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it was very difficult for us and here you need to
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understand one important thing that yes,
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firstly, for the early Middle Ages,
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writing adopted Christianity. This is
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almost the same thing, almost an equal sign,
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always the word is strictly together,
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and writing
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as an element of the adoption of religion
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was also an element of political domination This is
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not because someone wanted to
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teach someone to write.
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Not at all,
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and the actual adoption of Slavic
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writing and the creation of the
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Slavic alphabet in general is a little broader than the
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history of Russia itself, because with us
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the Slavic woman lived not only in Russia, as we
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understand this, and Slavic Poland and
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Bulgaria Slavyansk and Moravian principality
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the future of the Czech Republic are also all Slavs and for
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everyone. However, it turned out that
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we also have the Slavic alphabet later, so here
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the conversation goes somewhat beyond the boundaries of the
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chronology and geography of Russia itself and
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now the entire Slavic world falls
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somewhat wider. At the same time,
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when we talk about domination
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When we talk to you all
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the time, we have this phrase that
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I really like: if you don’t
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understand what we’re talking about, it’s most likely the
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guys quarreled over money
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and in general this is very correct, but here
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usually in the comments they immediately include
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lack of spirituality yes,
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simply because questions of spirituality for a
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medieval person are in no way
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torn by pragmatics because
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if you, especially for the early
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Middle Ages, I emphasize if you
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know how to squeeze little money
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and little land from your neighbors, then either your gods are not
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very good or you are somehow bad for them
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you pray and in general you are an undesirable person, but
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if on the contrary if you can loot
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a lot of obligatory land there to sell
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a lot of slaves, then everything is in perfect order with you and the gods.
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Quite obviously they are
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on your side, of course, and the
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adoption of Christianity along with the adoption of the
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actual Slavic alphabet was
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connected in the first place political
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issues, so let’s
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start with your permission, with
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political issues, so the
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geopolitical situation at that moment,
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yes yes, but geopolitical I always
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tell everyone that geopolitical it will be
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geopolitical only when our
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spaceships depict the vastness of
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space and there will be an astropolitical
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situation geopolitical situation while
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we are on earth we live in the whole political
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situation geo
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this is the Earth
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[music]
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the geopolitical situation at that time is
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like this we have two giant
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poles of power in Europe This is the Western
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Roman Empire and the Eastern and you exactly the
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Roman Empire the date of what this is
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tied to is the 9th century Of course everything The baptism of the
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Slavs began in the 9th century en masse,
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while the
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Eastern Roman Empire had from the
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real
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unified Roman Empire the
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direct
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extension of legitimacy. That is, they were
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there. This history was not interrupted, but in
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the west, as we know, it was interrupted. But by the
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ninth century, the
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kingdom of the Franks already existed, the actual Empire of Charlemagne
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by that time, they had
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somehow forgotten that they had
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some chronological gaps in the
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continuity of development and inheritance of the
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Imperial throne because for
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Western Roman people, such a
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thing as the fall of the Roman Empire, in
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principle, did not exist at all, and it
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doesn’t matter whether it was an Italian or you there was
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some
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telephone vandal who came to serve
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Rome at the same time, he robbed half of
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Italy. But at the same time, the Roman patricians considered themselves to be well done in all
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seriousness
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because the goal was for all
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these barbarians to come to Italy and become
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normal Roman patrician citizens there,
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so what’s like there? then the
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emperor was over
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And despite the fact that there was a wild
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mess there, collapse and so on, in the head of an earlier
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medieval person there was absolutely
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the concept that everything was okay,
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at one time you know, I was shocked about the
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milk uprising Well, since childhood, he
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always explains that these are the rebel slaves
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Freedom aspiration football club Yes,
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it turned out that they didn’t leave Italy anywhere,
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they reached the North and came
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back, and what about your native dugouts in
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Bulgaria, where you live every morning,
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you smear yourself with fresh bear [ __ ],
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you feel great in your homeland,
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it turns out, No, you don’t have to go anywhere
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here Rome baths beauty Oranges are growing
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and in general no one wanted to go anywhere in
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general, and smart people said that they
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actually wanted them. The main task was
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to get Roman citizenship, they ran away
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to their dugout, it’s interesting
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since then in the European Union it’s a tradition
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why they’re all talking about the Western
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Roman Empire is that Despite the fact
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that the Byzantine eastern part of the empire
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seems to be in
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modern language, but at the same time in the
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west
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there was the city of Rome where the vicar of the
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Holy Apostle Peter sat, the Pope of Rome,
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who was considered the senior Christian
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patriarch at that time, as at this time
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at this time has long
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existed, so to speak And there is that the so-
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called pentarchy, that is, 5 archons,
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this is the Patriarch of Rome, the
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Patriarch of Constantinople, the Patriarch of
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Alexandria, the Patriarch of Antioch and the
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Patriarch of Jerusalem who
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ruled over the entire space of the
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Christian Church on both sides of the
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Mediterranean Sea,
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it was all called the Western Patriarchate and the
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Eastern Patriarchate 4 pieces,
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while there was a hierarchy of exactly in the
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order in which I listed, sorry, I’ll
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interrupt again for the stupid, they were still
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united, it wasn’t divided there into
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Catholic,
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everything is called the Catholic Church, that
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is, universal, many don’t know, Catholic is
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universal, that’s what we’re
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called, that’s what we’re called with Catholics, actually
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Who doesn’t know we are Orthodox, they are
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Catholics, we are called absolutely the
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same
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then everything still existed, according to the
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precepts of Augustine the Blessed, who
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said that the dogmas of uniformity in
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rituals, diversity in the rest, love
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is there. The only thing that did not
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work out with love, and everything else took place
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because all the churches differed in one way or another
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in the ritual parts of this are sometimes also
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very strong, but in general this did
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not bother anyone until a certain point.
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But in the ninth century it began to
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worry very much because
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Constantinople,
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as the center of the Eastern Roman Empire and
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as the bearer of the
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Patriarchate of Constantinople itself,
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suddenly began to argue with the Pope
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about who in general, this was most importantly
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connected, of course, with the fact that it was in the
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ninth century
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in the eighth-ninth century, and especially in the 9th
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century, that the Western Roman Empire again
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gained strength, connected, of course, with the name of
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Charlemagne, who led expansion
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to the north and east, thus
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directly ending up
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on the borders of the Eastern Roman empire and
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clashed with it with interests,
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including church ones, therefore, as we
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understand, priests always came along with the armies,
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and the Byzantines, in the same way,
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priests always came along with the armies, and often the
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priests came first and then the armies came,
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which we had at that time Byzantium
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Byzantium In 843, the triumph of Orthodoxy took place. A
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holiday that is
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solemnly celebrated in the first week of
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Lent to this day, it was the
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iconoclasts who were defeated under the Empress Theodora, the
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comfortable and young emperors
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Michael 3, then he was only three years old. What did the
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iconoclasts do not
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want to draw? They said that
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worship of icons is worship of idols.
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Because that it is impossible to pray to the board so that,
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accordingly, the icon admirers are exactly
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the opposite, the struggle was long and cruel
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Let's be honest, this went far beyond the
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limits of the doctrinal field,
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this part of the
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Byzantine elite joined as the
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setters,
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meaning first of all that for
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specific economic and political
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interests and adopted
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dialogues for the set up the other, on the contrary, along with the
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cathedrals there were clashes on
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this issue, here is the final victory
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over the treaties, this is the year 843 they had there. At the
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cathedrals there were fights like in the Ukrainian Rada
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before, by the way, at one time when
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the truth was much earlier when they condemned the
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Arian
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heresy.
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Saint Nicholas the Wonderworker approached Arius
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and the scoundrel personally hit him in the face
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with his hand
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and that was the end of the Arian heresy
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or the Italian heresy flourished. There
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was such a people as the Goths.
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[music]
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was silent
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if we get distracted then
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it was very different, especially since the questions are not
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quite medieval antique at all
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at this time no one is elected as a metropolitan
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patriarch some Ignatius
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the monk he was very unlucky in his life during the
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previous reign during one of the
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uprisings he was emasculated After which he
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immediately became a very aesthetic way of
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life, for which the monks loved him very much
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because he didn’t get drunk there, he didn’t
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debauch, he didn’t really manage to
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do it after the insult, he became a holy
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man.
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And how did it happen? History
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is silent about what they grabbed him. How
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exactly did they grab him?
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I don’t know for sure, but
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this happened to him under Emperor
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Michael the First, Ragnar,
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much long before the events described, he
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was already, in general, not a
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young man at that time, as is now fashionable to
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say, and persecuted and depressed. Ignatiev
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directed some energy towards the development of piety,
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developed well in the end he became
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the patriarch and he was directly supported by the
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Pope
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on the one hand, it’s good because the
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Frankish troops on the one hand are
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actively developing the Slavic lands, the Byzantine
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troops at this time give a very strong
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rebuff to the Arabs, they go on
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a counter-offensive,
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they fight very successfully in the
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Arab territories themselves,
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everything was that would be great, but since I said
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that
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there was a conflict of interests,
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the emperor of Constantinople very
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quickly realized that having with him a
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protégé of the Pope or at
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least his friend whom he supports
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at his side is not very smart.
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More precisely, he understood this is not quite an
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emperor because Michael the third has
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in history, the nickname is the mythist, a drunkard,
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and Mythistofel is an alcoholic, Genistofel,
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I don’t know,
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but he had a mentor such as Uncle
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Varda, the brother of his mother Theodora. So in
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856, together with his nephew, they overthrew the
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co-ruler of Michael 3, Theodora, and
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put her in a monastery. 856 was
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actually Michael the Third Judging apparently he
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began to drink pleasure on Varda
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and began to rule on his behalf and apparently was a
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very good manager. Because
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we came and the military affairs developed quite
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successfully. And in particular,
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the University of Constantinople was organized, from
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which such a famous philosopher
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Leo the mathematician became, from whose school
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many worthy people came out, in particular
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he was such a very enlightened man
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who was repeatedly told this was the
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future Patriarch Photius, who was not a
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monk at all, he was, he had a brilliant
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bureaucratic career and at the same time was
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one of the most educated people of his
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time, he was fluent in rhetoric, he was a
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philosopher,
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he knew a lot about theology. Let's just
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say that the rest of philosophy was
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directly connected apparently from there came
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Constantine, the philosopher, the future
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Slavic Saint Cyril,
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that is, they apparently were well acquainted with the
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future patriarch, and so
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when
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the empress was overthrown, she supported the
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metropolitan patriarch Ignatius,
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Ignatius was forced to resign in
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his place in 6 days they brought a
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brilliant politician and a courtier
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philosopher to the Patriarchal throne and the scientist Photius, he just had to be
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carried from the bird to the archbishop in 6 days
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deftly and then appointed patriarch, such an
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operational combination because he
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was his own pro-Byzantine minded
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and brilliantly educated person, which is important
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for the patriarch, of course the time
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was completely delighted with this, that’s how it was
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they sent
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Byzantium legates with questions Dear,
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come to your senses, what's going on
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legates Who is this no no these were
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representatives of the Pope of Rome, naturally
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all monks and priests
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But what did they notice that I apologize
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before they did this before as they say
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it didn’t bother anyone and you have the same thing there
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time happens Also periodically again
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does not bother anyone and in the end
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Stop hosting the time of
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our Constantinople dissidents
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as in the famous humoresque and he answers me so
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politely in Moscow And what the
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hell is your father
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so these were the name of the legates Rudol you
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Zacharias they
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spent a long time in Constantinople dispute
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Or is it possible that even though he could be a patriarch, the photik
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of that time was already a patriarch for a long time in
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general for everyone who perfectly arranged On the
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spot but was assembled in
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859 861, two councils in a row. We, too,
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they once talked about a double
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council, the so-called where the photia of their
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Roman colleagues brilliantly defeated in the
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religious path, they apparently received
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good bribes at the same time and returned them
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very satisfied photos they said that
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Yes, after which Pope Nicholas Pope
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Nicholas immediately put them aside from the church
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[music]
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the pope was not at a loss. In 863, the
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Lateran Council was declared where the Western
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Roman the church anathematized the photia
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and what does this mean they received from the church to the
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patriarchs he can’t be at all, he does
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n’t even have the right to go to church anymore, he’s
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no longer a Christian he was excommunicated from
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the church cleverly as I already said
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during our last interview, although he was
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not at a loss, he gathered the council received from the
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church the Pope of Rome,
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this reminds me of the Venetians I dearly loved
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who were constantly excommunicated
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from the church And the rain said this our
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church obeys the dose we continue
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to listen
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here I must say supported
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Constantinople Eastern Patriarchate
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Junior that is, endiochia Jerusalem
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Alexandria and in general for a while
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the pope had nothing left do how to
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wipe yourself off Frankly speaking, at the same time,
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wipe yourself off, but
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the troops
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and diplomatic missions of the Western
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Roman Empire by that time were firmly
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based on the Western Slavic lands
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absolutely about

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