responsible for01:35:45
Central power second Why01:35:47
answers the Central government is01:35:49
support for Hamas public through01:35:51
They see they see the binary system01:35:55
Here comes the war between Israel and Hamas01:35:58
who is supported by the Kremlin Hamas in this01:36:01
system in this war Well, here we are too01:36:04
that is, this is also a responsibility01:36:06
Central government01:36:08
undoubtedly01:36:10
third, in general, a cult of violence which in01:36:14
Russian ideology Federal power01:36:16
implants this time the sun is decided Who01:36:20
stronger you can go there01:36:22
this is a cult of violence, that's the responsibility01:36:26
Central Power 2T from my point01:36:29
further, in general, the story with01:36:33
burned by beating01:36:37
bark exactly about the same thing there in the same way01:36:41
what is Kadyrov’s reaction to this and if01:36:44
we will have such rallies three shots01:36:46
whose air is in your head this too01:36:49
in fact it's absolutely true01:36:52
history of Zhuravel Yes, no, no, no, no01:36:55
we understand everything about the legal system01:36:58
according to traditions according to concepts, whatever you want01:37:01
it is the Central Authority A that is responsible for this01:37:04
there is a separate history of Dagestan in01:37:06
Dagestan As you know, inside it is very01:37:10
it's hard, it's a very rich country01:37:13
Dagestan is a very rich country in minerals01:37:16
rich in minerals01:37:19
country and control over Dagestan01:37:21
Dagestani bos have always been divided between01:37:24
different clans and here Vladimir Putin01:37:26
appoints a representative of a very small01:37:28
people01:37:30
Lezgina is the current president Well, the head01:37:33
Dagestan Melikov Yes01:37:35
but appoints a person who served in01:37:38
he was the head of the federal troops01:37:40
internal troops Well, consider it the Russian Guard01:37:42
once a predecessor Yes, he is a stranger01:37:46
him Clash with mass clans01:37:49
there for control01:37:51
We saw Suleiman Kerimov in01:37:53
presence of the President Yes and01:37:58
naturally here01:38:00
thanks to such turbulence they01:38:02
were ready when Melikov was not in01:38:05
the city of Makhachkala and he was not in the city01:38:08
This01:38:10
use for yourself Who was in charge01:38:18
negotiators01:38:21
lemana riro who not only calmed01:38:24
pogromists but also fired them in a volley where01:38:28
hid people from the flight so I can and this one01:38:32
can't, but this one couldn't resist01:38:37
Republic And we are all political01:38:40
ambitions are not ambitions, the struggle for power and01:38:43
consequently01:38:44
resource therefore Dagestan We tried it01:38:47
would they do it in01:38:50
Chech Chet bullet in the forehead and the first bullet in the forehead01:38:54
they tried without Kadyrov like this01:38:56
get out and go somewhere without01:38:59
order01:39:00
No one would dare to vertically immediately01:39:03
iron a01:39:06
Well, here it’s a special region altogether01:39:09
quite protestful That's exactly why01:39:10
exploded because there were other people there01:39:13
responsibility of the Federal authorities on01:39:15
which I said and the general situation there01:39:17
there were local interests who were01:39:21
bear melikov why so harsh01:39:24
harsh statements now Melikova ma01:39:28
he understands that this was an attempt01:39:30
number show his impotence as heads01:39:34
and he understands and takes it down for a reason01:39:37
Peskov came out and said we support01:39:38
I didn’t say it with a comma in mind01:39:43
but I read it because we01:39:46
they prescribed it like you did with Prigogine01:39:51
theirs against theirs Prigogine and Wagner theirs01:39:55
and went against our own here, these guys we01:39:59
We understand them, they are our own. What should we do with them?01:40:02
and they went against their own people01:40:05
the authorities are01:40:08
weakness demonstration of the weakness of power01:40:11
which is when it's your own against your own01:40:13
Don't know what to do, don't know how01:40:15
react until the president says01:40:17
Alexey let's go hakala actually01:40:21
Alexey Alekseevich Why01:40:24
law graduate01:40:26
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin doesn’t like it that way01:40:29
right because he understands the right01:40:34
Soviet01:40:35
I mean because he was finishing01:40:37
Faculty of Law and studied law01:40:40
Soviet law where01:40:43
and the interests of the proletariat are more important01:40:47
how01:40:49
formal rule01:40:52
But in fact, if we talk about the Caucasus01:40:54
he somehow answered this question He01:40:57
told us editors-in-chief when he was01:41:00
question asked This is01:41:02
was the eighteenth year right after01:41:05
elections and there was also a question That’s exactly01:41:07
Caucasus and he said this is the price of peace for01:41:11
Caucasus I give them01:41:14
opportunity to rule there accordingly01:41:17
According to01:41:18
traditions And that's what he says in01:41:22
according to tradition I give them01:41:24
opportunity and I when I quote lines01:41:28
I’m not putting mine in. Sorry for God’s sake, you’ve already01:41:31
forgot how they tried to separate01:41:34
in mind Chechnya Yes, they forgot what this is for01:41:36
led this01:41:38
the price of having them with us is this01:41:42
was the answer, probably so he thinks and01:41:45
therefore the right becomes secondary or01:41:47
or rather, these Republics will be different01:41:49
Now we will formalize this with the equestrian law01:41:52
that in some regions the presidents are well01:41:54
elected there by the legislative assembly01:41:56
according to the proposal of President Anya01:41:58
by popular vote as in others01:42:00
so asymmetrical01:42:02
Federation Well, because it's again01:42:06
ours against ours. What should have been done?01:42:09
Just imagine the leader there01:42:15
I know wait, here's the police station01:42:19
in international aro01:42:21
the crowd is coming Yes she is standing first01:42:25
nothing is breaking in anywhere, a crowd is coming01:42:28
which is starting to happen we don’t want to let in01:42:30
Jew everything stands then he starts to break in01:42:33
There are three policemen at the door. What should they do?01:42:35
were to do So you have one01:42:38
sides about 200 people 200 men01:42:42
young01:42:44
I emphasize unarmed and three01:42:47
policemen at the door, so they closed01:42:49
the door was torn down01:42:52
Alexei01:42:53
Alex, where is the Federal Service?01:42:56
Security which Excuse me then01:43:00
something that was written there in these Telegrams01:43:02
channels the view was in the morning it was public01:43:06
seen in the morning and the day before even more so01:43:09
I'll tell you that under the federal agency01:43:13
on national relations there is such01:43:15
agency Ministry practically exists01:43:17
so-called situation center01:43:20
which such things are tracked like this01:43:22
they are the day before01:43:24
sent a warning, including01:43:26
Makhachkala about the possibility of these Well not01:43:30
such Yes, but the possibility of kindling01:43:34
interethnic relations and social Well, here we go01:43:38
But these are our own again, these are not those who01:43:40
wants to demolish Putin These are not the ones who01:43:43
wants to demolish the State and why?01:43:45
then send a warning Well they01:43:47
that's how they work, they see Wait, that's how they work01:43:49
the way these people work is like this01:43:52
protection of these people. Sorry, that is01:43:55
when you see the crowd you have01:43:56
takes over the airport You have a job too01:43:58
Putin is captured and what difference does it make?01:44:02
big big difference big yes01:44:06
because we understand and share them01:44:09
anger that is, I understand correctly that01:44:11
if a man with a machine gun walks along01:44:13
Moscow to shoot people in the name of Putin01:44:15
then he won't be arrested, look, you don't01:44:16
did you notice that they01:44:18
these invaders were unarmed Well01:44:21
listen well today we were unarmed and01:44:23
tomorrow they will be besides who knew when01:44:25
did they run with weapons or not when01:44:28
you will be the head of the Federal01:44:30
security services you will receive01:44:32
such decisions are actually the same01:44:35
everything is clear yes This is exactly what the story is about01:44:37
This is the story of how Prigozhinsky MTS why01:44:40
why didn't he get demolished right away?01:44:43
on atoms because they weren’t the ones who went01:44:46
protect the president from corrupt officials and01:44:49
incompetent They are for Russia And these01:44:53
for Russia They are not against Russia it is01:44:55
Navalny is against Russia and these are for Russia01:44:57
and louder for Russia and Navalny01:44:59
Navalny sit and there are so many of them there01:45:02
During the days of arrest And here is the whole story01:45:06
That's why I'm talking about this and01:45:09
There is01:45:10
weakness of the Russian political system01:45:13
because the law is not one for everyone01:45:16
identical Well, that is, in the name of Putin01:45:18
you can basically do whatever you want01:45:21
Yes, this is news for you Well, honestly01:45:25
saying yes Well, Makhachkala showed it01:45:29
Let's just say, but Makhachkala is very much for me01:45:31
I really surprised you, apparently not very much No01:45:34
it surprised me but not because they01:45:37
they didn't let me in, I would like to say that01:45:39
and it went on like this for several hours01:45:41
how the rebellion lasted for 12 hours01:45:44
most yes But in this case power is like01:45:47
Dinosaur is still up to the brain01:45:49
it will come01:45:51
at01:45:52
re that it's not ours against ours it's not01:45:55
some misunderstandings And when your own people are against01:45:58
theirs but this01:45:59
confusion Yes, when it comes to what it is01:46:02
threat then the authorities begin to react01:46:04
pretty quickly anyway that's all01:46:07
a day is not calculated in two days But01:46:10
that there were indeed signals that01:46:13
what is it possible to pongu in the head with01:46:19
what is air, this is the FSB, these are border guards exactly01:46:23
but if we look now at how it was01:46:26
If anyone thinks that they passed on01:46:28
field via the terminal is deeply mistaken01:46:31
or through the Border Guards second group01:46:33
people broke the gate fence of everything01:46:37
airfield01:46:39
the fields were exactly where she passed while they were walking01:46:43
all the police are here01:46:46
everyday life01:46:47
kmi01:46:49
bykh01:46:51
Then01:46:54
50 is the group that actually belongs to Samoto01:46:57
and rushed to the bus then she01:46:59
the fence went through the fence So01:47:03
there it was also not a wild crowd that01:47:05
ran I didn't know where to run it was01:47:08
coordinated action by two groups01:47:10
one was distracting01:47:11
terminal which has something there01:47:19
there's a fence where there are two policemen, well01:47:22
fence at the airport Well, they rushed there01:47:25
and While they pulled it there, that is, this is it01:47:29
that's the story01:47:30
not simple you are talking about the fact that after all01:47:33
you don't see the system01:47:35
anti-Semitism of power in this story01:47:38
However, what do you think of the reaction? As a result, the authorities01:47:41
this story are the punishments that have already been discussed01:47:43
we know those arrests that01:47:45
carried out as far as you think01:47:49
adequate Well, first of all, we are not at the end yet01:47:52
we see only those people who are not the instigators01:47:55
Yes, not the organizers, nothing but just this01:47:58
direct people who are there for01:47:59
petty hooliganism is imprisoned Yes, and we are not01:48:02
we know this particular person He is there01:48:04
passed beyond the border line did not pass beat He01:48:07
after all, there is not a single process yet01:48:09
police officers in the hospital yes this is an attack01:48:12
on law enforcement agencies another article01:48:15
that's why we don't see it yet, but I love you01:48:18
I assure you that if it were like this01:48:20
God forbid01:48:22
it would be the same for the Ossetians01:48:25
the most Why do I say that01:48:27
special anti-Semitism no yes01:48:44
anti-beast when after Howl on Morley01:48:47
pork01:48:49
naked01:48:51
It was, excuse me, March of the year01:48:54
there was nothing, I already had sun at home01:48:57
that's why I'm talking about it Absolutely Yes and01:48:59
there were no investigations01:49:00
naturally so on, yes, but at the same time01:49:03
I repeat once again Yes, what is this question for01:49:06
power We are talking about power related01:49:09
not about anti-Semitism, but about Arab01:49:11
a policy that can be interpreted as01:49:13
anti-Semitism but this is not because they01:49:15
Jews again01:49:19
I repeat, like Bibi, like Netanyahu01:49:23
like Israel he always admired how01:49:25
little Israel talked about it and01:49:27
does not publicly fight back01:49:29
all kinds of terrorists When Russia01:49:31
waged war with the same Islamic01:49:33
terrorists and Israeli instructors01:49:35
were here and taught Well listen to this01:49:37
generally part of that xenophobia that01:49:38
flourishes in Russia, forgive me01:49:40
this is right, this is right, this is right, this is right, and this is this.01:49:43
Yes, without standing out, now the neighbor01:49:45
East without standing out anti-Semitism y'all01:49:47
forgot about Georgians when there was Georgian01:49:49
war yes When A was looking for Georgians in schools01:49:53
wasn't it like that and weren't the Chechens01:49:55
so it was, but accordingly, not on a visit01:50:00
hotels only rent out rooms01:50:02
to the Slavs we don’t know what we01:50:04
we don’t know all this or what, of course it is01:50:07
Herod is right, but precisely because this01:50:09
part and not the main part you understand this01:50:12
this is a really big problem01:50:14
the problem of education is a problem01:50:17
here's the story with the latest textbook01:50:20
Now now you would say about educational01:50:21
it’s just that now it’s as if power gives01:50:23
indulgence for this one here01:50:24
anti-Semitism is actually about once again if01:50:28
if the same thing happened with the Ossetians it would be01:50:30
the same thing but at the same time there is Israel A in01:50:34
which we now use is that01:50:37
Third world global south Yes condemns01:50:40
Israel we are now part of the global south01:50:42
and we are not part of European civilization01:50:45
together with them we condemn Israel without01:50:48
all sorts of nuances and subtleties, yes it is so in01:50:51
next time there will be01:50:53
otherwise Next time it will be different about this01:50:55
the problem of xenophobia is absolutely01:50:57
that's right, I'll remind you that even after writing01:51:00
a textbook that has passed all examinations01:51:02
this one here is Expulsion Yes01:51:05
peoples were forced to rewrite Yes01:51:07
because well Kadyrov is right Excuse me01:51:10
for this remark, both Kadyrov and the Ingush are right01:51:13
The Karachais are right too01:51:15
which yesterday was 80 years of eviction01:51:18
Karachais and everyone has already forgotten little01:51:21
people and Crimean Tatars and Armenians from01:51:24
Crimea was evicted and this policy in general01:51:28
Soviet power to evict peoples01:51:30
She gave birth to xenophobia Yes, all Armenians01:51:34
traitors All Crimean Tatars are traitors01:51:38
all Chechens are traitors That's all it was01:51:41
inhabited by people it's something, there's no smoke without01:51:44
fire, well now all Jews Yes, support01:51:46
Israel Yes there is no smoke without fire dair01:51:49
but This is a question of xenophobia What are you01:51:51
absolutely right and not just that01:51:55
anti-Semitism flourishes there, of course01:51:58
parts of the top are there They are all01:52:01
Most of them come from the committee01:52:03
state security where is it01:52:05
it was simple Well, again when ha01:52:08
arrives on an official visit apparently01:52:10
what kind of politics does Hamas A have today?01:52:13
Netanyahu is coming tomorrow, listen to this01:52:16
this is the game I repeat this this is the game01:52:19
Alexey Alekseevich Well, like many01:52:22
experts believe that this mode can01:52:24
use some dark feelings01:52:27
which every person has and knows how to do01:52:28
awaken and ride on them. And how much on01:52:31
in your opinion this is generally controlled01:52:32
energy And most importantly, is this a threat?01:52:36
does the regime perceive it as a threat when01:52:39
some part of the population puts their01:52:41
another identity higher than01:52:43
Russian identity because we01:52:45
we see that for example part Well we we can01:52:47
to say that at this moment people who01:52:49
were in Makhachka and other republics01:52:52
they put theirs probably Muslim01:52:54
identity Yes higher than identity01:52:57
Russian Well, I don’t really understand this01:53:00
case the word mode and because I tell you01:53:03
I can say about Putin Yes, I’m noble01:53:05
Putino vet actually Yes, that means Vladimir01:53:09
Putin always said that anyone01:53:11
nationalism Yes it will lead to destruction01:53:15
Russia and that’s why we were already like this01:53:18
forgot that the first political01:53:21
the prisoners were Russian01:53:23
nationalists and what the main political01:53:26
prisoners at least before the start01:53:28
wars were people who belonged01:53:30
for Limonov’s party, for example, yes, but for01:53:33
nationalism and imprisoned very strongly01:53:37
Banned organizations Look Yes01:53:39
Russians01:53:40
nationalists And not only Russians01:53:42
Naturally another question is what01:53:45
perhaps as competitors because they themselves01:53:47
played on this field no we didn’t play ourselves01:53:50
N imperiali he is not a nationalist he is an imperial01:53:55
real Yes, just like an imperialist01:54:00
It doesn't matter Whose blood you have, it matters You must01:54:03
being loyal to the state doesn't matter01:54:05
Russian, are you Ukrainian or Kazakh? This is not01:54:08
doesn't matter to him anyway01:54:11
there is how it could be an element of politics01:54:14
but he understands perfectly why01:54:18
NFS of the patriarch simultaneously with the wound and with01:54:23
lami Yes with and moms because he is the same01:54:26
demonstration he demonstrates that no01:54:29
Elina Judea Yes there are Russian citizens01:54:33
he’s an imperial again, I’m not saying that myself01:54:36
Putin played on this but nevertheless there was01:54:39
Rodina party led by Rogozin01:54:41
literally completely these are those who01:54:44
removed from01:54:46
elections were just removed from the elections01:54:50
and turned into marginalized people once again We01:54:53
we still remember, but where from Zaporozhye01:54:57
region of the federation right here on01:54:59
pensions Yes, that means more01:55:02
since these guys are around Putin, these are former01:55:06
GBSHnik they are imperials01:55:08
Yes, the Soviet Union is an Empire01:55:12
The revival of the Soviet Union is01:55:14
I don't care about the Empire01:55:18
empire01:55:20
in and fundamentally at the heart of their policy they can01:55:23
to use some people against others01:55:24
Of course they can TM of course well of course01:55:29
the same as any authoritarian regime When01:55:32
need to defend himself, he raises them01:55:35
questions but if we are talking about politics and01:55:38
not about the Semitic movement01:55:40
back then we understand that it’s our own01:55:45
dest s01:55:48
steal it01:55:50
Empire is the story of Leonid Brezhnev01:55:53
which I spoke about back during01:55:55
war in his award sheet he wrote that01:55:58
he is Ukrainian I have a copy of the award01:56:02
sheet of forty-four Brezh he01:56:04
wrote Ukrainian Native language Ukrainian01:56:06
then he01:56:11
crossed out, you understand, not because there01:56:13
Khrushchev or he hid that they were not Ukrainian01:56:18
it was a shame to be Ukrainian and Russian01:56:20
Soviet let's not play with terms01:56:23
here But at the same time of course01:56:26
and raising the most01:56:31
dark depths in man01:56:35
politics when we need to raise what01:56:38
called when necessary01:56:40
let's raise this is really the current one01:56:42
the team thinks so right I want to be on time with01:56:46
you e01:56:48
talk01:56:50
would01:56:53
wow How do you explain to yourself what’s going on01:56:56
seems to continue to happen to them01:56:59
done01:57:00
you did it painfully, what I want is for you01:57:04
say here01:57:05
what is comparison01:57:09
probably too bold, but we remember01:57:12
Mandelstam and about his poem For01:57:15
what he01:57:18
crooks01:57:20
leaders and broad chested Ossetian01:57:24
and very influential people came to01:57:28
very high altitudes regarding Petrik and01:57:33
Berkovich, I’m not even talking about why01:57:35
about Israel, too, inside the Russian01:57:39
establishment and got turned away01:57:43
the turn is not around01:57:46
the performance is not for the performance that's what it is01:57:51
there were some01:57:53
and the papers were reported to the very top01:57:57
once To the very top here to the top to the top yes I01:58:01
I don’t know I know what was reported Because01:58:04
that the people who came in01:58:06
Well, with a huge resource they came out with01:58:10
empty-handed and they came for simple01:58:13
Well, let's get home, it's a shame, it's right01:58:16
not in the Soviet sense01:58:20
wait, oh, telephone law, oh, wait01:58:22
Well, telephone rights have always been there01:58:25
why in the Soviet understanding also a01:58:27
Why read Brodsky?01:58:30
transcript of the trial of Brodsky for what01:58:34
But for what not here Well here for what Yes01:58:40
parasite Yes parasite And as a result and01:58:43
that is what we are actually dealing with01:58:47
I'm with Zoya Svetovaya, I heard how it is01:58:49
you were I agree with her This is some kind of01:58:53
Revenge of some very high01:58:55
persons Well, that’s how we know Volodya Murza01:58:58
why Volodya Murza for the Magnitsky law01:59:01
and the end of the story Volodya Murza for what01:59:04
He01:59:07
lobbying by the senator Yes practically01:59:10
were the main lobbies in Congress and then01:59:13
and in Europe the Magnitsky Act is Revenge01:59:16
according to the Magnitsky law they were taken there01:59:18
personal qi of very tall people is01:59:21
Revenge is also a feeling here01:59:25
revenge, let's say, in contrast to the trial of Sasha01:59:27
skachenko where I see just01:59:30
sadism, I see what the Judge is doing.01:59:33
that's how Demisheva is Yes Oksana is cheap01:59:36
Viktorovna, in my opinion, well, it’s simple01:59:39
sadism And this has nothing to do with Revenge01:59:43
judges01:59:45
yes I repeat as far as I know we came in01:59:50
Yes, very high persons whose places01:59:52
impossible01:59:54
Here01:59:56
go around and straight, what kind of question is this?02:00:00
house arrest No one is talking02:00:01
now justify there Change the measure02:00:04
suppression bracelet put on security02:00:07
put it there, well, the story is there with your daughters02:00:09
this is just terrible02:00:14
yes otherwise yes explain02:00:18
it is impossible to explain any other explanation02:00:20
I’m not here and therefore it’s like we’re all ours02:00:24
the attempts we still have are weak Yes02:00:27
like us and agents, not everything works out for us02:00:29
us our attempts Okay I repeat people02:00:34
high-ranking seriously real02:00:36
they came in seriously and got a beating02:00:38
Alexey Alekseevich 2 minutes for the last02:00:41
question Yes, you collected questions for02:00:44
Yavlinsky Yes tomorrow Grigory Alekseevich02:00:46
will be with us at 1300 And right away02:00:50
warned that all insults are all02:00:52
rhetorical and so on I have a simple one02:00:54
you question yourself02:00:56
can you imagine02:00:57
Yavlinsky can be a unifying02:01:00
figure No today no because02:01:05
initially part of the opposition initially02:01:10
just sit quietly, she’s not Yavlinsky02:01:13
will take on She initially02:01:15
believes02:01:17
he can't be a candidate So she02:01:20
will never support him in the first place02:01:23
And that's all, that's all, that's all right here02:01:26
looks much better in this sense02:01:29
Nadezhdin's figure in this sense is for me02:01:33
look at the view of the observer because02:01:35
he doesn't call you know during elections02:01:38
There is02:01:39
is the anti-rating of Yes U Nadezhda but he02:01:41
small and all his words are correct02:01:44
Yes, here are all the words, cut off the signature02:01:46
publish it oh it's Navalny02:01:50
You see, cut off this bulk here02:01:52
just cut off his signature02:01:54
anti-rating within the opposition from Grigory02:01:56
Alekseevich has a huge anti-rating02:01:58
perceived differently and how02:02:00
competitor and as a decoy Yes and so02:02:04
both the fifth and the tenth, so it’s unlikely02:02:08
everything seems unlikely, everything can be everything02:02:13
strong02:02:14
opposition leaders they are if Yavlinsky02:02:17
will be registered they will perform in it02:02:19
support is here in 5 minutes02:02:22
Khodorkovsky Ask him yes And for what02:02:26
fair of course part is fair02:02:29
because he disappointed a lot of people02:02:31
he disappointed a lot of people and But with02:02:34
on the other hand, he is a competitor to many people02:02:36
everyone will also shout spoiler spoiler and02:02:39
so who's spoiling? I'm just02:02:41
Alexey Alekseevich remembered how Yalo even02:02:44
sued the echo of Moscow, we are still with02:02:47
Grigory Alekseevich on this topic02:02:49
of course she sued And they sued and02:02:51
to this commission Well, yes, I talked about that02:02:55
that apple is Jurassic Party Nothing02:02:57
I didn’t say anything new, but it means mine02:02:59
point of view that any person who02:03:02
now has the courage to say that02:03:05
military action against Ukraine is02:03:07
Putin's mistake says Here inside02:03:10
Russia he leaves and says it’s a mistake02:03:13
Putin is to blame for this war, he says02:03:16
our02:03:17
air deserves some kind of bonus and02:03:21
Nadezhdin and he and any candidate who02:03:24
it says because today you are on Echo02:03:28
Moscow And tomorrow you will be like Volodya Murza02:03:31
on the eve of Echo of Moscow and then you’re in a cell02:03:33
vk6 today Yes, I just want to remind you02:03:37
before I leave that at your request02:03:39
I mean at the request of the audience And we02:03:42
raked out the remains of the circulation of Pastukhov's book02:03:46
Can you leave one for me at the end?02:03:49
I'll go out now and tell you they brought it02:03:52
from from the publishing house So on02:03:55
Shant Media now has remaining circulation from02:03:59
postcard from Vladimir Borisovich Pastukhov02:04:02
It's a good gift to give this02:04:04
Let me remind you that now the guys will have Mikhail02:04:06
Khodorkovsky who moved me from02:04:09
my usual place I will remind him of this02:04:12
not only does he move me, I move him too02:04:15
Can02:04:17
move grateful Apparently what what02:04:21
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in a week not next week02:04:53
Andrey Movchan agreed He will02:04:55
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12 on Tuesday 12 pm Immediately after02:05:00
morning spread Dada we will02:05:02
they ask me to lift it up there. It hurts to hear02:05:05
at 12 pm Immediately after the morning turn02:05:07
when I get up at 4 am for the morning02:05:09
spread I can offer Aleksashenko in02:05:12
4 am Moscow time and so he will be02:05:17
happy02:05:19
Yes, we listen to the news and wait for Mikhail02:05:22
Khodakovsky02:05:25
[music]02:05:38
former publisher of the media zone Peter02:05:40
Verzilov was sentenced in absentia to 8 years imprisonment02:05:43
years in prison in the case of military fakes and02:05:45
in exchange for publications about the murder of civilians02:05:47
residents in the storm of 2022 Sota clarifies02:05:51
that today the defense submitted a certificate02:05:53
Ukrainian notary about the fact that bruzilov02:05:55
I was in the storm and saw everything with my own eyes, Peter02:05:58
Verzilov left Russia back in 202002:06:02
year, the Russian court satisfied the Claim02:06:05
Prosecutor General's Office and took it away from the Ukrainian02:06:07
owners of the Conte confectionery factory02:06:10
Russian court in Kursk explained nationalization02:06:12
because the owners of the company include02:06:15
Rinat Akhmetov's group financed the ASU02:06:17
denunciation of the factory on his own02:06:19
a famous social activist wrote a confession02:06:22
Vitaly02:06:23
Borodin Russian Ambassador to Washington02:06:26
Anatoly Antonov claims that the Russians02:06:28
living in the United States02:06:30
America is under attack from02:06:33
Ukrainian diaspora American02:06:35
intelligence agencies and I quote traitors02:06:37
Antonov told compatriots in02:06:39
broadcast on Channel One that they live in the USA02:06:41
millions of Russians are inclined towards Russia02:06:44
positive but they are scared and afraid02:06:46
talk openly about what you are facing02:06:49
haven't commented on these yet02:06:52
statements the Hamas movement is ready for02:06:55
a complete compromise on the exchange issue02:06:57
prisoners with Israel reported02:06:59
representative of the leadership of the Ghazi movement02:07:01
Hamat in an interview with NBC New as02:07:04
notes the Israel TV channel is unlikely02:07:06
agree to such a step According to the latest02:07:09
according to the Israeli Defense Forces Hamas02:07:11
holds 24202:07:13
person's chamber of congress02:07:17
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allocate $14 billion in aid to Israel02:07:22
Ukraine is not included in the White House02:07:24
stated that the bill is absolutely not02:07:26
meets the interests of national02:07:28
US security and its president02:07:33
Zavitinsk assistance for $106 billion02:07:36
most of which should go to02:07:38
financing02:07:40
Ukraine Chief Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences02:07:43
Researcher at the Institute of Software02:07:45
name systems02:07:46
Ena Amov was released from home detention02:07:49
no arrests were made02:07:51
apply for an extension of the measure02:07:53
suppression reported to Kommersant02:07:55
Yaroslavl regional court criminal02:07:57
a case was initiated against the scientist02:08:00
article on the financing of extremist02:08:01
activities in 2006 Sergey Abramov02:08:04
received the Russian Government Prize in02:08:06
fields of science and technology for the development02:08:10
supercomputers of the Skif family02:08:13
global satellite internet network02:08:15
Starlink reaches breakeven02:08:18
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satellites, the founder of X announced on the social network02:08:23
Spacex in Mac by September 202302:08:27
year number of Starlin subscribers throughout02:08:29
the world reached 2 million spacex concluded02:08:33
first contract with Space Force02:08:35
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to the military of Kovsky We must first02:08:47
pause for 10 seconds and then02:08:50
continue Although I always say 1002:08:52
seconds but in fact it’s not 10 seconds but02:08:54
it turns out more Mikhail Borisovich02:09:15
Hello02:09:17
begin02:09:20
Mikhail Khodorkovsky on our air02:09:21
Hello Mikhail Borisovich02:09:23
hello let's start with the elections02:09:27
twenty-four, that's some02:09:29
hot phase of public discussion02:09:31
stayed behind met discussed02:09:35
everything is there More understanding yes of course Well02:09:38
in any case, I'm absolutely sure02:09:40
my colleagues have02:09:43
anti-war everything is, that is, I just02:09:46
I don't know they told me everything02:09:49
and there is an understanding that the company02:09:54
will go under the slogan No to Putin02:09:57
And I don’t know how this will be implemented02:10:01
in the media in the media sphere but essentially02:10:05
By02:10:06
his02:10:07
all organizations came to the conclusion02:10:11
what is the most to date02:10:14
effective story related to02:10:17
opposition to those pseudo elections and02:10:20
to the regime that conducts them02:10:22
And there are no discrepancies here yet02:10:26
thinking about how to act02:10:29
directly on voting day Well I02:10:33
I think some ideas will be found02:10:35
which our authorities will not like02:10:37
Mikhail Bach seems promising to you02:10:40
someone's idea to try02:10:43
register Well try02:10:46
register here02:10:49
In a practical sense02:10:50
But I don’t see it. I personally don’t see it like that.02:10:55
expediency Well, simply because02:10:57
to get registration02:11:00
it is necessary to coordinate this with the Kremlin02:11:03
even to02:11:05
e collect signatures in Russia Well then02:11:11
say being with oriented02:11:14
registration and this is of course also necessary02:11:18
agree with the Kremlin otherwise02:11:20
case, so to speak, those people who by this02:11:22
will be engaged simply will be imprisoned and02:11:25
so to speak, the result is so significant02:11:28
at the same time the idea itself will not02:11:32
related to the collection of signatures for02:11:34
independent candidates02:11:36
e for candidates whose slogan is no to Putin02:11:40
no to war and this is one of those political02:11:43
actions currently being considered02:11:46
different groups and it is quite possible that02:11:50
for mobilization here are parts of parts02:11:54
supporters of these political groups02:11:56
will be of interest to us02:11:59
agreed that similar02:12:01
we will try to help initiatives02:12:04
Bori and collecting signatures abroad02:12:08
someone as far as you even think about this idea02:12:10
as attractive as you think she is02:12:12
interesting, this is also a method02:12:14
realize how many people left and how02:12:18
many people of them are ready02:12:21
participate in some kind of political02:12:23
life of the country Well Anastasia Burakova02:12:26
Project Ark Anti-War Committee she02:12:28
is engaged in the solution of this02:12:31
tasks together with your colleagues02:12:34
project there on the first flight They they02:12:37
They've been doing this for about a month now and I...02:12:39
it seems that in general it’s quite02:12:41
productive idea for02:12:45
consolidate some of our supporters02:12:48
who are abroad plus give02:12:51
some impulse to those young people who02:12:53
want to prove themselves as02:12:56
political figures So in this02:12:59
I mean, it’s a great project, I’m quite02:13:02
I look at him with interest, you know we02:13:05
so we talked to Venediktov and02:13:08
two names were heard at the end of the broadcast02:13:11
this is Yavlinsky and Nadezhdin respectively02:13:14
Maxim asked Maybe lilin is such a fig02:13:18
for the opposition and Venediktov said that02:13:21
rather Nadezhdin, how do you look at this?02:13:24
these two names02:13:27
I am convinced that neither Yavlensky02:13:46
Nadezhensky Kato is the most impotent02:13:49
message form02:13:53
anti-war agitation then it's in02:13:56
in general and not02:13:59
candidate at all yes for the opposition at all02:14:03
there is from this point of view I don’t think02:14:07
it's too productive but I'll do it again02:14:09
I'll say the same as me02:14:11
answered to02:14:15
appeal of the jellyfish who sewed me together02:14:18
regarding Navalny's letter, I said that I02:14:21
very ready02:14:23
wide02:14:25
within the framework of seeking compromise02:14:28
solutions to simply opposition02:14:31
consolidate so to speak if suddenly02:14:34
which I personally don't believe in02:14:37
I believe the opposition will decide that Yavlinsky is there02:14:42
or there I don’t know I hope he’s good02:14:46
candidate is a good idea, well I am02:14:49
I won’t say too much, but02:14:51
I just have a doubt what is it02:14:54
will happen02:14:55
nevertheless, Mikhail Borisovich, what are you02:14:58
said it says that while you are02:15:02
themselves, even for themselves personally While still in02:15:04
looking for a strategy it's not so I'll do it again02:15:07
I will repeat02:15:09
strategy it is developed strategy no02:15:12
Putin yes, but exactly how is it02:15:14
it will be good to find tactics, but what02:15:18
the search for tactics will continue02:15:20
at least until Putin's announcement02:15:24
candidate This is absolutely because02:15:26
that there is some kind of surprise between the opposition02:15:30
and the power the power looks at what we are02:15:33
we will take steps we look02:15:36
what steps will they take?02:15:38
because in general in many ways we will02:15:41
sneaking each other on mistakes and02:15:43
to oppose each other in an attempt02:15:47
they are trying to stop us02:15:50
them02:15:58
legitimism continue tactical02:16:00
decisions will be taken But the main thing is what we are talking about02:16:03
Deal02:16:04
what unites us is02:16:08
e demonstration to people is our main02:16:11
the problem we want to solve is02:16:13
demonstrate to people in Russia that02:16:16
they are actually against Putin this02:16:19
this is a very funny psychological thing02:16:21
problem encountered02:16:24
society in many authoritarian regimes02:16:27
and the most famous example is02:16:30
Romania with Ceausescu when everyone is in02:16:34
individual person in society against02:16:36
dictator02:16:37
but he also thinks that he might be there02:16:40
several people close to him02:16:42
relatives with whom he has02:16:44
opportunity to talk frankly02:16:46
also against the dictator but that's all02:16:48
the rest are for it and that's why he doesn't do anything02:16:50
does I02:16:52
here to help people break through this one02:16:55
information bubble created in connection02:16:58
with the fact that people are just frankly afraid02:17:01
talk to each other because of repression02:17:04
Well, or more precisely because of the demonstration02:17:06
repression because for real02:17:07
mass repressions have not yet begun like this02:17:11
break through this information bubble02:17:14
every person is our task to02:17:17
people realized that in fact not only02:17:20
he specifically is not only his loved ones02:17:22
relatives not only his acquaintances02:17:24
in general, most people in Russia Even02:17:27
those you know, even those who are for02:17:30
they are actually fighting against Putin02:17:33
because, well, everyone is tired of Putin, that is02:17:36
I think he's already tired of him02:17:38
to his own environment Well, just him02:17:40
own environment understands that and for02:17:43
these are the last ones02:17:45
happy months02:17:48
and they strive for them Well, maybe even02:17:50
extend it a little bit But of course he does them all02:17:53
before how do you feel it Mikha where are you from02:17:55
you know, listen, I'm unlike those02:18:00
people who have to fear from02:18:05
Togo02:18:06
that something will happen to them not only those02:18:10
who is in Russia this often02:18:12
are afraid, but also those who are behind02:18:14
border because in Russia02:18:15
relatives in Russia I want friends02:18:18
from time to time I go these problems02:18:21
deprived That is, I say so I don’t know02:18:23
I might run into a newbie02:18:26
but everything else doesn't bother me so to speak02:18:28
It’s not particularly scary and it’s so annoying02:18:32
so people talk to me02:18:37
quite frankly because well I02:18:38
like a famous person my02:18:40
relationship with Vladimi Vladimirovich02:18:42
is also known, so to speak, it’s clear02:18:45
that nothing is leaking from me anywhere02:18:49
so I'm talking to a huge02:18:52
number of people02:18:54
both outside Russia and in Russia I02:18:57
I'll say that02:18:59
Of course there are people who, even02:19:02
frank02:19:04
conversation are supporters02:19:06
Putin has many people who are02:19:10
supporters of war Well enough02:19:12
there's a lot02:19:15
node these are the ones that are02:19:18
There are radically fewer Putin supporters02:19:21
than even supporters of war, that is, if02:19:24
I can appreciate people who say02:19:28
you know the war Of course we started but02:19:32
it was a mistake but now we can't02:19:35
lose and so on These are the ones in02:19:38
let's say in my information bubble02:19:41
enough02:19:42
wide of those living in Russia Well02:19:46
maybe02:19:48
but there is an understanding of how to break through this02:19:51
bubble here and people I will finish and people02:19:55
they say that Putin is cool and02:19:58
It would be nice if he still stayed Well02:20:03
damn lately not at all02:20:05
I met you like this a couple of months ago Well02:20:09
probably there02:20:16
one thing is that this is what people think02:20:19
in fact others are all for How02:20:22
punch you know I'm not the best02:20:25
talented media and not the most talented02:20:29
invent political action I02:20:32
I prefer that someone comes up with something02:20:35
And I will support this from the entire Proletarskaya02:20:39
Honestly Bori, you mentioned Shes and his regime02:20:43
You know, I was recently just at02:20:44
film festival in02:20:46
Romania met their current02:20:48
political reality there02:20:51
Renaissance of love for Ceausescu you are so you02:20:54
things like that don't upset you, of course02:20:58
upset listen so to speak02:21:00
us Renaissance of love for Stalin so02:21:02
say the person who killed this02:21:06
the number of Russians is a person who is well02:21:09
or at that time Soviet people02:21:11
a person who is essentially because of whom02:21:14
the war with Germany is not the strongest02:21:18
the enemy must be noted with the country02:21:21
which 20 years earlier lost02:21:25
the world war was as if we02:21:27
today they said yes under sanctions02:21:31
and all these 20 years and02:21:35
that's what this war has become like this02:21:38
Bloody for the Soviet Union Well this is02:21:41
absolutely exactly that's all02:21:42
historians agree on this This is the result02:21:45
heroic activity02:21:48
people understand this but02:21:53
they love him less Yes, many frankly02:21:57
love it Well here it is02:22:00
famous famous Stockholm02:22:03
the syndrome is passed down from generation to generation02:22:06
V02:22:07
generation you read the book Avina time02:22:16
Berio was told that such a book02:22:18
winner Oh loser yes because02:22:20
Pyotr Avin behaved exactly like that at this moment02:22:23
Maybe02:22:24
felt now we see as representatives02:22:27
Alpha groups including saying phrases02:22:30
like we regret that we invested in02:22:32
Western countries Yes and so on How do you02:22:35
assess the situation as you see it02:22:37
today what is happening with these like02:22:39
it was customary to say before02:22:42
oligarch in a dream02:22:46
St.02:22:47
I have no doubt at all, it's absolutely02:22:50
exactly like that just because he is his02:22:52
I survived this too. By the way, I hope02:22:56
will happen to everyone present at this02:23:00
transmission in relation to Putin We are all02:23:03
we will be winners I hope because02:23:05
We hope we'll survive it02:23:08
and in everything else, well, I think that02:23:13
Alpha group02:23:16
And02:23:18
Peter Avin personally behaved quite well02:23:20
traditional02:23:21
method Here they are Every time02:23:24
faced with an acute situation02:23:28
tried to hide somewhere under02:23:32
snag and in general for the time being it02:23:36
it was a winning strategy indeed02:23:39
in fact, we must understand that the songs are sung about02:23:43
Brave and Survive02:23:46
cowardly, now we see how this02:23:48
strategy is not02:23:52
worked no longer worked already possible02:23:54
Yes, you can already say this, of course02:23:56
to say that it didn't work02:23:58
there we see02:24:00
what is the choice they made for02:24:03
they are very difficult both from the point of view02:24:06
reputational and from the point of view02:24:09
from a financial point of view and obviously02:24:13
that of course they can, well, save some02:24:18
opportunities because accumulated02:24:21
There are a lot of resources in general, but I doubt it02:24:24
that they feel comfortable already02:24:27
throughout these last two02:24:30
years and oh life goes on and you feel02:24:35
feel bad and ask them to choose what they02:24:39
could have done something else02:24:44
so that we just seem to be with them02:24:49
conceptual discrepancy for me02:24:52
money has always been a tool that is02:24:54
that's when I was doing yukoso for me02:24:58
it was important a lot of money because there02:25:00
there were gigantic projects and they required02:25:04
It's just a gigantic amount of money02:25:06
and now I have02:25:10
there are no such projects of this scale I02:25:13
I mean production projects and02:25:15
accordingly I feel absolutely02:25:17
I feel comfortable with much less02:25:20
resources But my choice would be which I02:25:24
I frankly recommended it to them02:25:27
Hey guys here02:25:31
uh money02:25:33
it's enough even if you give up everything02:25:36
you have it in Russia, just drop it02:25:38
everything And you have enough money, you all no longer02:25:41
so young guys02:25:43
but it will be much easier on the soul02:25:47
it’s easier because the same Friedman02:25:51
Well, I highly doubt that he doesn't have02:25:54
these spiritual ties with Ukraine02:25:56
Surely there is because you know Mikhail02:25:58
Borisovich the man told me02:26:00
close to Friedman's negotiations with02:26:01
Ukraine as they walked approximately if02:26:04
in short, Friedman seems to say I02:26:07
ready to give02:26:08
10% and Ukraine answers him We are ready02:26:11
leave you 10% and in this sense how02:26:15
the dialogue wouldn't work02:26:17
Listen, first of all he said they02:26:20
talked about Ukrainian assets Yes02:26:22
of course of course about Ukrainian assets02:26:25
Ukrainian assets would give everything to Ukraine02:26:27
I just didn't even bargain02:26:30
Take away all Russian assets02:26:33
I left it just take it away please02:26:37
we'll sue later but now02:26:39
take away what is behind02:26:45
border for his team is enough I02:26:48
I think there is significantly more there02:26:51
billion dollars for each Well02:26:53
significantly more and well this money02:26:56
a person who has already turned 60 there02:26:59
someone is 65 Well, that's more than02:27:02
enough for the rest of your life you just02:27:05
learned some kind of Zen02:27:07
special take away all the assets in this02:27:10
country it sounds very02:27:13
allowances why populist Well here it is02:27:20
Buddhist Well, I don’t understand, we live Well02:27:25
or to leave behind02:27:28
some Trace02:27:30
or to have fun Well there you go02:27:32
I have no other motives02:27:37
I see here not the pleasure of not decent02:27:40
trace Well, so to speak Well, what the hell02:27:44
then what the hell is this money for? Well02:27:46
I don't know if he wanted them02:27:48
wanted to build a pyramid of Cheops Yes there02:27:51
I don't know or anything and that's it02:27:54
say I will do anything, I will do anything02:27:57
compromises But I decided there I don’t know02:28:00
to master Mars yes And so here are these for me02:28:03
there are 20 billion Well, that’s why pitchforks are needed02:28:06
what, otherwise I'm not Mars02:28:09
master02:28:14
such people but when a person says and I02:28:19
ready to live sucks I02:28:23
ready to grovel so to speak I'm ready02:28:27
so that they would spit after me, but for02:28:31
so that after your death02:28:35
leave not a billion but 20 billion more02:28:39
It’s unclear who is like this with the heirs02:28:41
to say with whom I would really like02:28:44
leaving these 20 billion is not so clear.02:28:46
my02:28:49
look, I can easily explain this to myself02:28:52
I can’t Well, sincerely, this is not because02:28:54
what can I say, I have a bad attitude02:28:58
to riches or something like that Well,02:29:02
I can't explain to myself when you02:29:03
you take it so to speak and begin to serve02:29:06
money is good on the other hand on yours02:29:10
look I treat them fairly02:29:15
now Justice in our world here I am02:29:19
it's very unsatisfactory02:29:20
I love it because it02:29:23
so blurry from whose point of view02:29:26
fair from the point of view of people who02:29:28
Now it's under bombing Well of course02:29:30
rightly we are under bombing and these freaks02:29:33
where do we enter by the way all of you Yes02:29:37
they are like that02:29:39
say not under bombing that's why it's02:29:42
unfair Well, someone else02:29:45
decides02:29:47
Is what’s happening to them justified? Well02:29:49
yes justified because sitting on two02:29:52
chairs in conditions When this happens02:29:54
it's so tough02:29:57
the discrepancy is practically difficult02:29:59
impossible because on the one hand02:30:01
The barricades want you to say so02:30:04
decided on the other side and when you02:30:06
you sit in the middle and bullets fly in from02:30:08
both sides Well yes, that's why02:30:11
happens absolutely justified I would like02:30:13
I wish they spoke to them differently02:30:17
Well, yes, in a sense I would like that02:30:19
yes it seems to me02:30:21
that the West could more clearly define02:30:24
rules of the game and say what02:30:27
here are the rules you want02:30:30
agree then you say so02:30:33
you get02:30:35
some02:30:37
dividends do not comply with these rules02:30:39
then you don't get it I'm generally a supporter02:30:42
this is the legal certainty I have02:30:44
spoke many times in the West02:30:47
to all politicians and in general me02:30:52
heard but I can't say what it is02:30:56
found 100% support02:30:58
one simple02:31:00
reason02:31:02
too political Well, in general, like me02:31:05
Of course we understand how big it is02:31:09
the likelihood of corruption and people just02:31:13
afraid to contact here02:31:17
with the definition of some rules for02:31:19
big money Well, because they are afraid that02:31:22
they will be accused of something Well, in the end02:31:25
in fact I hope these rules02:31:27
will still be developed and so02:31:31
well yes there are no rules well yes I would have to02:31:34
I would have to risk saying that here I am02:31:38
on this side of the Barricades Yes people I'm ready02:31:42
that I still have to say that02:31:44
get hurt because I did it there02:31:46
not on the first and not the second day after02:31:48
the beginning of the war and well, that means I’ll suffer02:31:52
I’ll suffer, I’m counting on having you all02:31:55
Not02:31:56
will be taken away knowing the Western approach I firmly02:32:00
I’m sure it’s not like everything wouldn’t have been taken away02:32:03
almost nothing would be taken away Well, except02:32:06
what is in Ukraine02:32:08
A02:32:10
But people said We need guarantees Well02:32:14
Who will give you Gara during the war?02:32:18
Mikha02:32:19
Borisovich yes Ir Come on if you want02:32:21
because my next topic is big02:32:23
So what's your next topic? Well then02:32:26
asked me I'll start asking this then02:32:29
question The fact is that the reaction of the Western02:32:32
world on what is happening in02:32:34
gas in general is quite different02:32:37
from how she reacted, for example02:32:39
Russian Democratic02:32:41
the public I see the judgment that02:32:45
Tetos call themselves liberals - those who02:32:47
call themselves democrats from Russian02:32:49
the oppositionists turned out to be in general02:32:51
to the right02:32:52
Netanyahu in his rhetoric to yours02:32:55
view Khavic why did this happen Well I02:32:58
I don't know about Law and Netanyahu02:33:01
Now I hear Republicans in America02:33:04
They're quite02:33:07
take on this topic understandable to me02:33:13
position I generally think02:33:20
This02:33:22
a problem in a society that has been around for a long time02:33:25
without war this is a problem of society02:33:29
whose political representatives02:33:32
graduated from good schools and universities02:33:36
and did not live not only in the countries of the Third02:33:41
Peace but in general even in bad neighborhoods02:33:45
CX of your own cities you say so02:33:47
like it's something bad02:33:49
But this is exactly what I wanted to get to02:33:52
here you are Absolutely correct question02:33:54
on the one hand it's very good02:33:56
it gives people the opportunity to be kind02:34:01
cute tolerant wonderful and with them02:34:05
It's very nice to talk to them too02:34:07
It's nice to do business, so to speak02:34:10
they will always think about how well you should be02:34:15
not uncomfortable and the like sun02:34:18
great until02:34:20
someone appears02:34:22
Putin or some Hamas is not02:34:24
the war begins and at this moment these02:34:28
wonderful people turn out to be02:34:31
absolutely nothing to do with it02:34:35
that their entire expression of opinion is02:34:40
lies in the words Well, how is it that people02:34:44
Well, how so02:34:47
cool I say02:34:49
I and people do this, I did this as a child02:34:53
seen many times and saw a lot in my youth02:34:55
I've seen a lot as an adult02:34:58
since you haven’t seen it, you don’t know what02:35:00
in this situation what to do And I know I know02:35:03
that when you meet in an alley where02:35:06
there are never any police with02:35:09
fifteen scumbag is the only one02:35:11
your chance is not02:35:13
leave beaten, robbed so to speak and not02:35:16
God forbid if you ended up there with a girl02:35:19
Yes, this is your only chance02:35:22
the cruelest02:35:24
way to beat the first of them02:35:27
beat anyone like that02:35:31
So that the teeth are in different directions and in02:35:36
possibilities with inflicting things on him here in02:35:39
in this case you have a chance02:35:42
in all other cases02:35:44
Well02:35:46
oh and here it is02:35:51
lack of understanding of the current situation02:35:54
leads to this in the case of America02:35:56
For example02:35:57
that Americans are now in this world02:36:01
our world the third world and we are already02:36:04
densely in this very Third World they consider02:36:07
weak and because weak it’s not02:36:10
means like in a good school no02:36:16
hein and vice versa pat on the head no02:36:20
If02:36:21
weak means beat him02:36:24
weak other incentives and then02:36:29
that now the USA is rich and weak from the point of view02:36:33
public perception Yes02:36:35
lead to all this02:36:37
these are the events that started in full swing02:36:41
roll around the world and at some point02:36:43
the number of these hooligans will become so02:36:46
that this one here is healthy [ __ ]' [ __ ] yeah02:36:49
which they actually are02:36:51
The United States simply can't stand it.02:36:54
They just can’t stand it And the United02:36:56
States a huge part of their wealth02:37:00
it exists due to external freedom02:37:03
trade freedom of movement of people ideas02:37:06
capital and so on, that is, the whole world02:37:08
Naturally, this benefits if we02:37:10
now from02:37:11
globalization from here back we will lose everything02:37:15
mi prize on average 30% welfare02:37:19
it’s just that if we are now deputy in02:37:21
their national apartments like this02:37:24
it was before the fifties Well before the beginning02:37:27
in the sixties we will lose 30% of our02:37:30
welfare is all but Americans02:37:33
will lose more Well, simply because02:37:35
their economy is bigger02:37:37
and they spend more on foreign trade02:37:41
I'm not tied02:37:44
that that dream that they have someone has02:37:48
someone understands it, they don't understand it02:37:51
understands in Europe they understand this02:37:54
Naturally Eastern European countries02:37:57
understand But such countries are traditional02:38:00
Western Europe is only understood02:38:03
old people here I am when I was in Germany02:38:06
I met there02:38:10
with such a very respected audience where02:38:13
were there02:38:14
representatives02:38:17
various organizations so to speak02:38:20
from newspapers02:38:22
to the Ministry of Defense so to speak02:38:26
Well, there was such a wide circle of experts02:38:30
there was one person among them02:38:33
such02:38:35
A clear representative of the Cold War02:38:39
war, here he is the only one in the audience02:38:42
which I didn't need anything02:38:44
explain02:38:46
we were just absolutely on the same wavelength02:38:49
he understood everything perfectly well in exactly the same way02:38:52
like me and everyone else Well, alas, that’s why02:38:57
when I look at the wonderful02:39:00
people who02:39:04
talk about how they wanted02:39:08
that's just how they are02:39:13
love Hamas as they say so Well02:39:17
it's actually the same thing02:39:22
defend02:39:24
defend their different values as well02:39:26
tortured and so on And now, well, they02:39:29
were simply forced to become02:39:32
terrorists but I have something to do with it02:39:37
such02:39:39
you know, it’s a bit harsh, that is, I have a question02:39:43
simple here you can02:39:47
purposefully not by chance as an incidental02:39:51
collateral damage02:39:53
It's possible to purposefully kill children02:39:56
it's just that you have some kind of goal02:39:59
no matter how good she is, she's important02:40:01
say Come and cut off the child's head02:40:04
this is what was done in02:40:07
Israel if you think it is possible02:40:11
talk about this02:40:14
find02:40:16
and probably until you02:40:20
try to implement or help02:40:23
to the one who implements it Well, I will02:40:25
just consider you a beast. What if you02:40:28
will you implement it or help?02:40:31
to the one who implements it Well, I'm done02:40:33
I will do so that you stop your02:40:36
existence Well, probably another02:40:39
option to explain the situation02:40:43
when people don't understand a simple truth02:40:46
that purposefully kill children for the sake of02:40:49
political goals are not allowed Well, probably02:40:52
there is no other way, these people often02:40:55
pretend it's the seventh02:40:56
did not exist at all That is, they02:40:58
support for Hamas comes somehow separately from02:41:00
on the seventh Well, I'll do it again while they02:41:03
nothing practical about this02:41:06
direction don't do I'm just ready02:41:09
count them02:41:12
Skomi Skomi either say in a bad way02:41:16
this word or with cats who02:41:18
there are no brains, well, you know, there are cattle there with02:41:21
with brains, yes, but there are animals without brains, well02:41:24
so to speak02:41:26
That's when they02:41:29
come move on to practical02:41:31
implementation here I have02:41:32
understanding that this beast is probably02:41:35
I'm mad and I need her somehow02:41:39
try to isolate Well, even inside02:41:43
Israel Mikhail Borisovich there are people02:41:44
which naturally in no case02:41:46
they deny the horror of October 7 But they talk about02:41:49
that well, carpet bombing when there02:41:52
there are also children, this is not the most correct02:41:56
answer But at that time when people02:42:00
they say that02:42:02
are there any more effective ways02:42:06
which help save the lives of civilians02:42:10
people in the gas sector when people02:42:14
criticize their02:42:16
because they didn't finish something so that02:42:19
save the lives of people in the Gaza Strip I02:42:22
I mean peaceful people, I'm very02:42:26
hello I think anyone is normal02:42:28
this kind of person is very welcome02:42:30
conversations moreover knowing your friends02:42:33
who live in Israel I absolutely02:42:36
I am convinced that for them these are passing02:42:44
Maybe it’s that they are now in the heat of war02:42:48
they utter various terrible words but02:42:51
less tomorrow when this sun ends out02:42:54
Israel will send aid to the Gaza Strip02:42:57
Israel will undertake reconstruction02:42:59
Israel will have housing for these people02:43:02
help Palestinian children02:43:05
so to speak, restore Normal02:43:08
live in02:43:10
in general in this02:43:14
sno02:43:16
people, but I’ll emphasize once again that02:43:18
criticize the generals if it is clear that they02:43:21
as if they act02:43:23
ineffective and cause more damage02:43:27
civilians than they could02:43:29
apply it absolutely correctly02:43:31
need to02:43:33
do responsibility in this sense02:43:36
residents of the Gas Strip and responsibility02:43:39
Russians02:43:44
the same Unfortunately, well02:43:47
probably difficult02:43:50
It is difficult to draw direct analogies, but02:43:53
Of course, some analogies arise02:43:56
And to the deep02:43:58
unfortunately we02:44:02
seeing today02:44:05
bombings in Belgorod or Kursk Yes, well02:44:09
these were the blows there02:44:13
drones we say yes Ukraine02:44:16
should try to hit only the military02:44:20
objects Well, we say the same thing in02:44:22
regarding Israel in the Gaza Strip that02:44:25
Guys you have to try02:44:30
reduce as much as possible02:44:33
number of civilian casualties02:44:36
population But to say that Ukrainians are not02:44:40
have the right to defend themselves in this way Well02:44:43
probably being able to have a sober memory02:44:46
impossible and Yes, you understand that02:44:49
if you lived there or your relatives02:44:51
they lived there, then you could fly too02:44:55
Well, how about it?02:44:58
yes you are in the country02:45:01
which started the war and continues02:45:05
war against a neighboring country Well, I see02:45:08
That they will defend you and it’s clear that02:45:11
if you are in this area02:45:12
It may fly to you. But if you don’t02:45:16
you and I, the aircraft can still arrive, but02:45:18
just not in the form of a shell or rocket02:45:22
and seeing that you are Russian02:45:25
passport Russian citizenship is today02:45:29
big deal even for such a person02:45:33
like me or you yes Whose anti-war position02:45:37
widely known. And if you sewed02:45:44
some02:45:45
it would be worse if we have at least02:45:49
probably one of them remembers And here we are02:45:51
we remember that even though you are Russian, you are the one who02:45:54
say actively against war This is of course02:45:58
how to say this This is just like in02:46:01
your first question in the first topic is not02:46:04
okay, but02:46:14
fair02:46:16
that when the sun happened, well, we didn’t02:46:18
heard the call of all Palestinians02:46:20
punish block the couple everyone02:46:23
Palestinians should not accept their passports as02:46:25
it so happened that I was Russian02:46:30
worse Well because02:46:32
that we, first of all, this didn’t happen right away02:46:37
If we02:46:39
Let's remember right away this didn't happen02:46:42
after all it started with02:46:46
from six months02:46:48
in02:46:50
at first it was impossible to open it02:46:54
in the first month, listen always counting02:46:57
it wasn't like that02:47:01
open02:47:03
Russians02:47:05
yes In this case we cannot02:47:08
say02:47:13
that ha is a warring state all02:47:18
understand perfectly well what is here02:47:20
terrorist organization Hamas Yes02:47:23
she got power there02:47:26
in the gas sector but nevertheless its people02:47:30
still separated from the population of the Sector02:47:32
Gaza Well, that's fair actually02:47:36
Mikha Bori I can go straight inside ROSI02:47:41
I'll be back not long ago02:47:43
saw02:47:45
then we saw how virtually whole02:47:47
region02:47:49
they make you apologize to02:47:51
as a fifteen year old I say this02:47:53
about the son of Ramzan Kadyrov and Tatarstan02:47:56
Accordingly, I don’t know if it’s possible to put02:47:58
Now Dagestan is on par with everything02:47:59
this happening but I remember a year ago02:48:02
Maxim can correct me here approximately02:48:04
you were on our air and we said that02:48:06
there are discussions about the collapse02:48:09
Russia You said that you have such discussions02:48:11
you consider harmful and not useful02:48:13
still think so Yes of course I do02:48:15
I still think discussions about collapse02:48:18
Russia harmful and not useful And in two ways02:48:23
reasons the first reason is because it02:48:26
still not true today02:48:29
still as I said then and how02:48:32
it's written in my book How to Kill02:48:34
dragon that Russia is still tending02:48:37
to break off at the edges and02:48:40
The North Caucasus is still a raid on02:48:43
edges has the same situation regarding02:48:48
collapse Well, here's the root what is called02:48:50
Russian This is a question of terminology but you02:48:53
agree that these processes show02:48:55
that some02:48:59
breaks off, that is, bankruptcy02:49:03
ideological bankruptcy of the federal02:49:06
center which02:49:13
got involved, starting to think about what is needed02:49:16
do they need such a federal02:49:19
center This is absolutely accurate and if this02:49:24
this discussion will gain02:49:27
inertia, then in this situation it is clear that02:49:31
As long as there is a dictatorship in the country, there is nothing02:49:34
will happen But when in the country02:49:37
Democracy will emerge at this moment02:49:39
accumulated02:49:41
inertia it can tear the country apart and this02:49:46
this is a big problem with that inheritance02:49:48
which Putin will leave is another thing02:49:51
until I02:49:53
I see that this inertia has been gained, so I’m doing this02:49:56
I haven’t seen it yet today02:50:00
but I am firmly convinced that if Putin02:50:03
will still be in power02:50:05
10 God forbid in 15 years this will end02:50:10
precisely the collapse of the country But 5 years02:50:15
the risks are significant02:50:17
the risks of the country's collapse will increase today02:50:20
V02:50:21
There is no such thing as regime change02:50:25
there are some risks, break it off02:50:27
edges, that is, some Kadyrov02:50:29
received I generally read sometimes02:50:32
so to speak, what is happening in my native02:50:34
country What decisions does the Kremlin make in02:50:37
I have a feeling, so to speak, that I have02:50:39
dealing with violently insane people Yes, they took it02:50:42
handed over02:50:43
weapons02:50:45
Well, who would be next? Yes02:50:49
It’s as if they don’t remember Kadyrov. Why02:50:51
The ninety-first year began like this02:50:54
as if they don’t remember that ninety-first02:50:57
year history with Chechnya then with Chechen02:51:00
it began with the war of ninety-three02:51:03
exactly because the warehouses were left with02:51:05
weapons remained on the territory02:51:07
Chechnya and there is no need to say that it is there02:51:10
not much transmitted not much transmitted02:51:13
weapons from regiment to division I'm sure02:51:15
I don’t know Naturally how much but this02:51:18
quite enough for there02:51:20
legal training has begun for Kadyrovsky02:51:24
bandits treated by modern military02:51:27
enough equipment has been transferred there for02:51:30
in order to02:51:31
then, taking into account the fact that Putin This one02:51:34
here is the Tribute from n to 10 billion dollars each02:51:38
gives Kadyrov a year, so to speak02:51:40
And so that, taking into account the corruption that02:51:44
today there is And against the backdrop of hostilities02:51:48
there was more than one launcher there02:51:50
installation a 10 not one02:51:54
psh pvsh system and 10 of these pvsh nah02:51:58
systems in general. Unfortunately,02:52:00
what the Kremlin is doing is pushing02:52:03
naturally02:52:05
firstly Northern02:52:08
Caucasus to02:52:13
give a [ __ ] to these bandits02:52:15
territories territories because in02:52:18
case of regime change Well, same Kadyrov02:52:20
understands that in general he has prospects02:52:22
not very good and of course he will02:52:24
try to maintain A's power over one's own02:52:29
territories to seize other people's A and with what02:52:32
it will all end In general, for me there is no time02:52:35
the end is obvious Well because I don't02:52:37
I am a specialist in Northern02:52:39
Caucasus But I have a lot of mine02:52:42
guys I know who are from there02:52:45
with whom I am currently working and a lot02:52:47
they really tell me what's in there02:52:49
general porridge Maybe02:52:52
it will brew quite scary, but in this02:52:56
I mean, what happened in Dagestan02:52:58
many draw parallels with Prigozhin’s02:53:01
rebellion Excuse me this is scary02:53:04
cynical question but02:53:06
incidents like this are beneficial02:53:09
opposition02:53:13
A02:53:15
you know what02:53:18
there is a case Well, there are different types of opposition02:53:23
certain types of opposition who say Well02:53:26
okay, let it be Bolshevik02:53:28
coup Let it be necessary later02:53:31
direct02:53:36
order with fire and sword, well, the main thing is that02:53:41
the main thing is that we get the main thing is that we02:53:45
we get power and in general this this this02:53:50
it's good for us it suits us well02:53:54
there is another type of opposition which02:53:58
which I consider myself to be who says02:54:01
that the main thing is not to Kill the dragon Kill02:54:04
dragon in general is actually not like that02:54:07
difficult Yes, he will die soon, the main thing is02:54:11
it's not to become a dragon yourself because02:54:14
then it will go to a new Circle of Blood02:54:17
by a lot02:54:19
decades and then we02:54:21
look at what steps lead to02:54:25
the next stage a dragon arose and what02:54:29
steps Lead to the next02:54:31
stage is still about to change this regime02:54:34
democratization came and from this point02:54:37
vision02:54:38
any ethnic conflicts02:54:41
moved to such a plane02:54:43
pogroms02:54:44
They02:54:46
naturally no democracy after02:54:49
this regime is not carried out from this point either02:54:51
From the point of view they are not beneficial to the opposition. But this is02:54:55
there is me, for example, communicating with these02:54:58
wonderful guys who pass02:55:01
now Under such a little funny02:55:03
attitude towards the Russian label In my opinion02:55:06
funny as02:55:13
declos02:55:14
taco funny translation02:55:17
themselves as completely different practitioners02:55:22
There are quite sane people among them02:55:25
who say02:55:27
about the need to preserve languages02:55:31
need to preserve02:55:33
culture02:55:34
and I think that this is a discourse in this02:55:38
parts absolutely02:55:40
correct and here you go02:55:43
Amy02:55:45
maybe with those people who say We02:55:48
just wait until Putin weakens and we02:55:51
here are all the Russians, well, so to speak, they02:55:55
They don’t call everyone Russian at all02:55:57
indigenous nationalities at home02:55:59
territories02:56:05
will cut them02:56:09
will cut02:56:14
I'm probably translating a little now into02:56:20
a more understandable plane of the word that we02:56:23
let's take a vote02:56:25
but at the same time we will not allow voting02:56:28
no one except indigenous people02:56:31
peoples Who is indigenous and who is not indigenous02:56:34
We'll probably measure the skulls, well, because02:56:36
that there is someone there who is a quarter native02:56:40
some are half, some are 1/802:56:42
we will measure the skulls, but apparently02:56:45
it is implied that the remaining 70 will be02:56:49
remain silent and then calmly give up their02:56:52
property and dump it somewhere02:56:55
horizon Well no, I'll be honest then02:56:58
I tell you to immediately think for them and then02:57:01
there we will cut them, it’s called either02:57:04
they will run away leaving their property or we02:57:07
will cut them off. Well, what can I say to that?02:57:13
try it, I admit it’s been about 20 minutes now02:57:17
I can’t get rid of this rhyme02:57:19
suddenly arose you told about02:57:22
gateways And who should be beaten if it’s you02:57:25
attack and this has something in common with02:57:28
in the words of Putin and his lessons in St. Petersburg02:57:31
gateway what if a fight is inevitable Bey02:57:33
first in this02:57:36
sense, you somehow either stylistically02:57:40
whether here02:57:43
ideological what in this case02:57:46
amazing here we have02:57:49
everyone02:57:50
there is a very clear experience and Putin has it02:57:54
I have it too02:57:57
there are our children fortunately02:58:01
less and then the whole difference is ours02:58:04
is as follows02:58:07
I don't think this experience was good and I think02:58:12
as much as possible02:58:15
necessary from this experience Well, sort of02:58:18
protect the future Yes, but Putin considers it02:58:22
good02:58:26
suit his purposes the shortest02:58:29
by Well, or even achieve these02:58:31
goals and he starts using it02:58:34
for example I think02:58:36
use of swear words, so to speak02:58:38
vocabulary on the screen is probably bad there02:58:41
I also sometimes break out, but I think02:58:44
that this is bad even though I02:58:47
not an official person but he being02:58:50
the president starts his presidency02:58:53
started Yes and I can’t say what he is02:58:55
I did it by accident but you know it happens02:58:57
burst out Yes man in this case02:58:59
specifically set the line of behavior02:59:03
in that02:59:04
I mean, that’s exactly the difference: Yes, we02:59:09
everyone came from the same gateway, but I02:59:12
I think that the next generation02:59:15
he shouldn’t live in the gateway and so he shouldn’t02:59:18
we need it there02:59:20
pushes the opposite way But further02:59:23
begins Well, do you want to remember about02:59:25
gateway Well, I'm ready to remember02:59:27
in the gateway, so to speak Quite myself02:59:30
ready to answer in language02:59:34
Isn’t it possible in the gateway?02:59:36
as soon as he moved the conversation to this phase he02:59:39
as if he won not by talking at all but02:59:41
interaction That is, as soon as we we02:59:44
we begin to respond with the same methods02:59:46
as if we were playing his game no not like that02:59:51
if you are meeting with02:59:53
bandits with gopniks then of course you02:59:56
you can try to talk to them02:59:58
get hit in the face with a high calm So03:00:02
say your girl will get punched in the face03:00:04
So to speak, you will be robbed there03:00:07
humiliation but you will feel ska that you03:00:11
didn’t stoop to their level, but you can, but03:00:17
fight to get down to their level03:00:19
show that they are good so to speak03:00:21
education also means combat skills03:00:25
arts and better than theirs and weapons03:00:31
you are better and you can fight no less03:00:34
cruelly, but then coming out of this03:00:38
gateways Yes, even slightly with03:00:40
splashed So to speak03:00:46
I have to tell myself, but now it’s like me03:00:48
told you about Israel and the Gaza Strip A03:00:51
now I'm a man again I got it03:00:55
a chance to be normal again03:00:57
man I called an ambulance because03:01:00
that these freaks are lying there but03:01:02
after all, they are people too Yes03:01:05
and you shouldn’t leave them without help Yes03:01:09
maybe they should be planted, but so03:01:10
tell them to die, don’t leave them there03:01:12
worth it Yes they left it at that03:01:17
difference Ira, will you add something on this03:01:21
about no no just I just I I just03:01:24
then I'll ask the last question because03:01:26
We have literally 1 minute left until03:01:28
end of broadcast Mikhail03:01:30
Borisovich we are completing yes By this03:01:34
ring composition twenty-fourth03:01:36
the year March twenty-four is03:01:39
the most important thing now03:01:46
To our deep regret, these points are now03:01:48
These are the tension points at which03:01:51
different serious things can happen03:01:54
there are many events but probably from the point03:01:58
view of such a planned practical03:02:01
work Yes today preparation for03:02:13
I just don't want to call elections03:02:16
because people mistakenly have03:02:18
the feeling that they are that these are elections03:02:20
which can be replaced by voting there03:02:23
power or something else like that I don't03:02:25
I want these illusions to be like this03:02:27
probably today from the point03:02:30
in terms of planned work, this is the most03:02:33
goal available to us03:02:36
although both you and I understand that in any03:02:39
moment may arise in the present03:02:42
the situation is something much more03:02:44
important Thank you very much it was Mikhail03:02:46
Let me remind Khodorkovsky that the transcript03:02:49
You can find this conversation on the Echo website03:02:52
fml if you have if you are in Russia you have03:02:55
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you can find a link to a fresh mirror03:03:01
spa Yes thank you plum va happy a03:03:04
Maxim Kornikova we say goodbye until tomorrow03:03:07
see you tomorrow I hope tomorrow we will be in03:03:09
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